Joe diGenova Discusses Declassification and Origin of Obama Political Surveillance Operation…

Former U.S. Attorney to the District of Columbia, Joe diGenova, discusses the declassification of intelligence documents relating to political surveillance; and the origin of the database abuses outlined by FISC Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer…


With President Trump returning from Japan tomorrow (5/28); and with the upcoming state visit to the U.K. coming June 3rd; a declassification “window of opportunity” opens between this Wednesday 5/29 and Saturday 6/2.

Given last weeks visit to Main Justice by congressman Mark Meadows; and considering the visit was specifically to review unredacted Page-Strzok-McCabe messages; it could be surmised the first series of declassified documents might be those communiques. Additionally, John Solomon has stated “Bucket Five” is likely the first release prior to the IG report:

Bucket FiveIntelligence documents that were presented to the Gang of Eight in 2016 that pertain to the FISA application used against U.S. person Carter Page; including all exculpatory intelligence documents that may not have been presented to the FISA Court.  Presumably this would include the recently revealed State Dept Kavalac email; and the FBI transcripts from wiretaps of George Papadopoulos (also listed in Carter Page FISA).

Now that we have significant research files on the 2015 and 2016 political surveillance program; which includes the trail evident within the Weissmann/Mueller report; in combination with the Obama-era DOJ “secret research project” (their words, not mine); we are able to overlay the entire objective and gain a full understanding of how political surveillance was conducted over a period of approximately four to six years.

This is likely why there is institutional panic.

Working with a timeline, but also referencing origination material in 2015/2016 – CTH has tried to show how the program operated. The exploitation of government collected information explains an evolution from the IRS Files in 2010 to the FISA Files in 2016.

More importantly, research indicates the modern political exploitation of the NSA database, for weaponized intelligence surveillance of politicians, began mid 2012.

The FISA-702 database extraction process, and utilization of the protections within the smaller intelligence community, was the primary process. We start by reviewing the established record from the 99-page FISC opinion rendered by Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer on April 26th, 2017; and explain the details within the FISC opinion.

I would strongly urge everyone to read the FISC report (full pdf below) because Judge Collyer outlines how the DOJ, which includes the FBI, had an “institutional lack of candor” in responses to the FISA court. In essence, the Obama administration was continually lying to the court about their activity, and the rate of fourth amendment violations for illegal searches and seizures of U.S. persons’ private information for multiple years.

Unfortunately, due to intelligence terminology Judge Collyer’s brief and ruling is not an easy read for anyone unfamiliar with the FISA processes outlined. The complexity also helps the media avoid discussing, and as a result most Americans have no idea the scale and scope of the issues. So we’ll try to break down the language.


For the sake of brevity and common understanding CTH will highlight the most pertinent segments showing just how systemic and troublesome the unlawful electronic surveillance was.

Early in 2016 NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers was alerted to a significant uptick in FISA-702(17) “About” queries; these are searches using the FBI/NSA database that holds all metadata records on every form of electronic communication.

The NSA compliance officer alerted NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers who then initiated a full compliance audit on/around March 9th, 2016, for the period of November 1st, 2015, through May 1st, 2016.

While the audit was ongoing, due to the severity of the results that were identified, Admiral Mike Rogers stopped anyone from using the 702(17) “about query” option, and went to the extraordinary step of blocking all FBI contractor access to the database on April 18, 2016 (keep these dates in mind).

Here are some significant segments:

The key takeaway from these first paragraphs is how the search query results were exported from the NSA database to users who were not authorized to see the material. The FBI contractors were conducting searches and then removing, or ‘exporting’, the results. Later on, the FBI said all of the exported material was deleted.

Searching the highly classified NSA database is essentially a function of filling out search boxes to identify the user-initiated search parameter and get a return on the search result.

FISA-702(16) is a search of the system returning a U.S. person (“702”); and the “16” is a check box to initiate a search based on “To and From“. Example, if you put in a date and a phone number and check “16” as the search parameter the user will get the returns on everything “To and From” that identified phone number for the specific date. Calls, texts, contacts etc. Including results for the inbound and outbound contacts.

FISA-702(17) is a search of the system returning a U.S. person (702); and the “17” is a check box to initiate a search based on everything “About” the search qualifier. Example, if you put a date and a phone number and check “17” as the search parameter the user will get the returns of everything about that phone. Calls, texts, contacts, geolocation (or gps results), account information, user, service provider etc. As a result, 702(17) can actually be used to locate where the phone (and user) was located on a specific date or sequentially over a specific period of time which is simply a matter of changing the date parameters.

And that’s just from a phone number.

Search an ip address “about” and read all data into that server; put in an email address and gain everything about that account. Or use the electronic address of a GPS enabled vehicle (about) and you can withdraw more electronic data and monitor in real time. Search a credit card number and get everything about the account including what was purchased, where, when, etc. Search a bank account number, get everything about transactions and electronic records etc. Just about anything and everything can be electronically searched; everything has an electronic ‘identifier’.

The search parameter is only limited by the originating field filled out. Names, places, numbers, addresses, etc. By using the “About” parameter there may be thousands or millions of returns. Imagine if you put “@realdonaldtrump” into the search parameter? You could extract all following accounts who interacted on Twitter, or Facebook etc. You are only limited by your imagination and the scale of the electronic connectivity.

As you can see below, on March 9th, 2016, internal auditors noted the FBI was sharing “raw FISA information, including but not limited to Section 702-acquired information”.

In plain English the raw search returns were being shared with unknown entities without any attempt to “minimize” or redact the results. The person(s) attached to the results were named and obvious. There was no effort to hide their identity or protect their 4th amendment rights of privacy:

But what’s the scale here? This is where the story really lies.

Read this next excerpt carefully.

The operators were searching “U.S Persons”. The review of November 1, 2015, to May 1, 2016, showed “eighty-five percent of those queries” were unlawful or “non compliant”.

85% !! “representing [redacted number]”.

We can tell from the space of the redaction the number of searches were between 1,000 and 9,999 [five digits]. If we take the middle number of 5,000 – that means 4,250 unlawful searches out of 5,000.

The [five digit] amount (more than 1,000, less than 10,000), and 85% error rate, was captured in a six month period.

Also notice this very important quote: “many of these non-compliant queries involved the use of the same identifiers over different date ranges.” So they were searching the same phone number, email address, electronic “identifier”, or people, repeatedly over different dates. Specific people were being tracked/monitored.

Additionally, notice the last quote: “while the government reports it is unable to provide a reliable estimate of” these non lawful searches “since 2012, there is no apparent reason to believe the November 2015 [to] April 2016 coincided with an unusually high error rate”.

That means the 85% unlawful FISA-702(16)(17) database abuse has likely been happening since 2012. (Again, remember that date, 2012) Who was FBI Director? Who was his chief-of-staff? Who was CIA Director? ODNI? etc. Remember, the NSA is inside the Pentagon (Defense Dept) command structure. Who was Defense Secretary? And finally, who wrote and signed-off-on the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment?

Tens of thousands of searches over four years (since 2012), and 85% of them are illegal. The results were extracted for?…. (I believe this is all political opposition use; and I’ll explain why momentarily.)

OK, that’s the stunning scale; but who was involved?

Private contractors with access to “raw FISA information that went well beyond what was necessary to respond to FBI’s requests“:

And as noted, the contractor access was finally halted on April 18th, 2016.

[Coincidentally (or not), the wife of Fusion-GPS founder Glenn Simpson, Mary Jacoby, goes to the White House the next day on April 19th, 2016.]

None of this is conspiracy theory.

All of this is laid out inside this 99-page opinion from FISC Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer who also noted that none of this FISA abuse was accidental in a footnote on page 87: “deliberate decisionmaking“:

This specific footnote, if declassified, would be key. Note the phrase: “([redacted] access to FBI systems was the subject of an interagency memorandum of understanding entered into [redacted])”, this sentence has the potential to expose an internal decision; withheld from congress and the FISA court by the Obama administration; that outlines a process for access and distribution of surveillance data.

Note: “no notice of this practice was given to the FISC until 2016“, that is important.

Now, consider this footnote, and then reference THIS from 2012:

December 17, 2012

The Honorable Eric H. Holder, Jr.

Attorney General of the United States

United States Department of Justice

Washington, DC 20530

Dear General Holder:

Recently, the “Wall Street Journal” (WSJ) reported you granted the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC) new powers to store dossiers on United States citizens, even if said citizens are not suspected of any criminal activity.

With these new powers, the NCTC would have the ability to copy entire government databases holding information on flight records, casino-employee lists, the names of Americans hosting foreign-exchange students, as well as other data.

The WSJ goes on to report the new rules allow the NCTC to keep data about innocent United States citizens for up to five years and to analyze it for suspicious patterns of behavior. Previously, both were prohibited.

If the WSJ report is accurate, these new powers represent a sweeping departure from past practices, which barred the NCTC from storing information about ordinary Americans unless a person was a terror suspect or the information sought was related to an investigation.

If the WSJ report is accurate, it raises numerous concerns and questions. As elected Representatives and members of the House Judiciary Committee, we are concerned such sweeping, fundamental changes would be made to existing policy without public input and Congressional approval. Changes, which fundamentally alter the relationship between the government and the governed, should only be made with input from the people by and through their elected Representatives. (more)

Summary of this aspect: The FISA court identified and quantified tens-of-thousands of search queries of the NSA/FBI database using the FISA-702(16)(17) system. The database was repeatedly used by persons with contractor access; who unlawfully searched and extracted the raw results without redacting the information; and shared it with an unknown number of entities.

The outlined process certainly points toward a political spying, surveillance, and file-building operation; and we are not the only one to think that’s what this system is being used for.

Back in 2017 when House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes was working to reauthorize the FISA legislation, Nunes wrote a letter to ODNI Dan Coats about this specific issue:

SIDEBAR: To solve the issue, well, actually attempt to ensure it never happened again, NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers eventually took away the “About” query option permanently in 2017. NSA Director Rogers said the abuse was so inherent there was no way to stop it except to remove the process completely. [SEE HERE] Additionally, the NSA database operates as a function of the Pentagon, so the Trump administration went one step further. On his last day as NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers -together with ODNI Dan Coats- put U.S. cyber-command, the database steward, fully into the U.S. military as a full combatant command. [SEE HERE]

There is little doubt the FISA-702(16)(17) database system was used by Obama-era officials, from 2012 through April 2016, as a way to spy on their political opposition. Quite simply there is no other intellectually honest explanation for the scale and volume of database abuse that was taking place.

When we reconcile what was taking place and who was involved, then the actions of the exact same principle participants take on a jaw-dropping amount of clarity.

All of the action taken by CIA Director Brennan, FBI Director Comey, ODNI Clapper and Defense Secretary Ashton Carter make sense. Including their effort to get NSA Director Mike Rogers fired.

Everything after March 9th, 2016, was done to cover up the weaponization of the FISA database. [Explained Here] Spygate, Russia-Gate, the Steele Dossier, and even the 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (drawn from the dossier and signed by the above) were needed to create a cover-story and protect themselves from discovery of this four year weaponization, political surveillance and unlawful spying. Even the appointment of Robert Mueller as special counsel makes sense; he was FBI Director when this began.

The beginning decision to use FISA(702) as a domestic surveillance and political spy mechanism appears to have started in/around 2012. Perhaps sometime shortly before the 2012 presidential election and before John Brennan left the White House and moved to CIA. However, there was an earlier version of data assembly that preceded this effort.

Political spying 1.0 was actually the weaponization of the IRS. This is where the term “Secret Research Project” originated as a description from the Obama team. It involved the U.S. Department of Justice under Eric Holder and the FBI under Robert Mueller. It never made sense why Eric Holder requested over 1 million tax records via CD ROM, until overlaying the timeline of the FISA abuse:

The IRS sent the FBI “21 disks constituting a 1.1 million page database of information from 501(c)(4) tax exempt organizations, to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.” The transaction occurred in October 2010 (link)

Why disks? Why send a stack of DISKS to the DOJ and FBI when there’s a pre-existing financial crimes unit within the IRS. All of the evidence within this sketchy operation came directly to the surface in early spring 2012.

The IRS scandal was never really about the IRS, it was always about the DOJ asking the IRS for the database of information. That is why it was transparently a conflict when the same DOJ was tasked with investigating the DOJ/IRS scandal. Additionally, Obama sent his chief-of-staff Jack Lew to become Treasury Secretary; effectively placing an ally to oversee/cover-up any issues. As Treasury Secretary Lew did just that.

Lesson Learned – It would appear the Obama administration learned a lesson from attempting to gather a large opposition research database operation inside a functioning organization large enough to have some good people that might blow the whistle.

The timeline reflects a few months after realizing the “Secret Research Project” was now worthless (June 2012), they focused more deliberately on a smaller network within the intelligence apparatus and began weaponizing the FBI/NSA database. If our hunch is correct, that is what will be visible in footnote #69:

Additionally, Matt Gaetz appears to have seen “a memo held in the Congressional Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF) that contained previously-undisclosed information involving the Federal Bureau of Intelligence (FBI) and Department of Justice (DOJ).” [LINK]  Which sounds like the MOU in the footnote, and the memo that Trey Gowdy and Jason Chaffetz inquired about.

How this all comes together in 2019

Fusion GPS was not hired in April 2016 to research Donald Trump. As shown in the evidence provided by the FISC, the intelligence community was already doing surveillance and spy operations. The Obama administration already knew everything about the Trump campaign, and were monitoring everything by exploiting the FISA database.

However, after the NSA alerts in/around March 9th, 2016, and particularly after the April 18th shutdown of contractor access, the Obama intelligence community needed Fusion GPS to create a legal albeit ex post facto justification for the pre-existing surveillance and spy operations. Fusion GPS gave them that justification in the Steele Dossier.

That’s why the FBI small group, which later transitioned into the Mueller team, are so strongly committed to and defending the formation of the Steele Dossier and its dubious content. The Steele Dossier contains the cover-story and justification for the pre-existing surveillance operation.

During a rather innocuous podcast discussion panel April 12th, 2019, one of President Trump’s personal lawyers Jay Sekulow mentioned the FBI had three FISA applications denied by the FISA court in 2016. [Podcast Here – Note comment at 25:05] The denials were always suspected; however, until now no-one in/around the administration has ever confirmed.

If Sekulow is accurate, this adds additional context to the actions of the FBI in the aftermath of Admiral Mike Rogers and an increased urgency in gaining legal justification for surveillance and spy operation unlawfully taking place. A valid FISA warrant would help the FBI cover-up the surveillance. The likely targets were Manafort, Flynn and Papadopoulos…. but it appears the DOJ/FBI were rebuked.

These FISC denials would then initiate institutional panic dependent on the election outcome. An insurance policy would be needed. The Steele Dossier becomes the investigative virus the FBI wanted inside the system. To get the virus into official status, they used the FISA application as the delivery method and injected it into Carter Page. The FBI already knew Carter Page; essentially Carter Page was irrelevant, what they needed was the FISA warrant and the Dossier in the system {Go Deep}.

Fusion GPS was not hired to research Trump, the intelligence community was already doing surveillance and spy operations. The intelligence community needed Fusion GPS to give them a plausible justification for already existing surveillance and spy operations.

Fusion-GPS gave them the justification they needed for a FISA warrant with the Steele Dossier. Ultimately that’s why the Steele Dossier is so important; without it, the DOJ and FBI are naked with their FISA-702 abuse as outlined by John Ratcliffe.


No-one really knows the extent of the current documents and/or information that may be subject to the AG Bill Barr declassification. However, this is the original list as outlined in September 2018, and the agencies who would be involved in the declassification process:

  1. All versions of the Carter Page FISA applications (DOJ) (DoS) (FBI) (ODNI).
  2. All of the Bruce Ohr 302’s filled out by the FBI. (FBI) (ODNI)
  3. All of Bruce Ohr’s emails (FBI) (DOJ) (CIA) (ODNI), and supportive documents and material provided by Bruce Ohr to the FBI. (FBI)
  4. All relevant documents pertaining to the supportive material within the FISA application. (FBI) (DOJ-NSD ) (DoS) (CIA) (DNI) (NSA) (ODNI);
  5. All intelligence documents that were presented to the Gang of Eight in 2016 that pertain to the FISA application used against U.S. person Carter Page; including all exculpatory intelligence documents that may not have been presented to the FISA Court. (CIA) (FBI) (DOJ) (ODNI) (DoS) (NSA)
  6. All unredacted text messages and email content between Lisa Page and Peter Strzok on all devices. (FBI) (DOJ) (DOJ-NSD) (ODNI)
  7. The originating CIA “EC” or two-page electronic communication from former CIA Director John Brennan to FBI Director James Comey that started Operation Crossfire Hurricane in July 2016. (CIA) (FBI) (ODNI)

♦ President Trump can prove the July 31st, 2016, Crossfire Hurricane counterintelligence operation originated from a scheme within the intelligence apparatus by exposing the preceding CIA operation that created the originating “Electronic Communication” memo. Declassify that two-page “EC” document that Brennan gave to Comey. [The trail is found within the Weissmann report and the use of Alexander Downer – SEE HERE]

♦ Release and declassify all of the Comey memos that document the investigative steps taken by the FBI as an outcome of the operation coordinated by CIA Director John Brennan in early 2016. [The trail was memorialized by James Comey – SEE HERE]

♦ Reveal the November 2015 through April 2016 FISA-702 search query abuse by declassifying the April 2017 court opinion written by FISC Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer. Show the FBI contractors behind the 85% fraudulent search queries. [Crowdstrike? Fusion-GPS? Nellie Ohr? Daniel Richman?] This was a weaponized surveillance and domestic political spying operation. [The trail was laid down in specific detail by Judge Collyer – SEE HERE]

♦ Subpoena former DOJ-NSD (National Security Division) head John Carlin, or haul him in front of a grand jury, and get his testimony about why he hid the abuse from the FISA court in October 2016; why the DOJ-NSD rushed the Carter Page application to beat NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers to the FISA court; and why Carlin quit immediately thereafter.

♦ Prove the Carter Page FISA application (October 2016) was fraudulent and based on deceptions to the FISA Court. Declassify the entire document, and release the transcripts of those who signed the application(s); and/or depose those who have not yet testified. The creation of the Steele Dossier was the cover-up operation. [SEE HERE]

♦ Release all of the Lisa Page and Peter Strzok text messages without redactions. Let sunlight pour in on the actual conversation(s) that were taking place when Crossfire Hurricane (July ’16) and the FISA Application (Oct ’16) were taking place. The current redactions were made by the people who weaponized the intelligence system for political surveillance and spy operation. This is why Page and Strzok texts are redacted!

♦ Release all of Bruce Ohr 302’s, FBI notes from interviews and debriefing sessions, and other relevant documents associated with the interviews of Bruce Ohr and his internal communications. Including exculpatory evidence that Bruce Ohr may have shared with FBI Agent Joseph Pientka. [And get a deposition from this Pientka fella] Bruce Ohr is the courier, carrying information from those outside to those on the inside.

♦ Release the August 2nd, 2017, two-page scope memo provided by DAG Rod Rosenstein to special counsel Robert Mueller to advance the fraudulent Trump investigation, and initiate the more purposeful obstruction of justice investigation. Also Release the October 20th, 2017, second scope memo recently discovered. The Scope Memos are keys to unlocking the underlying spy/surveillance cover-up. [SEE HERE and SEE HERE]

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546 Responses to Joe diGenova Discusses Declassification and Origin of Obama Political Surveillance Operation…

  1. askandgettruth says:

    i just can’t stop smelling a nasty stench called HOLDER. why is this corrupt traitor still free as a bird. i pray for the day him and obama have the whole library of congress thrown at them. WRAY needs a ride on the justice train also.

    Liked by 13 people

    • Zippy says:

      Like I’ve said here before, JOB #1 at the highest levels is to protect the big 3-letter agencies. IF and when it is revealed what was done AT LEAST as far back as 2012, talk about your openings for “fruit from the poisonous tree” legal challenges to any prosecutions they’ve made since at least then.


      • Interesting, that I come at the thing from the other way around, in what I will do — not do — because of this Insane Left war on America (I invented the term, “The War of the Insane Left”, when I invented the term “The Insane Left”, after observing the Obama lies leading up to the passing of Obamacare, by unanimous Democrat vote). Not how it will affect others; but how I will react: I will not obey any law passed by the Insane Left, and I advise everyone to do the same. Mass civil disobedience, on the national scale. To get the attention of the GOP as well, not just the insane (and criminal) Democrats.

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        • GenEarly says:

          It is now obvious that the Feral Gov is in a CW with itself. If it spills out into the public arena, via multiple false flag domestic incidents ……..
          Which is not far fetched when dealing with the shadow deep state enemy. CYA is having your own plan B.
          Think just outside the box. This is deadly serious, it is not a parlor game.


    • William H Gilkerson says:

      He is yapping as IF he is involvled. He’s one of the class of Ozero grifters bent on tranforming our country. The Ozero spying goes back to 2012, The thread is being pulled. It’s why all the functional swamp appendages are throwing all manner of fecal matter against the wall in hopes something sticks.


  2. LandofLiberty says:

    All these things need to become louder and louder like THUNDER. Keep pressing the battle.
    Many may not like Hannity but with John Solomon and Sara Carter Hannity has been on the money and THEY say we are going to be SHOCKED from what we learn as more of this comes out.

    Liked by 8 people

    • Sammy Hains says:

      The thing that keeps bugging me about Hannity, Sara Carter, and John Solomon is that they keep saying we’re going to be shocked when someone else reports the news on these government abuses instead of reporting the news on these government abuses.

      They are journalists. If they have the scoops, why are they withholding?

      Liked by 1 person

      • icehole6 says:

        I listen to Hannity radio and just about every day Solomon has a scoop…daily.

        Liked by 1 person

        • Sammy Hains says:

          Sure, we get little bits, but they, and particularly Sean, talk like they know a lot more than they’re revealing but aren’t saying it yet. It just seems to me that isn’t what journalism is about. Deliberately controlling the flow of information is called something else.

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          • steph_gray says:

            Perhaps in our current dumbed-down age, with plenty of viewers who have the attention span of a gnat, and are conditioned to continual shocks by things like Game of Thrones (I enjoyed the show but I could see it for what it was), a bit of daily sensationalism and cliffhangerism is merely what is required to break through.

            I’m not condoning not being serious – I just care only about our winning the culture wars. VSGPDJT swims confidently in this ocean. The more everyone emulates him, the more we win…


            • Sammy Hains says:

              Right. The way a story takes hold is through repetition, the slow drip, the drumbeat…

              The corporate media creates this at will to steer the public in whatever direction they want.

              When the story is against the interests of the corporate media, as is the case with the origins of 0bama’s Russian hoax, then it is an uphill battle to get traction. The corporate media will ignore or downplay the story as much as possible, making it a one day story, or a no day story.

              The Wikileaks dump of the Podesta emails was a workshop on how to defeat the corporate media despite their best efforts. Think about it. They had all the emails from the start. There was no natural ‘development’ to the story. But they manufactured a drumbeat that overwhelmed the media blackout.

              The same thing is happening here. We KNOW exactly what happened. We’ve known for 2 years. It already happened, in the past tense. The only ‘development’ of this story is what the various players are doing with the facts. But it cannot be allowed to be buried by the corporate media. She the story needs to be told to the public in little pieces, to gain traction against the enemy corporate propagandists who control information.

              So yes, I understand why it is being done the way it is by the truth-based media. I just don’t like this teasing it out for over a year of “if you knew what we know you’d be shocked.”


      • LandofLiberty says:

        The ones from whom John Solomon, Sara Carter and Sean Hannity get their info are the ones who control the timing of the releases. John and Sara have been nothing short of amazing. Sean has turned so many listeners off because he talks over his guest and yet he lets some such as Newt go on and on. John Solomon and Sara Carter are far far far more important than Newt. Still yet, I give him credit for his support, strong support and I don’t think one person can say that what Sean has revealed for the last 2 or 3 years on this corruption has been wrong. It’s the one TV broadcast where we at least get to hear Joe, John and Sara. Sean needs to learn to let his guest tell their info and stop cutting them off but anytime I see the 3 above mentioned are going to be on I try not to ever miss the show. I’ll also put a plug in here for Laura and Tucker.

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        • walda says:

          I totally agree with you Land Of Liberty about Sean. He has to be the “world’s worst interviewer”! There are so many times I am so anticipating hearing the answer from his guests when he proceeds to cut them off before they can finish what they are saying and sometimes before they can even start, while he’s cutting in with what HE knows or thinks. So what’s the use of having guests? And I’ve referred to him for years as the “redundant Sean Hannity”. And therefore, I for one could TOTALLY do WITHOUT his monologues where repeats the same thing night after night after night. I usually do tune into the show until at least 15 minutes late so I can avoid it and hopefully see and hear the guests!

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          • FretNot says:

            He repeats it so the information becomes learned by the viewers’ subconcious. At this point you know what’s going on, so you don’t need the repetition anymore. Instead, you are listening because you are interested. He needs to repeat and repeat and repeat, and make sure the exact line is given, which is why he cuts people off, so that more and more people no longer need the repetition, but instead they listen because they want to hear what is being said. He knows what he’s doing.


            • Sammy Hains says:

              But Hannity has gotten to the point now where he speaks in sentence fragments, often rambling off a well rehearsed list of partially articulated points before moving to the next partially articulated point. Anyone who doesn’t already know the script by heart is going to be lost and confused by Hannity’s style. He’s not winning any converts that way. He’s merely preaching to the choir.

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          • George Hicks says:

            Actually, Hannity has stated numerous times that he knows he has a bad habit interrupting the interviewee.


        • mariner says:


          Hannity, Solomon and Carter are all being told when it’s OK to say certain things; they may not be told things it’s not yet OK to report.

          I don’t believe they’re holding out on us.

          I also am also sometimes put out by Hannity’s style, but as FretNot notes below he may know more about what he’s doing than we give him credit for. In a way we’re not his target audience–he needs to reach those who are not as knowledgeable and up-to-date as most of us (and there are a whole lot more of them).

          Liked by 1 person

          • Sammy Hains says:

            But as journalists, they’re not supposed to be in the business of serving someone else’s political interests or playing a part in their orchestrated campaign rollout. Even if that is what most modern journalists do.

            I realize there may be reasons which theoretically benefit our side behind this campaign of meting out information in piecemeal at a steady drumbeat over a prolonged period of time.

            But I still think it stinks.

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      • sturmudgeon says:

        Sammy: isn’t it likely that they have to ‘hold back a bit’ so that they don’t screw up the future ‘trials’ (hopefully) and resultant sentences of these SCUM ?


        • Sammy Hains says:

          How would the facts about crimes already committed becoming public screw up a future trial for those crimes?
          If that was the case, then every criminal would just broadcast their crimes, and then they’d be immune to prosecution. The more notorious the crime, the more immune the criminal.

          I’m pretty sure it doesn’t work that way.


    • Mr. T. says:

      I am shocked already. I am just waiting for the majority of the citizenry to become shocked. But the left wing media is covering it all up. When will they be forced to start reporting the truth, or even the facts?

      Liked by 1 person

      • NC Patriot says:

        When this stuff comes out–some indictments will come–media will have to start covering. Plus—–POTUS will go to hes “bully pulpit”. ( And we, of course will continue our word of mouth,)


      • Finbar O'Shaunnessey says:

        They will never report the truth. The facts will be altered to suit their agenda. They will continue to attack the “good guys” with false flag reporting at the behest of the deep state. Have a nice day.


  3. FishtheDish says:

    This operation is so long in duration and big that it scares the heck out of me. Holy shit! The deep state is big and deep. This will not go down without an all out war. I am concerned that Trump, Barr, a handful of congressmen just isn’t enough manpower.
    And what about the FISA judges – I do not see them holding individuals in contempt of court – they went along with it.

    I do not think that Obama created this situation….I think that the deep state used him to enable it.

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    • MelH says:

      FishtheDish, I’m really curious why you would chose the Deep State as puppeteers. Obama is as corrupt as the day is long, and certainly considered himself the King of the World. I guess I’m more curious about the names in the Deep State, before i give them credit for any smooth move.

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      • FishtheDish says:

        I understand your point. It is the complexity level of all the machinations that make me think that it took experienced experts to work this. Obama did not have the time or working knowledge to dream this up. Now – – I do think that he is corrupt – don’t get me wrong. I agree that we need to get to the names – an operation like this (almost successful) does not happen by itself – there is planning, execution, statusing, corrective action, follow-thru. There needs to be an organization running it.

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        • NC Patriot says:

          Obama didn’t have the smarts either. Soros, VJ et al were the puppeteers.


        • Jeff says:

          It wasn’t Obama creating the operation. He has nowhere near the intelligence to do this. He just opened the gates to a bunch of like minded travelers to figure it out. Fish rots from the head down. And that rot not only presented itself in the 1st and 2nd level from Obama, it spread like a virus through the whole bureaucracy. The cult of personality ran so deep, people seemed to lose all restraint to do more for their hero. Saw too many examples of people just losing their $h!t when talking about Obama. And so many examples that showed people just taking their own initiative to persecute Obama’s enemies.

          This will shake this country to its foundation. But IF and only IF it sees the full light of day and survives the whitewash of the media, the deep state and the apologists that will circle the wagons with everything they’ve got.

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    • Mr. T. says:

      I don’t think any of these people have the power to conduct cross agency operations like this. It had to be controlled by the one person who has that power. Barack Obama. Obviously Obama would use his henchmen to firewall him from any accountability. Rice, Power, Jarrett, Rhodes, Holder,even Biden. But Obama is the only one that could properly organize people from the FBI, DOJ, ODNI, State Department, IRS, and White House.

      There were several willing participants but it seems odd that someone like Brennan, for instance, would even attempt to organize such illegal behavior on a large scale, with other agencies that he doesn’t control. He and the others had to have received orders from the top so they would feel protected.


      • FishtheDish says:

        That is the aspect of this that is most curious to me. This took an a organization, a cross agency team, with working knowledge of all the machinations.

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    • walda says:

      Yes Dishthefish. You are right! Just heard Joe De Geniva on the radio saying that Bill Barr is now in an all out war with the Deep State department heads like Chris Wrey and Gena Haspell (CIA Head). And it was THEIR stonewalling and unwillingness to cooperate that made him have go to President Trump and ask for the declassifying powers. And now it’s going to be like World War III over there at the Justice Department between Barr and these departments and their heads.

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      • Jenevive says:

        Then why doesn;t POTUS call Wray and HApsel
        to his office and tell them give Barr what by such a such
        a time or have your resignation letter desk by 5 p.m.


    • Finbar O'Shaunnessey says:

      The DS would certainly find a treasonous dunce to be more malleable to their agenda than the current occupant of the WH.


    • Jeremiah says:

      Either way, Obama is in the swamp up to eyeballs and deserves some hard time at Leavenworth!


    • FretNot says:

      They didn’t go along with it. They were blackmailed. Why have the information, if you’re not going to use it. First, you take care of anyone who can enforce the law. You use those contractors to search for muck until it’s found. Then, you use it to put pressure on them to maybe look the other way, or not ask too many questions, or really think about whether it is a penalty or a tax. And then, we trust you to make the right decision Madame Congresswoman, lest your husband find out about…

      Nobody went along with this, except under duress and coercion. Pressure, at the highest levels, exploiting vulnerability to achieve the desired end. The end truly justified the means.

      This should scare everyone to their core. We will be lucky to survive without being attacked by our enemies, because we are about to be at our weakest point as a nation since the Civil War.

      I believe the “calm before the storm” picture with the generals and admirals was Trump’s way of telegraphing to our enemies that he is firmly in control of the military, from the top down. It also shows that he has told them what is coming, so they are prepared, and not caught unawares. Trump knows what he’s doing, and will be successful, but people, this is going to get real ugly, and no one can know what will truly happen.

      This is the definition of unchartered territory.


    • mariner says:

      The a Deep State killed JFK–in 1963–it was in charge before that.

      Eisenhower wasn’t warning us about the Military/Industrial Complex; he was telling us it was already in charge. We didn’t understand that.


  4. TwoLaine says:

    I would like this added to the AG Barr #DrainTheSwamp list:

    Stunning Judicial Ruling From Judge Andrew Hanen – Requires “All DOJ Attorneys” Attend Ethics Classes – Gives U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch 60 Days To Present Correction Plan…
    19 May 2016
    by sundance

    ALL Gubt lawyers and employees should immediately be required to take an ethics test. If they do not pass, they do not pass go. Turn in your badge at the door on your way out.

    Questions should be randomized and this should be taken online w/ZERO Notice. No homework or cheating allowed, just like a piss test. Maybe we should even add a piss test too. And there will be NO adversity b.s. or disparate impact claptrap or trophies for everyone.

    Make sure everyone’s creds and connections are up to date as well. I also want to know who all in The SWAMP has ham radio licenses. This should be checked periodically these days, the same as social media, etc.

    IF you want to work for US you need to #BeBest! That is a moral decision, Every Day.

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  5. MelH says:

    Sundance, is it okay that your montages of Perps are used by others? Joe Hoft used one in the Gateway Pundit:
    I’ve seen others used by other MSM, without CTH credits. Seems like you should have some of the cash strewn about to authors using your work.

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    • dawg says:

      Im praying that every single other journalist and news outlet would start using sundance’s montages. And all his other work too. Sorry sundance, just sayin’.


      • MelH says:

        dawg, this is the REAL world. People get paid , in dollars, for their talents. Why not Sundance?The journalists who copy him get paid PLENTY! I don’t see them sharing with him!


        • dawg says:

          Yeah I got it. I have no problem with that. Im just saying my hope is that Sundance’s work gets spread and used far and wide. I dont think sundance is sweating it. I dont think hes in this for the money.

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          • sturmudgeon says:

            dawg: I agree! I would tend to think that Sundance appreciates any financial support, but from the years’ education at his site, he is doing all this fantastic work BECAUSE HE IS A TRUE PATRIOT.

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          • MelH says:

            What informs your thinking. Dawg? I live on Social Security and Soup Kitchens but contribute to Sundance monthly because he earns whatever he gets X1,000! I got a whole lot less education for my money at a prestige University.


  6. Ono says:

    As the late great Ckik Hearn (voice of the LA Lakers) used to say…
    The mustard has come off the hot dog…IOW…deep state has a mess on its hands.

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  7. Sammy Hains says:

    Minor epiphany:

    THE reason Herr Müeller was Chosen for special counsel was because the conspirators knew eventually the trail would lead back to him. The coverup is not so much about the recent attempted coup, but about the DEPTH of the spying operation. The coup attempt itself was really about covering up what they had been doing for years.

    Now for the epiphany. They knew it would eventually reach back to Müeller. They brought him in so that when it inevitably did, they could wrap him in the defense that it is just “payback” from Trump and illegitimate.

    Creating controversy and hiding behind the political noise that ensues is their last resort. But keep in mind, it has usually worked for them.

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    • Zippy says:

      “The coup attempt itself was really about covering up what they had been doing for years.”

      And what SHOULD come from any REAL investigation is HOW MANY years they have been doing it. I’d bet long before 2012 and not necessarily just during Dim regimes. The trillion dollar plus “turnkey police state” infrastructure set up after 9/11 made it much easier, but there were “conspiracy theories” like ECHELON now proven to be true that were in place long before that.

      On that REAL investigation thing, I think it will be resisted just like a serious 9/11 investigation was resisted, probably successfully this time since their won’t be the huge public pressure for it like there was for the 9/11 investigation. Governments REALLY don’t like public revelations of their screw-ups and illegal behavior.

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      • NC Patriot says:

        Don’t forget——the deep state is ALSO about globalism and selling out the country under our noses. That has been going on since GHWB, It is an affront to ALL of them to have an “outsider” come in and rock the boat.

        So there was a specific crime set directed at clearing Hil and getting her elected and thwarting VSG. The bigger, deeper plot is maintaining globalism. The whole uniparty in in on this.

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        • Zippy says:

          I can’t believe I forgot that angle which makes it even more likely that this has been going on for a VERY LONG TIME which is another reason for any REAL investigation to be resisted.

          Interesting isn’t it that the the leader in the polls in a GHWB election year, the HIGHLY anti-globalist, NAFTA-hating Ross Perot, mysteriously dropped out for while, something which doomed him in the election:

          Ross Perot 1992 presidential campaign

          Perot largely financed his own campaign and relied on marketing and wide grassroots support. In certain polls, Perot led the three-way race with Republican nominee George H. W. Bush, the incumbent President, and then-Governor Bill Clinton of Arkansas, the Democratic nominee.

          He won several counties, finished in second place in two states, and finished in third place overall, receiving close to 18.97 percent of the popular vote, the most won by a third-party presidential candidate since Theodore Roosevelt in 1912.


          In addition to the accusations about his daughter, Mr. Perot said in an interview with The Boston Herald that he had a videotape of a senior member of the Bush campaign, whom he did not identify, talking to a contract employee of the Central Intelligence Agency in Dallas. He did not say how he got the tape or if he knew what they were discussing. Mr. Perot accused the unidentified C.I.A. employee of being hired to tap into his computerized stock trading program to prevent him from having the money to revive his campaign.

          Marlin Fitzwater, the White House spokesman, told reporters in Billings, Mont.: “It’s all nonsense. There’s nothing to it. I don’t want to attack Perot, but I don’t know where he’s getting it from. I mean, fantastic stories about his daughter and disrupting her wedding and the C.I.A. — it’s all loony.”

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  8. doohmax says:

    Whatever happened to the woman, I forget her name, who went on MSNBC and bragged that the Obama Administration worked feverishly in the transition period to “get information out to everyone” before Trump took office. This would have been probably early 2017. That was as clear an admission of leaking and unmasking as you could have for all the world to see. Never heard from her again.


  9. doohmax says:

    Whatever happened to the woman, I forget her name, who went on MSNBC and bragged that the Obama Administration worked feverishly in the transition period to “get information out to everyone” before Trump took office. This would have been probably early 2017. That was as clear an admission of leaking and unmasking as you could have for all the world to see. Never heard from her again.


  10. Joe is now saying the Huber investigation is fake. That’s disappointing since this was once our only hope. Fortunately, there are now others willing to do the right thing. Kinda downgrades Sessions to a new low, n’est-ce pas?


    • Justin Green says:

      It would be nice to finally see someone hired for one of these investigations who isn’t a Democrat.


    • William H Gilkerson says:

      He is yapping as IF he is involvled. He’s one of the class of Ozero grifters bent on tranforming our country. The Ozero spying goes back to 2012, The thread is being pulled. It’s why all the functional swamp appendages are throwing all manner of fecal matter against the wall in hopes something sticks.


    • Bert Darrell says:

      There was a Treeper from Utah (his/her name escapes me now) who posted that Huber was a crooked US attorney and warned us that nothing would come from Huber’s assignment by Nincompoop AG Sessions. Back then, Huber had a reputation for covering for local politicians in trouble. Huber was just another moving squirrel used to divert attention and postpone the uncovering of the ruse.


  11. Earl says:

    Here are some excerpts from that WSJ article in 2012 in the letter from Reps. Chaffetz and Gowdy that Sundance referred to :

    “Top U.S. intelligence officials gathered in the White House Situation Room in March [2012] to debate a controversial proposal. Counterterrorism officials wanted to create a government dragnet, sweeping up millions of records about U.S. citizens—even people suspected of no crime.”

    “The rules now allow the little-known National Counterterrorism Center to examine the government files of U.S. citizens for possible criminal behavior, even if there is no reason to suspect them. That is a departure from past practice, which barred the agency from storing information about ordinary Americans unless a person was a terror suspect or related to an investigation.”

    “Now, NCTC can copy entire government databases—flight records, casino-employee lists, the names of Americans hosting foreign-exchange students and many others. The agency has new authority to keep data about innocent U.S. citizens for up to five years, and to analyze it for suspicious patterns of behavior. Previously, both were prohibited. Data about Americans “reasonably believed to constitute terrorism information” may be permanently retained.”

    “The changes also allow databases of U.S. civilian information to be given to foreign governments for analysis of their own. In effect, U.S. and foreign governments would be using the information to look for clues that people might commit future crimes.”

    “”It’s breathtaking” in its scope, said a former senior administration official familiar with the White House debate.”

    “Under the new rules issued in March, the National Counterterrorism Center, known as NCTC, can obtain almost any database the government collects that it says is “reasonably believed” to contain “terrorism information.”

    “Under the new rules, every federal agency must negotiate terms under which it would hand over databases to NCTC.”

    This is one reason the initiative I described earlier in the thread is so disturbing. Under that initiative, Obama’s DHS tried to redefine “terrorism” to shift the focus away from Muslim militants and towards domestic US “right-wing” political “extremists” concerned with issues such as the Second Amendment, restricting immigration and the pro-life movement.

    Once US citizens concerned with, say illegal immigration, are viewed as “extremists” who might potentially become “terrorists,” then that unlocked the power of the government agencies (and their contractors) to access all of these sweeping government databases for surveillance purposes.

    I think we may find that the “contractors” who were doing the illegal searches of the NSA databases were claiming to be acting under authority to monitor “right-wing extremists.” Were the contractors from the NCTC and utilizing FBI privileges to access the NSA database?

    Involving outside contractors introduces the possibility that the contractors exported the data from the government servers onto their own facilities, enabling them more freedom to use the data for political purposes without accountability. Also, allowing the data to be exported to foreign governments allows bad actors to collude with the foreign intelligence agencies to access the data after they have exported it.

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  12. Kleen says:

    Future Vice President?

    WH Chief of Staff?

    FBI director? ( that would require swamp approval, may never happen)

    Joe needs an influencial role in the Trump administration.

    Sidney Powell as well. She would be my first choice for FBI director. But the swamp would burn down DC if she was ever nominated.

    If the left doesn’t steal the election, Trump’s second term will be epic!

    Spring Cleaning at the agencies. Swamp draining. More SCOTUS justices nominations.

    I think now Trump knows who to trust. Mostly anyway.

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  13. William H Gilkerson says:

    Should have been a big clue to anyone when Huber was a no show at congress and no one could find a soul he had talked to about the investigation. Huber = useless = Jeffy the maryjane marauder.


  14. Tammy Johannessen says:
    • Bryan Alexander says:

      Right at the end of Maxine Waters interview she says “He’s been very smart, it’s very powerful, what he’s leaving in place.” She was talking about the database. The questioner was talking about 2016, when Obama leaves. I think he was talking about Organizing for America.

      Waters was talking about what FUTURE candidates would have to deal with and then was talking about this database. Was she talking about Organizing for America or the “Shadow Government”? Remember the talk right around Trumps inauguration when the media talked about a shadow government for a week or so? Then that talk COMPLETELY disappeared.

      Did she mean, in 2012, that Obama was going to leave “in place” the means to use the Intelligence community, AKA the NSA, database for Democrats to use? Remember Evelyn Farkas and her talking about getting everything they could before the Trump people found out how they were getting the information and they stopped that method?

      I am wondering if the Democrats at senior levels have known all along that Obama and company were using government resources to spy on Americans to seed their political database?


  15. Hopper Creek says:

    I m waiting to C how many Politicians get charged and convicted 4 their involvement in this Treason , along with their media allies…


  16. Zimbalistjunior says:

    The following are the OMG items that may or may not be revealed as a result of all this.

    1) the Iran nuclear deal was able to pass as a result of the blackmailing of spied upon (somewhat) pro Israel congressman. Some of your favorite idiots will be named: six days from Sunday Schumer, I had a flu Feinstein, pencil neck schiff, fat band Nadler.

    2) Obama is and has always been a CIA agent. He was born into a CIA family, groomed to be an agent, was pushed along with the help of the agency, made his bones infiltrating and spying on his Chicago social justice warrior friends, acted as Stefan Halper daniel richmon type Professor recruiter, and then acted for the pro Oil countries branch of agency. That explains how he came from nowhere and how the deep state not only didn’t oppose him but pushed him.

    3) there have been discussions among deep staters about stopping the president that rival the John Wilkes booth conspirators. There will be emails and texts alluding to assassinating family members etc that will shock and disgust everyone but the most hardened TDS sufferers.


  17. Grassleysgirl/Breitbartista says:

    For the numerous “slamHannity” voices out there, May I humbly remind them that Sean was the lone voice out there,exposing Hussein in 2008. This while ‘no name’ was sabotaging his own run for president.
    Prior to this I was apolitical. My beloved sister was losing her 2year battle with Cancer , I was her primary caregiver , since she had come home following dire news from the oncologist. I had a lot of time to research online as I sat at her bedside. Damning and frightening info was everywhere.All one had to do was follow the leads. Of course no one would listen to my concerns and I only had support on a very few blogs. Besides my focus that first week of Nov 08, was preparing to let go of my best friend, my sister as she neared her journey to eternal love in the arms of Jesus.
    We all know the outcome of that election. My sweet sister passed from this place that Thursday following the election. I was lying next to her in her hosp bed. She was holding my hand, tenderly stroking my palm. At the moment she passed, all the pain that had been present in her expression vanished, leaving her with an incredibly youthful and peaceful appearance .
    Thinking back to her beauty in that moment, today, helps alleviate any fears I have about the true evil present in the world and our great country. It shall never stop me from speaking truthfully and boldly against it. My sister had red pulled me.Not sure she knew that.

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  18. Republicanvet91 says:

    “Perhaps sometime shortly before the 2012 presidential election and before John Brennan left the White House and moved to CIA. However, there was an earlier version of data assembly that preceded this effort.”

    Perhaps Brennan started with the IRS, and went to CIA to facilitate extra data gathering.

    “The IRS scandal was never really about the IRS, it was always about the DOJ asking the IRS for the database of information.”

    This explains why Holder has been publicly attacking the decision to declassify. Is he worried the spying would lead back to him and why he asked for that IRS information?


  19. anthonydog says:

    Obama Brennan and Clapper created a police state in America worthy of Stalin, Hitler and Mandela:



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