Carter Page Had a More Important Use Beyond a FISA Warrant….

It has never made sense that U.S. Person Carter Page was an FBI witness from 2013 through to March/May 2016 and yet in October 2016, to achieve a FISA warrant, the FBI called him an agent of a foreign government.  [FISA APPLICATION]

It just never made any sense; perhaps, until today.

Put yourself in the mindset within the highly political small group at the DOJ and FBI who have a plan to help Hillary Clinton win the presidency.

From October 2015 through early March 2016 Fusion GPS was assembling opposition research on all the GOP candidates.  However, mid-March it became obvious Donald Trump was going to win, so all other efforts were side-lined and Trump becomes the Fusion-GPS focus.  Billionaire Paul Singer, a Rubio backer, drops funding for Fusion-GPS Trump research; the DNC and Clinton campaign take over the payments.

After carefully negotiating issues with the Clinton email scandal, the FBI small group has successfully announced Hillary Clinton was ‘extremely careless’ but not ‘intentionally grossly negligent’.  The team timed the whitewash to conclude prior to the conventions.

Now it’s July 21st, 2016, and candidate Donald Trump has made his acceptance speech at the GOP convention in Columbus, Ohio.  In ten days Operation Crossfire Hurricane will officially begin after CIA Director John Brennan gives FBI Director James Comey a two-page “electronic communication” memo to kick things off.  Things are going according to plan.

In the background CIA Director Brennan was running an international operation against peripheral figures within the Trump campaign since March.  The goal was to create the appearances needed to generate surveillance, and launch the FBI counterintelligence operation.

Through the use of Five-Eyes allies in Australia and the U.K, by July 31st the Brennan op had successfully created suspicious appearances for Paul Manafort, George Papadopolous, Michael Flynn and Carter Page; Brennan turns the “EC” over to James Comey and Andrew McCabe.  Crossfire Hurricane, led by FBI Agent Peter Strzok is off and running. Things are going according to plan.

HPSCI Final Report Link (page #12)

On July 28th, 2016, Hillary Clinton accepts the democrat presidential nomination.  The DOJ and FBI now get down to business conducting surveillance on the Trump campaign and defending Hillary’s interests.

Simultaneously, Glenn Simpson, Nellie Ohr and Mary Jacoby of Fusion-GPS have contracted with former British Intelligence Officer Christopher Steele to receive information from their research, verify it, enhance it, and compile it into a set of memos that can be used to align with the Russian conspiracy narrative constructed by Brennan.

There is now an official investigation, Crossfire Hurricane via the FBI, and an unofficial investigation, dossier assembly via Steele and Fusion, underway.  Watch carefully, later it will become part of a collaborative effort to merge these two elements.

Throughout the summer things are going swimmingly.  Hillary is on track, albeit taking too much time off the campaign trail, and her campaign is being briefed by Fusion on the overall Russia collusion narrative effort.  Emissaries networked between the FBI/DOJ, the intelligence community and the Clinton campaign are aligned through mutual channels.

On August 5th, former interim CIA Director Mike Morell publishes an Op-ed in the New York Times saying: “In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation.”

[Not coincidentally Mr. Morell was Hillary’s CIA safety net following Benghazi when CIA Director General David Petraeus had to be removed by DNI James Clapper. {Go Deep}]

On the same day as the Morell Op-Ed… Hillary Clinton releases the following video.  Knowing what you know now about the CIA/DOJ/FBI Trump-operation, watching this in hindsight might just blow your mind.  WATCH:


The hindsight coordination visible here is stunning. [That video might disappear]

Crossfire Hurricane is ongoing.  Fusion GPS and Christopher Steele are ongoing.  The only thing not working according to plan is the media fully embracing the material being provided by Fusion and Steele and publishing it.  The media are reluctant because the dossier material is almost impossible to validate and verify.

Reminder…. There is now an official investigation, Crossfire Hurricane via the FBI, and an unofficial investigation, dossier assembly via Steele and Fusion, underway.

On August 15th, 2016, Lisa Page and Peter Strzok have a meeting with Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe.  At the conclusion of that meeting, Peter Strzok sends a text message to Ms. Page:

“I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office -that there’s no way he gets elected- but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk.  It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40.”

Here’s where Carter Page is about to come in; but first more context…

Crossfire Hurricane is actually a surveillance operation and counterintelligence operation against the Trump campaign based on the originating “EC” from Brennan.  Crossfire Hurricane is also part of the background Russian conspiracy narrative being pushed by the Clinton campaign.  However, Crossfire Hurricane is also mostly invisible except for leaks.  Leaks can be risky; and they don’t want to tip-off the Trump campaign.

Meanwhile, despite their earnest efforts Fusion-GPS and Christopher Steele are not getting much media traction on their dossier.  The media whispers are louder, most of them know about it, but no real traction on pushing specific stories.

On August 25th Hillary Clinton gives a speech in Reno Nevada where she outlines how the “Alt Right” and Russian agents/bots are behind an effort to destroy her campaign. To many people the speech just seemed goofy and paranoid.  She was mocked for it.

Mysteriously Clinton disappeared for almost two weeks after that “Alt Right” speech, and resurfaced on September 11th in New York for a 9/11 event.  This is when she had that mysterious collapsing episode, and was thrown in the van like a sack of potatoes.  With each cough and stumble the possibility and risk of a Trump victory increases.

On September 29th, 2016, the FBI received word from New York that new Clinton emails were uncovered in the Weiner/Abedin laptop.  Andrew McCabe and Peter Strzok buried the issue, assuming (hoping) that Clinton would win the election.  The laptop would be avoided by the FBI until October 27th. [backstory]  Undoubtedly the Clinton campaign team was notified.

On October 19th Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump square off in their final debate.  During the debate Clinton calls Trump “a puppet of Putin”. Clinton suggested that Trump would be a “puppet” for Putin, who has a “very clear favorite in this race.” “No, you’re the puppet!” Trump responded.

Clinton said 17 U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded that recent cyber attacks targeting the U.S. election came from Russia. “She has no idea” where the hacking originated, Trump argued. Clinton accused Trump of taking Putin’s word over the conclusions of the U.S. military and intelligence professionals, calling it “frightening.” LINK

Two days after this debate, October 21st, the FBI rushed an application to the FISA court for a Title-1 surveillance warrant against U.S. person Carter Page.

It has never made sense that U.S. Person Carter Page was an FBI witness from 2013 through to March/May 2016 and yet in October 21st 2016, to achieve a FISA warrant, the FBI called him an agent of a foreign government.  [FISA APPLICATION]  To get the FISA application approved they used the Christopher Steele Dossier.

Up to now the operating assumption has been that the FBI used the Steele Dossier to get the FISA warrant approved. They used the FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign.

However, if you assess the context of the time-frame; and consider the Trump campaign was already under surveillance from the July 31st “EC”; and then overlay the aspects around Carter Page that have never made sense; a different picture emerges.

The FBI didn’t need the FISA warrant for additional investigation.  The FBI needed a Russia narrative and to protect themselves from Trump. The FBI needed the Steele Dossier to justify their pre-existing investigation and mount a defense in the event of a Trump victory.

It was the Steele Dossier they needed.

What is Fusion-GPS’s Steele Dossier without Carter Page?

Without Carter Page, the Steele Dossier is an assembled political file with a bunch of speculative claims about the opposition campaign of a presidential candidate. Without Carter Page, the Steele Dossier is a binder of information, a file, sitting on a desk at the FBI essentially useless.  It also came in AFTER their surveillance/investigation began.

How could the FBI ever justify investigating the opposition research of a rival candidate for office? How could they ever get past the sourcing issues? How could they explain their blind eye to the provenance? How could they ever justify using the Steele Dossier?

They need some justification to exploit the Dossier. The FBI needed to use Carter Page as a way to inject the Steele Dossier into a pre-existing investigation of the Trump campaign.

The FBI didn’t use the Steele Dossier as a way to exploit Carter Page for a FISA warrant against the Trump campaign. The FBI used Carter Page as a way to inject the Steele Dossier into a pre-existing investigation of the Trump campaign.

Carter Page was never an actual target any more than Russia interference was genuine threat within the campaigns.  Both were complete fabrications.  Despite calling him an agent of a foreign government, Carter Page was never charged.  However, for the sake of protecting themselves, and continuing to keep a President Trump undermined, it was the Dossier that was important, not the FISA warrant.  To get the dossier “in” they needed Carter Page.

With the Dossier in the official investigative bloodstream, the FBI could exploit the content and their media allies could assist in framing an actual, albeit completely fabricated, Russian conspiracy narrative. The Russia narrative could then serve multiple purposes and even launch another FBI investigation in May 2017 per Andrew McCabe.

Once the FBI and Robert Mueller had used the Steele Dossier to generate the needed narrative; and once the counterintelligence investigation into Paul Manafort, George Papadopoulos, Michael Flynn and Michael Cohen had successfully ensnared them and Mueller shut them down on unrelated issues; then the dossier had exhausted its usefulness, and was dispatched along with the FISA on Carter Page.

Once Manafort, Papadopoulos, Flynn and Cohen were under control, all efforts were on “obstruction” 24/7/365.

No wonder Christopher Steele was surprised to hear his Dossier work product was used to launch a counterintelligence investigation…. because, here’s the key takeaway, it wasn’t.

The Dossier was used to validate and justify, albeit fraudulently, a pre-existing investigation.  That pre-existing counterintelligence investigation, a political surveillance operation under the color of FBI legitimacy, originated from the sketchy Brennan intelligence operation in early 2016.

“I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office -that there’s no way he gets elected- but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk.  It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40.”

Carter Page was not accused of being an agent of a foreign government to get a FISA warrant; that was secondary.  Carter Page was accused of being an agent of a foreign government to get the Dossier into the investigation.

It was the Dossier that became important and useful in mid-October 2016, not Carter Page.  One of the issues that raised the joint DOJ importance and FBI urgency was realizing they were going to have to do something before the election with the Weiner/Abedin laptop, which they announced on October 27th.

[…] “We found that what changed between September 29 and October 27 that finally prompted the FBI to take action was not new information about what was on the Weiner laptop but rather the inquiries from the SDNY prosecutors and then from the Department. The only thing of significance that had changed was the calendar and the fact that people outside of the FBI were inquiring about the status of the Weiner laptop.” (IG Report pg 331)


It was the dossier they needed most, not Carter Page.

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464 Responses to Carter Page Had a More Important Use Beyond a FISA Warrant….

  1. Maquis says:

    “The Dossier was used to validate and justify, albeit fraudulently, a pre-existing investigation. That pre-existing counterintelligence investigation, a political surveillance operation under the color of FBI legitimacy, originated from the sketchy Brennan intelligence operation in early 2016.”

    As the Obama Weaponization of Government Agencies was already in full swing prior to the beginning of the 2016 election season, it’s even possible that the almost inevitable feeding frenzy over the “Russian Collusion” debacle was hoped to obscure the manifest abuses that long preceded it.

    I say this business began long before, say, 2009, January on…

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    • MightyMustardSeed says:

      Amen Marquis – BO weaponized his presidency (Lois Lerner)

      BO did not love America. He didn’t want to lead us, he wanted to rule us.

      Liked by 3 people

    • concerned3 says:

      Prove the connection to Obama, otherwise this will continue – the sooner the better.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Debra says:

      Have to agree. The long-term plan was an Obama For Life one.

      The use of the IC was being investigated in the sweep up of Clinton scandals. Those scandals thus involved Obama appointees, hence, she could not be found culpable of wrongdoing for any of that.

      But, she could also NOT become president, as then she would be vulnerable to unwanted (by TPTB) manipulation. Plus, Barack really didn’t want to keep working with her.

      The plot, IMHO:

      1). Set up a foreign influence charge on WHOMEVER won the election.

      2). Since whomever won was almost already pre-determined, and because she was already suspected of malfeasance, an ‘all clear’ on all the suspected stuff needed to occur prior to her gaining the Democrat nomination.

      3). After she got the nomination, and having gotten the assurance that the same mechanisms were in place that got Obama elected, Hillary got wind of the plan HE had to never leave the White House. She knew Obama could bring her down with a number of different ‘arrangements’ she made, and was in a state of befuddlement.

      4). Essentially, the Democrat’s were running Hillary (and making sure she won) without any intention of ever allowing her ascension to presidency. In between the election and the inauguration, my bet is on the notion that BRAND NEW charges of colluding with foreigners (Ukraine?) to affect our election would be leveled at her, thus removing anything she did in the Obama administration as being investigated, and instead have an investigation turning toward the election interference only.

      5). The media’s white knight would proclaim that, with this new development coming to light, the only prudent thing to do would be for him to suspend the election results and for him to remain in the White House.

      6). That PDJT was foiling this plan (and the polling indicated same would occur) AND Hillary both knew she was polling badly AND would never be allowed the presidency as long as Barack held the keys, she haphazardly, perhaps subconsciously, weakly campaigned, not actually wanting to lose, but also terrified at what was coming at her if she did.

      7). Obama’s mechanism for election win was thwarted by the sheer number (popular vote) of us deplorables in those states that a ‘mechanism’ was not thought needed to win. Once Hillary lost, Obama’s plan for a third term needed a quick reset.

      8). See number 1. Origination began REGARDLESS of whom won. With Trump, though, their origination made clear to Trump voters that we really do need to make America great AGAIN.

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      • Debra says:

        IMHO, Hillary singing could bring down the whole Democrat party; on the other hand, Obama claiming he saved us all from being with her, would have been treated with more idolatry of him.

        I believe President Trump has both factions of the Democrat party in his sights, and as such, is privately pressuring the Clinton Clan to come clean.

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      • tav144 says:

        That’s an interesting theory that would seem to be supported by notion by many that all of the candidates were being spied on.

        Liked by 1 person

        • railer says:

          I’d agree Deep State was spying on both candidates, and that Podesta and company would have filled the Manafort role, Flynn or equal would have done same, Page or equal would have as well.

          She would have been sworn into office though, if she’d won. But she would definitely have obstructed justice, unlike Trump, who was clever enough to provide all documents and witnesses without subpoena or assertion of executive privilege. Thus, Deep State would have controlled the White House if she’d won, while Trump is now free of these goons.


      • glissmeister says:

        I felt that in my bones at the time. There was something about his demeanor that left me with real concerns he might invent something to suspend or usurp the election and not leave office per normal; to invent a calamity; to declare martial law if necessary.


      • Chris says:

        I have been saying this for two years. The only difference; I feel; is that Obama destroyed Hillary to get Trump. They thought he would run for the hills (like most GOPe) when the charges were leveled. Pence couldn’t take over; as the inauguration had not occurred yet. Obama had the final solution to his transformation of America; he just came up a little short. I knew he was weak.


    • Mary Morse says:

      How is it that Robert De Niro can form partnerships with the Agalarovs for Nobu restaurant franchises in Moscow in 2009, and again in 2015, but when Donald Trump makes plans for a beauty pageant in Moscow in 2013, it’s suspicious?

      Is it because De Niro is an honorary board member of the International Spy Museum, according to the Financial Times?

      Click to access international-spy-museum-board-backgrounder-11717-2.pdf

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      • CharterOakie says:

        De Niro “in the circle of trust”?

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        • Mary Morse says:

          IDK. Check out the linked list of his fellow museum board members, all former CIA and a retired KGB spy?

          General Oleg Danilovich Kalugin, KGB (Ret.). A retired Major General in the 1st Chief Directorate of the KGB, General Kalugin was the youngest general in the history of the KGB. Early in his thirty-two year career, he worked undercover as a journalist while attending New York’s Columbia University and then conducted espionage and influence operations as a Radio Moscow correspondent with the United Nations. General Kalugin played a major role in the John Walker spy ring as Deputy Chief of the KGB station at the Soviet Embassy in Washington, DC. He was also an elected member of the Soviet parliament during Gorbachev’s administration and was one of the first reformers of the KGB. He is currently a professor at The Centre for Counterintelligence and Security Studies in Alexandria, Virginia.


  2. Anonymouse says:

    In addition to the requests relating to the Weiner/Abedin laptop there’s the other timeline you’ve pointed out in the past happening as parallel:

    September 26, 2016: National Security Division Head John Carlin files the government’s proposed 2016 Section 702 certifications. Carlin knew about NSA Admiral Rogers compliance review that was underway.

    September 27, 2016 Carlin submits his resignation (effective October 15, 2016)

    October 4, 2016: There is a follow up hearing regarding the 702 Certification. Carlin was at the hearing.

    October 15, 2016: Carlin leaves the National Security Division

    October 20, 2016: Admiral Rogers is briefed by the NSA compliance officer regarding the compliance audit. Numerous “About” query violations were identified.

    October 21, 2016: Admiral Rogers shuts down all “About” queries.

    October 21, 2016: DOJ and FBI file for a probably cause order authorizing the Carter Page surveillance. FISA Court doesn’t know about the violations.

    October 24, 2016: the government verbally informed the FISA Court of significant non-compliance with the NSA’s minimization procedures. (Thank you NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers)

    October 26, 2016: Admiral Rogers appears formally before the FISA Court to present the compliance audit findings.

    Certainly the Weiner/Abedin laptop pressure AND the “About” query compliance issues together created a strong need for FBI/DOJ to find a way to cover up bad acts.

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  3. TradeBait says:

    All of this just increases our hunger for PDT’s and America’s redemption as the evil doers receive their just rewards.

    Liked by 1 person

  4. Greg1 says:

    Just saw on Perino a few minutes ago part of a few questions being asked of the President regarding the Mueller report.

    President Trump pointed out, among other things, that he had been being investigated “practically since I came down on the elevator”.

    He clearly understands the investigations began before the fbi said they did.

    He told the reporters they were all missing out on a Pulitzer in not looking into the origins of the investigations against him. And that very illegal and possibly treasonous things had been done by very bad people aligned against him.


    I think he knows EVERYTHING.

    And I don’t believe he will let ANY of it go.

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    • SR says:

      Obama hates PTrump a lot and he did everything to stop PTrump.


    • Joemama says:

      So Sundance is going to get a Pulitzer!

      Liked by 4 people

    • Palmettoman says:

      POTUS tweeted just the other day after McCain’s assistant, David Kramer’s, deposition court docs were unsealed that McCain was involved with the media and the dems BEFORE the election. Kramer is the person who went to England to obtain a copy of the dossier from a British source.

      Since early 2017, McCain only admitted to personally giving the dossier to Comey saying it was the patriotic thing to do. He emphatically denied discussing it with any other government agency or the media. LIES…

      With the unsealing of Kramer’s deposition, we now know Kramer (i.e. McCain) shopped the dossier to multiple media outlets. Buzzfeed was the first outlet to publish it.

      The most interesting thing is this supposedly occurred (McCain–>Comey & Media) AFTER the election. (at least that’s all we currently know)

      POTUS doesn’t make mistakes like this. He knows something that we don’t yet know about the dossier media shopping and McCain’s involvement. McCain was hip-deep in this whole operation from the get-go. POTUS just told us.

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    • Countrywatch says:

      Agree, Greg. Remember also that FISA can work both ways. Use the enemy’s weapons legally against them. President Trump does indeed know it all.

      Liked by 1 person

      • cowboy says:

        noticed that the system of recording everything doesn’t work anymore and should be dismantled…likely because DJT is now using it and they are afeared.

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  5. The Mueller Investigation spent $30,000,000 of American’s hard earned tax dollars, to operate a ‘special counsel’ to ‘investigate’ their own actions – and we get the bill.

    Their target was Donald J Trump. They had no crime, but that was not the purpose. Not surprising, their traps for Trump all came up empty.

    Keeping the cloud over President Trump for as long as possible, served a three fold purpose. They hid their despicable deeds inside this ‘special counsel’. They stalled their work to have the maximum impact on the 2018 mid term elections. It bought time to engineer an obstruction charge, in concert with the newly democratic House.

    675 days: it cost us $44,444.44 per day

    300 pages: this equates to $100,000 per page

    Let’s bill Clinton, BO, Rice, Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Baker, McCabe, Strzok, Page, Lynch, Yates, Rosenstein, Mueller, Weismann et all punitively.

    There IS NO monetary figure that can compensate for the damage done to this country.

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  6. jmuniz1 says:

    I hope our President is aware of this site. Sundance does he no about this site its the best.?


  7. ezduzit63 says:

    I believe that when Rogers informed Trump of wiretapping…that Brennan & Clapper had possibly used malware installed to also link Trump to Alpha Bank in which was later debunked. There was also a report by Rogers that wasn’t widely reported that showed “queries” which may have shown the breach. The Report was later released…

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  8. ezduzit63 says:

    Great work as always Sundance!

    Liked by 1 person

    • Maquis says:

      Dude. Maybe you could consider using an icon that doesn’t suggest to readers that you are Sundance himself?

      Just a respectful request.


  9. Lactantius says:

    When discussing judges, it has now become apparent that judicial conduct being tied to the concepts of integrity and independence is too often farce.

    The Code of Conduct for United States Judges:

    Canon 1: A Judge Should Uphold the Integrity and Independence of the Judiciary: An independent and honorable judiciary is indispensable to justice in our society. A judge should maintain and enforce high standards of conduct and should personally observe those standards, so that the integrity and independence of the judiciary may be preserved. The provisions of this Code should be construed and applied to further that objective.
    Canon 2: A Judge Should Avoid Impropriety and the Appearance of Impropriety in All Activities
    Canon 3: A Judge Should Perform the Duties of the Office Fairly, Impartially and Diligently
    Canon 4: A Judge May Engage in Extrajudicial Activities That are Consistent With the Obligations of Judicial Office
    Canon 5: A Judge Should Refrain From Political Activity

    The “Rule of Law” becomes meaningless if the society is given reason to believe that integrity is optional and that the judiciary is rife with political / ideological bias.

    The FISA Court has some important ‘splain’ to do. It is Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States John Roberts who is the Lord High Muckety-Muck overseeing the FISA Court. It is time for him to question the Code of Conduct of the FISA Court for not bearing down on the DOJ in regard to “misdirection” concerning the validity of information given by the DOJ to the FISA Court.

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  10. Daniel says:

    I have finally, in more detail, re-read the timeline — it gets easier after a couple of reads to follow.

    To this, I’d like to add sometime Dan Bongino has pointed out. The script behind the dossier is recycled material which was apparently used once against John McCain when it was Obama v. McCain for president. The Bush administration’s FBI tipped McCain off and the plan was foiled. Bongino provides documented evidence of this “Russia collusion” scheme in older NYT articles.

    So the Fusion GPS work wasn’t created for Trump, but rather it was updated for Trump. Not sure it makes much difference as a bit of a technical detail, but there it is.

    But the detail that it was a Republican backer who initially funded Fusion GPS’s activities? Not so sure about that. I’d be glad to read anything which proves this is wrong, though.

    Again, over all, I don’t see these differences in details to be all that meaningful.

    I think the biggest takeaway from this is the fact that the dossier was not the basis for investigations into Trump. Their original investigations didn’t really have a good factual basis at all. It’s that the dossier was used (just as the “by the book” memo) as justification as part of the coverup of their illegal activities.

    I think Bongino agrees with this assessment in general I think. His prior coverage from a few days ago appears to back this point of view.

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    • apcharles says:


      Where GPS Fusion was getting their original financing from is a rather trivial thing at this point.

      They reported it was Rubio’s campaign that contract them first, and they were digging dirt on all GOP candidates for Rubio because of the Primary. That makes sense.

      It also makes sense that after Rubio had his Little Marco rear end beat to death in the primaries, his campaign needed to suspend all operations and add no more debt, such as a contract paying GPS Fusion.

      It also makes sense that Hillary would pick up where they left off and hire GPS Fusion, since they already had a built-in infrastructure in place and research they would want.

      Up to this point, nothing is out of norm.

      Where it does get away from the norm, and where it does matter, is that GPS Fusion conspired with foreign spy Michael Steel, who conspired with Russian spies to create a phony dossier on Trump. This matters because we’ve been told that any contact with foreign entities to get dirt on the opposition is “collusion” or “conspiracy” or whatever. But its apparently a crime that should have anyone that participated in handcuffs and solitary confinement.

      What does matter is that Hillary Clinton, the DNC are responsible for any activity conducted by Fusion GPS, irrespective, of whether they knew how they were getting the info or not. The moment they hired them as a vendor, they have a legal obligation to ensure that GPS Fusion is following the law.

      What I do want to know, however, is whether or not any of this Michael Steele/Russia stuff was happening while Rubio was financing GPS Fusion. If so, they too should be found liable and responsible.

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      • nimrodman says:

        “This matters because we’ve been told that any contact with foreign entities to get dirt on the opposition is “collusion” or “conspiracy” or whatever.”

        Yeah, but you don’t expect the Left to live up to the same standards they impose on us, do you?

        That’s a fool’s errand

        So – for them – it absolutely DOESN’T matter


      • apcharles – you meant to say Christopher Steele. Michael Steele is former RNC Chairman.


      • Maquis says:

        I’d like to know if Rubio and friends were colluding with Clinton and friends before the Fusion GPS hand-off.

        Was Rubio another Clinton cut-out, like Perkins-Coie, that had to be ditched when he imploded?


  11. Bruce_Dern's_Finger says:

    From the article:
    “Billionaire Paul Singer, a Rubio backer, drops funding for Fusion-GPS Trump research; the DNC and Clinton campaign take over the payments.”

    Rubio is an anchor baby born to two non-U.S. citizen parents and therefore not a natural born Citizen. A natural born Citizen is a person born in the U.S.A. to two U.S. citizen parents. He [Rubio] was a fraudulent presidential primary contender.

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    • Maquis says:

      As was Cruz. Constitutional scholar my ass.

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    • Issy says:

      I have seen things in the last ten years I never would have believed possible on the U. S., Therefore, it wouldn’t surprise me to see an illegal running for President in a few years. To the leftist, The Constitution is merely a guideline.


    • As was BHO the usurper (assuming BO the Kenyan was his father)…if Frank Marshall Davis was the sperm donor then he may have been born to 2 US citizens. But he was a Red Diaper Baby/Manchurian Candidate/Empty Suit/Fraudster regardless of parentage!


  12. Another Scott says:

    Why does the FBI always jump through so many hoops? Just tell us the lie you want us to believe up front and we’ll all get on with our lives


  13. Liberty Preserve says:

    @realDonaldTrump @DonaldJTrumpJr
    @dbongino @jsolomonReports @SaraCarterDC @seanhannity you need to watch this George Webb video and comment George has a whistleblower who says Papdop and Carter Page were spies with mission to take down Trump and warns the effort continues today. Beware of Barr, Rosenstein, Bush, Cheney, Comey, etc.


  14. Guffman says:

    At its root, all these corrupt Intel agencies and officials ran a very keystone cops ruse. Those who care to look at the facts so far exposed can CLEARLY see what went on. Laughable, except for the fact they still have so many officials in the DOJ and FBI (amongst others), politicians (including R’s even!) – not to mention a completely corrupt and bought mainstream media – doing everything in their powers to keep the simple and utterly disgraceful truth from being exposed.

    Every day it becomes more obvious that the corruption in the system runs so very deep, that one has to wonder if the cancer has metastasized beyond any cure at this point, short of VERY extreme measures.
    I honestly can’t see the US holding together with endless investigative committee hearings – often comprised, and sometimes controlled, by the very evil that is supposed to be rooted out.

    Over two years later and not so much as a single person arrested yet. The nation can’t wait much longer.

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  15. nimrodman says:

    DOJ’s Bruce Ohr Shared Email Address with Fusion GPS Contractor Wife

    … where emails were exchanged with both Christopher Steele and Bruce Simpson of Fusion GPS

    Both Bruce and Nellie do some jabbering about not reading each others’ emails – yeah, that’d the ticket.

    Then there’s the old Draft/Unsent trick that can be played

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  16. Ace of Space says:

    Would any of the Judges know that Carter Page was a super double secret probation undercover paid informant of the FBI? Funny, the media claims he went to Russia a lot to teach, lecture, who knows what, even when the exactly know that he was FBI informant playing along in their quest to nail Russian agents, etc. Media is overlooking and hoping nobody figures that out, but too late…caught, he is and was and not even indicted, prosecuted or investigated, it is sooooo obvious he has immunity and established he will not get in trouble for helping FBI for the service of the country but then they use him to get false FISA warrants to wire tap him but really wire tap entire campaign or after the fact since they were wire tapping Trump a while back? Carter Page knows this and needs to come clean and explain this live on Hannity or Carlson, he is definitely holding back for some reason. Maybe he struck deal with FBI not to talk? Or he was involved in FBI sting to plant himself in the Trump campaign to dig up dirt? Or they paid him to use his Russia trip as a way to get FISA to wire tap and spy on Trump, etc. THIS IS THE SMOKING GUN! Carter Page was an FBI asset and not a spy but they got FISA warrant on him………….Trump needs to Tweet that out, “Carter Page worked for the FBI? But he was the target of a FISA warrant application to spy on me, how can FBI get a warrant to spy on me if this guy was employed by them……”

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    • Mary Morse says:

      “Carter Page was a super double secret probation undercover paid informant of the FBI”…

      I’ll go one further. What if Carter Page was some other kind of intelligence, a White Hat like Adm. Rogers, sent into the campaign to investigate election interference and spying by Democrats?


    • Sugarhillhardrock says:

      I raised this earlier today in this Thread. Wasn’t it risky to use Page ? What if a FISC judge had recognized the name from a previous warrant application.

      I don’t get his “Conversion” from asset to spy.


    • Brenrod says:

      LOL, he can’t talk because it’s classified


  17. konradwp1 says:

    Sorry Sundance. Normally your work is very good. But this reanalysis simply doesn’t work. You don’t put a jigsaw together with scissors and a hammer. Look at all the pieces you cut off to make things fit!

    The idea that the FISA was used to legitimise the dossier dirt simply doesn’t fit.

    First, they had 6 ways from Sunday (to coin a phrase) to get the dossier dirt into circulation. They had Steele to push stories from it into the media on Simpsons instruction. They had Steele to FBI through Strzok. They had Steele to DOJ through Bruce. They had Nellie to Brennan who then attaches it to the Joint Intelligence Report. And they had McCain to put it through the GOP laundry.

    To use a FISA application to legitimise it wasn’t needed and would have been incredibly risky due to the high likelihood of Woods procedures violation being flagged.

    Now let’s look at what you had to cut off. First is Nellie Ohr a Russian expert offering her services to fusion GPS in late 2015. Text messages between Strzok / Page about OCONUS lures in late 2015. Nellie’s testimony that her research focused on Trump peoples travel and any meetings they had with “suspicious persons”. It is clear that the “get Trump” operation was planned from before 2016.

    The analysis that works is this: Nellie was supposed to “find” something: Trump people meeting with dodgy Russians. The plan fails because the OCONUS lures fail to get Trump people to meet Russians and Admiral Mike Rogers catches the NSA database searches tracking Trump people and shuts down contractor access to the database.

    It is clear that NSA database opposition research then continues from IC employees (instead of contractors) resulting in the Rogers/Carlin race to the all agencies 702 shutdown on 24 October 2016.

    They didn’t want to use the dossier for the FISA application. They didn’t want to use Cater Page, a paid FBI informant, as the target. But they needed a FISA title 1 warrant. Using the dossier and Page was an dangerous act carried out by desperate people. Rogers had caught them spying. They needed that warrant to retrospectively justify their crimes.

    In the end, all that desperate act bought them was time. A 2 ½ year delay on justice for the guilty. But now the day of judgement has arrived.

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    • Sugarhillhardrock says:

      You too are struck by the danger of using Page, the long time asset, suddenly Russian spy connected to DJT.

      Maybe you are right, they were desperate for the warrant to cover up the illegal 4th Amendment actions they had already done, and slopily inserted Page.

      I am really looking forward to the answer to why they used him. If he was a plant, and the applicants didn’t tell the FISC, but characterized him as a Russian agent…….wow…..its enormously criminal.

      It does smack of reverse engineering desperation, very risky if some FISC judge is paying attention.

      The answer to this Page use issue will be fascinating.

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    • Brenrod says:

      Got them back the house


  18. mary morse says:

    Carter Page actually went to Russia. He even delivered a policy paper and met with Russians at a Russian university in the summer of 2016.

    I would add a couple events t this excellent timeline:

    1) O’Bum’s hiring of Fusion GPS thru Perkins-Coie in 2012 for opposition research on Mittens. (See Isikoff, Russian Roulette)

    2) Michael Gaeta’s meeting with Steele in London, blessed by Victoria Nuland’s approval on July 5, 2016, weeks before the claimed opening of the investigation. (Isikoff, Russian Roulette),+on+July+5,+Gaeta+arrived%22&source=bl&ots=fXCXDEtDNv&sig=yiQ4ZQQ2T_zumLXnHwpJNdjCRzY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwimuPSq6eDdAhVHTJAKHVFOCTsQ6AEwAHoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Within%20a%20few%20days%2C%20on%20July%205%2C%20Gaeta%20arrived%22&f=false

    This is an interesting account in which Isikoff discusses the history of Steele and Orbis Intel and its creation in 2009, as well as it’s history with the State Dept and FBI.

    He also gives an account of Donald Trump’s meetings with the Agalarovs in Moscow and in Las Vegas in 2013 related to the Miss Universe Moscow pageant. This account, IMO, suggests the origin of the piss dossier, a nightclub in Vegas where Donald Trump met with the Agalarovs, and others including George Soro’s son. When in Moscow in 2013, Donald Trump and the Agalarovs lunched at Nobu, according to Isikoff. It must have been the first Moscow Nobu franchise, because the second Nobu franchise didn’t open until Nov. 2015.

    We’ve all seen the photos of Donald Trump’s meetings in Las Vegas with the Agalarovs, Rob Goldstone, Michaell Cohen and others, but I’d never seen these photos taken in November 2015:

    from this site:
    …” In April 2009, Nobu Moscow opened its doors to the capital, the result of a partnership between Nobu Matsuhisa, Robert De Niro, Meir Teper and Aras and Emin Agalarov.”… These photos are from the opening of a second partnership between De Niro, etal, and the Agalarovs in November 2015.

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  19. faridrushdi says:

    All of this made me just now think of Watergate. I lived in DC and read the Post every day back then. I recall that first story that appeared just after the break-in and it mentioned one of the burglars was a former CIA agent. I showed my dad and he said, “Nixon probably hired them to dig for dirt on the Democrats.” There was silence in the room for a moment & then we both broke out in laughter. “No one is THAT stupid” he said. I learned about occam’s razor that day. Usually, the simplest solution is the right one.

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    • Atthispointwhatdifferencedoesitmake says:

      NO, John Dean was the mastermind of Watergate , and then set up Nixon , Read G Gordon Liddy’s book and the Book Silent Coup for what transpired.


    • TJ says:

      In taking Nixon down, that elite was not motivated by any love of law or the Constitution. It was driven by hatred.

      The media and political establishment hated Nixon for his lead role in nailing Alger Hiss as a Soviet spy and in blistering its New Deal heroes as witless dupes of Joseph Stalin.

      It hated Nixon because he rallied the nation against them, when he called on the “Great Silent Majority” to stand with him for peace with honor in Vietnam, and turned Vice President Agnew loose on them to the delight of a nation that had come to detest media arrogance and bias.

      Yes, Watergate Was A Coup D’Etat


  20. George says:

    I have wondered why James Wolfe leaked the Page FISA application to ALI Watkins. The support it generated in the media for the dossier is consistent with Sundance’s new theory. Time will tell.

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    • Hmmm... says:

      Same reason they invaded Roger Stone’s house with an FBI swat team: to provoke an actionable response from President Trump. Think of the restraint he had. He knew they were lying about wire tapping the campaign. They knew that he knew they were lying about it. All the hot-headed articles about President Trump made them believe that he would act irrationally. You cannot be a master of the deal and act based on emotion. Making good decisions requires separating emotion from the process but they fell for the fake news descriptions of his temperament.

      When you consider the Mueller team was just the small group reincarnated then their actions and goals prior to Mueller would have been the same. It was a risk they took revealing the FISA but they figured it would get results before the blowback came. They figured wrong.

      My take anyways. Lots of pieces start to fit together when you consider Comey (the obstruction and process crime expert) was involved and there are texts referring to Watergate. If you assume obstruction was the goal (barring the uncovering of a crime through surveillance) then many of Mueller’s actions make a lot of sense.

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  21. William Schneider says:

    Sundance your Sherlock Holmes analysis rings true for me. Macabre yes, true sadly!! Thanks again for working this out for us who lack the time and info and intellect. Again I hope you have the presidents ear one way or another.


  22. Pyrthroes says:

    Most certainly, Rats’ rotting fishhead dates from January 2009. Through 2012 – ’14, Gangrenous contented hissef’ with backalley domestic conspiracies-to-defraud under color of law, aided and abetted by Iranian agent-of-influence Valerie Jarrett and MzBill’s gallery of treasonous grotesques.

    For 4 – 6+ years, this was the sorriest crew of mealworm phonies since Joe Kennedy’s Capone days, likewise Whitey Bulger’s 20-year Boston Statehouse reign shuffling decks with psychopathic careerist Robert Mueller, notorious for sentencing known innocents to life imprisonment pending posthumous $100 million settlements, not one red cent of which impacted Bucket Bob’s own wallet.

    Rats are fool enough to think that War in the Vendee was an exception. Wrong– though 1793 does not come often, when it does the Vendee always follows. And this time, my little chickadees, it will be your Lenin-Stalin-Maoist Hitlerites that bear the brunt.


  23. Dave says:

    My conspiracy theory is even more extreme. I suspect Carter Page was a plant. All of the info we think we know about him is just a subterfuge to cover up his involvement. The FISA warrant for example was not aimed at survelleince on Page but rather those who might call Page. But on the other hand who would suspect the target of a FISA warrant of being a plant?

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    • Sugarhillhardrock says:

      Given all the other Halper, Mifsud, etc attempts to create contact inside DJT’s campaign, perhaps Page was inserted. He had a long track record of usefulness.

      I’m just struck by the risk of him being included in the FISA application.


    • Brenrod says:

      Page always behaved like he knew he was never in any danger, as if he was still working for the FBI as a UCE.


  24. Republicanvet91 says:

    “Knowing what you know now about the CIA/DOJ/FBI Trump-operation, watching this in hindsight might just blow your mind.”

    There is NO WAY Granny Grifter did not know all of the details involving this setup.

    Somebody from this cabal needs their nuts in a vise until they squeal.


  25. Mike says:

    QUESTION – If Comey was the Point man on the Hillary team, why did he announce that she was under investigation shortly before the election.

    ANSWER – He wanted to make sure that she understood that the deep state was still in charge although the deep state was SURE she would be elected in spite of this. Surprise, surprise, this might have actually cost her the election.


  26. Joe says:

    They are out to destroy this country. Get ready for Obama vs. Trump 2020. The most divisive campaign ever.


  27. Brenrod says:

    Thank you Sundance for noticing the biggest sore thumb: That Carter page could not possibly have been Considered a Russian agent by our FBI at the time of the FISA application. I have always suspected that Carter page knew he was being used as a FBI UCE during the FBI FISA surveillance of him. He was never worried, he was always smiling. Either the FBI lied to the FISA court about Carter page when they represented him as a Russian spy or there is the possibility that the FISA Court was complicit in the coup and knew he was still an FBI UCE, That the clutch participated in the scheme.


  28. thegoosefish says:

    Still curious…why Page? Was he the only person doing some business with Russian companies? Or was he compliant, or what?


  29. Broadsman says:

    I would love getting a list of all the people who were ultimately surveilled based on the FISA warrent. Even just to total number of American citizens who had their privacy compromised would be nice but the names are important.

    If your name was on the list as having been wiretapped by the feds based on the fraudulent FISA warrant, then you have a tort against those individuals who perpetrated the fraud.

    In other words, SUE the bastards!


  30. StillHere says:

    Why aren’t people talking about this whole thing being an attempt by the UK to take over
    the United States? These people spell It out clearly- the whole connection from Christopher Steele to Richard Deerlove to the Queen’s Privy Council:


  31. Lee says:

    CP was on w/ Maria Barteloma this morn, he said ‘well we’re both CFR’, meaning he and Maria!


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