Has President Trump Forgotten The Declassification Material He Delayed then Deferred?…

President Trump asks: “Are these “dirty cops” going to pay a big price for the fraud they committed?” 

However, the only person who can honestly answer that question is the person in the mirror when President Trump brushes his teeth.   Perhaps forgotten…

In the spring of 2018 a group of congressional reps led by Devin Nunes, Mark Meadows, Jim Jordan, Matt Gaetz, Louie Gohmert, Lee Zeldin and Bob Goodlatte, asked President Trump to declassify a series of documents so the public could see how former officials in the DOJ & FBI abused their offices and conducted political surveillance.

In September of 2018, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein asked President Trump not to declassify those same documents until after the Mueller probe was complete.  Rosenstein informed the President (confirmed in later POTUS interviews) that declassifying the material could be interpreted as impeding the Mueller investigation.

Two months later, in November 2018, the mid-term election took place.  Republicans lost the House and their committee chairs.  Many people suspected (I concur) the mid-term election was the real motive for the Sept. 2018 request from Rosenstein.  Four months after the mid-term, March 2019, the Mueller investigation of President Trump ended.

Two months after the Mueller probe ended U.S. Attorney General Bill Barr, a profoundly supportive voice for DAG Rosenstein, asked President Trump to grant him unilateral declassification authority to assist the purposes and intents of his DOJ effort.  President Trump granted U.S. Attorney General Bill Barr with the authority to declassify on May 23rd, 2019; granting access to the same documents requested by congress a year earlier.

May 23, 2019:

Each time President Trump has come close to declassifying the material someone from the DOJ intercepts the anticipated action and blocks the release.  In 2018 it was DAG Rod Rosenstein. In 2019 it was AG Bill Barr…. Both motives identical.

Amid the twists and turns many people have forgotten about the material congress asked President Trump to declassify two-years-ago.  Additionally there has been some material cited that just seemingly slipped away without follow-up.  Consider:

  • Whatever happened to the forty pages of Lisa Page and Andrew McCabe text messages that Catherine Herridge noted nine months ago?  Herridge only published four of the pages in March 2019.
  • Why are the Lisa Page and Peter Strzok text messages still redacted two years after their original release (December 1st, 2017)?
  • Where’s the release of the Susan Rice inauguration day memo to the file?
  • Why didn’t the DOJ/FBI release all of the Bruce Ohr 302’s without redaction?  Will those fully unredacted 302’s be part of the IG report release?
  • Where’s the unredacted David Archey FBI declarations that were previously ordered to be released by a DC judge?
  • The Mueller investigation ended 9 months ago.  Why are we still not able to see the  unredacted three authorization memos that Rosenstein gave to the special counsel on May 17th, August 2nd and October 20th, 2017?

Those simple questions (and releases) are in addition to the original list that congress provided to President Trump back in the spring of 2018.  A declassification list that DAG Rod Rosenstein asked President Trump not to release until after the Mueller investigation.

  • All versions of the Carter Page FISA applications.
  • All of the Bruce Ohr 302’s filled out by the FBI. [Without redactions]
  • All of Bruce Ohr’s emails. All supportive documents and material provided by Bruce Ohr to the FBI. [Without redactions]
  • All relevant documents pertaining to the supportive material within the FISA application.
  • All intelligence documents that were presented to the Gang of Eight in 2016 that pertain to the FISA application used against U.S. person Carter Page; including all intelligence documents that may not have been presented to the FISA Court. Presumably this would include the revealed State Dept Kavalac email; and the FBI transcripts from wiretaps of George Papadopoulos (also listed in Carter Page FISA). [AKA ‘Bucket Five’]
  • All unredacted text messages and email content between Lisa Page and Peter Strzok on all devices.
  • The originating CIA “EC” or two-page electronic communication from former CIA Director John Brennan to FBI Director James Comey that started Operation Crossfire Hurricane in July 2016.

Additionally, since the 2018 list was developed, more information surfaced about the underlying material.  This created the tell-tale sign of a document trail that is easily followed:

♦ The August 2nd, 2017, two-page scope memo provided by DAG Rod Rosenstein to special counsel Robert Mueller to expand the fraudulent Trump investigation, and initiate the more purposeful obstruction of justice investigation. Also the October 20th, 2017, third scope memo that expanded the investigation again, and targeted additional people including Michael Flynn’s family. The Scope Memos are keys to unlocking the underlying spy/surveillance cover-up. [SEE HERE and SEE HERE]

♦ The July 31st, 2016, Crossfire Hurricane counterintelligence operation originated from a scheme within the intelligence apparatus.  The CIA operation  created the originating “Electronic Communication” memo. Declassify that two-page “EC” document that Brennan gave to Comey.  [The trail is found within the Weissmann report and the use of Alexander Downer – SEE HERE]

♦ Release and declassify all of the Comey memos that document the investigative steps taken by the FBI as an outcome of the operation coordinated by CIA Director John Brennan in early 2016.  [The trail was memorialized by James Comey – SEE HERE]  Release and declassify the declarations of FBI Agent David Archey that describe the purpose of the Comey memos:

♦ Reveal the November 2015 through April 2016 FISA-702 search query abuse by declassifying the April 2017 court opinion written by FISC Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer. Show the FBI contractors behind the 85% fraudulent search queries. [Crowdstrike? Fusion-GPS? Nellie Ohr? Daniel Richman?]  This was a weaponized surveillance and domestic political spying operation. [The trail was laid down in specific detail by Judge Collyer – SEE HERE]

♦ Did anyone question former DOJ-NSD (National Security Division) head John Carlin, and get his testimony about why he hid the abuse from the FISA court in October 2016; why the DOJ-NSD rushed the Carter Page application to beat NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers to the FISA court; and why did John Carlin quit immediately thereafter?

♦ The Carter Page FISA application (October 2016) was fraudulent, and likely based on deceptions to the FISA Court. Declassify the entire document, and release the transcripts of those who signed the application(s); and/or depose those who have not yet testified. The creation of the Steele Dossier was the cover-up operation. [SEE HERE]  What version of the FISA application will be released (if at all)?

♦ Release all of the Lisa Page and Peter Strzok text messages without redactions. Let sunlight pour in on the actual conversation(s) that were taking place when Crossfire Hurricane (July ’16) and the FISA Application (Oct ’16) were taking place.  The current redactions were made by the people who weaponized the intelligence system for political surveillance and spy operation.  This is likely why Page and Strzok texts were redacted!

♦ Release all of Bruce Ohr 302’s without redactions.  And FBI notes from interviews and debriefing sessions, and other relevant documents associated with the interviews of Bruce Ohr and his internal communications. Including exculpatory evidence that Bruce Ohr may have shared with FBI Agent Joseph Pientka. [And did anyone get a deposition from this Pientka fella?] Bruce Ohr is the courier, carrying information from those outside to those on the inside.

If President Trump genuinely wants to deal with the FBI issue… All he has to do is remind himself what congressional allies wanted almost two years ago; and release the requested documentation… everything after that becomes much easier.

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507 Responses to Has President Trump Forgotten The Declassification Material He Delayed then Deferred?…

  1. valuethetruth says:

    I neither “trust the plan” nor follow Q, but it is curious that Sundance wastes so much time and energy at the Treehouse fostering doubts about President Trump. I do trust, however, the president’s words to the assembled press on November 8, 2019: “I caught the swamp. I caught them all. Let’s see what happens. Nobody else could have done that but me.”

    Perhaps he should have added, “Shout out to Sundance! Help a brother out and don’t sling negativity while I work at my own chosen pace!”

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    • dallasdan says:

      “I neither “trust the plan” nor follow Q, but it is curious that Sundance wastes so much time and energy at the Treehouse fostering doubts about President Trump.”

      With one sentence you revealed your ignorance of SD’s tedious, thorough, and encyclopedic cataloging and objective analyses of all things coup-related. There is neither an iota of waste in his efforts nor the slightest lack in his faith regarding the President’s intent and effort to combat a Deep State that wins its share of battles with him. JMO

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      • lolli says:

        👍dallasdan

        IMO, when PT said they caught them all, i think it was PT and Guilliani who caught them all. The “we’ll see”, was the question pointed at DOJ.
        ?

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        • dallasdan says:

          Yep. He may have “caught them all,” but the DOJ must initiate meaningful criminal investigations, seek indictments, and commence prosecutions. There are no obvious or even subtle indications that any of those things are happening.

          The President is on an island, and he knows it.

          JMO

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          • John-Y128 says:

            Maybe after his re-election, he’ll take the gloves off, but it won’t matter, he’ll be a lame duck president. AG Barr seems to be focused on the IC, Brennan among others and Rep. Nunes is focused on the ICIG, the WB and the pencil neck connection.

            That said, didn’t Sen. Graham, when asked by Maria B. [FBN], what he was doing as the newest chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee about FISA abuse, etc. and he said “I’m waiting on the IG report”, well that’s been out awhile and he hasn’t done chit!

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          • Old Vet says:

            The recent declaration by Huber of “no crime” analysis for the Clinton’s should give you a real heads up about where this will go…..NO WHERE!!

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            • Dekester says:

              Guistra. The Canadian Billionaire that facilitated the Uranium one deal with Clinton.

              A few CTH supporters may not know, he owns the Waterfront estate that Prince Andrew and Megan Markle are staying at in Sidney, B.C.

              Geesh, if only the word could get out that the entire “progressive”movement is funded by the ultra wealthy and royalty of the world.

              The FBI CIA Judiciary and 90% of our political representatives have been bribed or blackmailed.

              Whether in Canada, the U.S. Australia or the U.K.

              They are all connected all the elites..PDJT knows this. Let us watch the master crush them.

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        • Brian in CA4 says:

          Yes, I think you’re correct.

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      • sysconfig says:

        SD loyalty has been steadfast and his skepticism has been spot on ..warning us these players from to down have made themselves virtually untouchable..which is why Lisa page can be out laughing at us after Hubers and IG horowitz report . They made it that way. Lawfare attys and Judges will keep it that way.. SD pointed out out every single deficiency in people and the law. And he is right..The buck now stops at Trump. It will take a lot of marches in Washington..and If Trump gives the word..we will come. and we won’t be smiling.

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      • Redzone says:

        PT has had impeachment hanging over his Presidency since almost day 1. This absolutely has affected his ability to deal with all the criminals.

        Let’s see what he does with an R House & R Senate with no threat of impeachment before we cast too many stones.

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        • Redzone says:

          This truly is David vs Goliath. We just don’t know who or what will be the slingshot.

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        • nobodyspecial1958 says:

          Always remember that God is real and is watching also. PT would not have gotten this far without a divine hand in this. We know vastly more amounts of things about the corruption that is out there than we did before his election, things we would not even have a clue about if Hillary had won. He has skated by by the skin of his teeth the whole time and withstood scrutiny that I really don’t know anyone else who could stand up to. All the time remaining poised and happy. While we fret and wonder what will happen, he continues to work. He is not stupid or unaware and he has shown an uncanny ability to navigate around a sea of snakes without getting bit. You know he is spied on continuously and probably doesn’t have total peace about what he eats or where he sleeps. He has endured years of unthankful second guessing and suspicious questioning, having left a life of luxury where everyone in his circle treated him with respect and good will. How long does he have to live? Who would want to spend the precious few years he has left tolerating what he goes through? At a minimum, we should honor his sacrifice and believe his good intentions, knowing that if he was shady they would already have crucified him. He doesn’t have to do this. You have to ask why. I don’t question his motives but I do almost everyone else. He will do as much as he can as quickly as he can, while balancing all the factions, and using what allies he can find, sometimes disregarding some things while focusing on other things, trying not to alienate key people that he needs, who may have their own agendas. He may pass on some things while attempting something else of a higher priority. We couldn’t take 1 day in his shoes. I am thankful. And you know, after he has done all that he can and rides off into the sunset, they will try to ruin his family, imprison him for life, and steal his money.

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          • souls cry says:

            Very intelligent commentary by you. Thank you. I share these considerations. The generosity this brilliant, wealthy man has shown me and my family is precious. The least I can do is support and vote for him in next election and even that will not equal what he did for me and my family.

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        • Orville R. Bacher says:

          President Trump had an R House and an R Senate. But compromised Congressman and Senators were fighting hard against his Presidency – just look at all the praise that Republican politicians heaped on Mueller, while trying to get President Trump to “stall speed” so that he would fall out of the air.

          Keeping President Trump under a legal/impeachable cloud is/was the hobble to stop him from shining daylight on the despicable, corrupt criminals that infest Washington. But most especially at the DOJ, a department whose sole objective is self-preservation and greasing the skids for Deep Cesspool operators, and putting sand in the gears of justice.

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          • JJ says:

            Sorry, but that is nonsense. If Trump had forced the release of classified materials exposing the lefty Deep State… and forced the prosecution of Hillary, Comey, Clapper, etc… the GOP would have NOT lost the House and impeachment never would have happened.
            You put way too much faith in Barr… who was and is a member in good standing of the Bush/Clinton CRIME CARTEL.

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          • BebeTarget / abdb61 says:

            A new R House and R Senate will not be what it was. POTUS with be able to accomplish much more without so many Republican anti-Trumpers working against him

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      • Brian in CA4 says:

        I love this website and the work that Sundance does here. However, I know that President Trump has access to far more information than any of us and therefore, sees a “bigger picture”. Therefore, I trust President Trump’s judgment on these matters than any of us, including Sundance. I don’t doubt that President Trump has regrets about many decisions that he’s made, especially since his inauguration, but I won’t second guess him at this point. He has earned my trust, for now.

        Keep up the good work Sundance!

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      • JJ says:

        I and MANY others DO doubt Trump’s intent to combat the Deep State… he could have FORCED Barr to indict Hillary, Comey and Clapper for their proven felonies… he could have FORCED Barr to de-classify and release all the pertinent materials.
        He could fire Wray, who is obviously dirty, ditto Haspel.

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      • GH says:

        I agree DallasDan.

        But IMO there will be no declass and no one will go to jail. I suppose it will dawn on others once the 2020 election is over. This has always been “the plan”…delay, defer, deny, stall, lie to buy more time, etc.

        And one must admit the Swamp has done an outstanding job.

        But that should not be surprising. After all the DS has done the same thing, many times, over many years, on many things much worse than “Spygate”.

        And do you know why the DS continues to remain unaccountable and operate with impunity? Because the DS has ZERO fear of We the People. That’s why

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    • Bastiat says:

      Completely ignorant comment.

      The trust the plan people are stupid. Full stop.

      Trump cannot do anything without political pressure, otherwise he looks vindictive and weak.

      How hard is this to understand? You idiots prematurely canonizing President Trump are some of his worst enemies.

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    • swissik says:

      S’dance “wastes so much time”. He would not be the only one to do so. A number of people on this site have questioned the non-release of information because there was a time when we expected it would go forward, plus we were promised. The swamp hasn’t been sufficiently drained. In addition I am more doubtful every day whether the troops will be called home from the ME, especially from Afghanistan. Shifting around troops from one country to another doesn’t qualify, and yes I am aware of the latest events that happened. Different kettle of fish I know, but adding more to doubt about the seriousness of “the plan”.

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    • mopar2016 says:

      If you “valuethetruth” why are you offended by it?

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      • Beau Geste says:

        And why “hide the truth”?
        We appreciate, and agree with Sundance’s analysis.
        There is no reason to withhold the records and evidence of malfeasance from public knowledge. In fact, “national security” requires that the public know how corrupt the DOJ/FBI/CIA personnel implanted there by obama and the deep state actually are.

        The truth is that “sunshine is the best disinfectant” for political corruption, per justice brandeis.

        “valuethetruth” is sort of like “affordablecareact” , and other political misnomers which are the opposite of their intent.

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        • drlou007 says:

          I will give Barr and Trump the benefit of the doubt as the DOJ investigation proceeds. If there really is a criminal investigation then releasing these documents could hamper it. However, completed or not, the documents mentioned here must be released by the summer to allow for careful analysis and dissemination before the November election. If Trump fails to do that he will lose the House again and may lose the Senate as well. As he says, we’ll see what happens.

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    • Bruce_Dern's_Finger says:

      Caught them all!? That should include the usurper POtuS aka Obama, too.

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    • De Oppresso Liber says:

      valuethetruth — ROLCON

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    • Texian says:

      you were an ugly baby.. weren’t you..

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    • Deplorable_radtraveller says:

      Might be just keeping powder dry for use in either impeachment trial or election?

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    • arsumbris says:

      What Sundance does is keep Trump and all the men working under him from giving into temptation to take the path of least resistance, and avoid draining the swamp, by reminding them how much WE know about what happened, and how much WE care about the swamp actually getting drained.

      Trump is going to have people whispering in his ear that its easier to just focus on the economy, bomb some terrorists, and attend rallies than it is to fight corruption in DC. People are going to tell him that none of his base actually cares about the swamp, and its a fool’s errand.

      But Sundance reminds him that a lot of us voted for him to drain the swamp, and that’s why a lot of us will vote for him again. Hopefully he understand by now that if he doesn’t drain the swamp when he actually has the goods on them, and can expose them, then they’re going to come after him with a vengeance down the road. They aren’t going to just play nice and get behind him just because he has evidence on them; they will remain threats until they are fully exposed.

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      • trump20162024 says:

        The Trumpster must understand that if he doesn’t crush the deep sh8t statists, then they will ruin his kids at the first opportunity, whether that is in 2021 or 2025.

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        • arsumbris says:

          A lot of Trump’s supporters seem to forget that Trump is a man. He has good angels on his shoulder, and devils on the other. In the white house, he has good advisers reminding him what his movement is about, and Globalists on the other hand trying to get him to compromise.

          His base, people like us, represent his better angels. He actually listens when we remind him, because in his heart he cares. He might get bad advice, but in his heart he cares. That’s why we can’t just be quiet and “trusty plan”, we have to make it known we’re paying attention.

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          • JJ says:

            Maybe. But if you look at the gaggle of corrupt Deep State swine Trump has placed in his Cabinet and on his staff since being elected… I have a TON of doubts. Still has several, Wray is dirty, no doubt. I suspect Haspel, Wray and maybe Pompeo are dirty too. Kushner’s loyalty is to Israel, Mnuchin is a tool of the Fed and Goldman Sachs.

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            • nobodyspecial1958 says:

              You have to remember who he is dealing with. He is appointing conservative judges that rinos could oppose or slow down the pace on approval. Look at the pettiness of Mike Lee. These people are the definition of spiteful. I don’t know the reasons DOJ FBI’s crooks are still there and it is disturbing to me sometimes. I do trust Trump and believe his intent is do what he can. I trust him and believe he has his reasons. He has done more for us than many thought possible. I don’t fault Sundance or what he is doing. Pressure is not a bad thing but I think what trump is doing is more complicated than we can discern.

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    • Ed says:

      It isn’t a good idea to call anything critical of the President’s actions “slinging negativity”. If you support a president, everything he does has to be known, unless you want to be like the blind Obama supporters.

      Sundance works very hard to try to keep readers informed. Barr has his own agendas. Pointing out that he is blocking declassification, or at least the release of declassified materials is stating the facts, not slinging negativity about Trump.

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  2. litlbit2 says:

    After reading above and Sundance for sometime I am once again not holding much hope of actually seeing a honest Justice Department. Ukraine might be cleaning up their corrupt country, Saudi Arabia might be getting arms around their years of corruption. However it appears the new Ukraine is none other than Washington DC with the mob in charge and the failed peons such as Sessions attempting a rerun to get his hands on the Ukraine family employment plan to help Hunter, Romney, Pelosi, Waters, Schumer, Podesta etc. After President Trump…?

    Yet I am to believe Durham will clean it up? Anyone remember P T Barnum?

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    • lotbusyexec says:

      Have you read the new book, Barnum: An American Life? We are all complicated people. That being said PDJT like those of us on CTH are good people, but human. For some crazy reason, I BELIEVE that PDJT will fix this. I just do. Book was great BUT Trump is BETTER!

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      • Brian in CA4 says:

        Exactly….someone here please show me who “owns” President Trump?????

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      • litlbit2 says:

        I agree with you on the outcome. The system, lack of honesty, is the only way I can justify the delay of justice and enormous harm being done to many good folks. The time after President Trump is of great concern. Never been a President like him. As Sundance has ink on many pages for along time.

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  3. hawkins6 says:

    Belated Happy New Year: From Mid East Madness to D.C. Corruptness.

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  4. milktrader says:

    President should conduct a poll.

    Do you trust the DOJ/FBI?

    My answer is hell no.

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  5. ShainS says:

    Bravo, Sundance.

    Sessions will come.
    Horowitz will come.
    Huber will come.
    Rosentstein will come.
    FISA Court will come.
    Wray will come.
    Rank-and-file FBI will come.
    Horowitz will come again.
    Barr will come.
    Declassification will come.
    Steiner will come.
    Horowtiz will come again.

    Durham will come.

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    • MNBV says:

      Yep, and all of that revolves around the DoJ, controlled by AG Barr, refusing to prosecute, no matter the evidence.
      The only other “chance” is military Courts and they’re definitely not applicable.

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    • California Joe says:

      AG Barr and Durham are as competent as the British officers in this skit about The First Zulu War.

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    • Ludo says:

      I still think Durham will take down Barr, and then the dominoes will start to fall.

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    • John-Y128 says:

      So far they all add up to BIG FAT ZERO’s for JUSTICE.

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    • arsumbris says:

      Horowitz did come. He gave us the FISA court, and 51 lies by the FBI. That’s almost 40% of your list.

      You know, if you sh**-can literally everyone who works for Trump as “deep state traitors”, logically, you sh**-can Trump.

      All Trump has to do is walk to a mic, and announce he’s releasing all evidence via Tweet.
      He hasn’t done that yet, so he believes that the winds are blowing in his favor.
      People can debate whether Trump has lost his mind there, but that doesn’t seem likely.

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    • Doppler says:

      To your list of who will come, you must add: Impeachment will come.

      President Trump announced he would disclose everything in September 2018, IIRC, but then changed his mind, at DOJ RR’s request, then, after losing the house, in November 2018, this from the Daily Beast:

      ‘President Donald Trump threatened to declassify “devastating” documents next year if House Democrats launch probes into his administration. “If they want to play tough, I will do it,” he said during an Oval Office interview Wednesday with the New York Post. “They will see how devastating those pages are.” Trump told the paper he would declassify FISA warrant applications and other confidential documents from Robert Mueller’s investigation, which he said would expose efforts by the FBI, the Justice Department and the Clinton campaign to set him up. “If they go down the presidential harassment track, if they want to go and harass the president and the administration, I think that would be the best thing that would happen to me,” he said. “I’m a counter-puncher and I will hit them so hard they’d never been hit like that.” Trump also told the tabloid he would wait to reveal such documents until they are absolutely needed, saying, “It’s much more powerful if I do it then.”’

      It appeared to me last summer, when the so-called whistleblower first surfaced the idea that Trump was seeking Ukraine’s help in the 2020 elections by investigating Biden, PDJT’s response appeared to be almost joyful, like a fisherman feels when a fish takes his bait. As if he wanted them, or was daring them, to impeach him in connection with US dealings in Ukraine (corruption Central in Eastern Europe). He disclosed the transcript, which was so different from Schiff’s version, that one suspects a leak trap, which is further supported by Schiff’s total reversal about needing the whistleblower to testify, and having a second whistleblower to corroborate, to abandoning even the basis for why the call was illegal in any way (except the non-crime “abuse of power”), and the tight-reigned media House effort to protect the whistleblower’s identity. It was in that context, that PDJT boasted that he’s caught the swamp.

      Now he demands a trial in the Senate, which will be, as Bannon pointed out on Maria B this morning, the trial of the century, with the Senate the court, the American people the jury, and the whole world the audience. The counter-puncher can then “hit them so hard they’d never been hit like that,” with a punch as powerful as anything could be in turning the world away from the globalist/elitist/socialist/world-government/media-hyped movement, and back toward nationalism, liberty, and free trade.

      It could be like “rope-a-dope,” “Thrilla in Manila,” and “rumble in the jungle” all rolled into one.

      This could also explain President Trump’s tone in dealing with Wray and Horowitz, he’s very pointed in singling them out and the inadequacies of their reports, with very telling points of rank injustice, while there’s no whining or complaining about Barr as there was with Sessions, and instead it just looks like a champion winding up the Mother of All Counterpunches. The MOAC.

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      • Moe Grimm says:

        A trial is to me a must and like Bannon stated on Newsmax a week ago back up ALL the way to 2016 Jan. A lot more is known now with damn sure more to come behind the perpetual cult marx echo chamber that will of course not cover it – joint news conferences get it out. Fox still has a huge footprint with Newsmax and OANN gaining besides websites like Sundance CTH and others.

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  6. Interesting soul-searching post by SD.
    Excellent commentary by Branch Hangers.
    Again, its amazing we can have such a variation of opinions, yet it is kept civil.
    Obviously, there aren’t too many Dems hanging on the branches.
    MAGA and good night to all.

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  7. Janice Farley says:

    So why is the President not releasing all the info? Laura Ingraham just interviewed him last night and she never asked him about all this??? I want an explanation and we should demand the President do that!

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  8. litlbit2 says:

    Furthermore as I rant in frustration. If all was declassified, read aloud on a public forum 24/7, who would prosecute and before which court, what Judge? Would the appeal process covering the multitude of crimes, criminal actions, vast number of criminals be through the process for sentencing in my children’s lifetime? Without answers 2024 will be much different with President Trump!

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  9. Komrade Retslag says:

    The DOJ/FBI is so corrupt, and the DC courts as well, that it looks like there will be no “justice” or accountability for “Spygate” perpetrators. It appears that using the courts, with civil lawsuits, as Sharyl Attkinsson is doing, is the only way any “justice” can be done. It seems to be working for Nick Sandmann with the recent CNN settlement. In effect, these civil actions, that “bypass” the DOJ, are the only options available at this time. There are limitations, however as some politicians and government officials are immune to civil action.

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  10. Bluto says:

    The FBI, the DOJ and all other departments in the Executive Branch are not above the President who IS the Executive Branch. Everybody serves at his pleasure and their authority derives from HIS authority. It’s time for him to stop complaining on Twitter and step in and start making some heads roll. He says he doesn’t want any other President to suffer the abuse he has suffered then he should put his money where his mouth is. Hopefully when he wins reelection and doesn’t have to worry about winning another election, that is what he will do. I cannot imagine that if a department in one of his businesses screwed up royally that he wouldn’t step in and fix it.

    I fully support President Trump and applaud him for all of the accomplishments he has made but I also want to trust that my government is not a corrupt bunch of weasels. Sure, call out Wray and others for their malfeasance but then follow up. I know he has a lot on his plate but I fear he is being overwhelmed by the swamp and in five years, the inmates will once again take over the asylum.

    I’m with Sundance on this one.

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    • joebkonobi says:

      PDJT’s problem with getting the folks he wants is the Uniparty Senate, specifically the Comittees (SSIC, Judicial etc.). The Committees have built a firewall with their advise and consent power to vote down PDJT’s preferred nominees so they never make it to the full Senate. He could fire Wray but he would just get whomever the Judicial or SSCI wants.

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  11. Paul Cohen says:

    Welllllll the “best case” is that various potential declassifications are all utilized by Barr/Durham behind the scenes, in relation to Grand Jury and criminal prosecutions/proceedings, rather than trying to release info to the public. Barr and Durham need the declassification power to enable smooth workings with a Grand Jury etc. without being blocked by Deep State scumbags.

    Can we really know or even hope that this “best case” is happening??? IF Barr/Durham are really pursuing all potential prosecutions with sufficient vigor then it is best that many declassifications wait upon the indictments and prosecutions.

    BUT how can we know if Barr/Durham are the real deal or not??? Some of President Trump’s statements offer us a lot of hope but I won’t feel much confidence in any of this until we see the real results and miscreants jailed etc.

    Certainly I put no stock in all the “Qanon” garbage. Fantasy prosecutions are not real prosectutions. We will see…..

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    • If you couldn’t tell from Barr’s past, revealed in comments here, or by the bagpipes episode, or by his effusive praise of both Rosenstein and Wray, then the definitive evidence is when he let Comey walk away from his “lack of candor”, by “declining to prosecute”. That was stupid of him, if he wanted at all to hide his own complicit agenda. He is just another political crook, aiding and abetting the national suicide effort.

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      • JJ says:

        Agree. Well said. Trump allows Manafort and Stone to be convicted of “lying”… but refuses to force Barr to prosecute Comey, Clapper and Brennan for THEIR lies?
        VERY smelly!

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      • arsumbris says:

        If you take the read on Barr that he’s “giving the coup rope to hang themselves”, then the story goes that he’s (and Trump) are sitting on enough evidence to indict, they’re keeping it under wraps so the perps can’t hire teams of Lawfare scum to craft a defense to specific pieces of evidence. Remember, most of the coup are out of the building now, and lost access to classified material — hence, the theory goes, why so much remains classified.

        If Durham’s job is to be interviewing them all without them having the benefit of seeing the evidence, and crafting lies to defend themselves and spin it, then it still makes sense why we haven’t seen indictments yet. If men like Pientka, who everyone in the Trump orbit continues to ignore, has flipped against the coup, then it adds up a bit more.

        Once again, that’s generous speculation in defense of Barr-Durham and even Wray. It might also explain Rosenstein to some degree, if they were head-faking with praise on him, to scare the Coup Group that Rosenstein flipped.

        If there isn’t a narrative like that, then I’m out of possibilities to explain things as they stand.

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  12. dallasdan says:

    IMO, all of the most revealing/damaging material will remain unseen by the public as long as Barr is the AG and the President remains under threat of impeachment. Why?

    The leadership of the DOJ and FBI are actively covering-up all coup-related criminality because they know they can without fear of Presidential intervention, due to their having the support of Dems and numerous RINOs in the Senate who can wreck the President’s agenda and, possibly, remove him from office.

    Moreover, disclosure of the classified material would very likely be highly detrimental to many people, some of whom are powerful present and former members of Congress and the DS establishment. They will not allow it to happen with Barr as the gatekeeper.

    I think the President fully understands and accepts both points mentioned above, because he knows he doesn’t have the political capital necessary to survive the blow-back if he were to declassify the material.

    The President is a warrior army of one.

    JMO

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    • lolli says:

      👍dallasdan
      And with your post in mind, can you imagine what he goes through daily?
      His fortitude is unreal.

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      • dallasdan says:

        I agree, lolli.

        He is an equally amazing man and politician. His energy, fortitude, and determination to literally MAGA are immeasurably admirable and great.

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        • Dennis Leonard says:

          One mistake,he is not a politician, “He is an equally amazing man and politician”

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          • shirley49 says:

            He is. He loves this Country. I heard this week that he has lost millions since he became President. We owe him a lot. We have to get out and VOTE and not just for him. Kick every Dem out of office. Schumer is going to be challenged. Maybe we can get his a$$ out.

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    • Blood of Patriots says:

      I have been thinking this for some time now and everyone thinks I am crazy. Everyone is so assured that the senate will hold strong and acquit Trump. McConnell gets up and cuts Nancy off at the knees assuring everyone that this will be taken care of, but I see it another way and it is based on the actions of the swamp. Look at the spite that the FBI/DOJ has shown Trump and just the rule of law. It would not surprise me if the senate goes ahead and removes Trump despite the American people’s wishes. I believe they will get rid of him and deal with the American people later, I think they believe the citizens of america are the more easily controlled group and that Trump has got to go and now. Just a thought going against the grain but look at all the question raised by Sundance and you have to ask yourself why?

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      • dallasdan says:

        Impeachment is the last, best opportunity to remove the President from office other than by physical violence. The increasing probability of his re-election is intensifying the urgency felt by Dems and RINOs alike to remove him “by whatever means necessary.”

        “Trust the plan” is becoming more of a DS slogan every day.

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  13. Important point -Trump is a witness to and victim of a series of crimes. He effectively recused himself from all relevant decisions and rightly so. By appointing Barr and in other ways Guiliani, no-one can legally challenge the evidence of crimes when they are eventually declassified. It’s either naive or dishonest to push any other interpretation of this.

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  14. MNBV says:

    Not one single FBI / DoJ / CIA perp has been prosecuted with mountains of existing evidence over 3+ years……doesn’t need Horowitz, doesn’t need Huber, doesn’t need Durham.
    Unless PDJT can get control of DoJ I’m afraid it’s all in vain.

    PDJT gets what’s happening here at CTH. His minions read.
    He must understand that if the Deplorables won’t tolerate Deep State triumph after Deep State triumph, that they’re apoplectic, ….they just might stay home Nov 2020.

    I won’t vote for mass 3rd world immigration by anyone, or a Global Warming hysteric and I won’t vote for a thumb sucker on the Deep State. The Deep State is fixable with some guts.
    Do it Don.

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    • We the people know says:

      Do it Don.
      Settle all the family business.
      Sends Carlos (Pientka) to Vegas (San Francisco)

      Is Nancy Pelosi’s biggest fear that President Trump will take the stand in his own defense at his Impeachment Trial and introduce ALL the “forgotten” declassification material?

      The perfect forum for the perfect storm. Nancy’s clearly worried. How come she stopped/stalled the articles? The possibility that Trump won’t defend himself and his office is ZERO.

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  15. islandpalmtrees says:

    RUDY IS RIGHT, WILL THE SUPREME COURT BE FOOLS

    The question remains: will the supreme court add common sense and reset the balance of power between the three branches before Pelosi sends those articles to the Senate or will they go down in history not following the intent of the constitution. To late to fix, what they allow to be broken.

    The overreach of one party to bring impeachment will break forever the separation of powers. The balance of power between the three branches will no-longer exist when Pelosi sends those impeachment articles.

    At this point any one party will be allowed to use impeachment as a weapon to eliminate the head of another branch of government.

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  16. AnotherView says:

    This has been this biggest sore point for me with Trump. Those documents are key to exposing the criminals. Trump complains, but the lawlessness continues. Expose the names and deeds!

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    • Joemama says:

      Rolcons (Shareblue paid shills pretending to be conservatives) give themselves away just about every time in the same way. I won’t say what it is, because I don’t want to educate them.

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  17. Dennis Leonard says:

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    • MNBV says:

      Oh please….the Ideologically correct left even inhabit PDJT’s Acting Sec Chad Wolf…
      This Wall is about the massive number of ILLEGAL ALIEN BORDER CROSSERS, your drug criminals are relevant but minor.
      It’s the eventual 3rd world voting demographic, young Chad…… the rest is trivial.

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  18. Dennis Leonard says:

    Roel Elzinga
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    🇳🇱
    🍿
    🎥
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    ‏ @Roelzinga
    5h5 hours ago

    That’s how it looks

    To me it’s part of draining the swamp
    Bringing all the dark parts to light
    There’s nothing new, but now we can see it

    I don’t understand how draining the swamp works, I’m certain that Trump knows this is the best way. I trust Trump unconditionally.
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  19. kleen says:

    The biggest sign of nothing being done is how everyone including Gowdy who saw the behind the scenes of the corruption and many others are talking about the November elections as if there won’t be any major events such as, Durham indictments or anything. They know what goes on in the swamp.

    They all talk about 2020 election in terms of it being what we have right now. Just another normal election.

    I haven’t seen anyone saying: POTUS shouldn’t worry about the election because when the truth comes out many Democrats will be going to jail and he will win.

    Because if the truth came out that is exactly what we would be dealing with. Imagine DC swamp exposed? It would change the History of the world.

    Looks like the prediction is that POTUS will be reelected end Dems are trying to take the Senate to cripple him.

    Well if that’s the case, then Durham is another Huber and we will relive 2018 midterms. No news, just another election.

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  20. kleen says:

    Only one the following can true at the same time:

    1- Durham/Barr are the real deal and we will se justice and all crooks will be exposed, indicted, and punished. It will shock the world when we see the corruption exposed.

    2- We will have a close election and Trump is going to win, so Dems are trying to damage him, they want to take the Senate so he can’t get anything done, or whatever their tactics and plans are. Impeachment is about 2020.

    Both can’t be true.

    If Durham/Barr expose the cabal, we won’t have a normal election but a major crises in DC.

    Many Dems will be implicated, Obama, Nancy, Schiff etc… It will be historical. It will be the biggest corruption case in the US ever.
    No tactics or plans would give Dems a chance to win anything. They would be done!

    So when you see the people who had access to the behind the scenes of spygate (Gowdy, Ryan, Barr, RR, Brennan, Comey etc) on TV talking about 2020… they know nothing of significance will happen therefore, in their mind, is… how to continue the cover-up and run the clock operation. Make it to 2020 then take back full control.

    That’s it!

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  21. Life Coach says:

    Either Trump is in on it with the deep staters, or there is some bigger picture that we’re not seeing.

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    • John-Y128 says:

      AG Barr probably had to tell PDJT, ‘You know your only here for 8 years, then the swamp waters will rush back in re hydrating the deep-state vines.” And in November he’ll start his lame duck 2nd term, staying focused on the Courts and Regulations, no more Rally(s).

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      • Chimpy says:

        John, you are the only poster repeatedly referring to PDJT’s second term as “lame duck”.

        Strange belief.

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        • John-Y128 says:

          All presidents in their 2nd term will be referred to that way, it’s a matter of when.

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          • Chimpy says:

            Lame duck means that one is unable to do anything. Cannot fly.

            If President Trump has any support in Congress (I.e. at least hold the Senate), I do not believe that he will only make accomplishments in the courts and with regulations.

            I think your label and prediction will be wrong.

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  22. John-Y128 says:

    It seems AG Barr, with Dir Pray, is trying to shift focus away from the DOJ/FBI, Rep Nunes is ‘Workin it’, trying to open the worm can regarding the ICIG, the WB and Schiff.

    But what’s Senator Graham doing about the FISA abuse, he was ‘waiting’ on the IG’s report, now he’s moved on to ‘waiting’ on Durham and were ‘waiting’ on him again, he’s nothing but a ‘do-nothing’ media swine, I wish S.C. would replace him in November.

    “The barons in the balcony are laughing and pointing to the pit, they say, Aw look, they’ve grown accustomed to the smell, now people love that chit and we’re Workin’ it, Workin’ it.” ~ DH

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  23. BobC says:

    Much as I admire the excellent analysis of issues by Sundance and team along with most of the commenters I think there are some points to make that may be overlooked or discounted.

    1. The work by Barr/Durham is not as (relatively) simple as a police investigation into a criminal offence. Their work has roots going back years (decades?) and trails that stretch round the world with myriad people to interview and mountains of evidence to be gathered. Whatever is discovered that can lead to indictments has to be beyond comprehensive; it has to be so complete, backed up fifty times by incontrovertible evidence, that it will withstand the most penetrating defense efforts. Even the language in the indictments and any other supporting documents will have to be written so that every word, phrase, sentence, and paragraph must not be capable of being twisted by lawyers into meaning something else. Heck, even punctuation must be perfect in case a misplaced comma somehow affects the meaning of a sentence! All of the above takes time. Have patience.

    2. It’s pointless to fret over ‘The Plan’ because there isn’t just ‘one.’ A few months ago, at a chopper presser, one of the presstitutes asked the question (can’t remember the issue), “Do you have a plan B?” PDJT replied: “Yes, I have a plan B…and a plan C…and a plan D…” That is exactly what he has been doing throughout his career. While Sundance and the rest of us can only see today’s plan in action (A) and guess what B and C might be, President Trump is likely ahead with plan L, M, N, O…. Beyond our capability since we don’t have his insight and foresight or know what is happening that will cause him to respond with a new plan.

    3. The other aspect of President Trump’s genius that we mere mortals can only wonder at is his sense of timing. Despite the criticism that he just shoots his mouth off on the spur of the moment he has an unparalleled sense of timing and says whatever it is at just the right moment for the maximum impact to cause confusion and panic among his enemies.

    So be patient. Let Barr/Durham follow all the footprints and trap the critter in its lair. Believe that President Trump will have a plan. Be sure he will choose the exact right moment to put the plan into effect.

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    • John-Y128 says:

      Baloney, Trump doesn’t seem like ‘a Planner’, he’s an administrator of planners, he reacts better but differently than most and is becoming a good politician.

      A planner would of had a ‘trusted’ administration ready in 2017, and certainly have a plan to clean out Obama administration personal on Jan 20th, not to mention, nobody plans 4 bankruptcies. A planner would of had a ‘plan’ for assuaging the GOP NeverTrumpers and the RINO’s between Nov ’16 and Jan 20th ’17.

      America’s business planners are encouraging PDJT to knock down regulations that are stalling their projects, but lack of ‘planning’ is why American has few ‘shovel-ready’ projects, regardless of regulation, not much has happened with our infrastructure.

      DHS is struggling with completing 100 miles of new border Wall and if the Wall isn’t complete by 2024, it never will be, what’s the ‘plan’ for finishing that?

      Then we have the 18 GOP governors ‘planning’ on more ‘immigrants for their States…

      Now Bloomberg is a real A-Z planner, not that voters are looking for a master planner, too bad he planned to be a democrat.

      Clinton, Fusion GPS, the IC, State Dept, DOJ/FBI under BHO’s watchful eye didn’t spend as much time ‘planning’ to affect the 2016 election and Mueller/Weissmann took to cover it all up, as AG Barr is taking to investigate the Hoax. Instead of the big global discovery, keep it small and get someone to flip on someone to get the justice ball rolling.

      About the only thing I’ve seen in 60+ years of American government planning is the increasing size of itself, it’s real good at that, A+.

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      • WeThePeople2016 says:

        A snarky post, IMHO.

        Trump “is becoming a good politician.”? Okay.

        “DHS is struggling with completing 100 miles of new border Wall and if the Wall isn’t complete by 2024, it never will be, what’s the ‘plan’ for finishing that?”
        Because they have been blocked left and right by judges’ rulings and by the stalling of funding from the House. They came up with using some funds from the DOD, and AGAIN, was blocked by a judge’s ruling. They JUST finally won that one by the 5th Circuit this week that is why.

        “A planner would of had a ‘trusted’ administration ready in 2017, and certainly have a plan to clean out Obama administration personal on Jan 20th, not to mention, nobody plans 4 bankruptcies. A planner would of had a ‘plan’ for assuaging the GOP NeverTrumpers and the RINO’s between Nov ’16 and Jan 20th ’17.”

        Go back and review the history of what Trump was put through since the day that he announced he was running. It is way too long and complicated to get into the details, but he was being blocked at every turn from the media and even his own Party at state conventions and with his delegates. Ted Cruz even made an embarrassing speech at Trump’s GOP Convention in 2016 because Cruz wouldn’t let it go. They went after anyone that worked for Trump on the campaign and was effective such as Corey L. No one, and I mean no one, could have been prepared for the onslaught that he had endured.

        President-elect Trump was then being spied on by the Obama Administration – unprecedented. He was hit by the media, the Dems, the GOP, and the Deep State on a daily basis with Russia Collusion from Aug. 2016 until the Mueller probe ended in March 2019. One cannot PLAN for tackling such a thing when you are being hit every hour 24/7 by all sides. They also took down one by one including Flynn, Hope Hicks, Michael Caputo, WH staff, Cabinet members, etc, people who were in his Circle that were trying to do their job while putting up thousands and thousands of dollars in legal fees fighting the Deep State. I could go on and on, but go back and read SD’s writings from June 2015 to today on what Trump et al. have endured. Maybe, Sundance needs to post a summary of his writings on all that has taken place since the day that Trump had announced he was running for President. I suppose if you were in Trump’s shoes, you would have done a much better job.

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        • John-Y128 says:

          I hear ya, it’s so hard to ‘plan’ anything when you can’t see it coming!

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        • John-Y128 says:

          Meant to be a little ‘snarky’ in response to BobC’s arse kissing [in above] opine.
          I’m aware of all PDJT’s been up against and that part of it is him too, but it is what it is, and I don’t see much ‘planning’ from anybody except the ‘leftists’.

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      • Chimpy says:

        Yeah, Trump isn’t a planner at all.

        He became a billionaire without a plan.

        He became a reality tv star without a plan.

        He crushed 18 seasoned Republican candidates without a plan.

        He defeated Hillary Clinton in perhaps the biggest surprise victory in 2016 to become the most powerful human on Earth… without a plan.

        He survived the Russian Collusion investigation and turned the tables on the Dems without a plan.

        He has humiliated the media establishment and the Hollywood crowd on the national plan bringing awareness of the left’s infiltration and dominance to the general US population without a plan.

        He has amassed the single largest following on any social media platform, effectively removing the mass media’s stranglehold on the flow of information from the a President to the public without a plan.

        He has shifted a hundred years of press room tradition away from the fixed podium to chopper settings without a plan.

        He has outperformed every economist projection and has created a strong economy without a plan.

        He has overcome a nation of activist judges and cleared the way to build the wall, without a plan.

        He has gotten two Supreme Court justices on the Court, surviving a massive campaign to defeat them, without a plan.

        He has survived the hoax impeachment without a plan.

        He has silenced North Korea and, now Iran, without a plan.

        Wow. Best non-planner ever.

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  24. strateshooter says:

    I think folks sometimes forget just how difficult POTUS’ task really is…
    The American system of approved appointments makes it impossible to get none-corrupt people placed into positions of power.
    For example, Congressman Ratcliffe was recently blocked to the DNI position .Yes ?
    There are THOUSANDS of DC bureaucrats and politicians whose sole living is made from wealth extraction and corruption (Dems and RINOs) and who will do anything to stop and outlast POTUS.
    I would include (ex-CIA)AG Barr in this club unfortunately.
    They see themselves as the true patriots and power brokers and as the protectors of the institutions and are in control of the MSM.

    I really do fear that POTUS and The People are headed for civil war , possibly aided by the Military,if Mr. Durham fails to drop the hammer on the Dem/CIA/DOJ/State/FBI/MSM sedition that did and still is taking place.

    Despite the best efforts of CNN etc. the whole of America now knows that the ‘Deep State’ attempted to stop and then nullify the 2016 election.

    The corruption involved was massive to the point that it indicates the Republic is now in name only and that a Uni/Fascist Party controls the country. Thee American People are woken to this and their history suggest that they will not tolerate it.

    Just what did the Fallen fight and die for ?

    God Bless America.

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    • foo says:

      “American People are woken to this”

      The 2018 election results say the American People couldn’t even recognize openly fascistic tactics such as violent mobbing, voter intimidation, and political censorship, let alone this systemic corruption.

      The more this unfolds, the more the talking heads, even in the “alternative media” sound like boomer cope-posters.

      The clock is ticking.

      If there are not major arrests within the next 9 months, the previously-ailing republic is done.

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  25. Matt Bracken says:

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  26. Vincent Piotet says:

    POTUS achieves a lot every single day
    He oversees/controls money flow.
    Trade negotiations – 1
    Arms race – 0

    The USA can
    become a great
    nation worldwide again.

    If we downsize our government
    and prosecute criminal behavior from the top down.

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  27. KMD says:

    Not feeling frustrated here, at all…

    Those who’ve followed the tedious, yet methodical unraveling of this assault on our country, our Constitution, and our President, can appreciate the MASSIVE scope and reach of the ‘deep state’ apparatus…

    With a full appreciation for the size & power of this opposition, it’s no wonder why the systematic dismantling of it must be done in a very controlled, very precise manner. Some (but not all) of these treasonous SOBs need to be handled & disposed of VERY carefully, as the deep state has many ‘safeguards’ purposely built into the system…offering a mean of ‘legal’ escape from culpability…

    In short, POTUS and a handful of Patriots have been up against a MONSTER institutional apparatus that is, the US Govt. Most importantly, it is NOT that our unique Republic itself is flawed, but rather those who’ve taken positions within it, are flawed. The system of checks and balances among coequal branches of govt does work, but if, and only if it’s members operate within the framework of our Constitution…

    What has to be done to “drain the swamp” must be done in a manner which does NOT destroy our Republic in the process!

    That cannot be overstated.

    So, to those prognosticators who cast blame on any & all who many not fit into their narrow minded view of our present situation…PRETTY PLEASE (with sugar on top!)….take a step back and again try to grasp the magnitude of what has truly been behind the “never Trump” movement from its outset. Once you’ve regained a handle on what is actually happening, y’all might just cool ya jets on scorching those who may actually be diligently working to dismantle the deep,state, and dispose of its inhabitants in a manner that preserves our system of government…

    Just sayin’!

    To Sundance, thank you again for another ‘litmus test’ thread. It’s only a matter of time before the truth becomes evident to the general public. I believe that once a critical mass of Americans has grasped the plot behind the coup and subsequent coverup, that the gears of justice will begin to be seen more publicly…

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    • d says:

      DESTROY THIS BS REPUBLIC RUN AMOK BY LIARS AND THIEVES IS WHAT IS NEEDED….AS VIRGINIA WILL SOON SHOW YOU….the politicians that make laws outside of the Constitution should be the FIRST to pay the price FOR COMMITTING treason….and receive the justice of ”’we the people…inside the Constitution and outside of the criminal courts….imo

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    • d says:

      @KMD

      3 years and IF PT is re elected do you really think that we can survive another 4 years waiting to ‘do it right to save the republic…I think not….since saving this government is NOT a good thing….since IT is defined by the liars and thieves that call themselves ‘politicians working for the good of the people’….saving liberty and freedom is what IS needed…NOT what the politicians tell you ,you can or can’t do….CONgress has been making laws OUTSIDE of the Constitution for decades….THAT is the problem…..that must be addressed….and I am sure it will Be on display in VIRGINIA soon…as both State and Federal strong arming will be CALLED for what it is…TREASON and TYRANNY…and will be dealt with as provided for inside of our Founders Constitution….to the dismay of those that have tried to re write the’old relic’…imo… SEMPER FI

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      • KMD says:

        Sir, I can appreciate your passion & zeal for truth & justice. However, prudence dictates that literally destroying our govt institutions is not a means of saving our Republic. Our govt system is the greatest the world has ever known, but its obviously not perfect…

        To paraphrase President Roland Reagan, ” the extinction of our freedom is never more than one generation away…” When the time comes, and I pray to Almighty God that it doesn’t, I’ll be right there beside you. But until that time comes, we need to exhaust any & all means of current headway in dismantling the swamp without (literally) burning our country to the ground. Just look at the progress made in the first few years of this Presidency, and how much we now know! It’s a process, not an immediate “awakening” where the truth is revealed for all to see with one fell swoop of declassification. Therefore, I urge restraint while the process toward truth & justice unfolds…

        To that end, do not forget that there are some enemies of our country who’d like nothing better than to see civil unrest ignite. So, be smart, be vigilant, and do NOT be manipulated by those who’d love to see our own Patriots damage our Republic by inciting violence before it becomes an ultimate last resort…

        Ever see the movie Roadhouse? Patrick Swayze’s character Dalton, gives fantastic advice when educating his fellow bar room bouncers…

        Rule Three…BE nice, until it’s time not to be nice.

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  28. BRIAN l FELGNER says:

    I could see a scenario during the debates, when the Dem candidate accuses POTUS of not being truthful, that he could declassify material on the spot to show what the truth actually is. That would seem very effective.

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  29. Kitty-Kat says:

    I am grateful for this post because it summed up my reaction to his post, with him sounding like a powerless bystander. I am unhappy with the number of Republicans who helped his campaign going to jail but no Democrats, whom supposedly broke many laws.

    Somewhere online is a video of Sally Yates outlining her vision of the ideal relationship between the president and his justice department: huge impassable Chinese walls between the two. I have also read different views of what the relationship is supposed to be, which blast Yates’ views out of the water. However, it seems that the president does subscribe to the view of the relationship as espoused by Yates.

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  30. It looks to me that President Trump, although he has statutory de jure authority to declassify has no actual de facto authority to do so. That is up to Barr. And Barr is going to release diddly squat. Barr is the official ‘adult in the room’ with all this, and all this is going to be buried and buried deep. Barr had dealings with Epstein. Barr is happy with Director Wray. Barr was happy with Rosenstein. Barr is seemingly fine with all these no-prosecution investigations. The President is facing impeachment trial because none of this stuff has been released, either by Sessions or Barr.

    Why people keep thinking that US President runs the country is beyond me. Didn’t anyone pay attention when JFK was brutally murdered on national television? Do you think anyone with a family can go up against the criminal cartels which actually run our countries without risking their family members’ lives?

    I sincerely hope that Trump is for real and can pull all this swamp-draining stuff off. But I think most of it is happening on the level of news stories, aka infotainment. We have a Reality TV President in a Reality TV Republic. The Deep State underneath is criminal, dark, obscure, vicious, something which most of us quite rightly would rather not have to confront.

    I believe the chances of anything substantive happening viz the Deep State are less than 5%. Of course hope am entirely wrong. Sundance does a great job of revealing all the nefarious skulduggery going on. But revealing it and having it all be prosecuted into oblivion are two very different things…

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  31. d says:

    IT should be easy to see by now that President Trump and Q have been…controlled by the DEEP STATE….ALL those around the president and most giving him ‘advice’ are DEEP STATE traitors….A G BARR…was PUT there to make sure NO INDICTMENTS take place….and IF you think re electing this same group of ‘players/actors’ is gonna change anything…then the CIA FBI DOJ has done a very good job…in controlling EVERYTHING and EVERYONE……..soon we will be told that after the election we may see DURHAM release his report….if this were not so serious a matter for the survival of this country and many of us….it would be a f…ing joke..BUT it is deadly serious as we will see in Virginia…shortly….might be the ONLY way to take the DEEP State down…armed rebellion…since PT and Q are just scripted actors playing a part of the ”HOAX on the citizens of this country…(3 years in the making Cecil B DeMille would be proud)……imo….Semper Fi

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  32. waawash says:

    Common sense is the principled application of logic.
    Wray serves at the pleasure of the POTUS – no? Why doesn’t Trump order Wray to the White House to answer direct questions?

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  33. Gary Lacey says:

    No, I don’t think DJT forgets, I did see something that shocked me, William Barr has Wray’s back. Remember Rod Rosenstien, seems Barr had his back,too.

    What hasn’t escaped me is how fast justice seems to catch up to the Republicans, BUT never seems to catch up to the Democrats.

    If the status quo continues in DC……we may as well charge into the Capitol
    and eliminate the cancer and put the blindfold back on Lady Justice,….. because the country will not stand for the travesty of justice

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  34. seasidemommy says:

    Here is my take: WE HAVE ONE MAN, JUST ONE MAN who has the balls to stand strong against everything thrown at him. We have one man who fights for Americans. We have one man who puts Americans first. We have one man against all odds through everything is still fighting for us risking everything, as his family does by standing with him! I trust President Trump. I trust that there is more than likely a small group of American patriots who are trying to help the Republic survive. The Deep Washington swamp elite globalists have been working for years and far before Trump was elected and to save the Republic might take some time. That is why they say patience is a virtue. I do not know if declass could hurt the ongoing investigations or criminal indictments that Durham is supposed to bring, but I trust Trump. I have been a Democrat, Independent, Republican throughout my lifetime I did not support Trump until he got the nomination. But my gosh does he not deserve the support of the American people now with all he has done for our nation and the ongoing battle he does daily? I want to say thank you to this site and posters because more than anywhere that I have found you can get real news and have real people teach you things you find nowhere else. That said I remind all that we have ONE BRAVE MAN FIGHTING NONSTOP FOR WE THE PEOPLE and we would all do well to remember that if we lose him, we lose the Republic.

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  35. theasdgamer says:

    If you haven’t already done so, join a militia that is above board and does volunteer work. Even volunteer work is useful for a quasi-military organization.

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  36. Doppler says:

    To your list of who will come, you must add: Impeachment will come.

    President Trump announced he would disclose everything in September 2018, IIRC, but then changed his mind, at DOJ RR’s request, then, after losing the house, in November 2018, this from the Daily Beast:

    ‘President Donald Trump threatened to declassify “devastating” documents next year if House Democrats launch probes into his administration. “If they want to play tough, I will do it,” he said during an Oval Office interview Wednesday with the New York Post. “They will see how devastating those pages are.” Trump told the paper he would declassify FISA warrant applications and other confidential documents from Robert Mueller’s investigation, which he said would expose efforts by the FBI, the Justice Department and the Clinton campaign to set him up. “If they go down the presidential harassment track, if they want to go and harass the president and the administration, I think that would be the best thing that would happen to me,” he said. “I’m a counter-puncher and I will hit them so hard they’d never been hit like that.” Trump also told the tabloid he would wait to reveal such documents until they are absolutely needed, saying, “It’s much more powerful if I do it then.”’

    It appeared to me last summer, when the so-called whistleblower first surfaced the idea that Trump was seeking Ukraine’s help in the 2020 elections by investigating Biden, PDJT’s response appeared to be almost joyful, like a fisherman feels when a fish takes his bait. As if he wanted them, or was daring them, to impeach him in connection with US dealings in Ukraine (corruption Central in Eastern Europe). He disclosed the transcript, which was so different from Schiff’s version, that one suspects a leak trap, which is further supported by Schiff’s total reversal about needing the whistleblower to testify, and having a second whistleblower to corroborate, to abandoning even the basis for why the call was illegal in any way (except the non-crime “abuse of power”), and the tight-reigned media House effort to protect the whistleblower’s identity. It was in that context, that PDJT boasted that he’s caught the swamp.

    Now he demands a trial in the Senate, which will be, as Bannon pointed out on Maria B this morning, the trial of the century, with the Senate the court, the American people the jury, and the whole world the audience. The counter-puncher can then “hit them so hard they’d never been hit like that,” with a punch as powerful as anything could be in turning the world away from the globalist/elitist/socialist/world-government/media-hyped movement, and back toward nationalism, liberty, and free trade.

    It could be like “rope-a-dope,” “Thrilla in Manila,” and “rumble in the jungle” all rolled into one.

    This could also explain President Trump’s tone in dealing with Wray and Horowitz, he’s very pointed in singling them out and the inadequacies of their reports, with very telling points of rank injustice, while there’s no whining or complaining about Barr as there was with Sessions, and instead it just looks like a champion winding up the Mother of All Counterpunches. The MOAC.

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  37. Moe Grimm says:

    Don’t get why PDT is actually asking Wray. Over a year has gone by ignoring Nunes, Jordan, Grassley, and more. Tom Fitton and Jay Sek have been stalled on FOIA reqs too, but have gotten some with lots filed. The ONLY thing I can think of, and not that have much faith in is that could intersect and interfere with what Barr and Durham are doing. He should have sent hand selected U.S. Marshals to confiscate all of it which would at this point become impeachment headache. Wray should be fired as well, but may be waiting for after re-election (hopefully) which will get here fast. Nothing will change under a flaming cuck like Wray.

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  38. foo says:

    I, like many other anti-corruption/anti-globalist aile-crossers, am tired of hearing Trump whine on twitter about things that are fully within presidential authority.

    It was fine earlier to put a target on the corruption, but at this point in his presidency it looks weak.

    9 Months.

    If this scandal isn’t broken wide open by then, complete with perp-walks, the republic is done, and it will be due to Trump’s failure to keep his #1 campaign promise.

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  39. Tom Hansen says:

    I am not so confident any longer that Barr and Durham will come through either with the de-classifications or any grand jury indictments. I am disenchanted that certain decisions have been made under Barr’s watch, that in my view should have had opposite outcomes.

    I get the impression that Barr, as did Rosenstein is stringing the President along, and there will be no justice for anyone involved in the coup. The crime of the century, and the upcoming trial of the century, will be over shadowed by the biggest cover up in history.

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  40. Austin Holdout says:

    I Wonder if “full and complete authority to declassify” means exclusive authority.

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