An interesting story promoted by Rebel News, highlights the plight of an Amish farmer who operates a private market club for his products. Because his crops, dairy and beef are not sold to the ‘general public,’ and only to those who are members of the private food club, Amos Miller contends he should not be subject to USDA regulations.
Miller’s organic farm operates on century old farming practices. His farm uses no electricity, no tractors, no diesel, no gasoline, and he produces exceptional all natural yields which people are willing to pay top dollar to purchase.
Additionally, because Mr. Miller doesn’t use chemical fertilizer or fuel, his farm has not been impacted by the increased costs that have hit industrial farms. He and his customers are completely unaffected by outside influence.
However, a federal judge ruled that despite his closed members-only market, he must have USDA inspectors for his beef and cattle slaughter processes. Miller does not want to use the regulated and required pharmaceutical antibiotics, and other regulatory processes required by the USDA. He now faces jail time and a $300,000 fine. [Rebel News Article]
While CTH is completely on the side of the Miller farm, it’s not fair to share this story without providing the alternative perspective from the side of the regulatory agencies.
(Via Lancaster Online) – […] “The United States submits that Mr. Miller’s continuing recalcitrance and flouting of the court’s orders requires a robust, more-coercive civil contempt sanction than previously imposed,” government attorneys wrote in its request filed in late July. “Specifically … the court should order him to be incarcerated until he has paid these sums that are long overdue.”
U.S. District Judge Edward G. Smith scheduled a hearing for Sept. 26 at the federal courthouse in Easton for Miller to show why he should not be jailed.
And the government wants Miller’s wife, Rebecca Miller, added as a defendant in the case because she is a co-owner of Miller’s Organic Farm. That will also be addressed at the hearing.
Miller — who has an attorney, but has been filing paperwork on his own — filed a response on Aug. 5 suggesting Smith and the government are “working in concert” in supposedly violating his rights. The filing seeks a stay of the proceedings and indicates Miller plans to appeal issues in which he contends the judge is wrong.
[…] Miller first came to the attention of federal authorities in 2016, when the Food and Drug Administration said it identified Listeria in samples of Miller’s raw milk; the agency found the Listeria to be genetically similar to the bacteria found in two people who developed listeriosis — one of whom died — after consuming raw milk.. (read more)
It’s an interesting issue, specifically interesting because the members of the private food club are in a hold-harmless relationship with the Miller farm.
What do you think?
This looks like the ultimate organic farming operation.
He’s even extremely ideologically correct if you are a Greenie…..but most Greenies are statist Greenies…so Amish matey is a sinner against the Admin state.
He probably doesn’t own a light switch….(demon mechanical device that it is).
With full information as to the risks and perceived advantages every American should be able to decide whether to utilise his produce or not to.
If you disagree with this you are just another 10 cent fascist.
Costco sells meats and vegetables to it’s Members only. Will they be able to sell without the USDA’s inspections and the related additional costs of Pharmaceuticals for animals if the Miller’s prevail?
Online one can discover many farms selling meats direct from livestock they raise and feed from the feed they grow themselves, slaughter themselves and box and ship themselves direct to their customer list. One step away from adding the words “for Members only”.
Substantial savings remain on those farms: no semi tractor trailer needed, or, Independent livestock hauler to transport them on the hoof to a slaughter house. No outside slaughterhouse, no loss of the hidden cost of portions of the best parts “held back” to feed the men who work there. No refer trucks to haul the meats to distributers or retail shops. No distributers.
But the real fight will be about whether Government can continue to control not only the Farmers of America but the amounts of meat, fruits and vegetables they produce and how much they can sell. For almost a century Government has manipulated Farmers to work for Government under the veil of working for themselves. This outcome could change that.
Some visionary and brave Lawyers might volunteer to support Miller; if he wins it will give Farmers options to move control of our food supply back to Farmers who own the food in the first place, if they chose. A win allows the option of using centuries old practices embraced as enduring, healthier and certainly replenishing and preserving both soil and farming families.
This case is way beyond inspection of meat and produce. Thinking of the numerous recalls, the killing and culling of herds and flocks because of contamination in spite of USDA standards. I’ll be watching to see if medically recorded food reactions, allergies, digestive and food related illnesses will become part of the defense.
The components of a dirty fight are on the table; a win for the defense could become an unexpected reset of 90 years of government controlling the food supply.
Americans need to have the Institute of Justice on speed dial. Back when we naively thought our government didn’t overreach, the public interest law firm was fighting these cases on the state and local level – “advancing liberty through pro bono work.”
The government is wrong. Period. If anybody in the nation wants to consume drug-free meat and veg, then they should be free to do so. I don’t buy the story that the man sold anyone listeria-infected milk. Even if he did, the consumers of raw products know the risks. Let them make their own choices. But the government will try to say anything to rationalize imposing their will over you.
Prove to me the Government isn’t full of shit. But you can’t.
the agency found the Listeria to be genetically similar to the bacteria found in two people who developed listeriosis — one of whom died — after consuming raw milk
While Wiki is often far from reliable its entry on Listeria is interesting:
It is usually the causative agent of the relatively rare bacterial disease listeriosis . . . . . Listeriosis can cause serious illness in pregnant women, newborns, adults with weakened immune system and the elderly, and may cause gastroenteritis in others who have been severely infected. (my emphasis).
The illness of the two people and death of one of them does not appear to be conclusively linked to the milk from the farm. It is also quite easy to pasteurize milk at home. This is the only complaint against the farmer and looks spiteful and malicious.
Some four decades ago I was living in a farming community where the farmers would slaughter and make sausages in their homes for our annual community fete. It was a wonderful get together and the produce was first class. There were no interfering regulations and inspections. I never heard a complaint.
I guess if you believed the gubmint tests were “accurate”.
“They” probably used a PCR test to find the listeria..
If you do believe the gubmint tests are “accurate”, then you deserve to get food approved by said gubmint agents.
In Central IL and areas of Southern IL along with areas of Indiana…there are Amish and Mennonite communities, don’t know about surrounding states….and I see a lot of Amish furniture being sold. High quality, beautiful solid wood. Exceptional craftsmanship. Sold in and around the area…and taxed. I have two pieces. They are better than Ethan Allen furniture ever was.
About 60 years ago, there was a two or three part Disney show that left a strong impression within me, as a young child.
The story was about tight rulers and the one religion idea of not working on Sunday or worshiping in a religion other than the Church of England. I forget if it took place in America or England, but it was during American Revolutionary times…possibly England. In a rush to hide something, someone spilled hot wax or silver and burned their hand.
The rush to hide something was because the king’s henchmen were coming around to people’s homes, to see that people were not working or if they were working or not but worshiping at home in the ‘state approved’ religion. Ah, but I ramble in the memory of sitting on my mother’s lap, watching Disney when it was worth watching.
I think this is a test to go after a non global participant who does not follow state sanctioned regulations…I go on the prenis that the beef produced is of high standard, those two incidents are not statistically significant.
An indirect test of the first and fourth amendments and indirectly the second (we need the second because of the first)–I recognize the Amish avoid violence…
Ah, Gentle Treeper, I ramble as an old woman has a tendency to do…
What do I think??? Two alleged illnesses and one alleged death? Out of a country of 330+ million??? This is a punishing test.
And illegals who bring in third world diseases???
What do I think:
WHO WANTS HIS LAND AND FARM?
The land is pristine without contamination by globalist chemicals.
Adding the wife is a cheap sleazy and slimy strategic tactic.
Incarcerating, (and you know that is next) them prevents them from working if they chose to pay the fine to avoid incarceration and bankrupting them, (to keep the farm profitable).
Donald? Are you out there? this is a worthy cause with far reaching implications….Americans need to be outraged and make it known.
Using the government’s (judge’s) rationale in this case, every stockholder of Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, Astrazeneca and all the other vaxx manufacturers (especially these but actually for every vaccine) should be jailed as well. Two adverse events with one resulting in death? These Big Pharma players likely exceeded that number within hours of the first dose administration. Rather than be critical of these Big Pharma companies, our government has embraced them and even used our taxpayer money to support them. One death? Come on, man, you can’t be serious. I don’t mean to make light of the one death but the argument in this case totally disregards the same thing that is happening with the Covid jabs, except the Covid jabs are exponentially more dangerous. Truth be told, those who scream for the advocacy of the “climate” are the ultimate hypocrites!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Tremain
It is a book sounds like Disney made a movie. It was used in upper elementary and middle school. I remember reading it as a child.
Aggie! I’d love to meet you and treat you to a modest feast with a fine wine! AMEN, sister! You don’t ramble…you RUMBLE!
And now’s THIS rambler will write an admitted non sequitur: Why is the U.S. pouring tons of $$ into Ukraine while turning a blind eye to our myriad, screaming domestic issues? Because both Ukraine and the U.S. are infested with WEF ideology. “They” want the global masses isolated, maimed/vaccine injured, despondent…and DEAD.
May I add BROKE to your list?
They want to punish all who funded, supported and enjoyed their “Western Values” by making them sick, bankrupt, hungry and cold before death. These same “Globalists” have enjoyed talking to one another in Davos for years about how they hope to achieve DEPOPULATION of the world. People like Bill Gates, George Soros, Klaus Schwab, Larry Fink, Henry Kissinger etal. They and most politicians are VERY SERIOUS in achieving this.
The movie was Johnny Tremain, 1957 – a great movie, it was in America, in the colonies, in the days and the events were surrounding the Boston Tea Party. Johnny was apprenticed out to a fine silversmith who was offered a huge amount of money to replace a tea pot for a very fine tea service, but the man wanted it overnight. Silver work doesn’t work that way, plus the time frame went across the Sabbath. The Silversmith was in desperate need of the money this would bring him but too afraid of being caught breaking the Sabbath. So Johnny and a young maid were trying to do it on the sly, but when Red Coats knocked on the door, it startled the young man and he spilled the molten silver on his hand, ruined his chances of ever becoming the fine silversmith himself that everyone saw he could have become.
Long story short, he became part of the Sons of Liberty and was able to participate in the Boston Tea Party with the Sons of Liberty and Paul Revere, and to hear Samuel Adams in one of his Finest hours, as well. And a doctor among them was a fine surgeon and at a good point in time among all the other adventures was able to do some surgery on the burned hand.
Excellent Patriotic Movie.
Yes. However, Johnny Tremain was a fictional character, In the book and the movie, there were fictional as well as historical characters.
As long as his club members are informed of his procedures, then my libertarian side says leave him alone.I guess my ancestors who farmed, before all the government controls were criminals.
They were criminals by today’s times, in their time, they were free thinking, hard working, American citizens. It paints the true picture of what is happening. This farmer is someone that wants to be left alone to live his life, he is a real threat to the government because he does not need the government for anything in his life.
Yes, consumers are free to choose what they put inside of their bodies. They can stop by the side of the road and eat pesticide-free wildflowers and dandelions for all I care.
As long as the consumer agrees to the farmer’s pharmacea-free policies then it’s all good. I wish I knew more farmers like this one, I would contract to buy these products too.
This farmer should be Constitutionally protected under freedom of religion, as the Amish understand and apply it in every aspect of their lives.
With the New World Order upon us, the Bible is very clear. Any Christians who trust Big Harma to inject them or anything they eat must think twice about the mark of the beast.
I would love to see this farmer bring up evidence of Big Harma’s crimes against humanity in his defense! This judge would get more than he bargained for!
Yes, and thousands of children died every year until Louis Pasteur made his discoveries. Our ancestors were also bled and purged for diseases. How’d that work out for George Washington
I bet you took the Jab and the boosters…
It’s our fascist govt’s perfecta:
I lived in Amish country near Lancaster, PA as a child and when I return, love to go to their stores and roadside places and buy fruits and vegetables.
Spotting their horses and buggies on main roads is still a thrill! There are Amish communities in the Midwest,roo. They smartly bought bankrupt farms when we had another “crisis” like now, Carter era. The Amish didn’t need $200K tractors or electricity. Guess who’s not suffering our current energy crisis! Living mostly off the grid that is under total destruction.
This is a test case and I’m betting Gates / Soros money is behind it.
First, they came for the Amish…
Similar story in Central PA. I’ve been catching the markets every few weeks and freezing what I don’t grow on my own.
Lately, I’ve been canning jams, freezing corn, tomatos, and peppers.
Early summer, I was able to get a 1/4 beef from the processor in the next valley.
It is all about government control by mediocre government bureacrats who think they know it all when in fact, they do not know didly.
It would seem that Amish are doing everything greener than the greenest of the green commies. But the government doesn’t want green and clean they want chemically raised meat inspected by agents that also want chemically raised meat.
Interesting opinions within this, from 1984 (I kid you not, 1984):
https://scholarlycommons.law.wlu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2112&context=wlulr
Schools and “assimilation” were mentioned…now that’s a can of worms…
Another interesting article:
https://www.pennlive.com/news/2018/01/amish_electricity_court_ruling.html
From the Hostetler article in the Washington & Lee University Law Review, linked above:
The Amish people are engaged in a social discourse with reality that requires them to build and maintain a redemptive community. They view themselves as a Christian body suspended in a tension-field between obedience to an all-knowing Creator on one hand and the forces of disobedience on the other. Central to their world view is the story of creation in the Genesis account, the Garden of Eden, with its many plants, animals, birds, and fishes. Because of the “fall”, human beings became heir to a disobedient or carnal nature which is under the curse of death. Redemption from death and restoration to eternal life is believed to be possible. Of his own free will the individual must acknowledge his natural sinful status, accept the love-gift of God (the substitutionary suffering and death of the Son of God), and live obediently in a disciplined community of believers.
Academic gobbldegook – in the 18th century EVERYONE lived & farmed this way, not only Mennonite / Amish. It just was. And small town America had varying flavors of Christian communities. I dont think they all existed in a weird tension field battle with reality. It was simply normal life. I hope that “scholar” got a few PhDs out of talented doublespeak.
The first thing I think is that I do NOT trust the FDA’s ‘identification’ of listeria in Miller’s raw milk. I would immediately think that this determination is political, rather than factual.
The second thing I think is that it is time for the federal government to back off from interfering with some of the personal choices we make in our lives, whether regarding food, medicine, etc. The corruption at this level of regulation is now well known….the government doesn’t care about you, and their regulations reflect that.
Finding listeria? Or as we call it, planting “evidence”, the only thing the Communist government we live under is good at.
I wouldn’t put it past them to ‘plant’ listeria or anything else to achieve a desired outcome.
The entire raw milk debate has a deep history dating to at least around 1900.
This story has that plus elements of private medical / food associations. (didn’t Obamacare law actually include allowances for private medical?).
And I wouldnt doubt as stated above that Pharma or a covetous neighbor has their sights set on the pristine property. Maybe Mr Gates?
More harm than good will come of this government action. Kind of like how Covid was handled by the Obama administrative state embeds.
CDC claiming they “screwed up” the corona response, and are self-recommending “overhaul.”
Similarly to your “more harm than good” idea, I shiver because what CDC really wants is an “overhaul” to become an even more fascist organization – they likely view their response being screwed up because they didnt bring enough oppression and jackboots to the table. Fear what they recommend or become for the next plandemic.
If anyone is in charge of overhauling CDC & their friends, it should be we the people, not themselves.
p.s. – is it just me or are we having “pandemics” (watered-down definition) and “global bio-scares” about every 2 months now? Wow, who would have thought? 😉
The government is out of control. They want to starve us and want to control everything. I stand with this farmer and his family and community.
The Pilgrim Fathers would agree with you! They’d be horrified at the ongoings. I brought up my children telling them that the state is not their friend, rather, their ennemy. Let me tell you, being aldults, they now see this.
I guess violating health standards to the point of causing one’s death is inexcusable even for the Amish…Lucky he’s not being charged with negligent homicide, if in fact his farm’s milk was responsible.
This case has nothing to do with food safety but is about how real estate developers get his land for pennies on the dollar.
The Amish community will pay the fine for him rather than see him go to jail. That’s what they do for each other. I know, I grew up there. The gov may get money, but they won’t get the farm.
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That’s great to hear. However, if the Feds are taking inventory, they will know whenever an animal is slaughtered and sold, and then they will again fine him, or worse.
Louis Pasteur might disagree with you.
If a listeria outbreak resulting in one death is really how the farmer got on the government’s radar, then it behooves the government to randomly test his products. How can regulatory authorities overlook a potential public health emergency?
On the other hand, think about how careless Big Harma is about injecting us when they operate within an arbitrary liability shield. And how the gubmint looks the other way- for them.
No farmer should be “required” to inject his animals with drugs that Big Harma refuses to stand behind. Consumers should be free to sign waivers, livestock should be regularly tested (not injected) for diseases, and that should be that.
Big Harma’s “remedies” for humanity are the biggest racket going. How many years have they poisoned us with unregulated “vaccines?”
The negative, and uninformed, comments here are shocking. “Health standards” include taking an experimental Jab and booster shots that destroy the immune system and have caused more deaths and disability than the illness itself.
Ever visit a modern dairy farm? Those cows live in their own manure. Organisms like listeria contaminate by the excrement getting in the milk. The governments solution is pastuerization and radiation which kills the good organisms along with the bad. You still get to drink that excrement. People who drink raw milk buy from farmers who keep their cows in clean natural environments, not letting the excrement get in it. That being said, there is no 100% guarantee in either but it can be said, most all contamination cases are from government inspected modern facilities.
I was raised on one…Never drank pasturized milk til I left home for the army…I’m just trying to shine light on real consequences of some health hazards and trying not to the throw the baby out with the bathwater…Not every health related law is a conspiracy….If the gov’t failed to notified the public of a listeria outbreak from a certain food on the market, no doubt, we’d be up in arms…Just saying.
Caveat emptor.
The government needs to stand down. Who are they representing?
Themselves, as they always do.
You are the enemy.
Yes, stand down is a mild prescription. DownSize is a better one and it is badly needed.
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Time to Close entire rogue/unconstitutional Departments, including their SWAT Teams.
I guess all that Pronghorn jerky I made with my Pops, smoked in a defunct fridge from the ’50s, was illegal to sell to my football team mates back in the early ’90’s. Self reliance seems frowned upon, these days.
It IS frowned upon by the commies in the permanent Bureacracy. You must assimilate.
I know it’s late in the game, CR, but perhaps you should be a good citizen and turn yourself in. It’s for the greater good.
You first! 🙂
😂…
Government experts know how to farm the right way so you need to follow every order they give
besides… its for the greater good.
I suspect most of these government experts have never even grown a potted plant.
Unless it was a POT plant!
“… it’s for the greater good.” You mean like those poison death shots they are STILL pushing on our children?
Leave the man alone
“It’s all Relative”
By Uncle Sam
896 between Newark DE and Strasburg PA is one of the most amazing routes in our country. Why? Amish commerce…. The Amish kept me sane during the rest of the lockdown in our country. The Amish were open 6 days a week, groceries, hardware, schools, worship, restaurants, and interaction without masks and 6 ft distances. This all during the reign of Tom Wolf. Whatever comes down the pike at us I am at peace, our family has the sanity of the Amish, Mennonite and Brethern.
The whole nation should adopt the Amish way of life. They will survive.
Many in the Appalachians who have not succumbed to the Welfare and Oxycodone/Meth trap will be just fine as well.
Mr. Miller’s continuing recalcitrance and flouting of the court’s orders
Miller farms independent of government control, and that’s the worst sin according to the government.
Here! Here!
Bingo!
The federal government gas gotten to big. F- them. They no longer get the benefit of the doubt- masks, lock-downs, illegal raids, and vax mandate’s have shown me enough.
The USDA and the US Govt is NOT capable of the meticulous care in the proceedings to evaluate proper care and cleanliness of food preparation, from the field to the table. Not at ANY stage of the Process, all the way down to the teensiest Jot and Tittle.
Sloppy people working in the process of growing and preparation of food are incapable of managing to get anything at all from the field onto the dining table inadequate condition to be considered nourishing.
Our Constitution NEVER CONSIDERED granting any Govt officials such oversight, either. They all LEFT EUROPE to get away from such Dangerous and DEADLY oversight.
NOBODY with a BRAIN would consider yielding their food supply to such boondogglers.
THIS last 2 YEARS, much less all the O Years, also, MOST ESPECIALLY!
Anyone who thinks all their Destructions are due to MERE INEPTITUDE deserve to get to eat nothing BUT the food such Pusillanimous creatures would ever put on someone ELSE’S tables.
Get them off the backs of all the Amish people. And make them eat only what Gates and Faux Chi want to put on their tables.
I didn’t see the USDA cracking down on Chipotle when they gave all those customers a bad case of the “Poo-nami”!!
Just another example of the club foot of a heavy handed bureaucracy that should be amputated with much prejudice.
America is no longer the land of the free. In order to get that freedom back we must fight for it, and back people like the Amish farmer. It is, “We the People” not, we the government.
Is this the only farm in the country operating this way? I doubt it. I often buy meat from a Mennonite farm. I don’t know whether the government watches their meat processing and I don’t care.
The American Amish community must be protected and preserved. It is one of the glories of America that their traditional way of life has continued with the understanding and support of non Amish fellow citizens.
What are the restrictions of how the Muslims process their meat? I’ve never heard a peep regarding their process form any government agency.
Sounds like more regulatory “law” beyond what the Congress and the Law specified. Actually, WVA vs. EPA could be a defense.
Before Fed regulation, most rural folk got along just fine among themselves. They also knew how to deal with raw milk.
Here in our area of rural SW Michigan we have a large number of Amish. Amish buggies are a daily occurrence as are Amish construction crews. All of the Amish farms are meticulously kept. One of our favorite place to shop is Yoders in Centerville where we buy their baked goods (which are great), along with their great selection of grocery items. I’ve been eating their ground on site oatmeal everyday for years. You can buy it already packaged or you can place a bag under the machine and grind it yourself right there in the store. Pretty cool. I’ve also done business with many Amish over the years. With that said it can not be left unstated that the Amish are a cult and they refuse to serve in the military. I find it hard to defend anyone who enjoys all the many advantages of living in the greatest country in the history of mankind that so many have fought and died for yet are unwilling to fight to preserve this prized and privileged citizenship.
They refuse to fight and die for man’s causes..which are bogus. Don’t kid yourself…most US military action has been in support of the corporate globalists. Why ante up your soul for such?
As a disabled Vietnam combat veteran I am as cognizant of the stupidity of war as anyone and its motives in most cases as well but there have in the past been valid reasons to step forward to defend our way of life (think WWII). It would be in a scenario such as this where the Amish would fall short of their obligation of citizenship. While it’s sad that man has always settled their differences by killing each other that condition still exists hence the need for a military and a citizenry of willing men and women to project strength in hopes of avoiding confrontation. It is exactly this obligation that Amish claim a status that is above the rest of the population.
what happened when they were drafted in the Vietnam War?
did they get an exemption?
As non resistors (which had to be proven as the govt checked them out) the young men did two years of voluntary service in programs which were set up to facilitate the service, such as working in a hospital or nursing home, etc. without getting paid.
There were others including women who also were part of the voluntary service, voluntarily. It was a faith based way to serve others and a unique experience for young people.
My sister (through the Mennonite Church) voluntered and left NC to live in IL and work in a nursing home and participate in the faith community in the area. The volunteers had a place to live together and were overseen by an older couple who ran the program. The volunteers came from all over the US. Her best friend became a young girl from Oregon.
They receive “conscientious objector” status.
A CULT?????
Seriously… totally uncalled for. They are Pacifists and do not believe in killing people. That’s LEGITIMATE. In America, we are all FREE to make our choices.
There’s a 4 part series on YouTube called “Breaking the Silence” that might just change your mind.
It’s a cult!
Let us agree that in every religion among every race in every country there are people who do bad things. The Amish are not all alike, just like the rest of us. Each group decides upon their own rules of living. I wouldn’t take my view of the Amish from a youtube video – yes, I’ve seen it. An example, outside the Amish: There are people in the child welfare line of work who are specifically in it because they want access to children for sex. They are predators. Should we get rid of “Child Protective Services”?? We can apply this across the board? What about the Youth Pastor, or Football Coach, or Boy Scout Leader, who turns out to be a pedophile? Should we disband Churches, Sports, and Scouts? NO. The answer is that each of us has a responsibility and a duty to protect our families, no matter the circumstances. It is not the government’s job.
I think of certain religions as a cult too, so I understand your point of view.
As I mentioned above the Youtube series (Breaking the Silence completely different from Outside the Amish) is very enlightening and I learned many things I had never known. One for example is the fact that every Amish community has a different set of rules. In one community wearing a misplaced or wrong piece of clothing would get you shunned but in another it would not. You also couldn’t buy a buggy from a different community because every community has a different nuance in their design, same goes for the bonnets the women wear. The series is a long watch (about 4 hours) but it takes a deep dive into Amish life. I think you might enjoy it. I agree with you that certain religions are cults (and there are many) and because I live in an area where there are many Amish I don’t discriminate or hold a grudge it’s just that I have no respect for ANYONE who isn’t willing to die for their family or their country and don’t feel they are entitled to a doctrine that could ultimately extinguish their cherished freedom that others have sacrificed for.
Time to clean hummingbird feeders and mow a few acres before it rains. Have a nice day😊
BTW you’d believing in killing people too if they were trying to KILL YOU.
But, I do, personally, believe in self-defense. I would take my best shot(s) at an intruder.
I believe in our Military defending the homeland, and Law Enforcement protecting us from criminals, and that means killing people.
The Amish are free to be pacifists is my only point. Not everyone must be compelled to take up arms.
Interesting how they didn’t say that those who got sick and sadly died bought their milk from him.
Exactly! That wasn’t even his farm’s milk.
A PA Congressman (or any other) should attach a bill to one of the Leviathon UniParty spending bills that exempts people like this Amish Farmer from Gubmint regs. If Big Tech can get exemption from lawsuits, and Big Pharma can get exemption from killing tens or hundreds of thousands, then…. Where the eff are this farmer’s Representatives?
What do I think? This is complete and utter tyranny. Period.
So here is what this says. Farmers are now forced in all circumstances to abide by government practices to sell food to people in their community.
This apparently now includes private clubs.
Ironically industrial farming has caused what might be the greatest ecological disaster in human history yet that seems to be the only acceptable way the government will allow food production (until its bugs only).
CAFO’s are disgusting ways to raise meat but do I think they should be banned? No.
If you aren’t scared about this you should be. This says that private commerce between two individuals is not permitted. Period.
A passivist farmer presents an effortless opportunity for armed government thugs to ply their cowardly trade in brutality and intimidation. But, there is a model for dealing with this – the Cliven Bundy model. To be effective, it must be applied consistently and by most, to prevent these government encroachments from becoming the norm. It is the perfect example of the absolute wisdom in the second amendment, and a textbook illustration of its intended use.
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?” – Alexander Solzhenitsyn
They don’t want people to find and use other sources of supply. If too many victory gardens appear, they will go after those too.
The Amish guy has it right. Stop treating govt like it has any right to run our lives. We trusted them and they failed. They are no longer ours.
Grow food, homeschool, reject foolishness like masks. Turn our hearts back to God. Some have asked how to resist. This is a start.
Miller’s farm is rural, but not in the middle of nowhere.
Bird in Hand is in Lancaster County which draws lots of tourists a year. I’ve driven past it and even looked into getting meat there.
I know several people who do buy from him and love it. It’s seriously to expensive for me.
Having grown up Amish I know how this is. The state is violating their sincerely held beliefs that they have lived by for over 500 years. It really comes down to religious freedom.
That being said, if one sells food to others even in a private setting, one has a responsibility to make sure that food is also safe for consumption. If Miller cannot do this without regulation then he must either be regulated or made to cease and desist.
We also used to butcher hogs and beef with the extended family of uncles aunts cousins grandparents, everybody. The difference in legality of that while everyone shared the work and also the bounty, no money exchanged hands. This was not a sale or a barter, just a sharing of food and work.
Miller is selling as in CSA (Community Supported Agriculture) and that is not the same as sharing.
Amish do believe in following the law as long as it does not violate scripture as they understand it.
He must NOT be regulated. The State can provide assistance if desired, not strong arm tactics. That’s the whole point of this struggle. The State is operating as the Enemy for “the greater good”, rather than acting as Public Servants who are charged with helping Americans. Everything is backwards. The USDA could instead say, “Hey, how can we help you solve this problem? We have massive funds at our disposal. We would like to give some to you in order to help your farm succeed.”
See what I mean? The State now thinks of itself as Authoritarian godlike creatures who can walk on to a private farm and bankrupt it.
What I think can’t be published in a family publication.
Amen and God be with you in this time of strife and adversity.
It’s always at least a little bit dangerous to respond to things where you may not have all the information but it’s apparent that many have completely forgotten BSE (bovine spongiform encephalopathy) from quite a few years ago. Back then more than a few died from coming in contact with BSE tainted meat. Had the USDA not been able to isolate and control the problem, the entire beef industry would have been devastated over maybe a few infected cows. The US is said to have the safest food in the world. The controls we have in place are part of the reason for that. That and the farmer’s use of best management practices and husbandry. It’s not fair for one farmer, Amish or not, to put all family owned farms at financial risk and that’s what he’s doing.
Lol…lol…fair?
2 people supposedly died from milk, fine him, jail him and shut him down. Thousands upon thousands are dying from clot shots, give those companies more money, mandate the shots and have those same companies make the next “vaccines” for the next plandemic.
And still no ‘approved’ vaccine in use in the U.S. for the bioweapon.
Lucky for the fascist humans the Amish are peaceful non-violent patriots. Actually, that’s good information. Become an easy target to attract the enemy. Is old and poor enough? We’ll see.
“uses no electricity, no tractors, no diesel, no gasoline”
Sounds like a climate change cult member’s dream scenario. The government can’t have it both ways.
The sad and scary version is they can have it both ways and are having it both ways, and far beyond milk on an Amish farm.
Reality.
Note to these “federal judges”…….mess with the Amish, you’re gonna lose. Those people have 7 ways from Sunday to get back at ya! But go ahead and spend the next four years of your time and our tax dollars trying.
One goal we can have is to force them to the printing press more and more. Work stoppages, parallel economy, civil disobedience. One key to defeating an enemy is starving it for resources. Then, when they send in the soldiers, a life for a life. Until there are no more left to give.
Alternatively, we can suffer through this for generations. Expect it. Even with a ramrod like PDJT as chief executive, the enemy was largely unaffected. The juggernaut rolled on. It’s up to us. Free will.
I drank raw milk as a child until I left home in the 70s from farmers whose milking parlors were tiled by my father. We never became ill. In 1894 when Louis Pasteur invented pasteurization there was NO refrigeration. Buyer beware is all I can say. I wonder if this government overreach will bleed into smaller farms that raise beef, pigs, or chickens for themselves and sell the excess? Will we have agents of the government trolling and auditing feed stores for customers who buy livestock feed? Food for thought.
Farmer’ s Markets
– next?
The people who contracted the disease didn’t even get it from his farm’s milk!!
Miller’s problem is that he is tangling with three or four agents of government bureaucracy. The USDA, DOJ (perhaps including FBI, or whatever investigatory arm is connected to USDA) and lastly the Federal court system. All of whom have an endless supply of our tax $$ to put the fix on Mr. Miller. You can just imagine all these bureaucrats scheming together to put Mr. Miller in the heel position. Uncontrolled authoritarianism in USA, unbelievable.
It’s an uphill battle for Miller, most citizens give up before bankruptcy and incarceration. Sad.
Can we learn from how the Communists coordinate to support and fund their mercenaries? Conservatives tend to be rugged individualists so individuals are often left twisting in the wind and are easily forgotten and never supported by the group. Communists, not so much.
That’s why we’ll lose IMO. I see it every day and have for decades.
Anyway, the past couple days I remodeled a neighbor’s chicken coop to make it friendlier, safer and more healthy for the chickens. For free. I’ll die with a smile on my face no matter how it ends up. FJB and the Communists.
“We’re from the Government, and we’re here to help!”
Riiiiiight.
Less over-reaching, heavy-handed gov’t. the better.
Isn’t this where the Green New Deal is taking us ultimately? No car, no tractor, no gasoline, no diesel, no fertilizer, no electricity isn’t that a climate change believer’s wet dream?
no life
Exactly! It’s not about electric cars but no cars!!