As expected, no one in the media pool asked the key question. If Ukraine is not a NATO member, and Russia is not a NATO member, then why is NATO even involved? Not a single media outlet cared enough to even ask the brutally obvious.
LET US NOT PRETEND. There is good news and there is bad news within the outlined strategy. More good than bad, despite the spin room narrative engineering being immediately spread by U.S. media.
First, President Trump is giving Russian President Vladimir Putin 50 days to finish his strategic military operations in Ukraine, before a 100% tariff rate is executed against the Russian economy. With direct U.S. trade with Russia already not happening, the tariff would likely be applied toward any country purchasing any goods or resources from Russia (specifically India, China, Iran, etc.).
Second, despite Lindsey Graham and the EU leaders discussing the confiscation of Russian assets held in EU/USA bonds, neither President Trump nor NATO General Secretary Mark Rutte mentioned it. Again, the media never asked that question. Thankfully, President Trump seems to realize if such a confiscation took place, the financial credibility of the entire western finance system would be compromised. No nation would want to put their national wealth at risk by buying U.S. and EU treasury bonds.
Third, the part the MSM will focus on. In the interim of the 50 days, NATO will be both purchasing and moving offensive and defensive weapons systems into Ukraine. On the defensive weapon side, Germany will likely send Patriot missile batteries, and NATO will replace them with new U.S. purchases. In addition all NATO states will provide increased offensive weapons and purchases will be made from U.S. stockpiles. Those new offensive weapons will likely be held back until the end of the 50 days, giving Putin something to think about to bring him to the table.
Summary. Putin has 50 days. In the interim NATO is approved by Trump to ship offensive and defensive weapons into Ukraine. The Senate sanctions package will continue to be assembled, perhaps approved, but not deployed until after the 100% tariffs are executed if Russia is non compliant in getting to the table.
The carrot is the 50 days to get finished. The stick is all hell will break loose on Russia, including new and powerful offensive weapons, if Putin doesn’t end the conflict prior to the 50-day deadline.
IMO:
50 days will give our weapons makers time to expand production facilities to make many more weapons. This will be huge for their bottom line and I am sure they will make it happen.
There are so many factories that are standing empty, it would not take long to have them retooled. There are quite a few workers with experience in tool and dye out of work and would not mind moving to locations where the experience is needed. This could possibly be a contributor to a boom in the economy because there are small part manufacturers that would also participate in the manufacturing of these weapons.
If that is the plan, then the big weapons makers and their smaller suppliers will pay more taxes. We will probably be rebuilding our stockpiles as well, and we will be receiving money from NATO. Last but not least, the employment numbers will improve.
We should consider making these weapons as though we are on a war footing.
That would be my recommendation. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Thank goodness I am not smart enough to be influential. 😀😀😀
Unfortunately, we have to rely on China for chips and others specialized parts. Lessons learned.
Putin can just cut every underwater fiber cable to Europe. I imagine he already has the charges in place. Putin can loan nukes to Iran.
if anyone is interested:
https://www.submarinecablemap.com/
if anyone is interested:
https://www.submarinecablemap.com/
Kewl.
0.o
Thanks for the link that is a great map.
or Pakistan….
Putin has had the ability to do that already. And hasn’t. Putin has been one of the few adults in the room over the past few years.
Putin has shown great restraint! He knows we blew up the Nordstream pipeline and he has not retaliated against us.
Interesting solution to this mess. Let’s pray it works.
We will see how serious Mr P and Mr Z are about wanting peace.
I am amused that so very few people seem to realize PDJT is coordinating and speaking with Putin all along.
Watch what they actually do, not what they say.
I don’t care what they are doing! The bombs cost money we have gave Ukraine way too much already.
While we here in the USA are being taxed to death!
Knew resolution let’s keep our nose where it belongs for once!
Not being snide towards you just over all this BS. Sick of paying for other countries sick of being taxed to death.
Sick of us trying to solve the worlds problems while we’re being drowned here at home!🤬
Relax.
NATO and the EU don’t have the $$ to buy the weapons.
Trump says he will sell them, not give them.
This isn’t an ultimatum to Putin, it is an ultimatum to NATO and the EU.
Sun Tzu and the Art of the Deal
Why supply NATO or offer them anything they don’t pay their bills as it is.
If they did buy them they would get a discount cause we have a steak in NATO to pay.
We shouldn’t send them S…t till they pay all that’s owed!
Pause it all!
I’m going to agree with this take. Trump probably had to commit to certain actions in order to pass his big beautiful bill. He’s taking a hardline stance, rhetorically, to satisfy Lindsay Graham and the hordes of like-minded creatures encrusted within the political system. But the actual effects of this policy will not change current Russian economic, political and military strategies.
You do realize that NATO is using US debt to pay for those weapons?
The only “art” going on here is the ability to fool the fools.
When Obama was pulling these stunts in 2014-2015 there was enough common sense here to call it out correctly.
The US taxpayers are no longer funding Ukraine. Since NATO is gung ho to keep Ukraine fighting, then NATO has the honor to pay for it. We are done.
We can’t simply forget the Mr C, Mr I and Mr A in all of this. Mr. Z is just a puppet.
A puppet, yes, to a point. But one whose life may depend on the show continuing. As such, I think he is capable of independent action to stoke hostilities and sabotage peace.
The CIA didn’t put him there to be independent.
What a catch 22. CIA wants war, Trump wants peace, should Trump push to hard CIA will 86 Trump. What I see as a good thing is we will “SELL” weapons to NATO, and not give them to Ukraine, but what was not answered will we continue to finance the Ukrainian government and all the payroll needs?
This is the exact mess Obama wanted and now we need a exit strategy.
So what you are saying is that the CIA runs the USA, not the President.
Mi6 and/or the King of England run Ukraine with US taxpayer support, of course. Great Britain is out of money so US Taxpayers have to pay the Ukrainian Government Salaries and Pensions.
It will be interesting to see what
the reaction of we 🇺🇸 American people ..
should Congress decide to vote to send another
”aid” package to Ukraine.
The last one went over like a lead balloon.
This time it probably will be 💥💥.
Most MAGA were royally peeved when
the Democrats did it under Biden.
This time, MAGA will still be peeved…and Democrats
will join in….because…well…it would be President Trump.
🙃 🙃
I think that has already been verified.
No that is not what I was saying. Unfortunately the CIA / Deep State are in charge of this operation, SD has shown that the Ukraine can not do what it has been doing with these weapons unless the CIA was providing assistance such as satellite imagery along with gps coordinates.
IE. The drone attack on Russian planes deep within Russia. That strike was a precision attack.
We just do not know precisely how much control the CIA has. Epstein files, there are several examples.
Actually that attack was done with drones placed near by and sight flown to targets. Rember the modified sheds on flat.beds?
Not just the USA, but most of the entire world. Yes, I said that. Read the Church Committee Report, as well as the incredible work of William Blum, and John Marks. And others. Or…We each run our own world, so let’s make it a peaceful and prosperous one! Be one with God, and you are safe. But that doesn’t change who’s been running the world since about 1950. Or maybe 1963… Pray for America, and for Peace in the World. God bless you all.
Yes. Unfortunately that is true.
Absolutely! Sundance has already confirmed this.
exactly. so we’re gonna print more dollars with the BBB, send them to Ukraine to run the government and NATO to buy stuff, they will send our increasingly useless dollars back to us to buy the rest of our arsenal.
you can almost hear China counting down the inventory and dollar collapse with glee from here, and i am in flyover country.
Except that is not what is happening.
The problem is every time we take a positive step that worm Zelensky bombs Russia.
with our assistance and intel.
Z is not finding and destroying russia’s strategic nuclear deterrent on their own, abnd it has no impact at all on the front line.
Worm is too nice a label for implant z.
CIA/Z attacks Russia in order to sabotage the peace talks. Happens every time.
Why is NATO even a player in this mess?
Answer:
The Deep State
So NATO is footing the bill for these weapons and the biggest contributor to NATO is ?
I believe the deal is that NATO countries other than the U.S. will be purchasing.
And the secondary tariffs are where this deal is at.
Probably a good idea to talk to our President and make a deal, and there are some reports that might suggest that Russia is considering: Putin announced that there will be a pull back in military expenditure over the next 3 years.
Read Sundance post again
Germany will supply defensive weapons and NATO will purchase new ones from US
I read it as well as other reports. The countries that compose NATO, other than the U.S., will be purchasing the weapons. We’ll be making them.
Haa wishful thinking.. it says NATO not the countries that compose but not the US.
How can Putin take ANY deal seriously as long as the USIC is there to thwart any good faith deal? As long as this country has TWO leaders we’re in a crappy position as it relates to making deals. We have one POTUS and we have one USIC. We don’t know WHO the USIC is but we know people like Lindsey Graham is the USIC’s ambassador or representative or some such role. This is why Trump keeps endorsing Graham in his election.
As a S.Carolina resident, I might have to vote Democrat for senator. I’m sick of Graham trying to take my son into a world war. Since Trump isn’t endorsing a primary challenger, what option is there?!
If Putin makes a deal, I can all but guarantee “Ukraine” will launch more attacks to ruin the whole F’ing thing… AGAIN. I hope there is some Red October stuff going on here and there’s some kind of plan to truly end this.
THIS!
Thank you Daniel.
How can any reasonable world leaders feel confident that any deal with the USCIA will be honored?
“Social Security number will never become a national ID.
“J6 was a deadly unarmed rebellion.”
Your entry here:
Yes
It’s not just who will be paying for them, it’s who will be DELIVERING them… and providing the people to “show Ukraine how to use them.” It won’t be the US!! (I hope!)
And this 50 days thing. I wonder about that. Is Trump saying “End Ukraine’s government now?” I have zero doubt Russia could do it if they wanted to. Their stated goals does not include this however. So what’s supposed to actually happen here?
It ain’t George Soros, that’s for damned sure.
NATO countries are buying FROM the USA.
Ok, so maybe this gets Putin to the table but what gets zelenskii to negotiate in good faith?
another home in the french riviera, perhaps?
Our President puts pressure on those NATO countries to not give Ukraine those weapons. That’s another part of this deal that’s sort of baked in.
Zelensky is illegitimate. He can’t do anything.
Yup…..
And Martial Law until August.
That is one of reasons claimed for no election.
Ukraine’s parliament extends martial law until August | Reuters
I appreciate that DJT wants to look like he is doing something. But, increasing tariffs on BRICS countries and / or seizing the assets of these countries which are currently invested in the West, will simply cause them to double down on the BRICS alliance, no?
The actual problem is being driven by the globalist European warmongers and, of course, our own IC. Is the plan to surrender to these forces / interests and attempt to divert attention elsewhere??? I think (hope) that most folks are smarter than that.
thats surely what i would be doing is just accelerating my exit from the dollar.
remember just a few months ago how this entire forum was decrying that we use the dollar to bully everyone and we should just stay out of their business?
pepperidge farms remembers.
The BRICS summit wasn’t exactly an earth shatterer; seems as though BRICS isn’t doing as well as its member nations had thought.
Bingo
Source?
Because I follow Global News/Geopolitics
and from what I have been reading/listening to….
quite the opposite!
A lot was accomplished, including more partner nations
joining.
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Really?
Can you give a list of those new members because last time I checked new members were added in January. I think one of them was Cuba.
And the only thing of any notice was that the member nations were going to do another development and investment deal through the New Development Bank, located in Shanghai.
Xi didn’t attend.
BRICS Summit 2025: 11 New Partner Countries Welcomed Including Indonesia, Nigeria | NewsX – YouTube
Xi nor Putin attended. They sent highest
representative.
Don’t blame either one. They both have been
doing some serious wheeling and dealing
with other countries last couple of months.
And with the political climate of assassinations
or attempted assassinations….Very Wise Move.
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Putin didn’t attend due to concerns for the international arrest warrant issued to have him arrested and for which the nation of Brazil is a member of those nations saying to honor that warrant;
Rumors are that Xi did not attend as he is busy staving off a coup back home.
Putin did not attend either.
And India stated it will continue to base its transactions on the U.S. dollar, not the BRICS+ equivalent nor the competition to the SWIF money transfer method, so agree, BRICS+ recent meeting had some nice press releases, but actual new moves, not so much.
On the hand the G7 Summit was a total earth shatterer.( Sarcasm )
Does anyone believe the EU wants war on its own land????? That’s pretty insane. It feels like this is all UK and the USIC driving the whole thing. Gotta wonder what their plan is to not die while creating war. Are they seriously going to rely on ancient deals where “leaders are not targeted?”
Nobody thought that Europe would choose expensive energy and deindustrialized, but they did.
Their leaders aren’t working for their citizens.
This is awesome.
Trump is telling NATO “I will SELL you all the arms you want, but we…the USA…will not get involved nor send troops.”
NATO and the EU will not…cannot….fund this war themselves. They are broke!
It’s all about the $$$. As ever was.
Trump hasn’t given an ultimatum to Putin, he has given a ultimatum to NATO and the EU.
VSGDJT
I think he’s given a very strong hint to all sides involved.
At some point, the hint should extend to a suggestion to Z and Europe to begin maneuvers involving a rolling donut.
Exactly!
Optimal Solution.
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I think SOMEHOW they will come up with that money or the USIC will make it LOOK like they did.
Isn’t the distinction here is that the NATO member nations purchased the weapons from the US?
We sold them to NATO.
So what?
You seem to be making the classic liberal argument that “guns kill people”, so guns should not be allowed.
you have an incredible talent for reading vastly more inferences than are probably intended from a few typed words by a complete stranger.
“than are probably intended”
Yes. Hence my use of the word “seem” in my comment.
My comment was conditional, whereas your’s is definitive. My comment was also directed at what was said, whereas yours is about me.
Of course, a liberal posing as MAGA would get triggered by what I said, and would attack me.
Hmmm.
That’s for sure.
NATO bought the weapons. Who cares what they do with them?
NATO bought the weapons. Who cares what they do with them?
As soon as the weapons are transferred into the Ukraine, Russia is going to destroy them.
If (and that’s a big IF) they ever make it to the Ukraine.
0.o
…and they will pay for the weapons with the money we give them just like we do with Israel.
Actually, if you look it up, we do not give Israel a lot of money, and weapons they get from us are bought, not given.
We just gave Israel $30 billion!
There is a built in 3.8 Billion a year.
Thanks to Obama……😖🥴😳
First line—
“The total value of the new MOU, which
covers 2018-2028 is 38 Billion (3.8 Billion per year).
It will succeed the current 30 Billion MOU signed
in 2007, which will expire in 2018.”
Its like a gift certificate.
We give them money to buy our weapons.
🤷♀️ 🤷♀️
FACT SHEET: Memorandum of Understanding Reached with Israel | whitehouse.gov
Think that is the distinction and was emphasized when the Sect. of NATO mentioned that the sale and transfer of the weaponry to the individual nations who happen to also be members of NATO is going to be following a unique new set of rules and paperwork – so think there is something within this agreement, not yet disclosed to the public, that is most likely a technical workaround where the U.S. can legally say the weaponry was sold to nation so-and-so and not specifically because of their NATO membership so whatever nation so-and-so does with those weapons after they paid us for them, none of our, U.S.’s, business.
That’s what I took away from the NATO Secretary’s comments when he took the time to point out the importance of following certain rules to the T crossing and I dotting part of things.
I think that “ending the war in 24 hours” has been extended a bit. Better late than never.
They have done everything they could to prolong & expand this war.
They who?
CIA
The 50 day deadline may not be so arbitrary. It marks the end of summer and the beginning of rasputitsa.
rasputitsa – the muddy season in Ukraine … spring and autumn
During rasputitsa, military action becomes much more difficult. Vehicles get stuck, resupply is harder, movement slows down.
Battle lines tend to harden in place until rasputitsa ends.
That just means drone targets can’t move. That doesn’t mean drones won’t be effective and that’s where a lot of this has gone to.
Thinking through knock-on SCENARIOS …
What if Russia’s response is a BRICS+ response:
1 – Any TARIFF [100% or otherwise] on their trade with Russia will trigger a Reciprocal tariff imposed by BRICS Partners on Imports from the USA.
… PLUS a HALT of Russian exports of their Enriched Uranium that powers USA and NATO Nuclear Power Plants.
2 – Any CONFISCATION of Russian assets held in EU/USA bonds – or of INCOME produced by those assets – will trigger a HALT to purchases of EU/USA bonds by BRICS Partners.
3 – Any CONTINUATION of NATO purchases-and-transfers of offensive and defensive weapons systems into Ukraine till trigger a HALT to purchases of ALL Weaponry from USA-and-NATO sources
… PLUS a HALT of ALL BRICS-Partner Exports of Rare Earth Magnets and other Defense-related materials, components and products to USA-and-NATO Customers.
… PLUS in response to any of the above scenarios, BRICS Partner nations will redirect their Military Industrial Capacity from support of NATO nations to support of Russia until Russia’s Requirements for ending the Ukraine Conflict have been fully satisfied.
interesting hypothesis.
i tend to doubt BRICs will go there, because their whole schtick was being neutral to individual nation’s political brinksmanship. that said, Trump has fired a shot across the bow of them all anyway, and my guess is they are about in position where they do NOT have to put up with our failed empire bullying anymore.
so in the words of PDJT… I guess we’ll have to see.
Tend to agree with your comment.
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No nation can afford to NOT do business with the American consumer base. Losing that access is indeed a “big stick.”
And lose access to U.S. tech, U.S. agriculture, and the U.S. market? Bold move.
BRICS already has em covered:
√ Tech – China for Tech with India for Tech-Services
√ Ag – Russia for Ag & Fertilizer plus Ukraine as former “Breadbasket of Europe”
√ Market – BRICS are the accelerating-growth Markets as China’s Belt & Road Initiatives develop Infrastructure, Russian and Chinese Power-Grid Development expands Industrial & Consumer Capacity & Africa’s escape from NeoColonial Control multiplies Export Value-Captured for Minerals, Metals, Gold, Uranium, etc.
It is certainly an avenue of possible responses to ponder!
Thank you!
Didn’t Rubio speak about some type of interesting solution put forth by Russia during their last meeting?
Could it be “Give me 50 days and we’ll both be rid of Z and you can remove the Russia Russia Russia from the deep states playbook”? Sort of like the Iran nuclear threat to Isreal was taken off the table.
Just a spit balling…
Quite possibly.
I like it.
marvelous idea…to “retire”… Z
I suspect this is why our President is still trying to bring about the end of the war, other than his genuine compassion for the killing of so many in both Ukraine & Russia: Ukraine gave up their nuclear arsenal in 1994 under the Budapest Memorandum which included assurances from the US, UK and Russia for protection and recognition as a sovereign state. Yes, Russia, under Putin, broke that assurance. But I believe the prospect of Ukraine joining NATO was the catalyst for the war.
I believe our President takes promises made seriously, so continues to do what he feels possible to pressure both countries to stop the war and save lives. JMHO.
I am not sure it is correct. Those nuclear weapons belonged to Russia, as Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union. In return Ukraine got other benefits but not sure about that. So Ukraine never gave them up they gave them back. Sort of like Turkey, our weapons are stationed there so if something happened the USA would want them back I assume. Not trying to be confrontational, just what I understand.
According to what I read online, at the breakup of the Soviet Union, the nuclear arms were underground in Ukraine territory. However, they didn’t have operational control of them, Russia did. The US and UK provided the technical expertise to decommission the arsenal.
Pretty much. We wouldn’t regard Holland as a nuclear power but they have nuclear bombs. American ones.
CORRECT
WRONG
I’m not the President. I am just a farmer.
Why are we involved AT ALL????
Trump must have an end game in mind that I cannot fathom. All hell will break loose on Russia???!!!! This sounds ridiculous and stupid in my mind. But, then again, I am an “isolationist”. I want no foreign wars, no foreign intanglements, no global governance, no digital currency… sigh…
Could President Trump be triggering RESPONSE SCENARIOS (posted above) that make NATO-EU positions Militarily, Economically and Politically UNSUSTAINABLE … requiring the West to ABANDON their support for Hegemony and embrace a TRANSITION to Peacefully-Sustainable Multipolarity?
There is a distinct possibility of that.
Thank you for saying this BFAW…I keep asking, WHY WHY? At this point it is actually ridiculous because no one has an answer or cares…
It is ridiculous and stupid and embarrassing and unhelpful
BFAW, I’d vot for you.
I think they would say something about Ukraine being a “strategic ally and partner.”
Sundance wants someone in media to ask this question. They won’t. Not even TGP or any others on the right.
How about if TRUMP asks that question in front of the media or in front of NATO?
If I were a betting man, I’d bet PDJT has something up his sleeve that is gonna expose NATO and the IC inside this 50 day window.
EU globalists are ALREADY complaining about “50 days is too long!!”
one can hope.
one thing it certainly does is give Putin free license to go ballz to the wall starting tonight. forgive me but i would level Kiev on the first day of the 50, and then put a missile through the front door of every government official i know that exists on day 2. and then when they declare a capital in Lviv, level that city too.
Putin has always had free license to go ballz to the wall.
So the rest of all you say seems moot.
Leveling Kiev is not on Putin’s “to do” list.
That would certainly open the door for a Fresh Elections Start to replace the government with one that’s advancing the future for their non-NeoNazi people.
Cui bono?
Will we retain enough equipment to protect our interests?
What if we revert to “Defend our Homeland” and skip the Foreign Wars?
Optimal Solutions! 👏👏
First, know what President Trump is up against.
NATO and Euroweenies who want/need war with Russia.
That should be no surprise-since the beginning -with
BoJo stopping negotiations a month after conflict started.🤷♀️
We will be selling…instead of giving weapons to Europe.
Hoping it is cash and carry- no credit.🤣
Euroweenies/NATO (same thing) will be going bankrupt
supplying weapons to Ukraine in a conflict that they
know that they cannot win.
President Trump told Zelensky to his face during his WH
visit…You. Are. Losing! Truth. President Trump probably
knows more than he lets on.😉
The only difference now is that Zelensky has less troops,
and has lost even more territory.🤷♀️
President Trump is not only trying to negotiate with
Putin…but the Euroweenies and NATO…. Zelensky does
what they tell him.
NATO membership for Ukraine is a hard red line
for Russia. Has been for more than a decade.🤷♀️
Now to really understand what President Trump is
up against…he is trying to negotiate with Russia…
and at the same time Mark Rutte …aka-always a loser..
is making a speech in which he says….
Ukraine has an irreversible path towards NATO membership.😳
beginning of video- listen for yourself
Mark Rutte’s Flip-Flop Game on Ukraine’s NATO Membership EXPOSED! |Critics SLAM NATO’s Mixed Signals – YouTube
Undoubtably, Russia is aware of the speech and knows
the score. What I believe will now happen….
Russia will carry on. Continue the SMO -absorb any possible
strikes—-and still be at the negotiations table. 😁
Optimal Solution.
Oops..
Mark Rutte’s Flip-Flop Game on Ukraine’s NATO Membership EXPOSED! |Critics SLAM NATO’s Mixed Signals – YouTube
here is just glimpse of Mark Rutte…
the Euroweenies just shuffle the same losers
around to new positions after they fail..
kind of like the chairs on the Titanic 🤣🤣
Dutch gov’t collapses: Prime Minister Rutte resigns after failing to agree on migration policy – YouTube
Nicely done!
As Ukrainian NeoNazi intransigence and NATO support continue, Russia’s End Game gets pretty simple:
Unconditional Surrender table, with Russia calling ALL the shots for Ukraine and NATO and EU “Leadership” to CAPITULATE.
Thanks.
Some Treepers follow medical,state issues,economics
elections….I follow geopolitics and Russian conflict closely.
🤷♀️
Do I know everything….nope.
I do hope I can add more to the conversation than those who just watch Faux news. 🤣
On this issue Trump is 100% on my side on this issue. Furthermore so to is every Republican Senator, and nearly every Republican Congressman, every Republican governor, and frankly most of America.
Tucker by the way is not fine. WW2 revisionism is not fine. Holocaust denial is not fine, Promoting America’s enemies is not fine. Promoting anti-Semitism is not fine. Demeaning Trump’s victories out of petty hatred is not fine.
By the way do you actually agree with Tucker that Trump’s gigantic border triumph in and out of court is nothing but a distraction?
Did you see what is happening in Spain?
You know illegal immigrants attacking an elderly Spanish man for not being Muslims, Spaniards for being Spaniards and the police attacking Spanish groups trying to defend themselves?
Tucker made it clear he is not on the Republican or Conservative side.
Being on the same side as “every Republican Senator” is not something I’d be bragging about. You could say you are on the same side as the deep state and covey the same information in fewer words.
Russia is not our “enemy” and I’m not going to allow our corrupt political class to make me think otherwise.
Your obsession with Tucker is just a smokescreen for your Israel First sentiments.
What in the world 🌎 are you going on about?
Tucker? 🤦♀️🤦♀️
oh geez…try to stay with the thread.🤦♀️😖🙃🥴
MIGRATION WAR: Spaniards and North-Africans Wage Street Battles in Small Spanish City of Torre-Pacheco After Pensioner Badly Beaten by Moroccan Immigrants
There is no carrot and no stick, just empty words from the Admin. This will in no way affect the Russian military’s on-ground strategy or Putin’s commitment to his SMO. Everyone on the planet knows the Ukraine army is on its last legs, literally. Infantry can’t be shipped and that’s their direst need. This conflict, from its very origins in 2014, has been fought most intently as a PR War on the West’s side. It’s not shocking that they’re getting their butts handed to them on the battlefield. And meanwhile Europe, Graham and the globalists get their wish… the Admin is still mired in the war and has been unable to find a path to freedom.
Meanwhile, without a change in direction from the Admin, the Deep State and our unaccountable elites continue to win and win with the Epstein operation. That’s a wound the Admin can only ignore at its own peril.
We need to see some self-correction over the near term, but it doesn’t look likely.
The Battle against the Deep State globalists continues…
We wait.
Russia and Ukraine are not in NATO, but both signed the Budapest Memorandum in 1994, along with two NATO members, the US and United Kingdom, assuring security for Ukraine if they gave up 1,700 nukes. Russia, under Putin, did not live up to the terms of the agreement and invaded Crimea and Ukraine. As a result, I think NATO does have a right to get involved.
those missiles no more belonged to Ukraine than the missiles we have deployed all over Europe and the ME belong to the Sauds or the Poles.
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So we deployed “nukes” all over Europe??
Yeah eff em up Estonia!
Completely, and historically, false.
Biden, along with the globalist EU, was pushing to make Ukraine a member of NATO.
THAT was the violation Putin rightfully responded to.
Of course, this was…at least in part….done in order to shift public attention away from the collapsing COVID narratives in 2021. The IC desperately needed a distraction.
Another Putin lover!
WE did not live up to the terms of the Budapest Memorandum. Staging a coup in Ukraine and overthrowing its government is a very clear violation of that Memorandum.
Please include the “terms” you are referring to. Thanks!
Wouldn’t Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 negate the
Budapest?
If we are keeping track of who broke what deal…
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Russia didn’t invade Crimea. They were already there. Crimea is a Russian Naval Base and home to the Russian Naval Academy which they have a 100 year lease. In addition, the population of Crimea is 90% Russian!
BS! In February 2014, Russia invaded Crimea, leading to its annexation on March 18, 2014. This action was widely condemned as a violation of international law and marked the beginning of the ongoing Russo-Ukrainian War.
BS
Ukraine was always from the beginning supposed to be non-aligned or at least not an “European” state
So it should be a “Russian” state??
Russia and Ukraine are not in NATO, but both signed the Budapest Memorandum in 1994, along with two NATO members, the US and United Kingdom, assuring security for Ukraine if they gave up 1,700 nukes. Russia, under Putin, did not live up to the terms of the agreement and invaded Crimea and Ukraine. As a result, I think NATO does have a right to get involved.
r0ng.
Rewrite history much?
Sheeeeesh.
But hey.
It’s your story; tell it any way you like.
0.o
What a bunch of Putin, the megalomaniac, lovers!
Looks like our wonderful President now agrees with me!
Say that again, then again until that sinks in. Then think about Russia, under Putin, did not live up to the terms of the agreement” then As a (result)? “I think NATO does have a right to get involved.” You think?
I’m not a big fan of war.
Seems the organizations that were established to help prevent war are like the “Inflation Reduction Act.” They actually do the opposite.
NATO long ago went from being a “defensive posture” to a proactive “offense posture”, the first such occurrence happening under the deeply corrupt and criminal Clinton administration during the Serbian war.
Sundance has expounded at length upon this very thing.
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Wait! President Trump will sell weapons to NATO! And,
If NATO cannot afford?
Oh well, no sale.
has anyone looked up who funds the vast majority of “NATO”?
I am amused you think the US, under Trump, is going to continue to fund NATO, as well as by your ignoring Trump having already secured commitments from NATO member nations, just a few weeks ago, to fully fund themselves going forward.
Thank you for bringing that up. It seems to have been overlooked.
There is much that is being overlooked in the hyperventilating reactions being posted here today.
Of course, not all the posters here are true MAGA, either.
i am amused you think that is going to happen any time soon.
True…..
But, since we “donated “ our required percentage…
that all we are required to do.
Now…..as for those who haven’t-will the squeeze be
put on them to pony up the bucks—Now🤣
9 countries have not met the 2% requirement….
🤣 🤣 🤣 One of which is…..Canada! According to
article they only reached….1.5%. 🤣🤣
Great graph….June 2025…BBC
What countries are in Nato and how much do they spend on defence?
the euro nations will HAVE to increase their spending on mil as we march toward WW3 and their mindnumbing insanity for russiahate.
whether it is anywhere near what is needed, or whether it occurs without any pushback from the citizenry, mass authoritarian crackdowns, or without financial crises that are already close for half of the countries on the precipice, is what remains to be seen.
Nearly 50 years ago, Heart’s Magic Man was near the top of the charts, but today Trump is indisputably America’s Magic Man!
There is absolutely no one else who can concoct these complex and nuanced plans; for peace, for world trade, for jobs, for defense, for the restoration of American Pride…and then pull them off, make them work and gleefully show us all that the ‘experts’ and the ‘pundits’ who said it couldn’t be done don’t know nuthin’ about nuthin’!
There are a hundred reasons that Trump’s carrot and stick plan to achieve lasting peace in Ukraine…
…but I wouldn’t bet against him!
Let’s be blunt. This is another betrayal and will result in more deaths in Ukraine of soldiers for a war Ukraine can’t win. Instead of just cutting off all aid and forcing Ukraine to surrender, more will suffer. Don’t cover for this.
With that mindset, we’d all be speaking German right now. Just being blunt.
LOL
What part about selling anything to someone that cannot afford to purchase what is offered don’t you understand?
imagine being a Uke soldier in a trench somewhere, today, KNOWING what you are there to facilitate… and the antagonist empire that sicked you on the bear just gave them another 50 days to keep doing it.
Appomattox.
Generals surrender.
I have prayed 🙏 for it for a long time.
this is very viable. surely the generals know the same thing the guys in the trench know: that they are cannon fodder to delay the west’s financial collapse.
a compassionate general who refuses to allow it to continue and has a sizable portion of their army under his command could end this.
that said, you have to assume that they are under far more surveillance and threats from an authoritarian Nazi state than Lee was. disloyalty will get you and your entire extended family plugged. because Ukraine is such a great, democratic ally and what not…
May I add 2 words?
imagine being a press ganged Uke soldier in a trench somewhere, today, KNOWING what you are there to facilitate…
I see it as Optimal Solution.👏👍
I do agree with you that it is the
Ukrainian troops and people who
are the victims of this tragedy.💔
The warmongers must Really hate
the Ukrainian people.
I 🙏 pray for an Appomattox.
Generals Surrender.
https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1944844682493653138
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https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1944847520858767508
LOL totally, touche!
unfortunately, thats what the russians are hearing from america, too:::: “its not trumps war! he doesnt control the CIA! he sure is disappointed! he didn’t know the bombing would take place!”
wa WAA WA wa WAAAAHH WAH
😅😂🤣
(dying)
“just and lasting peace” is code for more money for more war, and we all know it.
Ugh.
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The media reported on the Umerov family’s residence in a house off the Atlantic coast in the United States
Umerov’s family lives in a house with a swimming pool off the Atlantic coast
“The family of the Minister of Defense — all his three children, his wife, his brother and his father — do not live in Ukraine. They live in Boca Raton, Florida.
https://en.iz.ru/en/1916073/2025-07-05/media-reported-umerov-familys-residence-house-atlantic-coast-united-states
Boca is so 1980’s…Jupiter is where its at…
If Putin takes that ultimatum seriously, he will just ramp up the current offensive and complete the annihilation of Ukrainian armed forces as a credible force. The massive drone attacks that Russia has launched over the last few weeks will intensify. So will current ground operations that have stretched Ukrainian defenses to the limit already.
What new weapons does NATO have to give? More Patriots? They can’t intercept Russian hypersonic missiles, such as the Kinzhal and Iskander. They sure as hell won’t stop the Oreshnik if Russia unleashes that monster. They might take down Russian cruise missiles but the cost ratio is $3.4 million to $5.3 million per Patriot missile vs $100k to $1 million for a Russian cruise missile. More ATACMS systems? The batteries are already vulnerable to drone attacks and Iskander missile hits? More F16s? That’s like sending Sopwith Camels to fight P51 Mustangs. More tanks? The Abrams and German Leopards have failed in Ukraine. More artillery and shells? Russia is out producing NATO nations by 5:1. More drones would be good since it is drones that are keeping Ukraine in the fight, but NATO lags Russia in production and experience using them.
Perhaps Trump believed Rubio’s claim that Russia has suffered 100k KIA in the last six months. This claim is cited by the Economist and is based on the most dubious methodology imaginable. According to Simplicius, “In short, they claim their satellite data alerts them to where fighting happens to ‘intensify’, and from that they—by some incredible leap of logic—infer that Russian forces are experiencing massive losses. The baffling part is that this facile methodology should apply to the AFU in parallel as well, yet when it comes to Ukraine’s losses, the Economist’s staff are without even a hint of curiosity”. A more accurate count comes from MediaZona, which projects 9,849 confirmed Russian KIA from 1/1/2025 to 7/3/2025.
I always come back to basic ground war logic. Artillery inflicts 80% of casualties. Russia has a 5:1 to 10:1 advantage in artillery. If Russia had actually lost 100,000 KIA, then Ukraine would have lost 400,00 to 1 million KIA and the war would be over.
Russia supplies oil and gas to Europe, China and India. China may be even more reliant with Iranian production reduced by recent attacks on Iran. Does President Trump really expect to be able to impose 100% tariffs on major trade blocs without repercussions?
Basing policy on bad assumptions leads to bad outcomes.
👊 👊 👏 👏 👏 👍 👍
The trade Bloc repercussions (100% tariffs on China, India, and Iran) will be more countries building their industrial product businesses in the USA. This is a Major goal of the MAGA economic policy. Win win for us.
You nailed it…In another month at the rate Russia is advancing it’s not inconceivable that Ukrainian military will begin to crumble at a more rapid pace
Putin has been holding back perhaps he’ll just go ahead and pull out all the stops.
The IC will not allow Trump to stand by and allow it to happen. They will force the USA into this.
Whether 50 days is Trump’s “genius” move or not, I am positive IC/UK have a clear plan on what to do.
Like mRNA, Trump will be in a position that he cannot and will not turn 180 degrees from. The IC will make sure Trump can only go into war. Just look at Trump’s stand on this prior to his 2nd term and his stance now. Iran/Israel is the same story. We did not hit Iran for our sake. We did it for/because of Israel. We have nothing to gain in Ukraine. We should apologize for the biolabs and IC interference.
The main reason why I want the Epstein case to explode. This is a war with deep state, no one else. Anything Trump accomplishes in the next 4 years that doesn’t eliminate the deep state, will be wiped out in months by the next administration (whether it is republican or democrat). The real war here is the American people versus IC/deep state.
Yesterday she wet herself on national tv. Today Ms Grahamnesty has the vapors.
if there is a small light at the end of this tunnel, it is that he did not get nearly what he wanted out of this, though i bet there is another shoe to drop on the russian sovereign funds still to come.
i genuinely loathe that subhuman slug.
Well, there is a small hope here that I will get what I want when MS Lindsey self-humiliates herself out of office.
SoldiersMom: Heh, heh. Good one.
No offense Sundance but you laid out a much different timeline pre-BBB. Much like the “Batting Order” from the previous admin (been a member for a while) it looks like you may be a bit off target. Your conclusion is a far cry from Putin and Trump are going to join forces and change the world for the better.
Let’s sum up the last week:
Trump says Epstein is a nothing burgerTrump is floating amnesty for illegalsTrump is supplying weapons to NATO for a war against RussiaNo way to sugar coat this. Not looking good.
Bingo.
moving goalposts are something we expect from David Shapiro and Laura Loomer. Not Sundance.
If I was Putin I would grab all the land that could. What is left of Ukraine would be the size Lexumbourg, a mere formality, a placeholder, in the peace treaty.
All those Ukrainians died as pawns in some stupid political game. May G-d bless their souls. Such a terrible, tragic, heart rending waste of precious lives, whether Russian or Ukraine.
Yeah….no. Trump just gave himself 50 days. Treeper sophistication vis a vis Russia is not high
I don’t know why he says things like that in public.
WHAT IF: Zelenskyy and his “administration” don’t survive the end-game kinetics?
That would be convenient for the IC and it could happen only if the IC allowed it. I speculate with some confidence.
With Z’s silence, because he is dead, this would signal that the war will be allowed to end because the IC agreed to it.
That would be convenient for the IC and it could happen only if the IC allowed it. I speculate with some confidence.
With Z’s silence, because he is dead, this would signal that the war will be allowed to end because the IC agreed to it.
Didn’t Blackrock already pull out of the Ukraine?
Hint, hint.
0.o
That would be an act of war against India, China, etc. Not that such details seem to bother anybody in DC anymore. China is a sovereign country entitled to trade with any country it chooses. It does not need US permission to buy or sell goods from or to Russia.
They are free to trade with Russia if they want to; they can still trade with us — there’s just a tariff that has to be paid. See? Free to choose!
50 days is two months, that takes the war to mid-September, that’s the start of the Rasputitsa, where the ground becomes waterlogged and sometimes virtually impassable, hindering or stopping offensive operations.
Ukraine needs soldiers, not so much weapons, and is facing a recruitment crisis, exacerbated by Russia’s new tactic of targeting recruiting centres and rear area training grounds.
Ukraine has recently failed to demonstrate any ability to regain the operational initiative or regain any strategically significant real-estate.
Giving Russia a 50 day heads-up allows her to match and over-match any offensive capability Ukraine are to be given, with her own escalation of the conflict.
The West are struggling with their short-sighted, off-shoring industrial strategy being cruelly exposed by the conflict, and have not mobilised for war, Russia has.
Conclusion, Trump will give the appearance of supporting Ukraine, to stop DS elements running a Russia-gate II op, where they seek to blame the inevitable defeat of Ukraine on Trump, but he’s really using Putin the way he used the MOP’s in Iran, to resolve and remove a problem remotely.
Ukraine is incapable of regaining any significant
What a joke. Giving Putin an ultimatum means that Zelensky has no incentive to negotiate. It gives Putin a perfect excuse to turn Ukraine into a pile of rubble. When I went to the polls last year, I didn’t realize that I was voting for John McCain.
You didn’t.
And the ultimatum was to NATO and the EU, not to Putin.
You don’t seem to realize…
NATO and the EU cannot afford to purchase the weapons Trump is offering to sell them.
Not at all tickled to hear all hell will break loose on Russia, particularly the part about hell coming in the form of US weapons.
Missiles? I thought we were told Sleepy Joe had depleted our stockpiles?
Besides, ultimatums never seem to end well unless you are 110% committed.
I don’t think Americans are.
God Bless!
i am an american, and i WILL NOT allow my children to be sacrificed for this bullshiite.
I’m amused you seem to think you have any power or control over this, whatsoever.
My Dear Friends here at the Treehouse.
Please keep your eyes on the United States Dollar.
I believe much of what is going on in the Trump administration has to do with slowing the devaluation and collapse of the United States (Federal Reserve) Dollar.
In a normal (non central banks controlled financial environment) financial world that would have already happened, and in fact the US dollar has been, and is losing value.
I am seeing desperation here.
The United States Government created this entire Ukraine fiasco on behalf of the Central Banks, Blackrock and Satan.
I must seriously question whether Trump is in control, yet I do see elements of his pride and ego wrapped up in the last two weeks of decisions and public statements.
May God be with You my Friends.
definitely agreed. i have been travelling for work and pleasure all summer and the exchange rate is sinking in real time, the first time i have ever witnessed it get worse by the time i get to the next destination.
the dollar is in very serious trouble, and most of this is the lashing out of an empire that is sinking in quicksand. and its going to get a lot worse.
Yes, yes and yes my Friend.
Thank you for your confirming testimony of my warning.
“the dollar is in very serious trouble”
Actually, no, it isn’t.
I also agree. We’re fast approaching another repo crisis. Once reserves are tapped out with nowhere to get $$, (tariff revenue will help some, but not enough), then we’re back to printing it to refill the coffers.
https://endgameinvestor.substack.com/i/168288730/the-lows-for-the-repos-to-reserves-ratio-are-now-the-repocalypse-level
the BBB already allows a 3T increase in the debt ceiling. i bet we hit in within 18 months.
Thank you for your reply, and providing the link backstopping my statement regarding the US dollar, and subsequent warning.
The article deals in facts, allowing one to peek into the future. Of special interest is the September time frame, also landing within the 50 day time frame within this article. Coincidence, I think not. Please forgive the redundancy, as I am want to say “Its the economics of the thing”.
I was curious about your screen name, so I looked it up, allowing me to learn that you have a refined sense of humor, leading me to conclude you find humor in irony. Friends we are.
Wishing You and Your Family All the Best, May God Be With You.
Greg Babb
I found this interesting in view of today’s announcements…
Secretary Hegseth has withdrawn all DoD and Pentagon speakers one day before the Aspen Security Forum, I’m certain with the full approval of President Trump (and probably a directive to do so). Smart move.
I was unfamiliar with this group so I researched.
Here is their link and the 2025 Agenda and Schedule….
https://www.aspensecurityforum.org/
https://www.aspensecurityforum.org/aspen-security-forum/2025-asf/agenda/
After over 14 years of NATO training, three years of conflict , a dozen or so wonder-weapons and unaccounted-for billions of dollars, this is going to end the war? Sending more money after bad and making threats? That hasn’t worked yet. Better to say “what do you want?” and get to yes. Let’s hope this is some kind of move to placate the NATO/EU/Neocon warmongers until the signing of the surrender documents.
NATO has been encroaching on the RF for a long time. Remember the Cuban Missile Crisis? OK, the US had been putting nuclear rockets in Turkey for some time, and wanted them gone so they sent Cuba some missiles. The Kennedys made it look like they stared down the Soviets when actually they removed the nuke-tipped rockets in Turkey. The RF feels the same way the United States felt in the early 1960s, that this encroachment is an existential threat.
Sounds like a very fine line between peace and WW3.
” Not a single media outlet cared enough to even ask the brutally obvious.”
There hasn’t been media in the USA since Obama got into office.
Yeah right, it’s the middle of the month time to pretend we don’t know what’s happening. Good luck with that.
In point of fact, very, very few people actually have any kind of in-depth understanding of what is happening.
We can start with the fact that all the hyperventilating here on these pages fails to realize:
1) Trump has been and is talking with Putin all along, and
2) NATO and the EU cannot afford to buy the weapons Trump now says he will sell (not give) to them, so therefore…
3) His ultimatum is merely allowing time for NATO and the EU to “save face” and seek peace, because they cannot afford to buy the weapons.
Trump isn’t going to give them away. He will sell them, he will not give them.
This subtle but crucial distinction is lost on 90%+ of the posters here.
Are they paying cash or is it like the IOU’s they have not honored by paying their share of NATO dues. I’m going with IOU’s which will NEVER be paid, Alex for $1000.
Either that or someone will give EU money to pay for the weapons. Maybe CIA. Maybe money we gave to Ukraine. So we are paying for the weapons sent EU.
Will the Fake War officially end or will the globalist cabal be given another opportunity to manufacture another crisis. Perhaps tariff negotiations can be used as leverage to get the NWO to stop faking wars.
We shouldn’t be involved what so ever!
Plain and simple. This is ridiculous.🤬
MTG agrees with you.
The whole Iran and Ukraine proxy wars are passed the point of absurdity. We have so very little control over our government, no matter who we elect.
I never imagined Trump going down this road and the road is a dead end just like every war we have been involved in since Korea.
Zelensky will wind up paying the EU for the weapons with the money we send Ukraine! It’s like the rare earth elements deal. Ukraine doesn’t have any rare earth elements any more than Canada or Western United States and rare earth elements are recovered as a byproduct of iron ore mining which is a massive billion dollar project that’s why China is the prime supplier of rare earth minerals.
There is zero chance that Russia will agree to any ceasefire or deal that is acceptable to Ukraine’s masters. We’re now racing to WWIII. Russia sees the conflict as an existentixal threat to its existence. Russia’s minimum demands to end the war are not yet acceptable to Ukraine’s masters.
So how stupendous are Ukraine’s master? Do you not wonder why Putin has not simply annialated those worthies? Is one of them named Victoria Nuland?
Trump being Trump. He takes the same negotiating position, every time.
It’s clear that the President has forced the Europeans into a position where they must keep their promise to increase defence budgets because if they quickly supply Ukraine with their own stockpiles they have to replace them with purchases from the USA, and quickly. The Europeans will incur debt to the USA, so America is not at risk of not being paid by Ukraine.
The European economies are not doing well, and their promises to increase defence budgets are not immediate so we will now see how quickly they move. President Trump’s position is carefully considered, and the risk level is reduced. It’s a clever plan that calls on the warmongers to put their money where their mouth is. If European arsenals are reduced they will be far more negotiable as the negotiations for peace come into play.
Deadlines on tariffs have been shifted – so the fifty day deadline will likely shift as well. It’s hard to tell where the lines of battle will have moved by early September, and the rains will be only a few weeks away. A long winter will follow. Circumstance will likely demand that Zelensky hold an election, a mixture of certainties and uncertainties that will test the European resolve that maintains the war. Diminished resolve will almost certainly result in the Russians retaining the military gains they have made, whereas more foolish voices in the West have been demanding that Russia rescind them.
The key move has been to force the Europeans to buy the weaponry sent to Ukraine and to get Rutte to agree to this demand.
I bet Victoria Nuland is on the hook to change Lyndsey’s diaper. Sort of like the daughter in law waiting for the inheritance check…