The Declassification Conundrum…

Today is likely to be a very busy news day.  President Trump will appear on Fox and Friends at the same time the Bureau of Labor and Statistics releases the August jobs report. RESULTS: Total employment increased by 201,000 in August, and the unemployment rate was unchanged at 3.9 percent (data here)

Additionally, there’s the congressional requests (legislative branch) for President Trump (executive branch) to declassify redacted portions of the DOJ/FBI FISA application.  So it is worthwhile discussing the “declassification conundrum” beginning with this interview:


The congressional request is for President Trump to declassify and release the Carter Page FISA applications (including specifically pages 10-12 and 17-34 and relevant footnotes), all of the Bruce Ohr 302s and other relevant documents, including exculpatory evidence regarding Carter Page and others, that were presented to the Gang of Eight, but not presented to the FISA Court.

At first glance it appears to be a simple request right? However, it is anything but simple for a lot of reasons.

First, here’s a link to the General Principles of declassification [SEE HERE] Yes, the President can declassify anything; however, there is a process that must be followed.

Part of that process is similar to the former declassification request surrounding the FISA memo written by HPSCI Committee Chairman Devin Nunes.


Note the declassification reference. Executive order 13526 [Citation Here]

Following that declassification process the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, Dan Coats, and the FBI Director, Christopher Wray, and the Attorney General, in this example Rod Rosenstein, needed to “sign-off” on the declassification.

The process reasoning is simple in the ordinary (non corrupt) flow of events.  The intelligence agencies might need to protect part of the information, such as “sources or methods” of intelligence contained within the classified material. Under ordinary declassification procedures the President would likely not want to compromise the ‘sources’ and ‘methods’, and would defer to the intelligence experts.

In the Nunes memo declassification example the following letter accompanied the approval from the FBI and DOJ:

The Nunes memo was mostly declassified and almost all the redactions removed.

Now, lets consider the actual status of the current request – and remind ourselves we are not talking about an ordinary situation.  In this situation there are corrupt elements, current officials and career voices, within the FBI and DOJ who have a vested interest in NOT APPROVING the current request.

The President (Chief Executive) wants to declassify the FISA application material as requested.  The President requests the DOJ and FBI to remove the requested redacted portions of the Carter Page FISA application.  Specifically:

“pages 10-12 and 17-34 and relevant footnotes, all of the Bruce Ohr 302s and other relevant documents, including exculpatory evidence regarding Carter Page and others, that were presented to the Gang of Eight, but not presented to the FISA Court.”

So President Trump requests his FBI Director and Attorney General to declassify those documents as requested by congress.  However, if the FBI Director and/or Attorney General refuse to declassify those documents, then what happens?

Remember, all current behavior reflects the current DOJ and FBI leadership are just as complicit in the current corruption -via the cover-up-  as the former DOJ and FBI leadership.  The current DOJ/FBI leadership (both members of the executive branch) have been refusing to turn over these and other documents.

Yes, President Trump is the Chief Executive, but unfortunately he has executive cabinet members who are actively acting against his requests.  [See the numerous Trump tweets for examples of the President’s frustration].

Now the ordinary process becomes anything but ordinary.

Now the problem moves from process to politics.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions (he’s recused and of no help) so the request goes to Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein and FBI Director Christopher Wray.  If they refuse, President Trump’s option is to fire and replace the officials who are blocking the request.  However, that option is politically charged…. [hence the media drum beating the 25th amendment; see, this is all coordinated].

AG Jeff Sessions is recused (frustration), and the request would be against the interests of DAG Rod Rosenstein and FBI Director Christopher Wray who are participating in a cover-up of one of the largest abuses of power in American political history.  See the problem?

The President needs the AG or DAG and FBI Director to approve and sign-off on the declassification request.  Under normal, non-corrupt, processes this would be simple.  However, under corrupt leadership, intent on hiding jaw-dropping abuse of authority within the institutions of the DOJ and FBI, the process is anything but simple.

That’s the current problem.

Hopefully everyone can see the issue.

Now lets talk about the “WHY”.  Why is Rosenstein and Wray almost certainly unwilling to release the requested material?  [If they were willing, it would have already happened]

Here’s where we need to look at the likely cause of many of the redactions, “Sources and Methods” – the all too familiar phrase.

As we saw from the unredacted portions of the original FISA application release, the FBI and DOJ used corrupt intelligence (Steele Dossier) and media reports as “sources” for their original FISA warrant.

It is almost certain that under the redactions currently being requested to be removed there are more media reports used as “sources”.  Indeed, Representative Mark Meadows has alluded to exactly that.

The FBI and DOJ have leaked to the media, and then used those media reports to validate their FISA warrants and renewal applications.  The “sources and methods” are corrupt.

So lets walk this out while overlaying aspects we have already identified.

How likely is it that the 3rd FISA renewal signed by Rod Rosenstein (June 29th, 2017), the subject of the current request, was based -in part- on media reports?

Highly likely?  I would say, yes.

So again, walking this out.

Remember the March 17th, 2017, FISC copy that was given to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI), and leaked by the Senate Security Director James Wolfe to his concubine/journalist Ali Watkins?

How likely is it that the Buzzfeed, WaPo and New York Times articles, that used the leaked FISA application in their reporting, were included as part of the renewal request?

Likely?  I would say, yes.

If so, think about what has almost certainly happened.

The FISA Court released a copy of the Carter Page FISA application to the SSCI.  The SSCI then leaked the FISA Application to the media. The media then reported on Carter Page as part of the vast Russian Conspiracy (the insurance policy) based on the SSCI leak.  The FBI and DOJ then used the 2017 media reporting from the SSCI leak to request the June 2017 FISA renewal.

Keep in mind, all of this happened under the current FBI and DOJ leadership.

Can you see the corruption problem for the DOJ and FBI?

Now, keep walking this out.  How likely is it that James Wolfe leaked that FISA application at the request of Senators on the SSCI?   Remember his defense?

Attorneys for James A. Wolfe sent letters to all 15 senators on the committee, notifying them that their testimony may be sought as part of Mr. Wolfe’s defense, according to two people familiar with the matter. (link)

So what this looks like is an intentional effort within the SSCI (See Mark Warner, Adam Waldman, et al) to create a process to ensure the FISA surveillance warrant was extended in 2017.  This renewal was critical; it was part of the insurance policy being executed.  Remember Adam Waldman, the guy text messaging with Mark Warner, lying to Chuck Grassley to avoid giving testimony to congress?

See the big picture?

See the scale of corruption?

Corruption this deep explains why James Wolfe was not charged with the leaking of highly classified intelligence, and only given the much lesser charge of lying to the FBI about the leaking.  Also, remember throughout the 2016 election Senator Dianne Feinstein was a Gang-of-Eight member and Vice-Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Now do you remember the $50 million raised by former Dianne Feinstein SSCI Senior Staffer Daniel Jones to continue funding Fusion GPS *after* the 2016 election?

Against this big picture backdrop doesn’t that money seem like it would be available for hush-money payments to the complicit media apparatus for services rendered?

Remember, Daniel Jones is closely connected to leaks given to the New York Times. The fate of the media and the corrupt officials within the FBI and DOJ are attached.  How likely is it that Ali Watkins direct or indirect reporting is part of the FISA renewal?

Now, do the hit jobs by the New York Times make sense?  Anonymous Op-eds?  Articles and discussions about needing to invoke the 25th Amendment?

Corrupt politicians, corrupt media, corrupt FBI and DOJ officials past and present; all of them have a vested interest in opposition to any declassification sunlight.

So yes, President Trump can request declassification within his executive authority; however, he needs DOJ and FBI officials within his executive branch who are willing to follow instructions.  If those officials are connected -or implicated- directly or indirectly in the corruption…. well, just how would you expect to see it play out?

Perhaps, just perhaps, it would play out exactly as we have been watching it play out for the past nine months.

Making sense now?

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1,299 Responses to The Declassification Conundrum…

  1. DanO64 says:

    Just say N to myself.


    The President of the United States of America addresses the nation and summarizes what SpyGate actually is. Trillions are at stake and trillions have been STOLEN from the United States treasury. He states President Obama abused his position for political and financial gains as did dozens of cabinet level and below appointees. He explains what took place without divulging classified materials. Sources and Methods warrant exposes because that is the essence of the crime. The IC community, DOJ, FBI, members of congress, and possibly hundreds of other federal employees took part or looked the other way as clandestine sources and methods were used to commit, in essence, a coup on a duly elected President of the United States. One step short of an invasion on our shores by an enemy.

    The President make the accusations publicly. Let the DOJ and the FBI prove him wrong.


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  2. Sue says:

    …So what to do?


    • YL Calif says:

      Three simple things could be proclaimed NOW while we wait for Declass:
      1) They need to state very clearly that Carter Page was an FBI undercover asset and planted on the Trump team in order get the FISA warrant because of his Russian connections. Carter Page = Deep State / CFR / nabbed Russians for FBI

      2) They need to expose the fact that FISA Judge Rudy Contreras was a co-conspirator in the fake Mueller Investigation (Strzok buddy). He signed off on at least one FISA warrant and then hopped onto the Mueller team to go after Flynn.

      3) FISA Judges are not insulated from news. They knew there was a question as to the validity of the Steele Dossier but they kept signing off on warrants every 90 days.


      • Observer says:

        Wild accusations help no one. Carter Page is transparently NOT an FBI asset. He is the one spied on. He is suing. He will get rich. The rest of your comment, I didn’t bother reading.


  3. TexasDude says:

    You know what all this (FISA spying, setting up Trump and Papa, resistance inside the Executive, etc) tells me.

    Make everyone prove their job is truly needed, otherwise gone. Get rid of entire departments (Education for example). Pair down intel agencies and consolidate some of them. Fire all top 2 levels of the FBI, CIA, NSA. Put all employees of government into seminars on basic civics and respect of country. You don’t like the country, get out of government. Get rid of the unelected bureaucrats. Make public sector unions illegal.

    And if that doesn’t work or the bureaucrats and Congress refuse …

    Go back to the spoils system, fire everyone in the Executive, make them reapply or appoint whomever the President wants.

    This has to stop.

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  4. jameswlee2014 says:

    The President should order his underlings to comply with his declassification order or immediately hand in their resignations. Enough.

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    • YL Calif says:

      All this wringing of hands about Declass reminds me of the wringing of hands about Obamacare. All the promises about Repubs wanting to repeal Obamacare but just couldn’t do it because they didn’t have enough power to do it. BS & more BS.


  5. Canadatrump says:

    Please stop with the ” I think PDT needs to do this or not do that; or stop tweeting this and release that. ” Just trust his actions and support him, call out liberal lunacy and vote, no one else leading a team he trusts could have navigated this corruption. No one else would have succeeded in the face of all this, plus he gets more info, knowledge and support then the rest of us could know. From the progress I have seen from him, I trust him. If he feels he needs to tweet and stir the hornets nest, stir away. Whatever he feels will help him eliminate the cabal and bring freedom and patriotism back to the US and the world. The liars will be exposed. God bless him.

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  6. DanO64 says:

    It’s the MONEY. Forget politics. We’ve been robbed. Want people pissed off, show them how our members of congress have ripped us off and became rich doing it. I want democrats embarrassed to show up and vote.

    Liked by 3 people

  7. Gayle S says:

    As clearly explained by Sundance, we know the Spygate criminal activity that took place, how they did it and who was involved. We know that DOJ and FBI will not cooperate with the President’s requests to release unredacted documents because they have to protect themselves all the other characters in the scheme. He cannot expect JS and RR to sign off on his request and his tweets are ineffective in producing results. Sundance does not provide us with options going forward. It is agonizing seeing this play out with so many in positions of power working against the President not only to protect the criminals but to bring the president down. Sundance, what can be done?

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  8. TexasDude says:

    Trump is the head of the Executive. Period.

    He can force Congress and the unelected bureaucrats prove the head of the Executive has no power. Make them prove that the Constitution is meaningless.

    Yes, we can say Trump do this or should do that.

    It’s called opinion.


    • Donna in Oregon says:

      It’s a good thing we don’t write horoscopes here.

      Leo…..Good day to line your birdcage with the NY Times.
      Virgo….Good day to write an obit for the NIKE business plan.


  9. Chilidog says:

    The piece meal release of information is getting old. He can declasssify these documents, but it won’t end the witch hunt. He needs to declassify everything. Ultimately, isn’t the end game to unequivocally show that Obama approved and ordered the surveillance on the Trump campaign? It’s obviously headed in that direction.

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  10. DanO64 says:

    Commander in Chief, Chief Executive. To me that’s like a triple dog dare. It doesn’t get any higher than that. The President runs the country or he doesn’t.


  11. The President should declassify the material himself. I don’t care about the other nonsense.

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  12. mdt123 says:

    I do agree with the ‘boxed in’ position. Essentially we have a president who can act on economy and foreign relations to a large degree but handicapped in domestic policy initiatives. The DOJ, FBI and courts are out of his jurisdiction and controlled entirely by a cabal that includes Sessions, Wray, Ryan, GOPe and the unhinged guilty Dems. This is a constitutional crisis of major proportions unseen in recent history.
    Things are on hold to not disrupt the midterms in either way. But something big has to give soon after….

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  13. navysquid says:

    If you did not read Art of the Deal AND Art of War then you are lost on what Pres Trump is doing. His constant bashing of AG Sessions is PART of his plan in setting up the MSM and Dems (I digress) for the fall that is coming. Either Pres Trump is a brilliant tactician (he is) or he is not…you can’t really say you supported him early on and now you think he doesn’t know what he is doing (technically you can, but…).

    Within the realm of IC and CI work (and he is surrounded by those in this line of work) you are constantly making moves and counter moves and he knows how stupid the media falls for his Tweets and media alleged ignorance and calling him a clown. POTUS Trump is a wicked smart man and the downfall was set in motion a long time ago with the indictments and arrests being worked on and coming. Look at the track record of all the Firings within the gov’t, CEO’s leaving, and the rise in attacks of POTUS. When is an animal MOST dangerous? When it is cornered.


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  14. TexasDude says:

    The Civil Service and it’s commission rose out of the Spoils System employed by Jackson and other Presidents. It was supposed to be a stabilizing effect on the transfer of power.

    However, this has become an unelected government that is purposely acting seditiously, trying to stop the will of the people, President Trump.

    Even now, with this ridiculous debate on declassifying power of the President, we are seeing the insidiousness of this system.

    What has happened is that the Executive has given up power over most of it’s own employees. The Constitution is explicit on Presidential appointments, but is silent on the employees needed to keep an Executive functioning.

    I assert the system and law itself is unconstitutional, that it places unelected governmental employees with powers that was never envisioned by our Founders.

    Just as a President has no say on how the houses of Congress functions, Congress should have no say with the Executive in the same regards, excepting those spelled out in the Constitution.

    This has placed the government into a precarious position as we are seeing how Trump has to fight not only oppositional parties, but those within his own party, and those within his own administration that he has no power to fire.

    Is this a hill we should die on right now?

    Thing is, it will only get worse if not addressed.

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    • scott467 says:

      “Is this a hill we should die on right now? ”


      I think we should take this hill and not die on it.

      As Patton said, take the hill and make the other bastard die!

      “The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” — General George S. Patton

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  15. The Radar Guy says:

    The government and its bureaucracy is a strange and mysterious construct. Even someone as smart as PDJT has needed some time to acclimate and learn about the degree of intrigue and corruption inherent within the organization. He was in office, what, about a week or two before treacherous staffers were leaking private and important conversations with foreign leaders to try to marginalize his standing.

    Look, I worked for decades as a career civil servant with the military. In a modestly important job (there are hundreds or more such positions), I became fully aware of how the system works against leadership (be it democrat or republican). I remember listening to Rep Barney Franks at a university in the Boston area thinking he was the cat grabbing the canary and how he was going to take DoD money and use it for HIS pet projects because President Clinton at that time pushed for (so-called) dual use technologies. I dutifully looked at him and shook my head appropriately and feverishly scribed notes while thinking the whole time – BS on your plans….

    Let’s just say his wet dream never materialized…. LOL…

    But even I am SHOCKED at how deeply rooted the unelected think they can push the system and essentially orchestrate a soft coup…. It is almost beyond my ability to conceive… And I have worked for thirty years plus with these type of folks…

    PDJT, I think, realizes that trying to explain this to the people is just too much. The story is too involved, the corruption too deep, the tentacles of the deep state reach too far…. He uses tweets, in my view, as a holding action…

    The real game is the mid term election…. Why else would he be barnstorming across the nation like its late 2016 again. He wants to pick up two or three (or more) senate seats and then action will come… A five vote margin in the senate (with several members directly owing their election to Pres Trump) will be enough to allow him to FIRE with EXTREME PREJUDICE those who are actively working against him. Then hire loyalists and let the games begin….

    PLEASE, get out and vote if you live in Montana, Indiana, Missouri, North Dakota, Florida, etc…. Our very freedom may hinge on your willingness to vote…..

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    • Jederman says:

      BIG FACTOR in the DS (and the Left in general) so brazenly breaking laws is because they have top cover in the media and the Gramsci acolytes in the DoJ. As long as the media looks the other way and the DoJ harbors Lefty fanatics nothing changes.

      There is no easy solution. Our side has to get it’s hands dirty if they want to restore sanity. The Left will not stop until they’re stopped.

      The good thing is it’s all in the open now. Force on force. No coexistence. One side or the other goes down.

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      • Striker Dad says:

        My solution: President Trump needs to have a fireside chat. He needs to do it in Primetime, laying out the timeline and the list of characters, their involvement, their conflicts, and the reasons why corrupt individuals cannot be in charge of meting out justice in a fair way. He should say that as a result of this situation and the complicity of members of the Senate, he is recusing all leaders of the Justice Department and FBI, and naming the head of the Treasury and Secret Service as interim leaders of the departments. “As I speak agents of the Secret Service are conducting a sweep of DOJ/FBI headquarters. At this time no military action or martial law is warranted, however if necessary to preserve our nation, the constitution, and the representative government in the form we have known since the beginning of the nation, use of Martial law and assistance from our military is an option that should neither alarm no discourage any American citizen. Our government is damaged but not broken, and only by a limited number of individuals who took it upon themselves to execute a plan contrary to the will of the American people and contrary to the Constitution of our Republic.” Assure the public that this is merely a temporary measure. Also in the interest of full disclosure members of the House in a special committee will be allowed to monitor all activities of the Secret Service with regard to this investigation. At the conclusion of the investigation and during key milestones within the investigation, a grand jury will be convened to review all evidence and recommend any prosecutorial or disciplinary actions against the current DOJ/FBI leadership or employees of these departments as well as civilians and contractors who may be a part to any illegal activities. When completed, if necessary new appointments will be made and Senatorial confirmation rules will be executed in accordance with the constitution.

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        • Striker Dad says:

          One adjustment. Replace my use of Treasury with Homeland Security. I was thinking of the old org chart.


        • USMCLt says:

          Your idea has merit. I suspect that this will go down in some similar fashion. The President does probably need successful mid-term elections to gve him adequate political cover, however.


          • Tom says:

            US Marshals seem to be non corrupt.
            After that Op Ed. I would replace all the Secret Service people near him.
            If Trump gets killed. It will be civil war. All our enemies then win.


            • Squirrel Doc says:

              There are, among the USMS, some of the finest people I have ever worked with, and I worked with them for 30 years. However – there are, among them, equally corrupt and frankly narcissistically oriented that I would be very cautious which of them I trusted. Those who are both USMS and SF, those folks I trust.


    • Jedi9 says:

      Good post! Thank you! You are right! We need to be more involved more than ever in the mud-terms elections! Get that ground game going! State your case for why this is so important! MAGA!


  16. RAC says:

    A small thing maybe not important, but here it seems the onus to declassify is being put on RR…..

    “Attorney General Jeff Sessions (he’s recused and of no help) so the request goes to Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein and FBI Director Christopher Wray. If they refuse, President Trump’s option is to fire and replace the officials who are blocking the request”

    Whilst here PDJT’s tweet is pressing AG Sessions to do the declassifying…..

    Donald J. Trump
    ‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
    Aug 24

    ….FISA abuse, Christopher Steele & his phony and corrupt Dossier, the Clinton Foundation, illegal surveillance of Trump Campaign, Russian collusion by Dems – and so much more. Open up the papers & documents without redaction? Come on Jeff, you can do it, the country is waiting!

    Is there any indication that PDJT has gone to either of them and given them a direct order.
    IMO it’s probable everything is on the back burner till after November.


    • RR and Wray work for Trump and he can do this himself. There is no law against it. He is over DOJ and can declassify. He does not need anyone’s permission. I have heard there is an executive order of some kind that prevents it. That’s nothing. He can change that.

      Perhaps Trump’s tweets about this that SD cites are encouraging RR and Sessions to act on their own which I am sure he thinks is better for him at this time. There must be some reason why Trump feels he should not do this himself at this time.


      • USMCLt says:

        Some of this is meant to rally the base…fire us up enough to get out and vote.

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      • cali says:

        @More Covfefe Please: Rod Rosenstein is a piece in the coup ‘firewall’ responsible for redacting the first OIG report.
        Rosenstein and Mueller working in tandem to damage/destroy president Trump. It is Rosenstein who wants Mueller to continue his fake investigation all the way to 2020 and next presidential election.

        A person attending the closed door hearing of Bruce Ohr reported that the FISA court was in bed with the deep state ergo the approved wiretap against president Trump.

        Rosenstein firing Comey and hiring Mueller is all part of the coup attempt as they are part of the firewall.

        Rosenstein will be fired for reasons that will come into focus right after the midterms. It isn’t pretty by a long shot. Look closely at his wife too as she has been a CIA asset for a long while. Much of her history of cases she argued have been scrubbed from the internet by now.

        Making a long story short Rosenstein is done!

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      • RICHARD KEESLING says:



  17. kuhnkat says:

    Could the president personally review the documents with a couple of trusted cabinet members or senior people in the intel community, make public accusations without releasing the underlying classified facts, and suspend people pending a full investigation??

    This presumes he does not already have an investigation in place to do this that is secret and possibly not using normal channels.


  18. redhotrugmama says:

    IMHO things are only going to get worse:( Sadly PT is boxed in right now and it seems most are against him and want to see him fail:( I think no matter what happens they will go after him via impeachment or Article 25. It would not surprise me for something to be initiated before the mid terms, but after the mid terms is more likely. I also don’t think PT firing Sessions, RR, Wray etc…. before or after the mid terms would make any difference. I do think it needs to happen after Kavanaugh is on the SC. When PT begins firing all he** will break loose and I honestly don’t think the timing matters because either way heads are going to be exploding and they will still threaten him with not moving forward with new nominations. PT in turn can simply state and that GOPe needs to step up to the plate and do their job and if they don’t he just keeps appointing temporary people (he has what 210 days for an acting position or something along those lines).

    I think an argument can also be made that cleaning house prior to the mid terms may have an upside…………………scenario:
    1. PT immediately stops tweeting and he does not tweek until step #3 below. Just think if he were to go silent (the calm before the storm) his enemies are seriously going to be totally freaked out and not have an idea of what to make of it. In fact they may get scared and that fact alone could make for some interesting moves to be made.
    2. Kavanaugh has been confirmed and it is say mid October
    3. PT fires/cleans house and then we see glorious splody heads!
    4. PT immediately names interim AG/Directors etc…….

    The level of heat and animosity towards our PT gets even worse than it is now. PT ratchets up the heat letting voters know it is even more important to get out the vote as he is in for the fight of his life………………….my gut says even more Republicans go to the polls.

    Regarding the declassification……………..the current process has the deep state in total control for approving those documents for release which we know they aren’t going to do. IMHO PT should if possible side step and release them and explain what those documents contain and what they mean in a prime time rally. Put the key pages up on a huge monitor with a red laser pointer for all the world to see. And before he releases the documents he requires certain staff members to sign a cover sheet confirming those documents are in fact the actual/live/real documents. In fact I would demand several signatures just to make sure he isn’t snookered. The timing of the release could be say after Kavanaugh confirmation and before or after he fires JS/Wray/RR etc…..

    The longer the deep state actors remain in key positions (AG, FBI etc…) the more weakened our President becomes.

    As for the NYT OpEd……………….personally I think the CIA is behind it………………..a number of the actors in this drama are all CIA (Nellie, Peter etc……) and sadly Jeff Sessions is their insurance policy/fire wall.

    PT should go silent on the tweets and let her rip after Kavanaugh is confirmed. Remember going silent is out of character for our PT and it would definitely set the deep state off kilter.

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  19. uptothere says:

    One wonders where Justice Roberts sits on all this? Concerned enough to open an investigation on the judicial side? If not, he should be concerned about how the FISA court was highly manipulated and abused.

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  20. Convert says:

    My question for all of yousmart people: who will stop the Deep State from creating false versions of all kinds of documents, either by adding or removing stuff? Given what we already know they did, I could absolutely see them being brazen enough to just go all in on the frame-up of Trump, his children, anybody.
    Releasing everything would then be professional suicide.

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    • PoCoNoMo says:

      Good question, Convert. I’ve wondered that so many times. We already know their ethics are in the toilet, and we know the crap they’ve resorted to – but what we know is probably the tiniest tip of the iceberg.

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    • dustycowpoke says:

      Seeing how members of the Senate have viewed the unredacted documents it would be unlikely the documents would be redone. Devin Nunes would know.

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      • anthony earl says:

        so what if PT says on tv i have declassified everything and then nunes goes out and talking about everything he read in the 20 pages. he spills the beans and makes all the connections and names people. since nothing is going to happen to booker for his outburst, nunes should be free and clear too.
        if he does that and all the msm cameras suddenly turn off or goto break, they would be done for.


  21. Convert says:

    My question for all of yousmart people: who will stop the Deep State from creating false versions of all kinds of documents, either by adding or removing stuff? Given what we already know they did, I could absolutely see them being brazen enough to just go all in on the frame-up of Trump, his children, anybody.
    Releasing everything would then be professional suicide.

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    • PoCoNoMo says:

      You just made me remember Sandy Berger, (Nat. Sec. Advisor for WJC, worked for mim 1993 – 2001) who snuck classified documents out of DOJ. He took all the copies of one document (Relating to WJC’s unsuccessful handling of 2000 millennium attack plots, so he was probably dong a ‘favour’ for Bill, but at least he got to live, right?) + hid ’em at a construction site, + got ’em later. He got relatively minimally punished. 50 grand fine, community service, 2 yrs. probation, security clearance removed for 3 yrs. (!!!!!) Then, at his funeral, Obama gave an obit saying what a great guy he was. “Sandy Berger was one of our nation’s foremost national security leaders…. he is remembered fondly within the ranks of the National Security Council, where those he mentored carry on his work.”
      (Yeah, that’s what we’re worried about, right?) “… I’m grateful to Sandy because, as President, I’ve benefited personally from his advice and counsel.”

      So we don’t have to wonder why or how this kind of corruption is endemic. Look what Obama was singling to everyone in all his departments.


    • Joshua says:

      Nah, post facto “framing” would be extremely difficult atm.

      The real problem is it has basically been proven an extremely useful and effective tactic even on the main stage as actors from all nests and dens join in to volley and cover.

      Those nests are many an deep. I would focus on the nests if I knew how to subtly underthrow (swiftly) but that is in fact their strong suit not mine.

      It’s like suiting up for a battle charged decades ago. Feels weird and, well … unwise. I would prefer to adopt new strategies not old. At least that’s what my peasant intuition tells me.

      — remind me to tell u of the story about an abused spouse whose need for their partner was less than either had realized. It was an interesting conversation.


  22. Convert says:

    My question for all of yousmart people: who will stop the Deep State from creating false versions of all kinds of documents, either by adding or removing stuff? Given what we already know they did, I could absolutely see them being brazen enough to just go all in on the frame-up of Trump, his children, anybody.
    Releasing everything would then be professional suicide.


    • mr.piddles says:

      “who will stop the Deep State from creating false versions of all kinds of documents, either by adding or removing stuff?”

      I was thinking about this with the FNYT Op-Ed. So what if the FNYT themselves penned the Op-Ed as a simple, straightforward political hit piece. It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not, that’s not the objective. Is that possible? Well, think about where we are today: a fake document was concocted in order to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on a political opponent, and, more importantly, a person who is widely viewed as a significant threat to the PTB, Deep State, et al. The possibility of the FNYT publishing an entirely fake Op-Ed is… well, pretty mild in comparison to spying on American citizens, engaging in entrapment and bogus “counter-intelligence” operations. And that’s spying on American citizens with a particular Banana Republic Flavor, no less. Pretty corrosive to The Republic. Destroying and altering evidence? I would almost expect it at this point, TBH. See 6 months of “missing” text messages, for reference.

      Liked by 2 people

      • evergreen says:

        Even in the elite, smart liberal circles, there are those who can see reality. When they see a flat out propaganda campaign by the NYT, et al, they will conclude that it even if it is their fishwrap, it is nevertheless a fishwrap. Crosswords instead of coupons, that will be the remaining NYT marketable feature.


  23. James F says:

    Looks like “boxed in” is the latest talking point.

    Liked by 1 person

    • RAC says:

      I’m thinking PDJT is biding his time, gently chiding them with tweets now and again but resisting the urge to put them in a position where they have the excuse to resign. Until November when the situation will change.


  24. mr.piddles says:

    From the outside it seems to be a pretty simple equation:
    1.) Rosencrantz is implicated and needs to go, like yesterday. It is public knowledge that his signature is on one renewal of a bogus FISA warrant, and his involvement may (probably does) go deeper. Rosencrantz has the biggest interest in cover up and obstruction.
    2.) Rosencrantz owns the overall Mueller process. Rosencrantz can’t be removed before either a.) Mueller wraps up, or b.) November 7, 2018. Without 1 or 2, Trump has a political sh*tstorm on his hands.
    3.) Rosencrantz already targeted for impeachment proceedings. See #2.b. More circumstantial grounds for removal. “I can’t work with an Executive official who can’t work with Congress. Separation of Powersand stuff like that.”

    So you go to Sessions and you tell him to declassify. Sessions, predictably, says “Sorry, I’m in double secret probation, Mr. President. Rod? Thoughts?”. Rod says: “Hells to the no!!!”. Immediately fire Rosenstein. Wray says: “I’d prefer to deal with this using a stack of binders full of policies and procedures.”. Tell Sessions: “you either unrecuse on the spot, or you get fired on the spot”. Sessions resigns. Wray says: “I’d really like to explore the binders option, Mr. President”. Rinse, repeat.

    So what if Sessions and Rosenstein are out as of 5PM November 7, 2018? What is the process? Can Trump just keep firing until folks that work for him stop refusing to carry out his orders? He had no problem firing Yates for insubordination. What’s the difference here?

    Liked by 2 people

    • DanO64 says:

      Entertaining for sure. What a day.


    • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

      Indeed the stinkin’ swamp is widespread, but . . .

      “1.) Rosencrantz is implicated and needs to go, like yesterday.” – mr.piddles

      Yet another DeepState villain? Who is Rosencrantz?

      Liked by 1 person

      • mr.piddles says:

        From my… ahem… er… extensive… seventh grade literary exploits, and more recently the interwebs: “Rosencrantz and Guildenstern betray Hamlet by following Claudius’ direction, spying on Hamlet, and reporting back to Claudius.” It all goes back to Shakespeare in the end. Bunch of drama, it is.

        Liked by 1 person

  25. Robert says:

    The President Executive Order 13526 is dated December 29, 2009. The president at that time was Barack Hussein Obama. President Trump has authority to issue a new executive order providing any additional options available to him in the event that a subordinate whom he orders to declassify a document refuses to do so. For example, the president could declare that if a federal official declined to declassify a document due to a recusal, or if a federal official had written or submitted a court document that the president had ordered declassified, or if a federal official refuses for any other reason to comply with a presidential order requiring declassification, then that federal official shall report to the president in writing his or her reasons for declining to comply with the president’s order, and the responsibility to respond to the president’s order shall then belong to that federal official’s next in authority.

    Liked by 4 people

  26. Hurrican hunter says:

    Is it also possible that the documents have not been released because they are part of an ongoing criminal investigation?

    Liked by 2 people

  27. Fools Gold says:

    Trump has over half the country rooting for him! All patriots! Even after all the swamp rats/media crap for the past 3 years. Give Trump a major victory in Nov. and watch how this plays out! MAGA will have just l just started!

    Liked by 2 people

  28. MaineCoon says:

    1. VOTE! VOTE!
    * need 58+ Senators
    * hold House, and increase Rs

    2. Confirm/install Kavanaugh

    3. Presidential Order to declassify docs, putting Sessions, Wray on the line, publicly, including whether they resist, make it all public

    4. January – Installation of new Congress AND effective date of EO whereby civilian can be tried in military tribunals

    5. When AG, Wray, RR have resist Prez Declassification Order, start All military tribunal trials, advising We The People that the DoJ & FBI has gone ROGUE, defying EO, and get the long awaited trials underway WITHOUT ROGUE DOJ/FIB/. ROGUE ways backfire as explanation for having to use military tribunals for JUSTICE AND DOJ JUSTICE SYSTEM HAS GONE ROGUE.

    6. P45 could actually let AG be a “lame duck”, just continue the other good work he is doing…if a firing needs to be delayed, politically. All in due time, as the tribunals go forward without a rogue DOJ/FIB,OIG, HUBER, MULEHEAD, ET AL involved.

    7. Somehow Mueller has to be closed down.

    8. Pray, pray, pray.

    If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

    Liked by 2 people

    • oldschool says:

      A few more seats mean very little. The majority will remain swamp. All his foes will still be there, attacking at every turn. The msm will remain their weapon. The mood of the left will not change and neither will their tactics. Trump will have the same problems the day after election as he does the day before. There is no magic moment.


      • PoCoNoMo says:

        What you say is, but on the other hand, what choice do you and I have, but to fight and support and communicate to others as best we can? As far as I’m concerned, Trump is The Bravest Man In The World, giving the last years of his life for us. He could have told his family, “Here ya go, kids. I’m buying this really big island the family can go live on when the Democrats ruin the country completely.” But he’s doing this, so ours is not to reason why, gnash teeth because there isn’t going to be a magic moment. Yeah, you’re so right. And yet I was so happy on election day. And now I must stay positive, (which is where you and the other creepers come into play) and hang onto the valued shreds of sanity that I still have!

        Liked by 3 people

    • Fools Gold says:

      Coon, that’s my way of thing as well. The only thing I would add is the media is in on it and hell of a lot of them need to head to gitmo for trials as well.

      Liked by 2 people

      • Fools Gold says:

        “Thinking” not thing. I only have a iPhone and type with my thumb dam it. I don’t even bother to try to edit 90% of the time…


    • USMCLt says:

      Prayer works!!! I pray for the President every night, and the next day he performs minor miracles. People, keep praying for him!!!

      Liked by 1 person

  29. TexasDude says:

    I fully reject the notion that the American public is too dumb to comprehend the seditious and treasonous actions of the Deep

    Liked by 1 person

  30. TexasDude says:

    I fully reject the notion that the American public is too dumb to comprehend the seditious and treasonous actions of the Deep


    • oldschool says:

      So do I dude. Should have been exposed by POTUS months ago. I am sure he has his reasons. I just hope those reasons are not his political advisors, which I believe they are. Really believed POTUS was going to blow it up. No longer believe he will at any level.


      • CopperTop says:

        I still think it’s curious that Rudy G was assigned to Cyber (as an ‘advisor’) while Adm Rogers was still there. It was an excellent excuse for the two of them to be in the same room together.

        It’s my last hold out for the right things to be done for the American people. If McCabe is subject to the GJury there is a process for the People ourselves to give sunlight the FISA and contractor abuses via the Justice system. OUR Justice system.

        Guilliani is connected to both bookends of the story of the contractor scandal…eensey tiny maybe…MOAB after the election.

        Liked by 1 person

    • Fools Gold says:

      Say it again Tex…lol

      Liked by 1 person

  31. Republicanvet91 says:

    I don’t know if it would be as difficult to get this declassified as what is stated.
    Members of Congress were rumbling about impeachment already, and it shook loose documents that Rosey had been sitting on for months.

    If POTUS requests this to be declassified, I am sure that would become public. If Rosey or Wray want to refuse, that too would become public, and I am sure those members of Congress who already called for it to be declassified would start talking impeachment again.

    The bigger problem I see is a minor little declassification fight where members of Congress settle for less than they should of things that should be declassified. Rather than everything being declassified, they settle for much less, and the most embarrassing aspects stay classified.

    Liked by 1 person

  32. Ackman420 says:

    Delay , deny, obfuscate. They will do it for the full 8 years if they have to. That’s how they stay out of prison. VSGPT must fire them all and somehow get swamp killers in the big DOJFBI positions.
    Those killers are out there, we just need the near impossible senate approval.


    • Ned Zeppelin II says:

      Or outsource the investigation to non dot govs persons and law firms via contract with the West Wing? There are ways around the FBI and DOJ, unconventional yes, but doable within DJT’s constitutional authority as the chief executive.


  33. Den says:

    Here’s an interesting article that provides an alternative explanation about what’s going on.


  34. Ned Zeppelin II says:

    I thnk there is pressure building on both sides of this war to do something big post Kavanaugh (perceived as a grievous loss for the libDs) and pre-midterms. Neither side will observe the 60 day rule, although you can be sure if Trump moves first the MSM will be screaming for the umpires about a rules violation. It is an excuse only to NOT take action, for Sessions, Rosenstein, Wray et al. Why chance a libD win in the midterms enabled by the absence of further information for the voters to see what went on here. Declassification of the April 2017 FISA warrant seems an easy place to start, and then continue with a further steady drip drip drip of revelations, and perhaps McCabe indictment. Mueller post Flynn will be out of powder.


  35. scotth says:

    ‘Executive order 13526’ Where’s POTUS’s pen?


  36. Cathy H says:

    According to President Trump during an interview with Ainsley Earhardt from Fox & Friends a couple of weeks ago Christopher Wray was recommended to him by Rod Rosenstein. I just don’t see RR or CW as part of the Deep State. A day or two ago VP Pence spoke highly of Rod Rosenstein. We will never know the full story but what we eventually learn will be mind blowing.


  37. MontanaMel says:

    Roger – on ALL above and before…
    I, too, feel that we have “enough” standard “smarts” to understand just how bad, is bad…. In the general population of these united states. The only barrier is our MSM’s lock-hold on distribution of facts…the TRUTH, etc… We don’t call them “fake news” for nothing…

    It has be said: We need a fire side chat….with our Donald running a pointer and lots of pictures and charts, to ‘splain just how deep this swamp is and how tough it is finding the frick’n drain plug!…

    Then I thought of the cry and whine we’d hear if PDT requested enough PRIME TIME coverage to do a proper job of such a presentation….and, note, I am not even considering the “ongoing investigation” and “legal issues” here….with a Mil Court system, I’m thinking most of this would go away, anyway….

    So…I thought, instead…let’s get the GOP to “make” some DVD’s of the Donald doing the presentation(s)…segment it out for “easy to follow” mini-bites….plenty of time for a bathroom visit and a fresh bowl of dip/chips….maybe even some DISCUSSION — re-viewing if needed to catch the major points properly…
    A standard “DVD” can hold about 3 hr of mid-grade HD… Such a dvd costs LESS THAN $0.50 each in bulk…dupe cost could be held to the same level… Total cost of “under $1.00″… Sell it online as a fund raiser for say $7.50 to include media mail costs/mailer etc… OR, put it out there at cost, for public education….eh?… Think PSM’s….public service messages….warnings to not drink the kool aid, etc…

    THEN…I thought… How about we on the Treehouse did this project ourselves, with only a request for a short “This is Donald Trump and I endorse this message as factual” …. clip to use as the lead-in. ???

    We already have much of the graphics done – showing the linkage and lines of control/conspiracy between… We only need SD or another suited MC/narrator to get up in front of a bed-sheet drape with the large format graphics and START TALKING… Some minor/decent editing to keep it clean and simple…run for maybe 20-30 min per segment…building block method…trace different individual threads — then, tie them together showing the “whole cloth” view… Leave the viewer with a clear path of action to assist PDT — ie: Congress contact in mass…written demands for lawful action… USE ONLY PUBLIC DOC DISCLOSED UNTILL NOW… do “some” speculation that points to full disclosure, as an action point to hit Congress with…hold their feet in the fire and baste with that much mentioned blood.

    Comments? Ideas?….



  38. CopperTop says:

    The FISC can convene a hearing anytime and declassify the very same documents. There is no 60 day rule and the FISC is never in recess (always a sitting member ‘locked’ in a courtroom a week at at time.) Carter Page as an interested party can request it anytime. The left knows this. They are out of ammo. Though, they’ll make one last blast.

    POTUS DJT mentioned Gregg Jarrett’s analysis about this earlier this month in tweets.

    Curious to see if the court meets en banc (all judges) next couple of weeks.

    Two avenues to trigger. Carter Page asking for it. He set this up Septmeber 2016 (think of how long ago he prepared) OR the Gjury meeting over McCabe could trigger an action that the FISC sees fit to resolve through an en banc hearing as the FISC is always a ‘party’ to a FISA.


  39. Concerned says:

    Why not approach the problem of dealing with Former President Obama directly. According to the following, Obama’s daily briefings should have “comprised a large part of the PDB.” President Trump should have access to all, of Obama’s “Presidential Daily Briefings”. A simple search of those daily PDB’s should tell us when Obama’s administration started tracking President Trumps campaign. Revealing a copy of relevant portions of Obama PDB should provide evidence for Obama’s prosecution and even more incentive for the American people to rally around President Trump, prior to the midterms.

    As the Brookings Institute noted in a policy paper arguing for the Trump administration to renew legislation reauthorizing Section 702 of the FISA Act, which clarifies warrant requirements of the Act, information gathered via FISA warrants “sometimes known as PRISM, comprises a large part of the President’s Daily Brief.”


    • Concerned says:

      Lets not forget Former AG Lynch’s sign-off too?

      Let’s not forget Obama’s “Presidential Daily Briefings”
      for FISA spying on President Trump, when did it start?

      I want to know, if the X President Obama started Treason?


  40. CountryClassVulgarian says:

    “See the big picture?
    See the scale of corruption?”

    Oh yes. Most of us see it all right. At times I wonder when did I fall asleep and wake up in the banana republic that was once the United States of America.


  41. 1gandydancer says:

    “…the request goes to Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein and FBI Director Christopher Wray. If they refuse, President Trump’s option is to fire and replace the officials who are blocking the request. However, that option is politically charged… the request would be against the interests of DAG Rod Rosenstein and FBI Director Christopher Wray who are participating in a cover-up of one of the largest abuses of power in American political history. See the problem?”

    No. I don’t see a problem. Fire Rosenstein and Wray and keep firing until someone willing to do the right thing is in charge. Since when has Trump been injured by doing things that are “politically charged”? Let’s see how much poliyical support there is for hiding what’s in the FISA warrant applications after they’re released. I’m betting, not much.


  42. Apollo says:

    The Sessionsistas (ForGodAndCountry, Colette, etc.) are always mysteriously absent from these threads.


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