The question around a third party has been debated on the pages of CTH for over a decade. After CTH researched each of the last four UniParty U.S. presidential elections we came to the conclusion in 2015 it was necessary to break the two-club system.
It was the need for a third party; and CTH recognizing Donald Trump as the outside pragmatic independent voice who personified a third option; that initiated our 2015 support for what everyone was calling the “long-shot” outsider candidate at the time.
With the American electorate now awake to political issues around the UniParty; and with evidence of 74 million+ Trump voters, and entrenched republican party unwillingness to be an independent second party option; the question about a third party is far more prevalent. In this video Dr Steve Turley uses the example of Brexit in 2019 to highlight how a third party in the U.S. could actually succeed. WATCH:
We need to deal with the voting integrity issues on a state level, that is where we must engage and fight to fix issues with ballot fraud. That fix requires state legislation to address and control mail-in ballot use. They cannot use the COVID excuse forever.
Then, and only then, I would take the third party discussion one step further….
… Given what we have witnessed in the past four years, how can we fathom NOT creating a third party? The two current parties, democrat and republican, are wings of the exact same big government bird. There is no viable option except to form another party.
The “reform from within” proposal is a good idea; meaning to take over the apparatus of the GOP and force change from within the party. However, unlike the EU models cited there are structural protective systems within the DNC and RNC that protect them from being taken over. We are seeing that structural issue with RNC support for newly elected terrible candidates like Mitt Romney in 2018.
The RNC doesn’t even attempt to field or enlist candidates against weak or ineffective republican incumbents. Exactly the opposite is true. The RNC will not support, with logistics or data sharing as examples, any primary challenges against incumbent Republican politicians.
This is how the club retains control and protection over the members; so it is somewhat of a futile effort to attempt to takeover a party that has built in self-defense mechanisms. Just look at how the RNC structurally failed to legally (or proactively) support President Trump, because from the outset never passed the club’s entry and purity test.
As a consequence a third party is needed even if you want to take over the republican party as the long-term goal. There needs to be an architecture, a framework, for a challenger to mount a primary effort against an incumbent RINO or uniparty republican.
The primary challenge framework needs to include independent fundraising systems outside the RNC control. That independent financial mechanism is how Donald Trump was eventually able to mount a successful insurgency against the RNC candidates in 2016.
Without a third party influence; and considering the rule-books used by the RNC; the predictable 2024 republican presidential election will field these final four candidates.
DeSantis is closest to MAGA. Noem is MAGA-lite with Koch Brothers edge. Haley will be the supported RNC candidate. Cruz (term expires in 2024) will play the role of controlled opposition, conservative-base splitter, all while gaining material wealth.
CTH can clearly see this traditional RNC approach with Nikki Haley in 2024 as the establishment front-runner like Jeb Bush in 2016.
If we do not initiate an outsider option using the MAGA community as the base, these four will be used by the RNC to install Nikki Haley.
The final RNC club argument will come down to club elites who demand that a woman be the next Republican front-runner. Those same elites will have “Palinized” Kristi Noem by implanting club operatives inside the Noem camp intended to undermine her campaign.
Any candidate working inside the RNC club structure will be vulnerable to the RNC club leveraging against them at a specific moment. The club pick is already well known to those who have: (a) followed the club ¹events; (b) followed the years of club rule-books; and (c) who know the exact road-map the club deploys for every election.
[¹Use CTH site search tool. Type in “Nikki Haley – then spend a few hours catching up]
If there is no outside candidate with independent resources the club will pick Nikki Haley just like the club was trying to pick Jeb Bush (’16)…. just like the club picked Mitt Romney (’12),.. just like the club picked John McCain (’08)… Wash-Rinse-Repeat.
The outsider (3rd party candidate) needs to be the MAGA candidate, and that structural support needs to exist early on, just like outsider Trump was able to create in 2015.
We need to work on this soon and create the third-party endorsement system quickly to start preparing with valid candidates for the 2022 mid-term primary races.
Perhaps those advocating to stop voting republican don’t have a republican governor they like, or even live in a republican county with a republican sheriff….
if you have something to conserve, you should probably save it. There is still hope for changing the republican party at local and state level, but beyond that, probably not, for now…
if you disagree, give me specifics. if all you have to say is that I’m crazy, then don’t bother with your comment. Now is the time for discussion, not hysterics.
We’re skeptical, not suicidal. By all means vote locally if the election process isn’t rigged.
Great handle.
I don’t disagree with your over all thinking, where I disagree is with the republican aspect.
State and local are absolutely correct, I have been working on a plan to use a handful of states to overtake the fed and end this mess.
What I find is that in the end, most people don’t care enough about change to actually be involved. We will want our problems fixed for us.
Soros, who I think gets too much credit sometimes has done one thing that’s put them over the top. That was investing in overtaking local / state positions.
Methinks many of those you reference would jump ship out of GOP and into Trump’s Rexit Party.
Not going to get Burned twice. Go third party would be easy for Demos to keep control. Without 50% Rexit would NOT work, Demos forever
Elections with the current security are pointless. Regardless though, the “takeover the party from within” narrative has been sold since before Reagan. It doesn’t work. When the walls of a building are rotten to the core, you cannot fix it. It has to be torn down and a new one built.
The Whig party was similar to the modern Republican party. Promises made and none kept. People got disgusted with it and started a new party. The Republican party. It took 4 years (2 election cycles) for the Whig party to go extinct and for the new party to take its place. Since it has been corrupted over time, it is time for a replay of that.
We need to learn from the Dems. What they do VERY successfully is they find the pressure points for politicians. In some cases that’s personal. In most cases, it’s their financial backers. So you find out who the backers are and then you apply pressure to them. Millionaires really don’t like having people follow them around, yelling at them with bullhorns that they are murderers, etc. They don’t like having their twitter accounts inundated with opposition.
The one thing you have to avoid is any threat of actual violence. They will not hesitate to designate MAGA as a terrorist organization given any pretence at all.
Bingo!
Thought they had done that already.
How many here actually think they can fix the democrat party? Anyone? Seriously.
If you think you can rip the uniparty apart and then completely clean up and rebuild the gop, then there shouldn’t be any problem doing the same to the democrats, right?
First, go back and read everything that Sundance has written on having our own party.
It essentially won’t be a third party unless the uniparty splits, and that won’t happen. They all know too much about each other.
Then, just as importantly, look back over the past 50 years.
Exactly right. Reform the Demos. Trump put a big dent in their armor.
Organize a political party just for your state.
AFP. America First Party. Ball cap half blue and red. Blue in back with one white star in the middle. Red in front with embossed script : America First in blue over the red field. Same with flag. “America First” in cursive blue letters over the field of red and white stripes.
Betsy Ross II, where are you?
bunky: A third party is a loser from the start. All it will accomplish is to install even more progressives.
Democrats and their GOPe Republican allies have now validated blatant election fraud as an accepted means of keeping the globalists and the progressives in power. Will those Democrats and their GOPe Republican allies ever allow themselves to be voted out of office when it is they who control who counts the votes, and therefore it is they who will choose the winner of any future national election?
That’s exactly what people don’t seem to understand. With blatant unchecked election fraud, and the SC turning a blind it to it, it’s a done deal. From this point on all elections are questionable, there won’t be any unseating of anyone, or electing anyone new if the uniparty doesn’t want it. If it looks like an outsider candidate might win, simply dump some votes to change the outcome. This applies to all elections, down to dog catcher.
You speak utter truth. Doing the same thing over and over (voting) and expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity.
It cannot be reformed from within. What do conservatives do best? Conserve. Time to form our own team, game, rules, laws, economies, schools, and especially media–
Sprout up like a weed in their garden. Oops. Did I mean to say
like a flower in their weeds……very carefully….mustard seed rising….
BINGO
Sundance: you can’t challenge a Republican in a REP primary unless you are a R, no third party can intrude. Now the general election is a different story. But let me tell you from experience that even if you are successful, as a R, to challenge and win against the chosen one (whether an incumbent or not), that losing R will run as a independent – fracture the vote – and the DEM wins. AND THEY DON”T CARE!!!
So in the party or outside as a 3rd party – the result will be the same. Even at the local level.
Example: Northern Va (Loudoun and Prince William counties). They became majority R, for the first time since the Civil War in the early 90’s, but within 10 years the “moderates” were being overcome by the conservatives, so the GOPe formed coalitions with D’s and “independents” (losers of the primaries) and won that way. They destroyed the cohesion of the party because they could not control it anymore. Both counties are now BLUE (it also didn’t help that the influx of H1-B’s from INDIA and others brought their socialist was with them).
To those of you saying they will steal our votes. Yes of course they will again. It’s what they do
However, we can make their lives MISERABLE.
Those in power have HUGE ego. Huge! They want to fit in.
Get off their email list and switch your voter registration., That small step is a slap on their condescending faces.
Also donations are public info. The whole world will know they have no supporters (only big donors). If we all donate to the MAGA candidate the whole world will know…. that… that’s where we went to.
It will be known, stealing votes will be more difficult, GOP primary will have the lowest turn out EVER. They can’t hide that. Believe it or not they have to hide from other countries their theft. They don’t want to lose credibility like that. It had to be hidden. But with the info public, it will be hard.
We can vote in the Ds primary to mess them up good. The won’t be able to predict how any votes they need to steal. Let’s gang up agains their incumbents and make their lives difficult.
The one thing we cannot do is the same thing again. That is madness.
If they reach record breaking
If any of you think a movement such as the Tea Party is not a threat to the swamp why do you thing they went after us viciously?
Why they go after Trump viciously?
We need to keep going.
I am now registered. America first. Reforming the Republican party is a joke. They take your money and laugh in your face. It’s a big club and we’re not in it except for our money. Take our 70 million people support and fight the big club from outside..
Yes!
Exactly right ! Imagine McConnell with only 30 senators to lead. Completely powerless. The progs would do damage but they would implode do to all their little groups infighting. The vast public is not in support of what Pelosi and Schumer have in store. The party would be destroyed in a very short time. We’ve all seen how insane they are, they would eat each other alive. We have a God to console us in the mean time. Live your best life!
Well Said !!!!
In order to get the GOPe’s attention and get any kind of reform you have to get their attention. .What do you think would be the conversation in GOPe Headquarters if a million R’s sent their fundraising material back with the phrase “WE DON’T BELIEVE YOUR LIES ANYMORE” . Starving the beast might just get their attention. Instead of a new party, how about a new PAC where MAGA folks can donate. A PAC with a few hundred million in the bank that only supports MAGA candidates will get their attention. I nominate Sundance as the first director of this PAC. As Jesse Unruh said years ago “money is the mothers milk of politics” If you have the money, you get to make the rules.
Can you imagine the money just Treepers could raise? Now add in a few million of like minded folks.
cross posted https://freedomaustralia.freeforums.net/thread/688/time-start-third-party
400+ million things to shoot with and only one good American gets shot in the 2021 American Revolution.
Sorry to be pessimistic but it won’t matter. With the successful and massive vote fraud accomplished 3rd party doesn’t matter. The GOP is effectively dead and has been for a long time. This was just the final nail in the coffin.
The establishment elites will now rig every election, local/state/national to maintain power. I will try and work locally on things but nationally. I’m done.
The argument that well if we don’t vote GOP or we don’t have an effective 3rd party for a voice is a fools errand. We will get establishment elites anyway and they will be progressives. The ship is sinking fast and we are past the point of no return.
You speak utter truth. It’s hard to face but we must. It’s too late. The mother ship is dying. All life dies from the periphery inward. The body protects the heart at all costs. I know this, because I was lying next to my husband when they turned off the life supports. All blood rushes from the fingers and toes, arms and legs to the heart in an attempt to keep it alive.
We must conserve the Heartland and are well positioned to do so. The country, like a person, expires from the coasts inward. It is time to get to work building, building, building. Trump is a builder. Israel is tiny compared to us (I have driven from one end to the other). And look at her!
If you are waiting for the states to fix voter fraud, you should take my grandmother’s advice:
“Wish in one hand and spit in the other and see which one fills up the fastest.”
If we had a third party, wouldn’t they have standing to file lawsuits against
a fraudulent election? Just like we expected the republicans to do?
Those lawsuits… where did they go?
I clearly remember Jill Stein filing in Pennsylvania. There was a recount until they found massive fraud and stopped the count.
We don’t need to go third party. Our group has a method for selecting and supporting candidates in R primaries that works. Based on the Buckley Rule, we support the most conservative candidate who has a path to victory. We do not support candidates who have no chance of winning. For 11 years, we have produced a voter guide and we mail it to targeted voters and hand it out at the polls. Once our candidate wins the primary, the R party kicks in to help. http://www.TexasPatriotsPAC.com
Admin, it is getting interesting, that comments (both original and replies as well as other’s original comments linked to my replies) associated with my ID seem to be fading in and out, depending upon one’s log-in status.
A party of the people, the working class, those of us that are the actual doers in this country would be fantastic. Republicans stand for nothing; slithering little earthworms. Dems simply crave power at all costs and are supremely corrupt. There needs to be an honest party to protect the honest hard working people that make this country work. It needs to support all of us; black, white, hispanic, whomever whose goals are the living and thriving of the Great American Dream. The current elitism that permeates the political and government class has to be crushed.
We should have always required the political class to prove to “WE The People”, without a shadow of doubt that every election is true without any trace of malfeasance. Illegal voting has long been a part of our system and this time it caused us our President. It cannot be allowed to ever happen again or the American experiment has failed us all.
I honestly believe there is nothing to lose by going third party. I have been writing in candidates for years when voting. I refused to vote for Marsha Blackburn when she ran for Senate. I knew what a mush she is and was. She teamed up with Gutierez of IL to support Puerto Rico as a state. I have friends who were instrumental in getting Marsha elected to her 1st term as the first female US Rep in TN. After a couple terms she was too embarrassed by these women. Never did vote for Lamar but I gave Bill Haggerty a chance even though I figured he was Bill Haslam lite. After the cheat with this election I don’t see a chance for a conservative to get elected as President. Even President Trump isn’t conservative but he is the best we have had in my lifetime. I think he was better than Reagan. The GOP is as anti American as the Donkeys.
Honestly, I’d rather take our party back. It will be quite fun kicking the sell outs like McConnell and Paul out while we take back control.
I refuse to vote for an incumbent republican. I don’t give a damn if Satan is running in the primary, my vote will be going to beelzebub before I vote for another republican incumbent.
Voting integrity has been destroyed, the left do not play games, they take what they want and have no concern about criminality as they control courts, law enforcement and media. The Uniparty is an interesting discussion but will be unnecessary when the left takes full control. There won’t be a need for the 2 party game and the ones playing it from the R side will be expunged. Communist China doesn’t play that game. The Uniparty will look good in the rear view mirror.
Supporting the GOPe certainly hasn’t worked and they sabotaged the president at every turn…and trying to get the MAGA agenda through them hasn’t worked well because voters keep sending pols like McConnell back to DC.
We have a problem. Sorry about long post but this requires deliberate and systematic steps to get where we want.
There are proven methods out there for problem solving. I taught some of the Total Quality, Six Sigma, TQM, lean, etc. methods. First thing is to define the problem, so let’s start there.
Reading this thread, I see a few that must be prioritized. Let’s just list some to start.
Voter errors, fraud, irregularities.
Media blocking and bias.
Political parties unwilling to look past their own interests.
Funding
laws not being enforced.
General population disinterested.
And we could probably list a lot more.
The problem solving method requires thorough analysis of all the problems and determining which ones can be solved and which ones have priority.
Let’s start by looking at just one. Media bias. To define this problem we have to list all the effects the problem causes and all possible solutions no matter how outlandish they may seem. The problem needs to always be defined in terms of time and dollars.
For example: Media bias causes people to spend extra hours finding alternative sources to get a message out. This costs $$$$$. Media bias causes people to believe incorrect information. This costs $$$$$ to try and convince them otherwise. Media bias causes people to vote with lack of or no information at all. This causes $$$$ to be spent trying to overcome and winners can turn out to be not what people expected. This list may get very large.
To solve the problem we have to come up with a process that can be measured in those dollars defined. When a process is implemented and the dollars spent are less, we might be able to say the problem is solved. But wait, this requires ongoing monitoring of the process and tweaking it regularly to continue to improve and making sure that it’s the process, not some outside factor. An example would be a charismatic person wins an election and we might think, no more problem. But is that due to the process or that persons personality, or looks, or the other candidate simply a loser?
Some questions. Why do we have media bias? Are reporters indoctrinated once they have a job or does it come from education or is it that the left simply is more interested in that job than the right. All of these questions and more must be asked, tracked, and measured or the path that is taken to solve the problem is simply the wrong one.
Many people do not have the patience to go through this. That could result in jumping to conclusions as to what the root cause really is. What this is all about is finding that root cause and addressing problems at their base level. Start small, develop the discipline, knowledge and skills, then work out from there.
So, here is my vote for first problem. There is not an organization available that even allows the problem solving to begin. If we don’t have a structured organized way to communicate, or “party” if you will, we’ll get nowhere. This forum is a start but there needs to be a grassroots, in person, possibly secretive way of moving forward.
If you don’t have the patience to read through this or all the comments in this thread, you will be very frustrated. It is not an easy method because it appears no progress is being made and people quit just as they are getting close to solutions.
There have been attempts to integrate quality management systems into government but as I’ve seen first hand in a large MN county, entrenchment of the swamp is so pervasive it hasn’t taken off in many places. I saw “Why do we need that”, attitude. “It’s worked fine so far”. But the people who say that have no experience in the private sector having to be productive and responsible and measure their performance against a reasonable expectation of the taxpayer.
https://asq.org/quality-resources/total-quality-management
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Sigma
https://asq.org/gov/2017/08/process-management/a-framework-for-government-agency-quality-management-systems.pdf
This sounds like a solid suggestion. I would be interested in participating in defining problems and exploring solutions. What about a Zoom call (or some other alternative) made up of volunteers from CTH to just get the ball rolling. Maybe things won’t look so dismal if we start to work on something. People who comment on this website seem to have extraordinary skills. It would be amazing to put together a plan.
“The RNC doesn’t even attempt to field or enlist candidates against weak or ineffective republican incumbents. Exactly the opposite is true. The RNC will not support, with logistics or data sharing as examples, any primary challenges against incumbent Republican politicians.”
An additional issue that I believe must be part of this discussion: THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
How much of our problems can be traced back to CoC policies to promote the continued degradation of wages for working class citizens. I’m open to listening and being educated here so let me know if the CoC is not one of our biggest problems.
Add it to the list. They are misguided in simply wanting cheap labor. Are Chinese products better quality? No but they are cheap. Does hiring cheap labor really improve your long term business? No.
People keep throwing around the 80 million voters number as some sort of magical figure that preserves President Trump and his closest allies as a political force as well as keeps them and his family safe from the STATE. They are NOT safe from the STATE by any means.
First the number is NOT 80 million but more like 40 million as 50% of the voters who supported him still have blind faith in the word of the MSM.
Second, what good is any number of voters if the candidate is put in prison by the STATE or worse. Get real people, the power of Donald Trump is now in the idea of MAGA he created, the fact he exposed the identity of the enemy and the symbology of his accomplishments. New leaders are now needed move forward.
The 3rd Party is at this point a great option, fist as a power in being to influence as well as gain members by further exposing the enemy and then over time as power that can elect. Start thinking long term beyond 2022.
Keep in mind that the States that have open primaries, like Texas, the Uniparty selects the candidates for both Democrats and Republicans. I don’t agree with open primaries for the following reasons. Remember how Mitch McConnell got the Rinos and Democrats in Mississippi to elect the demented Thad Cockran in his runoff when challenged by Tea Party member Chris McDaniels. The Democrats that voted for Cockran in the primary then vote for Democrats in the November general election. Mitch was just reelected for another six years. Remember 95% of incumbents get reelected. So I think it will be nearly impossible to successfully primary most Republican incumbents so a third party is the only way I can see to seriously challenge the GOPe. I hope it happens.
Bubby…100% correct.
A third party, with all its difficulties, is the ONLY way.
also , a clear message needs to be sent now to the UniParty…America wants a divorce.
Without election integrity at the state level all the political analysis is moot. Tip of the spear now should be focused on pressuring state legislatures to enact paper ballots only, and voter ID (a high hurdle for these corruptocrats).
I spoke to someone who may be willing to run against an incumbent Dem. state official yesterday.
We have to talk to each other on the street, wherever we find each other.
If fraud voting machines continue to be used it won’t matter if you have a third party.
Besides that, why not completely take over the GOP that Trump built? Why retreat and give them all Trump’s work – mailing lists, supporter lists and organization etc? Third parties usually have to start out locally and built up a reputation for credibility. Remember Ross Perot and the Reform Party? All they did was become a spoiler and let the DEM win. Let’s learn from that and not repeat that. Exile the GOPe and let them scramble for a new home.
No thanks! Shame the GOPe and kick them out!
From Don Koenig at “The Prophetic Years”:
“Unless the truth comes out quickly, this false flag speeds up the timeline for state and corporate persecution. Remember, that historically the left first used rhetoric against their enemies, and then when they had the support they needed they started rounding them up. I can’t express how evil and despicable many of the leaders in Washington are. They are satanic liars that cannot be reasoned with. They hate everyone and everything Godly.”
https://www.thepropheticyears.com/enddepravity/globalism-will-come-but-not-the-way-great-reset-elitists-believe.html#comment-8682
Sundance & Patriotic Supporters,
Please consider this suggestion; to break 2 party system, or Uniparty,
is to have all legal voters disengage from any and all parties, by registering
as Non-Affiliated or Independent(also disengage financially).
This could be done quickly, and would have
an immediate impact on The Power of each party,
it would also reduce or eliminate Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Career Politicians
from using The Party’s Money and influence for their personal advantage.
What say you friends?
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As more and more companies openly discriminate against conservatives in their war on free speech, it’s critical that you become highly selective with who you do business with. Don’t give a dollar to companies who use the same tactics as communist regimes.
Exactly! Economic Discrimination is entirely Legal. This tactic must be employed on Local levels as well. If the say…hardware store you shop at is owned by someone you know to be a Liberal in their political beliefs…then do not shop there, do not let them profit off of you. The actual goal should be to put as many liberal democrat businesses out of business as possible!
There’s a big problem – “We need to deal with the voting integrity issues on a state level,”. But many (most?) states are run by the Uniparty and not interested in reform. My soon-to-be-former-home-state of California is a one party state, the powers that be are wholly owned subsidiaries of the public employees’ unions.
I changed my voter registration to libertarian in 1988, because even after two terms of Reagan it was clear to me the Republican party was just democrat-light. They were both going the same direction, the Rs just wanted to go slower and not spend quite as much money along the way. Not that I’m particularly enamored with the Libertarian party, but I wanted my registration to reflect my beliefs in free markets, free individuals and small government. Of course my little statement has zero effect on the outcome of anything. And we don’t know how many of the 74 million voters voted for Trump because of him and his policies vs how many voted for him simply because he was nominally an R.
I’d love a new party, but not optimistic for its chances. Hope I’m wrong. What can we normals do to make it happen?
I feel the same way as you.
Unless we can get this voting system to change then we are not going to win anything
I will absolutely support President Trump if he moves forward with a third party. I’m reading all these comments about what happened with Clinton. Ross Perot was NO Trump.
It will work and the Eeyores on here need to stop already.
Back then corruption was hidden. MSM controlled the information 100%
Different times.
Ross Perot was a first step towards our awakening, as Kleen says, back when corruption was better hidden.
TEA Party was a big step forward, until the Rs co-opted them. Our eyes were opened some more.
MAGA was a huge leap, and the dirty tricks and betrayals needed to set us back were equally huge. More and more eyes are wide open now. We’re ready to do something different.
This is the email I sent to the Chairman of my County in Florida Republican Party. I have removed certain personally identifiable information.
Subject: Resigning From the Republican Party
Dear (Name Removed),
I struggled with whether to write to you but I feel that you, as my most direct representative of the Republican Party, deserve to hear what I intend and why.
The duplicity of the Republican Party over the last decade or so has become so obvious and so egregious that I was moved over the last few weeks to resign from the GOP and register as an Independent in Florida.
However, once I thought about it more thoroughly and given that Florida is a “Closed Primary” state I have reconsidered and will continue to be registered as a Republican.
As I promised in emails I sent to both Florida Senators recently I intend to support, donate to, encourage and volunteer for Primary challengers in opposition to every incumbent Republican office holder. I plan to continue this until every last one of them is replaced with representatives who prove that they will fight for me and my family and my Country and who will shun the “UniParty” and its perpetual feeding trough of graft, self interest and corruption.
I have had enough of being taken for granted and being a patsy.
Resolutely,
(Name Removed)
(County Name Removed) County, Florida Voter and former Republican stalwart
I have read nothing but comments since this horrible day happened and have been looking for answers but there does not seem to be one that everyone agrees on . I have felt like my insides have been pulled out. This is bigger then anything I can do!
I came and have stayed here because of the people who believe in God and prayer. For me the only thing that works is to return to God and share the Gospel with as many people as I can. We are told in scripture that times like this will come and I most decide who I put my faith in.
When Pence betrayed Pres. Trump all I could think about was how Jesus felt the night he was betrayed. For me history is repeating itself and so I ask myself have I learned nothing? Many people in the world have prayed but our timing is not God’s so maybe it is time to step back and truly look at this. For me this is good v evil and so this is battle for God to fight with evil. God tells us, “the battle is mine” says the
Lord!
Time to turn my eyes to loving my family, friends and neighbor. To live the best life yet now. I refuse to let evil, the devil, have one more moment of my precious time here on earth!
Maybe if I turn my anger to love I will finally see the good in this world and how I can make it happier for someone else.
For believers in Christ this is not our home we are just passing through. Have faith in the one who gave His life for us. Pray for those who do evil because they are lost and have no hope of a new life after death!
I am 70 years old and have seen a lot and I have decided to focus on God and love and know in the end He has already won the final battle.
My question to me and everyone is who do we put our trust in, God or man! Love is there just be willing to open our eyes and see! Stay strong CTH family!
“The “reform from within” proposal is a good idea; meaning to take over the apparatus of the GOP and force change from within the party.” However it has failed.. From within at the top (POTUS) all that was possible was to drain the swamp and expose the swamp creatures.
Third Party – as more than a party.. it has to be a single unified MOVEMENT – boycotss, places we choose to buy from TOGETHER, etc.
As far as the video goes I’m going to paraphrase the old Wendy’s commercial.
Where’s the Beef!
I’m all in for the 3rd Party scenario, it’s a tough slog. There are plenty of Trump supporters 70 – 100 million to keep engaged. We need President Trump to be engaged as well. With that said, will the Deep State and other bad actors in power attempt to bring the Trump financial empire down? These people don’t want to hear from Mr. Trump ever again and how does he fight back? They want to destroy him. We saw what happened in this election. There are already calls to go after him, his family, his finances, his assets.
These are all questions to ask. We need solutions to defeat the DC Criminal Mob aka Deep State. Is the order so tall it’s impossible?
I like to look at the bottom line. I think life would be much more interesting if we had the option of splitting the country into two, or better yet, a MAGA party that half the country would vote for (and put into office).
I do not wish to rain on any person’s parade… but the crooked voting machines are solidly in place, the Laws and the Lawmakers have proven to be solidly on the side of those in power… HOW will true Patriots get elected???
Local elections and local grassroots groups that work from the bottom up. Local elections have such low turnout that a few people increasing that, can get someone in a position.
I just went to my senate district republican site and it is basically silent. No meetings to figure out what happened or improve our chances. Articles from 2016 for crying out loud. My congressional district site at least had a source for info as The Epoch Times. I’m looking for a group that refuses to use Fakebook, Twitter, or any big tech. Still listing those companies as communication methods shows blindness to what is happening. Why would Republicans promote a company that blocks them from communication?
One thing for sure. In the last 4 years President Trump showed us just how deep the SWAMP really is. He also exposed so many Uniparty politicians. Now we really know who they are. He also exposed how corrupt all the Government agencies are. I hope he starts a new MASSIVE media company. A new tv news program, newspaper and Social media. It would immediately be number 1. Also start a MAGA movement in EVERY state that would organize people to primary ALL Incumbents. Also start a voter integrity group in every state that would push for new voter laws to get rid of the fraud. Won’t win them all but it would be a great start. Sorry for no paragraphs don’t know how to do it on my I phone.
He really did “catch them all”.
Did this guy not recognize what just happened? Does he actually think a vote will ever work again? When does it get vivid enough that people’s normalcy bias finally evaporates?
Change the Lion to an Eagle, and you’ll have more appeal IMO.
You need more than just a president if you want a viable third party option. You’re going to need Senators and Representatives as well.
This is actually a good time to start a 3rd party, with such slim margins in the House and Senate for a simple majority, a 3rd party right now of say 10 senators and 20 representatives could be powerbrokers, as you wouldn’t be able to pass anything without them, and it would force the remaining Democrats and Republicans to compromise and work with each other and work together to obtain a majority to get anything passed, which in this day and age is bad optics for both sides, but in the long run potentially good for the republic overall.
That said, I’m not sure who out there would have the spines and/or balls the leave the Republican (or Democratic) party.
Trump support 70-100 million based on reconciled legal votes. Joe Biden and the Deep State will issue immigration reform bringing millions of new Democrat voters.
Then we have the fraudulent voting system. How is that changed and not expanded? The obstacles are staggering. I have no answers, I’m not throwing in the towel, I’m all in for finding solutions.
It took decades for the Left’s plans to expand, unfold and become fully implemented. Donald J. Trump woke up Democrats & Republicans full bore ahead in defeating him and his movement. We’re not defeated however. The Alinsky playbooks was adhered to at the local level and expanded into the national level . Remember “All politics is local” said Tip O’Neill, great nemesis to President Reagan. That may very well be where it must start, the fight to save the Republic.
Third party is the only option to save the country and then only if it has enough power and desire to take on and fix the now corrupt election system. Otherwise it’s just a waste of time–
Just thinking Trump could call Limbaugh live and spill the beans.
Love it. We have to think about how we’re going to fight this war on our terms. When we try to fight like Liberals…we suck. When we try to fight like Liberals on their battlefields and under their rigged rules…we lose. It might feel good in the short run to give them a taste of their own medicine. But, at the end of the day, we need to fight this war on our terms in ways that allow us to fight for our principles.
The elections are rigged. The “but we’re going to elect Democrats if we start a 3rd party” argument is dead. The GOP has betrayed us AGAIN, and this time they are not looking back. These people actually think that Mitt Romney and Nikki Haley are the future, and that all we have to do is get back to the Bush-era policies that gutted this country like a Bain Capital PE venture.
We have to use our enemy’s weight against them. If we sort of “disappear”, and ignore them, all of that media and political energy is GOING to get directed at themselves. We’re not going to win hurling insults across the Twitter sewer. If we fight on their terms, we will be coopted like the Tea Party. We have to build this OUTSIDE the traditional structures put in place by the Ruling Class in the Official Government Party. The system is set up to make it easy to deconstruct, coopt, and destroy opposition to the OGP.
What we do is use their own systems against them. A lot of this charade is propped up by a pretend “opposition” party called the Republican Party. We cannot ever vote for these people ever again. Any candidate with an (R) next to their name needs to be treated like they are radioactive. We need to help our friends, those who still argue that we need the GOP or we won’t “win” elections, see that this strategy has been used to divide us and advance the Government Party’s interests at the voters’ expense. A lot of people vote the same way they root for sportsball teams – based on the laundry their team wears. We have to “win” because winning is good and losing is bad, and we must win or they will do bad things to us. Well, we won…and they did unspeakably bad things to us from unleashing a Chinese bioweapon to burning down cities to running a grotesquely fraudulent election.
There is no value in our continued affiliation with the GOP. Sure, they will limp along on the power of big money donors, but the grass roots money needs to dry up. Our goal should be a 90% reduction in GOP voter registration to “unaffiliated”. A phony opposition party with no supporters is of no value to the Government Party, and they will turn on each other lacking someone else to fight.
We need to use our energy building internal structures and controls – like a country within a country. Yeah, we still need to live in society. But that doesn’t mean we have to play along and believe the lies any more. We can do that and remain faithful to the Constitution. It doesn’t require violence, which only plays to the Government Party’s strengths. It does require civil disobedience. We live in a soft police state. Taking that on is foolish and a waste of human capital.
We cannot win playing in a rigged game on a non-level playing field. We have to beat them on our own terms at the time and place of our choosing. We need to weaken them by collapsing the facade that the the GOP is the opposition in a 2-party system. We have all the evidence we need to rescue our friends and families the GOP left stranded on the beach. We need to put our time and effort into building our own, internal, communications channels that bypass “the media” but which also are CREDIBLE not the whack-job click-bait garbage people have been reTweeting here for the past 2 months.
It is going to take us building out new communities online, not made up of everyone, but made up of people who are either a) rescuing people off the beach or b) realizing they were rescued off the beach.
We need to fight like conservatives. The reason I changed my party affiliation in 2016 is that the GOP tried to beat Trump by acting like gutter-dwelling Democrats. We need to fight our war our way. No more following the Team Blue rule book.
Well said. Well worth the read.
What else can we do immediately that may put a hurtin on these bastards?
I don’t think this is too much to ask, but could have an impact. I’m sure others will have many other ideas to add. JMHO
Change your voter registration to “unaffiliated”. This can be done in a matter of seconds on most Secretary of State websites. I did that in 2016, but found the Colorado one the other day in a few seconds. Stop all donations to all GOP and GOP-related organizations (not just candidates, but also PACs, “think tanks”, paid subscriptions to eGOP websites (e.g. National Review), and other fraudulent institutions of the eGOP).
I also encourage people to pay off all their debts if they can. I know times are tough for many people, but a great way to hit back is to make yourself into a smaller target. I tell my kids, ‘They can’t bribe you or threaten you about student loans if you don’t have one.” While there is much wrong in the political establishment, it is still very tough to take someone’s home if that home is paid off. Or their car. Debt is a prison, and low interest rates are like jail bait.
Agreed on dumping the media. My wife and I found Philo recently. We do like watching cooking shows and stuff, but Philo has no news and no sports allowing me to easily avoid the temptation of putting on a game out of boredom. Avoiding cable news was always easy for me, but now I’m not paying to not watch it. The non-news/sports channels still have a lot of culture rot and freak show stuff, but that’s easily avoided.
The single most important thing people need to get rid of is Twitter.
We used Sling until Philo came along and then we switched. We used Philo until Pluto came along and we switched again. Pluto is FREE, has OAN and NewsMax and just a ton of channels. I would suggest you check out Pluto and save another $20 a month.
Interesting message. I like that Turley admits the optimum is to take over the gop from within and transform it. Then, if that can’t happen you resort to third party. Takes patience though.
I will point out two things:
1). Primarying elite gop/rinos can be done. The Tea Party elections of 2010 proved that. They had no money, but they had boots on the ground. It was a citizen’s revolt.
2). The maga base nationwide is about 47% already. This was Trump’s baseline and stable approval rating throughout his four years no matter what was thrown at him. It included both republucans and Democrats. That’s not a bad start to work with. In fact, it is amazing. Trump campaign has all their contact info (collected from rallies, donations, merchandise purchases from campaign shop, social media, etc). So, the movement can be organized.
Those are strong considerations to support this effort.
Major problems are funding and uni-party resistance (and efforts by msm to aid in thwarting the movement).
My biggest concern is that the total control of government for two full years with no filibuster blockades to slow them down may fundamentally transform America to the point of no return (no efforts can possibly overtake the system).
peaceful efforts……I’m afraid if backed into a corner….as you describe in your last paragraph, patriots would mobilize and invoke non-peaceful means. Your last paragraph basically describes the collapse of the US of A as we know it…..that won’t stand, many people will not go down without a fight..real fight that is and it will get quite messy, for everyone, including every politician.
can not be done with the voting machines . not sure why this is not understood. IN 2005 when I first saw those machines I said, I am not voting the person that wrote the software is voting (i work in embedded systems software – this was obvious)
The first and foremost step is to wrest the voting process away form a politically selected individual the secretary of state of each state and give it back to local control with paper ballets and hand counting and blue thumbs
Without this step, everything else is a complete waste of time ..
We have 29 State with Republican Majorities with 302 EC votes. The President already indicated that is job one honest election system and we have shot in these States. We fail that, then I agree, but we can’t fail that for it means the end of the Republic in these last 29 States. You can bet the Communists are gearing up for fraud in those State right now for 2022. That fraud, when combined with rightfully angry Republicans that were backstabbed by the GOPe and won’t vote is all they need to win nearly every seat in country for the Communists.
MAGA is more than a man or a party at this point, it’s the only way we can save the Republic from the Communists.
We must get a groundswell effort going at the state level. Every one of us lives in a county or district or precinct. Get acquainted with your county election board and the registrar in your area. My registrar does not connect her polling laptops to the Internet. Because it’s illegal. Train as a poll worker and get involved at least once. Find out who is on the elections board, how the ballots are handled at a polling station, and what machines they are using and how they work.
Do this in a group, even if it’s only 2 or 3. Form groups of MAGA’s. It need not cost anything. Use Skype and text and all the rest to keep in touch. Get acquainted with your school board.
Go to at least one schoolboard meeting. They are the ones renaming the schools and going after our heritage. Right or wrong over 500,000 Americans gave their lives. Visit a local cemetery in support of our veterans.
Get acquainted with your local board of supervisors or selectmen. Again, we need to start forming MAGA groups. The local GOP is decrepit in some places. And the opposition is going to call us everything in book. Who gives a rip. Do not let them try to steal our nation. Keep Going and God be with you.
We cannot expect a just result from an unjust system. If we play on their turf, we lose. We need to build a system that is outside the structures and controls of the Government Party. If you think of it as a country-within-a-country, that’s the right way to go. We only engage their system when it is necessary to achieve our goals, and in places which are strategically favorable. We need to set this up such that the Government Party is boxing with smoke and they wind up hitting each other.
How do you eat an Elephant? One bite at a time. Form a MAGA party for all of us to rally towards, say 50 M, along with communication networks, information the works. In districts where we can win a three way race (GOPe, MAGA, Dem) now, we run a MAGA candidate ASAP. In districts that it would just flip the seat from GOPe to Dem we work on convince voters in that district to join the MAGA party but ‘strategically’ vote GOPe ‘until’ we can win the three way race there as well. Just think of yourself as the French resistance in these purple districts. You are part of bigger mission and a key element of the liberation plan.
The prime directive of this third party is to never flip a GOPe seat to Dem because if you think it’s bad under a Rino lead majority it’s far worse under a Communist dictatorship, and you can forget about an honest election ever again until ‘after’ a violent revolution. I can’t emphasize enough if we lose the (GOPe+MAGA) Legislative majority to the Communists, we lose the State because they will put in place Communist voting system.
said above…
“…My biggest concern is that the total control of government for two full years with no filibuster blockades to slow them down may fundamentally transform America to the point of no return (no efforts can possibly overtake the system)….”
that is legitimate concern, in my opinion.
Be reminded that,
that was also a legitimate concern in 2007 – 2016.
The future result was
that as more and more people became aware of the proof over time – via (mis-coded as good) the actual poor results of the administration and company at that time – and and a result, more people, independents etc. chose to favor better choices in 2010 2016.
(and did so in enough numbers that the election system did not counter, and in a direction the opposite direction of what the media advocated.)
That being said,
it is also possible that the RNC can choose to underfund a veteran incumbent and as such undermine the incumbent candidacy.
It happens by them, RNC, eventually feeling embarrassed to support a candidate via the mainstream medias choice to create a contrived, phantom negative narrative about a person (that is actually solid, lawful, ethical, with verifiable, selfless solid actions for the country – and the lefties are opposite of that – by the lefties nefarious actions (painted over as good) of mis-management selfish money and control gathering …)
There are cases where a RNC incumbent was primary’d out, including at least 1 in the 2020 congressional primary / election. They funded multiple candidates, designed to partly split the voters (from the incumbent)
The lefties overstated power, control
is largely contrived by seeking to split, sabotage, the honest conservatives 24/7/365…by a variety of words, narratives – and money (advertising).
As such ‘unity’ needs to pull together, be unshakeable, early, Early and long, with steady resolve to help any candidate(s) make it thru the finish line to help accomplish constitutional good works. (and keep an eye out for pretenders, under miners)
[ while being aware that there are others, lurkers, listening, looking, watching, infiltrating … in the interest of undermining good ]
Thanks for naming a supposed top 4… that ‘list’ has pros and cons…given that others see the list too.
There may be a top 10 – 10,000,000 … (not advertised, at this time – to set aside the lefties sabotage effort$ (via taxpayer funds))
There is strength in numbers….
Faith and good works…ingenuity…
James 2:22.
Be aware that even though South Africa Nelson Mandela was downtrodden by the political class for years, that the support by SA people, actually got stronger in the view of the people…
(because he was correct – and it resonated…and his actions, resolve and matching words was believable by witnesses thereof… ).
Mandela got released from prison and elected… and he, with others, took many good steps to help SA, restore hope…
(it takes decades of efforts…more than 1 human person can carry forward… )
And yes, South Africa still has huge, entrenched corruption problems… and they know it. Mandela vs. 2.0 was unavailable…(or got undermined)….
But, the human resolve for corrective measures, lives…
There is strength in numbers….
Love thy neighbors
hint,
whereas it may not be an infallible litmus test, dt has garnered a lot of information about people and characters,
keep an eye out for future dt, or dt jr. endorsements
(that may be appropriately timed to avoid an opponents counter sabotage – or other means)
(that is effective,
if election integrity is restored between now, and then… which is likely to only occur- with dem control – by title, in name only, in places…not by substance or verifiable action(s)…
[ voter id has been avoided, resisted, for decades, already in many States, and nationally…])
Some States already do have good election process laws in place, and follow them too.
(while being aware that some nefarious – pretend do gooder – might work to weaken those laws – as you saw other States do in Early to Mid-2020…without legislative approval.)
imho
The question isn’t to start a third party, but to finally install a legitimate 2nd party.
Globalist vs. Anti-Globalist.
Because as far as I’m concerned, we’ve been inside that one tent circus ever since WW-II.
#MAGA