Senator Kennedy asks President Trump to Declassify FISA Application…

The original requests to declassify the Carter Page FISA application came in January 2018 as a result of the Nunes memo.   A classified and heavily redacted version of the application was released July 21st, 2018.  A month later, in August 2018, Congress again requested the Trump administration to declassify the document(s).

In September 2018 DAG Rod Rosenstein told the President if he followed through with the request Special Counsel Mueller would consider that an obstruction of his investigation:

As a consequence of the Rosenstein threat President Trump reversed course (tweets above) and announced after Horowitz completed his investigation the FISA would be declassified and released.

The mid-term elections were held in November 2018; democrats took over the House.

In March 2019, after the Special Counsel finished his investigation, a now minority in congress again formally asked President Trump (3rd time) to declassify the FISA application.

On May 23rd, 2019, President Trump announced he was giving Attorney General Bill Barr the authority to declassify the FISA application, timed to support the IG investigation:

The DOJ has argued in court that President Trump has delegated his declassification authority to the U.S. Attorney General, and the AG is under no requirement to make any information public.

On December 9th, 2019, IG Horowitz published his 500 page report on the details of the FISA application; but did not include the application itself.  It was not declassified.

Today, Senator John Kennedy (R-LA), again asks President Trump to declassify the FISA application.  This is the fifth request from congress:

WASHINGTON – Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.) is calling on President Trump to declassify the record of the FBI’s use of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to surveil former campaign adviser Carter Page after the Justice Department’s inspector general found errors in the applications.

“The Inspector General report showed the FBI was willing to do anything in order to spy on Carter Page, including making 17 significant inaccuracies and omissions. The American public deserves to know everything the FBI did,” Kennedy said in a statement Friday.

“I’m asking President Trump to declassify the entire record so that Attorney General Barr and FBI Director Wray can release it to the American people. If the FBI wants to continue the employment of rogue, politically-motivated agents, then let the public read the entire record.”  (read more)


This is only one document; however, the intransigence of the DOJ and FBI to release the declassified material to the public is based on one objective: protect the institutions and the officials within those institutions from exposure of their corrupt activity.

There is no investigative value in hiding the FISA application from public review.  This willful effort to conceal damaging material to the DOJ and FBI is similar to the reason why the DOJ refuses to provide the origination material, scope memos, for the special counsel.

It has been 200 days since President Trump empowered AG Bill Barr to release the original authorizing framework of the Mueller investigation which began on May 17, 2017.

The Mueller investigation concluded nine months ago, and yet we are not allowed to know what the authorizing 2017 framework was?…. Nor the 2nd DOJ scope memo of August 2nd, 2017?… Nor the 3rd DOJ scope memo of October 20th, 2017?….

Amid the twists and turns many people have forgotten about the material congress asked President Trump to declassify two years ago.  Additionally there has been some material cited that just seemingly slipped away without follow-up.  Consider:

  • Whatever happened to the forty pages of Lisa Page and Andrew McCabe text messages that Catherine Herridge noted nine months ago?  Herridge only published four of the pages in March 2019.
  • Why are the Lisa Page and Peter Strzok text messages still redacted two years after their original release (December 1st, 2017)?
  • Where’s the release of the Susan Rice inauguration day memo to the file?
  • Why didn’t the DOJ/FBI release all of the Bruce Ohr 302’s without redaction?  Will those fully unredacted 302’s be part of the IG report release?
  • Where’s the unredacted David Archey FBI declarations that were previously ordered to be released by a DC judge?
  • The Mueller investigation ended 9 months ago.  Why are we still not able to see the  unredacted three authorization memos that Rosenstein gave to the special counsel on May 17th, August 2nd and October 20th, 2017?

Those simple questions (and releases) are in addition to the original list that congress provided to President Trump back in the summer of 2018.  A declassification list that DAG Rod Rosenstein asked President Trump not to release until after the Mueller investigation. Again, the Mueller investigation ended nine months ago; President Trump authorized AG Bill Barr to declassify the material six months ago on May 23rd.

This was the second list from congress in the summer of 2018:

  • All versions of the Carter Page FISA applications (DOJ) (FBI) (ODNI).
  • All of the Bruce Ohr 302’s filled out by the FBI. (FBI) (ODNI) [Without redactions]
  • All of Bruce Ohr’s emails (FBI) (DOJ) (CIA) (ODNI). All supportive documents and material provided by Bruce Ohr to the FBI. (FBI) [Without redactions]
  • All relevant documents pertaining to the supportive material within the FISA application. (FBI) (DOJ-NSD ) (DoS) (CIA) (DNI) (NSA) (ODNI);
  • All intelligence documents that were presented to the Gang of Eight in 2016 that pertain to the FISA application used against U.S. person Carter Page; including all intelligence documents that may not have been presented to the FISA Court. (CIA) (FBI) (DOJ) (ODNI) (DoS) (NSA)  Presumably this would include the recently revealed State Dept Kavalac email; and the FBI transcripts from wiretaps of George Papadopoulos (also listed in Carter Page FISA). [AKA ‘Bucket Five’]
  • All unredacted text messages and email content between Lisa Page and Peter Strzok on all devices. (FBI) (DOJ) (DOJ-NSD) (ODNI)
  • The originating CIA “EC” or two-page electronic communication from former CIA Director John Brennan to FBI Director James Comey that started Operation Crossfire Hurricane in July 2016. (CIA) (FBI) (ODNI)

Additionally, since the 2018 list was developed, more information surfaced about the underlying material.  This added to the possibility of documents for declassification:

♦ The August 2nd, 2017, two-page scope memo provided by DAG Rod Rosenstein to special counsel Robert Mueller to expand the fraudulent Trump investigation, and initiate the more purposeful obstruction of justice investigation. Also the October 20th, 2017, third scope memo that expanded the investigation again, and targeted additional people including Michael Flynn’s family. The Scope Memos are keys to unlocking the underlying spy/surveillance cover-up. [SEE HERE and SEE HERE]

♦ The July 31st, 2016, Crossfire Hurricane counterintelligence operation originated from a scheme within the intelligence apparatus.  The CIA operation  created the originating “Electronic Communication” memo. Declassify that two-page “EC” document that Brennan gave to Comey.  [The trail is found within the Weissmann report and the use of Alexander Downer – SEE HERE]

♦ Release and declassify all of the Comey memos that document the investigative steps taken by the FBI as an outcome of the operation coordinated by CIA Director John Brennan in early 2016.  [The trail was memorialized by James Comey – SEE HERE]  Release and declassify the declarations of FBI Agent David Archey that describe the purpose of the Comey memos:

♦ Reveal the November 2015 through April 2016 FISA-702 search query abuse by declassifying the April 2017 court opinion written by FISC Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer. Show the FBI contractors behind the 85% fraudulent search queries. [Crowdstrike? Fusion-GPS? Nellie Ohr? Daniel Richman?]  This was a weaponized surveillance and domestic political spying operation. [The trail was laid down in specific detail by Judge Collyer – SEE HERE]

♦ Did anyone question former DOJ-NSD (National Security Division) head John Carlin, and get his testimony about why he hid the abuse from the FISA court in October 2016; why the DOJ-NSD rushed the Carter Page application to beat NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers to the FISA court; and why did John Carlin quit immediately thereafter?

♦ The Carter Page FISA application (October 2016) was fraudulent, and likely based on deceptions to the FISA Court. Declassify the entire document, and release the transcripts of those who signed the application(s); and/or depose those who have not yet testified. The creation of the Steele Dossier was the cover-up operation. [SEE HERE]  What version of the FISA application will be released (if at all)?

♦ Release all of the Lisa Page and Peter Strzok text messages without redactions. Let sunlight pour in on the actual conversation(s) that were taking place when Crossfire Hurricane (July ’16) and the FISA Application (Oct ’16) were taking place.  The current redactions were made by the people who weaponized the intelligence system for political surveillance and spy operation.  This is likely why Page and Strzok texts were redacted!

♦ Release all of Bruce Ohr 302’s without redactions.  And FBI notes from interviews and debriefing sessions, and other relevant documents associated with the interviews of Bruce Ohr and his internal communications. Including exculpatory evidence that Bruce Ohr may have shared with FBI Agent Joseph Pientka. [And did anyone get a deposition from this Pientka fella?] Bruce Ohr is the courier, carrying information from those outside to those on the inside.

Yes it is good the FISA investigation report was released December 9th, but if all of the underlying documents are not declassified there is a risk the information therein is subject to interpretation and/or manipulation.

There is a lot of material the public is aware of; and if the DOJ IG doesn’t release the underlying material then what exactly was the purpose of AG Bill Barr asking President Trump for the declassification authority?

Declassification authority is not internal.  The purpose of declassifying documents is to allow a public release… Accountability requires transparency.

If you wonder why FBI Director Christopher Wray is still employed… that lack of transparency is exactly why there’s a lack of accountability.

Wait for President Trump to be impeached, and then release documents?

Great plan!


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426 Responses to Senator Kennedy asks President Trump to Declassify FISA Application…

  1. Michael Kunz says:

    Sundance, you must have one hell of a filing system, Thanks.

    Liked by 20 people

    • trnathens says:

      Sundance, must he not wait until he IS impeached, to declassify as a defensive tactic, rather than declassify now, which shuts down the process, but is perceived as: shutting down the process. Whereas, after impeachment, the release is defensive, meaning, the declassification is justified and explainable as the ONLY way to counter the Democrat claims. And that takes away the sources/methods argument that will inevitably come with declassification. The Democrats can’t wait for him to declassify because THEN they have a high crime (in their minds at least): revealing sources and methods.

      That has to be their thinking, right?

      Otherwise, why continue. Unless, they know something about the Senate that we don’t know. What if they convict? It wouldn’t be hard. What if that happens? What next?

      Liked by 1 person

    • mr.piddles says:

      I bet he’s got the whole kit ‘n kaboodle up in his noggin’.

      Liked by 2 people

  2. Michael Kunz says:

    Sundance, you must have one hell of a filing system, Thanks.

    Liked by 4 people

  3. Greg1 says:

    Release it all!

    Let the world see what the democrats, and their true believers in fbi, DOJ, and elsewhere actually did!

    Liked by 19 people

  4. Bryan says:

    If Trump was hanging onto this stuff for a Senate trial, this was the longest, most epic of long plays ever done by any politician ever. Rudy comes back from Ukraine and offers to brief Senate GOP leaders as soon as they are available. All of a sudden, McConnell is publicly stating he will be doing whatever the president’s lawyers want him to do vis-a-vis a Senate trial. It’s all very interesting. Either this is a big con job meant to fake out the Dems, or the Dems are going to regret going down this impeachment track they are on.

    Liked by 19 people

    • Publius2016 says:

      I think an Impeachment Trial is really the only venue to release the docs in an open forum! Its very hard to overcome the “methods” objection…but fighting for the Presidency: NO HOLDs “on BARR”!

      Liked by 7 people

      • Sentient says:

        If they’re released before or during senate deliberations, the Dems would call that an inappropriate attempt to sway the senate – and basis for another impeachment. McConnell says there’s zero chance of removal. Maybe the president should wait until the moment the senate rejects his ouster and then release everything. Just spitballing here.

        Liked by 3 people

    • Hmmm... says:

      I believe that is what happened and is happening. I base that upon the escalation in the Flynn case which only really started once it was clear that there was not going to be impeachment based on Mueller’s investigation. I believe the plan was to expose that during the impeachment trial.

      Semi-related I saw a smug twitter post from someone (probably emptywheel) saying that Sidney Powell came up empty in the IG report. If Pientka is indeed agent 1 in the report then it is almost certain that this is very far from being true.

      Liked by 4 people

  5. bluebongo says:

    Since President Trump had no issue releasing the call transcripts with the Ukraine President he should just order the release of all the information gathered by the intelligence apparatus during all of the investigations against him. Not only would it end every investigation immediately the result would be the complete shedding of sunlight on exactly what our intelligence agencies have done. It would also cause extreme public backlash against the entire Democrat party for directing it, but also drive significant structural changes to how intelligence is gathered against us. Entire agencies would be completely realigned or outright eliminated. Our government is out of control, and the nuclear option is the only way.

    Liked by 10 people

    • EJ says:

      In John the Baptist teaching, wheat referred to the kingdom of heaven. John the Baptist discussed separating wheat from chaff. According to John wheat will be taken into God’s storehouse while weeds and chaff are destroyed.

      The farmer separated wheat kernels from chaff (dirt, grain hulls) using winnowing. Winnowing consisted of throwing the threshed materials (chaff and grain) into the air with a fork or a basket. Wind (time?) separated valuable wheat grains from chaff. Because wheat kernels were heavier than chaff, they fell to the ground or back into the basket. The lighter chaff, dirt, etc., were blown away by wind. At times, farmers used fans (news?) to create air currents to separate chaff and other impurities away from valuable wheat kernels.

      God doesn’t want any individual to perish. He gives each person time to repent. Regretfully, individuals who don’t repent and trust in Jesus as their Savior are going to be pulled up, bundled, and destroyed.

      Liked by 1 person

    • amazed treetop downlooker says:

      YES, ABSOLUTELY SO, Great point !

      Liked by 1 person

    • distracted2 says:

      I agree. The people who believe we are incapable of reason and rational thought are the same people who believe we are incapable of choosing our president.

      The healing will only begin in the sunlight.

      Liked by 1 person

  6. trump20162024 says:

    Sen. Kennedy should also demand the release of the Kennedy files, the JFK and RFK files.

    Liked by 9 people

  7. Elric VIII says:

    It is possible that some of the documents may be evidence in prosecutions by Durham, but some of the documents are surely irrelevant to any pending cases. So, either Attorney General Barr, and by extension, President Trump, believes it isn’t the proper time to declassify (Big Finale), or Attorney General/FBI Director Wray are indeed doing damage control.

    Liked by 6 people

    • Jim in TN says:

      Doesn’t matter that they are evidence for Durham. The culprits already know what is in them. And they know Durham has access to them if he wants it.

      Even if they are used in a grand jury, they have an existence all their own outside of the grand jury, and releasing them does nothing to tell us if they are being used in a grand jury or not.

      Not releasing them has continually caused this country harm, caused the President harm, and allowed bad people to wreak more harm. Rosenstein and Mueller should be tried for blackmail. And Barr better hurry up and release them.

      Liked by 8 people

  8. Chimpy says:

    President Trump isn’t releasing these documents for a reason. Apparently. I don’t know why. Seems like he would greatly benefit by doing so.

    Liked by 4 people

    • GH15 says:

      Is it possible they are part of Durham’s investigation?

      Liked by 2 people

    • There’s only one reason he hasn’t…..a good one!

      Liked by 1 person

    • WSB says:

      This is from SD’s second link…declassification authority. I don’t know if the graphic will show, however the stipulation as to whether ONLY Barr has been transferred authority or if a sitting President retains ultimate authority to declassify is a bit muddy in this jpg.

      If I were a Constitutional scholar, I would say that giving an AG authority to declassify does not relinquish a Constitutional Presidential duty to declassify when deemed necessary.

      Here is the finding:

      Now, I happened to hear a commercial on the car radio this afternoon from Mark Simone. I know, coincidental.

      It was eye opening…Mark starts with the President’s timing….”impeccable.” Then he continues, “Why wouldn’t the President wait until the Democrat Convention to start indicting” all of the co-conspirators?

      Ha…yes! The Apprentice!

      Liked by 6 people

    • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

      Those documents are valuable. We want him to declassify and release them because we want to see them. But I do believe it’s in President Trump’s best interests to hang on to them until he absolutely has no other choice.

      Impeachment is no big deal. Everyone knows it’s a sham. Dems are gonna Dem. That’s our fault anyway, we lost that House majority.

      Liked by 3 people

      • The Devilbat says:

        No it is NOT our fault. McConnell refused the president’s request to form an investigative team to look into the massive voter fraud that the democrats always use. He claimed that there was insufficient money in the budget to justify it.

        Anyone who watched the midterms has to have noticed how the democrats took the house using ballot stuffing and other nefarious methods.

        One only has to look at what happened in Broward county, Florida where they locked the doors of the building where the votes were being counted – manipulated and even refused to allow entry to the governor into the building. Meanwhile there were pictures of people taking boxes of ballots into the building.

        How many republicans were in the midst of celebrating their victories across the country when they were told that more ballots had been discovered and that it was the democrat who had one and not them.

        How about other parts of the country where 100% of all votes went to the democrats. That is obviously a mathematical impossibility. Not one republican vote in many entire counties.

        It was not the American people’s fault. The sad fact is that Mitch McConnell is working on a different agenda. He is a deep state animal who is working on the deep state’s agenda.

        Liked by 4 people

        • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

          I posted some detailed info about IA-3. It’s in the Presidential Open thread. Take a look. It’s not voter theft, it’s stupid voters who think their individual candidates are more important than majorities. I recall many comments here on CTH back before the 2018 election from people who didn’t like their GOP candidates. You still have to vote for them in the general election and don’t let the Dem win. People who failed to vote for their GOP candidates are responsible for this impeachment crap and other misery.

          Liked by 1 person

    • Patience says:

      Leverage and Mystique


  9. AnotherView says:

    I won’t vote for Trump again if these docs aren’t released.


  10. Miya says:

    This “4D chess” is the most suicidal game I’ve ever seen played.

    I hope Trump has a plan beyond expecting anyone in swampland to do the right thing. Otherwise he’s going to be genuinely surprised when the Senate botes to remove him and the overlords i. The House use their newfound power to undo everything he’s done for the last three years.

    I’m praying for a Christmas miracle because I can’t see a successful outcome if Trump has to do this alone.

    Liked by 1 person

  11. Reserved55 says:

    First order of business, shut this psycho up.

    This is from today.

    Liked by 6 people

    • justlizzyp says:

      I am so sick of hearing about how difficult it is for other countries to work with Trump because of all the chaos – like they have no role in creating the chaos, and like former officials traveling the world undercutting the current administration doesn’t do irreparable damage.

      Liked by 5 people

    • Zorro says:

      America’s favorite Commie Islamist traitor speaks desperately.

      Liked by 9 people

    • Heika says:

      WTF…. From – “The worlds greatest snake oil salesman” himself! The biggest proven liar who ‘dispenses with the facts’… Oh boy Johnny B, the poo you are in is at about nostril level… I would just quietly slink off to the bathroom if I were you.

      Liked by 3 people

    • luke says:

      I love me some snake oil. Ohhh let’s take it offline about what it can do; I mean what it can’t. Let’s start the bids…..Frustrating to hear Brennan’s lack of belief even now. He will be reminded that it has powers beyond his short timeframe.

      Anyhow I sell snake oil for $10.95 please don’t overcrowd me with orders.

      Liked by 2 people

    • littleanniefannie says:

      Talk about a Communist deflector! It takes unmitigated gall for Brennan to call anyone a liar.

      Liked by 2 people

      • The Devilbat says:

        I think that Brennan and Comey should be treated fairly, we are not savages. They should at least be given the choice between a firing squad and a public hanging.

        Liked by 2 people

        • zekness says:

          I’ve done ministry in prisons and jails…One of the many things I’ve learned from inmates, is that being locked up…deprived of freedom of movement and deprivation is normal social activities is really hell….

          For those on death is the waiting…It’s the knowledge that you are a dead man walking. For those serving really long sentences, it is essentially a death sentence and lockup is experienced similarly.

          so, I am opposed to rapid justice for these treasonous dogs…the crime demands a higher punishment AND a warning to corrupt officials they can observe for MANY GENERATIONS!

          let them rot in prison..for the rest of their miserable lives.

          it really is the correct punishment….a quick death ….they do not deserve this..

          locked up…they experience being broken people, failures, and degenerates and reprobate every day.. They experience the full sprectrum of shame and humiliation.

          and this long sentence gives them an opportunity if they choose, to seek god’s forgiveness for their sins. Yes, even these criminals can seek redemption..but not from men…only from god. He has mercy. And while we are all sinners, there is man’s laws they have shattered that deserves the highest punishment. a life behind a wall, away from everything that is good and wholesome.

          that is justice.

          a life time sentence with no possibility of parole for the crime of sedition, treason and actual high crimes against the people of the united states.

          and when their diseased spirit is broken and they are reduced to simple dogs..

          then…. you my permission to die


    • zekness says:

      brennan has a “tell”.

      and it’s very eatly to spot

      1. he “gasps” for air, between each sentence. what this represents is anxiousness, nervousness…the inability to slow down this physical nature and rhythm.. It’s literally a natural rebellion of his own body to present a type of reaction to the forced pace to string together two or more incompatible or unsubstantiated ideas. This happens in early development in children that almost ever parent recognizes: the loud crying prolonged, then a quick “gasp” very quickly, then resuming immediately with more loud crying…..this is done to get attention…the child wants something…and wants to dominate the room with crying.. a slow authentic….a parent knows the difference. brennan’s own body and nature of the human condition do not allow him to piece together two or more bad opinions (thoughts/responses), without literally gasping for attention. This tick gives away any illusion he is not aware his is being deceptive and selfish.

      2. the sideways movement, upper body and slack arm adjustments and stiffness. This slight nudge is called “framing”..think of how a baseball player gets ready to pitch…there is a repeated body setup of motions…a sequence so that the delivery is accurate, predictable and hand eye coordination is extremely focused. It’s a ritual of sorts to get the mind trimmed to a very precise predictable outcome…a dress rehearsal to overcome stress in the moment. A type of meditation. It’s not a natural feature. It is a professionals practice. What this means is that brennan is not just merely rehearsing how to delivery his message, but is engaging a very dedicated form of “framing” so that his delivery is effective. overall, he is “framing” but it a bad tell..

      3. pace and tempo (or the lack thereof)…in normal speech, there are elements of natural emotion that affect pace, amplitude, tone and temp, even non-verbal gestures to “animate” the voice communication. With brennan, there are none of these features. His entire message is rote memory regurgitations. It’s just memorized and repeated and then shot out. Humans by nature are not tone deaf…however, in moments of stress and dishonesty…a flatness happens. Again, going back to child development and the art of lying. children who are not wise to lying will often just say “no”..or “yes”…or “I don’t know”..and the answer is often sans any emotion at all. Later when a child learns how to lie effectively, they will do so by enhancing the response/claim with some animation …a tone, a tempo and a pace that is commonly connected to normal truthful responses…It’s a keen ear and eye that can discern the subtle differences between a child not knowing HOW to respond correctly, or when they do KNOW but have made a choice to be opaque. With brennan, his speech speed, rhythm, tempo and tone shows he is deliberately saying things he knows to be untrue…his lack of animation and genuine emotional attachment suggests it. Robot like. He would not do well defending himself in any interview. Q: did wash you hands in the bathroom? brennan: absolutely. (with a stone cold face)

      when the correct response would be “haha.that’s funny….relaxed, and smiling at the humor.

      brennan pees on himself.

      now, I am no savant…but I am a parent. And I have spent a lifetime working with and for a great number of people who have been in positions of responsibility (and accountability) at the highest knife edge/life of death levels.

      and one things I have noticed…is that there are certain things people WILL do and WILL not do when they are not being honest.

      brennan pees on himself…

      and he has no pride showing it.

      I find that particularly worrying at a very deep level..

      and this man was top CIA?

      we have a problem houston.


  12. luke says:

    People are getting whiplashed by information. I count myself among them. I hope you’re wrong about the UniParty SD. I highly doubt most Senators and high level Congressmen have not “played in the grey” at times in their career. But if they are really beholden to some all seeing eye of the pyramid then we are F*****. I am not so sure it’s that simple. I think people like Graham and McConnell have been subject to the powers that be. No they’re not victims anymore than I am. I think some of them were so amazed by Trumps success and ability to cut through the media. They were equally impressed with his ability to fight back but they were skeptical. They thought maybe Russia (yada yada) did interfere and now they know that’s not true. Here’s to hoping cause if I’m wrong you Treepers better be sighting in your damn scopes haha.

    Liked by 10 people

    • GB Bari says:

      Luke, you are being either deliberately blind or you are truly (and curiously) unaware of the breadth and depth of corruption in this Senate, including many prominent Republicans.

      Old saying from Watergate era: follow the money.

      Here and elsewhere there have been many articles that have described the pay-for-play corruption among both DemonRATs like Feinstein, Schumer, and Warrner, and Uniparty Republicans from McConnell on down.

      Liked by 2 people

      • luke says:

        As I said here’s to hoping

        Liked by 1 person

      • luke says:

        I’m an eternal optimist in the field of Federal Govt Politics. Funny because I’m not a happy camper in day to day life. Lol every day we fight and it’s so crazy because one man taught me so much and I don’t need to mention his name. Whatever your trade, creed, degree the UTMOST IMPORTANT aspect is not your attitude it is your WORK ETHIC. I have seen a man defy all logic of work related ability. White collar/Blue collar it matters not….its work ethic. I marvel at his energy. He’ll I’m envious of it. PDT is a great role model and a great mentor.

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        • zekness says:

          That “eternal optimism” is no substitute for recognizing facts and fact patterns.

          Introduce yourself to some fact based optimism.

          You gain a better moral and ethical reference that does not need to spend a single dime on reckless faith.

          Look I’ve been scammed. But I notice it.

          And I react to it. I don’t give one single damned WHO has scammed me…I recognize fraud and criminal conduct because it’s the right thing to do. It’s how I was raised to believe in.

          This allows me to be an honest optimistic.

          There is a common saying about this matter:

          When good men do nothing….

          Don’t become that good man who does nothing.

          Optimally we desire only the best qualified honest representation on state.. In our neighborhoods.. In our homes. In our places of worship.

          So we notice corruption and knife it out for the cancer that it is and the harm out creates.

          This is a time to feel confident and optimistic. We are literally witnessing a seat change. The tide rolls back and we get to understand who has been good and who does not deserve our trust.

          Simple as that.

          I have family members who don’t seem to want to know and absolutely ignore and refuse to understand the kinds of corruption in DC. They don’t want it to be true. So by ignoring it confirms the bias.

          And THAT is why we are where we are right now.

          Challenge yourself to step back ..recognize corruption and go end it.

          Think of it as your Civic duty.

          Because it is.

          From a skeptical optimistic..

          Liked by 1 person

  13. 335blues says:

    By not declassifying and releasing documents that no legal reason to be classified,
    I think it looks like Trump is hiding something.

    Liked by 1 person

    • albertus magnus says:

      I think many people think like you do.

      I am not one of them.

      I think PDJT is focused on the other issues he campaigned on and they are where his heart and mind are….declassifying all of this would create such a backlash against most corners that he believes that he will not be able to get HIS agenda through.

      So he just lives through the BS.

      Liked by 2 people

  14. LIG says:

    Bring the sunshine. The Democrats kept saying “if the President has nothing to hide then let’s chase this Leviathan.” Bring it on. Expose it all. The fib and CIA and state department all after the President. Let the people see and decide. TrUMP 2020. Make America Great. Keep America Great.

    Liked by 3 people

  15. EnoughIsEnough says:

    I hold out hope that declass hasn’t happened because it is evidence in Durham’s investigation.

    Liked by 4 people

  16. Zippy says:

    “The mid-term elections were held in November 2018; democrats took over the House.”

    Mifsud’s taped deposition was made in the SUMMER of 2018.

    Liked by 2 people

  17. franz dorn says:

    Declassify everything!


  18. franz dorn says:

    Declassify everything!

    Liked by 2 people

  19. JohnCasper says:

    “This is only one document; however, the intransigence of the DOJ and FBI to release the declassified material to the public is based on one objective: protect the institutions and the officials within those institutions from exposure of their corrupt activity.”

    There are many self-evident truths that have now become obvious to the American people. Read from the point of view of the People talking to the political swamp in Washington D.C.: We don’t believe you.

    You are all dishonest crooks and horrible people who should never be trusted again.
    The intelligence community is the enemy of the people and must be dismantled if any American is to ever be truly free.
    We are not going to voluntarily hand over our guns. You may come try to take them by force, but we will shoot you if you try.
    We are withdrawing our consent. You are now a rogue enemy government that we finally recognize as the ENEMY.
    We are never going to vote for establishment candidates ever again.
    We will not live as slaves, suffering under your tyranny. We would rather die as Americans, defending our liberty and our republic.
    If we ever get the chance, we will arrest all of you and throw you in prison for as long as you live.
    We will no longer cooperate with your sham court system, your corrupt FBI and your lawless federal regulators. They are all fraudulent, criminal cartels that have no legitimate authority. You have lost the consent of “the governed.”

    I’m sure you can think of dozens more, but that short list sums up the highlights.

    Liked by 1 person

  20. Reserved55 says:

    “Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said his name as part of a series of names during a live hearing Wednesday night aired on television. He never called him the whistleblower, just said he was someone Republicans thought should testify, yet Democrats angrily denounced the “outing.” If you don’t know the man’s name, how do you know the man’s name?”

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  21. Dances with Wolverines says:

    If President Trump is not worried about them being released, why should I?

    Liked by 2 people

    • sundance says:

      Liked by 9 people

      • JohnCasper says:

        Today’s illiberal and regressive democrats have hate on the hoof, a plethora of platitudes, demagoguery by the demijohn, corruption in the coup, lies on the lips and bats in the belfry — that is what they offer America and that it is all they offer America.

        Liked by 2 people

      • jus wundrin says:

        Mr. President, be weary of the ides of March from many of the senate so called repubs.


    • Some old guy says:

      I understand and share the frustration of the no release/slow release of information, but I think we all need to recall is the President acted recently without precedent (IIRC) in quickly releasing a highly classified and sensitive of a transcript b/n the President and the leader of Ukraine. I don’t know why the FISA application hasn’t yet been released but I strongly suspect it will. I’m not a “Trust the Plan” guy in a Q sense, but I just can’t believe Wray or anyone else can “Barr” this man at this date from releasing the information IF, PDJT wants it released.

      Liked by 1 person

    • albertus magnus says:

      Totally agree, DanceswithWolverines!


    • Dances with Wolverines says:

      The President is either being held hostage within his own Executive Branch or this all some kind of a head fake. The President never tweets about seeking justice against those who have committed horrendous crimes against him, his office and our Country, yet he speaks often about this never happening to another President again. I cannot imagine being chosen to be President of the United States of America only to discover every single career bureaucrat who works for you is aligned against you. Yet he always seems to persevere, taking all the slings and arrows.

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  22. Somebody's Gramma says:

    Thank you Sundance for reminding the world what remains to be seen. I’m still on the trust Barr train, but I’m just as anxious as y’all for the darkness to see the light of day, and the whole unglorious truth to be on full display. I hope this is a huge turning point for our country. I pray that the entire declassification occurs and that henceforth we don’t play the secrecy games – not within our Republic. I want every single Swamp Rat exposed and I don’t care if [they] try to pull the entire banking system down with them. We’ll start over. Amen?

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  23. Skidroe says:

    Yes the IG report was released( finally ). Yes many laws were broken, lies, fraud by crooks exposed but I believe we only know of about .005% of the total. So much more!

    Liked by 4 people

    • BobR says:

      So how about some charging documents? Don’t give me this bs about a speedy trial. A smart prosecutor can incarcerate and charge as necessary for leverage. WTH is going on ? Unless nothing is going on.

      Liked by 1 person

  24. Mike in a Truck says:

    Maybe the question that should be asked is WHY PDJT is not declassifying.Timing in politics,business and warfare is everything.

    Liked by 3 people

    • Daniel M. Camac says:

      Mike in a Truck, Yep. You got it. I hope you’re sitting in an old Dodge Power Wagon 3 speed running through some snow drifts cuz Uncle Trump is coming and He’s got lots of presents for you and me. Not so much for those evil scumbags of the DC corridor.

      He could have blown this whole sheetwad skyhigh several months if not years ago but
      Hey, IT’s Donald.

      I will fight and die for this man and I think many more feel this way.

      He is fighting for us and we will RECIPROCATE! #KAG

      Liked by 4 people

    • WSB says:

      “2020 Democratic National Convention

      The 2020 Democratic National Convention is an event in which delegates of the United States Democratic Party will choose the party’s nominees for President and Vice President in the 2020 United States presidential election. The convention is scheduled to be held from July 13–16, 2020, at the Fiserv Forum in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.”


      Just wondering. PT spent years studying the short term, only term, memory of the American human. On TV. His shows were epic for keeping the audience mesmerized. Up to the very last boardroom meeting. Always suspense.

      Remember when PT says he was too early on Pocahontas?


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    • WSB says:

      PS…Wiki-poo’s term is ‘Democratic’….mine would be ‘Democrat’.

      Liked by 2 people

  25. Harry says:

    This entire thing about Trump being continuously blackmailed by people (like Rosenstein) that whatever Trump does to expose will count as obstruction and he will be impeached is mind blowing. Even more unbelievable that Trump fell for it. Trump should have known , no matter what, he will be impeached and that was the plan as soon as dems get majority. Only way to stopa coup is to expose with a hurricane windforce flow of information so that no one can ignore it. Now that is is set on stone that he will be impeach “what does HE has to lose?” May I ask?
    Play balancing games with crooked people of both sides is not working anymore. its time for hardball and fight evil with truth. thats what God said. The final battle is always between evil and truth. Truth wins, not compromise.

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  26. Liberals are the Party of Hate world wide. They destroy everything they get near

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  27. mtk says:

    In September 2018 DAG Rod Rosenstein told the President if he followed through with the request Special Counsel Mueller would consider that an obstruction of his investigation:

    Would not it be highly instructive, to see the legal argument made be RR that to declassify would be view by Mueller an act of obstruction. To me that would be more illuminating than the the actual declassification of the underlying documents.

    Therefore add to the declassification list… RR argumentation not to declassify!

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  28. MitchRyderDetroitWheels says:

    Hillary has to commit this month to running (I believe that is correct) or she will not be able to be on the ballots for super Tuesday. I believe the Donald is hold out for her to get in and then blast them.

    Liked by 3 people

    • MR52 says:

      From the Washington Examiner:

      New Hampshire’s Democratic primary ballot access filing deadline for the Feb. 11 first-in-the-nation primary is Nov. 15. Deadlines for March 3 Super Tuesday states Alabama, Arkansas, and California are Nov. 8, Nov. 12, and Nov. 26, respectively. Most of the 10 other states expected to hold primaries on Super Tuesday have ballot access deadlines in December.

      Those hoping to make a splash in the first-in-the-nation Feb. 3 Iowa caucuses have a bit more time, with a Jan. 19 deadline. Nevada’s deadline for the Feb. 22 caucuses is Jan. 1, and South Carolina’s Feb. 29 primary has a Dec. 4 deadline.

      … But Richard Winger, editor of Ballot Access News, noted that participating in any or all the primaries is not technically necessary to secure the party’s presidential nomination.

      …. Winger told the Washington Examiner. “If the convention is deadlocked on the first ballot and even the second ballot, anyone can get nominated whether they run in the primaries or not. I mean, the real purpose of primaries is to choose delegates to the national convention, and the party can do what it wants once it’s in a convention, especially when they’re deadlocked.”

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    • Beau Geste says:

      she can be voted in at the dem convention if no other candidate wind in the first few rounds – which is why there are spo many candidates. so none reach a majority.
      and if biden “wins”, she van be vp candidate when biden withdraws. meanwhile, she does not have to campaign, answer questions, or have her crooked past be publicized.

      Liked by 5 people

      • Sentient says:

        If she were Biden’s VP, she’d try to help him win and plan to bump him off. It would fail because Biden would lose.

        Liked by 2 people

      • mushr45m says:

        VP for Biden?
        That thinking is so evil…It just might be true!

        But, agree, she’ll have to hitch her wagon to another horse. A Covfefe type!

        …Of which they don’t have.


      • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

        She would NEVER be Biden’s VP. Heck even Stacy Abrams said no way to that. Hillary is too good (in her mind) to be VP.


        • mushr45m says:

          Agreed. Joking. (But as crazed as they are right now??)
          My point was, means to an end.
          If Biden were to win, they have 40 years of corruption on him.
          He gets forced to resign (health reasons, 25th- dementia).
          Mrs. President

          Again, flaw in plan is…no horse as good as Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999!


        • evergreen says:

          Heck yes, she’d be his VP. Of course, he’d retire shortly after inauguration due to medical issues.


    • margarite1 says:

      The Daily Mail was flattering Hillary’s recent “refreshed” appearance. She obviously had work done and she ought to demand her money back if she thinks her new look will help her get elected – she looks HORRIBLE.


      • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

        Looks like she had a quart of filler injected in the “tear troughs” under her eyes. It’s way out of line with the rest of her face. She does indeed look horrible.

        This is a photo of her from Dec 10 at a Jewish Labor Committee event:

        Liked by 2 people

        • The Devilbat says:

          Hillary had a double come out to see the media after she collapsed at the 911 ceremony. She was reported on the news an hour later to have died in some obscure hospital in the Bronx that was enroute from Manhattan to her home. Is It really possible that Hillary really is dead and has been replaced by her double? I wouldn’t put anything past the democrats.

          I have to admit that she sounds the same but she looks different to me. Why are we not seeing the head nodding and eye rolling that we saw in 2016? Where is the doctor who was standing behind her with an injector pen? Enquiring bats want to know.


          • rvsueandcrew says:

            From what I’ve seen of Demoncrat scheming it is more plausible to me that they have been using the double quite often and the frequency increases as the public becomes more confused about the real Hillary’s appearance. I wonder if there is facial recognition technology that can be used on photos taken over the past three years . . . . .


    • seekingthetruth2 says:

      Presidential candidate filing requirements, 2020 : Partisan primary candidate requirements, 2020

      From each congressional district, 1% of registered party members or 500, whichever is fewer

      That’s today! Does this mean HRC can not be on the ballot unless she filed no later than today?


  29. Bill says:

    This is Trumps ace in the sleeve. I say hold that puppy back until it’s time to go nuclear. He has these pigs on the ropes without releasing it. Don’t blow your load too soon PDJT. That’s my thoughts on this. And I trust Trump knows when it will be time to declass. He’s been a master of everything else so far. I’m sure he’s got this.

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  30. Bruce_Dern's_Finger says:

    Declassify the FISA application!?
    Get a court order and open the sealed records of Obama and his past, instead.
    That’ll take care of 90% of the fraud, waste, and abuse in Washington, DC (District of Corruption).

    Dang_nab_it. I have been furnishing my email address every time I write a comment on this website, but no one on the other end replies to me with a return message using my email address. What’s with that?


  31. TeaForAll says:

    Lets all contact President Trump and ask to have FISA applications released ASAP

    Liked by 2 people

  32. bessie2003 says:

    Yes, all of it needs to be released, now.

    Even with the IG FISA report out, with even some of the liberal media starting to acknowledge it was all a hoax, the majority of the liberal friends/family I know are clinging to the illusion, still convinced that it is imperative to impeach, and remove from office, President Trump because they are still under the illusion that he was and is still in the pocket of Russia.

    I am giving up on the hard-corest of them as there are a few that have gone very silent after having posted and shared with them interviews, articles from their trusted left-wing news sources and believe they are beginning to realize they were conned. Once I know for sure with them will be sharing with them links to the Walk Away movement posts, give them a road to comfortably come back to reality with.

    But – it is those hard-core believers that are actually quite dangerous, because they are fanatics and it is necessary for people in authority – whether DOJ, FBI or even some damn retired news outlet head these people trust, like a John Steward comedian that these people actually took in his routine as actual news, otherwise there is a ledge they will fall over, and who knows what will happen, and I honestly believe it will be the federal government’s fault because of not releasing and unredacting the material. Sunlight is what is needed now, before this impeachment thing goes one day further.

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  33. JAS says:

    “I’m asking President Trump to declassify the entire record so that Attorney General Barr and FBI Director Wray can release it to the American people. If the FBI wants to continue the employment of rogue, politically-motivated agents, then let the public read the entire record.”

    I’m sorry to bring this up again, for the eleventieth time.

    POTUS can be read in on everything. BUT ON HIS OWN HE CANNOT DECLASSIFY unless he is the classifying authority (very rare). All POTUS can do is ask the CLASSIFYING AUTHORITY (a person) to declassify. It is then up to the classifying authority to declassify, or not. Only exception in law is declassification after 25 years. UNLESS, there are other mitigating circumstances that would endanger the security of the United States.

    Giving Barr “declassification authority” is not true. It just means that POTUS has delegated Barr the authority to be read in on everything POTUS can be read in.


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        Sundance has written extensively on this subject in the past. Not sure how to do the search for ( try seearch terms FISA or Declassify) it but the answer is here to be found


    • sDee says:

      Or somebody could just leak the damn thing! The FBI and DoJ have leaking down to a science. Or maybe blow a whistle on it.

      Fair is fair in this coup and the war against the Republic.

      Liked by 2 people

    • rayvandune says:

      Who is the declassifying authority? Wray? CIA?
      Martial Law… this is how you get it.


      • ezpz2 says:

        President Trump is the declassifying authority. Just because he delegated it to Barr, it’s still refundable anytime POTUS decides to reassert that authority.

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        • zekness says:

          pendant moment for accuracy:

          delegating authority (in this case and most all others) is simply sharing the does not and can NOT mean to permanently move it to another. The principle retains the authority..the delegation is the simply the approval that an authority can be used other than the principle.

          it is this way in the military.

          example: when I sign an official command letter, where I have delegated authority of that commanding officer, the principal, I MUST write “by direction” in my signature.

          However, this does not remove the responsibility at all of the commanding officer. It simply allows me to act on his behalf.. A letter of this delegated authority will also be filed with a narrow score, references specific policy, regulations and statutes that I can actually use that specific delegated authority. For instance, if the “by direction” authority is to signs letters regarding command policy but not of authorities restricted to only those of lets say UCMJ regulation, I would not be able to convene an article 15 disciplinary action. That remains with the Commanding Officer. So there are limits.

          I would imagine this is similar, but at obvious scale with POTUS and anyone he delegates authorities. It’s efficient to do so, and it also allows POTUS to act correctly as he would not be expected to administer the Department of Justice ..he has appointed an AG for that after all.

          now, on the issue of actual declas of material. That is very complicated. There are legal statutes that come into play, and not solely related to POTUS ultimate executive powers. A court could find a real problem with ANYONE that releases classified material that is otherwise protected by law. Arbitrary release of classmat is never a good wise idea…You are going to have a big headache with unintended consequences..and not merely political consequences…although those ARE important to realize when you are thinking of going down that road.

          There are also real world practical issues. Classified material of the scale and scope we are talking about is controlled by several agencies within each department of the government…multiple. each princpal “marking authority” has similar but not entirely matching classification requirements. One agency, depending on what kind of secrets IT NEEDS to protect might have a marking requirement that is entirely different and separate from another, and visa versa. So there is coordination to mark the documents according to the highest level located within it. For control purposes, some agencies may not even be allowed to store or have knowledge of some parts of this material. This leads to the discussion of “compartmentalizaton”…this means, an entity will only have access to such material that it approved to have, and nothing more. If for example, the marking authority rates the material of its section, only secret, it is not permitted to have access beyond that marking..those section above secret will be redacted and obscured. In some case, due to national security sensitivity, even entire sections are removed in total..entire pages.

          now what does this mean to POTUS? How is he affected my this?

          well, sure POTUS has access to any and all classmat, of any type.

          but for practical and security reasons, POTUS does not have a stored or even a physical copy of ALL CLASSMAT in the WH. He depends entirely on each department that holds it to maintain it, and to present it when asked.

          By delegating declassification authority to Barr, what POTUS has actually done is allowed BARR to navigate the obstacles of getting access to the material. We see this as a mean to achieve a justice review. However, one also needs to understand that Barr is going to face the legal and the practical obstacles that are put in place to protect such security material..and that is difficult to manage. Traditionally, the DOJ AG only gains this kind of management and access when actively pursuing an investigation. But in this instance, POTUS has expressly given barr the responsibility to gather it all up without the need to actually have an active investigation to back up a legal reason.

          This seems like a good thing..but it ignores the real world problems, so don’t get too excited if you see Barr struggle to get quick successful progress.

          Because these are secrets, they are protected. Because the issues are related to corruption and abuse of power and the evidence is located in secret material, there is of course going to be serious deliberate actions to block barr from getting smoking gun material.

          bottom line: at the end of the day, it’s all about trust. If the corrupt have classmat that exposes their own corrupt actions, they can exploit this trust by manipulating the materials, because in the cases we are talking about…the very people who have made records into classmat are the ones who were marking authorities…and likely sole managers of it. I’ve seen such corrupt actions and its very difficult to prove because the way that compartmentalization and trust and delegations of marking authorities work.

          for example: when was the last time you saw congress demand that the CIA release what they knew and when they knew it about weapons of mass destruction in iran?

          and what did the CIA delivery?

          Therein lies the primary problem and there really isn’t a good solution.

          we need compartmentalization and we need to have a trust system.

          but when that trust ends..and corruption happens..the entire system fails ..the checks and balances can be created perfectly in any classmat handling regime..never could..never will.

          the best hope for barr and company is that the corrupt have left exposure in other ways that gives evidence. One should not look to classmat declass as and effective means to uncover corruption…it’s just too easy to manipulate…sad but true.

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    • craig says:

      The very existence of classification is defined by executive order and can be redefined by executive order. It’s insane to think that the IC, DoD, or any three letter agencies possess authority independent of the Executive Branch of whom POTUS is the head.

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      • zekness says:

        you may choose the word insane..but the essence of how classmat and delegation of authorities IN LAW to principal marking and classification officials DO in fact result in a certain independent judgement, management, storage and classification of material broadly across government, even and especially to officials and staff members who are unelected, non-appointed, persons.

        the patriot act ushered in an entirely different set of principles and expansion of access and marking and handling authorities…In theory this was rationally a positive.

        However, as we can clearly see, a break in the trust chain, corruption, politicization, and de-centralizing initiatives down to private security contractors has created a serious set of problems that are not easily fixed.

        who watches over all these things….this broad..?

        perhaps its time to pull it all back in…?

        with real audits and serious minimization?


    • dwpender says:

      We can all have a lot of technical and highly semantic discussions about this, but the simple practicalities are these:

      (1) The POTUS has the right to see (or be read-in on, if you prefer) ANY and EVERY classified document, on demand.

      (2) The POTUS then has the right to SHARE the information in any such documents with ANYONE he chooses (or at least, if you prefer, he has no liability for any such sharing).

      (3) Put (1) and (2) together and the POTUS can tell the American people any information he chooses at anytime, in any way, he chooses.


  34. Zippy says:

    A proper reaction to the damning Horowitz report would be to declassify everything relevant to it AND examine the validity of PAST FISA warrant requests. Of course the former will never happen and the latter MOST CERTAINLY will not happen because it would, I strongly suspect, expose long term fraud against the court and could result in all sorts of “fruit from the poisonous tree” related legal challenges of convictions from previous cases.

    I hope Carter Page’s supposed major pending lawsuit involving teams of lawyers reveals tons of stuff we’ll never see from the likes of DO”J” without legal mandates coming from OUTSIDE the government.

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    • Beau Geste says:

      and fraud OF the FISA Court, completely failing in its primary duty to protect Constitutional Rights of unrepresented US Citizens.

      Liked by 2 people

      • Zippy says:

        See the excellent constitutional analysis of the FISC I linked to in a post below. Here’s a sentence from that 13 Dec 2019 column:

        “My intelligence and law enforcement colleagues tell me that two generations of FBI agents have come of age believing that if they have a weak case, if they lack enough probable cause to obtain a search warrant, they can always get one from FISC.”

        Liked by 1 person

      • WSB says:

        BY the FISC, IMHO.

        Liked by 1 person

      • Zippy says:

        January 9, 2018
        Dark Side – Secret Origins of Evidence in US Criminal Cases

        Judge: [I]f, you know, there was an illegal search … followed by a legal search, but that was only obtained because now that you had the illegal search, you knew something about [the case], that would be a concern to the Court.… And that is the fruit of the poisonous tree, potentially.

        Prosecutor: I respectfully dispute that point.… [I]n fact, I don’t have any concern about that.
        – Hearing transcript, United States v. Lara (Northern District of California), December 2013

        We have in our country a Fourth Amendment and Fourth Amendment rights.… That’s a bedrock principle of our system. Essentially, this practice is an attempt to circumvent that.
        — Jessica Carmichael, Virginia-based defense attorney who has represented a client in a case of suspected parallel construction, discussing the practice with Human Rights Watch in July 2017

        In the United States today, a growing body of evidence suggests that the federal government is deliberately concealing methods used by intelligence or law enforcement agencies to identify or investigate suspects—including methods that may be illegal. It does so by creating a different story about how agents discovered the information, and as a result, people may be imprisoned without ever knowing enough to challenge the potentially rights-violating origins of the cases against them.

        Through a practice known as “parallel construction,” an official who wishes to keep an investigative activity hidden from courts and defendants—and ultimately from the public—can simply go through the motions of re-discovering evidence in some other way.

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  35. Somebody's Gramma says:

    I wonder though, since most of us assume that Obama will be implicated, if there is an unwritten rule that a current Administration dare not go after a past administration. Declassification may impact that unwritten rule. And especially since Obama was an “historic” president by virtue of the fact he was partly black. I think that’s hogwash. If we are ever to get past true racism, it means that EVERYONE is held accountable regardless of sex, race, creed and all the other add on’s. Only racists say “you can’t do/say that” because that person is in a protected class. Isn’t that why we are in the mess we are in? Identity politics has destroyed Lady Justice, who is supposedly blind. Oh but, but there’s inherent racism some say… like, you were born with a racist gene and you can’t rid yourself of it. Hogwash. If declassification implicates Obama, let it happen. Black Americans deserve, just like everyone deserves, to have someone leading our country who is truly on their side, on all our sides. We all deserve that. Protecting someone just because of their race is flat out wrong. We want the chance to elect a Black, or Hispanic, or Native American etc. president! We want the chance to elect whomever it is, who will represent ALL of us fairly and with integrity, without the baggage! We aren’t racists and it irks me to no end that Obama is being protected.
    I’m sure that’s a can of worms for some people, but it’s what a lot of us are thinking.

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  36. Mo says:

    Look people the Turtle said on live TV the President can call witnesses if he chooses. For all we know the perpetrators are all under the same type of surveillance the President was under and this whole thing is undercover big ugly. Show some patience. The President is in control.

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  37. TwoLaine says:

    John Solomon reported on Lou Dobbs tonight that no attorneys involved in this coup have been fired.

    We already know that because Michael Atkinson got himself a job over in NSC as their IG, of all things, and started himself a new coup against the President simply by changing the rules of Whistleblowers to Gossipblowers.

    Liked by 4 people


    Time to roast Media/Hoaxster scum.

    Liked by 1 person

  39. Notice how Loretta Lynch’s name is miraculously absent from all this having disappeared into the woodwork as soon as she and Bill Clinton had their secret chat at the Phoenix airport shortly before things got rolling…….Hillary’s “exoneration” and all.

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    • WSB says:

      Clivus, for 20 minutes I have been attempting to confirm a passage in the FISA Report, but for some reason when I open the PDF, it crashes.

      From what I can tell, PDF page 110 above footnote 192, discusses Loretta Lynch, either confirming or not recalling being engaged in this fiasco. However, the page keeps going black and crashing.

      If you have more luck and can screen shoot it, let me know!


  40. Heika says:

    Crisply said by Nunes

    Liked by 3 people

  41. sDee says:

    The NYT has it but we can’t see it.


    • Greg1 says:

      They knew the truth but chose to lie. What a fine headline against the NYT that would be upon declassification of the fisa if it turns out to be all we think it is. Pretty tough to dispute anything Sundance has said about it.

      Just imagine if it got declassified. What could the NYT *POSSIBLY* say?


  42. Zippy says:

    Rudy Giuliani Can Barely Contain Himself Over His Ukraine Findings
    13 Dec 2019


    Rudy Giuliani is grinning like the Cheshire cat. His standard smile.

    For the past several weeks, the personal attorney to President Trump has been in Ukraine, interviewing witnesses and gathering evidence to shed light on what the Bidens were up to during the Obama years, and get to the bottom of claims that Kiev interfered in the 2016 US election in favor of Hillary Clinton. He has enlisted the help of former Ukrainian diplomat, Andriy Telizhenko, to gather information from politicians and ask them to participate in a documentary series in partnership with One America News Network (OANN) – which will make the case for investigating the Bidens as well as Burisma Holdings – the natural gas firm which employed the son of a sitting US Vice President in a case which reeks of textbook corruption.

    According to the Journal, Giuliani will present findings from his self-described “secret assignment” in a 20-page report.

    Wall Street Journal, 13 Dec 2019:

    “Trump and Giuliani say then-Vice President Biden engaged in corruption when he called for the ouster of a Ukrainian prosecutor who had investigated a Ukrainian gas company where Hunter Biden served on the board. The Bidens deny wrongdoing, and ousting the prosecutor was a goal at the time of the U.S. and several European countries.

    “In the impeachment hearings, witnesses accused Mr. Giuliani of conducting a shadow foreign policy and orchestrating the ouster of the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine. He was described as “problematic” and “disruptive” and, in testimony that cited former national security adviser John Bolton, likened to a “hand grenade that’s going to blow everybody up.” Mr. Giuliani has said he kept the State Department apprised of his efforts and that he was working at the president’s behest.

    (Note the Wall Street Journal’s use of a straw man when they write: “The allegations of Ukrainian election interference are at odds with findings by the U.S. intelligence community that Russia was behind the election interference.”

    Apparently the three journalists who collaborated on the article didn’t get the memo that two countries can meddle at the same time, nor did any of them read the January, 2017 Politico article: Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire – which outlines how Ukrainian government officials conspired with a DNC operative to hurt the Trump campaign during the 2016 election – a move which led to the disruptive ouster of campaign chairman Paul Manafort).

    Upon his return to New York on Saturday, Giuliani says he took a call from President Trump while his plane was still taxiing down the runway, according to the Wall Street Journal.

    “What did you get?” Trump asked. “More than you can imagine,” answered the former New York mayor who gained notoriety in the 1980s for taking down the mob as a then-federal prosecutor.

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    • MDNA I says:

      Sorry. I love Rudy. But stuff like that last comment makes me think AG Barr’s real concern about Rudy is the attorney client relationship. Why the – I almost spelled out the word I have in mind – would he tell a reporter Trump knows a GD thing about what he’s up to let alone ask about it?

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  43. hawkins6 says:

    While questioning IG Horowitz, Senator Kennedy looked genuinely alarmed and upset about the FBI’s “17 significant inaccuracies and omissions” in their corrupted FISA warrants. Kennedy knew how serious and outrageous these abuses are unlike Wray apparently and most of the silent and corrupt MSM on this issue because once again it’s their side that grossly abused their powers–not P Trump’s side.

    My pessimist mood returned in full force when Director Wray emphasized first what the FBI allegedly did legally in the FISA process (to spy on the Trump campaign) and then to disgracefully and calmly downplay or ignore the severity of the actual abuses. Like some of Horowtiz’s language Wray used typically dodgy bureaucratese to fool the gullible and provide favorable talking points for the MSM. ie “I am ordering over 40 corrective actions to address all of those “things” in a way that’s robust and serious…We’re determined to learn the lessons from this report.” (Note-emphasis on “learn lessons” not punish or fire the abusers.) This is a despicable attitude given how his agency mistreated Flynn, Papadopolous, Page etc)

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  44. Jim in TN says:

    Remember that Sherlock Holmes story where the clue was the dog that didn’t bark.

    Why isn’t the media dog barking to get at these truths?

    If they were the least bit damning of Trump, you know they would be as insistent for release of these documents as they are of his tax and business records. But knowing that release would be helpful to Trump, they don’t want to hear, see or speak a thing about them.

    Heck, everything that could possibly hurt Trump has already been leaked and gleefully trumpeted across the media. And everything that can help Trump or hurt his attackers has been buried where the sun don’t shine.

    The truth will set us free, release the documents now!

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  45. TheShazDroid says:

    Release it all!

    On Thursday , the day after the Democrats vote for Impeachment.

    Sit back and enjoy.

    The UK vote gave me hope that our left is making all the same wrong moves that will lead to their electoral demise.

    Or as they used to say “Give them enough rope to hang themselves”

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  46. LouisianaTeaRose says:

    Adjacent issue, in the general realm:

    Dersh on Hannitizer sez by merit of the fact that SC is taking up case, the “Obstruction” impeachment charge is dead in the water R/T pending subpoena ruling/Judicial branch resolving tensions between Legislative and Executive branches….

    If true, maybe by design???? Would Lawfare allow a poison pill into this crap that would sabotage this shitburger, or are just hoping the spaghetti sticks to the wall?

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  47. Summer says:

    It’s not like President Trump can just copy-paste FISA and attach it to his tweet. This process is lengthy and it involves an army of mostly hostile bureaucrats speaking legalese.
    Still, it is in his power. If PDJT wants something declassified, he can make it happen. We already know the sources and have a pretty good understanding of the methods, all 17 of them.

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  48. doohmax says:

    President Trump needs to release these documents. Does he not see the simmering anger out here in the country over the illegal, unfair practices of the Democrats and the Deep State bureaucracy? We’ve turned the other cheek about all we can. We demand justice.

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  49. albertus magnus says:

    If the declassification hasnt happened and doesnt happen, no one should be blamed except for PDJT.

    It is NOT going to be released because PDJT doesnt want it to be.

    THAT is the plan…trust it, dont trust it, whatever. It doesnt matter.

    NO ONE is going to jail. NO ONE.


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