The question around a third party has been debated on the pages of CTH for over a decade. After CTH researched each of the last four UniParty U.S. presidential elections we came to the conclusion in 2015 it was necessary to break the two-club system.
It was the need for a third party; and CTH recognizing Donald Trump as the outside pragmatic independent voice who personified a third option; that initiated our 2015 support for what everyone was calling the “long-shot” outsider candidate at the time.
With the American electorate now awake to political issues around the UniParty; and with evidence of 74 million+ Trump voters, and entrenched republican party unwillingness to be an independent second party option; the question about a third party is far more prevalent. In this video Dr Steve Turley uses the example of Brexit in 2019 to highlight how a third party in the U.S. could actually succeed. WATCH:
We need to deal with the voting integrity issues on a state level, that is where we must engage and fight to fix issues with ballot fraud. That fix requires state legislation to address and control mail-in ballot use. They cannot use the COVID excuse forever.
Then, and only then, I would take the third party discussion one step further….
… Given what we have witnessed in the past four years, how can we fathom NOT creating a third party? The two current parties, democrat and republican, are wings of the exact same big government bird. There is no viable option except to form another party.
The “reform from within” proposal is a good idea; meaning to take over the apparatus of the GOP and force change from within the party. However, unlike the EU models cited there are structural protective systems within the DNC and RNC that protect them from being taken over. We are seeing that structural issue with RNC support for newly elected terrible candidates like Mitt Romney in 2018.
The RNC doesn’t even attempt to field or enlist candidates against weak or ineffective republican incumbents. Exactly the opposite is true. The RNC will not support, with logistics or data sharing as examples, any primary challenges against incumbent Republican politicians.
This is how the club retains control and protection over the members; so it is somewhat of a futile effort to attempt to takeover a party that has built in self-defense mechanisms. Just look at how the RNC structurally failed to legally (or proactively) support President Trump, because from the outset never passed the club’s entry and purity test.
As a consequence a third party is needed even if you want to take over the republican party as the long-term goal. There needs to be an architecture, a framework, for a challenger to mount a primary effort against an incumbent RINO or uniparty republican.
The primary challenge framework needs to include independent fundraising systems outside the RNC control. That independent financial mechanism is how Donald Trump was eventually able to mount a successful insurgency against the RNC candidates in 2016.
Without a third party influence; and considering the rule-books used by the RNC; the predictable 2024 republican presidential election will field these final four candidates.
DeSantis is closest to MAGA. Noem is MAGA-lite with Koch Brothers edge. Haley will be the supported RNC candidate. Cruz (term expires in 2024) will play the role of controlled opposition, conservative-base splitter, all while gaining material wealth.
CTH can clearly see this traditional RNC approach with Nikki Haley in 2024 as the establishment front-runner like Jeb Bush in 2016.
If we do not initiate an outsider option using the MAGA community as the base, these four will be used by the RNC to install Nikki Haley.
The final RNC club argument will come down to club elites who demand that a woman be the next Republican front-runner. Those same elites will have “Palinized” Kristi Noem by implanting club operatives inside the Noem camp intended to undermine her campaign.
Any candidate working inside the RNC club structure will be vulnerable to the RNC club leveraging against them at a specific moment. The club pick is already well known to those who have: (a) followed the club ¹events; (b) followed the years of club rule-books; and (c) who know the exact road-map the club deploys for every election.
[¹Use CTH site search tool. Type in “Nikki Haley – then spend a few hours catching up]
If there is no outside candidate with independent resources the club will pick Nikki Haley just like the club was trying to pick Jeb Bush (’16)…. just like the club picked Mitt Romney (’12),.. just like the club picked John McCain (’08)… Wash-Rinse-Repeat.
The outsider (3rd party candidate) needs to be the MAGA candidate, and that structural support needs to exist early on, just like outsider Trump was able to create in 2015.
We need to work on this soon and create the third-party endorsement system quickly to start preparing with valid candidates for the 2022 mid-term primary races.
Yeah, let’s vote at them some more, that’ll work.;
“Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power.”
― Patrick Henry
a new party would have same issues in a decade or less. 1st we need to secure elections on a local level. Then we need to purge out the rino traitors. Without the media though it’s a losing battle.
Hi my friend,
IT AINT OVER TIL ITS OVER!!!
THE ART OF WAR?!
TRUMP HAS NOT CONCEDED!!!
PATRIOTS HOLD THE LINE!
IF TRUMP HAS NOT QUIT, WHY ARE YOU?!?
There was a lack of strategic planner in Trumps close working group who could breach the MSM castle! He should have known all these years the role of Facebook in electing Obama!
We heard a lot about his 3 D chess playing but instead he ran too many rallies while the Dumpcrats constantly attacked his castle or rather wouldn’t let his castle be built as in chess’s terms!
His cabinet picks were just about the worse clowns who had nothing to brag about MAGA agenda achievements!
Devos should have should have dismantled the teachers union! Now she resigns in protest SMH
Look at the Mad Dog Mattis Sessions
Barr
list is long!
BTW I am the only one in Dimms voting family supporting him, since day of escalator but now what?
He did accomplish a lot of things he said he was going to do but too was destruction of MSM & masters of the universe his main enemies!
I came to America from the subcontinent but seems America is becoming like one w/ all the corruption political or financial!
Hi my friend,
IT AINT OVER TIL ITS OVER!!!
THE ART OF WAR?!
TRUMP HAS NOT CONCEDED!!!
PATRIOTS HOLD THE LINE!
IF TRUMP HAS NOT QUIT, WHY ARE YOU?!?
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Seeing the final four for 24 got me wondering who’d run the enforcer role and it’s more obvious than I thought. If you remember back to 2016 Romney held no office at the time, yet somehow he ends up doing a very high profile televised press conference focused squarely on attacking Trump during the primary season. That was the strangest televised event I’ve ever seen because it lacked any relevance with him no longer in politics. Nothing is what it seems in politics and Sundance reminds us of that all the time. The reality behind that presser looking back now is that Romney was looking for RNC approval on a mid term senate run in a state he selected already but hadn’t moved to yet. In order to get that thumb up he had to go out of his way to take a public oath of loyalty so the Rino faction of the RNC would agree to this as well. This sounds nuts placed in it’s actual context but the entire PR stunt attacking DJT was nothing more than Mitt begging for a senate seat. Had he gotten on his knees in that press conference and begged for one it would have been too obvious lol. At any rate he’ll definitely be running designated dumbass for Haley in 24.
Also worth mentioning that Mitt saw the writing was on the wall DJT was going to be the nominee. If he waited any longer to help the establishment by doing whatever he could to prevent the inevitable from happening the window would have closed potentially for good.
When you boil water, the energetic molecules leave first.
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Great idea!
Be aware, however, that ANY attempt at building a grassroots level, America-first, Normal American party will be infiltrated by neoconmen.
They will have money, power, energy and will take positions of influence and control. From those positions, they’ll subvert, divert and destroy the original intent of the effort.
You can work to counter-act this, but it is difficult. In effect, you need a counter-intelligence vetting system built in to any grass-roots construction effort.
For a case study, see the Tea Party and its slow, but sure, co-opting by neoconmen. And then see the results of that destruction.
There is a hunger in the country for what you describe. But there is a lack of understanding of the threat from “within” by Normals who try to build new systems.
I once wrote an article called “I’ve Got The Ballot Access Blue” but I can’t find it…stumbled on this while searching:
“Death by a Thousand Signatures: The Rise of Restrictive Ballot Access Laws and the Decline of Electoral Competition in the United States”
https://digitalcommons.law.seattleu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi
I think the Brexit model the professor used is the best. Any third party headed by Trump (whether or not he is able to actually run for prez in 2024) will take off like a rocket. Monetary support from the people will immediately transfer to the MAGA party, and that will put on notice the RNC as to what VOTERS want. The RNC/RINOS will have to choose between the voters, and the donor globalist class. One will give you money – but no votes. Therefore a third party will either replace the GOP or drag them kicking and screaming toward the constitution, and putting America first.
A call by Trump to the American people to stop their contributions to the republicans and support the new party will have immediate results. We should not be so afraid! 75 million voted for TRUMP, not the RNC or GOP. We have the juice (money and votes) to do this rather quickly. Make the republican party come to heel. They are spineless in the face of democrats. They will surrender to us also – or we just take their voters and individual contributors.
Last I would recommend writing a platform which is brief, and straightforward. Thoughtful and not over strident except in its position of America FIRST!
We have to face the reality that due to demographic changes we can never win at the ballot box again.
A third party is a good idea but the real goal for the areas of the country that treasure the historic American nation should be secession. It couldn’t be a total secession because of so many people’s reliance on social security and Medicare. The seceded areas would have control over its immigration, law enforcement, environmental rules, courts etc.
That is the only way we will remain free. With two more states in the Democrats agenda they will crush us. They will bring in refugees by the millions and deposit them in red areas to dilute us.
A third party would serve as both a rallying cry and an organizing tool. I guarantee after two years of Biden Harris Schumer and company patriots will see this not as an option but a necessity.
What the hell difference do parties or candidates make? Did these people already forget what happened Nov 3? The Demo_rats STOLE a national election by stuffing “ballot boxes” with millions of votes in the middle of the night. The evidence is BLANTANT and UNAMBIGUOUS and not one of the institutions whose job supposedly it is to uphold the Constitution – the state courts, governors, SCOTUS, Congress, FBI, DOJ, etc – lifted a finger to do a thing about it. And these people and the a-holes in the media keep trying to tell us it didn’t happen, that Nov3 was a “fair” election!!!!
So why even bother to vote? Why waste your time working for campaign or donating any money to ANY party or candidate? Because the uni-party frauds will just stuff the ballot boxes again and put in who they want anyway. The whole election system has become a fraud, a joke, a con-game.
And if you’re thinking there’s going to be some kind of “reforms” to “fix” this for the future…. understand you’re entrusting the same clowns who just stole the damn election to “reform” the system. It’s like hiring the crook who just ransacked your house to install your new burgler alarm.
Trump lost the election by losing three counties. Maricopa county in Arizona, Fulton county in Georgia, and Philadelphia county in Pennsylvania. Biden won Arizona, Georgia and Pennsylvania by a total of 103,896 votes (#from politico.com). That’s 47 electoral votes. Enough to overturn the election. It was that simple. Now all you have to do flip California using some of their own methods. Maricopa county in Arizona used Dominion machines to fudge the votes, Fulton county in Georgia found ballots under a table, and Philadelphia county in Pennsylvania brought ballots in from New York. California is 55 electoral votes. In the disarray California is in it shouldn’t be that hard.