The question around a third party has been debated on the pages of CTH for over a decade. After CTH researched each of the last four UniParty U.S. presidential elections we came to the conclusion in 2015 it was necessary to break the two-club system.
It was the need for a third party; and CTH recognizing Donald Trump as the outside pragmatic independent voice who personified a third option; that initiated our 2015 support for what everyone was calling the “long-shot” outsider candidate at the time.
With the American electorate now awake to political issues around the UniParty; and with evidence of 74 million+ Trump voters, and entrenched republican party unwillingness to be an independent second party option; the question about a third party is far more prevalent. In this video Dr Steve Turley uses the example of Brexit in 2019 to highlight how a third party in the U.S. could actually succeed. WATCH:
We need to deal with the voting integrity issues on a state level, that is where we must engage and fight to fix issues with ballot fraud. That fix requires state legislation to address and control mail-in ballot use. They cannot use the COVID excuse forever.
Then, and only then, I would take the third party discussion one step further….
… Given what we have witnessed in the past four years, how can we fathom NOT creating a third party? The two current parties, democrat and republican, are wings of the exact same big government bird. There is no viable option except to form another party.
The “reform from within” proposal is a good idea; meaning to take over the apparatus of the GOP and force change from within the party. However, unlike the EU models cited there are structural protective systems within the DNC and RNC that protect them from being taken over. We are seeing that structural issue with RNC support for newly elected terrible candidates like Mitt Romney in 2018.
The RNC doesn’t even attempt to field or enlist candidates against weak or ineffective republican incumbents. Exactly the opposite is true. The RNC will not support, with logistics or data sharing as examples, any primary challenges against incumbent Republican politicians.
This is how the club retains control and protection over the members; so it is somewhat of a futile effort to attempt to takeover a party that has built in self-defense mechanisms. Just look at how the RNC structurally failed to legally (or proactively) support President Trump, because from the outset never passed the club’s entry and purity test.
As a consequence a third party is needed even if you want to take over the republican party as the long-term goal. There needs to be an architecture, a framework, for a challenger to mount a primary effort against an incumbent RINO or uniparty republican.
The primary challenge framework needs to include independent fundraising systems outside the RNC control. That independent financial mechanism is how Donald Trump was eventually able to mount a successful insurgency against the RNC candidates in 2016.
Without a third party influence; and considering the rule-books used by the RNC; the predictable 2024 republican presidential election will field these final four candidates.
DeSantis is closest to MAGA. Noem is MAGA-lite with Koch Brothers edge. Haley will be the supported RNC candidate. Cruz (term expires in 2024) will play the role of controlled opposition, conservative-base splitter, all while gaining material wealth.
CTH can clearly see this traditional RNC approach with Nikki Haley in 2024 as the establishment front-runner like Jeb Bush in 2016.
If we do not initiate an outsider option using the MAGA community as the base, these four will be used by the RNC to install Nikki Haley.
The final RNC club argument will come down to club elites who demand that a woman be the next Republican front-runner. Those same elites will have “Palinized” Kristi Noem by implanting club operatives inside the Noem camp intended to undermine her campaign.
Any candidate working inside the RNC club structure will be vulnerable to the RNC club leveraging against them at a specific moment. The club pick is already well known to those who have: (a) followed the club ¹events; (b) followed the years of club rule-books; and (c) who know the exact road-map the club deploys for every election.
[¹Use CTH site search tool. Type in “Nikki Haley – then spend a few hours catching up]
If there is no outside candidate with independent resources the club will pick Nikki Haley just like the club was trying to pick Jeb Bush (’16)…. just like the club picked Mitt Romney (’12),.. just like the club picked John McCain (’08)… Wash-Rinse-Repeat.
The outsider (3rd party candidate) needs to be the MAGA candidate, and that structural support needs to exist early on, just like outsider Trump was able to create in 2015.
We need to work on this soon and create the third-party endorsement system quickly to start preparing with valid candidates for the 2022 mid-term primary races.
“GO-PEXIT”
? What?
I think it is time to save our country and our lives by any way ‘legally’ possible.
I’m not going to disparage those who disagree and I’m not going to argue with anyone. I just want you to realize that the world you grew up in no longer exists. Voting is over. Sure you can do it but it means nothing and will never matter again. It’s here. Now. Everything you have feared is upon you. You need to be realistic about where we are, and what we can do about it.
I was disappointed that Dr. Steve Turley characterized a new American party in terms of a sort of “wedge” party capable, at best, of forcing the existing RNC to temporarily be more conservative. On the contrary, it has long been clear that both the RNC and DNC are so entrenched with the globalist agenda that they abandoned their rightful roles completely. They have done nothing but work against the tenets of the Constitution, and against our culture and all the institutions through which our political relationships are defined.
The landslide Trump was on the way to receiving unified multiple segments of the political landscape: 1) The MAGA core of solid conservatives; 2) Independents who had been leaving both parties in disgust for years, and never had another party to turn to; 3) Democrats who object to the far-leftward movement of the Dem party; 4) New voters that Trump’s movement has inspired. Trump has unified all of us into a massive majority big enough to redefine our political institutions to again culturally support the America that the Founders envisioned–an America that matches the sense of mutual respect, fairness, and the innate sense of personal freedom that all of us still naturally feel, even in the midst of the tyranny of the Uniparty! Political parties are cultural levers. They can lift, or they can depress, the level of discourse. They can create a salutary consensus on which acts are acceptable, and which are not. Or they can drag the whole thing down, as our two major parties have for so long conspired to do. With a party of our own–one we intend to keep and to use to represent the values we hold dear–we can cleanse and re-establish a political landscape that honors the simple idea of “live-and-let-live” which still undergirds our mentality and our society. Most of all, we need a party with a teaching arm, to make sure we never again lose touch with the principles that made our country exceptional.
Why not cancel your Party Membership and Register to Vote as A Non-Affiliate or also called
an INDEPENDENT VOTER? THAT WOULD MAKE “WE THE PEOPLE”, TRULY
SOVEREIGN INDIVIDUALS, who would be able to Freely Vote for THE BEST CANDIDATE!?
WHY DO WE NEED ANY PARTY?!?
What everyone can do…Immediately…is engage in Economic Discrimination against the Enemy. The “Enemy” is, at a Minimum, all businesses that are owned by liberal progressive democrats. This applies right down to your local town “Mom & Pop” shops. No one should spend their money in businesses whose ownership do not believe in the things that you do. Why should these kinds of people ever profit from you? This has been a War for decades…and most did not realize it. This same kind of Legal Discrimination should be applied to any “friendships” that you currently have as well. All of your money…not going into their pockets…would have an immediate effect. The Goal should be to put as many of these peoples’ businesses out of business as possible.
The g.o.p. is in it’s death throes…
“What everyone can do…Immediately…is”:
100 million Trump supporters can change their voter registration from “republican” to Independent.
100 million Trump supporters can stop any and all financial support going to the g.o.p.
Without support from 100 million Trump supporters, the g.o.p. will die a quick death….
Without the g.o.p., mcconnell, ms lindsie graham, and all rinos will find themselves unemployed…
I took that step to independent in 2003. Ready for a MAGA party (whatever its name may finally be). At this point, we probably must have President Trump to spearhead it.
I just did that minutes ago! I changed from Republican to None (not affiliated). My state allows you to change your registration online… 🙂
Hi Marky,
of the many replies, you my friend are one
of the few who truly understand my comment,
and Pres. Trump approach to giving back the POWER TO
WE THE PEOPLE, his 2016 inaugural address!
IT AINT OVER TIL ITS OVER!!!
THE ART OF WAR?!
TRUMP HAS NOT CONCEDED!!!
PATRIOTS HOLD THE LINE!
IF TRUMP HAS NOT QUIT, WHY ARE any of us?!?
Oh I agree. I’m talking about everything else besides what you have mentioned…It has to be more than just depriving the GOP of our Registration & Money. It has to be Discriminating with our money being spent on liberal democrat owned & establishment republican owned businesses as well.
Sundance, why do you label Noem as MAGA-lite?
She has been a known Koch collaborator
I agree, but that is how all Patriots eventually get trapped into the system and if you get in but don’t play ball, they find or make up something to blackmail you with. Your choice is resign, become junior member in the fraud and theft, or be prosecuted by equal corrupt Judges in DC. We need to think of both parties as second tier Mobs, that report upto the CCP/Davos Mod that runs the Kleptocracy infecting the Earth.
Hit her site and look at her position on key policy points that got President Trump elected.
She’s a bit soft on the tariffs, and supports farm labor visas. But she’s against illegal immigration.
You still believe what they say and write? I am not being snarky. With all the lies we are finally seeing exposed, why would we believe anything these people say?
Bill Barr gave some mighty fine speeches.
It is just more marketing 101 and we fall for it every time.
The DNC and RNC are two monopolies like Coke and Pepsi. They will work together to squeeze out the third party. But we have the truth and we can overcome this with legitimate voting
We’ve been cheated for years in the primaries. You think RINOS don’t cheat too in ruby red states??? Of course they do.
Read the founding history of the Republican party; note how quickly their candidate (Lincoln) became president. And what happened to the Whigs as a result. This CAN be done.
Don’t look now, but we haven’t had “legitimate voting” in the USA for many years…
There were a couple of brothers, James and Kenneth Collier, who ran for office in the 1970s as research for writing a book that they were going to call “Ballots Not Bullets”.
The brothers campaigned the old fashioned way, knocking on doors etc and got about 30% of the vote that first time.
However, they also encountered massive voting fraud at the end, and documented more and more fraud for what eventually became a book named “Votescam”. They noted the technique of stopping a voting count, claiming a “malfunction” and then stuffing in fraudulent votes to reach the desired result.
This was decades ago, and newspapers did not cover it. Look up James and Kenneth Collier. They died young, unfortunately… but had tried to warn the rest of us. Let’s honor their memory
Thank you!
Thank you very much. I’ll have to get that book. Here’s an interesting excerpt from a web page about the brothers ( https://en.everybodywiki.com/Votescam ):
“The Colliers themselves caught one poll worker running the same stack of punch cards through a tabulating computer repeatedly. Jim obtained several bank [blank?] election tally sheets, along with confessions from precinct officials who signed the blank sheets days and weeks before the election. The Colliers took the evidence to the Dade County state attorney and future Clinton-era attorney general, Janet Reno. She ignored the evidence of fraud by the system, but instead had Jim arrested for stealing blank tally sheets.”
James Collier, in a video interview, laid a large part of the responsibility for
Election fraud on the media. He described faked exit polls in New Hampshire, reported by the New York Times… and instant calling when polls had only been closed seven minutes, impossible to verify in that time frame and clearly pre-set
Why am I not surprised?
“The pen is mightier than the sword” and ‘they’ have 90% of all the pens, pencils, magic markers & crayons.
Are you going to support the 2024 Republican nominee ? Trump hasn’t even moved out of the WH.
I’m having a fantasy where Trump stays in office and we can watch the rats scatter.
No he won’t but you, ingrate, are being judged harshly now! You are already a has been and are to stupid to know it.
And for the same reason I’ve been saying the Republican Party should replace the elephant mascot with a wooly mammoth. They’re extinct but they don’t know it yet.
That’s funny.
I liken the RNC to a picture of a highway with big YELLOW streak running right down the middle.
Yellow streak, like cowards? Nope. More like lust for money, power, and sex—-in no particular order.
She’s an ingrate but she’s wearing a shirt and that’s going to be rubbed on everybody’s eyes, including the blind.
If you don’t like the ungrateful witch you’ll be called a misogynist even if you are a woman, or worse. Misogynist will be the new “racist”.
Excuse me, I feel like puking. Just her treasonous looks are so disgusting.
wearing a skirt
Was NEVER going to happen. This outcome was ordained and engineered for since Trump won. They planned that if they couldnt get him another way, they would get him by rigging the election. Trump could run again in 2024 but he would not be the GOP nominee. We need a Freedom party now.
MAGA party
Maga party, Freedom party… I don’t care what the name is… Let’s just do it!
Fine. But I want a Lion as the icon. Gotta be a Lion!!!
I’m glad she said that. Now Trump can help trash her nomination.
Not that TPTB really care with the non citizen Heels Up as VP but Ms. Haley is a non NBC unqualified candidate.
BFD, lady. Ronald Reagan is also judged harshly by history. History is bunk.
The only character Nikki Haley has, resides in the font section of her computer.
Rats scattering? I like that vision!!!
In this article, Nikki Haley REPEATED the Charlottesville lie. That’s right. She’s garbage.
I don’t see where Turley had any actionable suggestions.
He said that “given the mood of the rank and file of the Republican party right now, we should be able to defeat them quite easily”, while speaking about primarying “every single RINO in the nation” over the next two years.. (10:45 in the video).
I’d like to humbly point out that he is severely underestimating the difficulty of doing such a thing.
IMHO, it’s a much more achievable goal to selectively target a small handful of them in the 2022 election, say 3 or 4 Congressmen and 1 or 2 Senators. And that might even voting against them in the general. The fewer Senators the minority leader has, the more his ability to sell them is diminished.
Turley makes his living off of telling people what he thinks they want to hear. It probably works pretty well….for him.
Rob: Until election integrity is restored your wise suggestion is only so much blowing in the wind.
Yes, I totally agree. I hope everyone agrees and realizes that it’s the bedrock foundation of any plan going forward.
I should have mentioned in my comment that Turley thinks “getting a handle” on electoral integrity is something “which we should be able to do with our 30 current Republican states” (10:32 in the video.)
IMO, Turley is again severely underestimating the difficulty of doing this. It’s as if he isn’t aware of the actions of the state-level GOP in enabling or ignoring the changes in election law.
I’d like to help primary “every single RINO in the nation” but I just left the GOP after 40 plus years and my state has closed primaries. Not my party anymore. Sorry.
Yes, I do like the new catchphrase “Never GOP”..
The primaires don’t work anyway. The GOPe ‘selects’ the person ‘before’ the primary. Should their primary opponent win they fight against that person. If somehow they win the general election, then once in Congress they marginalize them unless the become GOPe.
The idea is to join a MAGA party, vote MAGA when MAGA can win a three way race (GOPe, MAGA, Dem). Vote GOPe otherwise until we have enough to win in a three way race. While we would all like to lay waste to the GOPe come 2022, which we could, it would just hand majority control over the nation to the Communists in every State and their goes any hope of an honest election system in the 29 States the still have Republican Majorities. The Republic dies and is replaced with Communism similar to what they have in Chine right now.
A Maga party, a voting bloc of 100 million Patriots, will be able to control all future elections…
If the existing political parties don’t do as the Maga party wants, they will lose 100 million votes…
Not if we split with voters still in GOPe matrix.
For those with an attitude like yours, it is not only difficult, it is impossible…
As for me, I know we can do it, so let’s get started.
I don’t have any “attitude” except desiring an actionable plan.
Goals should be “SMART” — Specific; Measurable; Achievable; Relevant; Time-bound
Nothing Turley said comes anywhere near any of those criteria.
You say “let’s get started.” That’s great.
Here’s the challenge – started on what?, specifically.
Let’s get started on cutting loose from the dying g.o.p. and starting an new, conservative party…
We can reach 50% by 3rd party, or at least a majority. Start by plucking Republicans then working class democrats.
In actuality we may already be a 27-33% MAGA/KAG Party. 25% of GOP (if not more), 10-15% Walkaway Democrats, 25-30% New Voters/Independents. I believe that this is Sundance’s point. Our party could only grow. Bill Clinton won the 1992 PE with 43% of the popular vote.
There it is.
There are many MAGA Democrats that would never join the Republican party. But I believe they would definitely join a new party. Throw in some independents, and a party started by President Trump would have the greatest chance of becoming a viable 3d party in decades.
My opinion, YMMV.
Agree. We would have the numbers. But the elections are rigged. Trump had a landslide and they still came up with enough fraudulent votes. I want a 3rd Party. But it still doesn’t solve the problem that the elections will be rigged. As a 3rd Party, and I hope that happens soon, we need to figure out how to overcome these rigged elections.
We only run a MAGA candidate when we can win a three way race (GOPe, MAGA, Dem). We still have a MAGA party in all states in districts though. Those in purple districts are more like the French Resistance recruiting members until is time to strike.
We should also be thinking about control of the state legislatures as a way of taking control of the senate: repeal the direct election of senators and return power to the state legislatures where candidates for senate can be better controlled.
The 17th Amendment makes that impossible. While that needs to appealed we are a long way from being able to do that.
You mean repealed?
Yes
President Trump had majorities unseen in this country ever in its history. Guess who is walking into the white house? All this talk about building majorities and the next election is whistling in the wind as far as I can see when the DC Cabal are just going to steal the next one as they did this.
You guys just don’t get the full impact of your statement when you make these claims. You say, voting doesn’t matter, but then you’re not shooting/utilizing your 2A.
The moment your vote doesn’t matter, that means you live in a dictatorship which compels one of two responses: 1) Submit; 2) Fight…there is no third option.
So true. There IS no 3rd option.
Many who went to DC on Wednesday knew… “I did so not because I believed the Republicans in the Senate or Vice-President Mike Pence would do the right thing — I knew they would not — but because it marked the beginning of middle America’s determination to take back the country.” ~ Steve McCann over at AT
January 6, 2020, a Day that Will Live in Political Infamy – American Thinker
(Title should read 2021)
Fighting does not have to involve 2A.
We all agree that putting in place an honest election system in the 29 states Republicans still controlled by Republicans is critical. I think the GOPe will actual push for this because vote flipping is just a setting in the computer and the Communists could flip any seat in the State via this mechanism, no ballot stuffing required.
Donald J. Trump is STILL president, at least until January 20. We all KNOW he was the legitimate winning candidate. It’s not January 20 yet. Don’t give up hope yet. Pray and fast.
As Sundance has often pointed out, we’re not looking to have a third party here; no, we have to start a bona fide, SECOND party! Right now, the Dems and GOPe are two wings of the same, DC Uniparty bird; right now, we only have one party with two factions.
Furthermore, I was active in our local Tea Party. When I was there, I heard all SORTS of stories about how the county GOP would undermine MAGA style candidates before MAGA was a thing; the county GOP would see to it that RINOs were candidates.
I have been an RNC precinct committeeman — during the 2009 and 2010 campaign season — and I will attest to the fact that the rank and file precinct committee membership was appalled and viciously opposed to all voices that they saw as putting a wrench into their well-designed and long standing schemes to SILENCE MAGA-types (my anachronistic label of them used merely to be precise about who these patriots were).
What you write, MarkyMark, is true of my experience too. But this day is different than then: we have now a true MAGA President now who has proven that his banner is worth following and even more, is worth our time and energy to carry forward. It is, after all, our banner for which he fights. And how can we not do our utmost to preserve his name, which has been vilified and stomped through the mud; his name is after all, our name — which the evil foe working through the actions of our morally bankrupt “leaders,” seeks to erase.
Yeah, around that time I had joined my local Young Republicans group. I quit before the year end. I just didn’t have it in me to make phone calls for Meg Whitman’s run for CA governor. I knew a RINO when I saw one. That’s not how I wanted to spend my precious time.
At the behest of Young Republicans, I showed up to a small Rep. Ed Royce rally to put my young face out there for him. I endured heckling from a few bitter Democrats on the fringes, and for what? Another RINO. One who, when I wrote him concerning a bill wondering if he would support it, never bothered to write back. I just got the spam auto-reply. At least when Gary Miller had been my representative, he’d bother to write back and lie to me. Royce didn’t even bother to lie. Only silence.
Exactly, we already tried reform form the inside. But we need to make sure we only run MAGA in districts were we can win a three way race (GOPe, MAGA, Dem). Work on MAGA party membership in all districts until we can win. Vote GOPe in the general until then.
The primary is not very effective anyway because a MAGA challenger rarely wins against the GOPe anointed. Even if a MAGA type gets in to Congress under the Republican banner, the GOPe marginalize them unless they become GOPe. In the case of the President, it’s really hard to marginalize that inherently powerful office but they sure did try and ultimately had to cheat and cheat big in order to prevent a second term.
Exactly!
We can take over the Constitution Party. They’ve already got the groundwork all laid out for us. It’s an empty house just waiting for occupants.
I think that’s a great idea. We could also use POTUSDJT as well, Check out their website: https://www.constitutionparty.com/
AND, we need to re-take all the MSM. A LOT of totally ignorant people pay attention to them and not the alternate media, unfortunately.
I’d be for that. But that might mean no more use of EO’s by a President. Which, in the long run, would be a good thing.
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We dont need a third party. We need a second party. There is literally no distinguishing difference between the democrats and republicans and participating in that charade anymore is abhorrent to me. I refuse.
Well it acts like 3rd party winning were it can in three way races, voting for GOPe where it can’t, gradually consuming the Republican party form the inside but still being outside of its control. Basically their worst nightmare.
YES!
It is impossible to clean up and out the kabuki-theater-Uniparty–blackmailed-by-or-beholden-to-globalist-money that does not care about us.
Making elected officials and candidates “OPT IN” to a NEW Trump-inspired, America-first, conservative, populist party will have a chilling effect on Rinos from joining (due to the “bad optics”/ Trump is evil and everyone hates him).
And, this is helpful because then we don’t have to worry about whether we can trust other party members. Trump was constantly, consistently, and repetitively betrayed and stabbed in the back by other Republicans/Rinos/Decpticons. IMO, that hurt him more than the open hatred by Democrats.
It will NOT split the Republican vote, thus electing the Democrats. I think it will be the beginning of the end to the Republican Party, who will still have their elected officials and still fundraise from globalists.
However, if the NEW party primaries(?) all Republicans, many will be voted out, and more so down the line.
Though, money/ fundraising will probably be an ongoing issue for the NEW party, since it will presumably rely on donations by individuals, small businesses, and national corporations- which cannot compare to the limitless amount of money from the globalists.
(I have been wondering if Trump/current Trump donors can sue the Republican Party/ WinRed since many specifically donated for Trump, not realizing that the money is funneled to and used by the Party.)
I do not believe that our country will continue to exist as originally intended if we do not do this, and instead stay within the Republican Party, which, again, is really the kabuki-theater-Uniparty–blackmailed-by-or-beholden-to-globalist-money that does not care about us. Because, we then will continue to support “The Snake,” that does not pursue or support our Freedoms.
Starting and building a new party will be hard, but I have been amazed by all of the private individuals who have stood up and contributed to proving election fraud, etc.- where the vast majority are impressively intelligent and organized, principled and patriotic.
Or, we can all just move to Texas and have it secede.
Awoman.
Glad it has already started:
Scott Pressler starting on MaGA Candidate Recruitment
Scott Presler is nothing short of amazing. A godsend. His energy and enthusiasm and love for this country and its people is profound.
Love the idea of getting the 3rd Party up and going — long overdue.
And as for January 20, 2021, Trump will transition the “new administration” which will be HIS with a new VP and cabinet updates. Count on it.
I was upset during his rally speech for various reasons and have wavered in my support over the last 24 hours like a freshly caught perch flip flopping. But I’m done with weakness and will remain steadfast in resolve for his ultimate win.
Now, after watching this short video of backstage ‘Trump en famille,’ it begs the question…
DOES THIS LOOK LIKE DEFEAT? [enjoy!!!!]
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You can tell who the RINO’S, GLOBALISTS & GROUPTHINKERS are because they wear a mask further supporting the greatest HOAX ever perpetrated on the American peoples & the world ???
Step 1: Recruit like crazy to get people all over the country to run for office in your local GOP central committee.
Step 2. Work like crazy to recruit real conservatives who understand how to fight at the local and state level.
Step 3. Work like crazy to primary anyone in office under the GOP label that is not a fighter against this neo-Marxist crap.
Step 4. Rinse repeat above.
Step 5. Gut out the losers and GoAlongToGetAlong types and wear the GOP skin like a trophy.
If all that fails, create a ground up party. The infrastructure is there. It just needs to be taken over.
We tried that in the Tea Party it doesn’t work for the reason many have posted above. The plan is run a 3rd Party MAGA when we can win in three way race (GOPe, MAGA, Dem). MAGA votes GOPe when we can’t. Basically we consume the Republican party from the inside utilizing a 3rd party that is completely outside their control. We must be strategic though. The Prime Directive of the 3rd soon to become 2nd party is never ever switch a GOPe seat to Dem. Only strike in district when you can win a three way race.
the question isthis..
does POTUS (he will ALWAYS be our POTUS) have the POWER to reform the RePub Party ?
I really do not know.
Can he literally nominate all future Repub reps from senator down to lowest state levels + all RNC folks.
IF he has tthe powwer and support for a clean out then detroy the RINOs and take over the GOP.
IF he does not (i.e Pence and McConnell remain in place) then he should form a new party.
POTUS and his supporters cannot co-exist with McConnell etc. after recent events.
Either POTUS goes or RINOs go (if they can be removed).
The biggest reason I am for a third party right now is to prepare for mid-terms and get people in place to run for Congress.
If we can get just a few in each body we got them by the balls.
We then get to be Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins. We get to be courted by the the clowns in both parties, or they will never get anything passed, or veto’s overridden.
We don’t have to control with numbers, but with strategy. Gum up the works as much as possible.
The key objective before 2022 is to put in place an honest election system in as many States as possible and as soon as possible. Without that no strategy will work, and the Republican party will end for sure but it will be replaced by Communism. Vote flipping is not just for swing states, its just a setting in the computer.
Assuming that is in place than we can start taking a few bites out of the Elephant were MAGA can win a three way race (GOPe, MAGA, Dem). MAGA votes for GOPe where we can’t right now. Steady wins the race.
Come to think it, the Lion is the perfect symbol for this new party, they attack elephants in packs and eat them one bite at time. Further they just sit in the shade, relaxing, until there’s enough of them to strike. Donkey’s on the hand can be easily handled by just one lion at anytime.
I am an original Reagan Republican. You can do it how ever you want, but after 37 years of lies, I will never do one more thing for a Republican. Ever. I would rather stab myself in the crotch with an icepick.
Susanna Martinez lied directly to my face as I handed her a SUBSTANTIAL check for her first campaign for the Governorship of NM.
After what has happened to President Trump, I will never do a thing for the RNC or a Republican candidate again. Internally. Externally. Nada. Nope. To. Hell. With. Every. One. Of. Them.
If a Republican politician was dying of thirst, I wouldn’t give them the sweat off my taint.
We have already lost 21 states to the Communists. Your plan dooms the other 29 to the same fate.
My thoughts on the creation of a Third Party (FWIW)
In previous years I argued against it BECAUSE the American electoral process which consists of a 2 vote (primary then general) process favors a 2 party system.
THAT, and because our Constitution enumerates criteria for MAJORITY (rather than PLURALITY) thresholds for electoral success.
So, my thinking was that the creation of a 3rd party would only FRACTURE alliances between people who are, for the most part, in agreement that BIG GOVERNMENT is the biggest enemy we face, and that THOSE FRACTURES would only GUARANTEE that the champions of the Nanny State would prevail at every turn.
BUT, the notion that “WE” can commandeer an existing party (the GOP, in this case) or at least form a coalition with its leaders is NOW OBVIOUSLY UNFEASIBLE.
They will NEVER change.
They will NEVER negotiate with integrity.
They will ALWAYS be part-and-parcel of the corrupted elitist “ruling class” I despise.
So now…. YES I GIVE MY TIME AND ENERGY to the construction of a new, America First, MAGA-Based third party.
New party or not? Just don’t know yet. It won’t stop the media from doing what they do.
What we can do to see if it’s possible is contact all your local Republican organizations and tell them you want Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc links removed from their websites. We will know from that if they are willing to change or reform.
If they don’t, they are supporting companies that are against us. They are even blocking/removing the “Walk Away” democrats. So, it appears there are some allies. Why would Republican groups actively support companies that want to destroy us, unless they are in on the destruction! There can be no excuse. Tell them to not support big tech companies that censor Republicans.
I think this will give us some answers.
It’s a no-brainer. There is no reform of the RNC. It’s all about “conform.” We’ve been fooled for decades now. President Trump pulled back the curtain. There is no going back. It’s time to start a new party. Called it a reformed second or a third party, no matter. It’s semantics. Trump is the king maker now. Candidates must have his support/backing or they are not MAGA. And the candidates must declare themselves MAGA. We can do this. Many of us who have never contributed to candidates did so for PDJT. Come up the with exact stats, but my educated guess is that a minimum of 70% of registered Republicans and 30% of Dems/Independents will back MAGA candidates. Keep in mind that we would draw a good percentage of minorities. And immigrants. Immigrants come here because it’s America. If they wanted what their countries of origin offered they wouldn’t leave. The challenge will be for young, talented, candidates to run. It’s 2021 already and Virginia has state-wide elections in November. Time to get this party started (pun intended).
I think you are short on Independents. I think 60-70% independents went Trumps way and 20-30% Democrats went to Trump as well. How else can you account for 80 million votes.
YES!!
Exactly, we need think in terms of voters and locations where MAGA can win a three way race (GOPe, MAGA, Dem). Unfortunately VA is behind the iron curtain at this point as we have no means to remove the Communist voting system. We still have 29 States with Republican majorities that are still in a position to put in an honest voting system before 2022. These States have 302 EC votes as well. So MAGA could control all three branches from just these States. But we have to act now to save them.
I’m afraid you are part of the behind the lines MAGA resistance force until we hold all three branches of Government at the Federal Level via the 29 States we can hopefully save from the grips of Communist voting system. From that level of control we could then make it really difficult for the Communist States to continue to operate a Communist voting system.
at a time when news traveled by horseback, the Republicans went from Rippon to the White House in 4 years.
Didn’t bother to read the article – it may be well written and thoughtful. But until we address the REAL problems facing our Republic – parties mean nothing, voting means nothing. In spite of the propaganda, smoke and mirrors, and MSM spin – it’s all been lies, we have no input into policy, laws, regulations… For some time America has NOT been a representative,law and order Constitutional republic – we were only led to believe so. Only now have we come to the realization fraud, grifting and corruption are the machinery of our govt.
I already have the web domain Nationallibertarian.com Let’s roll.
I’ve been saying for years we need a third party. At the point I saw the degree of betrayal of President Trump by most of the Republican elected officials I began to hope that if President Trump did decide to run again he would do so under his own party.
Now this is just my opinion and some may not agree. It will not be enough to support a third party in your heart alone. In order for this to work supporters will have to quit the Republican Party and re-register to join the new political party or perhaps re-register as Independents in states which allow Independents to vote in both the primary and the general election, which my state does. I have been a registered Unaffiliated voter for twenty years. I support the candidate not the party. Needless to say people will have to take their dollars to the new party or candidate as well.
Again I would love nothing better (assuming were are successful in getting an honest election system in place in the 29 States we can) than making a MAGA run at the Presidency in 2024, but we must make sure we can win in three way race between (GOPe, MAGA, Dem) in the EC.
MAGA naturally is going to take more traditional GOPe voters than Dems. Having said that we have a number of traditional Dems escaping the Matrix, just like we at the Treehouse have escaped the GOPe Matrix, thanks in part to Sundance who we should perhaps be calling Morpheus. Plus we have independants and disenfranchised voters that will finally have real 2nd choice. What we must not do though is cause a Dem win in a three way race scenario.
No need to start a third party. All we will get are more politicians. We don’t need politicians. We need patriots. There’s only one way to fix this commie takeover. Replace every elected official at every level: local, state and federal. Every elected politician from both parties. You can do it peacefully or by using force.
I have a peaceful solution, but it will require some sacrifice from every person who voted for Trump in the last election. If 80 million people are not willing to be patriots and sacrifice a little to save the country from the commies, then the country is not worth saving. My plan must be implemented immediately before the commies implement their draconian plans.
We immediately form a small committee of citizens in each state who will compile a list of patriots who will be appointed to fill all state elected officials, all appointed or elected judges and all elected officials at the local level. We form a small committee who will compile a list of patriots who will replace every elected federal official and all appointed federal judges and SCOTUS.
Once we have our lists of patriots willing to serve at all levels, we call for all elected officials and judges at every level, federal, state and local to immediately resign. If they refuse, we call for 80 million patriots to walk off their jobs, no matter what that job is, and refuse to return until our demands are met. Within 45 days, when there is no food, water, power or medical care or law enforcement available and anarchy is prevalent, the demands will be met.
We have the power. We must be willing to use it. There is no way a few thousand commies should be able to subjugate 80 million patriotic adults. Forget the ballot box. It is currently a thing of the past. We will restore it once we replace all of the elected officials and judges at every level. We will implement paper ballots in every state and every election with voter ID and fingerprint match. Each voter will be given a copy of the ballot cast. By law, the voter must retain the copy of the ballot for 6 months.
We will implement many other new policies that will return our country back to us. Disband 50% of government jobs. Move all federal offices out of DC and spread them out across the nation. Bull doze every federal thing in DC and leave the rubble there for eternity as a symbol of what the patriots did to save the country. Once new judges are in place and the crooked DOJ and FBI have been cleaned out, we begin indicting and prosecuting all of the crooked politicians, judges, and others.
We don’t have time to nibble at this cancer. It must be destroyed immediately. We have diagnosed it and we have the means to destroy it.
We have third parties galore. Libertarian, Constitution, Communist (if that’s your bag): why start another one – to sell stationery?
First things first – stop voting Republican. We all know elderly conservative Democrats who keep voting for the current crop of left-wing Democrats. They can’t bring themselves to switch. Don’t be pathetic like them. I think this epiphany has begun; Loeffler and Perdue both lost ground from November to January. Fool me twice, shame on me.
And whatever you do, don’t send money to any Republican candidate. McConnell and the other Party power brokers have literally $billions to disburse to the candidates they approve of. Don’t send $20 to your candidate and feel self-satisfied. You’re a sucker.
I live in Washington state. It will be Democrat forever. I am an Independent. Instead of forming another party or rebuilding the GOP, why not just run as a ghost party?
For Washington state, why not have Trump pick a candidate and run as a Democrat? That person will get the full support of Maga (GOP/DNC/IND Trump voters) as well as pick up some non-Trump voters as well as get some of the normal D votes.
Why not pick the candidate first and get them to run on the party that has the best chance of winning in that state? The Ghost party runs as R/D or Independent but it always runs as Maga!
Look, if Trump ran as a Democrat and stated what we was going to do, like he stated when he started his campaign in 2015, I would have voted for him… especially seeing how the Democratic party would be screeching that he is NOT a democrat and does NOT have democrat values.
Just a thought.
Interesting.
SD what I don’t understand is if we think we have up to 100 million supporters for a non fraudulent government they why don’t we in-mass simply refuse to pay our income taxes? As of January 2021 there are only about 190 million people employed. Seems like the corruption party would come to an end if we didn’t fund a clearly fraudulent government….
This is exactly why we need a 3rd party. They just re-elected the person who presided over the loss of the House, Senate and the Presidency with the MOST popular President since Ronald Reagan. I just love her tough talk horse crap.
Lucy is teeing up the damn football again. Are we gonna try to kick the ball or put a boot up her ass?
I think there is one salient point being missed when we discuss the option of forming a new party. It is this…we have more than enough citizens to support a new party. If we leave the GOP in droves they will no longer be a majority party. All our $$ will leave the GOP, all the grass roots support will leave the GOP party. They won’t be a viable party any longer, they will be the Whig party and will meet the same fate.
We don’t have to win elections at first to destroy the GOP, we just need to leave the plantation and it will wither on the vine. We always point to the Dem’s who won’t leave the plantation…we need to turn that same critical eye on ourselves. Its time to leave, they don’t/haven’t/won’t represent us.
When you’re in an abusive, one-sided relationship the best thing to do is leave…right? Same thing here. Leave them, ignore them, shun them….go forward into a future with a new party – the “America First Party”. People will come…
There it is. With a third party you don’t have to be the majority. You get to take their control away. Nothing gets done. It does not take many seats to get their attention. You just have to make their little game a mess. Then you just start picking them off one by one.
And for heavens sake don’t let the swamp dwellers change over into the new party unless they sign a promise to support the party plank. A new, contract for America, if you will. Don’t support the party plank and lose your financial and election support.
Exactly. Term limits/recalls/accountability need to be part of contract for any elected position.
Agreed.
MAGA will still vote with the GOPe for committee control, that doesn’t change. If we never flip a GOPe seat to the Dems and only run a MAGA candidate when we can win the three way race (GOPe, MAGA, Dem) how exactly do we mess this up.
It’s initially more of Freedom Caucus that operates outside the control of the GOPe. MAGA votes with GOPe when they align with MAGA objectives so we still win all the same votes we do now. We also lose all the same votes as well when the GOPe stabs us in the back and votes with Dems.. Basically its still the status quo, but its not Communism either, which happens if we lay waste the GOPe right now. So cycle after cycle we grow within the GOPe until at critical mass of MAGA they dissolve away, at which point its the Pro-American Party vs the Anti-American Party.
This why we only run MAGA when we can win a three way race (GOPe, MAGA, Dem). The prime directive of new party is to never flip a GOPe seat to Dem no matter what the office is, period.
We basically consume the Republican party from the inside even as we remain outside of their system of control. Basically their worst nightmare.
Why would the GOP care about our money? It mostly isn’t our money that funds them. It’s the lobbyists’ money. We need to find a way for our candidates to run with very little to no money. Word of mouth and alternate social media that won’t ban us from trying.
I’m not disagreeing with your point on the $$’s, although it would be nice to know the exact figures on lobby $$ versus regular donors. The real point is they can’t win without our support, lobby $$’s can’t vote. If we get 40-50M people in new party the GOP is dead. When they can’t win elections, the lobby $$ won’t flow to them anymore.
Laws have been passed in states like New York that make running 3rd parties nearly impossible.
It was never easy being a 3rd party in America.
Third Parties in New York are facing challenges after new election laws went into effect making it more difficult to qualify as parties and get on the ballot in upcoming elections.
According to the Associated Press, Political parties must now receive 2% of the vote — or 130,000 votes— in the previous presidential or gubernatorial election.
A state court judge’s decision earlier this year put a hold on the change, which took effect Jan. 1.
“That has become an issue for a lot of small parties, especially to compete at the state level and county level of government–and what that does is it just denies people a chance to organize and have a voice and providing candidates to an elective position,” said Vinnie Azzarelli, a representative for the Conservative Party.
Previously, a party won an automatic slot on ballots for four years if its gubernatorial candidate received 50,000 votes. A party must now qualify every two years.
Source: https://www.localsyr.com/news/your-local-election-hq/why-new-yorks-3rd-parties-are-trying-to-stay-afloat-amid-new-election-rules/
Unfortunately NewYork is also behind the Iron Curtain via a fraudulent voting system. We still have 29 States with 302 EC votes where we can put in place an honest voting system but we must do that before the 2022 election cycle or even these last States in the Republic will fall to the Communists and their fraudulent voting system.
I have run for office and supported other candidates for office. Political party infrastructure is a massive, massive undertaking, even at the local level, and creating one anew even at the state level is doomed to failure in this day and age without millions of dollars of support for that infrastructure. If you want to win an election, you need a field team on the ground: poll watchers; precinct captains; door-knockers; phone bankers, people who will write friend-to-friend cards, drive people to polls; get signatures to get people on the ballot.
To have that structure organized, you need someone managing it full time – it is NOT easy to do with volunteers. To have someone doing it full time, you need funds; and a fundraising infrastructure.
This is where the political/globalist Left has a huge organizational advantage. They are embedded in education, social service agencies, government bureaucracies, NGOs, labor unions, charitable foundations, state-funded legal activist groups, and they can put a large number of boots on the ground without quitting their day jobs (indeed, their day jobs may well be primarily political activists). They have lots of money (labor/trade unions, the trial lawyers, etc. can write 6-7 figure checks at the drop of a hat).
The political right just doesn’t have that, unless they really control, e.g., a county-wide area where you can hire for the clerks, the sheriff, DMV, etc. Campaign organizations on the political right that are outside the “machine” usually rely on volunteers on the ground game, and big corporate for the funding (main street businesses just don’t have the fundraising infrastructure big corporate has).
Also, if you are in the “machine,” particularly in blue state urban/suburban areas, that means you have a fundraising arm that is raising 200-500k-plus a year for 2-3 campaign staff plus your “official” staff plus paying for marketing and support of campaign infrastructure (which you can share with other candidates).
The best way to start attacking the Democrats is to find a way to support organizational efforts locally in the cities. City democrats have drunk the Kool-aid; they can be mugged by reality and will still feel smug and proud voting D on election day and despise R’s. BUT. If you create a “local” organization that can attack them on niche issues (“Working class party,” “America works” party, “Responsible government” party, a tax issue), you can use the data to find the right pocket to target and start building that team. Start your data by getting a permitted citizen-initiated referendum on a ballot on a “wedge” issue, or looking for one. (That will show you where in the urban area you can pick up votes to reach a majority – charter schools play well in black neighborhoods; Good Government in Smart Liberal areas; property taxes or a transportation/development issue in others). THEN find someone (or better yet, BE that someone!) who fits that bill who can knock off a D incumbent with grassroots (better still if you know the D is not liked by his or her own party infrastructure). I want to reiterate, this can be REALLY hard. Campaigning effectively as a candidate is really hard. Many urban regions will have not just 60, but 70 or 80% votes for D’s if they are contested at all.
But I know this much is true: if you can’t start breaking the Dem political stranglehold on urban machines, you will never break the Uniparty at the state or federal level. These party infrastructures are swimming in money and people and political activists, on taxpayer-funded payrolls and all sorts of corrupt insider deals.
This BTW is one reason why ideological R primaries are usually very unproductive in swing regions and lead to hatred by party insiders against the primary challenger. It isn’t personal; it’s practical. In a swing state, you know the D’s can/will outspend you 2:1 or even 10:1. If you are in a major media market, you’ll need a minimum 100k for 6 weeks of campaign message in media/digital, and another 100k for mail. Who is going to fund that? You get to the US House seat level, bump that up to a million or more, every 2 years.
Assume a US House district has 250k people in it. 80% is eligible to vote; 70% would vote. So 140k people. Split that, you’re at 70k. If you’re lucky, 1-5% will be willing to be politically interested in campaign nuts and bolts. Those 700-3500 people are your possible independent volunteer/donor/campaign infrastructure base. That is hard to get to $1M in grass roots resources.
If an R candidate is primaried, the party infrastructure powers that be know that they’ll have to spend a good chunk of the money/resources allocated for that race to the primary (and if they stay out of the primary, you are increasing the likelihood they’ll invest in other candidates for the general). Any money spent is money not available to target the D in the general. (And, your general prospects are almost always worse, statistically/historically after a primary in the “lesser” races, e.g., house/state/county/muni/school board). If ideology wins, they usually lose the general (either for inexperience or “too extreme”); if the incumbent wins, the passionate base is pissed and won’t work for the winner against the D.
And if you haven’t worked hard on at least one of your local candidates’ races, and really seen how these pieces work, please don’t make it seem like a third party MAGA is a practical reality.
To be clear: I despise these uniparty machines on both sides. But a third party for a whole host of practical reasons just doesn’t work practically outside local issues; or where one branch of the uniparty is absent (eg cities).
Maybe you’re looking at it more from a corporate perspective? What if the third party is an insurgency party? We don’t need to run candidates in every race. We don’t even have to field a candidate, we just have to be able to deny the GOP their power. We start a party that way and build to a majority party. You don’t have to start out with that huge overhead you just described. You first deny support to the GOP and attack where they’re weak. Who says you have to qualify to get on a ballot? Write in candidates. How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.
The point of starting a new party is to deny the GOP power, and then start filling the void. My opinion anyway for what it’s worth.
Actually your on the right path. We only run in elections where we can easily win a three way race (GOPe, MAGA, Dem). Where we can’t, MAGA votes for the GOPe, until we can win in three way race. At the beginning MAGA could represent over a 3rd of the voters but hold less than 1 out of 10 offices. That is just fine. As we grow the MAGA party from those we free from the matrix both of those numbers will climb in time.
The Prime Directive, is to never flip a GOPe seat to Dem, but always run when MAGA can win a three way race (GOPe, MAGA, Dem). Basically MAGA votes like the Freedom Caucus but its complete independent of the GOPe system of control. Basically the GOPe worst nightmare come true.
We do it this way because we don’t want our worst nightmare to come true. Namely if we lay waste the GOPe prematurely, we allow the Communist to take full control along with the voting system nationwide. We gradually take away the GOPe control over us that has forced us to vote for Crooks because we don’t want Communist.
You need to deny the communsocialdems power first. Stop the bleeding. Dems love GOP insights precisely because it is easier for them to win.
In my opinion, creating a genuine “conservative” law firm or law organization seems more doable than a real 3rd party because “conservative” lawyers barely exist in this country and many of the ones who claim they are “conservative” are 100% swamp, especially the ones formerly part of the Bush administration, making them no different from Democrat lawyers.
If any of you are unable to know exactly what I mean in my above statement, I basically mean a right wing or conservative version of the ACLU that actually spends time suing both Democrats and RINOs.
redlion…great comment.
Need to match up on every battlefield.The Dem fascists employ legal waefare/terrism.
The People should do same.
Hunter Biden/Joe Biden for corruption(Ukriane).etc
the Dem fascists employ legal terrism and warfare.
Are you supporting the ACLJ? They do much of the heavy lifting on conservative issues. They’re pretty successful too. They need more help financially.
https://aclj.org/
While Trump has the monetary capital, he needs a ‘voice’ in the main stream media. He can twit on Parler and Rumble; but he needs a new conservative TV station. Without that, the MSM will do the same as they did to him now.
Yes a key element of the third party will be this multi-direction information/communication system. We need to initially setup a Drudge type website that pulls together all sources of info and communication that will operate independently from the Media’s Propaganda Matrix. A website that those of us outside the Matrix can send to those we think are ready to take the red pill and see how far the rabbit hole goes. In fact I could see splash screen where the red pill takes you the site and the blue pill takes you to CNN. So it’s really a site for everybody both inside and outside the uniparty Matrix.
No doubt on 3rd party.
Stop talking and act.
Who is to lead
Who is to finance
How to certify with states
Hard, hard work ahead for everyone.
Vichy gop not welcome
2022 first candidates for hose, senate and local.
2024 presidential slate.
Let’s do it.
First message: change your registration today to independent. Sends message to vichy gop.
Well we have our Leader, soon to be citizen Donald J Trump, unfortunately. But fortunately he has more time on his hands now that he isn’t running the greatest country on Earth. For fiance I really hope he writes a book about the last four years, his amazing wife as well. With 200+ million copies sold and $20 profit we have +$4 Billion. I’m also sure various MAGA aligned organizations along with MAGA voters will pitch in as well. For many companies MAGA is more than 90% of their customers.
More than enough seed funding to stand up a 3rd Party, and run MAGA candidates for offices in which we can easily win a three way race between the (GOPe, MAGA, Dem). That’s the key we never want to flip a GOPe seat for Dem.
The MAGA party may initial only have a third of the voters registered under their banner, and only run and hold 1/10th of the offices nationwide at all levels at first. But that will grow overtime. We should also focus on the State level, and only run Nationally when we can win a three way race. States are a great place to train our MAGA recruits before they enter the DC cesspool anyway. No the best plan is to strategically consume the GOPe party from within while remaining fully outside the GOPe control. Basically their worst nightmare come true.
This also so happens to be the Communist worst nightmare as well because they were hoping to so demoralize the Republican voting base against the GOPe, which they did, that they could win nearly all offices nationwide and institute one Communist party rule along with fraudulent voting system fixes that in place forever. At some point the people just stop voting like in China.
Once we consume the GOPe from within their will only be two parties. The American First Party and the America Last Party. There will longer be any confusion for the average ‘American’ which party represent their interests.
Who will publish the book? No one. And who will distribute it? Amazon? Folks, we need to wake up. The Great Reset is underway and nothing will function like we’ve known before. We are on the verge of an authoritarian dark age or war or both. We have to recapture our voting system in this country and we have to do it now. Nothing else matters.
I agree that our top priority is to get clean elections. But President Trump still might be able to write and distribute a book.
President Trump can write an ebook, and put it onto a web server. The book can be on web pages, or it can be a downloadable pdf file. He can either allow free downloads of the pdf file, or charge for the downloads.
The hard part is getting a secure internet hosting company to host his book. Most large companies like Amazon have the skill and resources to protect their files against cyber attacks. But companies that can protect themselves against cyber attack might be bullied into not hosting President Trump’s book.
Agree on the voting system.
We need to purge the GOP from within. Recruit strong conservative candidates. Work to reform the RNC, get rid of people like McDaniel. There is no hope for reforming the NRCC and the NRSC, they are an incumbent protection racket. We need to shake them out, but that’s another mission. Primary every Republican including Ted Cruz! We also need to start challenging the Dems on their own turf and replace the Dems with Repubs. Until we accomplish this starting a third party is a futile effort and it will go nowhere.
We already have a third party… we are the Christians…
The Democrats and Rino’s are the “Party of Satan” , for those who believe in Abortion… that is wrong side…If a person has not seen the criminality from the left … they are calling good evil, and evil good…
i could go on and on…
Just changed my party affiliation in CO to unaffiliated. In our state I can still vote in a primary but I have to declare which one.
Now maybe I can quit getting solicitations for more money.
I’m in CO and changed to unaffiliated too. I was given the option to receive ballots from all major parties and didn’t have to pick one.
The Republic died on Jan. 6th, after the disgraceful and cowardice actions of Republican Party leaders and lawmakers. They caved and turned over the keys of the government to the fraudulent and lawless Democrat Party, never again to be a major Party.
The Republican Party is now dead to me because they did nothing to challenge the massive fraud that occurred on Nov. 3rd.
By not challenging the obvious election and voter fraud supported by more than a thousand testimonial affidavits under the penalty of perjury, they basically told those courageous citizens that they were liars. The Republican lead legislatures in those swing states were informed in mid November they had the power to challenge the results and unconstitutional violations by their own state officials, and did nothing.
The Republican politicians turned their back on the entire GOP voter base. Who do they think are their voters going forward?
This is what is going to happen. Someone, possibly Don Jr. is going to create a new Party that will be a populous party that embraces the complete Trump doctrine, policies, and vision, and the only voters left in the RNC will the just the never Trumpers or Establishment RINO’s. There go the nearly 75 million supporters of Trump to the Party. The GOP will barely have a pot to piss in.
Furthermore, many of the Consertative caucus Republicans will switch to the new Party once it is established and they will primary the hell out of every establishment never Trumper Republican in 2022.
The worst part is, even if that never happens, the Dems have already fixed the elections, so Republicans will never win a seat again. As Stalin once said, “It is not who votes that counts, it is who counts the votes that matter”. Well, we all witnessed that in the Nov. 3rd election. After a 70 year push by the Communists within our country, they finally hit pay dirt. Starting Jan. 20, the Democrat Communist Party will stack the deck in every manner to prevent the GOP from ever being a major Party again. They will become extinct like the Whig Party. The darkness will descend on this nation at that time, so be ready for some very troubled times ahead.
The new Trumpian Party or whatever they wind up calling it, will become the dominant major party resisting the Dem Communists.
Random thoughts.
Turley never mentions how the Democrat Party was successfully infiltrated and “reformed” from within by the communists. That, in my opinion, is a better example than Brexit party or other ephemeral European populist party.
It took decades of relentless brainwashing in schools, community organizing, destruction of traditional values, gradual implementation of cultural Marxism (as a prelude to economic Marxism) and the deliberate demographic shift to fundamentally transform first the party and eventually the country it governs. That’s how it is done. Evolution. Encroachment. Baby steps. From “we just want love and equality” to cancel culture. There was no need to create a third party (numerous “third parties” already exist, like Green, Libertarian and other fringe parties) because any relatively large leftist party would just split the vote and result in the Republicans winning every election. That’s why bernies of this world will always run as Democrats. While they might not win the nomination outright, they continue to steer the Rat wagon to the left and influence the party platform. That’s the goal.
It would take an enormous effort to reclaim the culture and re-educate, for the lack of a better term, the brainwashed population. Not sure it is even possible. Contrary to President’s claim, voters are not smart. They are gullible and highly susceptible to demagoguery. That’s a pitfall of democracy. With the fake news media, communist Academia and Chinese money influencing the public opinion, the outcome is predictable.
Don’t get me wrong, I am not averse to the idea of the third party per se. I’ve never been a member of any party but, as a conservative, I would donate to any viable alternative to GOPe. Key word — viable.
Any populist movement can be highjacked by opportunistic scum ( another Marco or Nikki) or sabotaged (Q trust-da-plan psyops). It is painful to admit that our side is as gullible as the other.
Any party that wants to become relevant needs a professional organization backed by serious money. Money shouldn’t be a problem. But it is vitally important to have the right people in charge, able to work as a team and not undermine each other for personal aggrandizement or discredit the movement with outlandish conspiracy theories. No Bannons or Lin Woods or Roger Stones anywhere near, that is the recipe for disaster. Needless to say, no establishment wormtongues either. And of course, someone has to start the process. Could that be Donald Trump? Maybe. He will have to deal with his own problems, though, because the Hyenas are not going to leave him in peace. He also needs to reclaim his real estate empire. So, he might not be willing to embark on yet another adventure but who knows, maybe he will at least help with primarying Murkowski and other RINO in 2022. TRUMP TV could be great. His sons seem eager to start a career in politics, though. But there will never be another Donald J. Trump.
Rally to the flag. I am a Patriot. No longer conservative, Republican, Tea Party or whatever else. Patriot.
America Party or bust! ?? MAGA!!
Whatever party we start, we need to have term limits in our bylaws. Any of our candidates may not run again after two terms in congress. That is the only way we can set term limits.
Our representatives haven’t represented us for far too long. They’ve lived in D.C. for far too long and forgot what it was like to live a normal American life.
Not going to come close to reading all 1K comments on this thread, but of the few I’ve had time to read, I find it more than a little absurd that voting is still consistently being thought of as a viable and functional mechanism. Remember, all voting henceforth will be counted on machines running Smartmatic software. We just did that. At the height of our power. I need not elaborate.
Parties, and frankly anything political at this point is entirely irrelevant. The one and only issue we have before us is the existential imperative of purging these seditious systems in every state and replacing them with a standardized, open source voting system. If that does not happen, by 2022, all the parties in the world will be utterly meaningless.
The authoritarian crackdowns are already beginning. If we don’t regain control of our voting system, and do it NOW, we face war, dissolution, or dark age, all of which will end the United States. I’m sure all of this has already been posted 100 times on this thread, but I’ll add 101.
I through with the RNC. For decades they have said the right things and then did the opposite always claiming it was a good time to make a stand. They morphed into a good cop bad cop routine with the Democratic Party. McConnell is spineless and could never control all his members. It won’t change and as has shown since Obama ascended it is escalating. At no time in my life have I witnessed the coalition of like minded, fed up patriots that President Trump represented. That force is waiting to be led and taken where it will thrive. Abandon the RNC, give them no money and no votes for what that’s worth. The RNC has failed at every step and the anger you see today is due to the Party doing absolutely nothing to help thei Representative, President Trump.
Donald Trump is a spent force, now he will pay for all of US who he spoke for. The Left will hound him and destroy his character perhaps imprison him. Why? Because they truly believe if the cut the head off the body will die. Trump means nothing to them, we are their targets and they say that every time the open their mouths. They are un afraid, emboldened by the sheer audacity of the fraud perpetrated at the election and with their take down of President Trump. They believe the rest will melt away. Those that don’t they will do all in their considerable power to ruin by any means necessary until All get the message. It is going to get far far worse.
The Tea Party failed for many reasons but primarily because it was leaderless. Perhaps Donald Trump will still succeed in leading the flock he represented away from Washington but that is as far as he will go. Somebody else must step up. Where Trump failed is he valiantly fought alone, every volley from the Left hit him, his Party did nothing and his followers had only votes and contributions, no real power. The Left learned that lesson long ago and they infiltrated academia, Courts, bureaucracy, media, entertainment, big business and the legislature. Supporters of President Trump had only him as the RNC knows the Left has all the cards in place. Now we will see the second shoe drop, as technology grips all things there will be no means to organize, no way to communicate, no place to assemble. They are attempting to close off all the exits out of their prison.
Now is the time the 75 million and then some freedom loving fence sitters make a move to organize set up their own infrastructure with their own means. If anyone thinks the Left has not thought out this to the nth degree is mistaken. Your supplies and equipment, your financial help will also be cut off. It’s total war. Pray it’s not your food, heat health care but I’m betting these to are now weapons.
Some say the storming of the Capital was unAmerican. Nothing could be further from the truth as that is our history, we invoke it every 4th of July. That is how this Country was formed and those that succeeded warned us how we would lose it. The protest was long overdue and when it came it was directed against the actual institution that denied justice, took away their 75 million votes as the Courts said so that straw men would not be disenfranchised. As Nancy Pelosi pukes out words “for our brave men and women in uniform” her party purposely destroyed or changed their ballots. The Left destroyed personal property, harmed innocent bystanders and Washington, the media, Hollywood cheered them as patriots. Strike a blow for freedom by creating a new force that will finally push back at our oppressors. My two cents and then some.
Yes, they can. And they will.
Let’s have a paradigm shift. The perceptual reality of this situation is not to see this as forming a “third” party, we are forming a truly second party. Uni-party, that’s one, Patriots that’s two and with 75-80 million Americans switching over that party affiliation from current Republican and/or Democrat to a new Patriot party, that will definitely create political “pucker-factors” of -10 within the Uni-party.
I have read some of the comments below, but certainly not all of them. They are all good. I do think, however, we need to start at a, “smaller” level. We need to re-build society at large.
The PROBLEM is with our entire society. Conservatives, GENUINE conservatives, need to go to church. Hopefully it is a conservative congregation. If not, shop around. Get to know all your neighbors. Be as helpful and friendly as possible. We must change HEARTS before heads.
I know I am still steaming at the last 50 years of our unfaithful Catholic bishops. VERY few have been faithful, although there have been some, God Bless them. Those Judas bishops are the most responsible for ALL this destruction, along with those Judas priests and nuns, and even some lay teachers. Heck, look at PF. Don’t get me started.
But, there are some faithful priests, and bishops out there who are starting to rebuild society (check out Fr. James Altman on YT!!!) The Church has done this before, rebuilding society after the fall of the Roman Empire, and will do it again. Will it be easy? No. Will it be fast? No. Not fast enough for me, for sure.
But, The Church is Christ’s Church, and He is protecting it, as He has since the Apostles stepped out. There are many false shepherds; ignore them, and look for the best. Read and study. History, including Church History, is an excellent place to start.
Build families. Large, faithful families.
In the meantime, pray and fast for our greatest president and our nation. Remember God wins!!!!
I guess us Protestants are to left out in the cold.