The Obama Use of FISA-702 as a Domestic Political Surveillance Program….

Now that we have significant research files on the 2015 and 2016 political surveillance program; which includes the trail evident within the Weissmann/Mueller report; in combination with the Obama-era DOJ “secret research project” (their words, not mine); we are able to overlay the entire objective and gain a full understanding of how political surveillance was conducted over a period of approximately four to six years.

Working with a timeline, but also referencing origination material in 2015/2016 – CTH hopes to show how the program operated.  This explains an evolution from The IRS Files in 2010 to the FISA Files in 2016.

The FISA-702 database extraction process, and utilization of the protections within the smaller intelligence community, was the primary process.  We start by reviewing the established record from the 99-page FISC opinion rendered by Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer on April 26th, 2017; and explain the details within the FISC opinion.

I would strongly urge everyone to read the FISC report (full pdf below) because Judge Collyer outlines how the DOJ, which includes the FBI, had an “institutional lack of candor” in responses to the FISA court.  In essence, they were continually lying to the court about their activity, and the rate of fourth amendment violations for illegal searches and seizures of U.S. persons’ private information for multiple years.

Unfortunately, due to intelligence terminology Judge Collyer’s brief and ruling is not an easy read for anyone unfamiliar with the FISA processes outlined. The complexity also helps the media avoid discussing, and as a result most Americans have no idea the scale and scope of the issues.  So we’ll try to break down the language.


For the sake of brevity and common understanding CTH will highlight the most pertinent segments showing just how systemic and troublesome the unlawful electronic surveillance was.

Early in 2016 NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers was alerted of a significant uptick in FISA-702(17) “About” queries using the FBI/NSA database that holds all metadata records on every form of electronic communication.

The NSA compliance officer alerted Admiral Mike Rogers who then initiated a full compliance audit on/around March 9th, 2016, for the period of November 1st, 2015, through May 1st, 2016.

While the audit was ongoing, due to the severity of the results that were identified, Admiral Mike Rogers stopped anyone from using the 702(17) “about query” option, and went to the extraordinary step of blocking all FBI contractor access to the database on April 18, 2016 (keep these dates in mind).

Here are some significant segments:

The key takeaway from these first paragraphs is how the search query results were exported from the NSA database to users who were not authorized to see the material.  The FBI contractors were conducting searches and then removing, or ‘exporting’, the results.  Later on, the FBI said all of the exported material was deleted.

Searching the highly classified NSA database is essentially a function of filling out search boxes to identify the user-initiated search parameter and get a return on the search result.

FISA-702(16) is a search of the system returning a U.S. person (“702”); and the “16” is a check box to initiate a search based on “To and From“.   Example, if you put in a date and a phone number and check “16” as the search parameter the user will get the returns on everything “To and From” that identified phone number for the specific date.  Calls, texts, contacts etc.  Including results for the inbound and outbound contacts.

FISA-702(17) is a search of the system returning a U.S. person (702); and the “17” is a check box to initiate a search based on everything “About” the search qualifier.  Example, if you put a date and a phone number and check “17” as the search parameter the user will get the returns of everything about that phone.  Calls, texts, contacts, geolocation (or gps results), account information, user, service provider etc.  As a result, 702(17) can actually be used to locate where the phone (and user) was located on a specific date or sequentially over a specific period of time which is simply a matter of changing the date parameters.

And that’s just from a phone number.

Search an ip address “about” and read all data into that server; put in an email address and gain everything about that account. Or use the electronic address of a GPS enabled vehicle (about) and you can withdraw more electronic data and monitor in real time.  Search a credit card number and get everything about the account including what was purchased, where, when, etc.  Search a bank account number, get everything about transactions and electronic records etc.  Just about anything and everything can be electronically searched; everything has an electronic ‘identifier’.

The search parameter is only limited by the originating field filled out.  Names, places, numbers, addresses, etc. By using the “About” parameter there may be thousands or millions of returns.  Imagine if you put “@realdonaldtrump” into the search parameter? You could extract all following accounts who interacted on Twitter, or Facebook etc.  You are only limited by your imagination and the scale of the electronic connectivity.

As you can see below, on March 9th, 2016, internal auditors noted the FBI was sharing “raw FISA information, including but not limited to Section 702-acquired information”.

In plain English the raw search returns were being shared with unknown entities without any attempt to “minimize” or redact the results.  The person(s) attached to the results were named and obvious.  There was no effort to hide their identity or protect their 4th amendment rights of privacy:

But what’s the scale here?  This is where the story really lies.

Read this next excerpt carefully.

The operators were searching “U.S Persons”.  The review of November 1, 2015,  to May 1, 2016, showed “eighty-five percent of those queries” were unlawful or “non compliant”.

85% !!  “representing [redacted number]”.

We can tell from the space of the redaction the number of searches were between 1,000 and 9,999 [five digits].  If we take the middle number of 5,000 – that means 4,250 unlawful searches out of 5,000.

The [five digit] amount (more than 1,000, less than 10,000), and 85% error rate, was captured in a six month period.

Also notice this very important quote: “many of these non-compliant queries involved the use of the same identifiers over different date ranges.”   So they were searching the same phone number, email address, electronic “identifier”, or people, repeatedly over different dates.  Specific people were being tracked/monitored.

Additionally, notice the last quote: “while the government reports it is unable to provide a reliable estimate of” these non lawful searches “since 2012, there is no apparent reason to believe the November 2015 [to] April 2016 coincided with an unusually high error rate”.

That means the 85% unlawful FISA-702(16)(17) database abuse has likely been happening since 2012.  (Again, remember that date, 2012) Who was FBI Director? Who was his chief-of-staff? Who was CIA Director? ODNI? etc.  Remember, the NSA is inside the Pentagon (Defense Dept) command structure.  Who was Defense Secretary? And finally, who wrote and signed-off-on the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment?

Tens of thousands of searches over four years (since 2012), and 85% of them are illegal.  The results were extracted for?…. (I believe this is all political opposition use; and I’ll explain why momentarily.)

OK, that’s the stunning scale; but who was involved?

Private contractors with access to “raw FISA information that went well beyond what was necessary to respond to FBI’s requests“:

And as noted, the contractor access was finally halted on April 18th, 2016.

[Coincidentally (or not), the wife of Fusion-GPS founder Glenn Simpson, Mary Jacoby, goes to the White House the next day on April 19th, 2016.]

None of this is conspiracy theory.

All of this is laid out inside this 99-page opinion from FISC Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer who also noted that none of this FISA abuse was accidental in a footnote on page 87:  “deliberate decisionmaking“:

Summary of this aspect: The FISA court identified and quantified tens-of-thousands of search queries of the NSA/FBI database using the FISA-702(16)(17) system.  The database was repeatedly used by persons with contractor access who unlawfully searched and extracted the raw results without redacting the information and shared it with an unknown number of entities.

The outlined process certainly points toward a political spying and surveillance operation; and we are not the only one to think that’s what this system is being used for.

Back in 2017 when House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes was working to reauthorize the FISA legislation, Nunes wrote a letter to ODNI Dan Coats about this specific issue:

SIDEBAR: To solve the issue, well, actually attempt to ensure it never happened again, NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers eventually took away the “About” query option permanently in 2017. NSA Director Rogers said the abuse was so inherent there was no way to stop it except to remove the process completely. [SEE HERE]  Additionally, the NSA database operates as a function of the Pentagon, so the Trump administration went one step further.  On his last day as NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers -together with ODNI Dan Coats- put U.S. cyber-command, the database steward, fully into the U.S. military as a full combatant command. [SEE HERE]

There is little doubt the FISA-702(16)(17) database system was used by Obama-era officials, from 2012 through April 2016, as a way to spy on their political opposition.  Quite simply there is no other intellectually honest explanation for the scale and volume of database abuse that was taking place.

When we reconcile what was taking place and who was involved, then the actions of the exact same principle participants take on a jaw-dropping amount of clarity.

All of the action taken by CIA Director Brennan, FBI Director Comey, ODNI Clapper and Defense Secretary Ashton Carter make sense.  Including their effort to get NSA Director Mike Rogers fired.

Everything after March 9th, 2016, was done to cover up the weaponization of the FISA database. [Explained Here]  Spygate, Russia-Gate, the Steele Dossier, and even the 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (drawn from the dossier and signed by the above) were needed to create a cover-story and protect themselves from discovery of this four year weaponization, political surveillance and unlawful spying.  Even the appointment of Robert Mueller as special counsel makes sense; he was FBI Director when this began.

The beginning decision to use FISA(702) as a domestic surveillance and political spy mechanism appears to have started in/around 2012. Perhaps sometime shortly before the 2012 presidential election and before John Brennan left the White House and moved to CIA.  However, there was an earlier version of data assembly that preceded this effort.

Political spying 1.0 was actually the weaponization of the IRS.  This is where the term “Secret Research Project” originated as a description from the Obama team.  It involved the U.S. Department of Justice under Eric Holder and the FBI under Robert Mueller.  It never made sense why Eric Holder requested over 1 million tax records via CD ROM, until overlaying the timeline of the FISA abuse:

The IRS sent the FBI “21 disks constituting a 1.1 million page database of information from 501(c)(4) tax exempt organizations, to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.” The transaction occurred in October 2010 (link)

Why disks?  Why send a stack of DISKS to the DOJ and FBI when there’s a pre-existing financial crimes unit within the IRS.  All of the evidence within this sketchy operation came directly to the surface in early spring 2012.

The IRS scandal was never really about the IRS, it was always about the DOJ asking the IRS for the database of information.  That is why it was transparently a conflict when the same DOJ was tasked with investigating the DOJ/IRS scandal.  Additionally, Obama sent his chief-of-staff Jack Lew to become Treasury Secretary; effectively placing an ally to oversee/cover-up any issues.  As Treasury Secretary Lew did just that.

Lesson Learned – It would appear the Obama administration learned a lesson from attempting to gather a large opposition research database operation inside a functioning organization large enough to have some good people that might blow the whistle.

The timeline reflects a few months after realizing the “Secret Research Project” was now worthless (June 2012), they focused more deliberately on a smaller network within the intelligence apparatus and began weaponizing the FBI/NSA database.

How this all comes together in 2019

Fusion GPS was not hired in April 2016 to research Donald Trump.  As shown in the evidence provided by the FISC, the intelligence community was already doing surveillance and spy operations. The Obama administration already knew everything about the Trump campaign, and were monitoring everything by exploiting the FISA database.

However, after the NSA alerts in/around March 9th, 2016, and particularly after the April 18th shutdown of contractor access, the Obama intelligence community needed Fusion GPS to create a legal albeit ex post facto justification for the pre-existing surveillance and spy operations.  Fusion GPS gave them that justification in the Steele Dossier.

That’s why the FBI small group, which later transitioned into the Mueller team, are so strongly committed to and defending the formation of the Steele Dossier and its dubious content.  The Steele Dossier contains the cover-story and justification for the surveillance operation.

During a rather innocuous podcast discussion panel April 12th, 2019, one of President Trump’s personal lawyers Jay Sekulow mentioned the FBI had three FISA applications denied by the FISA court in 2016. [Podcast Here – Note comment at 25:05]   The denials were always suspected; however, until now no-one in/around the administration has ever confirmed.

If Sekulow is accurate, this adds additional context to the actions of the FBI in the aftermath of Admiral Mike Rogers and an increased urgency in gaining legal justification for surveillance and spy operation unlawfully taking place.  A valid FISA warrant would help the FBI cover-up the surveillance.   The likely targets were Manafort, Flynn and Papadopoulos…. but it appears the DOJ/FBI were rebuked.

These FISC denials would then initiate institutional panic dependent on the election outcome.  An insurance policy would be needed.   The Steele Dossier becomes the investigative virus the FBI wanted inside the system. To get the virus into official status, they used the FISA application as the delivery method and injected it into Carter Page. The FBI already knew Carter Page; essentially Carter Page was irrelevant, what they needed was the FISA warrant and the Dossier in the system {Go Deep}.

Fusion GPS was not hired to research Trump, the intelligence community was already doing surveillance and spy operations. The intelligence community needed Fusion GPS to give them a plausible justification for already existing surveillance and spy operations.

Fusion-GPS gave them the justification they needed for a FISA warrant with the Steele Dossier.  Ultimately that’s why the Steele Dossier is so important; without it, the DOJ and FBI are naked with their FISA-702 abuse as outlined by John Ratcliffe.


♦ Prove the July 31st, 2016, Crossfire Hurricane operation originated from fraud by exposing the CIA operation that created the originating “Electronic Communication” memo. Declassify that two-page “EC” document that Brennan gave to Comey.

♦ Release and declassify all of the Comey memos that document the investigative steps taken  by the FBI as an outcome of the operation coordinated by CIA Director John Brennan in early 2016.

♦ Reveal the November 2015 through April 2016 FISA-702 search query abuse by declassifying the April 2017 court opinion written by FISC Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer. Show the FBI contractors behind the 85% fraudulent search queries. [Crowdstrike? Fusion-GPS? Nellie Ohr?]

♦ Subpoena former DOJ-NSD (National Security Division) head John Carlin, or haul him in front of a grand jury, and get his testimony about why he hid the abuse from the FISA court in October 2016; why the DOJ-NSD rushed the Carter Page application to beat NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers to the FISA court; and why Carlin quit immediately thereafter. Squeeze this bastard’s nuts in the proverbial legal vice.

♦ Prove the Carter Page FISA application (October 2016) was fraudulent and based on deceptions to the FISA Court. Declassify the entire document, and release the transcripts of those who signed the application(s); and/or depose those who have not yet testified.

♦ Release all of the Lisa Page and Peter Strzok text messages without redactions. Let sunlight pour in on the actual conversation(s) that were taking place when Crossfire Hurricane (July ’16) and the FISA Application (Oct ’16) were taking place.

♦ Release all of Bruce Ohr 302’s, FBI notes from interviews and debriefing sessions, and other relevant documents associated with the interviews of Bruce Ohr and his internal communications. Including exculpatory evidence that Bruce Ohr may have shared with FBI Agent Joseph Pientka. [And get a deposition from this Pientka fella]

♦ Release the August 2nd, 2017, two-page scope memo provided by DAG Rod Rosenstein to special counsel Robert Mueller to advance the fraudulent Trump investigation, and initiate the more purposeful obstruction of justice investigation. Also Release the October 20th, 2017, second scope memo recently discovered.

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776 Responses to The Obama Use of FISA-702 as a Domestic Political Surveillance Program….

  1. joebkonobi says:

    Since Mueller and his goons had unfettered access to everything, the question may become how much FISA and other evidence did they destroy in the last 2+ years.

    Let’s hope IG Horrowich is a patriot and has been unchained. Hopefully he has been made aware of Sundance’s eight investigative actions. Otherwise not sure who has the access to the classified data in order to gather the hard evidence. I think it is better if Horrowich does his job as opposed to forcing PDJT’s hand. Problem is Wray is still around and based on IG’s first report Wray still has significant editorial control.

    Liked by 4 people

  2. fanbeav says:

    I want to know why many more GOP are not screaming from the rooftops? Why are they silent? This happened to them also and they act as if they can’t say anything – McConnell, Burr, Romney, McCarthy to name a few!

    Liked by 10 people

    • Marygrace Powers says:

      …Or more likely COMPLICIT/they’ve
      become multi-millionaires while in office.

      Liked by 14 people

      • Goingfortexas says:

        Marygrace….. you are spot on with your comment.

        Liked by 1 person

      • Dutchman says:

        Complicit, but its NOT about $; its about Power, and ideology.

        Uniparty MEANS “ONE party”, creating the ILLUSION that there are TWO parties.

        When you think of Ryan or McConnell, imagine them, like a,scene from “Mission Impossible”, pulling off their mask, to reveal,….Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Scumer!

        This is the real unmasking going on, and its DJT doing it. By REALLY trying to do what we Deplorables have wanted, and Republicons (leadership in Congress) fighting him, every step of the way, he is exposing the true nature of the Republicons, and the Uniparty con job.
        And yes, the silence of the Republicon leadership in Congress, along with many overt acts, exposes they are wolves in sheeps clothing, and are Globalist Marxists, EXACTLY like Nancy and Chuck.

        Liked by 6 people

        • Marygrace Powers says:

          ULTIMATELY “FOLLOW THE MONEY.” sundance

          Peter Schweizer interview re: Secret Empires –

          If it wasn’t about the money/how do you
          explain these monstrous billion dollar deals
          by Biden, McConnell, Kerry etc.

          Liked by 5 people

          • BestBets says:

            I think it was in a recent Larry Klayman interview on Crowdsource the Truth wherein Klayman said this enrichment by politicians has been going on for decades. He said that LBJ was a schoolteacher before he went to Washington and pondered about how Johnson became so rich.

            Liked by 1 person

            • Mr. T. says:

              LBJ was a school teacher for one year at a small poor school in Texas. Then he went into politics like he always wanted to. He was interested in being the Education President but I have to laugh when he is described as a schoolteacher.


          • Marygrace Powers says:

            Note that Biden, McConnell
            and Kerry did billion dollar deals
            with the Chinese Government.

            How is that not CORRUPT? And
            Schweizer notes how McConnell’s
            voting record shows he’s ALWAYS
            SOFT on CHINA. Gimme a break!

            Liked by 2 people

          • Dutchman says:

            Because once you get above a certain amount, you have more $ than you, your family to grandchildren can ever use. WHY acquire more?

            Because $ is POWER, and for some its NOT about the benjamins, per se, its only that the $ represents an easy to wield form of POWER.


        • Iamcat says:

          More than globalists, they are simply white collar criminals on steroids.


    • Alvin Truthfinder says:

      Blackmail. They don’t dare say a word.
      Fear. Life is good. They’ll lose favors and a high level of cushy-ness if they say anything.
      Guilt. They’re in on it.
      Reasons for my answer: I just finished reading Obstruction of Justice, by Luke Rosiak.

      Liked by 4 people

    • Pale rider says:

      Would any of the surveillance have been publicized if mueller never did a report? At least to this extent.

      Liked by 1 person

      • ms Idaho` says:

        I posted a day or 2 ago – to me it smacks of the greatest sting EVAH!

        Liked by 1 person

        • Marygrace Powers says:

          What we are witnessing is a system of
          coordinated measures put in place to
          apprehend ALL the criminals/suspects
          involved in this DS cabal.

          History will record it as the greatest
          most comprehensive DRAGNET EVAH! ^^^
          THANK YOU POTUS!

          Liked by 2 people

    • TexasDude says:

      They approve. Remember, Paul Ryan was voted in on the Tea Party movement, which Obama specifically targeted with the IRS.

      Republicans and Democrats hated the Tea Party. The fact that Paul Ryan made it to Speaker of the House while betraying his origins is testament to his betrayal and the power of the establishment.

      Liked by 4 people

      • Jim in TN says:

        Paul Ryan was first elected in 1998. A good while after Newt’s Contract with America, and long before the Tea Party erupted. He became Speaker in October 2015. Shortly before Trump’s Victory.

        He did though benefit from the Tea Party retaking the House. It got him an important chairmanship. That, by the way is standard procedure for both parties. The freshmen who retake Congress are expected to toe the line and not make waves. Those who make waves will be taken out by their own party. The lifers, who have successfully played the game for decades, reap the benefits, owing the party and not the upstarts.

        That is part of the fun watching AOC, Omar and company. They make life difficult for plastic faced Pelosi.

        Liked by 1 person

        • Your Tour Guide says:

          How many of the people in congress date back to
          Bill Clinton’s first term? I would consider all of them
          the most compromised, for starters. Hillary’s FBI files,

          Have always thought that the only reason that Obama
          managed to wriggle past Clinton is that he wasn’t in
          the U.S. congress at that time. Alway voting “present”
          also helped.

          Hillary has had blackmail material on everyone that dates
          back to the FBI files forever. Dirty little fact: a thief can walk
          into a given room, and instantly know where to find someone
          that is like minded. So, past the initial, compromised group
          that Hillary had the dirt on, a new crew arrived. Most likely
          the worst of the originals spotted fresh, new, easily corrupted
          talent. Once they bit, they were blackmailed accordingly.

          Ryan, Flake, a whole bunch of the initial Tea partiers that
          turned into complete turncoats. Eric Cantor, anyone? Gowdy.

          Anyway, look for the long timers. The ones that have been
          there since the FBI files. Then locate the “talent” they discovered.
          The Eric Swalwells and the like.

          There’s a reason that Pelosi and the old crowd hate AOC and
          the other two in the ghastly trio so much. They didn’t create them.
          They didn’t research them. They had no advance intel to
          blackmail them with. Consequently, they can’t control the outcomes
          like they’ve been able to do with everyone else. As much as
          I hate the ghastly trio, I find a bit of perverse enjoyment in that
          little fact.

          Liked by 1 person

    • dbdb says:

      IMHO, thieves have a long greedy streak. If they were able to steal data on a few, they were actually stealing data on anyone and everyone! I’m guessing all opposition politicians and some within their own party. Include Judges and Corporate players and Political Money people.

      Why? Leverage using dirty deeds? No doubt in my mind! Such available data would also be used to stay one step ahead of ongoing events. They would always appear to have they right answer and counter argument, the smartest guys in the room! With a higher level of aggression they could plant faults information and take out a player before an argument even began. example: Tea party groups with visits from every government agency possible.

      I’m guessing every Repub Senator and most Representatives were surveilled! If true and all of the name were released, it would change the focus. NOT about spying on Trump! Spying on everyone! That’s a very different argument!!!

      Liked by 2 people

    • Iamcat says:

      Because Romney and others helped Feinstein fund Fusion GPS to block Trump.

      Liked by 1 person

    • MelH says:

      Romney was no doubt heavily investigated when he ran, and McCain? I read in the Epoch Times that Kramer, the dude that went to London to pick up the dossier, was McCains “Assistant”, a private citizen, and he was the one that first peppered the earth with the dossier. Epoch Times sent, via USPS, a huge new newspaper, in two parts,covering SpyGate, all of it pro-Trump. I think they sent to all Trump and RNC contributors, which is of course preaching to the choir, no help with the problem at hand.


      • Jim in TN says:

        The earth was already peppered with the Dossier long before McCain had Kramer fetch it and give it to the FBI and to the media.

        That was FusionGPS’s job. Steele did it too. And they published accusations and hints before the election. Not sure how much was due to FBI leaks. But never forget, the FBI was using reporting from these leaks as ‘independent’ confirmation, while at the same time (temporarily) breaking contact with Steele for leaking, while hiding that from the FISC.

        And Hillary’s campaign was using the leaks and accusations against Trump.

        I like to call McCain ‘Johnny come lately’. But, he served a major purpose in publicizing and turning this fraud into a scandal. I bet the idiots had planned to never let us know that the FBI had it all along. Nor that they had worked with Hillary’s stooges to help create it.

        Liked by 3 people

    • redline says:

      UniParty / Big Club.

      Those you name are perfectly content with America’s destruction, as long as they don’t bear the responsibility of being in a position to prevent it, and can turn a tidy profit while remaining ineffectual.


  3. kebbie says:

    I can’t thank you enough, Sundance, for your patient repetition of the known facts surrounding this complex attempt to destroy America. These nefarious groups (enemy of the people) may bob and weave but if we keep our eye on the target we will bring them to justice. At the least they have aided and abetted our enemies, and the most they have committed treason. I watch and wait with baited breath. We have an obligation to our children and grandchildren, as well as our founding fathers, not to let this go unpunished.

    Liked by 14 people

    • Silverguy says:

      I want to preface my comment by telling you that I am ZHer and have been for ~9 yrs and was a Trump supporter. That being said, I think a lot of people on this site are going to be EXTREMELY pissed when this whole Mueller and Fusion GPS thing is over. There is way more evidence that nothing will be done than there is justice being served. Wray and Debbie Waserman Schultz are but 2 examples of just who is running what.

      You Trump supporters can’t see the whole shit show slowly crumbling nor why nothing seems to be done about it. I suggest every tree person quit drinking the cool and read just about anything on the Bolshevik Revolution and who did the suffering. Without a doubt the same “treatment “ is coming. Hedge accordingly.

      Liked by 2 people

      • sebastiantruesdell says:

        I have suggested reading Doctor Zhivago. It shows how naive and, well, just plain ignorant folks were concerning what was going on around them. Somewhere toward the end of the book, Yuri realizes that they had made a mistake. An error of judgment that destroyed everything.

        Yep folks. Read all that you can on the Bolshevik Revolution. It is coming to your town. Wake up!!

        Liked by 2 people

      • CHenie says:

        @Silverguy-I couldn’t agree more and have been saying right here on CTH for more than a year that NO ONE IS GOING TO JAIL. Most Treepers are interested in correcting someones spelling than they are facing reality. (And BTW-I’d be willing to bet no one else will reply to your comment)

        This Republic , or what’s left of it, was taken over when the DS blew JFKs brains out in broad daylight. And then RFKs and then MLKs and Malcolm X and on and on.

        I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to find out the exact same thing SD just reported on is still happening.

        The Deep State, however you define it, does what it pleases because they know that We the People will do nothing about it.

        I mean, I get it…if one is not interested in sacrificing for the sake of the future and/or for justice OK-but don’t type stuff like “cold anger” and “from my cold dead hands” because you are not going to do anything that jeopardizes your bread and circuses and your imagined liberty.


        • trialbytruth says:

          Where have you been reading? Creepers are.neither naive or spelling police. We have however be one very astute at spotting disingenuous gaslighting.

          1 little, 2 little, 3 little indians

          Liked by 5 people

        • MelH says:

          “We people will do nothing” suggests there IS something we can do, besides hype the vote. What would you suggest? Please dream, if you must, because I really do want to know what we COULD do if we were so motivated.

          Liked by 1 person

        • Beau Geste says:

          To the extent that PDJT refuses to release all the JFK records he promised to release, he is complicit. What possible records could be “classified”, or reveal currently-relevant “sources and methods” over a half-century later? Many here await the FISA release and other current records, for which “timing” may be an argument for delaying release. But there is no “timing” argument that can be valid for the JFK records. If the CIA, or Castro, or the Russians, or the Mexican embassy, or aliens for some kooks, were involved, lets see it.
          AS far as I am concerned, PDJT betrayed his promises and responsibilities when he refused to release ALL of the JFK records.


        • Iamcat says:

          Many of us here have been preparing for this chaos for a long time. We are waiting for the shot heard around the world. Do not think we are not ready. You do not start a war without strategy.


      • Rob says:

        If Clinton had won the election, what you wrote may be accurate. But Trump won, and this is a different situation now. Trump, nor his supporters, will EVER let this slide.

        Liked by 1 person

      • KnowSERENOFear says:

        Yup. It’s not like folks are not informed…they are either apathetic or expect our corrupt central government to self indict, self prosecute, and self incarcerate. Never going to happen. Change will only happen when things get personal…the bear gets poked. And then the change can only happen at the local level with local sheriffs, local counties, etc. May takes States succeeding from the union, nullifying all federal policies, and refusing to enforce all federal administrative law.

        Many folks simply can’t grasp the simplicity of the current situation…that today is no different than any day since the beginning of social humanity: the entitled elite vs the common folk.

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      • Deb says:

        We’ve already accomolished what pessimistic people like you said was impossible, we elected PDJT.

        Nothing is impossible if you work hard and pray.

        Easy? Of course not. Since the beginning of our Republic people have had to be willing to lay down their fortunes and their lives to defeat the tyranny of the “elite.” PDJT is doing his part, are you?

        If you aren’t willing to educate the people around you, to stand up and demand justice, you don’t deserve to be free.

        We can and will win. All we have to do is refuse to give up. The left keep hammering and hammering hoping we will simply surrender. They never win a direct fight. All we have to do is exactly what we did in 2016, pray hard and persevere.

        Liked by 6 people

      • Iamcat says:

        I lost a lot of steam when Sessions allowed the Awans to walk.


    • amjean says:

      “Aided and abetted our enemies” IS treason.

      Liked by 2 people

  4. Phil aka Felipe says:


    [During a rather innocuous podcast discussion panel April 12th, 2019, one of President Trump’s personal lawyers Jay Sekulow mentioned the FBI had three FISA applications denied by the FISA court in 2016.]

    [If Sekulow is accurate, this adds additional context to the actions of the FBI in the aftermath of Admiral Mike Rogers and an increased urgency in gaining legal justification for surveillance and spy operation unlawfully taking place. A valid FISA warrant would help the FBI cover-up the surveillance.]

    [These FISC denials would then initiate institutional panic dependent on the election outcome. An insurance policy would be needed. The Steele Dossier becomes the investigative virus the FBI wanted inside the system. To get the virus into official status, they used the FISA application as the delivery method and injected it into Carter Page. The FBI already knew Carter Page; essentially Carter Page was irrelevant, what they needed was the FISA warrant and the Dossier in the system.]

    Enter Peter Strzok’s friend and FISA Court Judge, Judge Contreras, to approve the thrice rejected FISA warrant.

    Sundance throws off more Sun Light! Thanks SD!

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  5. Sherri Young says:

    Found on timeline:

    “Aug ??, 2016 Susan Rice orders stand down to White House cyber security coordinator, Michael Daniel. Happens in “late Aug”. Don’t get ahead of the white house on this [see: Jun 20, 2018 Yahoo]”

    Here is the source article. The author, Michael Isikoff, cites his book which was co-written by a fellow leak conduit, David Corn. So, take that grain of salt.

    Daniel added that “it’s not accurate to say that all activity ceased at that point.” He and his staff “shifted our focus” to assisting state governments to protect against Russian cyberattacks against state and local election systems.

    But as for his work on developing cyber deterrence measures, “those actions were put on a back burner and that was not the focus of our activity during that time period.”
    Michael Daniel, Obama’s cybersecurity czar, refers to “assisting state governments…..” The offers of assistance came from Jeh Johnson at DHS. Brian Kemp, now guv of Georgia was the GA Sec’y of State at that time and over the GA election division. Kemp declined the “assistance”. Soon, the GA election database started receiving multiple attempts (10?) at entry.

    Last year, Stacy Abrams lost against Brian Kemp in the GA race for guv. Instead of becoming irrelevant, she has become a darling of the Resistance Left. Oprah campaigned for her. The Obamas campaigned for her.


    • Beau Geste says:

      Another question for mewler or other “investigator” testifying to congress:
      Q: did you investigate the alleged efforts to “hack” the GA voter database? Did Hillary, Obama or the FBI/DOJ/CIA have anything to do with these alleged attacks? Provide all the files relating to (alleged) interference with state elections. Provide all records of spying on or “surveillance” of, any candidate for statewide office in a 2016 election or primary.

      Liked by 3 people

  6. Sherri Young says:

    Lee Stranahan has tried and tried to draw attention to the Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election.

    Liked by 6 people

  7. John Rawls says:

    Explain why Obama admin met with FusionGPS right after this FISC ruling.

    Explain what parts of the Dossier originated with 702 queries.

    Explain the money trail.

    Explain exactly what Nellie Ohr did.

    Explain how Obama admin worked with FBI to get the FISA warrant.

    Liked by 4 people

  8. BigTalkers says:

    This also means House Dems don’t need to feign a fight with Treasury to obtain copies of Mr Trump’s TAX RETURNS.

    All they need do is call up any of Mr Obama’s senior aides and ask them for their copies, at least for any filings made during his lifetime through Jan ’17.

    Liked by 3 people

    • John Rawls says:

      Let’s face it….

      Obama had a Spying problem.

      Liked by 6 people

    • madeline says:

      PDT has said he always gets audited is this a result of the IRS spying…

      Liked by 3 people

      • Dutchman says:

        NO! READ the “Art of the Comeback”, DJT’s business enterprise, on PAPER “lost” 1 Billion $, in ONE year, at least for tax purposes.
        After wrapping his mind around that, he realised it was actually an asset; ANY business is allowed to “carry forward” business losses from one year, to future years, and use said losses, in order to offset future profits.

        For DJT’s enterprises, it meant any businesses he had, or aquired, could avoid paying taxes on profits, by using these losses as offsets. Its perfectly legitimate, but explains,why he has been audited ever since.

        Each year, the profits of his many companies, are offset by this loss, at least until he reaches the billion $ mark.(technically, $900 million,IIRC).

        No one before or since (likely) has been in the unique tax situation he found himself in, but if you have a basic understanding of corporate or business taxes, it is logical, legal and brilliant.

        Unfortunately, MOST people DON’T understand business taxes. I CRINGE when I hear people say “Oh, they can just take it as a write-off!” for instance, when in context its obvious they have NO IDEA what they are talking about.

        And mind you, I am NOT an accountant, book keeper, CPA. I just pay attention. Its really NOT THAT COMPLICATED.

        Liked by 2 people

        • Jim in TN says:

          Company I worked for went bankrupt last year. Like you said I was ignorant. Thought my stock would be worthless. Court ordered all people with stock to do nothing with it, not even write it off. The losses were the most valuable asset the company had to sell.

          Liked by 1 person

          • Sherri Young says:

            Remember Solyndra? That was part of Obama’s green new deal. The company took on more than $500 billion in debt that was backed by government (taxpayer) guarantees. Market circumstances turned against Solyndra, but the company was poorly run and was too shaky for us to be lending them big money in the first place. When they promptly went bankrupt, the original investors were allowed to provide debtor-in-possession (DIP) bridge loans which became the superior claims. The taxpayers got stuck with paying off the debt but the investors got to claim the NOL (net operating loss) of approx $700 billion.

            Of course, the Solyndra investors were friends of Obama.


    • Rob says:

      They probably already have Trump’s tax returns. What they may be trying to do is justify how they obtained it. Otherwise, anything from it would not be admissible in court.

      Liked by 3 people

    • Deb says:

      They have the tax returns already. They need a pretense to make them public.

      Liked by 2 people

  9. Father of 3 Gen Zers says:

    SD, Do you think President Trump reads the content? I would hope so with all the sharing here and other social media where we link here. Just seeing the great content and well informed and bright people you can imagine the distribution of like minds throughout the country and abroad. President Trump has the greatest ability to communicate and tools with social media. He uses them for his purposes. It would be ideal if he could communicate the potential serious issues related here to his broad audience and force the media and others to address. I expect he would garner even more support if the public understood what has transpired under Obama. Complicated, intertwined and laced with subterfuge – it is all hard to explain (even though you do it so well). I realize the faith in government, law enforcement and media would be further eroded at the depth and breadth of the corruption. However, the only way these can be improved is to rip off the band aid and hold those complicit accountable and start repairing the damage. At some tipping point those on the sidelines in the media or government or law enforcement would begin taking the risk to expose more of the corruption. Could it end well without wholesale exposure? Many people who have felt unjustly treated by the country, law enforcement, and policies of the last 50 years would realize they have a true champion of their cause. If anyone in power could ever claim to be treated poorly, it is President Trump. He shows us everyday he is one of us. He is maybe the only one who could restore faith in government and right the ship. I pray this is possible for the good of the world.

    Liked by 3 people

    • Bullseye says:

      It would be great if an example could be shown of a opposition politician, a judge or citizen was spied on and or blackmailed over an issue and admitted the blackmail as the reason they took an action.


  10. livefreeordieguy says:

    Brilliant piece, Sundance… Should be required reading for every American… “FISA-702(16)(17) Abuse For Dummies”… Anybody can understand your clear explanation… The abuse is staggering and the cover-up even more so… The fact that 98% of the media completely ignores it confirms beyond doubt that true journalism in America is dead. The roadmap is clear… It is up to AG Barr now.

    Liked by 7 people

  11. OlderAndWiser says:

    Sundance, you are catching on. Appreciate it.
    I should introduce myself:
    1) Relatively new to this board. So must say something about myself. Techie here who has met with many senior people. Without saying much more, I know personally that a very senior member of the Joint Chiefs (under Obama) was involved in a private company, and that he wanted the company to collect databases of everyday individuals – and wanted to sell it to “political interests.” Was also involved with a company that collected financial (and other personal data) that were sold to other companies.
    2) Do any of you recall some talk a while back where the Obama administration talked about conservative groups (like the Tea Party) as terrorists? Could there be an IC “finding” to such an opinion, thereby granting the deep state the authority to spy on all of us?

    All of you are patriots. Keep fighting the good fight, or this wonderful country of ours will be lost.

    Liked by 10 people

    • Alligator Gar says:

      What continues to bug me is how many of the true patriotic old Cold Warrior Korea and Viet Nam-era vet later turned techie types that put us on the moon and made us capable of defeating the Soviets in the 1980s have been put in the death’s-head databases of the neo-Soviet Demonrat Party. My dad being one of those said Patriots.

      The World Turned Upside Down indeed.

      Liked by 2 people

    • Debra says:

      How could regular, everyday individuals begin to find out whether we were spied on?

      It is one thing for a person to know a ‘machine’ tracked their inquiries such as to target advertising and marketing back to that particular ‘machine’, but how do we find out whether an actual person was so enamored to know what we are doing, that we are spied on?


      • Deb says:

        Did you contribute to a political campaign or conservative group?

        Make comments on Twitter or Facebook that supported conservative causes or politicians?

        Have you visited sites like this one?

        Then your IP address is on a list somewhere.

        That is the point, they are already spying on all of us. When we decide to run for office, or work for a campaign, or speak out against some policy or abuse, they can use their database to dig up some dirt. If there is no dirt they will simply spin some joke you made or innocuous sarcastic comment to make you look like a racist/sexist/homophobic bigot. That is what political correctness is all about, being able to move the goal posts for acceptable behavior and speech to take out your political opponents.

        The question is not whether we are being spied on or abused. Or rights are being trampled. The question is what are we going to do about it? Voting for PDJT was just one shot across the bow in an ongoing Cold War against globalist tyranny. The Deep State, the Uniparty, all of them are the enemy. They would love for this war to become hot, they want to take us all out. We must defeat them at the ballot box and in the courts.

        Liked by 2 people

        • Debra says:

          I have been acutely aware that our data/information is accessible for quite some time.

          My question has to do with whether any individual who has had their data actually retrieved, looked at, mulled over, flagged, etc., when, or WILL, that spied on individual ever be apprised of same . . .?


    • TwoLaine says:

      That’s also what the ObamaCare marketplace is all about. Except it’s a dud, all around.


  12. Iamcat says:

    Breaking news Treepers! JW got Preistap under oath, FBI found all missing Hillary emails
    in Obama’s office!! They had them all before
    they started the coup!! Biggest crime against the Republic!! It’s at gateway pundit.

    Liked by 7 people

  13. Tparty says:

    Interesting sidebar. Podesta was a very early advocate of the Russia Hoax according to his own leaked emails. Jim Hoff has a piece that rexamines the timing and adds context.

    Liked by 2 people

    • TwoLaine says:

      Yes, Robby Mook accused WikiLeaks of hacking the DNC computers to help TRUMP on 24 Jul 2016. I think they already knew they’d been hacked and who the culprit was. They were laying the groundwork to take him out, just as they did the attorney for Sanders campaign, and simultaneously pin it on Assange and TRUMP. Seth Rich knew better, and he was murdered in D.C. on 8 Jul 2016. Jeese Liu anyone?

      Assange suggests on 9 Aug 2016 that he got the emails from Seth Rich. Princess MK interviewed him on 24 Aug 2016 and he told her plenty more docs were coming.

      I don’t think this is just about this one subject. There are so many skeletons in all theee CROOKED peoples closets, it’s enough to give us all nightmares, and it has.

      I think they let the Awan Bros and Wolfe off easy because they know way too many secrets. The same for IDIOT DWS, FL-D. They know better than anyone else where all the bodies are buried.

      Liked by 1 person

      • Mary Morse says:

        l jean camp heard about the hack and started looking at the alpha server communications, from May 1 2016 till Sept 2016. Can she do that without access to the NSA data base? If not, how did she have access?


  14. justlizzyp says:

    Sundance has pointed out that it was very unlikely for POTUS to have ‘seen everything’ because of how all the information is compartmentalized. I believe part of the reason was to guard against Obstruction of Justice fodder. He knew the broad strokes but had not likely seen the underlying documents.

    Judging by the tone and pace of POTUS’s recent Twitter activity I get the feeling he may have started looking. I have no proof, just a feeling based on what I see as a more confrontational tone.

    Liked by 1 person

    • Sherri Young says:

      The pace may be picking up in part because of what is going on with Judicial Watch and their efforts. Watch the “Document Archive” on their site.

      Liked by 4 people

    • Dutchman says:

      Given the highly contentious, long running argument in the comments sections of this website, regarding “Trust Sessions, trust the plan”, vs. “Sessions is a snake”,
      And, given that PDJT was constrained from asking Sessions any direct questions, in order to avoid even the appearance of Obstruction, I wonder at what point PDJT concluded Sessions was doing NOTHING, rather than Sessions was actually conducting investigations, with sealed endictments, secret grand juries, all the while “refusing to confirm or deny ongoing investigations”?

      I do not ascribe to the notion that PDJT knew all of this, from the start. I think he had to gradually figure this out, over time, with limited information, and little confidence in what he was being told.

      Actually, it makes him and his succesful weaving through the mindfield of traps set for him even more remarkeable, and his memoirs are goinf to be fascinating to read.
      WHAT did PDJT know, and WHEN did he know it, of this unbelievable blatant and machivalian plot?

      Liked by 1 person

      • Chip Doctor says:

        Dutchman, I agree that he had to figure it out over time. However, he had a few good men in his corner, one of which was Jay Sekulow. Very grateful for this man. He has done much to Make America Great Again.

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    • GB Bari says:

      Early on, some sources on the ‘net claimed that PDJT was asked to run for POTUS by some generals who allegedly filled him in on some of the more nefarious activities going on under Ozero and how Cankles was “in deep” (corruption) up to her second chin.

      I am wondering if the reason that DJT was never ables to be trapped by the Obama IC Coup team was that he was tipped off about the illegal surveillance long before Adm. Rogers ever visited the White House. I’m thinking DJT was given info about the 702 abuse before he declared his candidacy.

      That didn’t mean that DJT knew in advance that spies like Page, or campaign “inserts” like Papadopoulos and Manafort would be compromised by deliberately-planned interactions with CIA-connected spies (Mifsud, Halper, Thompson) who would plant “Russian”-stained information on them so that they would carry it back into and infect the campaign.

      But he never bit the bait and per Mueller, no one win his campaign ever bit the bait, so there had to be some real awareness that they were being “watched”.

      Liked by 1 person

      • ms Idaho` says:

        GB Bari – I remember the same thing. Come to similar conclusions. Have also read elsewhere that there is a praetorian guard of competent investigators working on behalf of POTUS. As many here have stated, ‘don’t worry, he has this’. I wholeheartedly agree

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        • GB Bari says:

          Just to keep it real, I think that Sundance has revealed that the coup perpetrators in the beginning and into the middle of the “investigation” were keeping many of the different subplots fairly “compartmentalized”, so it’s quite likely that neither PDJT nor his “praetorian guard” were always aware of **every** part of the overall scheme.


          • ms Idaho` says:

            None of us can know everything. But here at the treehouse we have many darn good sleuths to round out the sources of informatioin


          • Sherri Young says:

            Probably true about the compartmentalization. That is how successful terror cells work too. It is a proven model.


      • justlizzyp says:

        Interesting. Very interesting.


  15. Lee Moore says:

    I keep on wondering why they went to the trouble of getting a FISA on Carter Page. Which led me on to be thinking about the uses of the “two-hop” rule. And a new thought occurred to me (new to me that is.)

    I had previously been thinking of Carter Page linked to say 100 people (one hop) and then each of them linked to say 100 more each. So 10,000. But some will be duplications and some will be family and baking recipes. So let’s say 1,000 people whose communications you might want to “surveil.”

    But that’s not right. Once you’ve got a FISA warrant, you can surveil whoever you damn want ! Because all you have to do is send Carter an email (using a suitable name.) Once you do you are immediately one hop away from Carter. So then anyone else you send an email to is automatically two hops from Carter. Want to surveil, say, Mollie Hemingway ? Easy. Send Carter an email. Then send Mollie one. She’s in.

    So the universe of people you can surveil is not limited to people who happen to be two hops from your FISA target. You can select victims and place them within two hops of Carter Page.

    And so maybe the FISA warrants aren’t a desperate panicked attempt to take out an insurance policy against The Donald winning. Maybe they’re just a way to continue doing what Admiral Rogers closed down in April 2016. Indeed it’s even better than that, because once you have your FISA warrant, it’s all legal.

    Liked by 1 person

    • Rob says:

      It’s already well reported that the reason for the Carter Page FISA was to legally introduce the dossier into the FBI.


      • Texican says:

        Sure. But Lee Moore has a pretty good point. That setup’s ripe for abuse.

        Liked by 1 person

      • Dr.Jay says:

        Huh? Nope, that dossier was already part of the file starting the day that the investigation was officially opened, 31st July 2016. A (early) verson of the Steele dossier had been delivered by B. Ohr to A. McCabe that morning.

        The FISA was simply needed to spy on the Trump campaign, and probably also to cover for illegal spying prior to mid Okt 2016.


    • trialbytruth says:

      I have stated here before that C Page no doubt got a fundraising letter from the Trump train I got a letter from the Trump train so I am fair game. Now nobody cares about me but every Republican got one, so all their. Communications are fIr game that’s a lot of political Intel and blackmail material.


  16. Another Scott says:

    Spyin’ Barak

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  17. AmericaFirst says:

    I’ve been reading here since before this coup attempt began, nearly every day and most of the offshoot articles. I find the sheer scale and the massive willingness to abuse governmental power hard to fathom.

    This is the best, most clear-cut as SD has been able to make it, and I believe all Republican or Democrat or Independent Senators or Representatives who still pretend to have a single patriotic cell left should be required to read it – several times – and understand it before EVER attempting to question another witness on the subject.

    Watergate was very partisan. Filegate was partisan; travel office-gate was partisan, Benghazi shouldn’t have been, but was, partisan. And on and on.

    If there has ever been a time when congress-critters could prove that they actually care more about the country than they do about their respective parties, this would be that time. Forgive my cynicism but I don’t expect to see that proven.

    Liked by 6 people

    • Dutchman says:

      THIS, “Spygate” was NOT ‘partisan’ IMHO.
      There is simply NO WAY this Spying could have gone on, as long as it did, without the leadership in both ‘parties’, in both Houses, being unaware.

      Not only were Republicons actively complicit in the weoponisation against DJT, they were aware of, and compli it in the,earlier spying.

      I say this because they were active participants in the earlier targeting of Tea party groups; Hell, they were the INSTIGATORS, as well as the main beneficiaries!

      Perhaps this gave Obama the green light, signalling that Repubs would be “o.k.” with such domestic spying, ot perhaps he needed no such green light.

      Either way, Ryan and McConnells fingerprints are ALL OVER both the spying, and the cover up.


      • Marygrace Powers says:

        Yes/Here’s proof it was NOT partisan –

        McCain’s Office Urged IRS To Use Audits As Weapons To Destroy Political Advocacy Groups – UPDATED/

        By Larry O’Connor – The Washington Times – Friday, June 22, 2018

        “A new report from Judicial Watch reveals a concerted effort from Sen. John McCain’s office to urge the IRS under Lois Lerner to strike out against political advocacy groups, including tea party organizations.

        Thanks to the results of an extensive Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request that has been delayed for many years, Judicial Watch has obtained several key emails from 2013 that chronicle McCain’s and Democrat Sen. Carl Levin’s efforts to reign in the advocacy groups that sprouted immediately following the Citizens United decision from the Supreme Court.”


        • Dutchman says:

          Thank you, marygracr!
          Please tell me (rhetorical) WHY the Obama tainted IRS would agree?

          WHY would Levin, a Democrat support targeting Tea party groups?

          They were not any threat to Democrats, in the,short or midterm, but they were an immediate threat to REPUBLICANS, and especially Republican LEADERSHIP in Congress.

          They successfully primaried Eric Kantor. Suppose they had gone on to primary Ryan or McConnell?

          WHAT effect would this have had on Democrats? NONE negative, but it would have really messed up their so called competition, the Republicans in Congress.

          Obama should have ordered the IRS to EXPIDITE the applications, NOT slow them down! WHY was Obama HELPING Republicon leadetship in Congress?


  18. Newhere says:

    This is incredible work.

    Two other curious threads:

    (1) So the dossier was the “insurance policy” for years of illegal domestic spying. Why were the Clinton campaign and DNC in on it? Why did they finance Fusion GPS, and why did Clinton have her goon Sid Blumenthal helping out? This made sense when it seemed the Clintons were the driver here, to cover her myriad past crimes and get her into office. The years of rampant FISA abuse are an independent criminal predicate (even it Clinton’s crimes utilized the FISA abuse — point being, it was bigger than that and its own separate thing). What I’m getting at is that DOJ (including the FBI) were utterly compromised on FISA abuse and would have needed to run Spygate even without the Clinton campaign pushing and driving it. Why’d they do it in concert? I’m not trying to be dim — I know the two are entwined — but the Clinton team didn’t *have* to be involved in this, so why were they? It suggests one entirely seamless operation ….

    (2) Which points to question 2, which is that we have to wonder if an elaborate, sustained spying ring isn’t itself just one leg, or an offshoot, of even greater criminality. Spying on political foes can be to win elections and anticipate/control opposition. Spying also happens to hide and cover up other wrongdoing, Like U1, Libya ….. a few others we’ve heard of, just imagine what we haven’t heard of. It’s a question that practically answers itself …. but imagine what else we don’t know. You don’t spy so systemically and elaborately for kicks. As SD says, there are trillions at stake. Imagine what’s yet uncovered, what we have no inkling of. Whatever Barr’s intentions — and I believe he has the right intentions — can the system possibly ever get to the actual bottom of this?

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    • ms Idaho` says:

      to answer your question – IMO – the goal was the destruction of the Constitution and the taking down of American greatness. With that in mind anything they could come up with was – in their minds – a fair tactic. Just how many Muslims were (are?) in the Obama administration? Just what was the ‘apology tour’ all about?


      • Dutchman says:

        ms Idaho;
        Agreeing on their goal of the destruction of America, I think this goal explains their NOT “letting it go”, despite numerous opportunities to do so.

        We all, I think, see that this is a HORRIBLE way to run a campaign, continueing to beat this dead horse, while proposing policies that are ludicrous.

        It only makes sense if their goal is to finish what they have started; to tear America apart, turning family members and friends against each other, etc. Trials of these miscreants, where they present defences of “Political prosecutions” would complete the destruction, and the 2020 election might, as well?

        The only way the Dems behavior makes sense, to me is if viewed in the context of their ovrrall goal of Americas destruction.

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        • ms Idaho` says:

          The good news is that our VSG PDJT has the completely opposite goal. I love the meme of him leaning forward in his impeccable suit. It says ‘they want you. the problem is that I am in the way’ (or something like that – you get the idea)
          I also observe POTUS intensively interested in people and their opinions. A mystery observed by many is that the dims and never trumpers appear to be tone deaf – could care less what we think or want.
          As Candice Owens pointed out – ‘they’ think we are stupid – that we are not paying attention – that we don’t care. IMHO ‘they’ could not be more wrong. While the treepers are maybe the MOST informed (as a group) we are by no means the only source of info for those who want to learn more…. and the truth …


    • trialbytruth says:

      They definitely could be covering many things perhaps even many years of foreign influence and information pedaling.

      I am having trouble with “just” Ideology being the driving force or even political power. Midlevel buercrates can be purchased with money and promotion high level buercrates require golden parachutes and foreign escapes. There me be a larger foreign influence involved here then just some disgruntled allies.

      Again Carl Marx made a fortune selling his book just like Birney. Cult like devotion are for followers not leaders. These clowns do not consider themselves followers. So Money and Power but the risk for any spy has to be tempered with a safe haven. Only nation states can offer that

      I know it is an expansion Sion of an already complicated scenario but….


    • GB Bari says:

      Spying provides you (the criminal doing the spying) two primary pieces of information:

      1. it allows you to know exactly what your enemies are saying privately about you and what they are planning in order to beat you.

      2. it allows you to see if your own criminal actions are going unnoticed (if you’re “getting away with” everything), or if people ARE discovering your activities, exactly WHAT is being noticed and HOW are those activities being interpreted by your enemies AND you “friends.”

      I can see no way that the preponderance of top level management in any branch of the government would ever want to let go of the NSA’s surveillance capability (or the Five Eyes agreement) to spy on any and all Americans. It is all too powerful.

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  19. Zippy says:

    George Papadopoulos Explains How He Was Illegally Spied on by the Obama Administration

    Suspects spying originated well before he joined Trump due to the oil export related policies he was recommending to Israel that were the opposite of what the BHO regime was working toward.

    Liked by 3 people

    • Zippy says:

      That’s an interview that was just released today.


    • L. E. Joiner says:

      Many thanks for that video. A real insight into how the FBI/CIA and their foreign cohorts attempted to infiltrate the Trump organization and frame the future President. Papadopolous fought back, and has lived to tell the tale. He is optimistic that President Trump is going to bust the conspiracy wide open and that the perpetrators will be going to jail. I hope he is right. If not, he predicts, a repetition in 2020, and this time the anti-Trumpers might succeed. /LEJ


  20. California Joe says:

    Based on internal affairs investigations by the Office of Professional Responsibly at DOJ and FBI the top management of both agencies know everything! That means Wray, Barr and Rosenstein have reports and assistants that have documented every step of the crimes against President Trump.


  21. Bogeyfree says:

    Bravo Sundance,

    In essence the “Get Trump” fraud and frame job WAS the cover up!

    Yes, a very big and very ballsy one considering it was a coup but nevertheless this WAS the real predicate and cover-up as you indicate for the purpose of protecting the ringleaders.

    Oh, how I hope PT, Don Jr, Rush, Hannity, Bongino, Carter, Soloman, Tucker, Powell, DiGenova, Toensing, Hemingway, AG Barr and others get their hands on this thread!

    You have masterfully gotten everyone’s attention and got them to look back, back beyond the 2016 PT Russian Collusion BS and put the spot light squarely on the weaponizing of our intelligence agencies to gather information and use as possible leverage on Americans!

    This gets us back to 2012/2013 and possibly helps answer the infamous Maxine Waters database reference of “information on EVERYONE” along with the whole IRS information gathering.

    But I ask why did you stopped at 2012?

    We know from recordings and legal filings from the NSA whistleblower, Dennis Montgomery that as far back as 2009 when the Hammer Program went live, Montgomery claims there was spying and gathering of information on millions of Americans.

    And what about the 47 hard drives of this information that Dennis Montgomery and Larry Klayman say they turned over to Comey’s FBI back in Dec 2015?

    Maybe you are taking us back in steps but I hope you will reach out to Klayman and Montgomery and even Binney to add their story to your next period which I hope will be 2009-2012.

    Brilliant thread and hats off to you!

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  22. dwpender says:

    Just saw a guest on CNBC — a lawyer at Morrison & Foerster selling his cyber-security and industrial espionage knowledge.

    John Carlin!

    Hopefully Mr Carlin gets an even higher public profile in the near future.


  23. Curt says:

    These, very obvious, violations of FISA court abuse, the illegal queries and illegal use of the 702 data base appear, on the surface, to be easily proven. That is, there are electronic and hard paper trails to all this. It’s obvious just from what Judge Rosemary Collier wrote in April of 2017 that she suspected serious criminal abuses were occurring on the FISA application. Admiral Rogers pretty much says in plain language that NSA’ data base was being significantly abused. Unauthorized criminal queries were occurring between 2012 and 2016. This criminal activity and long term conspiracy is now easily identified. There’s evidence everywhere. How is it that Horowitz’ first investigation found virtually nothing? How is that the FBI’s Director Wray looks like the three famous monkeys when it comes to investigating the abuse the FBI perpetrated? DOJ under Sessions was criminalized! IRS weaponized…

    Of all the human beings involved in this deep state government abuse, and attempted take down of a lawfully elected president, Admiral Rogers appears to be the ONLY true white hat American of the entire bunch. How scary is that? Don’t expect the effete IG Horowitz TO PRODUCE ANYTHING but a watered down report on the activities of these Mueller led criminals. This is the greatest criminal government conspiracy and scandal the history of this country. What makes it particularly appalling is that virtually the entire media is a willing participant; unwilling to investigate and report what really happened. There are NO checks and balances left. If President Trump had appointed William Barr, or someone aggressive, to AG from day one much of this, if not all, could have been dealt with and avoided. Unfortunately, most of these players will continue to undermine our democracy and retire from government service with nice paychecks.
    The colossal mistake made was the appointment of the feckless and weak Jeff Sessions which further enabled these conspirators to cover their tracks and create chaos. I truly believe Sessions was a total dupe playing into the hands of these deep state conspirators. Meanwhile President Trump continues do do a great job with the economy, trade, jobs and myriad other issues.


    • Dutchman says:

      Ah, the love of melodrama.
      I am not yet convinced Adm. Rogers is a sparkling White Hat.
      Other than shutting it down, and allegedly giving PDJT a heads up, WHAT has he done? He KNOWS about this abuse, but unlike his counterparts, Comey, Brennan, Clapper, he has not spoken about any of this publically.

      Perhaps he did the minimum he nedded to do, to COVER HIS ASS, and to distance himself from any criminal charges?

      As for Horowitz, effete I don’t know or care. The public confirmation that he continued to push, after being told “not recoverable” 3 times, to recover the lovers emails, and disseminate them, says to me he is NOT a black hat.

      LOOK how much info we get from them:
      Insurance policy
      Potus knows
      No there, there.
      And so much more. IF he were a ‘hack’, or worse yet compromised, it would have been SO EASY, after the first, second or even third time forensic IT guys told him the texts were unrecoverable, to accept that.

      Would we know today, what we know, ic not for those texts?

      So, I suggest we await his next reports, which will be submitted to Barr (as the Principle), rather than Rosie; it will be another clear indication of Barrs intent.

      Horowitz has already proved his bobo fides, in my view as well as demonstrating the realistic limitations of an I.G., when the Department leadership is corrupted.

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    • Bruce Scheidemantel says:

      Unfortunately,I don’t see how Trump could prevent public release of the dossier and come out clean and reveal all the abuse without Mueller first proving no collusion. Otherwise, Dems and NeverTrumpers claim all illegally gathered dossier (etc) data is true, smoke-screening away the real crimes with impeachment hearings. They may still try…


  24. Bill Henslee says:

    The NSA developed a computer program created to capture every single electronic communication on planet Earth. Supposedly it was subsequently scrapped after Congress made some small murmurs about privacy. However, this article shows that most of the electronic communications of every US citizens are captured and stored by NSA. The original program was scrapped but a newer version, code named “Prism” is in operation. This was the classified information that Ed Snowden revealed to public view–and why he is still in hot water..

    I believe that somewhere in the bowels of a super computer of NSA the entire emails of Hillary Clinton plus all her text messages can be found. There may be a privacy issue because of her yoga exercise and wedding preparations are mixed in, but you can bet that every entry that harmed the United States or revealed her dealings with foreign governments to enrich herself and Bill will be in there. And they properly belong to the government.

    I have no doubt that the “wise men” of both parties realize that the revelation of these documents would rock the very foundations of our government institutions. The Rule of Law demands that justice be blind and, theoretically at least, all the members of the conspiracy must be held accountable at law for misdeeds and obstruction of justice. The conundrum is whether locking her up is worth the damage to the

    Liked by 2 people

    • Debra says:

      It is not just locking her up. The twisting of the knife in all patriots backs is the AUDACITY of these traitors to continue to slander our president, to act as if ‘we’ are all such terrible deplorables for not excusing their behavior, and their justification of doing all of this crap to save us from ourselves . .

      Liked by 2 people

    • Rob says:

      “There may be a privacy issue because of her yoga exercise”

      No such thing as a “privacy issue”, we have learned, when under investigation by the DOJ or congress.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Iamcat says:

      JW got the FBI under oath, Preistap, and the emails were found on Obama’s computer. She also had a non govt. blackberry, they found a bunch of other email accounts she used, and blackberry had them on their server. 47,000 I believe is what they recovered. We have been played since the beginning.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Is there damage to the Republic if she isn’t locked up?


  25. mortgagesforthemasses says:

    How deep does this go? I believe greed trumps ideology with the top of the Uniparty food chain.

    Imagine if the outside contractors have hedge fund managers who are clients. How much would they pay for merger and acquisition insider communications? How much for the communications of the CFO of a large Fortune 500 company? How much gets kicked upstairs to the politicians?

    Imagine the Clintons controlling the database. The level of pay-to-play would reach new depths of corruption.

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  26. Dr.Jay says:

    Some comments on the PapaD ‘predicate’, the following seems now clear (at least to me):

    1) The conversation that Papadoupolus had was on May 6th, not May 10th
    2) The conversation was with Eric Thompson, not Downer
    3) The alleged ‘Russia has / may have some of Hillary emails’ remark was NOT reported by Downer on May 11th to AUS gov, but by Erica, months later, and to US embassy staffer
    4) Erica Thompson merely THOUGHT that was what he said, this can’t be confirmed, and she remembered something months later. Erica may have claimed (after the DNC hack was published on June 14th) that she remembered PapaD saying something about emails month earlier.
    5) What was said was supposed to be about ‘Russia has / may have some of Hillary emails’, NOT about any Podesta or DNC emails, so requires no prior or remarkable knowledge
    6) The information was NOT relayed to the FBI by Downer or by AUS Gov, instead it was relayed by Erica to a friend on US embassy, who relayed it via the State Department
    7) The report filed by Downer on May 11th is still redacted but only contains what PapaD said on May 10th to him, and that does not include any remarks about emails. Which is why it is still redacted.

    === NOTES:
    1) based on Mueller report, it specifies a conversation with an AUS diplomat on May 6th, not May 10th
    2) based on Mueller report (and PapaD tweets/book), also see #1: PapaD only met Downer on May 10th, and met Eric Thompson on May 6th
    3) logical conclusion, see also #7: Also Mueller report is wonderfully vague about how the information ended up where… The information from Nunes and in fact the Mueller report can be explained when some AUS diplomat told USA diplomat in Londen about the conversation. Yet Downer filed a report on May 11th (official channels). And Nunes tells us that the information came via unofficial channels and via the State Department.
    4) logical conclusion, she suddenly remembered something weeks later when she heard about the DNC hack (first published on June 14th and updated June 15th by WaPo).
    5) based on Mueller report (& many others): IF he made a remark than he seems to have simply retold a story which was already public knowledge or public assumption. It was talked about in newspapers. Note HILLARY emails, he did no mention DNC or PODESTA emails, so no prior knowledge.
    6) based on Nunes and House Intell findings. They claimed it came via an unofficial route, was unofficial intelligence and that the State Department was involved in forwarding the information from London to Washington (so not based upon report from Downer of May 11th, as that is official, and not via AUS official channels but directly by AUS embassy staffer to a USA embassy staffer in London)
    7) See also #3: the report made by Downer on May 11th about his conversation with PapaD on May 10th is still REDACTED, for which there is NO LOGICAL REASON other than the simple fact that it merely gives PapaD’s views on international politics, and say NOTHING about emails.

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  27. Bogeyfree says:

    Sidney Powell is going to Love this thread!

    Liked by 2 people

  28. deeta says:

    Why John Roberts’ Obamacare decision? Obama’s FISA-702 spying!

    Liked by 1 person

  29. Did Judge Collyer follow-up or pass-on her report to someone higher up on the food-chain so the FBI can be held accountable? Who “judges” the judges?

    Liked by 1 person

  30. Newhere says:

    Another question. Things took a significant turn here at Last Refuge, when the much-anticipated IG report came out on the conduct of MYE; until that point, Sundance was walking us step by step through exposure of the Big UGLY (much as he’s walked us through the cover up, ever since!).

    Then the unexpected: The report has a white wash executive summary slapped onto the front; Horowitz declines, implausibly, to connect obvious and egregious bias to the actual decisions in the investigation; and Wray stumbles from the building (like Spicoli stumbling stoned from his VW van) to assure us he’s taking the report seriously: everyone at FBI will get bias training.

    To Sundance’s massive credit, he is always processing new information, and the MYE report hugely shifted active assumptions. Players, or their “assets” are still active within the DOJ/FBI and likely elsewhere; the take down and cover up continues.

    This new inference is evidence based. The one thing I’ve continued to chew on is Horowitz. He long suffered under the Obama administration, trying to do his job. There’s no evidence he was part of the coup, and all indicators point to a long campaign to actually conduct proper oversight of the department. His conclusion on FBI bias simply has never made sense. With the other investigations we know Sessions ordered, including several more areas of inquiry for Horowitz, I’ve found it hard to let go of the idea that he simply couldn’t say more — couldn’t reach the obvious conclusion — because it was connected to bigger stuff that was still the Department was still sorting out.

    So, my question. In light of this massive FISA criminality under the surface, which we now know ties right into Crossfire Hurricane (the “insurance policy”); and we can guess was tied to MYE as well, it seems like a fair assumption that Clinton’s illegal server was tied to the illegal spying; is to crazy to wonder if Horowitz punted on concluding that “political bias” affected the conduct of MYE — because while it might be facially true, in a grander sense it is NOT true, because it’s much deeper and bigger than that? In other words, it would actually mask the truth to say that mere political animus drove Crossfire Hurricane, because these operatives’ hatred toward Trump was merely incidental, when compared to the more compelling, more damning motive of covering up criminality? Calling it “bias” would let them off easy, and even could cover up the much bigger cover up.

    To come full circle, could it change *anything* about the inferences drawn from the handling of MYE IG report, now that more of the FISA abuse dots are connected? Is it anything more wishful thinking to think that at least Horowitz (maybe even Wray) had to stall and dissemble over the true significance of their MYE findings, because the bulk of the context and explanation was tied into pieces they still were investigating?

    I ask because I’m bracing myself for the next IG report.

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    • Barnestormer says:

      Newhere, excellent question to raise. As I recall, the IG’s hair-splitting was not a finding of absence of bias, but whether bias warped the exercise of judgment by the agents involved. And he essentially found (or at least stated for the record) that he could not so conclude. Did he have or expect to receive evidence of a more sinister motive and chose to keep his powder dry? Could be.

      I suppose it’s also possible that the IG was simply a victim of assignment sequence and inadequate information. What if he had first been tasked with the FISA investigation, and consequently had as his fact foundation for subsequent inquiries, the equivalent of all the evidence of massive spying that CTH has been exposing? Would he have developed his MYE and CH investigation the same way, or would he have devised a whole series of new questions, more skeptical working hypotheses, laid more cul de sacs in his interviews? Spoken with more people?

      In addition, has there been the release of other relevant congressional testimony or other reliable information that could have colored Horowitz’s approach? For example, was Horowitz aware of James Baker’s testimony that he believed Hillary should be prosecuted? Would he have asked Baker if Baker thought himself an unreasonable prosecutor for holding such a position, as implied by Comey’s sweeping characterization? Would Horowitz have pressed Baker as to who, and by what legal rationale, Baker was talked out of his prosecutorial opinion? How much did Horowitz know about the changing predicate claims for CH?

      With all that’s being exposed by SD and others, bias may be the highest defense available to this expanding band of miscreants.


  31. Summer says:

    Sundance is an amazing researcher and it is remarkable how much valuable info can be gleaned from the open source documents. Now imagine if someone had unlimited access to classified data and the power to investigate and prosecute. Someone like… an Attorney General.

    The two tier justice system must be eliminated. I am sick and tired of the Demonrats being above the law. Now Crooked Hillary feels so secure and untouchable that she even has the gall to openly call for impeachment and removal of President Trump.


    Enough is enough.

    Liked by 2 people

  32. Shadrach says:

    Gohmert reveals the historical dirt on Mueller. Spoiler: Mueller is not a “good guy.” Well worth a read.

    Liked by 2 people

    • Deb says:

      This is old news, we’ve known this for years. It doesn’t change a thing, but the the left could try to use it to challenge the legitimacy of the Mueller report and call for new investigations. Don’t let them. Even a partisan hack like Mueller couldn’t indict PDJT, because there were no crimes committed.


  33. tonyE says:

    The Obola Memorial Library will be built on the shores of Guantanamo Bay.

    With two Quonset huts.

    They should move the Clinton Presidential Library next to it.

    With three Quonset huts.

    Liked by 1 person

  34. teeheeman says:

    The timeline makes a lot of sense – great article/research SD.

    If all this “spying” comes out, the Big Ugly could be REALLY UGLY. The Swamp Dwellers at risk are going to fight to the death.

    This sunlight/unmasking can ONLY happen under Trump – Carpe Diem.


  35. David Farrar says:

    Flashback: Maxine Waters Bragged About Obama’s Spying on America @
    “The President has put in place an organization with the kind of database that no one has ever seen before in life,” Representative Maxine Waters told Roland Martin on Monday. “That’s going to be very, very powerful,” Waters said. “That database will have information about everything on every individual on ways that it’s never been done before and whoever runs for President on the Democratic ticket has to deal with that. They’re going to go down with that database and the concerns of those people because they can’t get around it. And he’s [President Obama] been very smart. It’s very powerful what he’s leaving in place.”

    Liked by 1 person

  36. Iamcat says:

    Great work Sundance! From your lips to Barr’s ears.

    Liked by 1 person

  37. Sparky5253 says:

    It is becoming very apparent that Rosenstein is totally corrupt and a willing participant. No wonder he looked like death warmed over during Barr’s press conference.

    Liked by 1 person

  38. stringplayer55 says:

    One thing that stands out to me when reading footnote 69 of the Collyer report is that Judge Collyer states: “(REDACTED access to FBI systems was the subject of an interagency memorandum of understanding entered into REDACTED). Despite the existence of an interagency memorandum of understanding (presumably prepared or reviewed by FBI lawyers), no notice of this practice was given to the FISC until 2016. Of course, such a memorandum of understanding could not override the restrictions of Section 702 minimization procedures.”

    An interagency MOU implies some agreement with another agency of the federal government, not with outside contractors or with Five Eyes partners. The initial redaction is quite short. It appears to be either three or four letters, suggesting to me either CIA (Brennan controlled) or ODNI (Clapper controlled). It would appear that the IC was determining for themselves what the law should be regarding access to the FBI systems and was expansive in their determination beyond what was authorized by Congress. Moreover, it would seem that where the FBI is the only agency permitted to investigate U.S. persons, the expansive agreement sought to extend this to perhaps the CIA.



    • Dr.Jay says:

      There were MULTIPLE issues and abuses reported in that Collyer report. But this one seems to be related to the contractors who are abusing FBI access.
      FBI has MOU with Agency X about … AND
      FBI allows Firm Y to access its database (which (type of) ACCESS is covered by the MOU). So perhaps the Agency X = NSA? It is the access that is covered by the MOU.


    • Earl says:

      I had the same thought when reading that.

      I was wondering if the contractors referred to were the CIA’s open source research team, of which Nellie Ohr was a part. (Obviously the NSA database is not an “open source” but they may have allowed CIA open source researchers with security clearances to do research in the NSA database as part of the spying operation of the Obama administration against political opponents when they realized there was no audit trail to use to identify misuse.) So the MOU would be between FBI and CIA with FBI in return having access to the CIA open source team work product.

      Liked by 1 person

      • Jim in TN says:

        There was talk a long time ago that the FBI, having to follow strict rules from FISA courts, was less supervised in their FISA investigations than the other ICs. Such a MOU would allow the involved IC to skirt their own supervision while using the FBI access and not doing things authorized by a FISA warrant.

        I doubt they would want to be caught doing so. Hence the agreement involves contractors too. These contractors are mentioned in the redacted report. Their names are redactrd.


  39. Iamcat says:

    Sundance, ignore the group of naysayers on twitter who think they know it all. You, Patriot,
    will take a Pulitzer for your work.


    • stringplayer55 says:

      Probably should take a Pulitzer. But the Pulitzer prize no longer represents any sort of excellence in journalism. Rather, it represents excellence in propelling the agenda of the legacy media.

      Ergo, Sundance will never be awarded a Pulitzer.

      Liked by 1 person

  40. Iamcat says:

    Sundance, ignore the group of naysayers on twitter who think they know it all. You, Patriot,
    will take a Pulitzer for your work.


  41. thedoc00 says:

    The problem is one of assessing access authorizations when looking at legal jeopardy. It is nearly 1005 likely all the contractors had the correct clearances and authorization to access the materials downloaded. That is why the most important part of this disclosure would be a complete list of who took materials and logs of materials taken with rational for taking materials. It would also be of interested how the materials were handled and communicated once taken, which is one place legal liabilities may apply. Once all the data is collected there may be a civil case against to be brought by the President, his campaign staff, family and friends for the rights violations attached with this information.

    Once the list of contractors is assembled, a need to know assessment needs to be done as well as a disclosure of who completed the need to know forms for these contractors.

    There may be some technical violations that may attach as well. regarding the I/T devices used to download and store materials. Since the contractors handling the materials were technically government employees, the received the all the classified materials related training and signed all the acknowledgements regarding the understanding of the law and punishment.


    • Dr.Jay says:

      Ah no. The memo clearly states that the FBI was not controlling or overseeing the entity for whom the contractors worked. By the wording and by the assumption that they should have overseen the outside entity it is clear that the outside entity is not a government entity, hence the contractors in question were not working for a government entity, but more likely some outsourcing partner.


      • Sherri Young says:

        Can somebody check the Booz Allen Hamilton contracts for that time period.

        (I need to leave now.)


      • thedoc00 says:

        You do understand the word contractor means they were hired by a government entity or an entity working for the government. That means they received clearances and there is a paper trail and that the technically were working for the government. Your comment makes zero sense.


  42. fakenamenumber776 says:

    At a minimum, this is a case of life imitating art. But as I pondered the meaning of a “secret research project,” I wondered if a certain TV show might have given Brennan (or whomever) the idea to do this. Fans of the show will remember its opening words:

    “You are being watched. The government has a secret system: a machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know, because I built it. I designed the machine to detect acts of terror, but it sees everything.”

    Fans will also remember that whenever ordinary worker bees had to be told about something the machine was predicting would happen, they were told the information was coming from “Research.”

    The FISA spying started in 2012? The show went on the air in late 2011. Weird.


  43. Sherri Young says:

    It is interesting that 2012 shows up here in what was marketed as a Trump-Russia scandal.

    Mueller started his 10-year term as FBI director in September of 2001. He was supposed to be termed out and gone forever from the FBI directorship in September of 2011. Special legislation had to be passed to make a one-time exception in order to give him a 2-year extension to September 4, 2013.

    Why? What was going on?

    Obama and Hillary, with the help of Victoria Nuland, John McCain, Susan Rice, and others were setting the Middle East on fire. That first clear sign was when Obama delivered his speech in Cairo in June 2009. He had a member of the Muslim Brotherhood parked on the front row.

    In December 2010, the better recognized events of the Arab Spring kicked off in Tunisia and spread from there.

    Mueller was reaffirmed for two more years on July 27, 2011. The protests in Syria that had started on March 15, 2011, ended on July 28, 2011 while the Arab Spring continued.

    Hillary and Chris Stevens ran guns out of Benghazi until he was allowed to die on September 11, 2012.

    By the time that Hillary left the State Dept, things were turning hot in Syria. John McCain was right there in the middle of it.

    IMO, the attempted destruction of MENA was probably planned and may have been the leading underlying reason why Hillary never used an official State Dept email address. Being “off the grid” put those communications out of reach of not just FOIA, but of any type of discovery within the State department. Remember that there was no Inspector General at the State Dept for the time that Hillary was there.

    The fact that the 2012 election occurred during Muller’s additional two years served its own purpose. Burning up MENA, pushing people into Europe, and leaving the oil and gas behind was a greater goal.

    That is what I am seeing. I wonder if George Papadopoulos would agree.


  44. Bogeyfree says:

    So what are the next steps?

    1) Clearly we need PT to declass and unredact the documents supporting Sundance’s 8 bullet points.

    2) We really could use the other MAGA media supporters such as Rush, Bongino, Hannity, Tucker, Carter and Soloman to pick up on this same narrative and run hard with it.

    3) How about getting with Tom Fitton at Judicial Watch and making sure he is fully on board AND Sundance and him work out a FOIA request strategy that might help zero in on and expose some of this weaponization and abuse.

    4) Would the RNC ever consider a commercial that speaks directly about the weaponizing of our IC?

    5) Finally, I really think it is imperative that Sundance connects directly with Don Jr, Mulvaney or PT himself. This web is so complex and Sundance could guide and help them all to laser in IMO.

    Liked by 2 people

    • BobR says:

      Come now. Clearly DOJ (Barr et al) and FBI (Wray)are stalling all indictments to get within the 2020 election window, near the end of 2019. When all can say they have to concentrate on the presidential election. Expect Barr/Wray to let us know new safeguards are in place.


  45. concerned3 says:

    Sundance states “FBI contractor access to the database on April 18, 2016 was blocked”. Has it occurred to anyone, why after years (2012-2016) of conducting this spying, not one contractor came forward to report it.

    Is this not reason enough to prevent all contractor usage in the future? In short, given the nature of the offense – fire them all.

    Reason: Lack of moral fortitude and the need to protect the process.

    I would also suggest eliminating/jailing all government supervision taking part in this spying.

    And, yes I called it spying since they were taking part in an illegal act. You don’t take orders when you know them to be wrong. Remember the 29 storm troopers from the FBI that when after the 66 year old politician. Lack of moral fortitude.


  46. Tom H says:

    Howie Carr, interviewing Joe D, both cited this and other articles about the FISA/702 corruption going back at least until 2012. Howie spreading the word!

    Liked by 1 person

  47. L. E. Joiner says:

    Joe DiGenova on the Howie Carr Show just characterized this post on the 702s as “Brilliant.”

    Congratulations, Sundance.

    Liked by 5 people

  48. concerned3 says:

    I want to bring this point into focus again.

    The NSA database is a computer just more complex than most but it is also a process. No process is better than the people who run it (i.e., contractor, government supervision, etc). Obama was part of the process that ran/controlled the NSA database.

    Given enough reason and the opportunity (lack of moral fortitude) you can never safe guard a process. One without error. The stakes are to high, this process should be shutdown today, right along with the FISA process. They have been trying to fix the FISA process since it started.

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  49. citizen817 says:

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  50. Sammy Hains says:

    Some things to keep in mind:

    0bama kept Robert Mueller on as FBI Director for 2 years past his legal limit. Congress capped an FBI Director’s term to 10 years in order to dampen POLITICAL CORRUPTION at the highest levels in the FBI after J. Edgar Hoover.

    Mueller was supposed to leave prior to the 2012 election. Instead, 0bama kept him on until after the 2012 election. Why was the 2012 election so significant?

    The behavior of the FBI agents involved in the 2015-2017 domestic political espionage scandal suggests that it was NOT their first rodeo.

    Perhaps they did this before, under the direction of Robert Mueller in 2012…? Hmmmmm.

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