The Obama Use of FISA-702 as a Domestic Political Surveillance Program….

Now that we have significant research files on the 2015 and 2016 political surveillance program; which includes the trail evident within the Weissmann/Mueller report; in combination with the Obama-era DOJ “secret research project” (their words, not mine); we are able to overlay the entire objective and gain a full understanding of how political surveillance was conducted over a period of approximately four to six years.

Working with a timeline, but also referencing origination material in 2015/2016 – CTH hopes to show how the program operated.  This explains an evolution from The IRS Files in 2010 to the FISA Files in 2016.

The FISA-702 database extraction process, and utilization of the protections within the smaller intelligence community, was the primary process.  We start by reviewing the established record from the 99-page FISC opinion rendered by Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer on April 26th, 2017; and explain the details within the FISC opinion.

I would strongly urge everyone to read the FISC report (full pdf below) because Judge Collyer outlines how the DOJ, which includes the FBI, had an “institutional lack of candor” in responses to the FISA court.  In essence, they were continually lying to the court about their activity, and the rate of fourth amendment violations for illegal searches and seizures of U.S. persons’ private information for multiple years.

Unfortunately, due to intelligence terminology Judge Collyer’s brief and ruling is not an easy read for anyone unfamiliar with the FISA processes outlined. The complexity also helps the media avoid discussing, and as a result most Americans have no idea the scale and scope of the issues.  So we’ll try to break down the language.


For the sake of brevity and common understanding CTH will highlight the most pertinent segments showing just how systemic and troublesome the unlawful electronic surveillance was.

Early in 2016 NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers was alerted of a significant uptick in FISA-702(17) “About” queries using the FBI/NSA database that holds all metadata records on every form of electronic communication.

The NSA compliance officer alerted Admiral Mike Rogers who then initiated a full compliance audit on/around March 9th, 2016, for the period of November 1st, 2015, through May 1st, 2016.

While the audit was ongoing, due to the severity of the results that were identified, Admiral Mike Rogers stopped anyone from using the 702(17) “about query” option, and went to the extraordinary step of blocking all FBI contractor access to the database on April 18, 2016 (keep these dates in mind).

Here are some significant segments:

The key takeaway from these first paragraphs is how the search query results were exported from the NSA database to users who were not authorized to see the material.  The FBI contractors were conducting searches and then removing, or ‘exporting’, the results.  Later on, the FBI said all of the exported material was deleted.

Searching the highly classified NSA database is essentially a function of filling out search boxes to identify the user-initiated search parameter and get a return on the search result.

FISA-702(16) is a search of the system returning a U.S. person (“702”); and the “16” is a check box to initiate a search based on “To and From“.   Example, if you put in a date and a phone number and check “16” as the search parameter the user will get the returns on everything “To and From” that identified phone number for the specific date.  Calls, texts, contacts etc.  Including results for the inbound and outbound contacts.

FISA-702(17) is a search of the system returning a U.S. person (702); and the “17” is a check box to initiate a search based on everything “About” the search qualifier.  Example, if you put a date and a phone number and check “17” as the search parameter the user will get the returns of everything about that phone.  Calls, texts, contacts, geolocation (or gps results), account information, user, service provider etc.  As a result, 702(17) can actually be used to locate where the phone (and user) was located on a specific date or sequentially over a specific period of time which is simply a matter of changing the date parameters.

And that’s just from a phone number.

Search an ip address “about” and read all data into that server; put in an email address and gain everything about that account. Or use the electronic address of a GPS enabled vehicle (about) and you can withdraw more electronic data and monitor in real time.  Search a credit card number and get everything about the account including what was purchased, where, when, etc.  Search a bank account number, get everything about transactions and electronic records etc.  Just about anything and everything can be electronically searched; everything has an electronic ‘identifier’.

The search parameter is only limited by the originating field filled out.  Names, places, numbers, addresses, etc. By using the “About” parameter there may be thousands or millions of returns.  Imagine if you put “@realdonaldtrump” into the search parameter? You could extract all following accounts who interacted on Twitter, or Facebook etc.  You are only limited by your imagination and the scale of the electronic connectivity.

As you can see below, on March 9th, 2016, internal auditors noted the FBI was sharing “raw FISA information, including but not limited to Section 702-acquired information”.

In plain English the raw search returns were being shared with unknown entities without any attempt to “minimize” or redact the results.  The person(s) attached to the results were named and obvious.  There was no effort to hide their identity or protect their 4th amendment rights of privacy:

But what’s the scale here?  This is where the story really lies.

Read this next excerpt carefully.

The operators were searching “U.S Persons”.  The review of November 1, 2015,  to May 1, 2016, showed “eighty-five percent of those queries” were unlawful or “non compliant”.

85% !!  “representing [redacted number]”.

We can tell from the space of the redaction the number of searches were between 1,000 and 9,999 [five digits].  If we take the middle number of 5,000 – that means 4,250 unlawful searches out of 5,000.

The [five digit] amount (more than 1,000, less than 10,000), and 85% error rate, was captured in a six month period.

Also notice this very important quote: “many of these non-compliant queries involved the use of the same identifiers over different date ranges.”   So they were searching the same phone number, email address, electronic “identifier”, or people, repeatedly over different dates.  Specific people were being tracked/monitored.

Additionally, notice the last quote: “while the government reports it is unable to provide a reliable estimate of” these non lawful searches “since 2012, there is no apparent reason to believe the November 2015 [to] April 2016 coincided with an unusually high error rate”.

That means the 85% unlawful FISA-702(16)(17) database abuse has likely been happening since 2012.  (Again, remember that date, 2012) Who was FBI Director? Who was his chief-of-staff? Who was CIA Director? ODNI? etc.  Remember, the NSA is inside the Pentagon (Defense Dept) command structure.  Who was Defense Secretary? And finally, who wrote and signed-off-on the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment?

Tens of thousands of searches over four years (since 2012), and 85% of them are illegal.  The results were extracted for?…. (I believe this is all political opposition use; and I’ll explain why momentarily.)

OK, that’s the stunning scale; but who was involved?

Private contractors with access to “raw FISA information that went well beyond what was necessary to respond to FBI’s requests“:

And as noted, the contractor access was finally halted on April 18th, 2016.

[Coincidentally (or not), the wife of Fusion-GPS founder Glenn Simpson, Mary Jacoby, goes to the White House the next day on April 19th, 2016.]

None of this is conspiracy theory.

All of this is laid out inside this 99-page opinion from FISC Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer who also noted that none of this FISA abuse was accidental in a footnote on page 87:  “deliberate decisionmaking“:

Summary of this aspect: The FISA court identified and quantified tens-of-thousands of search queries of the NSA/FBI database using the FISA-702(16)(17) system.  The database was repeatedly used by persons with contractor access who unlawfully searched and extracted the raw results without redacting the information and shared it with an unknown number of entities.

The outlined process certainly points toward a political spying and surveillance operation; and we are not the only one to think that’s what this system is being used for.

Back in 2017 when House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes was working to reauthorize the FISA legislation, Nunes wrote a letter to ODNI Dan Coats about this specific issue:

SIDEBAR: To solve the issue, well, actually attempt to ensure it never happened again, NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers eventually took away the “About” query option permanently in 2017. NSA Director Rogers said the abuse was so inherent there was no way to stop it except to remove the process completely. [SEE HERE]  Additionally, the NSA database operates as a function of the Pentagon, so the Trump administration went one step further.  On his last day as NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers -together with ODNI Dan Coats- put U.S. cyber-command, the database steward, fully into the U.S. military as a full combatant command. [SEE HERE]

There is little doubt the FISA-702(16)(17) database system was used by Obama-era officials, from 2012 through April 2016, as a way to spy on their political opposition.  Quite simply there is no other intellectually honest explanation for the scale and volume of database abuse that was taking place.

When we reconcile what was taking place and who was involved, then the actions of the exact same principle participants take on a jaw-dropping amount of clarity.

All of the action taken by CIA Director Brennan, FBI Director Comey, ODNI Clapper and Defense Secretary Ashton Carter make sense.  Including their effort to get NSA Director Mike Rogers fired.

Everything after March 9th, 2016, was done to cover up the weaponization of the FISA database. [Explained Here]  Spygate, Russia-Gate, the Steele Dossier, and even the 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (drawn from the dossier and signed by the above) were needed to create a cover-story and protect themselves from discovery of this four year weaponization, political surveillance and unlawful spying.  Even the appointment of Robert Mueller as special counsel makes sense; he was FBI Director when this began.

The beginning decision to use FISA(702) as a domestic surveillance and political spy mechanism appears to have started in/around 2012. Perhaps sometime shortly before the 2012 presidential election and before John Brennan left the White House and moved to CIA.  However, there was an earlier version of data assembly that preceded this effort.

Political spying 1.0 was actually the weaponization of the IRS.  This is where the term “Secret Research Project” originated as a description from the Obama team.  It involved the U.S. Department of Justice under Eric Holder and the FBI under Robert Mueller.  It never made sense why Eric Holder requested over 1 million tax records via CD ROM, until overlaying the timeline of the FISA abuse:

The IRS sent the FBI “21 disks constituting a 1.1 million page database of information from 501(c)(4) tax exempt organizations, to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.” The transaction occurred in October 2010 (link)

Why disks?  Why send a stack of DISKS to the DOJ and FBI when there’s a pre-existing financial crimes unit within the IRS.  All of the evidence within this sketchy operation came directly to the surface in early spring 2012.

The IRS scandal was never really about the IRS, it was always about the DOJ asking the IRS for the database of information.  That is why it was transparently a conflict when the same DOJ was tasked with investigating the DOJ/IRS scandal.  Additionally, Obama sent his chief-of-staff Jack Lew to become Treasury Secretary; effectively placing an ally to oversee/cover-up any issues.  As Treasury Secretary Lew did just that.

Lesson Learned – It would appear the Obama administration learned a lesson from attempting to gather a large opposition research database operation inside a functioning organization large enough to have some good people that might blow the whistle.

The timeline reflects a few months after realizing the “Secret Research Project” was now worthless (June 2012), they focused more deliberately on a smaller network within the intelligence apparatus and began weaponizing the FBI/NSA database.

How this all comes together in 2019

Fusion GPS was not hired in April 2016 to research Donald Trump.  As shown in the evidence provided by the FISC, the intelligence community was already doing surveillance and spy operations. The Obama administration already knew everything about the Trump campaign, and were monitoring everything by exploiting the FISA database.

However, after the NSA alerts in/around March 9th, 2016, and particularly after the April 18th shutdown of contractor access, the Obama intelligence community needed Fusion GPS to create a legal albeit ex post facto justification for the pre-existing surveillance and spy operations.  Fusion GPS gave them that justification in the Steele Dossier.

That’s why the FBI small group, which later transitioned into the Mueller team, are so strongly committed to and defending the formation of the Steele Dossier and its dubious content.  The Steele Dossier contains the cover-story and justification for the surveillance operation.

During a rather innocuous podcast discussion panel April 12th, 2019, one of President Trump’s personal lawyers Jay Sekulow mentioned the FBI had three FISA applications denied by the FISA court in 2016. [Podcast Here – Note comment at 25:05]   The denials were always suspected; however, until now no-one in/around the administration has ever confirmed.

If Sekulow is accurate, this adds additional context to the actions of the FBI in the aftermath of Admiral Mike Rogers and an increased urgency in gaining legal justification for surveillance and spy operation unlawfully taking place.  A valid FISA warrant would help the FBI cover-up the surveillance.   The likely targets were Manafort, Flynn and Papadopoulos…. but it appears the DOJ/FBI were rebuked.

These FISC denials would then initiate institutional panic dependent on the election outcome.  An insurance policy would be needed.   The Steele Dossier becomes the investigative virus the FBI wanted inside the system. To get the virus into official status, they used the FISA application as the delivery method and injected it into Carter Page. The FBI already knew Carter Page; essentially Carter Page was irrelevant, what they needed was the FISA warrant and the Dossier in the system {Go Deep}.

Fusion GPS was not hired to research Trump, the intelligence community was already doing surveillance and spy operations. The intelligence community needed Fusion GPS to give them a plausible justification for already existing surveillance and spy operations.

Fusion-GPS gave them the justification they needed for a FISA warrant with the Steele Dossier.  Ultimately that’s why the Steele Dossier is so important; without it, the DOJ and FBI are naked with their FISA-702 abuse as outlined by John Ratcliffe.


♦ Prove the July 31st, 2016, Crossfire Hurricane operation originated from fraud by exposing the CIA operation that created the originating “Electronic Communication” memo. Declassify that two-page “EC” document that Brennan gave to Comey.

♦ Release and declassify all of the Comey memos that document the investigative steps taken  by the FBI as an outcome of the operation coordinated by CIA Director John Brennan in early 2016.

♦ Reveal the November 2015 through April 2016 FISA-702 search query abuse by declassifying the April 2017 court opinion written by FISC Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer. Show the FBI contractors behind the 85% fraudulent search queries. [Crowdstrike? Fusion-GPS? Nellie Ohr?]

♦ Subpoena former DOJ-NSD (National Security Division) head John Carlin, or haul him in front of a grand jury, and get his testimony about why he hid the abuse from the FISA court in October 2016; why the DOJ-NSD rushed the Carter Page application to beat NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers to the FISA court; and why Carlin quit immediately thereafter. Squeeze this bastard’s nuts in the proverbial legal vice.

♦ Prove the Carter Page FISA application (October 2016) was fraudulent and based on deceptions to the FISA Court. Declassify the entire document, and release the transcripts of those who signed the application(s); and/or depose those who have not yet testified.

♦ Release all of the Lisa Page and Peter Strzok text messages without redactions. Let sunlight pour in on the actual conversation(s) that were taking place when Crossfire Hurricane (July ’16) and the FISA Application (Oct ’16) were taking place.

♦ Release all of Bruce Ohr 302’s, FBI notes from interviews and debriefing sessions, and other relevant documents associated with the interviews of Bruce Ohr and his internal communications. Including exculpatory evidence that Bruce Ohr may have shared with FBI Agent Joseph Pientka. [And get a deposition from this Pientka fella]

♦ Release the August 2nd, 2017, two-page scope memo provided by DAG Rod Rosenstein to special counsel Robert Mueller to advance the fraudulent Trump investigation, and initiate the more purposeful obstruction of justice investigation. Also Release the October 20th, 2017, second scope memo recently discovered.

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778 Responses to The Obama Use of FISA-702 as a Domestic Political Surveillance Program….

  1. redline says:

    It’s very much worth remembering that beginning April 6, 2017 the UniParty hamstrung Rep. Nunes with an “ethics investigation” that they dragged out until December 7 the same year.

    Liked by 17 people

    • concerned3 says:

      And, Paul Ryan approved this “ethics investigation”. Got to keep Nunes out of the Gang-Of-Eight is what it looks like.

      Liked by 15 people

      • Dutchman says:

        “Ryan approved this ethics investigation”
        Ryan ORDERED this ethics investigation”
        Fixed it. Nothing happens in the House, unless Speaker and minority leader want it to happen.
        Same in the Senate. Do you really think it was ONE Senator (McCain) that torpedo’d Obamacare repeal?

        If McCain had been too sick to give thumbs down, another would have ‘stepped up’.

        ALL Repubs voted to block recess appointments, during run up to midterms, Congressional Republicans COULD have USED Legislation, to pummel Democrats, IF they had wanted too.
        Introduce legislation to make personal income tax reductions permanent, for instance. Couldn’t do it as PART of tax relief package (rules as excuse) but COULD have done it as seperate legislation in midterm run up, and really put red state dems in difficult spot.

        And, they didn’t.

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        • concerned3 says:

          Let’s us not forget that Paul Ryan was pushing the Dossier very early on. The Gang-Of-Eight are up to their necks in this coup, in my opinion.

          Liked by 15 people

        • lcpusa says:

          You’re Right re: Obamacare repeal.
          Heller of Nevada did not vote in the order and was ready to vote no if needed.

          Liked by 2 people

        • Iamcat says:

          Blocking Trump from recess appointments was abusive and humiliating. I hate Ryan and McConnel for that.

          Liked by 8 people

        • redline says:

          “ALL Repubs voted to block recess appointments…”

          Exactly so.

          They’re no less despicable than the “rank and file” of our supposedly honorable, patriotic FBI and broader IC, whose nameless bureaucrats, for example, redact documents to save their bosses embarrassment, and the judges and other judiciary branch functionaries responsible for, among other things, case assignments and the proper protection of whistle blowers.

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    • livefreeordieguy says:

      I want the Grand Jury — that AG Barr will soon commission — to call that little worm, Paul Ryan, to testify… Where he is summarily pummeled with a bunch of ‘Gang of 8’ questions written by… Sundance. A guy can dream, can’t he?

      Liked by 11 people

  2. Bogeyfree says:


    Can FOIA’s be requested from a Government Contractor since they are tied to the US Government?

    Maybe a question for Tom Fitton or Sundance.

    Liked by 3 people

    • concerned3 says:

      No, I understand that’s why they use the Contractors, in part.

      Liked by 1 person

      • Bubbalouie says:

        Government contractors are required to keep all classified information in Secure safes. Logged in and Out and reflect when declassified or destroyed and why. The intention by the perps is to create a huge bowl of spaghetti noodles. Follow the each of noodles to the end and there will be nothing there. We know who is guilty!

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    • ARW says:

      Yes they can unless the documents are protected and not subject to FOIA. For example, a contractor may claim a document reperesnets or contains a trade secret and therefore not subject to FOIA.

      Liked by 2 people

  3. czarowniczy says:

    And here we are, a few years down the road from when I first posted how the folks around me were looking at ways of turning every piece of electronic gear you have against you, right down to and including your home entertainment system.
    Remember, these data are not only gathered on big names, they’re gathered on YOU. The government vacuums up and stores the metadata, everything that gets sent by wire, air or fiber optic, at some point in its transmission it gets stored. What they did to Trump and his confederates is also being done to YOU, you just haven’t (probably) been individually targeted yet, but nothing’s stopping them.

    They are not alone as, unless you pay at the various real stores you shop at in cash, you’re purchase info is stored and used to target you individually for impulse buys. You internet provider knows what stuff you buy, where, when, how often and where it goes when you buy it…as does your debit/credit card holder. They target you too, using much the same algorithms as the government does to catch disloyal/dishonest people. Just wait until they get the go-ahead to use the algorithms to determine your loyalty. Don’t think there aren’t little gnomes out there already with written programs? Then you don’t know contingency plans.

    I just pray Trump gets a 2nd term and gets to dismantle a good chunk of the swamp. It won’t stay dismantled anymore than it did after Stansfield Turner tried and only pissed it off more than ever. He can at least give us breathing room and the hope that the lotus eaters awaken and see WTF is going on. This isn’t a one-shot deal, keeping these little turds out of the punch bowl is a long term project.

    Liked by 13 people

    • czarowniczy says:

      BTW, for anyone who doesn’t know, if your car has a hands-off modem for your cell, On-Star. Ford Sync or any other maker who offers the On-Star like services your vehicle is GPS equipped. Even if you have the maker ‘turn off’ the system they can still remotely turn it on without your knowing and can even take control of your vehicle to a goodly degree. I have a mechanic at a dealership who will disconnect mine, he worked at the factory, so that it can’t be turned on even remotely. It’s not something, I’m told, that you can do yourself.

      If you’re OK with the information on when, where and how often you drive, how fast you drive, how you brake, where you fill up, how often you don’t wear your seatbelt and how long you stay at various spots then just go on as you are. I’m waiting for prosecutors to start subpoenaing data on your driving from auto makers.

      Liked by 8 people

      • Dutchman says:

        3 vehicles, NONE have a computer on board, other than my cell phone.

        Liked by 3 people

        • czarowniczy says:

          Yeah, we have one sans accessible ID and no electronics in the engine system that EMP could disable. A bit paranoid but at least we can still fix it in the driveway.

          Liked by 5 people

          • redline says:

            I kinda miss my ’56 Willys flat-head I6 with 4wd. Even though it wouldn’t break 50 mph on its best day, it could climb a wall and wade a canal, ran on regular, and its fanciest electrical bit was the condenser.

            Liked by 2 people

            • czarowniczy says:

              And I miss my ’73 Toyota Landcruiser rag top.

              Liked by 1 person

            • czarowniczy says:

              @#$%%^& Chromebook.

              The Cruiser was basically a metric copy of a US WWII ambulance Jeep. It would climb a wall if you asked it to, ate up fuel pumps (learned how to change one anywhere) but it was otherwise bullet proof. Got it new off the showroom floor for about $1300 with tool kit under the seat. They were designed to be fixed by a 3rd world mechanic using a pointed stick and a rock. Sigh…my Avalanche has known its own way to the repair shop for years.

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        • John Gray says:

          The cell phone is enough.

          Liked by 1 person

      • gregc77 says:

        There is a major business opportunity for anyone who wants to specialize in pre-1970 vehicles, it seems to me.

        For the most part, though, the solution is to blow up your TV, throw away your paper, go to the country, build you a home. Plant a little garden, eat a lot of peaches, try and find Jesus on your own.

        (John Prine may get a lot of stuff wrong, but he was way ahead of everyone else with the Benedict option.)

        Liked by 6 people

        • czarowniczy says:

          We retired and did much of that. There’s no way you can disappear entirely but you can set up a perimeter and security zone.

          Liked by 1 person

        • mncountrygirl says:

          I really like John Prine and that song is one of my favorites. If only people would listen, haha. I do believe a far far better world we would live in with what the song suggests. I am working on it, no tv…at least I got that right! Thanks for the memory.


        • redline says:

          He’s crazy as a loon!


          • gregc77 says:

            No reason you can’t be crazy and also write a pretty good song. Besides, it seems to me that liberalism made him crazier as he got older.


            • steph_gray says:

              Crazy As a Loon is actually another of John Prine’s songs.

              (We also perform this one. Both are great fun to play!)


      • 1stgoblyn says:

        This is the main reason why I hesitate to buy myself that new car I’ve been lusting after. I am driving an older model ‘bare bones’ compact that has no conveniences or comforts. One of these days if I don’t kick the bucket first I will have to forgo that little peace of mind and buy something ‘trackable.’


        • czarowniczy says:

          We have newer ‘trackable’ cars but the only naughtyness we do in them is go faster than the limit at times. Were we to ever need it we have older vehicles that we could use.

          I’d heard that some snarky CEO was working on a system like the speeding cameras in the city that $$$-hungry pols could use. When one of the radar-based portable units catches you speeding it queries your car’s computer, gets the car’s info and you get a ticket. Much more efficient than those licence plate readers that can be tricked.

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      • bill slattery says:

        Can you say Michael Hastings?

        Liked by 2 people

        • czarowniczy says:

          Not without slapping my forehead and saying ‘OY!’.

          Let’s go back to 2015, I think the year was, when Forbes published an article on how DARPA had a black project going on to find ways to hack into an identified auto’s onboard computer and take control. JNust to show it wasn’t an L. Ron Hubbard-inspired piece they had a geek/nerd hack into a new car’s computer and control the brakes, gas pedal, etc.

          I think the government’s tap dancing around the possibility of a back-attack on his car is specious at best as DARPA had been at the process for some time prior to Hastings’ death and on a project as potentially useful as taking over control of someone’s vehicle you can bet the farm that DARPA wasn’t the only Federal group doing the work.

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    • Ike Moffett says:

      That is why I take up the gauntlet against the tide of Russian and Iranian trolls on many political websites. I hope the NSA is tracking me so they can see that SOME Americans don’t just sit back and let these parasites post their garbage uncontested. Plus, it’s fun to troll them back!

      Liked by 1 person

      • czarowniczy says:

        Outside of tripping the ‘secret word’ algorithm and having the digital duck drop down from the ceiling your data, allegedly, fulminates in a huge mayonnaise jar on Funk & Wagnalls’ front porch until the need to search it directly or indirectly.

        I’m just thinking of allllll the juicy anti-Rat, anti-Obama, anti-Moslem and anti-illegal comments here, all stored until the next Rat mischief takes the stage.

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  4. “O, What Tangled Web we Weave when first we Practise to Deceive.”
    ~Are you listening FAILED Barack Hussein Obama.~
    It is becoming Crystal Clear what EVELYN FARKAS accidentally Confirmed concerning Obama’s Highly Illegal SPYING Operations on U.S. Citizens during her March 2, 2017 MSNBC Interview.

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  5. HickTick says:

    I do enjoy reading dribble from the never Trumpers , You never fail to tell us the future like
    No one will be going to jail , No one will ever be charged , ,Well I got news for you . Manafort
    went to jail , Gates was charged , Flynn’s life was ruined , Papadop served his time .
    PDJT had to stand by and see his associates charged and He knows most of it was done to try
    to get him to react and obstruct justice . So take your story and sell it where they might believe it .

    Liked by 6 people


    PapaD is MAKING NOISE!!!!!! This is DELIGHTFUL!!!

    Liked by 4 people

  7. azgulch says:

    I’m very late on this topic, few will see it, eh. I think it would be delightful when the DOJ finally charges Obama with Treason (hopefully Feb 2021), and then proves he was an imposter born in Kenya, and not eligible to be POTUS. Thus bolstering the 2011 Birth Certificate row from 2011. Turn the knife.

    Liked by 3 people

    • Iamcat says:

      I truly believe Trump has been under IRS spying/audit and surveillance since he first questioned the birth certificate.

      Liked by 3 people

      • redline says:

        Every last nickel in or out of any business- or family-related Trump account has doubtless been continuously audited for at least a couple decades. Wouldn’t any sensible person think that the IRS certainly has preserved for its own use far more detail on the Trump family finances than it would ever admit to having on, for instance, the Clintons, the Kerrys, the Bidens, or the Gores? I just cannot imagine they wouldn’t.

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  8. Rock Knutne says:

    Enough will see it.

    Most will agree with you.

    Liked by 1 person

  9. Republicanvet91 says:

    “Later on, the FBI said all of the exported material was deleted.”

    The FBI repeatedly lied to the FISA court, and they expect anyone to believe this?

    Liked by 1 person

  10. R V says:

    On Thursday, June 28, 2012, the Supreme Court issued a ruling on the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act (ACA).


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  11. Mary Morse says:

    The dossier also contains the smoking gun of the alpha bank server communicating with a Trump server. There was a rumour that a VISA warrant was requested to investigate this but it was denied. Was it? The retroactive cover of a VISA would only apply to the matter presented in the application. For example, the Carter Page VISA wouldn’t provide cover for unauthoruzed surveillance of the alpha server. Would it? If L.Jean Camp was monitoring the alpha server from May 1 2016 until September 2016, how was she able to do that without a warrant if contractor access was ended in April?

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    • Hmmm... says:

      We discussed this issue previously and so I wanted to followup with a few things I found after digging a bit more. First, L. Jean Camp claimed the activity she was looking at came from DNS logs. ICAAN is not a government agency technically and the premise given was that they had permission to obtain access to the logs. This gives a plausible explanation for both the date mismatch (since they could have hypothetically retrieved the logs from May after noticing the suspicious traffic in June) and makes a warrant unnecessary. Interesting side note is that Obama ended the US contract with ICAAN on October 1st 2016 (

      As far as the Alfa Bank FISA is concerned the bulk of the reporting on this comes from Paul Wood of the BBC and this article: The first failed FISA app for the bank FISA matches almost exactly with the excerpt Sundance featured from the book “Fire and Fury” so that gives credence to this reporting. I’m going to guess the second failed FISA app added some info about Page, Flynn, and Manafort. Wood says the FISA was approved on October 15th which is very near the date of the Page FISA so I tend to believe that one actually exists. I suspect they eliminated all traces of the Trump campaign for the successful FISA and focused solely on the US subsidiaries of the banks in question. I also suspect strongly that the Butina case is the coverup for this FISA as while that case was active they could refuse to provide info about it to the HSCI due to “ongoing criminal proceedings”.

      In summary I think this FISA will prove to be good ammo for the case that the FBI was corrupt. The process for this FISA matches the Page FISA in that the genesis was a Clinton operation, the investigation and the substance was leaked to the media, and Clinton was actively campaigning on the issue. It’s a carbon copy of the Page operation on a smaller scale and less media traction. Oh and of course the basis for it was complete made up garbage.

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  12. Mary Morse says:

    The dossier also contains the smoking gun of the alpha bank server communicating with a Trump server. There was a rumour that a FISA warrant was requested to investigate this but it was denied. Was it? The retroactive cover of a FISA would only apply to the matter presented in the application, correct? For example, the Carter Page FISA wouldn’t provide cover for unauthorized surveillance of the alpha server. If L.Jean Camp was monitoring the alpha server from May 1 2016 until September 2016, as reported, how was she able to do that without a warrant if contractor access was ended in April?


  13. inspectorudy says:

    Finally, Sundance is back! I have missed these inside reports of what happened and when. This is why I come to this site and now he is back on track!


  14. Hammersdad says:

    Very deep weeds.

    This is why I never, ever, bought the ‘small group’ and ‘7th Floor’ characterization of the coup plotters. What we face, and what must be combated, is an overtly Gramscian takeover of not just of DOJ, CIA, and associated enforcement agencies but of the entire edifice of the ‘Administrative State’.

    Suspend, repeal, or abolish the Pendleton Act and scrape the apparatus of the Administrative State down to bare metal. Eliminate every office and organization within it that is not functionally vital to the operation of a viable civil state and rebuild it. NO real or quasi lifetime tenure for anyone for anything (you, too, legislators), and keep them all stringently lean and focused on demonstrably necessary administrative functions.

    Rinse and repeat as necessary. It is also still true that all men are sinners and ‘every mission has its share of creeps’.

    Government is necessary for the proper function of civilized life. However, we must never forget that just like fire it is a precious tool but a frightful and hostile master. This is particularly true for any People who would account themselves as free. Acceptably well-fed slaves are none the less still enslaved and remain well-fed only at the sufferance of their masters.


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  15. ezduzit63 says:

    Great Work as always…Thank you Sundance!


  16. SJTP says:

    There is an ancient evil growing larger and ever more powerful in our world, and it is up to the lovers of God and Truth to fight it, even without a guarantee that we will win. Regardless, we know Who wins in the End. Blessings to all in that fight. I am so grateful for this website.

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  17. Question:

    The unauthorized contractors who searched, gathered, removed & exported the FISA-702 (16) & (17) data; who has possession of it now? Where is it stored? Who has it? And can we retrieve it?


  18. dogsmaw says:


  19. Gary Lacey says:

    Okay sundance, how does the DOJ file charges against the NYT, WaPo, AP, McClatchy, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS etal.
    This was more than journalistic malpractice, this was a crime! Any ideas?


    • Jim Dandy says:

      A good friend was hosed by the Times… he was interviewed for a story on Trump’s business dealings. He confirmed details about two deals Trump did in the late 90s with Deutsche Bank. The two deals alone made DB big fees, the loans paid off on time or early, and Trump made over $1.3 billion profit on just those two deals! Nothing sleazy or vaguely wrong. The Times turned it into an invented narrative of slime and foul deeds by distorting and twisting the facts, or just making them up. Never mentioned how the deals were completely clean and made Trump and his partners a 2000% return on one, and a 40,000% return on the other. The Times ignored DOCUMENTED facts to try to create a narrative of sleaze where none existed. said there was a “forgery” when that never happened. My friend was shocked and depressed. He’s a lifelong liberal who trusted them. HAHAHAAAAAA! Turns out the story ran two days before the Mueller report was released… Obviously they had been leaked that the report was gonna kill the Russian collaboration lie they’d been selling so they had to change the narrative fast.

      This isn’t conjecture. It’s FACT. How do you write a story about Trump getting two loans from a bank and fail to mention they not only performed perfectly, but generated ten figures in profits, and are probably the most profitable real estate deals ever done by a single developer within one year in NY?? THAT would make Trump look like a genius builder. The Times only runs negative stories on Trump. Full stop.

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  20. SSI01 says:

    Yours truly was involved in gathering information for FISA court submissions for CI/CT investigations my former agency was a part of. I don’t know how the FBI did it, but our legal staff went to the nth degree to ensure we were in compliance with all directives covering the FISA affidavit submission process. It would appear the FBI was, once again, treated much differently than the rest of the US law enforcement community by the court, plus played fast and loose with its own facts. When this whole snarled mess is laid open to the full light of day we are going to see how the Bureau lied and cheated to get what it wanted, and coasted on its past reputation to do so, and was given way, way too much credit by the FISA judges for being in compliance with the law.

    I believe lying on a Federal search warrant affidavit is a felony. Let’s see if the agents, supervisors, and FBI attorneys involved do any time, or suffer any serious personal or professional loss for doing so.

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  21. Sue Fowler says:

    And yet barry roams free. Not even a gallows in sight. Don’t get your hopes up about Mueller kerfluffle. NOTHING HAS CHANGED.


  22. litlbit2 says:

    At what point does the, new-honest AG, start the same process on every individual using 16 & 17 that is connected with this criminal activity. There have been crimes committed, crimes continuing(coverup), therefore start the real investigation! Or be a addition to a criminal gang.

    From reading Sundance above, Judges FISA Court Collyer “is not a easy read….” imo, without the electorate reading Sundance, which they do not. The same smoke and mirrors, protect the agency, do not rock the boat, lets hide behind the desk collect the check, who will ever know.

    To me everyday AG Barr appears to be in a spot like President Trump, with massive push back and evil enemies. I maybe wrong time will tell, but AG Barr will need to dig really deep to match the strength and determination to give this country (USA) back to the folks, legal American Citizens

    2020 MAGA

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  23. Bob, Esq. says:

    Highlights the fraudulent nature of our previous “president.”

    Obama on Mass Government Surveillance, Then and Now, May 13, 2014


  24. Anthonydog says:



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