The non-pretending reality behind this duo is that Marco Rubio knows Mark Warner participated in an illicit and unlawful effort to target Donald Trump using the intelligence community and the national security institutions which included the DHS, ODNI, CIA, FBI, NSA and a weaponized DOJ-NSD.
There is absolutely zero possibility Rubio didn’t know what the U.S intelligence apparatus, DOJ, Mueller team and his friend across the aisle, Mark Warner, was doing. Despite the SSCI silo that surrounds him, Senator Rubio knew the motives, intents and purposes of every element within this network from 2016 through 2021. Denying this reality is pretending on a level that is insulting to the honest observer.
As a consequence of that reality, anything Rubio and Warner say about the national security status is suspect to an admission they are both selling a story that is based on an entirely false framework about the construct of the geopolitical world outside the USA. If you understand the cleaving taking place between both global zones, West and non-West, then everything Warner and Rubio say about activity outside the Western sphere becomes transparently motivated. Most of their review is complete BS, and akin to trying to obfuscate the reality of the world “out there.” WATCH:
TRANSCRIPT – MARGARET BRENNAN: Thank you for doing this–
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO (R-FL): Thank you.
MARGARET BRENNAN: –and for speaking in the bipartisan way you’re sitting down with us today. How would you both define the greatest national security threat facing our country right now?
SENATOR MARK WARNER (D-VA): Well, I would define the immediate threat of making sure we push back Putin’s aggressive behavior in Ukraine, that we try to resolve the circumstance in Gaza, where you can eliminate Hamas, but also recognize the humanitarian challenge. But frankly, over a longer term, the bigger challenge, I think, remains China. We’ve never had a nation of equivalent economic size. And they are investing in technology domain after technology domain, where they hope to not only be number one, but frankly, dominate the field. And I think Marco and I, and our committee has really been at the leading edge of trying to expose that whether it was 5G or whether it was challenged around TikTok or the the need to make sure we bring the semiconductor industry back, but that China long term threat.
SEN. RUBIO: Yeah I think in a broader sense, I would say that the world is, you know, countries around the world have determined the unipolar world is over, and they seek to challenge it. In China’s case, they want to, if not replace, at least be an alternative to an American led system that’s been in place, certainly since the end of the Cold War, and even predating back to the end of the second world war. The Russians argue that they’re a great power, who are who deserved to have buffer nations outside of their borders that they have control over. Hence, you know, they want a bunch of Belaruses. That’s what they want Ukraine to become, and other places like that. And and then Iran wants to be, they want to export the Islamic Revolution throughout the Middle East, and they already have proxies operating inside of Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. They want to threaten Jordan, Bahrain, and ultimately make Israel an unlivable place and have regional dominance in that way. And then you’ve got North Korea, which is increasingly becoming aggressive in- in the way it’s responding to South Korea in both rhetoric and actions. So all these are interrelated. It’s a challenge to the world order of and it’s led this loose coalition of countries who and sometimes work in concert to challenge not just America, but our alliances.
SEN. WARNER: And I think what Marco just said is, these authoritarian regimes are more closely aligned than they were even five years ago.
MARGARET BRENNAN: On the immediate issue of the Middle East, Ramadan begins this Sunday, there’s concerns that because of a high degree of tension in the region, a spark could really lead to an explosion. Through the U.S. national security lens, how concerned are you about the rising risk to U.S. interests in the Middle East because of the close alliance with Israel’s war in Gaza?
SEN. RUBIO: Well, I think the risk is it’s pre existing, obviously, now we have active shooting going on and people back and forth that always leads to mis- miscalculation risks, and in some cases, hostility like we’ve seen already from the Houthis out of Yemen. The goal, I think it’s a mistake to view October 7, simply through the lens of the Palestinian Israeli question. I think the reason why Hamas was armed, equipped and felt the confidence is this broader narrative, this broader objective that Iran has to drive the US out of the region. It is why they are conducting attacks in Iraq and Syria, they want a US troop presence out of the region completely. So then–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Should it stay?
SEN. RUBIO: Huh?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you believe that those 2500 troops in the region should say
SEN. RUBIO: I do and the reason why I believe that is because they are not only there on the counter ISIS mission, let’s not forget that group is still existing, and it’s still a threat. But because they sit, the reason why Iran wants us out of there is that are we are stationed at key points that tie Damascus and Baghdad and all these supply routes that Iran wants to dominate, if we were gone, these proxy groups are now be at the border of Jordan, be able to threaten Jordan and ultimately threaten Israel as a result. But I am concerned I mean, whether it’s Hezbollah and up in the north of Israel, whether it’s what’s happening in Gaza, whether it’s what’s happening with Yemen, the risk of of conflict is very real. It’s a dangerous and tenuous situation. There’s no doubt about.
SEN. WARNER: But–
MARGARET BRENNAN: President Biden’s reviewing whether to keep those troops in Iraq in the same numbers.
SEN. WARNER: And I’ll be anxious to see what he says. I do think, though–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you think they should stay?
SEN. WARNER: I think in terms of current basis, yes. Because as long as we’ve got these Iranian backed militias, and others, promoting a level of violence, and I agree with Marco in terms of trying to push us out, but I also think, potentially out of this enormous tragedy, the tragedy of October 7, and now the humanitarian tragedy of 30,000, Palestinians killed. You gotta look at some level of optimism- Israel had already aligned with a number of the Sunni states in the region. I was recently in Saudi Arabia, I think they would like to find some level of peace, post the Gaza conflict with Israel, a stronger defense relationship with the United States. I do think we need to acknowledge the Shia driven efforts to not only push us out but also undermine the Sunni states in the region. And there could be an opportunity for a grander alliance, but that will mean the, the violence has to stop. And you know I think we both have a lot of respect for Bill Burns, the CIA director who has been doing yeoman work, trying to negotiate this hostage exchange, which would lead to at least that short term ceasefire.
MARGARET BRENNAN: President Biden wants to establish a port in Gaza to try to bring humanitarian aid in. It’s not exactly clear the cost, the U.S. military role. Do you think that is a good decision? And given what has happened, this tragic incident recently with a hundred civilians killed, some of them shot by Israeli soldiers according to the IDF because they were clamoring for food. Do you see any clear evidence of who is to blame for that violence that day?
SEN. WARNER: I don’t have the after action report. But I do think this, I mean, remember, United States has been the largest single donor to humanitarian efforts for years in the region. And I think it is important that we continue to show that. I mean, the airlift approach is more symbolic than it actually getting relief to most folks. But the idea and I’ve discussed this with some of the folks in administration, of using Cyprus as a staging point where the aid can be checked to make sure nothing else gets in, the potential then of having that aid moved from Cyprus, to a place where we can set up the equivalent of a field hospital that could help provide the particularly in North Gaza, the humanitarian relief, that is both the right thing to do. And I think the right thing to do in terms of, particularly as we go into Ramadan, hopefully lowering some of the tension, but also shows America’s concern for some of the humanitarian costs in the region.
SEN. RUBIO: I would just add one thing to this. And that is, it’s important understand why. Everybody’s in favor of helping innocent civilians who are caught in the crossfire of any conflict. I think it’s important to understand the reason why aid can’t get to them. And the principal reason why is Hamas has built this system of tunnels, it’s expensive. I mean, I don’t care if they got a great deal on the concrete, it’s expensive to build this extensive system of tunnels, millions of dollars, that’s money that could have gone to create an economy, to feed people, to build hospitals and, and serve civilians. They didn’t do it. And there’s real concern, and I think, very legitimate reason to believe that any aid that goes in there will be grabbed by Hamas used for their purposes, at the expense of the civilian population. Hamas has a track record of zero when it comes to caring about the lives of civilians or of society in general. They’re an entirely war footing. That’s all they do. And, and I think there’s just real concern that- real reason to believe that any additional aid would be taken- would go directly to Hamas will be controlled by them.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But you know, that the U.S. Ambassador David Satterfield, who’s handling that, has said, in written letters to Congress, that they have no evidence that Hamas is stealing the aid, certainly not defending Hamas at all. But saying that aid can continue to be pushed into Gaza without Hamas stealing it, the issue is the criminal groups–
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SEN. RUBIO: Well, I’ll just respond personally, I don’t know what he’s talking about. Because how does Hamas get food? Hamas does not have an economy. Hamas does- Hamas- everything Hamas gets comes from abroad, from Iranians and from what they take. I think the evidence is in place that they have existed as an organization without any means of generating revenue other than what they are able to capture from others, that’s just common sense.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure, but in terms of now, with the aid getting in now?
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SEN. WARNER: I- I think the- the food and water and other relief aid I think it is- you’ve got to make sure you have a distribution system. But I think I agree with Ambassador Satterfield. But let’s also step back for a moment. And I think a lot of the arms, food, other things that have supported Hamas was the fact that they have this tunnel network, which is close to 500 kilometers. I don’t think we- any of us fully expected that. And they have been able [to] secure that. The fact that we are 140 days, roughly, into this invasion, I think most of us, even in the region, thought the Israeli Defense Fund- Defense Forces would be able to take out Hamas. 140 days in, they’ve basically taken out only about 35% of the Hamas- Hamas fighters, and literally have only penetrated less than a third of the tunnel network.
And one of the things and again, as I think Marco indicated, the extensive network, we’ve had- we brought in some of our experts (unintelligible) to say that if- if this was us trying to take out this tunnel network, could we do it quicker, more efficiently? And candidly, the answer was, maybe we could be a bit faster. But when Hamas is gruesomely holding the hostages, to prevent some of the takeout of the tunnels? This is one of the lessons, this and I think the lesson of drones and in Ukraine, are two of the things in terms of military doctrine I think that we’re gonna have to learn from both of these conflicts.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But- but just to button that up. I mean, when Benjamin Netanyahu, the Prime Minister, says total victory is “within reach”, weeks away. You are not describing total victory within weeks.
SEN. WARNER: I- I have not–
MARGARET BRENNAN: You’re saying the impact’s tiny.
SEN. WARNER: Meeting with- meeting with folks in Israel, in the military community, in the intelligence community, the idea that you’re going to eliminate every Hamas fighter, I don’t think is a realistic goal.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And you agree with that?
SEN. RUBIO: Well, I think that it is possible to achieve a situation in which Hamas does not have the capability to do what they did on October 7. That doesn’t mean Hezbollah doesn’t step in and take over now as a result, that doesn’t mean that a new Hamas offshoot wouldn’t recreate it. This is an ongoing challenge. And at the end, the head of this entire snake is the Iranian regime. They are the ones that provide the weaponry and the funds. There’s no Hamas fighters starving to death. There’s no Hamas leaders starving to death. They’re all fed. They all have medical care. And they all have all the assistance they need to continue to do the things they do. What you don’t want is a Hamas that can continue to launch missiles, particularly against civilian sites inside of Israel, which is the goal here of Iran, and that is to make Israel an unlivable place, so they can drive every Jew out from the river to the sea, and- and- and dominate the region. Do I think it’s- do I think it’s possible to degrade Hamas for some period of time and deny them the capability to- to be able to do that to Israel? Yes. But ongoing, moving forward, there’ll be challenges, because some new group will pop up.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And- and it’s a U.S. national security risk, the longer this goes on, is it not?
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SEN. RUBIO: Well, all of it is–
MARGARET BRENNAN: In terms of fomenting, within the region–
SEN. RUBIO: Yeah, beyond- well, beyond that, I would say that–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –instability?
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SEN. RUBIO: –understand that one of the things that the Iranians believe is that the one impediment facing them to regional domination is the presence of the United States, in Jordan, in Syria, in Iraq, anywhere. They don’t want us in that region and they certainly don’t want Israel to exist either. And so they will continue to target us until they believe they have driven us completely out of the region. And it gives them freehand to then go after Gulf states and ultimately threaten more countries in the region, starting with Bahrain and Jordan, but I th- I don’t think that would be limited to the- just those two kingdoms.
SEN. WARNER: And most of the nation states in that region. Frankly, some of this goes back to the Sunni-Shia divide between Iran being Shia and the- the most of the Gulf state region being Sunni. They are no fans of Iran as well. I think they want our continued presence in the region as well. And again, the fact that Saudi and Israel pre-conflict, we’re talking about diplomatic relations and stronger economic ties, that is only going to come about once peace comes to the region. And frankly, there has to be a future for the Palestinian people.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I want to move to China, if we could, you identified that as the largest threat. Last year, you told me technology competition with China is the issue of our time. Just this week, out in California, a federal indictment was unsealed where a software engineer for Google was charged with transferring artificial intelligence technology to Beijing. How far ahead it- is the U.S. versus China in AI?
SEN. WARNER: Well, first of all, remember, the FBI, as of about six months ago, were still opening two counter-espionage cases a day against China. And one of the things that Senator Rubio and I have done on a bipartisan basis is try to go industry by industry in America and warn them of the potential theft of intellectual property, $500 billion a year, the fact that China is investing, you know—I’ll talk- I’ll speak to AI in a moment—but in quantum computing, in bio, a lot of our time spending on- on bioengineering activities China’s taking, they’re trying to next generation energy on small modular nukes, which is a power source, if they can sign up a country for 50 years or 100 year contracts. I think we need to compete against that. On AI, it’s a little bit- I believe, a little bit of a better story. You know, a couple years back when we thought the country that had the most data and the most compute and the most engineers might purely win, that’s not proven to be the case. The vast majority of innovation is still taking place in this country. If you look at all of the major AI companies, they’re virtually all American. I don’t underestimate China. But we have that innovative economy, that- that frankly, still benefits with us. And frankly, the Chinese regime is reluctant to allow these large language models to be used by their population, because, frankly, they might find the truth about what the regime has done all the way back to Tiananmen Square in 1989.
MARGARET BRENNAN: There are reports that China lags the U.S. by about a year. Is that consistent with what you’ve been briefed?
SEN: RUBIO: I- I don’t know how to characterize the timeframe. But I would say that’s not really the issue per se. Be- first of all, I- we’re clearly, I think, ahead, simply because they steal our stuff, we’re not interested in stealing their stuff. So there’s a reason why they want our stuff, because it’s better. I think the bigger concern is how it would be utilized and the advantages that it gives them because all of their companies and all the corporations, there’s no independent companies in China, they all must do the bidding of whatever the Chinese Communist Party tells them to do, and that’s–
SEN. WARNER: And that’s the law in China–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right.
SEN. WARNER: –that’s the law, as of 2017–
SEN. RUBIO: –and they’re supported by government so they can underprice everyone in the marketplace. So they can reach a level of proficiency in AI and deploy it with the support of their government that allows them to basically corner the market in all kinds of key things, autonomous vehicles, additive manufacturing, you name it. And so these are real advantages. The other advantage they have which drives AI, is data, they are able to compel and or steal and collect the data of billions of people, including their own population, but also here in the United States. And that data is what feeds AI and AI models, which will allow them to do certain things good enough to not just threaten our national security, but to threaten our economic vibrancy, and to put American innovation at a tremendous disadvantage. So Huawei is a good example. It’s not AI driven. They’re not the best telecommunication company in the world. But because they are supported by the Chinese Communist Party, they are among the largest in the world. And they have dominated market after market because they offer a product that’s good enough for a low enough price and a little bribe on the side for your friends in the government.
SEN. WARNER: And let me- let me just add here, we saw, as Marco just said, you know, China on, say, autonomous vehicles. They control not only the rare earth minerals, but really where the- their control came was on the processing of these minerals. What I’m afraid of is if you add AI tools with advances in bio, you could have, finally, breakthroughs that are remarkable. Now, the real innovation, I think, many times, will stay here. But if China builds up the bio-manufacturing capability, we may innovate, but the actual products, whether they be drugs, whether they be chemical compounds, whether they be new sources of energy, they could control the manufacturing sector. It’s, again, one of the reasons why we need to put those kind of technology competition in the national security umbrella.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, your colleague, Ted Cruz said, “Congress doesn’t know what the hell it’s doing when it comes to regulating AI.” Is he right? You’re saying Congress has to do a lot here. He’s saying it’s not really possible.
SEN. RUBIO: Well, it’s a new area. I mean, there’s, there’s no doubt that it’s a new area that we have to make sure- there’s two things to keep in mind. The first is, I still think there’s a lot more to learn about how it’s going to be applied and where regulation can make sense. The other is, and we’ve learned this from other technologies, they develop so- they move- innovation in that space, moves much faster than the ability of Congress to legislate or regulate, and so- and even our agencies. So I don’t think he’s wrong when he says that there still isn’t a clear understanding of what it is government can do to build safeguards. And then there’s the factor that this is borderless. I mean, at the end of the day, what we may regulate the uses of AI domestically, may not apply to some other place that may decide, here we won’t have those limits. So there’s a lot to unpack here. And I still think Congress is learning, we got to do it right, that’s the key–
SEN. WARNER: And listen, I’ve spent a lot of time on AI. And I’m not sure there’s a linear relationship between me spending more time and actually getting smarter on the issue. It’s really hard. But I would point out to some of my colleagues, that idea of, “we shouldn’t put any guardrails,” is how we ended up with a social media environment now, where- I think there’s very few Americans that doesn’t think child bullying, to ability to have our elections manipulated with my social media firms and others- that putting a few guardrails in place might have made, might have made some sense. And my fear on AI, and I’m not sure we need whole new legal regimes, but let me give you a perfect example. The ability for AI tools, at speed and scale, to manipulate our public markets is unprecedented–
MARGARET BRENNAN: But we don’t have legislation on this yet.
SEN. WARNER: We may not need new laws, we have existing SEC laws. But there might be higher penalties, for example, because the speed and scale which these AI tools could be used for manipulation, I think that’s not breaking new ground. But it is saying our regulatory structure needs to try to keep up and we’re always going to be lagging innovation. But that doesn’t mean throw in the towel.
SEN. RUBIO: I would add one more thing about AI and that is something I hope we can start talking about. AI is going to disrupt white collar jobs, jobs that people went and got degrees and even borrowed money to get degrees. It’s going to disrupt white collar jobs in the way that deindustrialization and technology advances in productivity disrupted blue collar jobs. And we’ve seen the tumult that’s created in societies around the world. We need to start thinking about the economic displacement that will follow the ability of a machine to do the work that it used to take 10 people with advanced degrees to do. And that I think that applies to the media, increasingly, I think it’s going to apply- it’s already applying to Hollywood. And I think there are industries beyond that where it’s going to apply. We need to start thinking about some of the disruptions that are coming.
SEN. WARNER: And one of the things that- I know, but I just think this is- we still have a tax and accounting and reporting system that still favors investment on a piece of hardware. You buy a computer, you get a tax credit, you know, it’s viewed as an asset. We don’t do near enough to incent- investment in human capital to actually make humans stay up and stick up, because Marco is right, there is going to be much more massive disruption amongst what was traditionally viewed as knowledge-based jobs. That doesn’t mean jobs are gonna go away. But we do need to have a, I think a new tax and accounting framework on how we invest in people.
MARGARET BRENNAN: China’s ramping up its military spending. Senator Rubio, you recently voted against the national security supplemental that would have sent 5 billion to the Indo Pacific and to help Taiwan. Why do you think that money can wait?
SEN. RUBIO: Well, I don’t think it should wait. I just don’t think it should be held hostage on the issue of whether or not we’re going to deal with our border and what I think should be attention paid to the border. And this is an issue of, of disagreement among, here, people in congress–
MARGARET BRENNAN –I’m sorry, I thought Republicans were insisting that the border be linked.
SEN. RUBIO: I did. But not- but the proposal they put forward would not have secured our border, on the contrary, it would have allowed–
MARGARET BRENNAN: But you voted against the border deal that–
SEN. RUBIO: No, we never voted on the border deal.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, procedurally, it never–
SEN. RUBIO: No, it was never voted on procedurally–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –moved forward.
SEN. RUBIO: –It was withdrawn. And the reason–
MARGARET BRENNAN: You did not support the bipartisan agreement–
SEN. RUBIO: Because the deal wouldn’t- the deal would not have fixed the problem. The way you fix the problem is by reversing the executive orders that President Biden put in place in his first month in office, which directly led to this crisis. For the first time in American history, we have a president that’s decided to make the exception the rule. No longer detaining people- our law is very clear, it defines who is allowed to be in our country, and it says they should be detained through removal. And we stopped doing that. We had exceptions, you know, the Dalai Lama shows up at the border, we’re gonna let him in, exception. They turned the exception into the rule. And it’s sent the message to the whole world–
MARGARET BRENNAN: You know it’s an incredibly complex issue in terms of who you can deport, and only 72 hours they can be held in federal facilities, and the complications with Venezuela–
SEN. RUBIO: No it’s not, but the law is very clear. It says they need to be detained through removal. That’s the law of the United States–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay.
SEN. RUBIO: How you apply it is where the differences have come–
MARGARET BRENNAN: But, I’m sorry–
SEN. RUBIO: –and it’s led to this crisis.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You are saying that the aid to Taiwan is being held hostage to the border, but you are saying the border needs to be handled first. Help me, how are you going to surge–
SEN. RUBIO: –Oh no, it’s not very complicated–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –Funds–
SEN. RUBIO: It’s very simple.
MARGARET BRENNAN: –To deal with the threat you’re saying
SEN. RUBIO: Well the–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –from China?
SEN. RUBIO: I’ll tell you what, if we would have done a bill that would have voted for the money to Taiwan and the Indo Pacific and money to Israel, I would have voted for that. But they want Ukraine in exchange for the border. And- and the same way they’re holding Israel funding hostage. They won’t do Israel funding without Ukraine and I support helping Ukraine. But I believe that our national security begins in our own country at our border where today you have thousands of people a day walking into the country, many of whom we do not know who they are, some of whom we are now seeing are members of a Venezuelan street gang called Tren de Aragua, which is spreading throughout the country. They wreaked havoc in Peru, they wreaked havoc in Venezuela before that, and now they have elements here in our own country. That has to be a priority. And insisted–
MARGARET BRENNAN: How do you get aid to deal with Taiwan, now?
SEN. RUBIO: Let’s vote for it. Let’s put up a bill of votes on Taiwan.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You’re saying it has to be a standalone–
SEN. RUBIO: No. It doesn’t have to be.
MARGARET BRENNAN: –Five billion dollar–
SEN. RUBIO: I mean, if the President tonight at the State of the Union, I know we’re taping this, and he announces that he’s going to re- put back in place the policies that allowed us to detain single adults until the removal proceedings were done. I’ll vote for that, I’ll vote for that bill.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That requires a lot of funding, you know that, you would be for–
SEN. RUBIO: It doesn’t require funding. That’s the existing law of the country.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Border Security says it needs more funding, as does ICE–
SEN. RUBIO: –Well let’s do the funding for that–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –and all the other agencies–
SEN. RUBIO: –But- but it starts with the executive order, which is what applies our laws, which he refuses to do. Because it would require him to admit that Trump was right about the border.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: So because–
SEN. RUBIO: –I am sure Mark agrees with everything I just said.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I think you’re gritting your teeth through that–
SEN. WARNER: I would simply say this- I would just say this.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. WARNER: The border is a mess.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. WARNER: There are certain things that the President can do executive order–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –The President says the border is not secure–
SEN. WARNER: –But let’s go back to what President Trump said. President Trump said, change the law so I can do more. I respectfully believe that what Senator Lankford put forward was as tough of a border deal as it could get passed in this Congress and even next Congress. Because unless there is a 80-member shift one way or the other, in either political party, I think politics is the art of the possible, I think it was a good deal. And I agree with Marco. We need to get the money to China and Taiwan, we need to get the money, both humanitarian and for Israel. But I think the issue that I’ve been is most wrapped around is if we walk away from the people of Ukraine at this point, after in the last two years, the Ukrainians, with our help and the Europeans help, at literally the cost of less than 3% of our defense budget, have eliminated 87% of the Russian pre-invasion ground forces, 63% of their tanks, 32% of armored personnel carriers. If we don’t stand by Ukraine right now, the rest of the world should never trust us again. And this notion that, and I would go back to early comment, these authoritarian nations are watching each other. If people say she is a threat, and if they don’t believe that if President Putin is successful in Ukraine, and that will then put NATO and American troops in harm’s way. She will take lessons from that. I think there was an enormous linkage. So I do hope we’re finding the way. I think most of us, the vast majority, frankly, I think 300 votes plus in the house for Ukraine, if that was put up as a standalone, but I- and I hope we get it done. We have to.
MARGARET BRENNAN: They run out of ammunition in April.
SEN. WARNER: They run out of ammunition–
MARGARET BRENNAN: President Zelenskyy–
SEN. WARNER: –Ukraine needs more soldiers. No matter how patriotic you are as a Ukrainian, the idea that you would go into the military when you get issued 20 bullets a day when you’re being outshelled 10 to one, when the Ukrainians have performed much better than any of us hoped, when we brought Sweden and Norway into NATO, and if–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –Finland.
SEN. WARNER: I’m sorry, Sweden and Finland into NATO. If we don’t stand by that commitment, then I think this will be a mistake of- as historic as some of the mistakes made in advance of World War II.
MARGARET BRENNAN: How do you respond to that?
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SEN. RUBIO: We have seven point–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –I mean you are for aid to Ukraine.
SEN. RUBIO: Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: –But–
SEN. RUBIO: –But we have 7.2 million- I responded very simple and that is–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –No but in the art of the possible as- as
SEN. RUBIO: –Well
MARGARET BRENNAN: –as the senator framed it–
SEN. RUBIO: The art of the possible is- if it’s not–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –In this moment.
SEN. RUBIO: We have 7.2 million people in this country that have been here over the last three years. Some of them we don’t really know who they are. New York just deployed National Guard troops to the street because of a migrant crime wave. But we have a serious problem here at home. And so I think that we have to go to Americans and say, okay, first and foremost, our priority is going to be to deal with our issues here. And all I’m asking is that be made a priority equal to–
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MARGARET BRENNAN: So if President Biden–
SEN. RUBIO: What we’re doing around the world–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –Tomorrow said, oh, I’m going to put in an emergency action to, you know–
SEN. RUBIO: –He’s already said he might.
MARGARET BRENNAN: –Essentially mimic “Remain in Mexico,” you’d say, fine, here’s 60 billion dollars for Ukraine?
SEN. RUBIO: Sure. That’s what I said. That’s what I’ve said from the very beginning. I didn’t want them to pass a law. Are there things we can do to improve our asylum process? Sure. But we don’t need that to get back to where we were in December of 2022- December of 2019-, or 2020, I apologize, when the numbers were nothing close to this. We have a migrant wave that began in mid-January of 2021. Because people calculated that if they got here, they were going to be able to stay and 85-90% of them were right.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right.
SEN. RUBIO: It’s drawing more people to come here. That’s unsustainable.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I think most Americans in fact, polling backs us up, believe that there is an issue that needs to be dealt with in the border. But you are linking them right now. You are.
SEN. RUBIO: No different than the people that are linking Israel aid to Ukraine. Because they won’t vote for a standalone Israel bill. They want unless we do Ukraine, and I’m saying I won’t do Ukraine, unless we secure America’s border.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay, so you are linking them?
SEN. RUBIO: Just like they are with Israel.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You, I want to ask you specifically. You, Senator, helped to spearhead an effort with Senator Kaine on a bipartisan basis to prevent any president from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO.
SEN. RUBIO: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Did you write that with Donald Trump in mind, because he’s the only president that I can recall who has ever threatened–
CROSSTALK
SEN. RUBIO: No, I wrote it–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –to withdraw from NATO.
SEN. RUBIO: I wrote it, I can’t speak for Senator Kaine. I wrote it with the belief that it’s an important alliance. If NATO didn’t exist, we would have to create it. It’s one of our strategic strengths that we have in the world, because China doesn’t have these alliances, for example, and neither do the Russians for that matter, or the Iranians for that matter. But I believe Congress needs to play a role in deciding whether we’re going to remove ourselves from that. That said, I will tell you that despite what people may say is rhetoric because I acknowledged that Donald Trump does not talk like a member of the Council on Foreign Relations on these issues. He actually increased troop levels in Poland and I saw them. I was there when that happened.
MARGARET BRENNAN: He was trying to draw down from Germany and virtually Poland, President Biden, reverse that.
SEN. RUBIO: And so the point being is that I don’t believe Donald Trump will remove us from NATO. I do think he is going to do, admittedly in an unorthodox way, what virtually every American president has done since the onset of NATO, and that is to demand that some NATO countries do more. And it’s interesting–
CROSSTALK
SEN. RUBIO: What’s that?
MARGARET BRENNAN: I said, Vladimir Putin has been very effective in that argument to date.
SEN. RUBIO: Which argument?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Ramping up. Spending by NATO members, they have all increased since the invasion of Ukraine. The White House, I just want to make sure I get to this, the White House declassified information about this anti-satellite technology that your colleague in the House, Mike Turner, raised alarms about. Are we sleepwalking into a crisis?
SEN. WARNER: We- we have been monitoring this for years. The idea of a nuclear weapon in space, which would go against all previous treaties, could that have enormously destructive effects? Absolutely. Matter of fact, you know, were Russia to detonate a nuclear weapon in space, it doesn’t discriminate between American satellites and Russian satellites, or for that matter, Chinese satellites. It would literally take out thousands of satellites, it could potentially take out GPS systems, if not at LEO, but at MEO, the Medium Earth Orbit. One of the things I think the administration is trying to do is also bring that pressure from countries that have worked with Russia, like China, and unfortunately, to a lesser extent, India to say, you know, you need to pull back, but we are monitoring this. I think- I’m disappointed the way it was- the information was released. And we just had a brief on it again last week.
SEN. RUBIO: Yeah. It’s not a new issue. It’s one people have been tracking. I don’t know what’s been declassified, I’m not going to speak to it in detail. All I’m gonna say is that when you talk about things- this is not about keeping secrets, but when you talk about things, you make it harder to learn more things about it because those who you are trying to learn from will figure out pretty quickly that you’re onto something. I think this is a significant and serious threat. It’s not the Cuban Missile Crisis, but it’s a big deal. And I think there’s work being done to address it. So it’s not some thing that came out of left field and people weren’t monitoring it, but I agree I don’t like the way it was handled. I think it’s- I think it’s in some way set us back a little bit, but–
MARGARET BRENNAN: The disclosure?
SEN. RUBIO: That’s about all I’ll say. Yeah.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I’m being told we are out of time. I did want to get you both on TikTok, if I could.
SEN. RUBIO: I’m against it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I know, you’re consistent in that.
SEN. WARNER: We- we have different–
MARGARET BRENNAN: But, the Biden campaign joined TikTok, Senator Warner.
SEN. WARNER: And- and I said- and I said that sends a pretty darn mixed message. Because the Biden administration supported my earlier bipartisan legislation that we- would lead to a path of potentially banning TikTok. Because I believe that TikTok, both controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, both collects data. And as a news source, literally, half of young people in America get a lot of their news, all from TikTok.
MARGARET BRENNAN: A hundred and seventy million Americans are on it.
SEN. WARNER: And the idea- if you don’t think the Chinese Communist Party can twist that algorithm to make it the news that they see reflective of their views, then I don’t think you appreciate the nature of the threat. And we were joking would- would the United States ever allow China to buy CBS? I don’t think they would. And we- we might have slightly different ways on how we go at this, but we think this is a national security issue.
SEN. RUBIO: Look, here’s what- I’m going to try to explain it very quickly. The danger in TikTok is not that somebody goes on that video and you know puts something up that looks stupid or silly. Okay, the- here’s the challenge. The reason why TikTok is so attractive, its value is it has an algorithm, a recommender engine, which is one of the best in the world. That is owned by ByteDance. Under Chinese law, ByteDance must own it. And the only way that that recommender engine works is if they have access to the data. So it doesn’t matter who you sell TikTok to, where they’re headquartered, doesn’t even matter where they stored the data. The- as long as ByteDance engineers in China have access to the algorithm- have access to that data- control the algorithm, they have to have access to American data to make it work. And that’s what we need to confront. That’s the reality here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You like this House bill?
SEN. WARNER: Listen, I think there’s- I think there’s a lot of creativity on TikTok. And I think if they had to disgorge as long as the algorithm moved, if this was a Brazilian company or French company or Canadian company, it wouldn’t cause me near the consternation.
SEN. RUBIO: I don’t know about the House- I haven’t read it in detail yet. In fact, even as we speak, they’re in committee. So it might be changed. It’s not an easy thing to resolve, but ultimately, what we have to focus on is who owns the algorithm, because whoever owns the algorithm will have- will have access to the data, no matter who the name on the door is, that algorithm is what- is what we need to go after because if you can’t- it doesn’t work without the data–
(CROSSTALK)
SEN. WARNER: And manipulating that algorithm can mean what kind of information you’re going to see. And if you don’t think that could be used as a- the most powerful propaganda tool ever, then I don’t think you appreciate the–
MARGARET BRENNAN: In an election year.
SEN. WARNER: In an election year, then you don’t get this threat.
MARGARET BRENNAN: All right. I have so much more to ask you. But I’m told–
If I can. You Senator Warner said last month that we are less prepared for foreign interference in 2024 than we were in 2020. What exactly are you concerned about?
SEN. WARNER: Well we have nation states, China, Iran, Russia, who know that interfering in our elections is both effective and cheap. We have a lot more Americans who have, for a variety of reasons, less trust in any of our institutions, including our voting system. We have a court case that was in the Fifth Circuit that had restricted the voluntary communication between social media and the FBI or CISA, and you have that cauldron of change going on. And then you throw in artificial intelligence tools that can bring deepfakes or voices or other manipulation at a speed and scale that’s unprecedented. And we’re gonna- we have dealt with this at a classified level, we’re going to have public hearings on this, we need to make sure the American public is educated and at least aware and thinks- thinks before they believe everything they see. The tech companies have said they’ll put watermarking on altered material, but we need to hold their feet to the fire on that.
SEN. RUBIO: It’s the area of malign influence, right? And it’s not very expensive to basically figure out what are the issues that already divide Americans so let’s amplify messages that put them at each other’s throat, that makes their politics even more conflictive, we already do a pretty good job of it on our own, help us do that. And that doesn’t just deal with elections. We’re beyond just election interference with malign influence, it’s now an effort to influence our policy debates, to divide us year-round on a regular basis. And it’s not that expensive to do. So Russia does it and they’ve done it for a long time. The Chinese want to get into this business, the Iranians and others will join them because- not just here we’ve already seen examples of it in other democratic nations. It’s a growing risk. And I think one of the first things you have to do is talk about it so people understand what it is we’re trying to describe. It’s not hacking ballot boxes. It’s hacking the minds and our political debate in this country by exacerbating pre- existing tensions to the point of boiling over.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And it’s not clear how people are supposed to protect themselves against what you just described.
SEN. RUBIO: Well it begins with awareness and the understanding that sometimes these messages that are being driven or some of these things that people are putting up online are not real or they are a video of something that happened halfway around the world 10 years ago, not down the street one month ago, but they’re things that are designed to get people angry. And you know, the algorithms feed this, because people love content that shows something outrageous, and more people will view it. So it’s easy to push this. And before you know it, people are out there voting and at each other’s throat over something that may not even be real.
MARGARET BRENNAN: This is the biggest risk for election night.
SEN. WARNER: It’s a huge risk. Now, we got a job to do. And I hope others will advance this as well. Twenty tech companies said in an agreement in Munich that they would try to put watermarking and that would indicate if content has been altered, or- or deepfake.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Is that sufficient?
SEN. WARNER: And they- they’ve said they will take it down. But it’s all voluntary. So we need to keep the pressure on. And frankly, I think the administration needs to lean in more. And I think we need to do a better job. I think people were potentially more aware, even four years ago under President Trump, do a better job of educating that with these new tools like deepfakes, you know, don’t believe everything you see and hear.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sorry. Just to follow up on that. You mean, you need the Biden administration officials out there more, specifically identifying what’s true and what’s not.
SEN. WARNER: I think we all need to be out there. I think we need all to be out there. There has been a hesitancy after this Fifth Circuit case, to even have voluntary communications. I remember in the aftermath of 2016, when Mark Zuckerberg at Facebook said, Gosh, if there are bad guys operating on our platform, foreign influence, tell us. We had a good working relation- even under President Trump, where there was a lot of information being shared, because of this case, there’s not been as much sharing and I think, frankly, the- there was an exemption given. I think the Biden administration lawyers need to be a little more forward-leaning on letting these communications, voluntary take place.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Ok. Do you want the last word on that?
SEN. RUBIO: Well I would just- No I think this is a- it’s a complicated area, because it’s possible that someone is out there saying something that they personally believe and have a First Amendment right to express, but it’s being amplified by a foreign power. And so I think that’s the difficult balancing act here. Because a lot of people would say look my views on this happen to align with what some country around the world thinks, not because they told me, but because it’s what I honestly believe as an American. The malign influence is when the foreign power says we are going to do everything in our power to drive these messages on both sides by the way to get them to fight with each other. That’s the effort that we have to have more insight on and find a way to communicate better so that some of these people that are out there expressing these views, at least understand that their message is being amplified by a foreign adversary, even though they choose to continue to believe the way they do, but it’s complicated. I mean, it’s- and this is the reason why adversaries get involved in the business of doing this because they know how hard it is to stop.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Gentlemen, thank you for being generous with your time. Thank you.
[END TRANSCRIPT]
This is the crappy government you end up with when we allow the Joe Biden garbage to be in DC for 51 years.
We must blame ourselves. Time to get real we did it to ourselves.
It goes waaaaay further back than Ol’ Puddin Head’s time. Harry Truman had a case of buyer’s remorse regarding the CIA. The intel community is solely responsible for the vast majority of instability and strife in the world since WW2.
Do you know why President Trump takes such joy in telling us that he did not start any wars, but he did defeat ISIS?
He goes on about defeating ISIS because
ISIS = CIA
That portion of his stump speech is just aimed right at the CIA, basically it’s Ha Ha I 👀 you.
It must give Brennan and Clapper and Graham apoplexy.
Great point.
Alex….do not forget ISIS been also Johnny McStain’s boy’s…..
Wonderful, but how many voters might know isis = Cia?
The CIA was forged from the actions necessary to triumph in WW2. It’s or own undoing that we neglected to properly holster that weapon at the conclusion of the war.
911 allowed the CIA/FBI to act against their political enemies in America. Well done Bush.
And speaking of Bush, long before 911 they had the initials JFK notched into their belts.
1962, by executive order JFK allowed government employees to unionize and now tyrannize every single one of us. That is when we lost America.
A thousand likes!!!!
Perhaps 911 was the incentive needed to form FISC. “Never let a crisis go to waste”, especially one you had to create yourself!
The Patriot Act sealed our Constitutional demise
Yea, and Sauron had to forge the One Ring because you know how those Noldar are when they make three of anything. Sure.
resolute: Well said.
“actions necessary to triumph in WW2” CIA didn’t exist during WWII. But I get your point, I used to believe that too.
True, the CIA did not exist in its present form, but it was necessary to do intense covert operations during the war. The spies had to do some ugly things, but wars are always ugly, and that’s the way they’re are won, especially when the entire world is in conflict. We have no business, or need, to employ covert military actions during peacetime. That vicious animal should have been locked back into its cage immediately at the conclusion of that war.
Agreed
Yeah Operation Paperclip- and before that bringing in the Frankfort School-
The US Govt was full of them.
The OSS (Office Strategic Services) was created in WW2. It was disbanded by Truman in 1945 and it’s missions taken over by other agencies – mostly State and Defense. In 1946, Truman created the Central Intelligence Group (CIG) out of the OSS assets taken over by the Defense Department. The National Security Act of 1947 created the CIA out of the CIG.
Ronald Reagan’s first CIA Director William Casey was OSS during WW2. His Deputy Director was Robert Gates.
So once it was created, the OSS was institutionally preserved until the National Security Act officially created the CIA.
Wasn’t that about the same time as Operation Paperclip, whereby we recruited German scientists and “specialists” to exploit their talents in America? NASA got Verner VonBraun and who got the propaganda folks?
That was right after the war. US and Russia (Britain and France to a lesser extent) were working hard to capture or recruit German scientists, engineers, doctors … For a lot of them, their Nazi associations/activities were down played to get them through the vetting process.
Legacy of Ashes – an agency with no mission. Other than its own survival, feeding off our tax dollars
And Patton was murdered.
Wilson, at least.
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JFK in 1962, never should have let government employees form unions. That created this autonomous force within our government that today thinks they alone own it, regardless of elections. Plus they demand we keep paying them to screw us over just to fund their own paychecks, perks and pensions.
Nothing in our founding principles ever contemplated we would become the victims of our own government and these government employee unions.
The United States of America became nothing more than an insatiable government borg feeding machine. Stultifying and regressive, dedicated to its own survival and not America herself.
Prohibit all government employee unions before you can change anything. Their howls will be heard on the moon. Drown them out.
Semantics, but I disagree we “…did it ourselves,” but would agree that we have allowed the results of a stolen election to perpetuate.
Bugs Bunny and Foghorn Leghorn would have been much more cogent and more pro-American than Warner and Doobio.
Margaret Brennan is one of those snotty Bs from high school who got porkier and saggier and more personally acquainted with social diseases and abortions, but not smarter.
Not me. I voted for the primary appointment to John Cornyn, Don Huffines. I didn’t vote for any Dem.
our ongoing passivity is our CONSENT TO BE GOVERNED.
Consent to be governed does not equate to consent to be enslaved.
The complete road map of destruction was the day the U.N. Was allowed real estate in this country.
You can even go back to the founding of this country because England still has it’s hooks via it’s shysters.
I take no responsibility for Pudding Brain. I do not live in Delaware. I have enough problems without that hanging over my head, thank you very much.
Big things coming from March 11th onward. BTFP ends on Monday. Look out for bail-ins, more bank collapses, and zero credit being offered, or extremely high lending rates. If people think they’re hurting now, they are in for a shock! All financial protection gone!
The patriot act agencies must be licking each others lips in nervous anticipation for the 1000 911s and Covid 19s Joe Biden is about to unleash on the Constitutional Republic
Global civil war will be the ultimate strategy of tension for these guys with the sex clubs and cultist networks
So many words, so little time….traitors.
Gaslighters.
two liars being interviewed by a propagandist.
The only question is: why these lies and why now?
Can’t stand these two pieces of human waste acting like they’re somehow important. It’s no wonder the world in general hates the US. It’s really a toss-up whether people outside the US despise these morons as much or more than informed US citizens despise them. The earth could open up and swallow DC in total and the world would be a better place
702 fisa renewal
^^^^^^^^
correct answer.
and now they can even claim its needed domestically – what with all the “undocumenteds” and all…
Bingo! First, cause the problem, and then pretend to solve it.
All while using the machinery of the state to target your political rivals. (You know, so you can keep the grift going).
yes, having this conversation today.
the discussion: why would “they” want millions of undocumented migrants, unchecked, without any filters to cross into this country?
a. eventually to make them voters (to defraud another election)
b. big companies (and small) have the benefits of paying far lower wages to illegals who do not have ANY rights and regulations that protect them. no health care…below minimum..very low overhead to get labor. perfectly legal!
c. the EC scheme is driven by census (and other population/data gathering means). Most people are unaware that districts and EC composition (including delegates) hinge on how many people live in a certain area. Notice I said people, not citizens! Yes, illegals are counted to determine delegates and EC composition. it is a form of unlawful gerrymandering. there is no question why these illegals are transited to ‘sanctuary cities’…it is there that exist no obstacles to prevent gerrymandering and to argue for more EC representation!
d. the surveillance state “needs” an excuse to aim the spying eyes on the public and to get congress to give it even more authority to do so. A terror event similar to Hamas against Israel would be sufficient. (nothing: the surveillance state in Israel was turned FULL BLAST just as the Hamas attack unfolded. NO ONE CHALLENGED IT. Yes, Israelis are being surveilled…no warrant…no courts..no due process..and yes, many “detained” without rights to legal….
this “moral” argument for illegal migration has always been false. it just looks good when you sympathize with the mother and 4 children crossing the Rio grande for better opportunities that “we all have experienced”.
God Bless America
And giving Trump watered down briefings. Schiff was on another gabfest show talking about that.
his days are numbered
I just started listening but:
I define the biggest National Security Threat as FJB and Mayorkas and the 11+ Million unvetted people that have been allowed to this country.
Listening to Rubio talk about other countries and their need for “buffer zones” just pisses me off.
It hasn’t been (only) 11 million for 20 years or more, and will be 20 million by the time PDJT takes the oath.
Almost 1 million the first three months of this year.
Realistic estimates before Brandon was 40 million. Now it is closing in on 30% of the US Population. Hmm how many inverted Afghans did they bring in with the faked disastrous withdrawal? 300,000. Add the Chinese illegals- and yes indeedy we have enough to completely bring in Marshall law while depopulation of US citizens will be astronomical.
I know. Every time she brings up what President Biden is going to do I cringe.
Delusional Joe doing something, other than little kids, ice cream and pudding? How do you say that with a straight face or watch her say that with a straight face?
The guy who’s too far gone to be tried for crimes committed while not in the White House, personally.
He’s not too far gone to be tried for all his crimes. And our biggest threat to national security is not FJB, it’s the puppet masters pulling on his marionette strings. They are the ones we should concentrate on prosecuting.
I know very well he’s not too far gone to be tried for any of his crimes. I want all the crooks and Delusional Joe and his crooked family are not getting of the hook.
THEY.SOLD.US.OUT.
NO QUARTER!
He’s mediocre at best. Can’t stand the guy. He’s not even smart.
I just can not force myself to listen to anything these traitorous, lying, corrupt P’sOS say. It is getting to be a long list. Please save freedom for the average citizen President Trump.
Rubio is the worst kind of snake
Came in as Tea Party
Now he’s just Rino party
Schumer couldn’t use Rubio fast enough – he’ll always be a “Gang of 8” RINORAT Traitor.
Couple thoughts:
Rubio needs an ear job and Warner needs a lobotomy. Marge could use a lobotomy also.
Rubio started off as “bad cop” in the first half of interview, then “good cop” in second half.
So..we need to borrow more money from China to thwart the efforts of China in Taiwan?? Someone make that make sense.
Both Warner and Rubio are fighting not for the American people, but for the Deep State.
We need to promote watermarks for video, but no mention of watermarks for paper ballots?
If Rubio and Warner could vote tomorrow to take away our Pesky 1st Amendment rights, there’s no doubt in my mind they would vote yes.
I loathe both of them equally..oh, and Marge too!
Agree. I want to congratulate Warner on his new “rug.” Take if off dude. Be proud of your baldness. My Father was .
I didn’t want to “destroy my beautiful mind” – quote from Barbara Bush – by listening to this trash talk interview.
But thanks CTH for for the reminder that these decidedly low quality “humans” still do exist. They are the “forsaken ones” not me or anyone else.
Warner really lost his last election..2020. He was well behind until Northern Virginia counties held up their vote totals. And then Shazam..he pulls it out. People of Va are sick of him. He has done Nothing for the state in all the years he’s been in office. The other senator is a moron and does nothing but show up and vote whatever Schumer says.
You mean this guy?
after accepting the fact dc is staffed with 535 (mostly installed and not fairly elected) narcissistic sociopaths, everything suddenly makes perfect sense
and for those who live in rio linda, yes, that includes rand paul
Rubio must not be concerned about the little credibility he still may have.
why should he be? the people of FL either keep electing him or consenting to him.
We don’t have real elections in the US anymore. Not since the mid to late eighties. Even local elections are rigged. Those in office were selected-and not by the people. And it shows!!
Liars, snakes and traitors; all true. If you really want to assign blame, however, we can start with a lazy and indifferent electorate. I know that the media contributes to the electorate’s ignorance and apathy, but, seriously, what percentage of the electorate follows this to the degree that readers of Treehouse or sites like it do?
We have met the enemy and he is us (present company excluded).
Agree. We see the thousands of awakened citizens who turn out for Trump’s rallies but we don’t see the millions who don’t care about all of this as long as they have their sports and beer and whatever else they want. How do you get through to them when all they know is what CNN tells them? One day the sky is going to fall on them and they will have no idea what happened or why.
“Chair Warner and Vice Chair Rubio discuss National Security Concerns.”
I was expecting to see these two jackasses interviewing each other!
My bad. It would have been much more appropriate.
Sweet Lord, help me not to hate these people. It’s Lent and I need His grace.
Right now, I revile them.
Looks like two open wounds with arms and legs.
James A. Wolfe
Sen Mark Warner
Say their names!
F’in criminals
Don’t forget SSCI had a worthless POS Rino as chairman while Warner was going about his treason.
About those Hamas tunnels:
Meet Alice, the Evergreen Line’s tunnel boring machine.
(hat tip Awakened Outlaw on TS)
HTC’s Secret Service Code name ? Evergreen.
The thing Melania hung by a rope from the White House ceiling?
An evergreen.
Who received emails from an aide who liked to call himself the Mad Hatter?
HRC
Everything in the Middle East east is not as it seems.
How many little kids vanished down those Hamas tunnels?
Do the tunnels extend into Israel?
What is the real purpose of the floating port?
Many questions, few answers.
What was the name on the side of the ship that got stuck in one of the big canals a year or so ago?
Evergrande.
1. “Hung”
2. Where is Elon’s Boring Company working now, has worked, and who pays him for the services and how much?
3. Where are and what happens to the missing children in the US every year, recently acclaimed to be 800,000 per anum?
4. How many times has Trump brought up human trafficking and its profitability?
What was that thing about ontological shock you were speaking of recently?
https://t.me/Absolute1776/29572
Ontological shock 👆👆
That has to cost a fortune, with all the equipment needed. Do they use money from the US to do this?
HTC??
Sorry to say Rubio has been part of the system since McUn-named. He will never be red-pilled because he already knows the secrets. He is the embodiment of Agent Smith. Our best hope is to replace him. Perhaps he will bow out of his own free will.
OTD, As a Floridian, I don’t see that percolating pile of popped pustules in a suit leaving of his own accord. It’ll take a demo bar, a 2×4 and 10 yards of hemp rope to remove the sweaty Lil shite from the seat he occupies. Hasn’t done anything good for his state that I can recall. A pox upon him.
Kick him out of office…
Two vipers dancing around the truth attempting to sound intelligent and knowledgeable with media host dumber than a box of rocks… All trying to appear concerned about the current state of our nation and its future but failed miserably. It was painful to watch, so I read the script – didn’t help.
All I see is a bunch of biased information that tells the American people “Look over there. That’s the enemy of the US. Don’t pay any attention to the problems in the US that are the real threat to the American people and the American state.”
According to them the enemy is Hamas, Iran-backed militias, Russia, China, Yemen, Hezbollah, Shia Muslims.
Their complete moral bankruptcy is on view to the whole world, even if Americans don’t see it.
my enemy is in washington DC.
Exactly!
I’m hearing some chatter about little Marco as a possible President Trump VP pick.
First off…NO
And here is only one reason why not.
Also included the names of other spineless RINOs for persual.
Is your senator (small”s) amongst these names.??
INDIANA – DITCH Todd Young !
Naval Intelligence Officer …
Oh really!!!
Defeat Louisiana TRAITOR Bill Cassidy !!!
The only thing standing in the way of national security is the United States government:
DEI killed the CHIPS Act
The Biden administration recently promised it will finally loosen the purse strings on $39 billion of CHIPS Act grants to encourage semiconductor fabrication in the U.S. But less than a week later, Intel announced that it’s putting the brakes on its Columbus factory. The Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) has pushed back production at its second Arizona foundry. The remaining major chipmaker, Samsung, just delayed its first Texas fab.
This is not the way companies typically respond to multi-billion-dollar subsidies. So what explains chipmakers’ apparent ingratitude? In large part, frustration with DEI requirements embedded in the CHIPS Act.
https://thehill.com/opinion/4517470-dei-killed-the-chips-act/
Bloomberg: China Is Prepping $27 Billion Fund for Chip Industry
China is reportedly pulling out all the stops to shore up its semiconductor industry, including a $27 billion fund. The US and its allies have been trying to strangle China’s chip-making industry…
https://www.webpronews.com/bloomberg-china-is-prepping-27-billion-fund-for-chip-industry/
Another decade of Rubio & Warner and we will all be buying our groceries with bills that have the portrait of Mao Zedong on them.
It is easy to understand why Joe Biden is Putin’s preferred candidate for the 2024 election.
Rubio has to be primaried and gone with..
Nobody Cuban. They’re all traitors. Mike Hernandez tried to get RCV as our voting system in 2020, we beat it by only 3% in 2020. Mel Martinez was all ppen borders, as was Ileana Ros-Lehtenin, the Diaz-Balrt brothers are the same.
ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS MONEY. NO CUBANS.
Never have, and never will forgive Rubio for partnering with John McCain on immigration! He’s never to be trusted in my book!
Do i Completely TRUST Tony Shaffer ? NO,
But i DID on twitter OFFER to Go ” Guard His Mailbox ” several Years Ago…
( FUNNY that Thought of an OLD FAT COASTIE ” guarding ” an AVOWED SPOOK’s mailbox -> with Connections )
LISTEN TO His VIEWS on INTEL vs POLITICIANS
Tony, IF We EVER CROSS PATHS – i’LL Buy You a Beer ! qrw
https://rumble.com/v4hs16l-white-house-foreign-policy-in-disarray-w-tony-shaffer-live.html
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Senator Rubio has shown clearly by his fruits that he is someone lacking discernment or perhaps even worse.
“….shown clearly by his fruits that he is someone lacking discernment….”
Looks like someone that’s been “purchased”, and too is dutifully wearing the blinders supplied for him.
Russia ate my homework! Everything is Russia’s fault. They are the scapegoat for EVERYTHING! Very convenient too. Lol.
Q “…define the greatest national security threat facing our country right now?”
A The US Intelligence Community. It’s a no-brainer.
Most of the attack was on Rubio. Warner was allowed to bring up Trump, but only to blame him for ,well, everything. Lankford and MacConnell should be freed from the Republican Party for the propaganda of the bipartisan border bill.
“And at the end, the head of this entire snake is the Iranian regime. They are the ones that provide the weaponry and the funds.”
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Who provides Iran with the funds and weaponry, which, in turn, are provided to Hamas?
Would they not be the “Head of the snake”?
Iran is not the enemy, though the US media wants you to believe that. It’s a distraction so you won’t realize that the real enemies in our country are the billionaire neocons who control the media and are pushing hate and fear, so you will target Iran or some “other”, rather than do anything about the warmongering billionaire neocons who want global wars to fill their pockets at your expense.
I am sure the “Intelligence Community” laughs at these two behind their backs.
……a little ego pumping here and there and the IC has them beholden to them.
‘Untenable Positions’ – Warning Signs, by Alastair Crooke – The Unz Review
The GOP base does not favor giving more cash to Ukraine with no prospect that it can prevail.
The point here – clearly spooking European intelligence services – is that so much of what success Ukraine earlier has enjoyed derives from one key factor: western overmatch in ISR (Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance). NATO weaponry has disappointed; NATO military doctrine has been slated by Ukrainian forces; but ISR has been key.
The New York Times essay is clear: “a discreet passageway descends to a subterranean bunker where Ukrainian soldiers track Russian satellites and eavesdrop on Russian commanders …”. Are these ‘Ukrainians’ or NATO techies?
When the CIA does depart when the money is cut, it will not be just their staff that goes. The CIA will not leave sensitive kit and intercept equipment behind, to be overrun by Russian forces, and taken for forensic autopsy.
In any event, the European intelligence ‘assistance’ to Ukraine will largely be eviscerated by a CIA withdrawal of staff and equipment. In which case, what will be left for Europeans to do?
And then, might angry, abandoned Ukrainians spin their own narratives? Ukrainian Intelligence Chief Kirill Budanov just punctured the western ‘Putin killed Navalny’ narrative: Asked about the death, Budanov said, “I may disappoint you, but we know he died from a blood clot. It’s more or less confirmed. This is not taken from the Internet”.
Budanov also knocked down other U.S. narratives: Last week Reuters cited six sources reporting that “Iran has provided Russia with a large number of powerful surface-to-surface ballistic missiles”. Budanov responded to this by saying the Iranian missiles “are not here” and such information “does not correspond with reality.” He also contradicted statements about Russia deploying North Korean missiles, another recent American story: “While a few North Korean missiles were utilized”, he said, “assertions of widespread use do not hold true.”
Here lies the crux to the New York Times piece: Fear of fallout from disgruntled Ukrainian officials. “Especially in an election year, any war of words between erstwhile allies could get ugly in a heartbeat”.
Biden be warned. Perhaps, however, it’s already too late?
https://www.unz.com/article/untenable-positions-warning-signs-abound/
If I want to watch or listen to fiction, I go watch something on Roku. That’s what I consider the words of these two and many more added.
“Basically the world is being run by a global “blob” that is centered around the US & UK’s intelligence, military and foreign diplomatic agencies.
The game up to this point was we could enjoy the illusion of local freedom while they ran how the world is run between countries. You know…Start wars. Force migrations. Topple elected leaders.
Trump upset the apple cart for them and that is why they had to steal the 2020 election.
As we are gaining ground understanding how they rig our elections, Benz warns that they are about to unleash a global censorship program.
I heard from another podcaster this morning that AI will be used to flood the information space with fake news to try and control the narrative ahead of the 2024 elections.
That might be the real reason behind the journalist mass layoffs. They served out their useful idiot purposes. Now the machines can do their jobs. At least they didn’t get lines up against walls and shot like they did in Cuba and Russia.
How ironic that the Journalists told coal workers a few year ago to “Learn to Code.” Now we can tell them “Learn to Farm.”
Going to get bumpy this year.”
How The 2020 Election Was REALLY Won – Mike Benz’s EXPLOSIVE Revelation
https://rumble.com/v4i04i0-how-the-2020-election-was-really-won-mike-benzs-explosive-revelation-stay-f.html
I tape some of the shows to watch after Sunday Services, but NEVER bother to tape or listen to Margaret Brennan on ABC. I am not inclined to listen to and Rep or Dem Senators on her show because they will always be Decepticons.
She will always talk over and not only prevent the right question, but won’t let them give the right answer. Such as the reason the Lankford deal got no support is it starts by allowing 4000 illegal invaders a day, 1.5 mm a year in, before Biden has to do anything, and then only if he wants to
It’s the highest BS quotient of any Sunday show.
So why even bring it here for discussion?
Its BS, ignore it.
Both of these liars spoke these words:
“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”
Yet ALL of them ignore and do not defend the Constitution nor the laws already on the books about securing OUR BORDER’S from foreign threats.
Innocent Laken Riley is just one recent murder they all participated in.
They all are giddy to put other nations first, before America, and pretend they are so important.
None of them are worth one penny of our tax dollars that support them, the fancy offices they plant themselves in while they grift for more, or their snooty lifestyles.
Why is it we cannot Class Action sue them all for fraud and the harm inflicted upon all of us by their lies and failure to uphold the oath they swore before God?
Disregard of the Constitution by an elected representative is not a civil fraud issue. Circumventing and working around the limits and restrictions in the Constitution is working against the interesting of those that established and consented to the government. Doing this is aiding and abetting foreign interests and that is treasonous.
Yes! Totally agree! So why is it none of them can ever be held responsible? They are frauds, they are liars, they are aiding and abetting foreign interests and it is harming all of us financially, physically, emotionally – on so many levels.
I know there are way smarter minds than mine. I cannot comprehend why none of them are ever held accountable and we citizens have zero legal recourse.
What is the point of having laws or a Constitution if nothing can be done when they are committing treason and not honoring the oath they took?
She looks more and more like ILLary Clinton every day.
Is that what she’s going for?
Warner and Rubio, like John NoName McCain, hate the normal American people… they re both evil. The SSCI is the controlling mechanism for the Deep State, and they are 100% part of the uni-party problem in DC.
David Sacks: “Biden’s Big Backfire” Is Ukraine, Warns Of “Woke War III” | ZeroHedge
“The whole mainstream media stampeding us into this policy – and um the sort of the taboo they’re trying to create around it – where you know, it’s a lot like the Iraq War where anyone who opposed it was considered unpatriotic or sort of treasonous.”
Sacks pointed out, “I guess I wouldn’t speak out as much about it if I thought that the issue was being covered accurately – and it is such an important issue. This could lead to World War III or what I call Woke War III if we’re not careful.”
He also spoke about the “fusion of the woke left and the neocon right” in supporting the war in Ukraine, expressing concern over their views of not finding a peaceful resolution and only escalating the war closer to World War III.
Jumping to the halfway point of the interview, Sacks said:
“I call this Biden’s big backfire. If you look at all of his claims at the beginning of the war, they’ve all come true in reverse. He said that we would weaken Russia in order to prevent them from waging uh this type of War again. In fact, we’ve made the Russian military stronger – it’s larger than it was before. It’s produced, uh, far more weapons the industrial base is ramped up, plus it’s now a battle-tested battle-harden, especially against Western weapons. It’s a much more formidable military Biden has created on the part of the Russians than when we started.
“Meanwhile, it’s the United States that has seen its stockpiles depleted and hollowed out. Then you look at the economic claims that Biden made, he said that sanctions would crush the Russian economy. In fact, the Russian economy is growing faster than any of the G7 economies.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/david-sacks-bidens-big-backfire-ukraine-warns-woke-war-iii
> MARGARET BRENNAN: – How would you both define the greatest national security threat facing our country right now?
Sen. Idealio: Actually, it’s you, Margaret. It’s you and the rest of you lick-spittle sycophants who are sold out to the establishment. You have sold you soul for position, power, money, and fame, and the evil system that is destroying this nation has rewarded you handsomely. But you have to sleep with your conscience at night, Margaret, and there is an accounting coming with a Judge who cannot be bought. Enjoy your 15 minutes, Margaret. It may be over sooner than you expect.
For any of you who live in the Southwest that are interested.
Tonight’s (March 10) launch of a Falcon 9 rocket from Vandenberg SFB, Calif. appears to be on schedule. The vehicle is slated to leave south base at 7:13 p.m. PDT and carry 23 Starlink satellites into orbit.
If the vehicle lifts off at 7:13 p.m. or early in the launch window, a large portion of the southwestern U.S. and northwest Mexico could be treated to an interesting display as the rocket’s exhaust is illuminated by the Sun at high altitude while suspended in a dusk or night sky.
The Kings of Cuckland.
“If you understand the cleaving taking place between both global zones, West and non-West…”
Some suggest:
If you understand that it is not just cleaving, but actually the one zone being irreversibly sunk and the other being strengthened to the dominant global power, you may also realize which zone is which.
You don’t see it? Here’s a hint:
https://thehill.com/opinion/4517470-dei-killed-the-chips-act/
DEI ensures the US cannot rebuild its former scientific and industrial power. Without those, what are we? Pay attention to the trends, they point to the answer.
But all these things and the encroaching tyranny are just the concrete block necklace on the man overboard, the Millstone is the federal debt accelerating into a runaway feedback loop.
Its a footrace between the debt and the war in eastern Europe, to see which one will collapse use first. Or will a NATO war be used to reset the debt due to “wartime necessity”, with the Bill of Rights overruled and a police state imposed for the same reason?
With all this dragging us to the bottom, what should we focus on? SSCI machinations and other pedestrian politics?
Or are these many sideshows ginned up to trigger responses for intel informing the manipulators behind the curtain? What agencies have a long history of doing such things?
Question: Are any of your democrat friends waking up? For me, the answer is no. Most still believe what media tells them, never questioning. They’re like the newscaster at the BLM riots, flames blazing in the background, claiming the protests were “mostly peaceful”. That’s Democrats.
The point is, pretending, they’re still pretending. Same with many Republicans.
Frick and Frack! Washington DC cannot tolerate TikTok as any kind of news source for youngsters because our public schools are having a hard time filling their young minds full of bullshit and indoctrination, with helpings of mis-information on the sides. Besides, the government is subsidizing the MSM owners so much now, we can.’t afford to be bribing foreign media as well.
Look….squirrel!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂
This should be recorded and kept as evidence for the treason trial!
Two things I’ll comment on…
Rubio (whom I detest) whined about Russia wanting multiple nations like Belarus on their border that they control… COMPLETE LIE. They don’t give a tinkers damn about controlling their border nations – at least any more than the U.S. tries to control theirs. What they do want is the nations on their border to NOT be part of NATO and NOT hosts to Western missiles and other weaponry. Simple. It’s no different than when Kennedy pushed the doomsday clock to 23:59:50 when Russia tried to put nukes in Cuba. No nation wants nuclear capable arms of a potential enemy on their border.
Biatch Brennan – her repeating the lie of Satterfield (IF he even said it) about Hamas not stealing all the aid given to Gaza was sickening. It has been shown multiple times by multiple people that Hamas does in fact steal and deprive their fellow Gazans almost all aid. Gazans themselves have stated so for that matter. Why might Satterfield lie? Well…let’s start with the fact that USAID funds the terrorists of Hamas.
It’s imperative that neither Thune, nor any other anti-American slug, be allowed to lead the caucus in the Senate and that traitor Mitch is removed ASAP. Then Rubio, Collins, Lankford, and the rest of the anti-American scum can be removed from their positions and America First Senators be put in their place to expose the truth of the IC.
Rubio is in over his head, He looks scared all the time.
There is a pair of saggy boobs. Warner is number definitely a source of the Trump problem.
What stands out to me is the part about CIA Director Burns doing hostage release negotiations.