A Common Misconception About The Origin of Spygate – Political Surveillance In The Era of President Obama…

With the release of recent transcripts and the declassification of material from within the IG report on the Carter Page FISA, there is a common misconception about why the intelligence apparatus began investigating the Trump campaign.  In this outline we hope to provide some deep source material that will explain the origin, and specifically why the those inside the Intelligence Community began using Confidential Human Sources.

During the time-frame of December 2015 through April 2016 the NSA database was being exploited by contractors within the intelligence community doing unauthorized searches.

On March 9, 2016, oversight personnel doing a review of FBI system access were alerted to thousands of unauthorized search queries of specific U.S. persons within the NSA database.

NSA Director Mike Rogers was made aware.

Subsequently NSA Director Rogers initiated a full compliance review of the system to identify who was doing the searches; & what searches were being conducted.

On April 18, 2016, following the preliminary audit results, Director Rogers shut down all FBI contractor access to the database after he learned FISA-702 “about”(17) and “to/from”(16) search queries were being done without authorization.  Thus begins the first discovery of a much bigger background story.

When you compile the timeline with the people involved; and the specific wording of the resulting review, which was then delivered to the FISA court; and overlay the activity that was taking place in the GOP primary; what we discover is a process where the metadata collected by the NSA was being searched for political opposition research and surveillance.

Additionally, tens-of-thousands of searches were identified by the FISA court as likely extending much further than the compliance review period: “while the government reports it is unable to provide a reliable estimate of the non compliant queries since 2012, there is no apparent reason to believe the November 2015 [to] April 2016 period coincided with an unusually high error rate”.

In short, during the Obama administration the NSA database was continually used to conduct surveillance.  This is the critical point that leads to understanding the origin of “Spygate”, as it unfolded in the Spring and Summer of 2016.

It was the discovery of the database exploitation and the removal of access as a surveillance tool that created their initial problem.  Here’s how we can tell.

Initially in December 2015 there were 17 GOP candidates and all needed to be researched.

However, when Donald Trump won New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina the field was significantly whittled. Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich and Carson remained.

On Super Tuesday, March 2, 2016, Donald Trump won seven states (VT, AR, VA, GA, AL, TN, MA) it was then clear that Trump was the GOP frontrunner with momentum to become the presumptive nominee.  On March 5th, Trump won Kentucky and Louisiana; and on March 8th Trump won Michigan, Mississippi and Hawaii.

The next day, March 9th, NSA security alerts warned internal oversight personnel that something sketchy was going on.

This timing is not coincidental.  As FISA Judge Rosemary Collyer later wrote in her report, “many of these non-compliant queries involved the use of the same identifiers over different date ranges.”  Put another way: attributes belonging to a specific individual(s) were being targeted and queried, unlawfully.  Given what was later discovered, it seems obvious the primary search target, over multiple date ranges, was Donald Trump.

There were tens-of-thousands of unauthorized search queries; and as Judge Collyer stated in her report, there is no reason to believe the 85% non compliant rate was any different from the abuse of the NSA database going back to 2012.

As you will see below the NSA database was how political surveillance was being conducted during Obama’s second term in office.  However, when the system was flagged, and when NSA Director Mike Rogers shut down “contractor” access to the system, the system users needed to develop another way to get access.

Mike Rogers shuts down access on April 18, 2016.  On April 19, 2016, Fusion-GPS founder Glenn Simpson’s wife, Mary Jacoby visits the White House.  Immediately thereafter, the DNC and Clinton campaign contract Fusion GPS… who then hire Christopher Steele.

Knowing it was federal “contractors”, outside government with access to the system, doing the unauthorized searches, the question becomes: who were the contractors?

The possibilities are quite vast. Essentially anyone the FBI or intelligence apparatus was using could have participated.  Crowdstrike was a known FBI contractor; they were also contracted by the DNC.  Shawn Henry was the former head of the FBI office in DC and is now the head of Crowdstrike; a rather dubious contractor for the government and a politically connected data security and forensic company.  James Comey’s special friend Daniel Richman was an unpaid FBI “special employee” with security access to the database.  Nellie Ohr began working for Fusion-GPS on the Trump project in November 2015 and she was a CIA contractor; and it’s entirely likely Glenn Simpson or people within his Fusion-GPS network were also contractors for the intelligence community.

Remember the Sharyl Attkisson computer intrusions?  It’s all part of this same network; Attkisson even names Shawn Henry as a defendant in her ongoing lawsuit.

All of the aforementioned names, and so many more, held a political agenda in 2016.

It seems likely if the NSA flags were never triggered then the contracted system users would have continued exploiting the NSA database for political opposition research; which would then be funneled to the Clinton team.  However, once the unauthorized flags were triggered, the system users (including those inside the official intelligence apparatus) needed to find another back-door to continue… Again, the timing becomes transparent.

Immediately after NSA flags were raised March 9th; the same intelligence agencies began using confidential human sources (CHS’s) to run into the Trump campaign.  By activating intelligence assets like Joseph Mifsud and Stefan Halper the IC (CIA, FBI) and system users had now created an authorized way to continue the same political surveillance operations.

When Donald Trump hired Paul Manafort on March 28, 2016, it was a perfect scenario for those doing the surveillance.   Manafort was a known entity to the FBI and was previously under investigation.  Paul Manafort’s entry into the Trump orbit was perfect for Glenn Simpson to sell his prior research on Manafort as a Trump-Russia collusion script two weeks later.

The shift from “unauthorized exploitation of the NSA database” to legally authorized exploitation of the NSA database was now in place. This was how they continued the political surveillance. This is the confluence of events that originated “spygate”, or what officially blossomed into the FBI investigation known as “Crossfire Hurricane” on July 31.

If the NSA flags were never raised; and if Director Rogers had never initiated the compliance audit; and if the political contractors were never blocked from access to the database; they would never have needed to create a legal back-door, a justification to retain the surveillance.  The political operatives/contractors would have just continued the targeted metadata exploitation.

Once they created the surveillance door, Fusion-GPS was then needed to get the FBI known commodity of Chris Steele activated as a pipeline. Into that pipeline all system users pushed opposition research.  However, one mistake from the NSA database extraction during an “about” query shows up as a New Yorker named Michael Cohen in Prague.

That misinterpreted data from a FISA-702 “about query” is then piped to Steele and turns up inside the dossier; it was the wrong Michael Cohen. It wasn’t Trump’s lawyer, it was an art dealer from New York City with the same name; the same “identifier”.

A DEEP DIVE – How Did It Work?

Start by reviewing the established record from the 99-page FISC opinion rendered by Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer on April 26, 2017. Review the details within the FISC opinion.

I would strongly urge everyone to read the FISC report (full pdf below) because Judge Collyer outlines how the DOJ, which includes the FBI, had an “institutional lack of candor” in responses to the FISA court. In essence, the Obama administration was continually lying to the FISA court about their activity, and the rate of fourth amendment violations for illegal searches and seizures of U.S. persons’ private information for multiple years.

Unfortunately, due to intelligence terminology Judge Collyer’s brief and ruling is not an easy read for anyone unfamiliar with the FISA processes. That complexity also helps the media avoid discussing it; and as a result most Americans have no idea the scale and scope of the Obama-era surveillance issues. So we’ll try to break down the language.

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For the sake of brevity and common understanding CTH will highlight the most pertinent segments showing just how systemic and troublesome the unlawful electronic surveillance was.

Early in 2016 NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers was alerted of a significant uptick in FISA-702(17) “About” queries using the FBI/NSA database that holds all metadata records on every form of electronic communication.

The NSA compliance officer alerted Admiral Mike Rogers who then initiated a full compliance audit on/around March 9th, 2016, for the period of November 1st, 2015, through May 1st, 2016.

While the audit was ongoing, due to the severity of the results that were identified, Admiral Mike Rogers stopped anyone from using the 702(17) “about query” option, and went to the extraordinary step of blocking all FBI contractor access to the database on April 18, 2016 (keep these dates in mind).

Here are some significant segments:

The key takeaway from these first paragraphs is how the search query results were exported from the NSA database to users who were not authorized to see the material. The FBI contractors were conducting searches and then removing, or ‘exporting’, the results. Later on, the FBI said all of the exported material was deleted.

Searching the highly classified NSA database is essentially a function of filling out search boxes to identify the user-initiated search parameter and get a return on the search result.

♦ FISA-702(16) is a search of the system returning a U.S. person (“702”); and the “16” is a check box to initiate a search based on “To and From“. Example, if you put in a date and a phone number and check “16” as the search parameter the user will get the returns on everything “To and From” that identified phone number for the specific date. Calls, texts, contacts etc. Including results for the inbound and outbound contacts.

♦ FISA-702(17) is a search of the system returning a U.S. person (702); and the “17” is a check box to initiate a search based on everything “About” the search qualifier. Example, if you put a date and a phone number and check “17” as the search parameter the user will get the returns of everything about that phone. Calls, texts, contacts, geolocation (or gps results), account information, user, service provider etc. As a result, 702(17) can actually be used to locate where the phone (and user) was located on a specific date or sequentially over a specific period of time which is simply a matter of changing the date parameters.

And that’s just from a phone number.

Search an ip address “about” and read all data into that server; put in an email address and gain everything about that account. Or use the electronic address of a GPS enabled vehicle (about) and you can withdraw more electronic data and monitor in real time. Search a credit card number and get everything about the account including what was purchased, where, when, etc. Search a bank account number, get everything about transactions and electronic records etc. Just about anything and everything can be electronically searched; everything has an electronic ‘identifier’.

The search parameter is only limited by the originating field filled out. Names, places, numbers, addresses, etc. By using the “About” parameter there may be thousands or millions of returns. Imagine if you put “@realdonaldtrump” into the search parameter? You could extract all following accounts who interacted on Twitter, or Facebook etc. You are only limited by your imagination and the scale of the electronic connectivity.

As you can see below, on March 9th, 2016, internal auditors noted the FBI was sharing “raw FISA information, including but not limited to Section 702-acquired information”.

In plain English the raw search returns were being shared with unknown entities without any attempt to “minimize” or redact the results. The person(s) attached to the results were named and obvious. There was no effort to hide their identity or protect their 4th amendment rights of privacy; and database access was from the FBI network:

But what’s the scale here? This is where the story really lies.

Read this next excerpt carefully.

The operators were searching “U.S Persons”. The review of November 1, 2015, to May 1, 2016, showed “eighty-five percent of those queries” were unlawful or “non compliant”.

85% !! “representing [redacted number]”.

We can tell from the space of the redaction the number of searches were between 10,000 and 99,999 [six digits]. If we take the middle number of 50,000 – a non compliant rate of 85 percent means 42,500 unlawful searches out of 50,000.

The [six digit] amount (more than 10,000, less than 99,999), and 85% error rate, was captured in a six month period, November 2015 to April 2016.

Also notice this very important quote: “many of these non-compliant queries involved the use of the same identifiers over different date ranges.” This tells us the system users were searching the same phone number, email address, electronic identifier, repeatedly over different dates.

Specific person(s) were being tracked/monitored.

Additionally, notice the last quote: “while the government reports it is unable to provide a reliable estimate of” these non lawful searches “since 2012, there is no apparent reason to believe the November 2015 [to] April 2016 coincided with an unusually high error rate”.

That means the 85% unlawful FISA-702(16)(17) database abuse has likely been happening since 2012.

2012 is an important date in this database abuse because a network of specific interests is assembled that also shows up in 2016/2017:

  • Who was 2012 FBI Director? Robert Mueller, who was selected by the FBI group to become special prosecutor in 2017.
  • Who was Mueller’ chief-of-staff? Aaron Zebley, who became one of the lead lawyers on the Mueller special counsel.
  • Who was 2012 CIA Director? John Brennan (remember the ouster of Gen Petraeus)
  • Who was ODNI? James Clapper.
  • Remember, the NSA is inside the Pentagon (Defense Dept) command structure. Who was Defense Secretary? Ash Carter

Who wanted NSA Director Mike Rogers fired in 2016? Brennan, Clapper and Carter.

And finally, who wrote and signed-off-on the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment and then lied about the use of the Steele Dossier? The same John Brennan, and James Clapper along with James Comey.

Tens of thousands of searches over four years (since 2012), and 85% of them are illegal. The results were extracted for?…. (I believe this is all political opposition use; and I’ll explain why momentarily.)

OK, that’s the stunning scale; but who was involved?

Private contractors with access to “raw FISA information that went well beyond what was necessary to respond to FBI’s requests“:

And as noted, the contractor access was finally halted on April 18th, 2016.

[Coincidentally (or likely not), the wife of Fusion-GPS founder Glenn Simpson, Mary Jacoby, goes to the White House the very next day on April 19th, 2016.]

None of this is conspiracy theory.

All of this is laid out inside this 99-page opinion from FISC Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer who also noted that none of this FISA abuse was accidental in a footnote on page 87: “deliberate decisionmaking“:

This specific footnote, if declassified, could be a key. Note the phrase: “([redacted] access to FBI systems was the subject of an interagency memorandum of understanding entered into [redacted])”, this sentence has the potential to expose an internal decision; withheld from congress and the FISA court by the Obama administration; that outlines a process for access and distribution of surveillance data.

Note: “no notice of this practice was given to the FISC until 2016“, that is important.

Summary: The FISA court identified and quantified tens-of-thousands of search queries of the NSA/FBI database using the FISA-702(16)(17) system. The database was repeatedly used by persons with contractor access who unlawfully searched and extracted the raw results without redacting the information and shared it with an unknown number of entities.

The outlined process certainly points toward a political spying and surveillance operation; and we are not the only one to think that’s what this system is being used for.

Back in 2017 when House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes was working to reauthorize the FISA legislation, Nunes wrote a letter to ODNI Dan Coats about this specific issue:

SIDEBAR: To solve the issue, well, actually attempt to ensure it never happened again, NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers eventually took away the “About” query option permanently in 2017. NSA Director Rogers said the abuse was so inherent there was no way to stop it except to remove the process completely. [SEE HERE] Additionally, the NSA database operates as a function of the Pentagon, so the Trump administration went one step further. On his last day as NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers -together with ODNI Dan Coats- put U.S. cyber-command, the database steward, fully into the U.S. military as a full combatant command. [SEE HERE] Unfortunately it didn’t work as shown by the 2018 FISC opinion rendered by FISC Judge James Boasberg [SEE HERE]

There is little doubt the FISA-702(16)(17) database system was used by Obama-era officials, from 2012 through April 2016, as a way to spy on their political opposition.

Quite simply there is no other intellectually honest explanation for the scale and volume of database abuse that was taking place; and keep in mind these searches were all ruled to be unlawful. Searches for repeated persons over a period time that were not authorized.

When we reconcile what was taking place and who was involved, then the actions of the exact same principle participants take on a jaw-dropping amount of clarity.

All of the action taken by CIA Director Brennan, FBI Director Comey, ODNI Clapper and Defense Secretary Ashton Carter make sense. Including their effort to get NSA Director Mike Rogers fired.

Everything after March 9th, 2016, had a dual purpose: (1) done to cover up the weaponization of the FISA database. [Explained Here] Spygate, Russia-Gate, the Steele Dossier, and even the 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (drawn from the dossier and signed by the above) were needed to create a cover-story and protect themselves from discovery of this four year weaponization, political surveillance and unlawful spying. Even the appointment of Robert Mueller as special counsel makes sense; he was FBI Director when this began. And (2) they needed to keep the surveillance going.

The beginning decision to use FISA(702) as a domestic surveillance and political spy mechanism appears to have started in/around 2012. Perhaps sometime shortly before the 2012 presidential election and before John Brennan left the White House and moved to CIA. However, there was an earlier version of data assembly that preceded this effort.

Political spying 1.0 was actually the weaponization of the IRS. This is where the term “Secret Research Project” originated as a description from the Obama team. It involved the U.S. Department of Justice under Eric Holder and the FBI under Robert Mueller. It never made sense why Eric Holder requested over 1 million tax records via CD ROM, until overlaying the timeline of the FISA abuse:

The IRS sent the FBI “21 disks constituting a 1.1 million page database of information from 501(c)(4) tax exempt organizations, to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.” The transaction occurred in October 2010 (link)

Why disks? Why send a stack of DISKS to the DOJ and FBI when there’s a pre-existing financial crimes unit within the IRS. All of the evidence within this sketchy operation came directly to the surface in early spring 2012.

The IRS scandal was never really about the IRS, it was always about the DOJ asking the IRS for the database of information. That is why it was transparently a conflict when the same DOJ was tasked with investigating the DOJ/IRS scandal. Additionally, Obama sent his chief-of-staff Jack Lew to become Treasury Secretary; effectively placing an ally to oversee/cover-up any issues. As Treasury Secretary Lew did just that.

Lesson Learned – It would appear the Obama administration learned a lesson from attempting to gather a large opposition research database operation inside a functioning organization large enough to have some good people that might blow the whistle.

The timeline reflects a few months after realizing the “Secret Research Project” was now worthless (June 2012), they focused more deliberately on a smaller network within the intelligence apparatus and began weaponizing the FBI/NSA database. If our hunch is correct, that is what will be visible in footnote #69:

How this all comes together in 2019/2020

Fusion GPS was not hired in April 2016 to research Donald Trump. As shown in the evidence provided by the FISC, the intelligence community was already doing surveillance and spy operations. The Obama administration already knew everything about the Trump campaign, and were monitoring everything by exploiting the FISA database.

However, after the NSA alerts in/around March 9th, 2016, and particularly after the April 18th shutdown of contractor access, the Obama intelligence community needed Fusion GPS to create a legal albeit ex post facto justification for the pre-existing surveillance and spy operations. Fusion GPS gave them that justification in the Steele Dossier.

That’s why the FBI small group, which later transitioned into the Mueller team, were so strongly committed to and defending the formation of the Steele Dossier and its dubious content.

The Steele Dossier, an outcome of the Fusion contract, contains two purposes: (1) the cover-story and justification for the pre-existing surveillance operation (protect Obama); and (2) facilitate the FBI counterintelligence operation against the Trump campaign (assist Clinton).

An insurance policy would be needed. The Steele Dossier becomes the investigative virus the FBI wanted inside the system. To get the virus into official status, they used the FISA application as the delivery method and injected it into Carter Page. The FBI already knew Carter Page; essentially Carter Page was irrelevant, what they needed was the FISA warrant and the Dossier in the system {Go Deep}.

The Obama intelligence community needed Fusion GPS to give them a plausible justification for already existing surveillance and spy operations. Fusion-GPS gave them that justification and evidence for a FISA warrant with the Steele Dossier.

Ultimately that’s why the Steele Dossier was so important; without it, the FBI would not have a tool that Mueller needed to continue the investigation of President Trump.  In essence by renewing the FISA application, despite them knowing the underlying dossier was junk, the FBI was keeping the surveillance gateway open for Team Mueller to exploit later on.

Additionally, without the Steele Dossier the DOJ and FBI are naked with their FISA-702 abuse as outlined by John Ratcliffe.

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Thankfully we know U.S. Attorney John Durham has talked to NSA Director Mike Rogers.  In this video Rogers explains how he was notified of what was happening and what he did after the notification.

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499 Responses to A Common Misconception About The Origin of Spygate – Political Surveillance In The Era of President Obama…

  1. Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

    Tend to believe that the Russian government never actually had anything to do with the 2016 Election. The entirety of the Steele Dossier was a fabrication of some Clinton Campaign mudslingers. The Russian Interference hoax was a tinman tale which produced an antagonist that didn’t really exist. It was designed to give the Clintonistas a reason to nullify the election should Donald Trump somehow manage to win that November. To this day the democrats and their crooked media would have us fear a weak, rebuilding nation, the Russian Federation, with a GDP about the size of California; all the while they ignore a real Axis of Evil threat which is China/NorthKorea/Iran.

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    • Rj says:

      Project mockingbird has been running for decades and the Russian BS is part of it.

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    • Jederman says:

      An alternate version of the “axis of evil,” IMO, is China/NorthKorea/Iran/DNC/MSM.

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      • whoseyore says:

        You forgot Hollywood, Central Bank, and Republican Elites. Essentially the Deep State.

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        • Dutchman says:

          “Republican Elites” is a KEY addition that I believe many fail to include in their calculations.

          Firstly, WHY would we assume that these Contractors, conducting illegal and unauthorised search queries, were ONLY working for Democrats and Obama?

          Such an operation would inevitably have come to the attention of the Republicans, if only by them noticing the results of the Dems having such a resource.

          Candidate Donald Trump represented an existential threat to the,Republican party leadership (RNC) every bit as much as Bernie Sanders does, to the Democrat party.

          We see the Republican party TRIED, very hard to undermine his campaign during the primaries, with many of the same techniques the Dems used against Bernie, such as a large group of contenders (splitter strategy).

          Remember back, just how hard the Republican party tried to RESIST DJT?
          How they bristled when he question the legacy of Bush, and the decision to go into ME?

          And yet, unlike the Dems with Bernie, the Repubs stopped short of using ALL the resources they COULD have used, to stop DJT. Any who are familiar with how the,Republican party undermined Ron Pauls 2012 primary campaign against Romney, know that the Republicans stopped short of going “all in” to stop the Trump campaign.

          Granted, one argument is that Bernie ‘sold out’ to the DNC, and Donald Trump refused to be bought.

          There is, however another POSSIBLE explanation; that the “Republican” party was AWARE,of, and ALSO exploiting this unauthorised and illegal access to the NSA database since 2012.

          That the “Republican” party leadership, and the Democrat party leadership, BOTH saw Donald Trump as an existential threat, and were working together to ‘take him out’.

          To support this, we have McCain playing a role in getting the steele dossier into the FBI.

          And, we go back to the,OBAMA admin using the IRS to illegally target the Tea party groups.

          WHY? The Tea party groups were NOT an immediate, existential threat to the Obama admin or the Democrat party.

          Actually, they were just the OPPOSITE, if anything. The Tea party’s openly stated goal was to target Republican leadership for “primarying”; attempting to ‘take them out’ in the primary, which means in the general the Democrat challenger would NOT be going up against an incumbent, increasing the odds of a Democrat win.

          And, even if the Tea party candidate won, they would be going into Congress as a ‘freshmen’, having unseated an experienced ranking member.

          Point being, Obama really had no compelling reason to ‘kneecap’ the,Tea parties, before they could really become active, and actually every reason to EXPEDITE their formation, in order to cause problems for,Republicans.

          But as we know, THATS NOT WHAT HAPPENED. Instead, McCain requested the Obama admin to use the IRS to stall the applications of the Tea party groups, while the Republicans then infiltrated and ultimately performed the coup de grace.

          Such a “enemy of my enemy is my friend” co-ordination, is not the ONLY time we see the Uniparty reveal itself.

          I think the,Reason the Republican party held off on going as far,as they could have, to prevent DJT from winning the nomination, and the Presidency, is because they had an “Insurance policy”.

          And, just as detailed in the infamous text message, I think the,REPUBLICANS thought; “First of all, there is NO WAY he will beat Hillary. BUT, if he does, we have an “Insurance Policy”.

          In support of this, we see Republican Congressional leadership sending clear signals, by action and inaction, that they DO NOT WANT ACCOUNTABILITY for the coup. WHY?

          “Politically”, it would be to their benefit to do everything they could, to expose the biggest political scandal in American history, and lay it at the feet, or hang it around the neck of the Obama admin and by association Democrats. Had the Congressional Republican LEADERSHIP aggressively pursued Oversight investigations, in both Houses of Congress (which for first two years of PDJT’s first term the CONTROLLED) they could have exposed the whole coup.

          This would have resulted in a,Republican landslide in 2018, as the American public would have turned from Democrats.

          And yet we see just the opposite.
          By actions (such as allowing the bogus ethics investigation of Nunes to proceed), by refusing to excercise the Houses power to go to court, by Ryan announcing his lame duck status, by Senate Judiciary sitting on its hands, by Senate dictating PDJT’s appointments and blocking recess appointments, … and on and on what we see is Republican Congressional leadership doing A) everything they can to block or blunt PDJT’s MAGA agenda B) even pore to the point, doing everything they can to block ANY efforts to hold the coup small group accountable.

          They are NOT the “Party of stupid”, nor can their conduct be explained away on the basis of being ‘lazy’, ‘minnesota nice, go along to get along’, or even as being merely greed.

          They are COMPLIT, IMHO in the initiation of the coup attempt, and when it comes to policy, they now occupy the position Congressional Democrats occupied 10 years ago.

          That of SAYING they are; for a wall, for abortion restrictions, etc. while actually supporting the same Globalist elitist agenda as their Democrat partners.

          Similar to the difference between Bernies positions, vs the positions of his primary opponents (Distinction without a Difference) the ACTUAL difference between the Republican Congressional leadership and the Democrats is likewise a Distinction without a,Difference.

          Both faces of the Uniparty have been corrupted by China, as has everything from the WHO to the Boy Scouts, the Multinational corporate boardrooms, to the hierarchy of most churches, the MSM and Hollywood, etc.

          The Republican party has “never missed an opportunity, no miss an opportunity” to politically capitalise on the many scandals of the Obama admin (Fast/Furious, IRS/Tea party, Benghazi) and of the biggest political scandal in our history (the coup).

          This CAN NOT be explained away by ineptitude, or any other lame excuse.

          There can only be ONE explanation, IMHO; The Congressional Republican Party leadership were COMPLICIT, if not the driving force behind the 702 queries into the Trump campaign, and the efforts to ‘muh Russia’ during the campaign.

          To me, its the only logical, occams razor explanation.

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          • Norma Jean says:

            The Tea Party emerged from the floor of the Chicago commodity pits. Rick Santelli unleashed a torrent of criticism against this scheme of Government promoting bad behavior subsidizing losers’ mortgages. His question was, ” How many of you people want to pay for your neighbor’s mortgage? President Obama, are you listening? How about we all stop paying our mortgages! It’s a moral hazard.”

            All this took place on the air, to the cheers of fellow traders. Santelli called for a new Tea Party in support of capitalism and against socialism. That is what took off like wildfilre across America. Some of us, especially from the Chicago area knew about Obama’s loyalty to Socialist Party of America. While not overtly so, Democratic Socialists of America is essentially a Marxist organization. Barack Obama belonged to the radical socialist “New Party” in Chicago, formed by members of the DSA, an offshoot of the CPUSA. Obama’s mentor was Saul Alinsky, a very radical socialist who believed deceiving people was necessary to achieve a state where the government controlled everyone and everything. Remember: “If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it.” Hence the collectivism. That is what originally started the Tea Party. It was a fight to preserve America.

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          • William the Comptroller says:

            You were probably like me at being livid that almost immediately after Pres. Trump won, he publicly told the country he would NOT go after Hillary’s crimes as “she had suffered enough “. Of course, as expected, Hillary did not get the hint to recede from the public eye and shut her big yapper and kept piling on Trump. Then it took too long for Trump that he should have never gone soft on that Snake. Of course Paul Ryan, would have never let a trial start even though Hillary had so much evidence against her she should have sentenced by July 2017. (And meanwhile Lois Lerner is sitting huge pension. It’s sad we can’t convict someone from the most-hated government agency for obvious corruption !!)

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            • Dutchman says:

              My Dear, departed Dad used to say “Listen to what I MEAN, not what I SAY, DAMMIT!”

              I think we have to apply that to DJT, along with a little logic.
              Did he REALLY think Hillary and the Dems were going to “let it go”, and work WITH him, for the common good?
              He probably figured it was worth a shot, and when they rebuff his outstretched hand, it makes HIM look magnaminous, and THEM look petty by comparison.

              “Compare and Contrast” is something that,is hard wired into our brains, its one of the ways we try to make sense of a complex world.

              Point is, you don’t always have to point it out in words, peoples minds will naturally go that way.

              And, it actually cost him NOTHING to say that.

              Yes, and we can’t convict because of Republicans, far more than because of Democrats.
              We need to turn the Republicon party back into the RepubliCAN party.

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          • 4sure says:

            WOW!!! You hit a walk off homerun!! You nailed it!

            We have one party! As SD so aptly named it the uniparty. We will never get rid of it at the ballot box.

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            • Dutchman says:

              Or, the ONLY way we will get rid of it, is at the ballot box. But, it requires a majority of American voters to WAKE UP to what is really going on, first.
              To understand the myriad ways the Uniparty operates, to “game” the system, in order to stay in power.

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              • whoseyore says:

                Some of you patriotic Tree Dwellers need to run for office!

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                • Dutchman says:

                  First, we need to ‘spread the word’, to direct interested deplorables to this site, in order to edumacate.
                  Then, we need to be motivated to get off our *sses, to attend Republican party meetings.

                  Go in as an insurgent, leave your MAGA hat at home. Your goal isn’t to initially comunicate YOUR views, so they will be reflected back to you, your goal is to find out the OTHERS view.

                  Ask OPEN ENDED QUESTIONS i.e. can’t be answered “yes” or “no”.
                  “How do YOU feel about,..
                  Lindsey Graham
                  Mitch McConnell
                  Renewing Fisa
                  Trade with China
                  the Wall

                  Again, nuetral face, body expression, tone of voice, and listen to their answers, closely.

                  Sit back and watch, to learn who’s who, and are their factions.
                  Lurk, for awhile while you reconoiter.
                  94% or Republican VOTERS support PDJT.
                  The same can NOT be said, of Republican party officials, at the local, county and State level.
                  But we OUTNUMBER them, …AND they are ELECTED, by the membership WHO ATTEND, to their positions.

                  Decisions are made, by those who show up.
                  Republican party officials in your State, decide whether OR NOT they will have Trump 2020 yard signs, bumper stickers, etc.
                  They play a major role in detirmining WHO runs for local, county and State positions.
                  They detirmine WHO are the delegates, to go to the National Convention.
                  And all the corruption, is NOT confined to Congress.
                  To clean up the Republican party, we need to “grassroots” it, starting at the LOCAL precinct level, and working up.

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                • whoseyore says:

                  Excellent!

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          • Rhi says:

            With you 100% Dutchman in your scathing rebuke of the republicCONS as being COMPLICIT! We could list multiple examples (miss Lindsey, Mitch rino Ryan and the exodus of repubiccons prior to election 2018).

            Thanks Sundance for keeping this on the front burner which increases pressure on Barr/Durham.

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            • Dutchman says:

              “Once?,…happenstance.

              Twice? ,……coincidence.

              THIRD time,…Enemy ACTION!

              As you point out, we have had MANY more than 3 instances, to clearly demonstrate Republicons in control of Congress are THE ENEMY.

              Sometimes you can identify your enemies weakest points, by seeing where they defend most aggressively.

              The Tea party attempted to PRIMARY Republicon leadership, and were attacked on at least 2 fronts (that we know of). The IRS, and then infiltration.

              And, I suspect that many tea party candidates that won, may well have been the subjects of 702 search queries, hence their seeming to “go all D.C.”, and ‘swampy’ once they got to D.C.

              Bannon tried to PRIMARY Republicons. I suspect, although I can’t PROVE it, that all 10 candidates he supported were subject to op research, and it was detirmined to make an example, using Roy Moore.

              And, I suspect it was a Uniparty “Op”, using well established methods.

              Its the “manufactured October Surprise” strategy, and when it works, devastatingly effective.

              Anyway, the basic STRATEGY of PRIMARYING is attacking them where they percieve themselves to be vulnerable.

              Announcing it loudly to the World, probably NOT a good idea.
              So, we need to continue to try to PRIMARY them, but NOT by following the ‘traditional’ model of political organising, i.e. fund raising, obtaining tax exempt status, and big PR campaign.

              Perhaps start with looking at the,”filing deadline” in each State.
              When is the LATEST someone can register as a Candidate.

              Second, use ONLINE organising, …
              The rough outline I am sketching out, is the primary campaign comes out of NO WHERE, in the last 6 weeks of the primary.
              The incumbent doesn’t have TIME to set up a manufactured surprise.
              And, you don’t openly do it as a National campaign, hit each locally.
              The success was Eric Cantor, and I think he was blindsided in just this way; he hadn’t really done much FOR his district, or campaigned much IN his district, and thought he,was going to cruise to victory, unopposed.

              And this is typical of those in leadership positions; they are picked, in large part, because they are considered “safe” seats, and they are so busy focusing on National issues, that,they tend to ignore their constituencies.
              Remember,Tom Dashle?

              So, we need to work on expunging Rpeublicon Rino Nevertrumper, never MAGA’s at the local, county and State level, and we need to develop different strategies for primarying.
              This is WAR, and the future of our Republic, is directly tied to the Republican party. IMHO

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            • MelH says:

              There seems no best place to ask but I’m wondering why Simpson’s wife, Mary Jacoby, going to the WH the day after the data base was shut down by Rogers, is significant. Do we know how long she was there or what she did or to whom she spoke? Maybe she was taking lunch to Simpson? Is the Data Base physically in the White House? If not, do we know where it is?

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          • regitiger says:

            a very solid theory…based on facts. I like it.

            now, let me give you another insert to comtemplate.

            what if the very surveillance apparatus has compromised these people? think about it carefully..

            how do you really compromise someone anyway? often we have this notion that it is ONLY a threat ….that just isn’t so..that is the bronze age notion of how compromise really operates.

            here is the modern age compromise.

            we know everything about you..and everyone that you care about…everyone.

            we are going to show you this..so you understand what happens next.

            that’s the threat part. it’s real.

            mister, we are ALL compromised…let me show you what I have done…what everyone I care about has done.

            that is sharing is caring.

            now let me open my secret wallet..see these gold coins? yes, these are all mine. This can be yours too…See all of these bills that have riders in them that allow me to practically vote myself back into office each cycle back at home…you get that power too. We are all compromised. It’s OUR SECRET. it the potomac three step to guaranteed wealth and access to power and the perks that come with a long political career. See all of those people you care about. they too can live wildly above their weight, because they get taken care of. And yours can too….

            all you have to do is.

            stop fighting..and start participating..

            the first thing you will want to do, is give unchecked support every single time the partiot and 702 authorization come up…you are allowed to wave your hands and raise hell…please do. but when the moment that counts comes, we look forward to you finding a way to protecting the very surveillance apparatus that has compromised us all. We will share notes with your team how to pull this off.

            do NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB.

            compromised in DC is a badge of honor, worn by most, the majority that can move mountains. And so, they are, and they do.

            the ONLY reason we are even talking about this…the ONLY reason this information has gained serious enertia about the secret police spy apparatus (deep dark state)..

            IS BECAUSE an outsider, Donald Trump, who made it very clear early on, he would be taking on the IC and the secret police spy state…AND HE DID….AND BECAUSE OBAMA 2.0, HRC was defeated BY THE PEOPLE….HRC, the candidate chosen by the deep dark state to add rocket fuel into an already highly successful private world of surveillance for money..intelligence for cash industry…It is NOT a trivial amount of cash either! We are talking about TRILLIONS of dollars..intelligence so powerful that is is the most prized commodity above all else…It’s the stuff dreams are made of.

            but….it is also so powerful it draws out the absolute worst in humans.

            It IS the perfect environment for satan carry out his plans.

            All of this was predicted..and not by conspiratorial nutballs and jackwagons. Nope….the very AUTHOR of the patriot act, predicted it. He wrote the act, so it would be used to target and investigate threats against the US ..but ONLY foreign targets. HE KNEW this apparatus could be abused. He talked about it..constantly. He compromised the risk that would happen with a renewal process…his first and final mistake was believing congress would take action if it was abused. and here we area..

            congress doesn’t talk about fight club….they are ALL compromised and the few that aren’t don’t make a difference. Once you hit critical mass in congress…the minor league players are inconsequential.

            but here is what WE DO KNOW..

            THE PEOPLE STILL HAVE POWER. WE DO HAVE POWER.

            We elected President Trump…he is the constant target of this massive compromised group of insiders and from the typical enemies of the US as well..ironically, foreign antagonists. Yet, he faces a higher attack rate (and do we, THE PEOPLE) from WITHIN!

            If President Trump could elaborate to the US PEOPLE and then ACT on it….We could start to see the end of this secret police spy state…the deep dark state wouldn’t dissapear, but it would have to use private tools and access outside of the law….

            AND THAT WOULD BE A GREAT VICTORY WORTH THIS PRESIDENT”S IMPERATIVES.

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            • Dutchman says:

              A different spin, leading to the same conclusion. McCarthy was an idiot, but he wasn’t wrong. The Soviets established, over many years, an infiltration program, in media, acedemia, the State Dept, and more broadly the Administrative state, the church hierarchy, and yes, the intelligence agencies.

              And then, Reagan collapsed the Soviet union, by forcing them to compete, economically.
              Now, what happens to all those marxist ‘infiltrators’ (for lack of a better term) when the USSR collapses?
              They don’t like Putin at all. He may be a Conmunist, but he is a Nationalist, not a Marxist, and they view him as little better than the Czar.
              However, their “loyalty” is NOT to a country, but to a fake ideology of global conmunism.
              So, they transfer their loyalty to their new State Sponsor for Global Conmunism,…CHI-NA.

              Brennan, Comey, and Ohr have documented conmunist ties that would have made McCarthy drool and gibber.
              If Comey is, its reasonable to assume his MENTOR, Mueller is, as well.

              So, the intel IS valuable, and too valuable NOT to be infiltrated and exploited by the CHICOMS, who are infiltrating the Boy scouts, the AMA, the American Bar association, and heck probably the PTA, fer cripes sake.

              You actually only need FOUR people, to control Congress; the Majority and minority leaders of both Houses.

              Once you have them, THEY can use committee assignments (carrot) and the threat of ethics investigations (stick) access to the Congressional Campaign committee funds, or no access, again carrot/stick.

              And yes, it ALL ultimately goes back to CHINA, and to follow the trail any farther than that, leads to the “Father of Lies”, himself.
              And while SATAN spent a tremendous amount of effort and energy setting up what he HOPED would be his final masterpiece, that would enable him to dominate the earth.

              And God reached out and grabbed the most IMPROBABLE person on the earth, to be HIS champion, and thwart Satans elaborate plan.

              Just as he chose a teenage shepard boy, to succesfully conquer a formidable, literal giant and experienced warrior.

              Why that choice? To show that WITH GOD, anything is possible, and without nothing is, and to show the Jews were his chosen people.

              Review DJT’s ascendency, thru the primary, achieving the nomination, and prevailing to win the Oval office, and OVER All the resistance aligned against him.
              Then he, who’s trademark expression is “Your Fired!” resisted the almost unbelievable temptation to fire Mueller. And on and on.

              EVERY thing they throw against him, while it sometimes takes TIME, I judge EVERY SINGLE TIME, he wins!
              This NEVER happens in life!
              Even Muhamad Ali had his jaw broken.
              The explanation is, while I take NOTHING away from DJT’s genius, I believe it is his,….council (GOD) that is the ONLY thing that can explain his victories, against all of Satans minions, time and time, again.

              The very improbability, AND the consistent winning, is the fingerprints of God, clearly visible to those who, but LOOK.
              IMHO,…

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          • whoseyore says:

            All that you need to verify Republican complacency is the SILENCE during every attempt to bring our president down!

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            • MelH says:

              I submit the Republican silence was strategic. Gen.Tzu would advise that stealth is a priority and do confuse the enemy. The President and Barr have a plan, and tiny bits of it were rolled out this week, NEARLY buried by W.H.O., but Clapper, Comey and Brennan didn’t miss it, I’ll bet! Nor did Obummer.

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            • Dutchman says:

              Exactly, DEAFENING,…silence.

              Every attempt to hold the coupists to account?
              OBSTRUCTION.

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      • amazed treetop downlooker says:

        XXXXACTLY, Jederman !

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    • son of liberty says:

      If our country does not get back to business soon none of this will matter. The Deep State virus’ job is to destroy our economy and it has done a good job. Unless we get back to work ASAP it will no longer matter about illegal surveillance because there will be anarchy which is what the CCP, DNC and Deep State are preparing for. Destroy our economy and they destroy our U.S.A. We all need to demand that our state economies reopen because helicopter money will not have anything to buy if nothing is being produced. History shows when people starve they get desperate. Call your governor’s offices and demand the economy reopen NOW before it is too late.

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    • Orville R. Bacher says:

      Axis of Evil threat which is China/NorthKorea/Iran. And the Democratic Party.
      For the USA, the immediate danger is the Democratic Party. Unprincipled, grasping, ready to help any foe of the USA, if it forwards their agenda – Power, no matter the cost.
      Look at the suck-ups to the Chinese Communist Dictatorship.
      A Presidential Candidate whose son gets $1.5 BILLION from the Bank of China.

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      • For the WORLD, the immediate threat and danger is/are globalism and the globalist banksters at the very TOP of that food chain.

        Period.

        At this point, it’s all that matters in more ways than one. THEY control china/nork/iran.

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    • Mojo says:

      I believe the Russians did interfere. They knew the DNC was stupid and desperate for dirt on Trump. So when Glenn Simpson showed up on their doorstep, they set him up with his pee dossier. Trump was a lose cannon to them, Hillary was a known fool. Which would you want to deal with?

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      • jwwjr says:

        Of course the Russians wanted Hillary to win, they, and every other country (Israel, North Korea, China, Iran, UK, et. al.) which made a snapshot of the hard drive on her bathroom e-mail server (which most likely contains Benghazi and Clinton Foundation e-mails), would have absolutely OWNED her. They own her now.

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      • tav144 says:

        I tend to agree. I believe Deripaska was willing to provide the fodder at least in the beginning, but backtracked after Trump won.

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    • sharon goodson says:

      http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=61375
      Microsoft Pulls Ad Featuring ‘Spirit Cooker’ Marina Abramovic After Backlash
      Abramovic was brought into the public spotlight in 2016 after leaked emails from Hillary Clinton campaign manager John Podesta showed Abramovic emailing John’s brother Tony to ask if John would be joining them for a “Spirit Cooking dinner.” Marina Abramovic’s “Spirit Cooking” performance from 1997 showed her smearing pig blood on various statues and writing in pig blood on walls about consuming various bodily fluids.

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  2. TheLastDemocrat says:

    When the Big Reveal happens and shows that Cruz and other (R) presidential candidates were being surveilled by exploiting the weakly governed but amazingly expansive NSA data base, by not just “FBI agents,” but by an undefined but broad panoply of FBI “contractors,” which equals whomever the FBI might decide to allow access for whatever reason. the public’s attention will finally be piqued. And they will be pissed.

    I would say “when all the (R) presidential candidates,” but I believe it is possible some of them may have been along for the ride.

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    • Orville R. Bacher says:

      Axis of Evil threat which is China/NorthKorea/Iran. And the Democratic Party.
      For the USA, the immediate danger is the Democratic Party. Unprincipled, grasping, ready to help any foe of the USA, if it forwards their agenda – Power, no matter the cost.
      Look at the suck-ups to the Chinese Communist Dictatorship.
      A Presidential Candidate whose son gets $1.5 BILLION from the Bank of China.

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    • snarkybeach says:

      they didn’t need to spy on Jeb!, he was already on the payroll.

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    • stripmallgrackle says:

      Seriously? I would say yes, maybe. The anointed faithful will swallow hook, line, and sinker whatever rationale, excuse, or psychopablum the MSM regurgitates as they read the pre-written scripts the DNC and IC load into their TelePrompters. Hopefully, enough of the rest of us will force an admission of some sort (not expecting a bona fide mia culpa here) and pressure DOJ to mete out some degree of justice.

      Other than that, I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting. Can’t picture myself turning blue. Lol.

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    • guest4ever says:

      I hope and pray the public will (finally) be pissed! Pissed enough to TOTALLY eliminate/destroy the, “Patriot” Act, the FISC, the CIA and the FBI!! Just burn it all to the ground!

      AND some BIG heads better roll!!! We peasants are getting pissed about this two-tier system of, “justice”.

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    • Dutchman says:

      Is it really practical to believe that ONLY the Dems and Obama had managed to establish illegal unauthorised access to this unbelievable powerful political tool (weoponised intel thru NSA database access) since at least 2012, and Republicans had no clue?

      Politics is warfare by other means, and if your opponent is consistently using a new weopon against you, to kick your *ss, you figure it out, and adapt.

      Until we get a list of the contractors that obtained access, the trail runs cold; we don’t know WHO they were working for.

      And, assuming you were a contractor who had such access, WHY would you limit your market for info, to 1/2 the potential market, by only selling your access to Dems?

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  3. Davenh says:

    Sobered up decades ago, one particularly crusty old timer was fond of saying “if nothing changes, nothing changes “. Easily applicable to the federal government. If there aren’t consequences eventually, probably sooner than later all this 💩 will repeat, again and again.

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    • Rix Six says:

      I knew an Old Timer that was fond of quoting Murphy’s Law. One of Murphy’s Law that he quoted, I don’t know which number it is but it states: When things go from bad to worst, don’t worry, the cycle will repeat.

      It kind of applies to the democrat party and their ability to lower the bar and then lower it some more, over and over again on behalf of their desire for absolute power.

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      • Mojo says:

        It is high comedy watching the Democrats spiral so far out of touch with Americans. If the GOP doesn’t win 2020 in a landslide, they only have themselves to blame.

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    • guest4ever says:

      BINGO!!! Winner, winner, chicken dinner!!!

      Our ENTIRE society MUST go back to dealing with the consequences of ALL our actions, good-or-bad! And genuine justice for the evil doers at the top of this would be a good start for the long-term health of our republic!!! (HELLO, AG Barr!!!)

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  4. IGiveUp says:

    I hope we’re spying on them now with the aim of destroying them. When they’ve surrendered unconditionally, we’ll need to return these new, awesome powers to the states. No central gov’t can be trusted with them.

    Of course, none of that will happen.

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  5. Comrade Mope says:

    Adhering to the two-hop standard, (although why bother at this point) and knowing Candidate Trump would call Fox and Friends on a regular basis, it would not be a huge leap to say this operation would, of necessity, involved spying on the press. If the press doesn’t find the spying on Trump offensive, perhaps they would find the spying on themselves outrageous. Maybe the spying on the press was so successful it has kept the press in line. That would explain the TDS.

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    • dottygal says:

      We know they spied on Sharyl Atkinson and she filed a lawsuit. Ex-DOJ Rod Rosenstein is named in the lawsuit. I still can’t figure out why Barr is protecting him.

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  6. Blue Wildflower says:

    Thank you, Sundance and helpers!
    Two things come to my mind besides the regular things.
    1. The intelligence organizations could have protected this country and other parts of the world if this tool was used legally. Trafficking of drugs, humans and attacks on this country and others could have been stopped.
    2. How many important Americans were spied upon?

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    • dottygal says:

      Remember Haney? He was a whistleblower and told Congress Obama had him remove U.S. terrorists from the NSA database, some of whom went on to perform mass shootings in our country. A couple of months ago he supposedly committed suicide…suicide by drone?

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    • guest4ever says:

      Sorry, Blue, but MY question is: How many REGULAR Americans were spied on?

      I’m guessing that anyone and everyone in a position of power, or in a position of possible blackmail for future leverage would be the answer to you second question!!!

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    • free2313 says:

      Well, we know for sure that Mitt Romney was successfully targeted; because of the way Romney was winning against Obama and suddenly he wasn’t seen for weeks, and became very quiet…
      Everyone in politicians, LSM, Hollyweirds, corporations etc., who fights so hard against Trump, I would say have been compromised….

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  7. MACAULAY says:

    I have been reading this excellent analysis by Sundance, all or parts, for about two years. It is the technological equivalent of catching the Nixon team red-handed burglarizing the Democratic Headquarters at the Watergate Building.

    Barr and Durham, presumably, have been reading all the same material, UNREDACTED, for about two years as well….and also even more incriminating information Sundance doesn’t have access to. Others before that.

    And still nothing has happened.

    One reason for the different outcome for Nixon (the supposed perpetrator, as opposed to Trump the obvious victim) is that the Media pounded and pounded on the Watergate Break-in,daily, until the dam finally burst and the cover-up was exposed. Here Trump continued to be the subject of an illegal investigation, even more intense after election, and after the initial crime was discovered, because the Media is intimately involved in the Cover-up.

    It is very sad. It is not the Country I grew up in. That country is all but lost.

    Saving it comes through Barr and Durham actually doing something. That was supposed to happen by the end of Spring. It came as no surprise that the deadline was recently pushed back to the end of Summer, and it will come as no surprise that, then, it will have to wait because of a policy that the DOJ will not act in such an important investigation 90 days before a national election.

    And with the people who perpetrated this modern day Watergate known but unpunished, in spite of easily provable guilt by any prosecutor with integrity and guts, they, with other new players, mostly neo-Bolsheviks like the Governor of Michigan and, of course California…will steal the election for the Presidency and to keep the House. It only takes the fraudulent production of votes in places like Philadelphia, Milwaukee, and Detroit—and vote harvesting in California and a few other places.

    Why shouldn’t they be emboldened to do all that?

    It is very sad. It is not the Country I grew up in. That country is all but lost.

    I just wonder why Barr—really the only man who can save his country—would get on TV and say that what happened was one of the Worst Travesties in American History.

    And then do nothing about it.

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    • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

      “One reason for the different outcome for Nixon (the supposed perpetrator, as opposed to Trump the obvious victim) is that the Media pounded and pounded on the Watergate Break-in,daily, until the dam finally burst and the cover-up was exposed.” ~ MAC

      That is not just “one reason”… that is the reason. The Press despised the Nixon Administration back then and absolutely adores the Obama Administration now. In some respects the mainstream media was running the whole coup, the overturning of the 1972 Election.
      The crooked media (Woodward & Bernstein) went full tilt to oust President Nixon and the will continue to provide cover for President Obama today and keep his travesty of justice swept under the rug.
      It appears as though the system is broken beyond repair so don’t expect one lonely US Attorney General to “fix it.” It will take a LOT more than one or two men with integrity; it may take an entire army.

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      • starfcker says:

        “one lonely US Attorney General to “fix it” One competent Attorney General could turn this around in an hour.

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      • Mojo says:

        There is one other big difference between Watergate and this scandal: Woodward and Bernstein had a relatively high level inside source that led them and enabled them to unwind the conspiracy. Woodward and Bernstein were nothing without that source. So far, no Deep Throat has emerged to help Sundance. Obama insiders were/are passionately loyal to fundamentally changing the country and they universally despise DJT.

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      • William the Comptroller says:

        If you eavesdropped on every journalism school candidate interview since 1974, most candidates would probably say they were inspired to be the “next Woodward/Bernstein”.
        Yet….. these “fearless journalists” showed not even a whiff of curiosity into Hillary’s blatant selfish and illegal use of a private (FOIA-proof) server and the uncertain repercussions on future military and Intel operations against China, Iran, Jihadis, Russians, etc who have unknown levels of access… which will get out brave soldiers and sailors killed unnessarily. Any MSM journalist with the guts to do the investigation (aside from the heavy lifting by Judicial Watch) would have had a Pulitzer on a silver platter and their name in the honor roll of history books forever. Time to audit J-schools.

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    • Somewhere in Dixie says:

      Don’t worry right now. Patience is a virtue. If you want to catch all the deep state components, you have to catch them all at once. That takes time. You have to do it when you have everything in place and you know you win with the hand you have.

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      • MACAULAY says:

        Patience is a Virtue..I agree with that.

        There is a frontier where Virtue fades into Vice. After 4 long years, Patience by Patriots is there.

        If they steal the Election for a Dementia Patient who will require Deep State Handlers, the Deep State you are patiently waiting to catch….will not be caught…it will run the Country.

        Are you comfortably patient with the recent information that the Durham Investigation will take to the end of the Summer?

        Do you think the indictment of numerous Democratic Officials from Obama’s Administration qualifies as the type of political investigation that the DOJ policy says will not conclude openly within 90 days of a National election?

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      • starfcker says:

        “If you want to catch all the deep state components, you have to catch them all at once.” Nonsense. You roll up the easy ones, let them know that their immediate future is 50 years behind bars, and let them start singing

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        • Yep…..Neither Wolfe, Comey and Clapper would not look forward to having an oversexed Bubba as a cellmate and Lisa Page has little kids to worry about (I think).

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          • William the Comptroller says:

            Time for a journalist to finally interview Strzok’s SEC official wife Melissa and jilted MR. Page. Melissa was the one who discovered Captain No-Bias’s text messages (probably when she discovered his cache of gift-wrapped boxes of Sensodyne in the trunk of their car and a bill from a hand surgeon for “Texting-thumb Syndrome”)

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      • dottygal says:

        That’s when you play the “Trump” card!

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      • guest4ever says:

        I hope and pray that you are right Somewhere in Dixie!

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    • Norma Jean says:

      So why doesn’t Barr/Durham just lay it all out there publicly like Sundance? Let America (regardless of your political persuasion) see the manipulation/deception and egregious evil of this administration. If demented Biden steals this election, at least the great people of this nation will have the chance to make their choice knowingly. I don’t know, maybe I’m just naive or just a hopeless fool thinking we still have a chance to bring American back to greatness. Trump sure was on his way… I guess in the end our Pravda media will stonewall. It is sad.. not the Country I grew up in either. I keep thinking maybe it’s time for another Santelli movement.. we pushed back with the Tea Party.. how about Resist the Resist?

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    • guest4ever says:

      Macaulay–Yeah, I feel your pain. The worst part of it is the fact that it’s been going on for so long—decades at least!

      My question is what is our VSGPDJT up to? I cannot imagine he just lets this all go and that he’s not “busy” behind the scenes where we usually can’t see!!

      We ourselves, all of us Deplorables, need to keep praying AND reform our morals, and bring them back—into society, not only in the home and church!!!

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    • anthonydog says:

      🇺🇸THE HAMMER IS THE KEY TO THE COUP – The American Report

      https://theamericanreport.org/2019/11/10/I’m/

      🇺🇸FISA JUDGE ROSEMARY COLLYER’S ORDER: DESTROY SURVEILLANCE DATA COLLECTED ON AND BEFORE MARCH 17, 2017, DATE “THE HAMMER” CIA/FBI WIRETAP ON TRUMP WAS EXPOSED AND SAME DAY SCHIFF HELD MEETING ON TRUMP WIRETAP CLAIM – The American Report

      https://theamericanreport.org/2019/12/24/fisa-judge-rosemary-collyers-order-destroy-surveillance-data-collected-on-and-before-march-17-2017-date-the-hammer-cia-fbi-wiretap-on-trump-was-exposed/
      …then Judge Collyer stepped down

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    • Mark says:

      Nothing is going to happen. Barr and Durham have delayed this into the 2020 election. That gives Barr an excuse to defer doing anything until after the election which he probably hopes Biden wins. Lets assume indictments were handed down in June by Durham. You can bet attorneys for the defense will be delaying this thing until well after the election. I wish Laura Ingraham had asked Barr questions regarding declassification. Why are we still getting information coming at a trickle? I’m not talking about information that Durham would be using.

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  8. At the bottom of this great article, you post two videos. It would be helpful, in the descriptions above each which introduce the videos, if you referenced the initial aur dates of these videos. WHEN did this hearing exchange occur, etc? Thanks.

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  9. At the bottom of this great article, you post two videos. It would be helpful, in the descriptions above each which introduce the videos, if you referenced the initial aur dates of these videos. WHEN did this hearing exchange occur, etc? Thanks.

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  10. Linus in W.PA. says:

    ‘Protection’ of the institutions has to include exposure of the institutions and partial, and maybe large, eradications of the institutions.

    Someone like Barr doesn’t need to defend anything as he wasn’t there doing these repeated crimes.

    I still haven’t given up on Barr. Maybe he’s not doing things the way we, or Sundance, wants, but I have a hard time understanding why he would publicly say the things he does without intended to cut the cord.

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    • starfcker says:

      He says things for the same reason Lindsey Graham says tough things. Gives guys like you hope, and wastes more time. The name of the game is run out the clock. Imagine how disappointed he and Durham would be if Donald Trump failed to get re-elected, and they were replaced only a month or two from solving the whole crime.

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      • Linus in W.PA. says:

        Maybe, maybe not.

        He could say a wide spectrum of things and still shove this thing down a rabbit hole, never to be seen again; and he could do that while still keeping his reputation or professional pride intact. Instead, he basically states that spying happened and that there were not mistakes, but intentional deeds.

        I still have some faith.

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    • powderdayrules says:

      Barr covered up Waco and Ruby Ridge, if my memory serves me. POTUS needs to declassify very soon.

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    • guest4ever says:

      Linus–And I think the “Protection” of those institutions MUST include exposure of the criminals who MUST pay an appropriate PUBLIC price. Otherwise, those institutions, and the country as a whole are gone! And I believe VSGPDJT knows that. He just is MUCH better at dealing with the long game than I certainly am!

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    • regitiger says:

      I “felt” the same exact way. But as time passed and more information and details unfolded, and careful inspections about Barr’s former official record, I could hold little hope and confidence Barr has any intentions on performing a serious investigation or prosecuting the major criminal figures behind the coup(S)..plural, several unique setup jobs!

      The numbers just don’t add up.

      If barr indicts even one single FBI agents for willfully altering a federal application to gain ANOTHER FISA authority, I’ll be shocked….If that case involves conviction and serious punishment…I’ll be astonished.

      There zero important cues that show serious action.

      if you understand the game (the DC game)…officials will often go make the rounds and talk up and conflate issues…it’s the public side of keeping the ball in the air..the illusion that everything is working as it should. Barr isn’t even very good at it. It’s the lack of authenticity…He obviously is very rusty in the art of deception.

      and sadly, laura wasn’t committed to asking hard questions….Laura made it pretty clear…she knew what this interview was about. she left a lot on the table..because that was exactly how this was planned. simple, easy, softball.

      We are not initiated to these theatrics and deception.

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  11. The Gaffer says:

    Perhaps the worst misconception regarding political surveillance using big data in the United States is that we invented it.

    Maybe they didn’t need a ‘Secret Research Project’ so long as Rahm was in the White House.
    You really didn’t think Rahm went to Israel to fix truck brakes did you?
    https://www.biography.com/political-figure/rahm-emanuel

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    • The Gaffer says:

      here’s the deleted link …

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    • WSB says:

      Carl Cameron is the journalist who was on the trail of all of this when he suddenly ‘retired’. No one has ever asked anything about him since.

      No one has actually seen Carl since.

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      • MR52 says:

        Internet search shows he is still active.

        Here is a piece from the Hill:

        Former Fox News reporter Carl Cameron said Monday that he left the network favored by conservatives because “right-wing hosts drowned out straight journalism with partisan misinformation.”

        Well that is enlightening.

        Actually, Cameron runs a Anti-Trump website Front Page Live. WSB are you a troll?.

        Never liked Cameron when I did watch Fox in the early 2000’s. Stopped watching Fox after Katerina and “Shep”.

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        • WSB says:

          Don’t recognize your moniker. New here?

          Cameron was to be on Jeanine Pirro’s show in 2017, reporting on Montgomery’s information and the story was abruptly cut on air.

          Either Fox didn’t like it or Cameron didn’t like it but something happened, and Carl did not surface again for two years.

          ” It appears Klayman thought Arizona might be more inclined to bring this to court than other states. The lawyers seemed to think otherwise.

          “Also, Carl Cameron of Fox News spent a week with Montgomery taping him for Fox. To my knowledge it was never aired.”

          http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1165624/pg1

          Not sure what your point is…maybe Breitbart is a better venue for you.

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          • gda53 says:

            Granted you may not have appreciated being questioned as being a troll.

            However, attacking someone while ignoring the FACTS he delivers is a pretty low way of acting, Cameron is observably and demonstrably anti-Trump. Have a look at the damn website, why don’t you.

            I think all of us would prefer that people play the ball, not the man.

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    • MR52 says:

      I have always thought that about the Israels. They seem to be a necessary evil for us, though don’t they.

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    • Rock Knutne says:

      The Gaffer ~~

      Great link. Easy to see how deep state embedded the bush administration was.

      Fox news used to actually have a semblance of actual reporting.

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  12. Somebody's Gramma says:

    Thank you again, and again, Sundance, for laying it all out, again. Regarding the Governors, screw them. I’m a born free American woman and they will not trample on my God given rights. Regarding Obama, and the communist snake and BFF, Valerie, and the entire intelligence apparatus that participated in this coup, and the entire complicit fake news media, may they all go to jail for treason. A public hanging would be more to my liking – line ’em up. And if one of them escapes that fate, they will still meet God. We are all awake now, thanks to many of you who’ve kept us informed. Before I die, I hope and pray, that I have taught my children and grandchildren well. They only answer to God Almighty, and secondly, their government answers to them, not the other way around. May we all save the Republic, no matter what it takes.

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  13. OldParatrooper says:

    I’m amazed that the identity of the “four contractors” has remained hidden so long. We don’t even know if that means four individuals, or four companies. Hard to imagine tens of thousands of unauthorized searches by four individuals, unless that was their only job.

    Perhaps a FOIA request for copies of the Contract, Task Order(s) and Monthly Reports would provide insight. The Contracting Officer (CO), the Contracting Officer’s Technical Representative (COTR), Government Program Manager (GPM), etc, emails and texts would also be useful.

    Generally, each contractor project or program submits a Monthly Report to the customer CO detailing the work completed that month, and the estimated charges as well as a snapshot of projected costs vs actual costs. Also provided are copies of any formal deliverables, such as reports, analyses, estimates to complete and estimates at completion.

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  14. randyinrocklin says:

    The big question is what are we going to do about it. All I hear is talk, talk, talk and more BS. Unless something happens and there are consequences to these actions nothing will change. Bill Barr is protecting the deep state. Sugar Wray should have been gone by now.

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    • Betty says:

      Here is what we must do:

      Six states have their rights enshrined in their constitutions, and they have given specific guidelines for anyone to claim their rights they seek. Exact processes and signature requirements for citizen groups to qualify their proposals are provided. Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota and Oklahoma are the only states that offer this process.

      For example:

      The process is governed by Article II, Section 14, of the New Mexico Constitution which states in part:

      “A grand jury shall be convened upon order of a judge of a court empowered to try and determine cases of capital, felonious or infamous crimes at such times as to him shall be deemed necessary, or a grand jury shall be ordered to convene by such judge upon the filing of a petition there[of] signed by not less than the greater of two hundred registered voters or two percent of the registered voters of the county, or a grand jury may be convened in any additional manner as may be prescribed by law.”

      Two percent of the voters in a county is a very small amount for any serious activism group. Most ballot proposals required 5 to 10 percent of the voter’s signatures. Citizen initiated grand juries should be a popular form of activism in the aforementioned states.

      https://wearechange.org/top-six-states-for-a-citizen-grand-jury/

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    • Garavaglia says:

      Are you prepared to deliver these consequences?

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  15. kleen says:

    EEEEEEExatly! This is not about Trump.
    This is about Obama and his comrades hiding his abuse of power for years. I can trace it back to 2001 WMD fake intel evidence to attack Iraq. Same criminal cabal, in different positions, but still in charge. Same tactics, same people, same crimes
    Enron is another example, ask Sidney Powell…

    They hide everything under classified information. The media is their hammer. Their part is to destroy people’s reputation so they have no credibility to fight back the abuse.

    There will be many more Trumps when this is exposed.

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  16. DS
    “too big to fail”

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  17. IMO, the revelation (by Collyers) that “many of these non-compliant queries involved the use of the same identifiers over different date ranges…” MEANS: An individual ( or individuals) had been targeted and a FISHING EXPEDITION of sorts was being conducted into that individual’s past activities.

    THAT is the danger of allowing an agency (NSA) to compile a database of all activities they mansge to monitor: Phone call records (to/from), text messsages (to/from+content) email records (to/from+content) web browsing (history), Social Media (Tweets/Instagrams/Facebook Posts ALL OF IT) …even yout WordPress Posts AND COMMENTS (HI BERNIE!)

    …EVERYTHING you have done or said IS ALREADY ON RECORD and IS being used against you if you pop up on someone’s radar. All they have to do is “enter the queries”

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    • iswhatitis says:

      letjusticeprevail2014 says: “…EVERYTHING you have done or said IS ALREADY ON RECORD and IS being used against you if you pop up on someone’s radar. All they have to do is “enter the queries”

      Exactly.

      That is the very thing I have explained to people – that might say, “Well, I’m not ‘important’, so therefore anything they have on me doesn’t really matter”.

      Out of a large population of such “unimportant” people, some of them will become “important” at some point in the future. Those individuals may not today realize that that will happen to them. They may believe they will never become “important”. Many will be right about that – but some will not.

      That’s the value of “having everything” – for those few individuals, that yesterday thought “I’m not important so it doesn’t matter”, that are now, today, “important” (and it now does matter). To compile a “dossier” on those individuals is, at that point, as easy as “entering the queries”.

      That is a power not easily given up.

      Unfortunately, from my cynical perspective, that is the very reason why it won’t change – there is too much incentive to keep such power “at the ready” and it overrides anyone’s “desire” to clean things up.

      That is why I am not one of those “hopefuls” that “Barr will still do the right thing – it just takes time”. While he, himself, might be “un-corrupted”, I am in the camp of those that think he will “preserve the institutions” (and that power that they have); and therefore maybe wag some fingers and give a few stern looks. But that’s about all I expect.

      “They” need to preserve that kind of power for “future needs”.

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      • Bendix says:

        Let one of these unimportant people decide they want to serve in town government, perhaps, and they will learn what is or isn’t important.

        The people who say they are not doing anything wrong so why not spy on them, need to understand that is exactly the reason they shouldn’t be spied on.

        The intelligence agencies used the mountains of surveillance data they had to deal with as the excuse for dropping the ball which led to the 9/11 attacks, so the solution was more levels of intelligence personnel and collecting data on every man, woman, and child in America. Yeah, that’ll work.
        The Uniparty went for it like greased lightning.

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      • 100% agreed. Barr won’t do anything to endanger the tools that have been assembled BY the S wamp FOR the swamp of which he is very much a part.

        Those databases and the FISA process are to William Barr what the “One Ring” was to Smeagol.

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    • anthonydog says:

      FISA JUDGE ROSEMARY COLLYER’S ORDER: DESTROY SURVEILLANCE DATA COLLECTED ON AND BEFORE MARCH 17, 2017, DATE “THE HAMMER” CIA/FBI WIRETAP ON TRUMP WAS EXPOSED AND SAME DAY SCHIFF HELD MEETING ON TRUMP WIRETAP CLAIM – The American Report

      https://theamericanreport.org/2019/12/24/fisa-judge-rosemary-collyers-order-destroy-surveillance-data-collected-on-and-before-march-17-2017-date-the-hammer-cia-fbi-wiretap-on-trump-was-exposed/
      …then Judge Collyer stepped down

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      • Note the wording:

        “…Senior U.S. District Judge Rosemary Collyer, Presiding Judge of the U.S. Foreign Surveillance Court, on April 26, 2017, ordered U.S. intelligence agencies to destroy EVIDENCE of illegal domestic surveillance collected on and before March 17, 2017…”

        LOL

        She’s not ordering the dismantling of the system used to spy on Americans. She’s ordering the destruction of the PROOF that the DoJ and IC were breaking the law.

        COVER UP!

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    • anthonydog says:

      Collyer let them amend their fraudulent FISA warrants and destroy evidence that is COMPLICIT- and a violation of the Federal Records Act —also giving no redress to those whose constitutional rights were VIOLATED!!

      🇺🇸THE HAMMER IS THE KEY TO THE COUP – The American Report

      https://theamericanreport.org/2019/11/10/I’m/

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  18. thedoc00 says:

    Seeing how so many IC and DoJ/FBI folks ended up as either direct employees or contributors to CNN, they have to be fitted into the puzzle. It was an old CNN file story, which was never shown, that served as the canvas for Steele to paint his dossier. CNN has also been a big part of this (in return for exclusive first dibs on publishing results) at least from the point Steele was engaged. All the other networks were getting sloppy seconds or flat out repeating CNN’s stories.

    The other fact not mentioned was that FBI (Counter INTEL element) also used allot of contractors, with clearances who could access the same materials. The FBI Counter INTEL folks are the bridge between the IC and DoJ/FBI. Comey used one one those contractors to leak his memo’s.

    Further Devin Nunes deserves a cameo in this article. Besides Admiral Rogers, it was Nunes who found, from an old Obama Daily INTEL Brief, how the data was being shipped directly into the White House for use by Obama’s staff. Given how Obama has opened up the authorization and delegation of clearances within the Executive Branch of Government. It would not be surprising to discover that Obama had delegated authority to grant clearances (per his legal powers), to Rahm Emanuel, the Clinton Campaign and leadership within the DNC.

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    • mark says:

      Hey doc do you reckon all of the press works for the CIA and FBI? I mean like in getting a pay check or blackmailed.

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      • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

        The leftwing press are all ideologues.
        They don’t need extra paycheck for what they do.
        They aren’t being blackmailed as they do it voluntarily.

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    • Mojo says:

      Interesting.

      I have never thought of CNN being active in the formation of Steele’s report.

      But it makes sense. They get the scoop (I can’t recall now who broke the story) and, it would explain why they breathlessly hung on to the Russia Collusion story for two solid years.

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      • tav144 says:

        Don’t forget how pissed they were when Buzzfeed published the entire dossier. Tapper was livid – obviously because that revealed how silly the claims were, when if it had been kept vague on content, they could spin it as majorly incriminating. They had reported on it initially once Comey briefed Trump, but they wanted to spin it. Once they did that though, Buzzfeed wanted the headline “scoop” and published the whole thing.

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  19. Thought Criminal says:

    We don’t have a Constitution anymore, do we?

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  20. JamesD says:

    We know one of the private contractors: Dennis Montgomery. We know the name of the program: Operation Hammer. We know James Comey was alerted by Montgomery and Montgomery also turned over around 20 hard drives full of spy data on private citizens to the FBI. Please follow up on that. His lawyer is the famous Larry Klayman.

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  21. JamesD says:

    Dennis Montgomery / Operation Hammer / Larry Klayman. GIYF

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  22. doofusdawg says:

    And this is why the dems are all hands on deck with Biden. If Biden wins then Barr and Durham and everyone associated with them are immediately fired and all investigations and prosecutions will be stopped. The thing is Barr knows it. How does that affect what he does before the election?

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  23. dave casper says:

    So, half our country is evil, what’s new.

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    • MACAULAY says:

      What’s new is the the Evil Half is now Bolshevik Evil and is about to be running the whole country by way of election fraud in rotting cities like Detroit, Milwaukee, Philadelphia….and controlling the House by way of vote harvesting in places like California.

      And the Attorney General is apparently powerless to do anything about the crimes of the last election—even though he termed them the worst travesties in American History.

      And by apparently giving up, he is insuring that they will get even worse this next election.

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  24. RAC says:

    Some of us, maybe quite a few, have experienced that knowledge that something really bad is going to happen the next day. Something catastrophically bad from which there is no going back.
    When sleep is out of the question, and staying awake is the best option. Time to think about all you have, while it’s still there, till morning.
    Don’t get too far away from that night stand Mr. Brennan, time for action may be very short.

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  25. People have been demanding that we ‘Burn it All Down’….Well, I think we’re getting a glimpse of that now….Be careful of what you wish for……

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  26. JimFromNH says:

    Well, if we’re going back then to 2012 then, it obviously stands to follow that an early version of the surveillance was active during the Romney presidential campaign.
    Granted Romney was a gutless candidate, but his selection and subsequent stumble must have happened for other reasons too.

    I remember back to mid-late 2010 when Obama’s popularity started to lag, as bad policies, a never-ending financial crisis, & an enthusiastic Tea Party were moving ahead.
    After months of swoon, it seemed Obama doubled-down, but came back surprisingly awake & angry in 2011.
    I’d guess that he first seriously employed bureaucratic manipulations to achieve victory around then.
    Wasn’t that how he got the votes for Obamacare? Didn’t Cong. Massa (NY) get taken out after refusing to support the health plan? There were other “hits” also, as closet skeletons moved forward.

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  27. 2zymos says:

    An important additional point to consider:

    Obama admin use of NSA information has historical roots: same with IRS information abuse. If ‘you’ consider this point, it changes Rogers role significantly. Rogers is aware of the NSA and IC system abuse from much earlier ‘in his career’ (as is true of Flynn).

    The point is that Rogers MOVES to shut off access, at the time he does so, as part of a DELIBERATE plan to foil a THIRD fraudulent election (1obama 2008, 2 obama 2012, therefore 3 clinton 2016). Whistle blowers going back to at least 2001 (Binney, Drake) and subsequent (Tice, Sybel, JAssange, ??Snowden, etc) make it clear that this systematic abuse is well known within the system.

    Trump Tower Trip by Rogers:
    Rogers’ MARKER of going to Trump IN PUBLIC is a TRANSITION from concealing their knowledge of the system abuse by obama/clinto to putting ‘them’: OBAMA/CLINTON CABAL AS ENEMY/TREASONOUS actors and calling ‘FIGHT IS ON’ that they know what they did to U.S. election/presidential selection process — as well as making it inevitable that the public would know.

    This was a planned disclosure

    It accelerated the Flynn hunt and led to a series of ‘more or less FORCED ERRORS’ in the role-out of the demoncrap/deep-state/coup-plotters plans.

    The intel/info/psy–wars leading up to the election of Trump —– when that story gets told… !!!!!

    Stay cold angry; know who has your back. The successful resolution of long-planned events takes place soon — or — we’ll be in a civil hot war shortly after it fails.

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    • Zydeco says:

      People are accepting totalitarianism during the virus “crisis”. How can there ever be a covil war?

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      • 2zymos says:

        Not so much “accepting” as tolerating and watching: not everyone nor everywhere by any means. Just the same — is “enduring” or “suffering” injury and injustice for as long as needed… as long as tolerable: but not longer than “that”.

        Even then, only about 10-15% of the people will act to “terminate” the intolerable and that will be more than enough. Many will still be blissfully “social distancing”/self-lock-up through “the whole thing/time”.

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  28. Jimmy R says:

    If Durham isn’t ready by May 3 (six months before the election) then if he is ready soon thereafter, he will have to indict within those six months or wait until after the election. If he is an honest and just man, then he will not wait until after the election because of the risk that all his work will be flushed by Biden in late January 2021. Therefore, if Durham is a just and honest man and is ready soon, then the indictments will come “close to” (within six months of) the election.

    A corollary to that is that if Durham is an honest and just man who doesn’t want to risk all his work being flushed down the toilet by Biden, then he knows he must hurry to finish up soon. And if he’s not sure that he will be ready with solid cases by January 2021, then he is a worried man.

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  29. pap says:

    Obviously Hillery knew about all of this illegal spying. This make me wonder if Hillery uses this leverage to squash the fbi into allowing her to bleach bit her hard drives and to let her go free.

    Remember when comey said there is not a judge who would take this case.
    I will bet the reason is because they have found something damming on every single judge in the system.. ie Roberts, but probably not the late Antonin Scalia…

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    • jus wundrin says:

      Its not hillys first time at the rodeo for using leverage. Remember “filegate”?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_FBI_files_controversy

      This was when the reality of a two tier just-us system hit me like a ton of bricks, and that the ‘resist’ establishment was real and dangerous.

      “President Clinton said that, “It appears to have been a completely honest bureaucratic snafu.” Sound familiar?

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    • Bendix says:

      Hillary used to to force the party to put up a sick old woman as their candidate. She was to be Obama’s third term, and all the dirt on both of them would have remained interred for eternity.
      Even Bernie was too much of a threat to them, I think he was correct when he said he had a better chance of beating Donald Trump than Hillary did, but having the White House in Democrat hands wasn’t enough for them.

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    • 2zymos says:

      You can be pretty confident “they” had compromising material on Scalia (even if its not sexual or $ or other embarrassment…
      1. What “they” didn’t count on was that Scalia loved truth and loved the USA so much that he wanted to “clear the air” so we could breath and prosper…… or….

      2. …he was in up to his neck and wanted to pile it all on obama/hitlery and was making plans to collapse it on “them” and thereby sealed his fate.

      1 is most likely the case. 2 CANNOT be ruled out (just yet).

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    • amazed treetop downlooker says:

      Yup..”.pillowgate”…one of the most egregiously evil of all the many Arkancides !!!

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  30. litlbit2 says:

    Thanks Sundance as I am amazed how so many in the Justice Department are constantly given a pass and allowed to continue promoting criminal activity.

    Today the world is fighting Wuhanvirus as a Pandemic while ignoring the massive terminal disease spreading in all parts of American Culture by the AG Barr Justice Department in its efforts to continue the beat down of the Forgotten Man.

    It is beyond belief how President Trump remains a true American looking over Americans in a Sodom & Gomorrah atmosphere of Washington DC with the blessings of good ole AG Barr! If Sundance can report and lay this Hoax out over and over again and again. With the status quo answer, be patient, so much to unpack, we must get this correct, all in due time, this time the AG means business, the news is coming out, the new AG is very honorable. Wait for the next corrupt AG appointment? Does anyone believe these people will be charged or convicted? Just maybe after 2020 but this corrupt AG Barr Justice Department needs fumigation.

    Reminds me how easy the term Wuhanvirus was changed to Covid as the caskets around the world became occupied, transparency omitted, propaganda expanded, Get Trump ASAP

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  31. evergreen says:

    “Who wanted NSA Director Mike Rogers fired in 2016? Brennan, Clapper and Carter.”

    Has anyone ever divulged a “reason” why the head of the NSA should have been FIRED? That’s not exactly a trivial accusation coming from the DNI, CIA, and SecDef. *%(&(%!!

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    • evergreen says:

      In hindsight it became clear why Obama never moved on that recommendation, pinpointed at October 2016…because 1) Hillary was a sure thing, and 2) Rogers had the keys to the kingdom: he’d divulge all.

      Rogers probably made that trip to see Trump ASAP out of self interest as well.

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      • California Joe says:

        There’s the proof of criminal intend!!! If Brennan, Clapper or Comey pushed to have Adm. Rogers fired that’s a cover-up and only guilty people want to hide their crimes.

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  32. golfmann says:

    Stupid, bigmouth Maxine Waters comes to mind with her threats about Obama’s “database”
    Co conspirator?

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  33. Rick says:

    If same subjects were being searched by Fisa 702 17 included Michael Flynn, Paul Manifort and even Michael Cohen and Rosemary Collyer knew it, then they should have had their cases dismissed a long time ago.

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  34. Bogeyfree says:

    IMO Barr and Durham STOP with Spygate and FISA Gate.

    But NSA Contractor Abuse from 2012-2015 to build a database to leverage/blackmail Americans WILL NEVER BE EXPOSED IMO.

    Even though IMO the bridge from FISA Abuse to NSA Contractor Abuse is most definitely connected as part of the master plan, IMO Barr will not walk across this bridge to expose FIB allowed NSA Contractor Abuse.

    It is just too much of a hot potato IMO and the damage opening up and exposing years of NSA Contractor Abuse IMO is something AG Barr will NEVER expose.

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  35. Mojo says:

    If Collier knows the “identifiers”, why not release them? If only one identifier is revealed as “#realdonaldtrump”, BAM! Headlines! Media interest (well maybe FNC)!

    The more I read these redacted passages, the more obvious it becomes the bureaucracies are only protecting themselves and not the national intetests. How can these people live with themselves knowing how corrupt their agencies were and redacting to protect the wrong doers? I have only known a few people who were in it for power…they were about as soulless as I’ve ever seen; power must be a addictive drug to them.

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  36. Bob Lynch says:

    Attorney General Barr says if they have the evidence, he will prosecute. Well Sundance just gave it to you. When do the arrests begin?

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    • jx says:

      SD has published much of this excellent research over the past year or more. Barr’s sluggishness is inexplicable – presuming he has honorable motives.

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    • Bendix says:

      Rudy Giuliani just gave Barr some evidence of crimes.
      Rudy very nearly wrote the book on the prosecution of the kinds of crime he collected that evidence on.
      I can’t imagine he didn’t give Barr enough to go on.

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  37. jus wundrin says:

    The evidence is clear as will be shown by the Durham investigation.

    But after watching the predictable two tier just-us system for awhile, my confidence in actual punishment is VERY low. Yes, some of the low level perps may receive mid term prison sentences, but those who are the most responsible will get a firm tongue lashing followed by the reddening of the backs of their hands by a stiff ruler!

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  38. anthonydog says:

    Tracked since March 17, 2017–remember that date:

    FISA JUDGE ROSEMARY COLLYER’S ORDER: DESTROY SURVEILLANCE DATA COLLECTED ON AND BEFORE MARCH 17, 2017, DATE “THE HAMMER” CIA/FBI WIRETAP ON TRUMP WAS EXPOSED AND SAME DAY SCHIFF HELD MEETING ON TRUMP WIRETAP CLAIM – The American Report

    https://theamericanreport.org/2019/12/24/fisa-judge-rosemary-collyers-order-destroy-surveillance-data-collected-on-and-before-march-17-2017-date-the-hammer-cia-fbi-wiretap-on-trump-was-exposed/

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  39. California Joe says:

    “On March 9, 2016, oversight personnel doing a review of FBI system access were alerted to thousands of unauthorized search queries of specific U.S. persons within the NSA database.”

    Yet in spite of being caught red-handed by Adm. Rogers the FBI, CIA and DOJ because even more renegade and brazen in it’s attempt to frame President Trump for a crime that not only he didn’t commit but a crime that never even happened. Where did that power and that courage to commit the most heinous of crimes come from?????

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  40. anthonydog says:

    Tracked since March 17, 2017–remember that date:

    FISA JUDGE ROSEMARY COLLYER’S ORDER: DESTROY SURVEILLANCE DATA COLLECTED ON AND BEFORE MARCH 17, 2017, DATE “THE HAMMER” CIA/FBI WIRETAP ON TRUMP WAS EXPOSED AND SAME DAY SCHIFF HELD MEETING ON TRUMP WIRETAP CLAIM – The American Report

    https://theamericanreport.org/2019/12/24/fisa-judge-rosemary-collyers-order-destroy-surveillance-data-collected-on-and-before-march-17-2017-date-the-hammer-cia-fbi-wiretap-on-trump-was-exposed/

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  41. Tom H says:

    For any of you who own GE stock, I have BAD NEWS. If it’s not bad enough that the company was run into the ground by Friend Of Obama Jeffrey Emmelt, and that the Board Of Directors was a bunch of politically correct stooges…..the new CEO has named to the Board (drum role please) total political hack and likely criminal….Obama Sec. Of Defense ASH CARTER (featured above by Sundance)!!!!!!!

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    • MR52 says:

      Thanks Tom, I don’t know why I bought the stuff in 2008. What a mistake.

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      • Tom H says:

        Buying it cheap in 08 was not the mistake; not selling when it was in the low 30’s was the mistake. I made the same mistake. That is where the tax code provides a real disincentive….you would have had a substantial cap gain liability (if you had no losses to offset the gains). To add insult to injury, they basically eliminated the dividend.

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  42. sarasotosfan says:

    Thank you simply does not convey my respect for your effort Sundance. I’ll be in your donations again today.

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  43. Bogeyfree says:

    By far the best write up and synopsis of what has transpired since 2012.

    I wish it also included the Feb 2009 launch of the Hammer Program and Dennis Montgomery that appears to have been the precursor to NSA Contractor Abuse but in essence did the same.

    Amazing to think we have an actual Hammer WB and 47 Hard Drives Of evidence and it has all been ignored since they were turned in back in 2015.

    But Bravo to Sundance for this write up and I agree is a MUST SEND to as many Americans as possible.

    Can we link this article to Rush, Bongino, Powell, Dobbs, Levin, Tucker, Ingraham, Hannity, Regan, Rion, Posbiec, Fitton, Grenell, Meadows, Nunes, PapaD, Gen. Flynn, Rich Higgins and 1000 other Patriots.

    I would simply add at the bottom of all of this a simple question………..

    Will Barr expose all of the NSA Contractor Abuse of the Database from 2012-2015?

    Yes or No?

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  44. Hoyt Pauer says:

    So what we know is that the Obama KGB-Gestapo aka the intelligence community – is a dangerous enemy of the people and a tool of the totalitarian socialists. It all needs to be shut down.

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  45. Bendix says:

    Forgive me if it is mentioned, I stopped reading and began skimming partway through this, but the name Snowden is relevant to this saga so I thought I’d throw it out as a reminder.

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  46. Shyster says:

    Now that the IG report footnote disclosure demonstrates the alleged Russian intelligence disinformation scheme targeting Trump and his campaign, and more importantly, that the FBI recognized it for what it was yet still ignored it, the falsity of the Obama, Clapper, Brennan and Comey ICA (Intelligence Community Assessment) in December 2016 that the Russians were helping Trump and his campaign and that the Russians preferred Trump is apparent.

    These footnotes prove that the ICA was false and part of an Obama and intelligence community effort to end or at least destabilize the Trump presidency. If Russian intel was feeding false derogatory info about Trump into US intelligence and the FBI, then the ICA claiming the Russians preferred and/or helped Trump is clearly false. Why a false ICA, because this helped flood the Russian collusion zone against Trump justifying the federal bureaucracy “resistance” AND helped pave the way for the Mueller appointment designed to cover up and take Trump out.

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  47. Bogeyfree says:

    How do we get Sundance to interview PT and then AG Barr?

    There must be a way.

    Don Jr. if you read here, an interview by Sundance of your father would provide more benefit, truth and exposure of all of the corruption from the years 2009-2016 than anyone else could possibly do and I encourage you to have your Dad reach out to Sundance.

    If nothing else Don, please ensure this article and the California article gets to your father as it is by far the best detail account of what has transpired here.

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    • Bendix says:

      Something like a Reddit AMA, only closed.

      Reddit reminds me, I never go there, but I happened to be looking at it the day some clown went on there with a lurid tale involving a woman very highly placed in government, a name he said everyone would recognize, and a chore he was hired to do for her.

      It seemed ridiculous at the time, I thought it had to be fake. Who would go on Reddit for advice on how to do a job for Hillary Clinton?
      Just weird, that I even saw something that would become important later like that.
      Also weird that it just went away.

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  48. Bendix says:

    Obamacare, a key feature was those electronic records for the government database, even ordering your physician to spend time during your visit which you paid for, doing data entry. What does having guns in the home have to do with cancer or acid reflux or broken bones?

    Common Core- all your child’s records from school, with their name attached.

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  49. Mac says:

    Thank you for validating everything that I have posted here re: the timeline and reasons for Spygate. You missed two things though. The lesser thing is the involvement of the British equivalent of the US NSA. The director of that agency sent several disks of data, which his agency had mined from the NSA under the auspices of 5 Eyes, to Brennan after Adm. Rogers had shut the contractors out of the NSA data base. This was a one shot deal, which could not be continued. The second thing you missed was the exposure of HRC to potential criminal indictment and conviction over Servergate. Trump supporters, at that time, were already chanting “Lock Her Up”. And Trump was publicly stating that HRC should be in jail.

    So, as noted the Dems were running elint through the NSA on political opponents, until Rogers shut it down. Brennan was able to use the British GCHQ to provide a stop gap access to NSA surveillance material while other assets were put into play. One such asset was the introduction of a mole into the Trump campaign to provide humint until elint could be reestablished. To reestablish “legitimate” elint, the FBI had to be used. And, as this had to be a counter intelligence operation, an IC predicate had to be established to justify it and, eventually, the issuance of a Title 1 surveillance warrant.

    So, timeline wise, here is what you have,
    1) Trump becomes the presumptive GOP nominee.
    2) Rogers shuts Dem contractors out of the NSA data base.
    3] Here is where multiple tracks split off, all with the same objective:
    a) Brennan utilizes the GCHQ to gain intelligence until a humint source can be introduced into the Trump campaign.
    b) Brennan, through the IC, begins to establish the overseas predicate for Crossfire Hurricane.
    c) The FBI introduces one or more human agents into the Trump campaign for interim surveillance.
    d) As a person has to be reliably identified as an agent of a foreign government to justify the issuance of a Title 1 warrant, the IC predicate operation attempts to set Manafort and Papadopolous, and later Flynn, as said agents. This fails to garner a Title 1 warrant.
    e) When this fails, the conspiracy burns Carter page by attempting to portray him as a foreign agent. This fails, on the first attempt.
    f) The conspiracy turns to Glen Simpson’s Steele Dossier for corroboration, along with a “friendly” FISA judge.
    g) The FBI obtains a Title 1 warrant on Carter Page, who has been a long time asset of both the CIA and FBI. The T1 warrant allows surveillance of virtually the entire Trump campaign, under the two-hop rule.

    And, we are off to the races. But, here is where it gets really sticky. As Crossfire Hurricane is a CI operation, not a criminal one, the President has to be notified, so that he can deliver the required authorization for the operation to continue. While it is possible that President Obama was never notified of Crossfire Hurricane, it is unlikely, as Comey, in particular, would have made sure that he was covered for these illegal activities. And, that is why this investigation is never going to go anywhere. Too many top echelon people have to be protected.

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    • teabag14 says:

      Mac: what do you think would happen if the protection of all those “too many top echelon people” was removed? Worst case? Best case? Most of us would love to see them fall. Can that be a worse fate than losing our Constitutional Republic? We sure are getting our noses rubbed in this day in and day out because of what we think we know but apparently are not supposed to know.

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      • Mac says:

        The problem that exists is that rampant corruption is the foundation of the DC political establishment. Now ask yourself, if you were a politician who is feathering his nest from extra governmental sources, would you want someone indicted for this type of crime to rat you out? A tremendous amount of money passed through the Clinton Foundation, and much of it simply disappeared. What kind of records do the Clintons hold? What happens to potentially dangerous witnesses against political operatives, such as Epstein?

        Now, suppose that one of the higher ups in the FBI or CIA is charged with a crime involving these practices. What if he fingers others, in order to get a lighter sentence? Maybe the former President? What if one of these people fingers members of Congress and former members of Congress, such as Joe Biden? Beginning to see the domino effect? Where does it stop and, while it is going on, who runs the store? How does a government survive seeing 80+ percent of the politicians, and likely an equal percentage of the bureaucracy, ousted? If the government resists, does the populace respond violently? And, how many people are going to support collapsing the governments?

        The people involved in these situations are driven by self interest. They do not care about the People, the nation, right, justice or honor. Those in high government positions are either card carrying members of the Establishment or are wholly owned by the Establishment. They like the status quo. Part time politicians, such as our current .POTUS, have to pick and choose their battles with an eye to advancing their own agenda.

        There is no easy solution to the problem of the systemic corruption inherent in our government systems.

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        • teabag14 says:

          OK. That answers my questions. I always like to go to the bottom line which seems to be this: We are damned if we don’t pull the plug on the swamp, and probably more damned if we do. A “nice mess” if ever there was one.

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