65 Days and Counting…

On May 23rd, 2019, President Donald Trump gave U.S. Attorney General Bill Barr full authority to review and release all of the classified material hidden by the DOJ and FBI.

Sixty-five days ago….

It has been 65 days since President Trump empowered AG Bill Barr to release the original authorizing scope of the Mueller investigation on May 17, 2017. A Mueller investigation now being debated and testified to in congress, and yet we are not allowed to know what the authorizing scope was…. Nor the 2nd DOJ scope memo of August 2nd, 2017… Nor the 3rd DOJ scope memo of October 20th, 2017.

…Every minute spent outraged at what Muller did yesterday, is one minute less that Bill Barr is being held accountable for what he is not doing today…

♦ President Trump can prove the July 31st, 2016, Crossfire Hurricane counterintelligence operation originated from a scheme within the intelligence apparatus by exposing the preceding CIA operation that created the originating “Electronic Communication” memo. Declassify that two-page “EC” document that Brennan gave to Comey.  [The trail is found within the Weissmann report and the use of Alexander Downer – SEE HERE]

♦ Release and declassify all of the Comey memos that document the investigative steps taken by the FBI as an outcome of the operation coordinated by CIA Director John Brennan in early 2016.  [The trail was memorialized by James Comey – SEE HERE]

♦ Reveal the November 2015 through April 2016 FISA-702 search query abuse by declassifying the April 2017 court opinion written by FISC Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer. Show the FBI contractors behind the 85% fraudulent search queries. [Crowdstrike? Fusion-GPS? Nellie Ohr? Daniel Richman?]  This was a weaponized surveillance and domestic political spying operation. [The trail was laid down in specific detail by Judge Collyer – SEE HERE]

♦ Subpoena former DOJ-NSD (National Security Division) head John Carlin, or haul him in front of a grand jury, and get his testimony about why he hid the abuse from the FISA court in October 2016; why the DOJ-NSD rushed the Carter Page application to beat NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers to the FISA court; and why Carlin quit immediately thereafter.

♦ Prove the Carter Page FISA application (October 2016) was fraudulent and based on deceptions to the FISA Court. Declassify the entire document, and release the transcripts of those who signed the application(s); and/or depose those who have not yet testified. The creation of the Steele Dossier was the cover-up operation. [SEE HERE]

♦ Release all of the Lisa Page and Peter Strzok text messages without redactions. Let sunlight pour in on the actual conversation(s) that were taking place when Crossfire Hurricane (July ’16) and the FISA Application (Oct ’16) were taking place.  The current redactions were made by the people who weaponized the intelligence system for political surveillance and spy operation.  This is why Page and Strzok texts are redacted!

♦ Release all of Bruce Ohr 302’s, FBI notes from interviews and debriefing sessions, and other relevant documents associated with the interviews of Bruce Ohr and his internal communications. Including exculpatory evidence that Bruce Ohr may have shared with FBI Agent Joseph Pientka. [And get a deposition from this Pientka fella] Bruce Ohr is the courier, carrying information from those outside to those on the inside.

♦ Release the August 2nd, 2017, two-page scope memo provided by DAG Rod Rosenstein to special counsel Robert Mueller to advance the fraudulent Trump investigation, and initiate the more purposeful obstruction of justice investigation. Also Release the October 20th, 2017, second scope memo recently discovered.  The Scope Memos are keys to unlocking the underlying spy/surveillance cover-up. [SEE HERE and SEE HERE]

Please.

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238 Responses to 65 Days and Counting…

  1. lela says:

    Truth, Barr has been part of the bureaucrat[ Goverment] for many, many years. He’s been in the swamp and part of the swamp, nothing will change.

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    • L4grasshopper says:

      Is that why he told Mueller to wrap it up almost as soon as he took charge? If he were pure Swamp, he would have allowed Mueller’s activity to continue until the 2020 elections.

      Look: all of us are past frustrated that accountability activities have not yet become visible.

      But Barr may be making sure that all of his i’s are dotted and t’s crossed before he activates formal legal proceedings. And, in my opinion, he’s not going to start releasing anything he intends to use in legal proceedings until he’s ready to initiate legal proceedings.

      Yeah…our patience is worn thinner than an Adam Schiff brain cell…..but both legal process correctness, AND political timing, are part of the equation for this stuff.

      Your estimation of Barr might turn out to be accurate. But you conclusion at this point is time is extremely premature….and hopefully very wrong.

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      • lansdalechip says:

        In your next to last paragraph:
        How can our patience be worn thinner than something that does not exist?

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      • disgustedwithjulison says:

        We all hope Barr is actually doing things….but we touched that stove once before and are a little leary. Sessions was supposedly dotting i’s and crossing t’s along with Huber….instead, they were doing absolutely nothing and in place to drag things out past the statute of limitations. Barr has some work to do to show that he is up to the task of cleaning up intelligence and DOJ, and allowing us Americans to regain trust in those organizations for future generations to come.

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        • L4grasshopper says:

          Sessions was recused from doing anything. Those who kept saying he was “Stealth Jeff” were fooling themselves. Huber looks like something Sessions did to try to deflect attention on his own malfeasance. Maybe not. I guess we won’t know for sure until after stuff starts happening.

          Barr has a tremendously hard job to do. He’s sort of like the functional equivalent of a police department’s “internal affairs” office, which all police hate. Barr knows that there are still many big and powerful forces inside the Intel agencies and FBI and DOJ that do not want to be found, held accountable, and exposed. And they aren’t just sitting back and hoping he won’t look their way — many are actively trying to frustrate exposure.

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          • mac says:

            Telling me THREE times that “Stealth Jeff” was doing something useful has no more effect at convincing me of the argument’s validity than just once. My take is this: if Sessions WASN’T a traitor to the nation and a Judas to the man who appointed him, he did a damned good job of imitating one. He cost us two years, gave the House back to the ‘Rats and gave the crooks a lot more time to cover their tracks.

            I always thought the bastard who preceded PDJT left the country posthaste after the inauguration because he was very afraid he was soon going to see law enforcement at his door. He knew he and his cronies were guilty of sedition at best and treason at worst and that if they were caught, he would be looking at a long time in jail and going back to being the poor corrupt politician he was when he became Senator.

            May God bless this country such that we never have a worse POTUS than Trump’s predecessor. We might very well not survive it.

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        • alonzo1956 says:

          Let us also remember the previous IG reports that did nothing to bring the corruption to light.
          I too am weary of waiting for justice to be delivered to the traitors and like many others here, I am near the end of my patience.

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          • NC Patriot says:

            The PREVIOUS IG report did not deal with FISA. This one does. The wrongdoing should be clear.

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            • alonzo1956 says:

              Hillary’s emails weren’t a big deal? Comey’s handling of the situation was also a big deal and the wrongdoing was also very clear. We have been down this road before.

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          • Bill Hollinger says:

            Didn’t Horowitz have to give the first report to Mueller and Rosenstein to approve? I think they had the ability to delete, or even make changes. Does anyone know whether this was the case?

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            • steph_gray says:

              I don’t know about deletions or changes, but I’m pretty sure sundance himself made an excellent and very conclusive case that Rosenstein (if not Mueller) wrote the contradictory summary which was 180 degrees away from what the report actually said.

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        • vladdy says:

          Was thinking, don’t think I’ve ever read someone wanting action posting without a reply saying “They have to dot all the i’s and cross all the t’s” — it’s getting to be as much of a cliche as “get out the popcorn.” Maybe we can at least say “He has to be sure everything is kosher” and “get out the ice cream,” so we don’t keep hearing the same, overworked cliches while we’re frustrated with never seeing any action? (It’s starting to sound like one of those Limbaugh put-togethers, where one news person after another is saying “the walls are closing in.”)

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      • Paul Apostle says:

        Well said L4grasshopper
        The Dimm’s and most of the GOPe are looking for Barr to have one slip up so they can get him on recuse and throw the whole thing out. Pres Trump is not going to declass info that his DOJ is investigating. Don’t fall for the “Barr is not doing it on my timeline therefore it’s not on the up and up” crowd. If we are setting here in October/November and nothing is done, then expect Pres Trump to start calling it out. One thing I am frustrated at is the non-RussiaGate stuff that Barr seems to be silent on: ANTIFA being designated a domestic terrorist org, or the crimes against police, this should be addressed at the federal level.

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      • Paul Apostle says:

        One other thing relating to L4grasshopper, if this is the biggest scandal in US history, which it is, does 65 days seem like too long to be investigating and gathering evidence? Not hardly.

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        • That would be allright, if we hadn’t been through this “let’s give it another month or two” before, many times now. And if we couldn’t see Barr hamming it up with his buddies, all known coup plotters or abettors. The truth is in plain sight, and you won’t believe your lying eyes…

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        • All Too Much says:

          Not even close, even with everything known.
          Those things might be known, but making them admissible as evidence in a trial is who much bigger task than putting facts and timelines together.
          Doing that sort of task, getting a case lined up for trial, confirming your facts are correct and admissible, that word again, takes a ton of work. One slip and the whole thing is over.

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      • MostlyRight says:

        The concern is this has been going on since before the 2016 election, and now we are already in primary season for the 2020 election. If Trump loses, all goes down the memory hole. There is no more AG Barr.

        The timeline for release grows tighter and tighter, and the opposition has shown itself very adept at delay through the legislative and judicial branch as well as Deep State non-action and media protection.

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      • Cpdesert says:

        Agreed. Easy to become cynical at this point but I would think Barr wouldn’t show his cards at least until they were done with Mueller testimony. I still think Durham is going to deliver.

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      • Chimpy says:

        .”..thinner than an Adam Schiff brain cell…”

        LOL!

        I am SO using that one going forward.

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      • Pew-Anon says:

        @L4

        “…he’s not going to start releasing anything he intends to use in legal proceedings until he’s ready to initiate legal proceedings.”

        Why? Because something is in the public domain, that makes it inadmissible as evidence in court, regardless of whenever those legal proceedings are ready to be initiated? No, that line of reasoning doesn’t hold water. SD is right. There is no reason why this evidence should not be immediately declassified. Nunes wanted it declassified over two years ago. He is right as well.

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        • ristvan says:

          Lurking Lawyer here.
          Evidence inadmissibility is not the problem. The BIG legal problem a broad declass nowish presents is prejudicial pretrial publicity, an angle Sundance has perhaps not considered. See my longish explanatory comment just posted below.

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          • ann says:

            I don’t understand the posit that release of facts & primary source documents, which corrects narratives built on falsehoods & omissions , is equivalent to tainting juries.

            Not arguing the point, just saying it doesn’t connect in my (non lawyerly) mind.

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            • ristvan says:

              Ann, I explain more below. There is a large literature on prejudicial pretrial publicity. Is a classic appeal argument as to why a criminal conviction should be overturned.
              6A requires an impartial jury. A convicting jury exposed pretrial to lots of damning stuff, any lawyer will argue is NOT impartial. They teach this stuff in 1L criminal law and 2L rules of evidence.

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              • ann says:

                Ristvan, I scrolled down to find you.
                The legal arena still befuddles me, and I’ve been a staunch judicial watch member since old enough to vote,
                I value your input and esp your patience,

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            • All Too Much says:

              Its the publicity that is the problem, potential juror exposure to anything having to do with the case. For instance is bombshells came out of Comey, and it was all over the news for a period of time, every person exposed to the news and all the rest might become, or claim to be, bias as a result of what has been seen and argued.
              A potential upside is a change of venue. Now that fight would be worth watching
              Barr and Comey have different ideas of where they would want the case venue and tried, and the differences, for a criminal trial, can be enormous.

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              • ann says:

                To draw a parallel : the practice of medicine is far different than theory.
                Thanks all too much.
                The grounding in real life greatly clarifies what to me is abstract.

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        • All Too Much says:

          “Because something is in the public domain, that makes it inadmissible as evidence in court…?”

          Being in the public domain has just about zero to do with admissibility.
          There is a lot known, in the public domain, but creating evidentiary foundations for that, and other information, making it admissible in court, as evidence in a trial, is, in a large r very large case(s) takes time and a ton of work by a lot of people. If DOJ/Barr does one thing wrong, everybody could walk.

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      • The Devilbat says:

        Lela does have a point. Check out Barr’s past. It is not at all pretty. Maybe he has changed? Maybe he has not.

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      • dougofthenorth says:

        To my way of thinking this demonstrates the “conservative paradox”. Here we have a multitude of serious and widely known crimes committed by an ideological cast of characters who are intent on the overthrow of a duly elected president and we the clear headed citizens are waiting for the “system” to work.
        The system is clearly rigged and broken and we all know it.
        There are no i’s to dot or t’s to cross that haven’t already been done in many of these cases, yet no consequences or even arrests! I have said it before, this is just another Kennedy assassination in broad daylight who’s facts, while widely known, will never see the sting of justice. And in so doing, we march lock step with these criminals as enablers. Which means it will only get worse. Every parent knows the consequences of lax discipline enforcement.
        Even the President seems hog tied in the scheme by our common enemy with his non answer to the question from Hannity about why he passed off the document declassified release to the AG.

        Our Great country is why I care, and our President has done so much good, but the real work on the most fundamental foundational pillars this nation stands on has not even begun. And he is our best hope! Justice for all must be restored! That is going to take an even more audacious action on the part of the president than anything he has done to this point.
        Just my opinion.

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        • Raptors2020 says:

          None of them seem to fear legal consequences (Hillary? Comey? McCabe? etc): they’re all writing books and going on brazen book tours. Yet they all seem to fear exposure of the actual facts; they redact, they destroy, they shred, they bleach-bit. And the widespread arrests we crave might spark a revolt in the DOJ, FBI and other bureaucracies. Perhaps the revelation of objective truth is the most we can hope for?

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      • DeWalt says:

        I remember arguing that same thing about Sessions. My bad. Once bitten twice shy. Honor in Washington DC is measured by thimbles.

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      • Betty says:

        “But Barr may be making sure that all of his i’s are dotted and t’s crossed before he activates formal legal proceedings. And, in my opinion, he’s not going to start releasing anything he intends to use in legal proceedings until he’s ready to initiate legal proceedings.”

        I’ll bet if we searched back in 2017 we could find the same sentence and the only change would be “But Sessions. . . “

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    • Betty says:

      “… nothing will change.” —- WE ARE NOT HELPLESS —-

      There are still six States in this Republic where the people have power. If we started a movement in each of those States to empanel and charge our own Grand Juries. A whole lot of stuff will start shaking loose.

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      • KnowSERENoFear says:

        Can you please identify these 6 States?

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      • James Carpenter says:

        And after one of those States issues an indictment…
        Who physically makes the arrest at 3AM supported by full SWAT?
        Where do they perp walk the accused to?

        Our betters are laughing down at us from the high tower. The tower our tax dollars built, maintain and insulate political criminals from any real consequences found in a court room.
        Perhaps it must come to a pass where justice is achieved through “other means”?

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    • Betty says:

      Second attempt to post this comment .

      “… nothing will change.” —- WE ARE NOT HELPLESS —-

      There are still six States in this Republic where the people have power. If we started a movement in each of those States to empanel and charge our own Grand Juries. A whole lot of stuff will start shaking loose.

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    • Dutchman says:

      Truth, there is no practical, doable way DJT is going to get anyone in the AG position who is or has not been a member of the buerocracy and swamp for many years.
      Starting by accepting that fundamental truth, you then either take the path of “given that, nothing is going to change”
      Or, “given that, get the best you can; instead of someone like Rosie, someone who DOES believe in “the rule of law”, and the aspirational concept of Justice, and hope for the best.

      Better half a glass of water, than none to a man dieing of thirst.

      IF the election goes the way I expect, I imagine Wray will be gone on Nov.10.
      I don’t EXPECT to see any significant release of info, before the election.
      After,…?

      For me, personally I feel less urgency to see these documents released. But, thats me.

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      • Cpdesert says:

        I agree, who cares about release of the docs when the leftists won’t acknowledge the truth anyway? Nothing would change, it would all be buried by the media. The ONLY thing that matters now is what Durham is doing in my opinion and the resultant prosecutions which have to happen, or we are doomed.

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        • ezpz2 says:

          I don’t think any consideration should be given to how the left will react when it comes to doing what needs to be done – in this case: declassification.

          Doing the right thing in the name of justice should not be contingent on anyone’s reaction or refusal to accept truth.

          It’s like giving in to a child having a temper tantrum. What lesson does the child carry away? That screaming and kicking will get them their desired result.

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          • Cpdesert says:

            I’m all for declass, it just doesn’t accomplish anything. We already know the corruption the took place, the declass tells us what we already know and it won’t phase the non- believers on the left. Prosecuting the perpetrators is the only thing that will restore law and order.

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      • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

        Why wait ’til after election to fire Wray? Neither did I understand why the same delay was made for Sessions

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      • Linda K. says:

        I suppose from Barr’s point of view, alot of these deep state players have been fired and are no longer able to do damage.

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    • Pale rider says:

      https://quodverum.com/2019/07/205/truth-is-a-force-of-nature.html
      This may be something to consider, I’m not real hopeful but things are definitely moving.

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  2. johneb18 says:

    Could the dam start to break open with the removal of Coats and installation of Ratcliffe, who can rattle Wray to get info moving?

    Nunes to get docs from Barr.

    Could be happening soon…

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    • Marygrace Powers says:

      House leaves for six-week August recess | TheHill
      https://thehill.com/homenews/house/454817-house-leaves-for-six-week-august-recess
      3 days ago – House leaves for six-week August recess …. they’ll have only a few weeks to pass legislation to avoid a government shutdown on Oct. 1.

      Above would be the perfect oppor-
      tune moment to open the floodgates.

      “FIAT JUSTITIA RUAT CAELUM”

      “Let justice be done though the heavens fall.”

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    • The Boss says:

      Around five days ago, a classified document scheduled for declassification on December 31, 2041 was released with what looks like fewer redactions than the Mueller/Weissman fictional novel. The document was prepared by Clapper, who signed it on 12/16/2016. It was approved by Loretta Lynch on 1/3/2017 (2 days before the ‘by the book’ meeting obama held with his stooges). So, the document owner is the ODNI, currently run by Dan Coats.

      Briefly, the document allowed the NSA to share raw ‘signals intelligence’ with a much wider audience than ever before. Think bug-eyed Evelyn Farkas for one. There are requirements for the wider audience to meet before they’re given access to raw SIGINT, but those requirements can be over-ridden very easily (See p 19, Paragraph (D) – Departures).

      This said one has to ask a few questions. Hopefully they/re “the right f***ing questions”.

      Why was THIS document released in the first place?
      Why was it released just before the Mueller shit show?
      Did Barr exercise his authority in this instance?
      Who would be worried about this information being made public?
      Is this document irrelevant to the IG?
      Is this document irrelevant to USA Durham?

      I’ve read this document once, and am heading back for another go at it. I’ll bet I get more questions.

      Anybody else dug into this besides our site host (whom I assume is studying it better than we can).

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      • johneb18 says:

        I have this doc. And we knew of its result of sharing SIGINT amongst ALL of the Agencies prior to this.

        Was a seditious move by 0bama to do this, as it opened up an exponentially larger chance of one agency or another or anti-Trumper within it to be leaking info. We KNEW about this back in the day, but just got released through Coats office.

        I’ve always found it terribly difficult to figure out some of these people’s motives for how/when they decide to leak or declassify something.

        But this one might be to sort of give an overarching “0bama fomented this” narrative.

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    • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

      Don’t expect any help from the FBI. Corrupt, politicized, rotten to the core. And has been for many years.

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  3. Diana Allocco says:

    Trump’s explicit and repeated positive assessment of Barr is good enough for me.

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    • ParteaGirl says:

      I agree. Trump has, and will, tell us exactly what he thinks.

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      • MVW says:

        “Trump’s explicit and repeated positive assessment of Barr is good enough for me.”
        &
        “I agree. Trump has, and will, tell us exactly what he thinks.”

        Both are my sentiment. However, I still believe that Podesta, the only one sober that night, made a deal with Trump (for the drunken witch, Hillary) to not tie up the 2016 election result in exchange for not pursuing her & the Obama administration’s criminality. Likely a good deal except for the insurance policy which I doubt Trump anticipated.

        Notice it was the ‘Green Party’ that made the election challenges, not the slimy Dems.

        Yeah, these traitors deserve the stockade, and public hanging, but we have Trump.

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        • vladdy says:

          Seems the dims have done an exemplary job of “tying up the election” by fostering the organized “resistance” movement with street troops led by the MSM, the intel celebs, and big tech for the past few years If that deal was to “not tie things up” um….Podesta owes somebody an explanation big time. HRC HERSELF has gone around the country giving speeches about PDT’s “illegitimacy” — so she, et al, didn’t get prosecuted so that PDT could smoothly run his administration, but she and her associates can throw any obstacle they want in his way including constant threats of impeachment and prison? That was one hell of a deal. Next time, get it in writing.

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    • ezpz2 says:

      It’s also been the kiss of death at times, metaphorically speaking.

      We’ve seen POTUS give high praise to someone, and then that person was out.

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    • gingergal says:

      From what I remember, it took him awhile to criticize Sessions.

      I believe Barr is working, but it will be disappointing when he is finished.

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    • Also, Ratcliff today was very complimentary of Barr. I think the criticism of Barr is premature. I have confidence in Ratcliff and Trump.

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    • I am also heartened by the fact that Sidney Powell asked for 90 days to read and look into all the documents pertinent to the Flynn case, even though she was familiar with everything that was going on. Comparatively, I think 90 days to look into and investigate this hot mess with it’s myriad of tentacles would be VERY quick. I’ll hold my fire for now.

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    • TPW says:

      Does President Trump really think he is a great guy or is he letting him know he expects him to be a good guy?

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  4. JoeMeek says:

    The Mother Of All Coverups requires the Mother Of All Hang Outs.

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  5. bulwarker says:

    Presently, it’s wait for the IG report. Next it will be wait for Durham. After that, it will be wait until after re-election. I’m tired of waiting.

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    • dilonsfo says:

      You better take a nap ’cause it looks like we gonna be waiting for a while yet. Personally, I don’t have that much more time left on this earth unless the Good Lord keeps me past the insurance death age rate.

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      • Jim in TN says:

        Good news.

        According to insurance tables, every year you live, your life expectancy increases. It is always older than you are. It was younger the year before because of all the people who weren’t going to make it through that last year. But you did.

        Put it this way. There may only be a handful of people who make it to 100 years old, but once they do, none of them can have a life expectancy less than 100 years old.

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        • dilonsfo says:

          Thanks for the info. I feel so much better that I think I will go putz around in the garden. I had no idea that was how that worked. Thanks again.

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    • MustangBlues says:

      Wisdom of the Perpetually Depressed:

      ”’Presently, it’s wait for the IG report. Next it will be wait for Durham. After that, it will be wait until after re-election. I’m tired of waiting.”

      And then, it will be ‘waiting for you to do something’;

      that will teach them something good.

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    • L4grasshopper says:

      Terrible analysis.

      It was necessary to wait until the Mueller activity was finished and buried, in order to avoid feeding the “obstruction!” beast. The burial just took place last week 🙂

      Legal proceedings, logically, may be waiting for the IG Report to finish. Especially to avoid tainting any prosecution.

      Yeah…you’re tired of waiting. Poor baby….we all are 🙂

      But if you’ve learned anything at all about Donald J Trump, it’s that he will use a weapon if the weapon is available — and for the 2020 election, exposure of the coup attempt against him between 2016 and 2019 will be a huge wind behind his re-election sails.

      If I’m wrong….then I’m also wrong about President Trump — in which case: “At this point, what difference does it make?”

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      • Jim in TN says:

        Technically, IG investigations can taint prosecutions. IGs are given power to compel testimony from government employees. That can run afoul of their constitutional right to remain silent.

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        • mimbler says:

          You may be right, but I view it differently. IG can compell testimony from government employees. But, they can exercise their contitutional right to remain silent by resigning.

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        • California Joe says:

          Most OIG investigations are criminal and directed by an Assistant US Attorney using federal grand jury subpoenas. Each year thousands of government and non-government criminals are arrested by IG agents working for federal prosecutors! These types of investigations directed by a bureaucrat like Horowitz are very few and far between!:

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      • Chimpy says:

        L4’s last sentence is extremely on point: If PDJT is screwing this up and he allows Barr to keep the Swamp gates closed… well, what difference does it make?

        In PDJT I trust.

        It’s our only chance.

        That being said: Sundance and anyone out there with an audience need to beat the drum on this issue! 65 days. We are waiting, Mr. Barr., Mr. Durham and, most of all, President Trump.

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    • vegas guy says:

      It is all wishful thinking that we the people will ever get all the facts,,,,Just not going to happen. POTUS may have a game plan or Barr may just have pulled the wool over Trump’s eyes. Time will tell & rest assured that time is what we have,,,,& lots of it where nothing will surface…. it’s the strategy…POTUS knows & I am confident POTUS is & will be concentrating on issues more important to us.

      Accept it & move along & get on with your lives which are way too short to stress over the D,C. Swamp. Trump desires to drain it but as you all can see…He isn’t getting any assistance at all. Be thankful for the Border Security advancements he was able to accomplish. In the long run & in the bigger scheme that will have the more favorable impact on our futures . Trump knows that to accomplish even a portion of what he desires to complete he must be re-elected & be given the time to finish his work. 4 0r 8 years is really not a long time when dealing with D.C. Swamp issues.

      The “Criminals” that appear to have gotten away have had their thunder diminished & their ugly heads probably won’t rise again other than Tweets or as pundits on MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC& the likes where we can all get a laugh at their unrelenting B.S.

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      • Chip Doctor says:

        Vegas guy, not only has President Trump not gotten any help from anyone on anything, he has had a coordinated effort working against him on everything. Yet, he has accomplished so much. It took three years to get money to build the wall. It has taken three years to get Guatemala and Mexico to help him because Congress wouldn’t. It took three years for him to set China up. Nothing happens fast in Washington. This was the intent of the founders thus preventing lurching back and forth every couple of years.

        President Trump promised to drain the swamp. Look at how many swamp creatures have been removed. President Trump delivers on his promises. Every few days he tweets that “this must never happen again to our country”. This is as good as an “I promise” to me.

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    • Tolerance4 says:

      Hang in there. Barr is seeking criminal prosecutions. When performing a criminal investigation, you don’t tip your hand and show all your cards to the criminal, so he can dodge prosecution.

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  6. Fools Gold says:

    If there is no justice we do not have not have a great country.

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  7. dwpender says:

    Surely someone close to POTUS has studied Sundance’s superb research regularly and in detail. Don Jr.? Kimberly? Steven Miller? Somebody get the message to POTUS that keeping us in the dark must stop.

    Apart from our RIGHT to know, public disclosure will allow outsiders — like Sundance — to discover shenanigans that even Durham’s team will never figure out.

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    • Perot Conservative says:

      And taint a grand jury and prosecutions?

      Legal types here have rightly mentioned the best defense lawyers in the world will look for any sliver to eviscerate a prosecution. See below.

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    • Bill Hollinger says:

      I saw what was by far the best, most complete description and sequence of events leading to and comprising the coup attempt on OAN (One America News). At the end the credit was shown. It was the Conservative Treehouse. People understand this is the single best site for information on the web.

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  8. Pa Hermit says:

    I may be wrong, but AG Barr appears to be pulling a Trey Gowdy move! Lots of hype at the start, but nothing except protecting the swamp later!

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  9. stella says:

    Why blame AG Barr, and not blame Trump? President Trump could release the documents himself. What am I missing here?

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    • L4grasshopper says:

      You are missing nothing. If Barr is stonewalling, Trump would know. And Trump would let everyone know.

      In the complete absence of even a hint of concern from Trump about Barr, why would anyone think that Barr and Trump don’t have an overall plan for how to proceed now that the Mueller sword of Damocles has been removed?

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      • Jim in TN says:

        Barr and Trump are not supposed to coordinate. And it looks like Trump has put it all in Barr’s hands.

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        • L4grasshopper says:

          Barr is subordinate to Trump. How and why should they not coordinate?

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          • Chimpy says:

            Barr and the DOJ, despite the obvious fact that they report into the Executive branch at the highest level, are SUPPOSED to act apolitically. That is, without interference or without political pressure from the Executive branch.

            Maintaining this balance is difficult, but important. When the AG announces and becomes the President’s “wingman”, the media and the Left will jump all over this… (/sarc)

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    • gingergal says:

      You raise a good point.

      A year or two ago I would have said because Trump has to be careful while he is under investigation by Mueller. Now with the Mueller report behind him, he has nothing to lose.

      So I say he might just want to wait and hang this corruption albatross around the Dem’s neck right before the election.

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      • Paul Apostle says:

        This is not something to rush. So many Gov officials involved, so many angles to investigate. We trust Pres Trump and him only. He is not going to allow this to go by the wayside.

        I personally want to see a hawk go for the jugular, but that is not the right way to run the DOJ

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    • ltravisjr says:

      I wondered the same, especially after PT evaded it in the Hannity interview. Maybe declass would truly put us in grave peril. Or maybe we have been burned so often in the past that it’s hard to be patient anymore.

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    • ann says:

      My nonlegal perspective,

      This denial of transparency seemed to revolve around tainting prosecutions, potentially ruining any chance of convictions
      That is, if trials, were to be conducted in federal courts.

      The chain of command implicated in Secret Society coupstering are, to my understanding, limited to civilians.

      I too don’t quite follow why we continue to post civilians in these critical positions since this has clearly empowered a intraorganizational cadre which is immune to punishment.

      As a collective of privledged peers, this refusal of transparency permits each to plead plausible deniability , a tactic which enhances individual and group self interest and preserves institutional power.
      The collision is that we have a compelling history of repeated violations of authority, miscarriage of justice , subvert law and a conspiracy to engage in acts of treason.

      If we will not admit, nor punish, we clearly cannot deter nor do citizens control our own country. Those governing will not even pretend to respect citizens or be constrained or limited.

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    • sundance says:

      What am I missing here?

      The office of the presidency.

      It is not a person, it is an administrative organization.

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      • James Carpenter says:

        Bernie Goetz was a one-man administrative organization.
        The Montana Vigilantes had many people, was organized.
        San Francisco once relied on a Vigilance Committee (more than once, actually)
        In a modern vein, the internet has its 1 ANONYMOUS.
        Davao Death Squads tended towards the “extra-judicial” as they cleared their cmmunity of drug traffickers.

        Point being, Orwell’s 1984 was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual.
        And global history is littered with DIY applications of justice following realization that there ain’t no calvary coming to the rescue.

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  10. ezpz2 says:

    Thank you, Sundance, for pointing out the obvious again and again.

    No spin. Just facts.

    Hopefully, it is being seen and heard and HEEDED by those who have the power to act. 🙏🏼🙏🏼

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  11. “The truth has no agenda”

    But ALL of the people involved do.

    My only glimmer of hope is that President Trump is not calling Barr out …….yet?

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  12. Kleen says:

    Well, looks like we can have hope again:
    Things are happening
    Solomon said last Friday on Hannity radio show that Dan Coats was about to be replaced. And:

    NEW: President Trump to Nominate Rep. John Ratcliffe to Replace Deep State DNI Chief Dan Coats: REPORT

    Then you have more people coming forward to turn against the swamp:

    https://saraacarter.com/russia-probe-twist-a-billion-dollar-ceo-a-convicted-russian-agent-and-the-fbi/

    Solomon also said we should start seeing grand jury activities soon and expects the release of some declassified info soon.

    Video is up on You Tube Friday Hannity radio show

    Trump’s timing: CONgress’ summer recess

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    • Perot Conservative says:

      George PapaD also said on Fox News two months ago – which no one has mentioned – that he already appeared before a grand jury.

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    • dwpender says:

      Solomon also gave Hannity “breaking news” the week before Memorial Day that the first batch of declassifications would be out in 5-7 days.

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      • LULU says:

        Solomon is a reporter. He reports news. He has no control over the events he reports.

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        • GB Bari says:

          He DOES have control over his checking into the veracity of his sources, especially when the stories they give him turn out to be false. Where is his followup to explain to his readers / viewers why his breaking news prediction of declassified docs never happened?

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  13. calbear84 says:

    “Drain the Ocean” might be a more appropriate goal given the magnitude of corruption in D.C. In times of frustration, we can always count our blessings that a certain broom-riding soulless female type person is not currently residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. We can also be massively grateful that we have a VSG who fully comprehends the level of evil that is going on. Personally, I believe the timing of the release of the damning info listed by Sundance will happen as it should for maximum political impact heading in to 2020. Why? Because I trust The Donald, and I trust Barr (so far). Here’s to building the KAG Party with a 2020 blowout of Corruptocrats and America haters! Here’s to justice for the seditious conspirators.

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  14. Comrade Terry says:

    This Barr fellow is beginning to remind me of his predecessor.

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    • L4grasshopper says:

      Which Trump tweet makes you think that?

      Oh…there has been no Trump indication of dissatisfaction with Barr? Like he told us early and often with Sessions?

      Take a big

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      • Blister Bill says:

        The tweet telling the fat fark bag blower to release the docs to Nunes. The only reason he would have done that is because at least Nunes would get the information out to the people. Barr ain’t doing crap

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    • James Carpenter says:

      Me too. Not least because I was patient. And hopeful. And trusting.

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  15. Guyski says:

    Is it a timing issue?

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    • Perot Conservative says:

      I believe CTH Lurking lawyer Ristivan says widespread release of documents will taint a grand jury, and / or a prosecution when the best defense lawyers in the world step to the plate.

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  16. Civil Rants says:

    It’s my hope and expectation that the reason for the delay in releasing all these documents is so they don’t derail investigations into the soft coup attempt. It remains to be seen.

    I will say that based on everything I’ve seen from Barr, he really does want to get to the truth about the misconduct (and possible treason). And he seems to have been supporting Trump quite strongly.

    I sure wish we’d had Barr instead of Sessions from the beginning.

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  17. litlbit2 says:

    Thanks Sundance for determination, God Bless you. As I continue to write, call, donate! Anyone answering the call?

    The frustrations with all these great honest people, Barr included, not only control the corruption in the USA. But is now exposed since President Donald Trump and includes foreign Governments, Heads of State and many corporations.

    IMHO, any investigation into this Brothel of evil that has taken this long, cost millions in taxpayer funds, consumed so many into devouring their family name cannot, is not, effective, efficient, trustworthy, or American.

    I’m sad to say Obama/Sessions/Bush/Barr/Mueller/Cummings/Pelosi/Schumer/McConnell make the end a little long in the tooth for any true justice for the Forgotten Man.

    Yes, I know, heard it, patience! So we wait but do not forget to send in the taxes, the crooks just might be forced to live like us. 2020 make it MASSIVE

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  18. Perot Conservative says:

    VTH Lurking Lawyer Ristivan, I believe, says release if these documents would taint a Grand Jury and / or prosecutions. (PA John Dunham.)

    Am I correct?

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  19. TwoLaine says:

    I have to ask myself, “Why would Barr want to protect Mueller?”

    He was willing to fight for Mueller not going before Congress when we have every right to question him whether he likes it or not.

    He perpetuated a fraud on the American people for over two years to the tune of at least $40 MILLION with an M, and he took big bucks for doing it.

    He perpetuated and covered up fraud, during this sham investigation and at other times with other administrations.

    WHY?

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    • VegasGuy says:

      I don’t disagree. But I do add that this “Witch Hunt” did come to a grinding halt once Barr was confirmed * in place … especially once he hinted during his confirmation hearing that he was “inquisitive” regarding the origins of this entire fiasco.

      Granted that Barr, at times, does appear to “protect” Mueller, he has put forth many indicators that are contrary to Mueller’s position, & he has many of the Dems condemning him…That alone tells me that he is hitting them where they hurt more than he might be giving them cover.

      Again, time will tell where Barr truly stands but as a poster upthread said, Trump is, in essence, allowing Barr to pace himself which, IMHO, says Trump has a game plan….

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      • Chip Doctor says:

        As despicable as Mueller is, he is not the big fish. He was a useful tool of Weismann, RR, McCabe and company. I would rather have Weismann’s scalp than Mueller’s.

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    • Pale rider says:

      Twolaine, IMO Barr would basically be protecting his own livelihood. They all eat from the same trough. But hey, all pigs must eat, right?

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      • steph_gray says:

        Oh please! Barr came out of a comfortable retirement voluntarily and presumably could just as easily go back to it.

        He is not doing this for a paycheck, whatever else may be at play.

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  20. Ryan says:

    Hannity said Friday on his radio show that info will start coming out this week.
    Ratcliffe today: https://youtu.be/M1iEbiqYtNU

    I think it’s going to be OK

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  21. trialbytruth says:

    Sundance is it possible that in those origin documents are some wild and false charges that have not been countered yet.

    If so release could reignite the whole charade and be counter productive to both the MAGA movement and justice.

    The other non corrupt possibility is that many innocents are named and release would violate their rights

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    • sundance says:

      The Mueller investigation is over.

      No-one is investigating the Mueller investigation.

      The Scope Memos are being hidden to protect Rod Rosenstein.

      Barr is protecting Rosenstein.

      Rosenstein facilitated the coup.

      See the very next article and Rosensteins connection to the Papadopoulos sting.

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      • lolli says:

        Thank you Sundance!

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      • JoeMeek says:

        One would think that Rosenstein is some kind of religious icon.

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      • ivehadit says:

        Ugh. Reading this, Sundance, makes me growl. This is getting past the point of ridiculousness. I don’t know what it will take to get our judicial system’s attention to understand the determination and depth of commitment of We the People on this issue. I have never done this before but am fully prepared now to march on Washington if necessary along with whomever will join me in my community. I am a direct descendant of a U.S. President and I cannot sit by and let a group of men and women in a previous administration try to oust a duly elected presidential candidate and then president. Then cover the whole thing up. Utterly insulting and UNACCEPTABLE. If the coup plotters are not held to account to the fullest extent of the law and therefore deterred from doing this again in the future, we will have lost our country and I WILL NOT STAND FOR THAT nor will many in my community. This will have been but a trial run for the violators who will only hone in their coup skills from this attempt for the next transition of power for the presidency. Again, UNACCEPTABLE and WE WILL NOT LET THIS STAND.

        As I have said before, as far as I am concerned, we need to start parallel departments now and then shut down the FBI AND THE DOJ and probably the CIA and start over. That is how serious this all is.

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        • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

          Unless we march with guns, then no one will know or care. As far as the MSM was concerned it would be like it never happened.

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      • Terry says:

        Well sundance John Ratcliffe is replacing Dan Coates!!!!!!!!!

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      • Bogeyfree says:

        What is the connection and reason for Barr to protect Rosenstein unless you mean it’s really to protect the institution?

        I’m with you, the upcoming 2020 hard stop, primary deadline window is fast approaching and hopefully at a PT rally soon we might hear the people chanting “Declass Now” if nothing comes out soon.

        IMO PT needs to hear the people’s frustration.

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      • peace says:

        @Sundance: Please help me understand WHY Barr is protecting Rosenstein. Should Barr be removed/fired? Perhaps he should be asked for his resignation???

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        • Blister Bill says:

          I’ve understood that PDJT has been in a Mexican standoff with ‘his’ own executive branch since he was sworn in. I’ve just recently figured out that he’s not making any of his own personnel picks, either.(the Barr pick made that pretty clear) Only a rino like Pence,Graham or McScrotum could be making such disastrous picks. Whatever’s going on is not good

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      • Raised on Reagan says:

        Maybe Rosenstein has flipped on implicating Obama?

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      • Lactantius says:

        Here is what is happening. The Inspector General is being inundated with flocks of people rushing back to him to “rework” what they said previously. That is the first phase of what rats do when they see the ship is actually sinking.

        The Inspector General is up to his eyebrows in “re-interviewing” and “re-organizing” the report as more and more important stuff is uncovered and the atmosphere of suspicion and innuendo is suffocating. (Even if the I. G. wrote a shaky or lousy report, he is back-peddling in order to catch up with current understandings. I don’t think that is the case. He sure isn’t watering it down.)

        Meanwhile, Attorney General William Barr is holding his fire as the momentum for the rats to spill the beans increases. They are not even bothering to cut deals. They have vices on the tender parts and and as a consequence, they are being flooded with “cooperation” and productive “tips.”

        Understand that it is in the better interests of President Donald J. Trump to “October Surprise” the DemonizingRats than it is to put this all out there now. The American public has the attention span of a fruit fly. Right around the time of the Democratic Convention would be the ideal time to rip the bandage off this sucker.

        No one here is better situated than President Donald J. Trump to know whether he should trust A. G. Barr. Let’s think about trust. Trust is the belief that the right man is doing the right things. President Donald J. Trump has to trust Attorney General Barr. Clearly, President Donald J. Trump has gotten his ducks in a row. FBI Director Wray is a small fish in all of this. We can wait for his head to roll until after the big battle has been won. Attorney General Barr can wait to send the bad actors off to Guam until after the big battle is finished.

        Too many people have visions of a battle site strewn with corpses. The best parallel is the Nuremberg Trials and subsequent war crime trials. They went after the core of the crimes against humanity and left the smaller fry to straighten up and fly right lest they elevate themselves to judicial notice.

        We are currently experiencing the lull before the storm.

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      • lemmus1 says:

        With all due respect SD, you’ve made some unsupported assumptions:
        1) No-one is investigating the Mueller investigation?
        That’s a very direct negative statement for which, in my opinion, significant contrary evidence exists. There are several ongoing legal matters where the Mueller investigation itself is being challenged with some success. No one knows for certain what other matters may be being investigated in the background. You are asserting a negative without evidence. For instance:
        – The Flynn prosecution is being challenged in open court with prosecutorial misconduct a not-improbable result …one which would lead inevitably to an investigation of the entire investigation.
        – The Russian 12 matter is in open court as well with a (so far) viable challenge to the very heart of the Mueller investigation …is there any actual evidence extant of a massive Russian government-led attempt to interfere? …if not, that blows Mueller’s credibility right down the drain …and would inevitably lead to investigating the investigation.
        – The Seth Rich/DNC Server breach has been reinvigorated …should it prove true, it would again put the Mueller investigation under the public microscope

        2) The Scope Memos are being hidden to protect Rod Rosenstein?
        Here you are assigning a motive to Barr’s action/inaction to date but present no supporting evidence. There are several possible reasons for Barr temporarily suppressing the memos which do not include protecting Rosenstein as a primary motive.

        3) Barr is protecting Rosenstein?
        See 2 above, eh.

        In the final analysis, it comes down to something very simple. Frequently, when someone here questions Barr’s integrity and motivation, I pull out the original memo he wrote regarding the Special Counsel investigation and reread it. It restores my faith in Barr as a man who, above all else, intends to protect the Office of the President, it’s constitutional authority and prerogatives – against all comers.

        Again SD, I highly respect your opinions and investigatory skills but reserve the right to question such when you’ve inadvertently slipped into NYT editorial mode …as I think you’ve done here.
        lemmus

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      • Peppurr says:

        Thank you Sundance. So here we go again? It appears Barr is swamp wanting to protect the institutions regardless of the cost.. Prior to Barr’s appointment as AG, there was a poster here who very convincingly laid out Barr’s past involvement with Ruby Ridge. This has been in the back of my mind ever since. And now this. sigh

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    • trialbytruth says:

      One other thought comes to mind. Many Rs will be implicated in the big ugly. It is possible Trump wants to wait for after this cycle to release to prevent the lose of GOPe seats.

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    • trialbytruth says:

      One other thought comes to mind. Many Rs will be implicated in the big ugly. It is possible Trump wants to wait for after this cycle to release to prevent the lose of GOPe seats.

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  22. Rex says:

    ‘Tis amazing, this saga we are witnessing.

    Time and again. We have seen major players with the means to confront evil and right great wrongs turn their back on the country they swore to serve.

    I have been contemplating the fate of Sodom. It was destroyed when ten righteous men could not be found amongst its residents.

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    • Pale rider says:

      All this is diversion. Why, cause it never accomplishes anything. When we see results then it’s real. Now, what is actually going on while they dance?

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    • vladdy says:

      I’ve figured it out. The real DOJ is JudicialWatch, and Tom Fitton is actually the AG. Recently, I saw he had just made CA purge 1.5 million illegal/dead/fake voters from their rolls. Now isn’t that what you’d expect of the DOJ, when instead, we get…silence? With the same crooked souls like RR at DOJ and Wray at the “FBI” (they still call themselves that) living off our tax money?

      Anyway, on the same search page (DDG), lots of other JW stories with amazing feats. Everytime something is released or progress made against evil, it’s JW doing it. Why the hell they aren’t getting the tax money and credit for it is beyond me.

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  23. De Oppresso Liber says:

    Joe DiGenova said on Lou Dobbs’ program last week, that the delay in the IG report was due to U.S. Attorney Durham’s investigation. Evidently, numerous persons have contacted Horowitz and requested to “clarify their statements,” or they have “suddenly recalled some information” that they had forgotten, or they “have learned some new information” previously unknown to them, and several have requested to be re-interviewed.

    DiGenova also stated that BOTH Durham and Horowitz have interviewed Christopher Steele. This all sounds like fantastic news, to me, and combined with the Uniparty’s obvious utter desperation and PANIC, as well as President Trump’s public statements promising justice, it finally gives me some hope that it’s actually going to happen soon. Ultimately, I simply have to trust President Trump – he’s certainly no idiot, and he fully recognizes how damaging inaction would be to his reelection.

    I have always prided myself as having the patience of an oyster, but I’m more than frustrated and past ready for justice to be served upon the guilty, wicked, and EVIL.

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  24. SKIDROE says:

    Now that he is getting rid of Coats, Wray should be next. Can’t wait to see him gone.

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  25. Vicki B says:

    I always post on twitter….flood twitter and it will be seen by someone who may relay the info to POTUS

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  26. 335blues says:

    I personally am not on the receiving end of the despicable abuse that Trump is receiving
    from the communist democrat party.
    That does not mean I do not have standing in the prosecution of the attempted coup
    to demand that the details be released.
    Our Constitution gives me standing.
    Our Bill of Rights gives me standing.
    America’s place in history as the only Constitutional Republic with unalienable rights
    in the history of mankind gives me standing.
    Assholes in our federal government may laugh at my claim, but I’m dead serious.
    If the truth about this coup attempt from within our government is not released, and
    the perpetrators prosecuted, I and millions like me will NEVER put this down.
    HISTORY WILL RECORD THAT BARR WAS PART OF THE COUP BECAUSE
    OF HIS COVERUP.
    EVEN TRUMP WILL BE SEEN AS PART OF THE COUP BY COVERING THIS UP.
    We will not let this die. And someday, things might be different.

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    • Pale rider says:

      You have very valid points but, we will not have a country if this does not get legal prosecutions and people relieved of their freedoms who are in our government.
      Actually no, vigilante justice actually would work also but, I can’t advocate that.

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  27. Chuck Arnold says:

    You people turn my stomach with your comments about YOUR PATIENCE. Trump, his family, and friends, have been harassed, bankrupted with lawyer fees, and dragged in to courts and congressional haerings for almost 3 years now, and all you care about is YOUR PATIENCE. Here’s a suggestion if that’s how you feel about it: Either stop whining and complaining about YOUR PATIENCE, or, just stop keeping up with the news until this thing finally plays out, because posting comments about your lack of patience, IS NOT HELPING ANYBODY.

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  28. ristvan says:

    Not sure I agree from both end game results and legal tactics perspectives.
    Sunlight is not the best disinfectant for a deep infection; bacteria killing antibiotics are. Spygate is more like a cancer needing surgical excision. Indictments and convictions of the perps are that ‘surgery’.

    IMO PDJT gave Barr declass authority in order to use it to get grand jury indictments. Remember PDJT Thursday Hannity remark, noted on a previous thread, paraphrased…’ but also some bad guys. And we caught them.’ That only has meaning if being ‘caught’ has real bad consequences for ‘them’ We will learn about declass when subsequently presented at trial as evidence. Thatbis a necessary consequence of criminal trial tactics.

    Broad public declass now will be argued by perps as unfairly prejudicial to their 6A guarantee to a trail by an impartial jury. The term of art is prejudicial pretrial publicity. Epstein is a present example where judge is limiting public disclosure for precisely this reason. Broad declass dump nowish enables skilled defense lawyers to juror shop during voir dire, which facilitates a jury composition predisposed to juryj nullification. Remember, 6A also guarantees a trial in the state where the crime occurred. Here, DC (FBI, DoJ ) or VA (CIA Langley). Deep State jury pool territory.

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    • Zorro says:

      What’s worse? No indictments or indictments with no convictions due to DC or VA jury?

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    • sundance says:

      There is no grand jury.

      Durham cannot be a witness and a prosecutor to the case.

      Everything after that is moot.

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      • ristvan says:

        Sundance, don’t think that comment is factually correct.

        Papadop said he has already testified before the grand jury. So it does exist, or Papadop is a big liar for no reason.
        We all know Papadop is an essential earliest part of the Brennan fabricated EC predicate Barr chartered Durham to investigate. So he would be a very logical early grand jury witness, given his book and many public statements.

        You might want to cross check my fact assertion here for your own records.

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      • SAM-TruthFreedomLiberty says:

        How is Durham a witness?

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        • ristvan says:

          He isn’t. Period. He is a prosecutor. Sundance mis spoke.

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        • sundance says:

          If Durham was “investigating” the origin of the coup, he would be like a cop doing an investigation. He would be a witness to the evidence discovered about the criminal conduct.

          A prosecutor cannot be a prosecutor of evidence/investigation and a witness to that evidence/investigation.

          That’s why Durham isn’t doing an investigation. He’s doing a review.

          Someone else would/will have to initiate an investigation, and then bring Durham evidence he can then present to a grand jury as a prosecutor. That someone would then be called as a material witness.

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          • ristvan says:

            Sundance, I respectfully suggest you follow the first rule of holes. Your above comment makes no sense at all to this Harvard trained lawyer. Durham cannot be a witness to any matter he is investigating. Not because he was recently designated prosecutor, rather because he was no where near the playing field during the time in question to witness anything.
            Please, lets all just move on to more important things. Time will tell who here is ‘right’—perhaps none of us—as PDJT has got it and none of us can ‘see’ his chessboard.

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            • sundance says:

              It is against DOJ policy for an investigative witness to be a prosecutor.

              So which do you want?

              Durham is a prosecutor? Or Durham is an investigative witness?

              The second rule of holes is to stop being one.

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              • ristvan says:

                Tell you what. I have offered you several graceful legal logical off ramps, none of which you chose. Sundance, you are now stuck here with your ‘second rule of holes’. Not a good look.

                Lest this kerfuffle compound further despite that I have tried several times to deescalate without conceding manifestly provable truth to you—You, Ad Rem, and your others now have to decide on banning me, as would be traditional. And as has frequently happened on other (climate) blog sites when they encountered me as an expert fact contrarian. Been there, done that.

                Or, to quote PDJT, “Truth IS a Force of nature”. Comment: truth takes no sides.

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                • sundance says:

                  Noted how you dodge the original issue.

                  John Durham cannot be a witness (investigator to the crimes) and a prosecutor of the evidence therein.

                  Typical lawyer who cannot admit being wrong.

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          • jeans2nd says:

            Doggone, that makes so much sense even I understood it. tyvm

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            • sundance says:

              It’s really a very basic aspect to criminal investigations and prosecutions.

              It’s ridiculous a lawyer would argue about it.

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              • Bruno says:

                Seems to me, a simple citizen/reader, some of these same arguments could apply to Sessions and Rosenstein, although the third alternative you could and would apply (particularly to the latter) is as perpetrator. Not an affant, presumably. We’ll see in due time.

                p.s. I guess Perry Mason wasn’t real life, after all.

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          • Midnite says:

            In reporting I’ve read they consistently refer to Durham as conducting a review and even Barr has used the term. This would lend credence to SD’s statement.

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    • ann says:

      Ristvan, your examples, jury shopping, etc, ground what I had only understood as an abstract. Thanks

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      • ristvan says:

        Ann, you are welcome. My simple hope here is to contribute my hard won legal knowledge to you all for free (fancy term, pro bono). Doesn’t mean it will always be correct. Just my best current takes freebe.
        Beats obsessing alone about my significant other’s growing mental health difficulties.

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        • ann says:

          Ristvan
          I watch out for your posts and always learn from them. You are are valued, and have often helped preserve my emotional balance .

          I empathize with the challenge your and your mate are living with. Painful. I will name you both in my daily prayers.

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    • Raptor says:

      For the sake of this great nation and the rule of law surviving this assault, I pray you are right! If Barr is a 5th column, it will be difficult, if not impossible to recover from.
      We need hope, and I choose to believe that this is all part of a grand strategy of Trump to drain the swamp. If nothing else, Ristvan, Thank you for giving me hope to keep the faith while waiting for the Big Ugly.

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    • Battleship Wisconsin says:

      ristvan, I do not think it is an open-and-shut case that the classified Spygate documents should remain hidden until such time as indictments are issued. My thoughts about this question are contained in a response I made to Mike Robinson’s position on this question, which I made today at this link:

      https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/07/28/65-days-and-counting/comment-page-2/#comment-7230649

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  29. Sherri Young says:

    This is not directly on target, but I read it earlier today and thought it might helpful. There is a nice little timeline that ties things together a bit better.

    https://www.factcheck.org/2015/08/clintons-email-brag/

    IMO, the Hillary/Obama Arab Spring including the gunrunning through Benghazi is at the base of this entire mess.

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  30. surakvulcan says:

    My observation has to do with the public psychology of delaying the declassification. Everyone says “Trust the plan”, “Trump is a VSG”, “Timing is everything”, and so on and so on and so on.

    In the meantime, the crazy left (but I repeat myself) has convinced themselves that Trump is a Russian agent, without any evidence. A skeptical independent voter would think that if Trump had access to exculpatory information, he would make sure it was released, so since he hasn’t done so, it’s because there isn’t exculpatory information.

    The leftists were not refuted in their bizarre conspiracy theory at the beginning, and now their alternate reality worldview is set like hardened concrete. How are we supposed to convince them that they have been wrong for the last 3 years? Yes, their opinion matters. They run much of the media, the educational establishment, the entertainment industry, most of the bureaucracy, and half the country.

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    • Raptors2020 says:

      I agree with Surak. Sadly, a legal remedy is beyond our grasp. The fight is a political one. Release the documents, tell the truth, win the war on that battlefield. Long-term, that is the only battle worth winning.

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  31. chojun says:

    BREAKING: DAN COATS TO BE REPLACED BY JOHN RATCLIFFE

    THIS IS HUGE

    The Declas authority given to AG Barr was likely done as an end-run around Dan Coats who was probably acting as a swamp guardian.

    Declas is coming!

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  32. lfhbrave says:

    Just trying to apply simple logic to the current situation:

    All Republican senators voted for Barr’s AG confirmation.
    Over majority of these same senators are deep swamp creatures.
    Over majority of these same senators continue openly advocating the view of 2016 Russian-interference hoax.
    Some of these same senators were involved, actively, in protecting the Mueller/FBI/DOJ investigation.
    Exposing the conspiracy to take down POTUS necessarily exposes these same senators being a part of the conspiracy.
    U.S. Senate is the most sophisticated political body in the world and in history.
    Most of these same senators would be highly unlikely to jeopardize their own careers or fortunes in voting to confirm Barr had they not received some sort of assurance from Mitch.
    Therefore, AG Barr, most likely, is the ultimate cleaner approved by the swamp in this biggest political scandal in American history.
    If Barr can pull this off as a cleaner, it will be a perfection of the art of controlled-opposition implemented by the deep state.

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  33. LULU says:

    Normally impatient, on this one I can wait. Our curiosity or validation or whatever is prompting our impatience to have these documents made public has to come secondary to any criminal investigation.

    I notice the lawyer types on the thread don’t want a grand jury tainted nor the prejudice that messes up legal prosecutions all the time. Take one or two of those chill pills. Most of us will do absolutely nothing with anything declassified. You know that. There are very big fish to be caught here.

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  34. mr. deacon says:

    The villagers on one side of a valley were told by a wise man that he had dreamed of a massive landslide that would soon destroy their enemies on the other side that had been raiding and pillaging them for years. Night and day they watched. Day in. Day out. Winter, spring, summer, fall; they stared at the opposite slope and with every loose stone that rolled down the villagers cried; “Ah! Finally”! But the enemy continued raiding and pillaging at will.

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    • Pale rider says:

      I thought the ending would be “they switched sides with the looters” seems a republican strategy.

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    • Joemama says:

      Then one day, it came out that the wise man was actually a member of the village on the other side of the valley, who had been planted in their midst to feed misinformation. He was a VINO, a villager in name only.

      So after tarring and feathering the VINO, the villagers climbed up onto the hill on the other side of the valley and started an avalanche by using a new weapon, gunpowder, that they had recently developed, destroying the enemy.

      And the village Republic lived happily ever after,

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  35. AnotherView says:

    I don’t have any cold anger……I have a big case of righteously red hot anger. DiGenova and Powell keep saying Barr is a good guy and will do the right thing, but I’ll believe it when I see it. I still feel he’s there to protect the establishment.

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  36. Chieftain says:

    Maybe Barr is waiting for the IG report. Attkisson says her hard drive went missing (stolen) while in custody of the IG office. Perhaps this delay is to flush out the IG people?

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  37. ruckustom says:

    August 2019 through November 2020 nothing will happen because of the unwritten rule to avoid the appearance of influencing the election. 2021 is the 5 year ending statutory period of everything that occurred in 2019.

    They’re going to run out the clock.

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  38. Sundance and Ristvan have differences of opinion and mutual respect – wow! And we Treepers and Branch Hangers have a front row perch. God bless both of them for keeping TCTH focused and educated. You people are Patriots. Thanks.

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    • covfefe999 says:

      It’s good. We don’t all have to agree. I’m normally 100% on board with what Sundance is thinking but on this matter I depart. I don’t necessarily believe Barr is going to save the day but everything I’ve seen about him so far makes me happy, so I’m being cautiously optimistic. And I’m also being patient. This is a very complex matter, a lot of players, various schemes.

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    • steph_gray says:

      The Treehouse is indeed the last refuge of civil (and logical) argument. Or sometimes not so civil – but I think today it is shining in that area.

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  39. alliwantissometruth says:

    As much as I respect and admire President Trump, he’s not God. He’s human and capable of making mistakes, as we all are

    He’s amazingly competent and successful with most of his economic leadership, and he’s been doing his utmost to secure our country and build a true MAGA ideal

    While I do realize the President isn’t used to dealing with the true scum of the earth that is the whole Washington political scene, I don’t think it’s wise to continually pick insiders to advance his/our agenda

    The only other thing I fault him on is his reluctance to admit he was wrong about certain people, and keeping them and other swamp dwellers onboard. That and not replacing so many Obama operatives who are still trying to sabotage MAGA

    While none of us truly knows what’s going on behind the scenes, and all we can do is speculate, I sure wish the President would ease our minds with a little hint if it’s indeed true the reckoning is coming

    I would hate to find out at the last minute Barr is just another swamp dweller protecting the status quo

    This whole situation as it is now is leaving informed Americans with a sense of helplessness and uncertainty, and that’s not a good thing

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    • Mike Dennis says:

      What could Barr possibly have to gain by covering this up? We know too much already. My guess is he spends 80% of his time just trying to figure out whom he can trust. Mueller looks and acts like a beaten, rented mule because he’s known for some time he will be left holding the bag and known forever as Benedict Arnold II — no way Barr risks that.

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  40. thomas says:

    Barr=deep state for the 500th time..!!

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    • lemmus1 says:

      …and for the 500th time, repeating a wrong doesn’t make it right …cheers.

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    • covfefe999 says:

      It’s absurd to write that at the current time. You have no idea. You have no idea where he’s at with his “review”. Our side doesn’t leak. You just have to wait and see, because we know so little it’s probably a 50-50 chance from our point of view. I’m not impatient, not in a hurry, as long as I see some action before the end of the year I’m good. I’m focused on the 2020 election. IMO the closer to the primaries the s*** hits the fan, the better.

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  41. Sundance, this is why Bill Barr was given this responsibility and not Donald Trump and not you. If this information was publicly disclosed, it would prevent(!) successful prosecution and probably even indictments. And, if Trump himself did the declassification, someone would immediately twist it as Obstruction.

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  42. Sundance, this is why Bill Barr was given this responsibility and not Donald Trump and not you. If this information was publicly disclosed, it would prevent(!) successful prosecution and probably even indictments. And, if Trump himself did the declassification, someone would immediately twist it as Obstruction.

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  43. Sundance, this is why Bill Barr was given this responsibility and not Donald Trump and not you. If this information was publicly disclosed, it would prevent(!) successful prosecution and probably even indictments. And, if Trump himself did the declassification, someone would immediately twist it as Obstruction.

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    • sundance says:

      That was true during the Mueller investigation. That is no longer accurate.

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      • (Sorry for the dupes. Please delete them.)

        Sundance, I respectfully disagree. The Mueller investigation was a sham, pretending to be a Special Counsel, but in any case investigating the President. The criminal investigation only began with the appointment of William Barr, about 65 days ago “and counting.” That’s the only one that matters – and if Mr. Barr or Mr. Trump did what you want them to do, the perpetrators would walk free. Here’s how:

        Mr. Comey (say …), greasy though we know he is, is Presumed Innocent. (You can be quite sure that this luxury which they would not afford to Mr. Trump for the last two years they would cling to themselves.) So, if all this classified information that proves their guilt is poured to the public, it will be impossible for an impartial Jury to be convened, and even to say that the Grand Jury was impartial. There have been many cases where convictions were overturned because too many details were published in the Chicago Tribune.

        Likewise, if Mr. Trump were the one to declassify the materials, he would probably be accused (of course) of obstructing something-or-other because he is the Defendant.

        No, Sundance, I submit that Messrs. Trump and Barr know exactly what they are doing, and that they are once again defeating the carefully laid plans of “Lawfare” lawyers who once again assume that these men are impetuous. Trump delegated his powers to be exercised at arms’ length by exactly one individual: the chief law enforcement officer. Mr. Barr is exercising absolute secrecy: nothing has been leaked, nor even insinuated. No one, most especially the accused, has any idea what is coming down, nor when. (But, Mr. Epstein didn’t have a clue, either.)

        I submit, as a polite dissent, that what is happening here is legally and absolutely necessary – frustrating though it may be to all of us in the general public. You have spoken in the past of an “outrage trap.” This is another one. Thanks for listening.

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        • P.S.: The rulings and public statements of the judge presiding over the case of the Russian companies who were accused by Mueller is indicative of the sort of concerns that I am raising here. She ordered the Government to stop making statements which would influence any future Jurors. The rules of evidence are similar: the evidence is presented at trial, and the Defense is entitled to know in advance what that evidence will be so they have time to counter it. All of these classified materials will be used as criminal evidence.

          If the Prosecutors can state that the Grand Jury considered material that was indisputably authentic, and that it was not known to the general public, then it will be difficult for the Defense to assert that the Grand Jury was biased, and/or that the Jury which then considers the same evidence is not impartial.

          The “perps” will hire the best Defense attorneys money can buy, and the trials will be held in the Swamp as the Sixth Amendment requires. Our goal is criminal convictions that will survive appeals “all the way to the Supreme Court.”

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  44. bruzedorange says:

    There’s one aspect of the (justice delayed?) timing of the prayed-for Big Ugly that (unless I’ve missed it) hasn’t been addressed to the usual treehouse standard:

    What afterwards?

    After Trump/Barr identify and remove the bad apples (and, in the emotional satisfaction of my dreams, run them through the cider press and toss their corrupt pulp in the hogs’ slop) with whom do you replace them? We could be talking about a hundred agents in the FBI alone. How deep has the corruption been seeded?

    Recognize there are legitimate MAGA missions to be performed by the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc.l. Within each organization President Trump has to first become reasonably sure that all the Deep Staters have been removed from positions of influence. He has to have confidence that he then has found trustworthy, qualified leaders to move into those emptied slots.

    The task of rebuilding or redesignating for these long-standing bureaucratic organizations would be beyond Herculean!

    So I’m wondering if the seeming delay in justice is actually time being allocated by those responsible for the future of the country to putting into place a “post-Big Ugly plan” that’s ready to install as soon as the apple press starts rolling through the orchards of the Deep State.

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  45. erins memole says:

    I know you don’t like unreferenced material, but I read in more than one place that Obama may have given secret pardons to his “deep state cohorts”. If so, everyone may have had to commit crimes on this side of the inauguration to be prosecuted. I can wait.

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    • Joemama says:

      Can someone please explain what a “secret pardon” is and/or confirm that such a thing exists? In other words, is there a historical president for a “secret pardon”.

      Thanks.

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  46. archie says:

    Trump is the only person that can make things happen and he has to do it personally.

    Trump may have to throw himself on the sword to get the information out but he has to decide whether personal ambition is more important than the country.

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    • I cordially disagree – but I would also point out that this is exactly what his opponents would very much like for him to now do. “Go ahead. Blink. Be impetuous. Be impatient. Gotcha!”

      Trump (and Barr) are determined to turn the tables – to “catch them.” To achieve criminal convictions that cannot be overturned.

      If Trump “impetuously” did what he is authorized to do, “mmmm, it sure would feel good for a little while” to discover what those people did … as they walk free. They are counting on “the outrage trap.” Once again they are mis-judging their opponent.

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  47. Hanuman says:

    Barr MemoLetter re: Obstruction of Justice could easily be able to interpret as Swamp self-preservation move follow up with the insurance scheme earlier.

    Who is pulling Barr string?

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  48. Joemama says:

    The trolls are alive, with the sound of David Brock’s butthurt …

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  49. CM-TX says:

    When the propagandist MSM has spent 3 years conspiring with them to LIE to the public, tainting opinions in favor of those perpetrating the Russian Hoax, & against PDJT & others. When these same calculating criminals posing as Officials, routinely abuse their positions & intel, to then utilize MSM & D-politicians for leaking ANY case material. Including things they know are untrue– aiming only to smear those accused/on trial. I don’t think they’d have any leg to stand on in claiming possible prejudice of public, besides that in their own favor.

    In fact, the Prosecution needs to demand trials be held far outside of DC, given the corruption & a 90% Dem voter pool for jurors. These jerks don’t get to sabotage our legal system, distorting Due Process at other’s expense… to then expect a fully fair & impartial process for themselves.

    It’d honestly be more than justified, were every possible dirty legal stunt they’ve pulled, be used back against them. After they’re dealt with, we can finally restore our legal system back to the way it was intended. I see no problem with having juries consist of those they’ve wrongly persecuted, & maybe the family members too. They might be more than fair, hoping to make a point.

    Better yet, maybe we should pull jurors from some of those LISTS, known to exist in their circles. They couldn’t possibly have a problem with this– unless they care to admit what those lists of private citizens were really for? Surely they weren’t political targets by their own Gov?? Something tells me, they’ll take their chances with instead.

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  50. Attorney says:

    Sundance, thanks for all you do.

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