As expected, no one in the media pool asked the key question. If Ukraine is not a NATO member, and Russia is not a NATO member, then why is NATO even involved? Not a single media outlet cared enough to even ask the brutally obvious.
LET US NOT PRETEND. There is good news and there is bad news within the outlined strategy. More good than bad, despite the spin room narrative engineering being immediately spread by U.S. media.
First, President Trump is giving Russian President Vladimir Putin 50 days to finish his strategic military operations in Ukraine, before a 100% tariff rate is executed against the Russian economy. With direct U.S. trade with Russia already not happening, the tariff would likely be applied toward any country purchasing any goods or resources from Russia (specifically India, China, Iran, etc.).
Second, despite Lindsey Graham and the EU leaders discussing the confiscation of Russian assets held in EU/USA bonds, neither President Trump nor NATO General Secretary Mark Rutte mentioned it. Again, the media never asked that question. Thankfully, President Trump seems to realize if such a confiscation took place, the financial credibility of the entire western finance system would be compromised. No nation would want to put their national wealth at risk by buying U.S. and EU treasury bonds.
Third, the part the MSM will focus on. In the interim of the 50 days, NATO will be both purchasing and moving offensive and defensive weapons systems into Ukraine. On the defensive weapon side, Germany will likely send Patriot missile batteries, and NATO will replace them with new U.S. purchases. In addition all NATO states will provide increased offensive weapons and purchases will be made from U.S. stockpiles. Those new offensive weapons will likely be held back until the end of the 50 days, giving Putin something to think about to bring him to the table.
Summary. Putin has 50 days. In the interim NATO is approved by Trump to ship offensive and defensive weapons into Ukraine. The Senate sanctions package will continue to be assembled, perhaps approved, but not deployed until after the 100% tariffs are executed if Russia is non compliant in getting to the table.
The carrot is the 50 days to get finished. The stick is all hell will break loose on Russia, including new and powerful offensive weapons, if Putin doesn’t end the conflict prior to the 50-day deadline.
Interesting 3-D chess move here. Arms for Ukraine are already in place in NATO Europe for transship now. Updated and improved arms for the U.S. arsenal are being made now and are for sale to NATO Europe to replace their aging stock.
One step, two results. Ukraine gets more defense and NATO gets rearmed MAGA in heighted pushback of Putin. What’s a depleted dictator to do? I think “check” has been called.
And, while Putin ponders next more, U.S. arms manufacturing gets a BIGGGG infusion of cash (NATO’s pledged 5%) to ramp up production now.
Putin can stop/slow the NATO bulk-up by resolving Ukraine pronto, defusing the tariff petards and turning Russia toward productive trade with the west.
Depleted dictator – that’s Zelensky, right? He’ll just push more Ukrainians under Russian FABs, drones and artillery.
Also, it’s time to start thinking with your head. NATO had three years to match Russian shell production, and they tried using money already. That only made NATO shells more expensive, to match they still can’t
Exactly!
Russia has already started Summer offensive,
and is currently going at it -like Grant went
through Richmond- as my Grannies used to say.
NATO can push all the weapons they have -but
it has already been said….Russia produces
more arms/munitions in three months than
the West (including US) does in a year.🤷♀️
NATO dithered during the Biden term. I think Trump is wearing the Big Boy pants this year.
I think Russia is well supplied with big boy pants.
Calling it 3-D chess is good. If anyone can find consistent rules for that game, well, I never did.
why not call it 4D or 100D chess, though?
It’s 1D chess. We are still on the path towards more war.
NATO pledged to up their defense spending to 5% of gdp by 2035…..(we’ll see)
By NATO’s past…..if I were Trump45/47…..
I’d tell NATO that I’d match their defense spending percentage…..up to 5%.
I think NATO is currently around 2% and the US is at 3.4%.
NATO countries know all they have to do is wait for Trump to be gone. I don’t believe any of them intend on spending more for NATO. They have 10 years to do it, Trump will be gone by then.
Pretty sure Trump is coordinating with Putin.
Actions speak louder than words.
Watch what they do, not what is said.
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Whatever infusion of cash, real or imagined, the infusion will cause higher arms purchase prices and minimal production gains.
As far as I can tell US arms production seem to be the opposite of industrial production. Europe doesn’t really have this money anyway they have to take it directly from all their social programs. I think it’s more likely to be all IOUs.
1. Russians understand chess.
2. Russia has superior weapon (non nuclear).
3. Russia has superior number of trained troops…1.5 million+…all volunteers, than Nato.
4. Russia has superior troop re supply system (logistics food etc).
5. Russia has superior motivation to fight nazis (27 million killed by nazis ww2).
6. Russia has 140+ million people united against nazis, doesn’t matter who is leading them.
7. Russia has superior, faster, system for making weapons of war and getting them to their frontline troops. There is no ocean to cross.
8. Russia is united, Nato, EU is not.
And much Cheaper weapons systems.
Not a good move. Putin doesn’t respond to ultimatums.
not a good move imo, but possibly one that has to happen. for DJT, of whom we’re used to seeing Bold action…..this is…… lacking
Lacking? I suppose you expected boots on the ground and / or tactical nuclear strikes?
no. i’d like the opposite of that. were i to be critical i’d complain that we are still in any way funding, providing communications, satellite info ( anything ) – i’d prefer a Cold Exit. but, that would, imo, just enable the neocons, the left, whoever to blame the failed wasted state on Ukraine on DTJ, unfairly so. i’d also like to see anyone in the US IC perp-walked or much worse if they are providing support…. hope that clears things up. thank you for your attn to this matter
exactly. had he pulled all funds, gear, and intel on day one, as he said he would do, this would be wrapped up already.
Putin answers to the russian people. as such, 5 days, 50 days, or 500 days is highly irrelevant if it still serves their interests.
Hard to find certainty in any of this. IC inspired/conceived or not, Putin’s course of action was pretty much set after the attack on Russian strategic assets. That was a game changer.
The discussion in media today vis failed cease fire deals/obfuscation, no more war, etc., hasn’t covered this point at all.
A volt-face in policy looks to be in play here.
One path didn’t work, so time to shift to plan B. Have to back the Prez. We will just have to sit back and see what it portends for the existing Ukraine gov’t.
That is the only possible way, go nuclear, we can match up in a conventional war at this moment in time vs, apparently, Russia and China.
I think sundance’s article shows where it has a good side.
Optimal.
Yes it never has been a perfect scenario to fix the Biden installed by the IC and Uniparty in 2020, never before seen war, not covered by any main stream (fake news) media in modern history, FIASCO where 100’s of thousands have been killed. Spit
I am use to seeing pragmatic action. That is what this is leaving Europe holding the funding issue to them selves
Let’s see which of the Euro weenies can talk a couple 100 billion out of their populations
I just hope that the deal is….
Cash and Carry. No Credit.
While I do see the upside of making
NATO/ Euroweenies paying for the
weapons- I still question our stockpiles.
Even Dementia patient Biden was not
sending that many weapons to Ukraine
at the end of his installment….reason
for that.. and at the beginning they were
even listing how many and what was being
sent….the actual number stopped last year..🤔
So…let the Euroweenies further bankrupt themselves
paying for weapons that will make no impact on
the battlefield….that is👏👏👏👍😂
The UK basically collapsed their government recently over giving/funding $5B pounds to Ukraine.
You sound like Armchair quarter back supreme. Europe is paying for the pateiot missiles. I love it
Excellent point re Russia and Ukraine are both non-NATO.
Could Russia get a discount re the Nordstream Pipeline?
Ultimatum?? 50ndays to secure his progress and declare victory.
Two world leaders determine outcome Nato chases its tail and tries to find dollars.
NATO populations get to ask why for 50 days,
No commitment of us forces and NATO left to its own devices is a spineless puppy. Nothing here triggers article 5
The 50 day timelines is just a media construct pretending to have leverage over Russia.
A fake carrot and stick.
Yes, the EU is now paying for the weapons.
If they can’t pay then the proxy war winds down.
The questio now becomes “how long can the EU keep paying before their people revolt”?
And he wont respond to this one,…….of course, neither will NATO.
Trump has attempted to create an incentive for Russia to negotiate. In practice, the US wants to move Russia off of its June 14, 2024 conditions for cease-fire & ending the conflict. If Russia refuses, Will China and India put pressure on Russia if faced with these steep secondary sanctions?
I doubt it, but who knows. Certainly, Russia has shown no movement on these conditions & I dont see why they should move given the apparent battlefield conditions.
Question is, what is the stick that pushes Ukraine to the table? As far as I can tell (I may be mistaken) Ukraine is still officially holding out for the return of all territories in Eastern Ukraine plus reparations from Russia, etc. This is a joke, and no Russian leader would or could entertain it.
On the other hand, following through with these sanctions could have some unpleasant follow-on effects for the West. Not sure I’m really grasping the logic of this move—which is fine. Nobody rings me to see what I think of these matters, and there’s no reason they should!
And playing in the background is the ongoing collapse of the US dollar. Any talk of secondary tariffs, much less the confiscation of bonds, will accelerate the flight of capital to other assets. Gold, silver, bitcoin, the Swiss franc have all taken off, and the inconsistency of our policies is not helping.
Russia has made their demands very clear. Russia won the war long ago. US money and weapons have dragged the war on for years. The winner makes the terms of a peace agreement. Ukraine are the ones who refuse to negotiate terms for peace.
The Eu/NATo keep backing Zelensky the dictator who refuses to compromise, leaving his people wide open for destruction. It takes 2 to come to an agreement and we should not be helping Zelensky at all, no election being held, if his people don’t throw him out, then that’s there problem, not ours! IC be darned, leave them there and have Hegseth bring anyone in the military that may be there because of the IC home. If it’s privateers, dig, expel from our country permanently. I’m done paying for other countries! Americans need on the ground help first!
Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin: The WORLD respect only those who can protect themselves….
The last time Putin said he wanted peace little z sent in that big drone attack.
CIA very involved in that attack in order to stop the peace talks.
Putin apparently also does not respond to negotiations.
He gave Iran 60 days. The precedent is set. He means what he says.
Good point. We do have a glaringly clear example to go by.
And then there will be tariffs……
Will we be seeing this in more countries 😵💫😖😖🥴
Brazil protesters burn Trump effigy in outcry over proposed 50% tariff – YouTube
‘Brazil is ours’: Protesters burn Trump effigy in fiery anti-tariff rally in São Paulo – YouTube
Glenn Greenwald lives in Brazil. His input was interesting.
Start at 55:00..Rumble
UN Gaza Investigator Francesca Albanese on US Sanctions Against Her; Plus: Glenn Takes Your Questions on Trump’s Pressure on Brazil, Sam Harris, Bill Ackman, and More | SYSTEM UPDATE #485
What was imposed on that little turd Zelenskyy to settle the conflict?
Maybe this was a tacit admission that Zelensky (and Ukraine) isn’t in charge of anything.
Bingo
OK, so Zelensky isn’t in charge of anything. What does the DEEP STATE say about this? WWIII in 50 days?
this is what is so wrong about President Trump’s choices.. He rewards Zelenski for his lies and deceit and punishes Russia for defending her vital interests.. NATO & the entire west has lied to russia since 1989 and expanded eastward and openly declared Russia is the enemy.. So much for the peace President, go hug the al-quida thug in syria again as he genocides all the alawites and druze and christians.. as he also enables the nazi’s to kill bunches of orthodox christians in Ukraine. wow I am so upset for the past 2 months of decisions and directions we are now going in. neo-cons are winning not MAGA.
You have points worth serious thought.
Neo-cons work for the Evil One.
It sure ain’t a perfect world. Contradictions are part of the show.
People are sick and tired of this freak show..and most Zelensky and Bi….
I have to agree with this. NATO should not be encouraged to continue supporting Ukraine and Zelensky needs to know the spigot is dry. Russia should keep their gains and call it. NATO should get back to being prepared for a real aggressive action against a real NATO Country.
NATO should be disbanded.
NATO head Mark Rutte in a speech just one
month ago…….
Ukraine has an irreversible path to NATO.
😡 😡 🤬 🤬
Beginning of video…hear him say it…
Mark Rutte’s Flip-Flop Game on Ukraine’s NATO Membership EXPOSED! |Critics SLAM NATO’s Mixed Signals – YouTube
Ugh! And what does Ukraine have to offer?! Nothing!
In 50 days Putin may well have all the buffer zone Russia thinks that it needs. Then it may well be Russia calling for a full cease fire.
The ghost of John McCain is wandering the WH corridors.
…the ghost looks a lot like Lindsey Graham
nothing…they are all afraid of him ?????
PT does not have the cards or the chips to go against Russia.
He may even not know what he does not know.
Well if PDT doesn’t know what he doesn’t know pretty sure you and all the naysayers on here don’t either
🎯
and
🤣
Realist are here at the Treehouse.🤷♀️🤷♀️
People who have been following the
SMO since it began.
People who actually know where Ukraine is on
a map….and follow the frontlines maps…everyday.
Did you hear…they’re bringing back the Yugo…..such exciting times.
The Yugo was “Yuge”. What a heap.
It’s entirely possible that some of the naysayers actually do know a great deal about our military’s capabilities. I don’t know everyone else’s background but I have 47 years of DOD and DOE R&D through Operational Test. Member of the Chief Scientists’ Group as their Drone expert. Stopped full time in late 2013 and continue to consult until 2024.
Believe me when I say that short of a full nuclear exchange, Russians won’t stop with or without Putin. From September of 2001 through today, we put almost all efforts into Special Operations Forces and their support. Our conventional military is hollowed out. Europe has always been a joke and NATO stands for “Not after 2 o’clock. Only people working were us.
We need our Peace President to make a sustained appearance on the stage. PJDT has it in him if the SS remains loyal.
agreed.
i am not going to claim that any of us have the briefings and inside track… but i would also point to SD’s recent article that Trump is surrounded by people who heavily control what he knows and hears. as such, every one of these effing clowns have been saying that everything is awesome in ukraine,, and they just spent a few days carpet bombing the ridiculous russian casualty figures that we all know are BS. Rubio repeated it a bunch of times over the weekend.
so… what do they know?
Zelensky through da nang dick, ms.linda and pompeous as* know what PDJT do not know……
Perhaps Stu has the (increasingly rare) ability to think for himself, rather than accept the (increasingly poor) advice rendered by the President’s advisors. That would include unofficial president Wiles, official Guardian of Entrance to the Oval Office.
Retired Magistrate here: Oh I think President Trump knows that he doesn’t have the cards that Putin does. However, President Trump is playing the hand that he was dealt. The Russia/Ukraine War has been going on since 2014. President Trump is holding out the carrot of 50 days to get the job done or else. I am not sure that President Putin wants to find out what the or else is.
Iran was Operation Hammer; maybe Russia would be Operation Sickle. I am just praying that the hostilities will end in 50 days or less.
PRAYING!
Many are PRAYING for President Trump!
Wisdom
Discernment
Trusting The LORD
I see it as a way for the Euroweenies to
go bankrupt buying weapons to supply
to Ukraine in a battle they can’t/won’t win.
Even Trump during the Zelensky White House
visit —told Zelensky….You are Losing.
Then the conversation went to— Ukraine troops
and lack of them.🤷♀️
Me- as long as we don’t put our troops on the
ground (officially)…we do have “instructors”
there…. right now🤬I am just going
to watch the Euroweenies money go up in smoke.🤷♀️🤣
President Trump getting Optimal Solution right now.👏👍
.
Hmmm.
If NATO countries realize that ‘selling’ these weapons to Ukraine will bankrupt NATO, perhaps they are taking bids (all off the books) from other flush countries to purchase?
Are there tracking devices on these weapons . . .?
Russia is not Iran. We started this mess and I am pretty sure that Russia can finish it off.
I’m pretty sure the “or else” part sucks for everyone. US and MAGA included
Midnight Hammer
Russia’s revenue from gas and oil recently dropped around 33%; that revenue makes up about 40% of their GDP.
I think our President has a decent hand of cards.
Time for all sides to stop this foolishness.
FAFO?
“As expected, no one in the media pool asked the key question. If Ukraine is not a NATO member, and Russia is not a NATO member, then why is NATO even involved? Not a single media outlet cared enough to even ask the brutally obvious.” THIS !!!!!!!
My thoughts exactly as I watched this unfold. WTF?????
This entire debacle has been – in large part – about Ukraine not being allowed into NATO. But now it seems the EU has made it a de facto member. This is absurd.
I also noticed none of these ‘journalists’ brought up Rubio’s statement from several days ago that this has always been a US proxy war against Russia!!!
What freaking alternate reality movie are we in????
I wondered how Zelensky got into the NATO summit recently. Why would they let him come?
Maybe he started heading for a piano in the lobby while unzipping his pants…
….and they decided letting him in would be the lesser of two evils.
He’s the kid from home alone
Without the cuteness
Mark Rutte.🤷♀️
Rutte during recent speech said…..
Ukraine has an irreversible path—to NATO.
Rutte is a Loser- always has been.
Beginning of his speech…one month ago.
Mark Rutte’s Flip-Flop Game on Ukraine’s NATO Membership EXPOSED! |Critics SLAM NATO’s Mixed Signals – YouTube
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Maybe NATO is all right with trading Ukraine’s membership with the U.S. ‘s . . .
That would be nice. We need to leave NATO.
Serbia/ Bosnia
LIBYA
This bothers me as well. That said, I think President Trump is clear about NATO membership as one of the major causes of the war, but at the same time he apparently thinks it is prudent to talk in political speak. In other words, he doesn’t want to argue about NATO until they get to negotiations.
What it comes down to is NATO being involved now doesn’t make a difference as long as when the peace negotiations start that President Trump sides with Russia’s position that Ukraine can’t be in NATO. That is non-negotiable from Russia’s point of view.
President Trump is doing his best to get war ended and countries living together under mutually agreeable trade conditions. This is the prize for President Trump (the goal). This is a completely new way for countries to interact. It’s going to take some adjustments for many people (that’s an understatement!). But President Trump is laser focused on achieving that.
So if he speaks “political” now because he thinks it will help us get to the goal of no war, I support him.
“…I also noticed none of these ‘journalists’ brought up Rubio’s statement from several days ago that this has always been a US proxy war against Russia!!!…”
Also, clearly detailed by the NYT!
So, summing up:
– Ukraine is now a de facto member of NATO.
– NATO is supplying them with both offensive and defensive weapons. Ukraine will use these to escalate the war into Russian soil. This will be done with full US military support – targeting/intel for one.
– We’ve given the Russians the oddly short and arbitrary “50 days” after which we double down on the failed sanctions policies that created BRICS.
– The bizarre use of NATO as a fig leaf isn’t fooling anybody.
– The media isn’t asking questions because the media is well paid to push for war in Ukraine. Added bonus: Trump gets to fail on a marquee campaign promise. His second time in a month.
Trump is now cornered and military escalation – direct US and NATO involvement – is higher than at any point in Trump’s presidency.
We’ve turned over the war to Lindsey Graham.
The US is now firmly on a path to war with Russia by the Fall.
$&@$&@$
Ukraine just joined NATO for all intents and purposes.
Was this the high price to pay for the BBB?????
Maybe it’s the price paid to avoid another Butler.
Looks like it. A BBB that projects to leave the national debt at 47 trillion when Trump leaves office, and 59 trillion in 2035. What foreign entity is going to buy the bonds that we print to finance the debt when the country is careening at full speed toward fiscal ruin?
No long list of Nato military actions for non nato countries none had or triggered.article 5
I agree……
Rutte said during a speech last month…..
Ukraine has an irreversible path to NATO.
🤬 😳 😳
And what has been Russia been the most
adamant about….No NATO for Ukraine.
Right at beginning of speech…
Mark Rutte’s Flip-Flop Game on Ukraine’s NATO Membership EXPOSED! |Critics SLAM NATO’s Mixed Signals – YouTube
Rutte is full of 💩 There’s a voting process to accept new members & Hungary for 1 will never vote “yea.”
Russia will vote no too. Hopefully US will vote no also.
Re: The Ukraine’s NATO Membership
Reply to 4gypsybreeze
Rutte is full of https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/15.1.0/svg/1f4a9.svg There’s a voting process to accept new members & Hungary for 1 will never vote “yea.”
Reply to SoldiersMom
Russia will vote no too. Hopefully US will vote no also.
There are 32 countries in the NATO:
Albania: Joined in 2009
Belgium: One of the 12 founding members in 1949
Bulgaria: Joined in 2004
Canada: One of the 12 founding members in 1949
Croatia: Joined in 2009
Czech Republic: Joined in 1999
Denmark: One of the 12 founding members in 1949
Estonia: Joined in 2004
Finland: Joined in 2023
France: One of the 12 founding members in 1949
Germany: Joined in 1955
Greece: Joined in 1952
Hungary: Joined in 1999
Iceland: One of the 12 founding members in 1949
Italy: One of the 12 founding members in 1949
Latvia: Joined in 2004
Lithuania: Joined in 2004
Luxembourg: One of the 12 founding members in 1949
Montenegro: Joined in 2017
Netherlands: One of the 12 founding members in 1949
North Macedonia: Joined in 2020
Norway: One of the 12 founding members in 1949
Poland: Joined in 1999
Portugal: One of the 12 founding members in 1949
Romania: Joined in 2004
Slovakia: Joined in 2004
Slovenia: Joined in 2004
Spain: Joined in 1982
Sweden: Joined in 2024
Turkey: Joined in 1952
United Kingdom: One of the 12 founding members in 1949
United States: One of the 12 founding members in 1949
NATO nations are required to confirm new members through a consensus-based process that involves political and military evaluations, as well as the ratification of the Accession Protocol by all member states.
The process begins when a country expresses its desire to join NATO, and if all members agree, the country is invited to start accession talks.
These talks are followed by the signing of the Accession Protocol, which must be ratified by all member states before the country can officially become a member.
Ratification Process: Every member state must sign and ratify the Accession Protocol.
Once they have done so, they notify the US Government, which is the depositary for the Treaty. An invited country only joins NATO when every member has deposited their instruments of accession with the US Government.
Political and Military Evaluations: Countries seeking NATO membership must demonstrate that they have fulfilled certain requirements, including having a functioning democratic political system based on a market economy, and being able to contribute to the security of the North Atlantic area.
To confirm a new member, all NATO member nations must individually ratify the accession of the candidate country.
This process is governed by Article 10 of the North Atlantic Treaty and involves a consensus-based decision-making mechanism, meaning no single member can be overridden in the process.
Russia is not a NATO member and would therefore not have a vote in the matter.
Hungary would not agree to admit the Ukraine.
The US would not agree to admit the Ukraine.
0.o
You said Second campaign promise…what was the first?
Epstein, I believe. Files released on him
Some categories of illegals not getting deported because they’re needed by our great farmers, or the hospitality industries. Or words to that effect.
Iran. Which is not over. Not by a long shot.
I can’t argue with you. But I pray President Trump has not agreed to what you wrote and that his goal right now is to get the fighting stopped and negotiations started.
At the same time as he’s working to stop this war, he is also working to show the EU they can’t afford a war with Russia. To me that is the big clue that he hasn’t capitulated.
Further, it is a fact that the EU can’t afford this on their own. They need to see the reality, which they don’t right now. But once they have to pony up, reality will hit them in the face.
Then President Trump needs time to show them what they could have if they stop trying to get us to fight their wars, stop their unaffordable benefits and perks, stop paying for all the green crap, and start figuring out how to become self-sufficient (no longer under the Marshal Plan).
If President Trump can show them these things and do it without antagonizing them, they might give up their goal of trying to conquer Russia, which is basically what Russia wants.
You don’t stop a war by paying for and enabling more war.
What happens then if Russia does not withdraw or simply ignores? What happens when a NATO country gives arms to Ukraine and Russia calls it out and fires into that NATO country?
World War III
NATO and US has been supplying weapons since the beginning….
🙄 🙄 🙄
And planning just about every bit of it.
Good question my understanding of article 5 is defense of an unprovoked attack.
and what would be the definition of “unprovoked” given we keep saying the russia attacked ukraine “unprovoked”?
Ukraine(greater Israel ) is still not officially in the NATO…..
“Under Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty, parties agree that ‘an armed attack against one or more of them … shall be considered an attack against them all.’ Under the Charter of the United Nations (U.N. Charter) and customary international law, an armed attack permits a country to potentially use force in its defense—one of the exceptions to the prohibition of the use of force against another state set forth in the U.N. Charter. In the event of such an attack, Article 5 obligates each party to exercise this right of self-defense by taking ‘such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the territory protected by the treaty’ (emphasis added). Article 3 of the treaty contains complementary obligations for NATO members to carry out these mutual defense obligations if necessary by ‘maintain[ing] and develop[ing] their individual and collective capacity to resist armed attack.’” — From “The North Atlantic Treaty: U.S. Legal Obligations and Congressional Authorities”, Congressional Research Service January 2025
Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty states that an armed attack against one or more NATO members in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against all members.
Ugh
That would be an odd position to take with Germany based on there very near history at the time NATO was formed. I would be checking fine print suicide packs are for lovers not countries
This is NATO attacking a non-member. Not covered. IMO
Ugh
Article 5
“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
In other words, “such actions deemed necessary” could be all-out war or nothing at all.
Matt V, before there was Article 5 there was Article 3 requiring NATO member states to maintain and develop their individual and collective capacity to resist armed attacks through continuous self-help and mutual aid. The Trump action reverses four years of Biden flaccid leadership and NATO just piddling out armaments, Putin saw this and calculated NATO wouldn’t push back on his Ukraine invasion. And they didn’t!
Dr. Trump is boosting NATO’s “T” factor
My position on that remains the same. Do nothing until/unless CONgress declares war. Make the slimy neocons own it.
It may be the common understanding but there are so many caveats it turns out to be meaningless. What it doesn’t mean is that NATO nations mobilize and rush to defend the member being attacked, not that they could, anyway.
I’m pretty sure every country in the West does not have the stomach for casualties on the level that Ukraine suffered and is suffering.
Retaliation isn’t an attack.
See my response to Trialbytruth above.
You forgot the word “unprovoked”.
Since the beginning of the SMO…
the weapons are/were supplied
by NATO.
🙄
Nothing changes!
Exactly. If that happens………. good thing NATO and the US Senators have a handle on that situation if it arises (said no one ever).
On the bright side, it could be quite the light show, way over there, watching it from way over here , with zero repercussions for all our indirect involvement, being we are arming NATO/Europe to the teeth and getting rich on the manufacturing of it (?????) plus for them and a double plus for us (?????), the money and no direct involvement (kinda sorta).
The brilliance of this plan is lost to me. I’m too dumb, I guess.
Don’t be sure about the light show over there. You would never know what happened when everything goes dark here.
A huge red pill for me was nazi natos illegal actions in the Balkan assisting wwii nazis including alqaeda
What happens?
They send in the troops.
Technically noting. If you are a participant (via supplying weapons, manpower or money) then Russia didn’t attack you. You attacked them & they retaliated.
Trump knows how to implement maximum pressure campaigns. I hope it works.
However, the question about NATO’s involvement is truly concerning.
If Europe has a defensive issue about Russia…shouldn’t they just form a coalition of the willing separate from NATO?
NATO clearly needs reform and new purpose defined if it is to continue.
NATO clearly needs not to continue, in my humble opinion.
EU : “50 days is a very long time.”
See? All the right people are not happy. This should be cause for some happiness.
Oh Martin….
Seeing and hearing the ‘brilliant “
Kaja Kallas…🤯🤯🤢🤢
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Kallas is another piece of work.
I agree with the basic tenet if what you say.
But, Russia is fighting the fight that they know that Europe and the US have planned for them.
Evidence? Events since 2014 Maidan.
“The carrot is the 50 days to get finished. The stick is all hell will break loose on Russia, including new and powerful offensive weapons, if Putin doesn’t end the conflict prior to the 50-day deadline.”
Putin has already had around 1200 days to finish his “Special Military Operation” (one hell of a depraved euphemism for hundreds of thousands being killed), so he’s really going to have to step on the killing gas if he wants to finish it up in 50 days, which he probably has no intention of doing, because as President Trump said about Putin: “He’s gone absolutely CRAZY”.
Odessa. Once he has Odesa Ukraine is landlocked.
Then from there to the Romanian border. 135 miles.
“The carrot is the 50 days to get finished. The stick is all hell will break loose on Russia, including new and powerful offensive weapons, if Putin doesn’t end the conflict prior to the 50-day deadline.”
Putin has made it abundantly clear: 1.) Crimea (and now additional territories) belong to Russia; 2.) Ukraine will not be a NATO country. Little Z says, in order for hostilities to end, 1.) All territories are returned; 2.) Ukraine is admitted to NATO.
At loggerheads, much??? C’mon!!!
Seems simple to me.
Ignore little Z, give Putin what he’s already won, then call it quits.
NATO/EU is the problem.
Has been ever since BoJo stopped
the original negotiations a month
after the SMO started.
Ukraine being in NATO is hard red line for Russia.
Has been for over 10 years!
Mark Rutte who is head of NATO …
during speech last month says…..
There is an irreversible path for Ukraine to join NATO.
That is what President Trump is up against…NATO.
Beginning of video of speech
Mark Rutte’s Flip-Flop Game on Ukraine’s NATO Membership EXPOSED! |Critics SLAM NATO’s Mixed Signals – YouTube
Being that the US has no stake in it, other than our severely diminished western dominance in military matters, sounds prudent.
Then try to fix military production and reassess worldwide military obligations.
Given their respective positions on the ground in this war, Putin’s terms have long been more reasonable than Zelensky’s. Absent actual NATO involvement fighting on the ground in Ukraine, it should be clear to anyone with eyes open that Ukraine cannot win. Therefore, what happens when the 51st day dawns and Putin is still at the negotiation table willing to stop the war and it is Zelensky who walks away because Putin won’t accept his terms that would essentially turn the world upside down and declare Ukraine the winner? At that point, who should Trump apply the screws to? Putin or Zelensky?
Little Z has walked away repeatedly, always insisting on his deluded position – 1.) Return Crimea and all territories; 2.) Admit Ukraine into NATO. He’s a broken record, failing to appreciate the realities of it all.
So, Day 51, he’ll still be clamoring for the same two things. The same two things that just aren’t going to happen. Putin hasn’t come this far only to fold. Putin wants those Azov nazis completely exterminated and won’t forget that orchestrated Maidan situation in 2014.
Yep. Trump needs to be considering over these next 50 days what he is willing to do with Zelensky if he and not Putin walks away again. It is Graham and Blumenthal and all the other warmongers (and the MSM) in DC and the European capitals who will make sure it looks like Putin is unbending when in fact it is they and Zelensky who want to keep the war going. So Trump needs to be considering what to do with the Western warmongers as well.
Personally, I think we would be better off walking away from the whole mess, but that is probably not going to happen.
You’re right. Let’s face facts: the Deep State runs this country. It’s obvious that they now have Trump on a very tight leash. It’s not just Ukraine. It’s Epstein and amnesty for illegals. I didn’t vote for any of this.
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Seminar concern troll.
Yep Ukrains going to run out of old men and children …however they have a tremendous supply of angry widows. My concern for Z would be which way would they turn their guns
A lot of the widows went to Germany to sell themselves just to survive.
Hasn’t Germany run a healthy business in legalized brothels for many a year?
Well didn’t they say they’re going to mobilize Ukrainian women now?
Whoever Lindsay tells him to.
Both are going to have to give a little to get a little. What the compromise is will depend upon their respective priorities, and will tell us much.
Or they will both decide that compromise is impossible…in which case Senator Graham will be ushered to the back of the class for a while and they (and the EU/NATO countries) can keep kicking themselves with this ongoing charade.
The choice will be theirs. As it always has been.
“The days of the United States sending unlimited taxpayer dollars to defend Ukraine are over. “
Prove it.
That right there sounds so ‘campaign statement-ish’. Such a canned comment. Blah.
Fifty-one days hence, our tax payer dollars may be spent to load bunker-busters onto B2s headed for Russian territory.
Why not nukes. If we’re gonna blast our allies to kingdom come, let’s git ‘er done.
(and no–no error there. I consider Russia our ally [in all things generally] far more than Ukraine)
This is the good part of a bad situation.
Again, agree with sundance here.
So what happens if they start running low on money and want a line of credit? I hope we don’t give into that.
Ah. So we’re back to the basic playground activity of let’s you and him fight – – and the stupidest thing about it is that, on a world wide scale, all parties involved agree to do it.
When U.S. weapons sales are involved all that high and mighty talk about saving lives goes out the window.
100% BadgerLand. Amazing how many overlook that fact.
In fact, a lot of people are saying how good this will be for our economy.
“In fact, a lot of people are saying how good this will be for our economy.”
War for profit. A concept as old as our ability to make a weapon and the ability to trade it for coin.
I’m not against the idea of constructing a weapon and exchanging it for some form of currency. Not everyone has the skill or resources to construct a weapon, but everyone has the right to defend themselves. It’s the exploitation of the weapon that leads to unnecessary death and destruction.
America under this President didn’t choose to have them keep on fighting; they did.
If they want to blow themselves to smithereens, well if they insist. If Europe and Canada wants to impoverish themselves in the process, well if they insist.
It’s truly a disgusting thing, but…if they all insist…so be it.
brutal assessment.
also true.
“they” includes the US at all levels and as the ringleader. Europe doesn’t do this themselves.
Two nuclear nations playing poker over a Ukrainian pot. Who folds or who decides to go ALL IN and the ramifications of such a move…..
Exactly. Stupid.
@Sundance,
How is Putin supposed to end the conflict if Ukraine will not oblige?
Exactly!!
End the Ukraine
That is a given.
Like WWII Germany and Japan, perhaps the people have long ago had enough but their leaders did not.
The idea that the people will rise up and solve the leadership issue is mostly a fantasy.
Really thought we were going to go balls out with a big fat defunding of Ukraine, from dollars to intell, to weapons. Is this really President Donald J Trump?
Bye Bye Miss American Pie…….
Ok. I really do have confidence PDJT has this under wraps. Just hard to wrap head around what I do not know. Upside, Maybe during these 50 days Ukranians will fight with Russia to become Russia Again.
Many are already doing it. See Patrick Lancaster on utube/telegram interviewing Ukrainian Soldiers who have joined a special Ukrainian Unit fighting with Russia against Ukraine and Zelinsky.
I remember VSGPDJT 6’3″ tall…who is 5’9″ tall ????
I am sure sometime soon, the President of Peace will say something like “Whoa, whoa, whoa… we didn’t give weapons to the Ukraine, we sold them to NATO.”
“Depends on What the Definition of Is Is” Bill Clinton
The interesting part is if Europe gets their war with Russia they will have 0 anything to fight them with.
…..and when the dust settles Ukraine elections to replace the puss filled zit.
“L’État, c’est moi,” says the MIC/NATO…
Let’s hope cool heads are able to hard brake the direction in which we’re being driven…
None of this is filling me with confidence.
AGREE, Betsy, totally. thanks.
With the usual c’est la guerre.
This an extremely high stakes gamble on the part of President Trump. If it was any other man in the White House doing this I would be scared to death.
As it is, I know that God has blessed and protected President Trump for the past 10 years. Almighty God appears to be guiding and directing our President. I am hopeful because I have faith in God.
AMEN, AMEN, & AMEN
I see your three AMENS and raise you one. AMEN junebug
Depleted Ukranian shells.
Should be no more NATO involvement by the USA, no more arms dealing and no more intelligence sharing with Ukraine or NATO.
Threatening Russia never has worked very well in the past……..
Best option out of few good ones. God bless and protect President Trump.
Putin already has almost all the territory he was after, and un;ess Ukraine puts all their troops on the eastern front, Russia will continue to gain territory for the next 50 days.
It sounds to me like Trump and Putin already made a deal. Putin has 50 days to complete the takeover of territory and will then come to the negotiating table. Trump, likely also made a deal with NATO and Zelensky, that Ukraine can be rearmed, but if Putin agrees to a ceasefire in place, and begins peace negotiations, Ukraine must agree to do the same. .
I bet Vladimir Vladimirovich ..got eyes on pearl on Black Sea-O D E S S A … and after that since he got all card ..will talk to USA side….
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Odessa!
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Unsaid is that Ukraine can’t come close to fighting anywhere else on the front AND defend Kiev.
One…….”100% tariffs are executed if Russia is non compliant in getting to the table.”
Funny how this assumes the USA is winning the war and has control over Russia. Sure thing Daddy!
Two….”The stick is all hell will break loose on Russia, including new and powerful offensive weapons, if Putin doesn’t end the conflict prior to the 50-day deadline.”
Deadline, deadline and yet another deadline to do as I say. SAME for tariffs……always threatening to implement these at some future and ever changing date. I call bullshit!
He is just embarrassing himself and the country in the eyes of the world.
Why believe anything Trump says? There is nothing left but bullshit and baffle!
Oh & Ya………lets get back to Epstein, Donald.
Remember what happened after Trump gave Iran 50 days to accept the deal??? Wham !!! Slam !!! Blam !!! …the end of Tehran! So it will be with Russia. Trump is just warning Putin that the US is back to running things. After this will be to give China 50 days to dissolve BRICS and hold democratic elections to replace Xi. Trump is not happy with Putin or Xi and will be taking them to the woodshed, as will have to happen with any other second tier global leaders should they get out of line also.
Russia is not Iran. China is not some backward Asian country.
They are not to be bullied or trifled with.
I attempted to respond, but the comments are so stunningly naive, it just wasn’t worth the effort.
Taking Putin “to the woodshed?” He’s the only world leader who is actually a wolverine when it comes to protecting his country.
Russia is not Iran. China in not Iran. I’ve seen the old Soviet strategic bombing survey. It would take 6 hours to turn the continental US into a radioactive parking lot.
The Nuclear bombs from WWII/Soviet era
were…baby bombs.
Now they are 3,500 more destructive.
How Have Nuclear Weapons Evolved Since Oppenheimer and the Trinity Test? – Union of Concerned Scientists
Russia now has Hazel. ….no messy fallout radioactive mess.
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That was one lesson of the Iran strike.
The other lesson is western arms inventories are depleted and will not be replenished anytime soon. And even then, western industrial production at the moment cannot support a prolonged war.
Imagine when missiles start falling on European capitals or one of hundreds of foreign us bases that have no air defense assets.
Or…how about Trump stops supplying ARMS to NATO & Ukraine and walks off.
Because now we’re really making it OUR war.
A month or so ago he was putting the squeeze on Little Z; supposedly the intel channels were cut off; there was talk of shutting down Starlink; PDJT’s unequivocal statement to Z that he had “no cards”; Z started whining that PDJT was favoring Putin; Putin and PDJT were (seemingly) enjoying long phone convos. Now this???? What just happened???
Yes.
Seems to have been a shift since President Trumps camp David meeting on June 9th weekend.
I’ve been wondering what the heck went on there…
I assume BBB for Ukraine support.
Perhaps something we are not aware of that changed his mind.
And perhaps it wasn’t the Deep State, or perhaps there are other players within that Deep State that became uncovered at that point.
It’s been a year and a day since PA. And that’s all I’m gonna say.
It’s always been our war. The danger to everyone is making it Trump’s war.
Trump does not want war with Russia.
Most Americans do not want war with Russia.
Politicians want war with Russia.
Globalist want war with Russia.
Who is going to win- Trump/Most Americans or Politicians/Globalists ?
Let Congress go over and fight Russia. I’m not sending my son there to grease the DC grift machine wheels.
Something to remember….and share.
In April 2024…Ukraine just lowered
draft age…..to 25 years old.
Thinking that may be handy information-
😉 😉 I pray 🙏 it will never be needed.
And the headline…US pushes..😡🤬😡🤬
Kyiv Independent …December 2024
As US pushes Ukraine to lower conscription age, why won’t Kyiv draft younger men?
My money’s on the war P/Gs.
Nazi Nato exposed what they really are back in the 90’s in the Balkans.
50 days….then Israel will begin bombing Russia.
Nice description of op Mockingbird mate
The real down side … since the NATO membership question was not asked is that “NATO EU Nations” are mentioned as the trans shipper of the weapons.
The use of the term NATO sends very clear and unmistakable signals.
This literally removes ALL doubt and tells President Putin he cannot even consider striking a NATO member trans shipping the latest round of weapons’ deliveries. There no longer is no longer US and EU … it is now NATO collectively, in total.
Unless clarified otherwise … This also gives Z-Man a defacto 1-foot through the NATO membership door.
A lot of support, and even affection, for Putin in the comments.
For President Trump? Not so much.
Surreal. Like going down the rabbit hole.
Best case: He is ‘being played’ by those around him and the deep state.
Worst Case: He is showing everyone who he really is.
You choose.
Epstein, Donald. Epstein.
Maybe it doesn’t have as much to do with Putin/Trump and more to do with just wanting war and killing to end as well as separating ourselves from Ukraine and Israel conflicts.
Many people cannot countenance the idea that perhaps Putin (or people within the Russian government) are not quite what those people considered them to be.
Or maybe he is, who knows? Maybe we’ll find out.
I always like to keep my options and opinions open to change upon further review.
I do however try to always respect the chair nonetheless. And the chair has decided on this.
Putin is standing up for Russia. Trump is standing up for Ukraine. This is not the hill I want to die on.
I’m 100% Trump.
I don’t like what the or else implies for the US. The world can’t run on no oil. IMO that would make us more the problem.
So what happens when the 50 day deadline comes and Putin is still firing away at Ukrainia? Is the next move more USA military involvement?
Mr. President, take my advice and arrest our corrupt CIA, pull out of NATO, and get back to MAGA-ing. Me and most patriotic Americans don’t care about these countries that always end up being saved with American lives. DON’T DO IT!
There is already and “out.”
Rubio and the US and the defense department admitted defense stocks are dangerously low. I take that to mean our defense is threatened.
That is one exit.
At least now we know the exact date WW3 starts. Day 51
Don’t bet on it.
When you are REALLY in control, you do not have to issue endless future threats.
Trump is REACTING to Russia/China/BRICS. They are the ones who are in control.
“The carrot is the 50 days to get finished. The stick is all hell will break loose on Russia, including new and powerful offensive weapons, if Putin doesn’t end the conflict prior to the 50-day deadline.”
I think this is a key statement: what exactly are these “new and powerful offensive weapons”? Are they so ground breaking that they will FORCE Russia to the negotiating table? Are they weapons that the Ukrainian armed forces can use and operate? If they require US or NATO personnel to operate that opens a whole other can of worms – direct NATO intervention and involvement – an implied act and declaration of war.
As far as what is publicly known, the US and NATO are behind Russia in hypersonic missile technology (with conventional warheads). I’m not sure what the US has to offer to make Putin to cease all hostilities and agree to Ukraine’s cease fire and truce demands. Maybe some sort of applied AI technology? Just speculating…
You are wanting a war, just to see what new toys our military has. You’re talking American deaths in another sh*thole foreign country.
Me thunks your interpretation of jmp2cth’s post and intent just may be a wee bit off, Mr. Bailey.
Maybe, maybe not. The important outcome is for President Trump to stay out of this war and eliminate all of our domestic enemies. Get back to being MAGA! He’s slipping.
George,
I apologize if I left the impression that I desired to go to war with Russia just see what kind of weapons the US might have, the opposite couldn’t be more true. I’m definitely in the camp of “may cooler heads prevail”.
I pray every day that we can break away from this conflict in Ukraine and end this senseless bloodshed. But when PDJT speaks of new “wonder weapons” it scares into thinking the worse might happen. All I was trying imply is that we can’t take Russia’s military prowess lightly.
Looks like Vladimir Vladimirovich got 50 days to line up ..Hazelnuts/Oreschniks….
Sejmon,
Exactly that, Putin gave Ukraine a demonstration of the Oreshniks’ potential on November 21, 2024 when they used one ballistic missile with six warheads on Dnipro’s Yuzmash plant. The six warheads hit the plant at a reported velocity of mach 10 causing extensive damage. It was the first time such a weapon had been used in combat.
The interesting thing was that the warheads were inert – they contained no explosive charge – the damage was inflicted solely by the kinetic energy of the warheads themselves. Putin was trying to send a message.
Hypersonic missles are over hyped.
At least until you are the target of one.
Realistically, at this point having a sneak peak at all western weapons systems us doing the West no favor in the future imagined wars.
What happened to Trump saying no to NATO period?
Good question. I think President Trump needs to take a complete vacation to re-charge and clear his mind. Every human needs to step back once in an a while and reassess his plan.
Section 1250A’s Prohibition of Unilateral Presidential Withdrawal from the North Atlantic Treaty
“In Section 1250A of the 2024 NDAA (found at 22 U.S.C. § 1928f), Congress prohibited the President from ‘suspend[ing], terminat[ing], denounc[ing] or withdraw[ing] from the North Atlantic Treaty … except by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, provided that two-thirds of the Senators present concur, or pursuant to an Act of Congress.’ Congress further prohibited the use of any funds to ‘support, directly or indirectly, any decision to’ withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty without Senate advice and consent or statutory authorization. Although Congress has to some extent regulated the President’s withdrawal from a treaty in the past, Section 1250A is the first statute in which Congress has prohibited unilateral presidential withdrawal from a treaty.” — From “The North Atlantic Treaty: U.S. Legal Obligations and Congressional Authorities”, Congressional Research Service, January 2025
When President Trump avowed that Zelensky “held no cards,” I thought DJT would shut down our support right there. Somehow that option disappeared. Now the fire flames up. Looks to me like Putin has no choice but to go all out and take out Zelensky’s forces before the new weapons from NATO arrive
That might be part of the US strategy – to try to “get Putin to turn up the volume.” But I don’t think that he has any motivation to do anything other than what Russian military plans already are. Which we don’t know.
We know. Go listen to Putin.
Yep,
The War Pigs have got their way.
Sadly ( at least IMO ) too many folks are underestimating the hatred a significant number of nations in the world have for the foreign policy of U.S.A.
No one I know would resist Putin so Lindsay 🤮 Graham and Liar scumbag Blumenthal could do a “happy dance”
These are different times..Check out how many times the iconic Sabbath “ War Pigs” has been viewed/ listened too.
If one hasn’t check out the video..
Our mid thirty somethings and many of their acquaintances have.
Cheers!
I don’t think the new weapons can change a conventional war on the ground. So I think Russia will keep doing as they are on their timetable.
Saddam’s fatal flaw was he didn’t know when to flinch in a game of chicken….we’ll see if Putin is better.
2 different countries, 2 different people, 2 different times, 2 different goals
VVP: “The World respect only those who can protect themselves”…..have you seen damage done by hypersonic missile Oreschnik ????
The damage was done by kinetic energy (inert) warheads, no explosives involved.
Good for the US military industrialists, who are promised more 💰 orders, 💰but don’t expect a strong reaction from Russia. They are not affected by “US sanctions” anyway. The only thing that this means is that this is now, “Trump’s War.”
Wrong.
That is not what this means.
You should contact your older brother, Will and tell him to “wish Putin and Zelenskyy into the cornfield “. EE-ZEE, PEE-ZEE!
“It’s A Good Life”, right? 😁
Trump is actually the president and commander in chief.
Quite a change.
And the media will continue on with their love for Kamala and what it could have been.
Excuse me, go get yourself another name and stop pinching mine. I have been posting here for years as Mimi.
So in other words, 50 days of war is what it took for the Republican warhawks to vote for the BBB!
50 days of war?
Wut?
The sanctions on Russia would only make sense if Trump puts equivalent sanctions on Europe and Canada. Since the CIA is pushing this unwinnable war, sanctions on Russia won’t do anything.
Follow the money – the western politicians pushing the war are controlled by the WEF (through money) and western intelligence (through blackmail). The intelligence communities are loosely controlled by the WEF as well. Who controls the WEF? China.
This basic fact explains why the WEF wants to destroy the West (massive depopulation, farming restrictions and banning nitrogen fertilizer, enslavement through CBDC & Digital ID). World War III between the West and Russia would leave China as the dominant world power. Their military build-up is likely not for a war with the US, but a war with Australia, New Zealand, Argentina, etc. – the southern hemisphere countries that would still be able to grow food during a nuclear winter.
Place an embargo on European/NATO goods after 50 days and see if the WEF/Western politicians still take orders from the CCP or if the financial penalties for their war cause them to change their minds.
No 3d chess move, if Ukraine isn’t a UN member then why is Trump allowing the UN to buy the weapons from the US to prolong a war that Trump said he would end already… ohhhhh for the sale point that the US isn’t supplying Ukraine weapons directly.
A: because then it can be pointed out how NATO…. not the USA….sent weapons into a non-NATO nation warring with another non-NATO nation.
It exposes NATO and IC corruption.
So your on the side of plausible deniability of an ongoing war instead of ending it, like Trump said he would do and what we voted for, move the goal posts much. ..
No, you don’t get to presume what I meant if you didn’t understand. You can ask, but you don’t put words in my mouth.
And you are reading the situation all wrong.
And then what happens if Russia reacts to the new weapons hitting inside Russia by sending missiles into a NATO country? Are we then obliged to join in because of Article 5?
Automatically obliged? No.
..NATO member.. not UN
Interesting data point.
Reminds me of what else is coming up. A few more months and the Russian Federation’s special military operation will exceed the length of the great patriotic war as Russians would call it.
President Putin likely has plans to wrap up this operation before that point anyways.
6/22/1941 to 5/8/1945
I still have a problem with both how Trump handled the Epstein situation and now this new 50 day threat. What happened to Trump after 4th of July?
I will see how others feel and back off.
I don’t like Trump hanging out this Lindsey Graham. Not a good influence on Trump.
…Not since 07/04 but since NATO meeting..did VSGPDJT shrunk from 6’3″ TO 5’9″ ???????
Graham is useful at this present moment.
Lots of hyperventilating going on.
It’s a lock that PDJT is coordinating with Putin vs. the IC.
Words mean little vs actual actions taken.
Trump wants NATO (a globalist institution) eliminated.
Note that Trump is allowing NATO to buy arms from the USA. He is “sending” nothing.
If NATO then sends arms into a non-NATO country engaged with another non-NATO country, then
1) that is on NATO
2) exposes the sham war
Remember, too, that NATO does want want to go to war without the USA.
VSGDJT
How do you know Trump is coordinating with Putin? Their last phone call did not go well. I don’t think they have been in touch since.
Rubio just met with Lavrov 4 days ago.
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It’s President Trump’s war now.
LOL
No, it isn’t.
Um…. Somebody please explain how this changes Putin’s strategy at all.
Putin knows Trump is not actually in control of the IC. And he knows the IC has no interest in actual peace in Ukraine. And he knows the IC is wants Russia diminished in the world scale. So why would Putin take the 50 days seriously?
The threat of tarrifs and sanctions have always been there. It’s not like Putin didn’t see that coming and hasn’t accounted for it. And NATO has been involved since day one sooooo…… I’m not sure how this changes Putin’s motivation or strategy in any way…… Anyone care to explain?
So you think PDJT isn’t talking with Putin?
Hmmm.
Interesting.
Sundance posted an article just last week stating how even though Trump and Putin are talking, Putin knows Trump does not have control of the IC therefore can not rely on promises Trump makes if what Sundance claims is true.
Unless Trump is being honest with Putin about his lack of control over the black suits (as Putin likes to call them) and they are both working together to outmaneuver the IC, which I very much hope what is actually happening, then I maintain my stance. Putin is up against NATO and the IC and has been from the start. A 50 day deadline is irrelevant.
Art of the Deal. Pressuring the sides to a deal.
Putin misread the last move with Ukraine, withdrawing support, as an opening, instead of an opportunity. Now PDJT has swung the pressure on to the Russians.
Hopefully, Zelensky and his warmonger puppeteers don’t misread this move. PDJT is giving them an opportunity. Not an opening to escalate the conflict.
Come to the table, and make a deal.
Or PDJT will again swing the pressure back on to them.
“Putin misread the last move with Ukraine, withdrawing support, as an opening, instead of an opportunity. “
LOL
Flagged for consistently mocking other posters, which contributes absolutely nothing to the conversation. “LOL.”
GROK says that EU defense spending for 2024 as a percentage of GDP was 2%…….. so tomorrow they are going to 5%? So while we are tariffing the dickens out of them, the EU will spend like crazy on war?
If they want it to keep going, yes, guess they will. A stupid move imho, but…
Nothing but nuanced language to continue this old ridiculous globalist conflict. Agree with so many astute comments already made here:
> This doesn’t make it a European solution, it only makes Ukraine a de facto NATO state. Pretending it is not is the foolish game of pseudo diplomats. A very dangerous next phase.
> Trump loves to set deadlines. It’s one thing to start a 60 day clock on puny Iran. It’s another to place 50 on a nuclear superpower, who already has a significant advantage over the Z comedian’s nation. Ukraine is in deep trouble, thanks to Z puppet’s unwillingness to negotiate and the globalists that pushed for the war from the beginning.
> Day 51….
> The threat of world war now grows exponentially. With no more pretending that NATO and America aren’t directly involved, it becomes EASY for a real or false flag event involving a NATO nation to erupt into a global disaster. China is ready to pounce as soon as that consumes American resources and combat begins (to come to the necessary defense of NATO nations thanks to this likely provocation).
> Trump is placing our nation into a dangerous position. We do not have manufacturing capacity to churn out Patriot and cruise missiles at a rate needed to both supply Ukraine, replenish our very depleted stores in multiple theaters AND prepare for increasing domestic supplies.
I can go on and on. I’m not saying this strategy is horrible, but it is fraught with major risks and a very low chance of success. President Trump is being guided back toward NATO by the same NeoCons who cannot seemingly be squashed. I thought we just needed to get the BBB passed, and THEN we would see the real President Trump take unbridled action. Seems like he’s been fitted for one instead.
Another poster who thinks Trump isn’t coordinating behind the scenes with Putin.
You have provided absolutely no evidence of this yet consistently post the same speculation.
I have a way to get his attention…. 😉
Rubio just met….again …with Lavrov
4 days ago?
There is communication…..🤷♀️
ABC News….
Rubio, Lavrov meet after Russian barrage on Kyiv – YouTube
Fionnagh: you need to refine your diction.
Coordinating, negotiating, dealing and communicating are all three different activities – with different implications. Some are more general.
Language games.