An interesting story promoted by Rebel News, highlights the plight of an Amish farmer who operates a private market club for his products. Because his crops, dairy and beef are not sold to the ‘general public,’ and only to those who are members of the private food club, Amos Miller contends he should not be subject to USDA regulations.
Miller’s organic farm operates on century old farming practices. His farm uses no electricity, no tractors, no diesel, no gasoline, and he produces exceptional all natural yields which people are willing to pay top dollar to purchase.
Additionally, because Mr. Miller doesn’t use chemical fertilizer or fuel, his farm has not been impacted by the increased costs that have hit industrial farms. He and his customers are completely unaffected by outside influence.
However, a federal judge ruled that despite his closed members-only market, he must have USDA inspectors for his beef and cattle slaughter processes. Miller does not want to use the regulated and required pharmaceutical antibiotics, and other regulatory processes required by the USDA. He now faces jail time and a $300,000 fine. [Rebel News Article]
While CTH is completely on the side of the Miller farm, it’s not fair to share this story without providing the alternative perspective from the side of the regulatory agencies.
(Via Lancaster Online) – […] “The United States submits that Mr. Miller’s continuing recalcitrance and flouting of the court’s orders requires a robust, more-coercive civil contempt sanction than previously imposed,” government attorneys wrote in its request filed in late July. “Specifically … the court should order him to be incarcerated until he has paid these sums that are long overdue.”
U.S. District Judge Edward G. Smith scheduled a hearing for Sept. 26 at the federal courthouse in Easton for Miller to show why he should not be jailed.
And the government wants Miller’s wife, Rebecca Miller, added as a defendant in the case because she is a co-owner of Miller’s Organic Farm. That will also be addressed at the hearing.
Miller — who has an attorney, but has been filing paperwork on his own — filed a response on Aug. 5 suggesting Smith and the government are “working in concert” in supposedly violating his rights. The filing seeks a stay of the proceedings and indicates Miller plans to appeal issues in which he contends the judge is wrong.
[…] Miller first came to the attention of federal authorities in 2016, when the Food and Drug Administration said it identified Listeria in samples of Miller’s raw milk; the agency found the Listeria to be genetically similar to the bacteria found in two people who developed listeriosis — one of whom died — after consuming raw milk.. (read more)
It’s an interesting issue, specifically interesting because the members of the private food club are in a hold-harmless relationship with the Miller farm.
What do you think?
Suppose Miller fed only his family. Would the federal government insist on injecting his livestock?
The government is wrong. 100% wrong.
If Miller’s foods were sold to the public that would be a different story. But they’re not sold to the public, only to a private club… an “extended family” of sorts. It’s a free association, we don’t need busy bodies sticking their nose in where it doesn’t belong.
I think we need to rethink the government’s role in “safety” of food sold even to the public, seeing as how the excuse of “public safety” has been so abused. Do government inspectors really provide any assurance an industry standard couldn’t do better? Most industries are happy to let the public know the difference between the reputable merchants and the fly-by-nighters.
Does the government inspector actually know enough about the industry to know where corners could be cut? Can anyone really tell whether the cook spit into the food unless they happen to be watching when it happened? Anyway, what happens five minutes after the inspector leaves? Also, how does the government know what is “safe”? I remember when doctors thought Vitamin C for colds was quackery.
Where in the Constitution is there any reason for the government to decide what is safe or not about food?
For decades, they forced the “food pyramid” on everyone, especially school children, because the grain farmers’ lobby paid more in campaign bribes than the meat producers’. They have been totally corrupted to the point that I don’t trust any of their agents.
The quote: “We’re from the government, and where here to help”!!!!! The ONLY help the .gov does is put people under their thumb!!!!!
The government will abuse any powers that it has. That is a law of nature and reality.
The government is why i stoped growing veggies for market, yea my life has been much tougher but ill be damned if i will be subject to bureaucrats if i can help it,
Who is John Galt!
There is no logical difference for the FDA.
Once they close this off, growing your own food is likely to become both a source of the regulation protection racket and a skim operation for the government. Its just a matter of time.
BBB is going to make growing your own food without inspection illegal.
This is a tough issue with huge implications. On one hand, we can’t tolerate “bush meat” markets (google it), on the other-hand we can’t tolerate over regulation. I doubt what this man is providing is anywhere near being “bush meat”. I wish we could trust our fellow man to not do disgusting and deadly things such as selling “gutter oil” (google it).
Hey, here’s an idea: how’bout we require full disclosure of means and methods of food production and let the consumer roll the dice? Also, don’t eat bugs – seriously.
What changed between yesterday and today? How long has this man been in private business?
This type of gov “oversight” extends well beyond yesterday. Just another soup of the day hitting the news cycle. My premise is that at a local level, this sort of oversight is draconian by a completely detached federal guv agency.
At a mass production level…. moral hazards abound with little control beyond what is dictated by profit margins…. usually in the form of greased politicians palms and and lack of care for the end consumer. China would be a prime example, and we seem to be heading in that direction.
It’s virtual nonsense to compare the outcomes of local level group oversight and those of mass scale numbers oriented “biz/gov men”. Local level, Local level
I’m going to use a quote from John Adams that may not be totally applicable in this case, but it’s what comes to mind and it’s close enough.
” “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
My best attempt to explain the diff between yesterday and today…. Our Country is full of immoral idiots, in this case, I’d have no prob feeding my Family this Gent’s product. Ultimately, the informed choice should reman with the Consumer. Been a while WSB “hat tip”!
Conventionofstates.com
It hampers their Plan-Famine !
There is a difference between “bush meat” and farm raised.
Depends on standards. I grew up on a farm for much of my rearing and I could say with certainty that the standards of some of our neighboring farms would land them closer to the “bush-meat” end of the scale than “farm raised”. This is the nature of subjectivity and moral hazard meeting end user. Again, the INFORMED choice should always remain with the Consumer (Individual).
I don’t want to play the knee-jerk buzzword game. It’s too nuanced of an issue for this type of distraction. There’s a range of outcomes, all of which should be mitigated by informed consent.
You know for someone that grew up on a farm, you sure like to throw those big words around.
“I don’t want to play the knee-jerk buzzword game. It’s too nuanced of an issue for this type of distraction.”
Could he be a Google salesman? Repeatedly telling people to Google these words.
You should meet more Farmers. They are some of the smartest and practical people you’ll ever meet, myself excluded. Please focus on the issue and re-read.
?
There is the “free choice” idea and “buyer beware”.
A battle to protect the dumbed down citizens?
Distraction? or one of many hidden behind the other distractions of the day? Details will be forthcoming I am sure.
There’s also a difference between mass-production and local production. Please re-read.
Love it! Maybe he should grow some bugs…. bet they leave him alone then!
Speaking of bugs. I hear Crickets will be mass produced for animal and pet feed. I wonder how the WEF dog lovers will feel knowing their pets are ingesting parvovirus infected feed.
They’re too stupid and hypocritical to give a F. I hope they take every worm destined for their pets, right up the a$$.
I doubt it. They hate all people who practice any religion other than liberalism.
I would go so far as to venture he has honey bees?
Bush meat? As in
“Surging consumption of wild game threatens animals and people. Bushmeat is a catchall phrase for the meat of wild animals, but it most often refers to the remains of animals killed in the forests and savannas of Africa. African people have long hunted bats, monkeys, rats, snakes, and other wild animals for sustenance”
Mr Miller hardly fits that category!
Exactly, I’m glad we agree.
If two men can engage in gay sex during a monkeypox epidemic, with no inspector present, no special license, why can’t a man sell meat to another consenting adult?
You raise an interesting, uhhh . . . simile? As the Thai say, same same but different. 🙂
Dr. Fauci is happy to attend all gay bathhouses and orgies to provide some personal anal inspection & swabbing oversight, like he did during the HIV/AIDS outbreak of the late 80’s in San Francisco!
😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣. 😁
🧐
LOL, THIS !
Has anyone verified that a death actually occurred? Or are we taking the word of the FDA and “public health officials” who have an interest in everyone complying with their regulations and authority?
Like all of those infants that died from the baby formula prompting the shut down of one of the nations largest plants. It was later discovered the formula was not linked to the deaths, yet the plant remained closed for months. Screw the FDA and USDA, criminals in my book that have outlived their purpose.
The FDA refers to his farm’s milk as the likely source of infection.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-edpa/pr/civil-lawsuit-filed-enjoin-local-farm-s-continuing-misbranding-meatpoultry-products-and
They are liars, as all agencies are.
Likely? So, a smear by innuendo. Sounds like a government agency position. Unless they can prove this farm systemically harms people by their processes, leave them alone.
People want the product, they should be able to get it.
I spent 40 years of my adult life in Chester Co, PA, with Amish and Me minute neighbors right over the border to Lancaster Co.
I often would visit their farm stores for produce, jams, canned and pickled goods, and yes, raw milk.
Their farm was open for inspection by anyone who asked for a tour, lovely hardworking people.
They voted en mass for Trump in ‘16.
No one of the people is served by this government action.
And were the deaths from this farmer’s milk???
There’s no proof. Which is very suspicious, because you could easily prove if he was making people sick. See, people buy directly from the Miller farm. If the milk were bad it would have harmed a lot more people. And the harm would have been traced back to the farm.
they probably died from medical malpractice and they are blaming it on milk.
Interesting that they are going after this guy. I actually heard some good doctors talking about copying his model of setting up private membership clubs for providing medical care, as a way to break free from the medical mafia/establishment (which is basically requiring doctors to harm their patients). Lots of people are trying to find ways of breaking free of the system.
A new Clinic has just been established in our little GA Town, set up just like this. In one week, more than 250 members…
I belong to one of those medical “clubs”. Look up Dr Savage in Brighton MI.
There are many businesses starting to do this. And this just stirs up more anger at the officials. Who doesn’t have sympathy with an Amish farmer? I think they picked the wrong victim for their purposes.
yes, drive two trucks to mexico.
one for fuel and the other for pharmaceutical drugs.
not only would you make GREAT NEW FRIENDS, but the price gap is so massive one could easily make a decent business operating this model and STILL provide customers with superior pricing.
know you know why the USG is so keen in “re-filling” the border walls.
it’s not to control illegal immigration.
it’s to curtail FREE BORDER COMMERCE.
there is a FORTUNE of wealth that sits literally just a few miles down the road.
one reasonably open market and one a shithole country (shithole political policies to be specific and clear)
God Bless America
Lots of Americans go to Mexico for health and dental care, so you are right, methinks.
We use a “concierge” doctor who works on a monthly membership basis. We pay the membership fee on top of paying for health insurance because our deductibles are so high, our insurance rarely pays for anything. The personalized service, 30 minute appointments, etc. make it well worth the cost.
If you are turning a profit, uncle Sam wants a healthy piece of it.
I think it’s called a protection racket.
Even if the enterprise was once considered a sin and/or illegal for that reason. We’re living in the “Back To the Future” version where Biff and Griff won. The question that I keep asking myself is if I were Marty McFly, which point in time do I return to in order to make the correction?
Modern day corporate medicine is nothing more than “herd management”. So I applaud those doctors.
The govt is proposing debtors prison.
called property taxes
I caught that as well.
This is another hill for us to plant our flag.
This reeks of desperation
I think that they have already reinstituted it according to young people that I have listened to.
Their is a 1940’s Supreme Court case on this sort of issue. It found that even if you don’t interact with interstate commerce your inaction is affecting interstate commerce and thus they can regulate it..
Considered one of the worse decisions ever made.
Wickard v. Filburn
Yep, mind blowing info for those that don’t know about this precedent. This was truly the beginning of the end for personal freedom at a large scale. Thanks for the reminder! For those interested, not a bad start here: https://mises.org/library/court-federalism-and-free-market
Please look up the 18th century definition of the word ‘regulate’. It means to ‘make regular’. To ease a situation, not to regulate as we know the word today.
Nothing to do with what Congress thinks they have power over.
I agree with you. The Courts currently Disagree with us.
If you want change your going to have to push hard for it. If you want to put a true dent into regulatory power you have to get Wickard V. Filburn removed as current precedent Like how Roe v Wade was removed honestly.
If our gov was a computer, I’d replace the hard drive… at min. The nature of corruption is destruction of the system, quite often.
that’s a whole other conversation for another day Andy . . . commerce clause interpreted so broadly it dissolves federalism and gives that ‘small, limited federal government’ plenary power of everything, everyone and every aspect of life itself . . . utter absurdity.
But Mr Miller’s food practices are also based on faith.
Do you realize that we are regularly warned of food recalls due to salmonella outbreaks, listeria outbreaks, etc. These are products from govt inspected companies who follow fda regulations.
Processing and distributing food always carries a risk of contamination, and food borne illness is dangerous for those with weakened immune systems.
Since food sold by big agra regularly sickens or kills people despite the producers following all regulations, I see no problem with customers purchasing food from a small producer who provides organic crops which are likely more nutritious due to the methods used to grow and raise his products. His customers make an informed choice, just as you do when you purchase food at a grocery store.
Saying he “KILLED A WOMAN” is a stretch. She knew what she was purchasing and accepted the risk.
The big question is what is his County Sheriff doing to protect his Liberty as that is his number one job!
In PA the county sheriff has no jurisdiction as a law enforcement officer. They are officers of the county court. All law enforcement responsibilities are assigned to the county district attorney. As this is a federal case regarding federal law, the county DA has no jurisdiction to intervene.
The State always has jurisdiction over the federal government unless it is an enumerated power that the State gave them in Our Constitution.
The Creator is always superior to the creature.
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” — Amendment X, Our Constitution, Our Bill Of Rights (Untouchables – Can Not be Amended)
the federal government has NO policing powers in the Constutution … its all local …
I’ll remind them of tht the next time they kick my door in at 3am.
Wrong answer.
The county sheriff is THE king of the county.
Not the ‘fed’.
People wrongly believe that the state police are higher than the sheriff.
Also wrong.
You elected your sheriff, the state/city police chiefs are political appointees.
Recall when Michigan whitmer tried to continue locking the state down.
It was a handful of sheriff’s calling bullshit that bought we the people the time to finalize our petitions limiting her ass.
Absolutely no help, or thanks to the ‘republican’ dominated legislature.
In my opinion, the only fed force that should be allowed to exist, is the U.S. Marshall’s.
So its a battle of States rights versus the Feds versus the citizen. city and county?
Gonna be messy and expensive.
The other side has been trying to defang sheriffs since before most of us even knew the power sheriffs are supposed to have. In some places they have succeeded.
Within the last year, the people in my county voted to make the county sheriff an appointee of the county council. :>(
Not legal, or lawful.
Get people together and dispute it.
I think that’s the same thing they were trying in my hometown about 3 years ago. As Dennis 53 says, challenge. The people in your county first of all probably did not know why this suggestion came up, and need to be educated on what a sheriff is supposed to be. But also, demand to see the actual ballots (NOT just images) and have them publicly counted by hand; with all the fake numbers we’ve been told the past two years, how do you know that’s what the people voted for? And, on the local level, you have a much greater ability to pressure the officials.
The illusion of success.
Educating the people will end that.
It matters not which unconstitutional decree, mandate, ‘law’s, agreement, or whatever.
The constitution calls bullshit.
We need to understand that and stand on that.
You are worse than a lemming. You are an educated idiot!
You have trolled this board with nothing accurate, just accusatory insults, degrading anyone commenting and basing it on a CBS BS article based on the LISTERIA!!!! OR your list of courses and farming relatives.
Wow!!! Wow!!! Scare ME!!!
I have a 78 yr old sister, who is very healthy. She was raised on our Jersey Cow’s RAW Milk (GASP), because my Mother could not produce the milk necessary. The DOCTOR came to our farm, along with our Veterinarian and they PICKED OUT THE COW FOR MY FATHER TO MILK TO FEED MY SISTER!!!!!!!! My Father had to segregate the Jersey from the rest of the herd and milk separately.
Now, since you have proclaimed how many science courses you have taken and are very proficient; do you know why the MD and VET picked out the Jersey Cow from the herd of Guernseys? HMMMM?????
I’m 73 yrs., my husband is 78 yrs. old, my son is 49 yrs. old, my daughter is 48 yrs…We ALL drank RAW MILK!!! WE All Ate HOMEMADE BUTTER, Fresh Buttermilk, Fresh Heavy Cream.
On Sunday Nights this was my Dad’s supper: 4 RAW EGGS (from my Mother’s Hen’s (she had quite an assortment)
2 TBS Apple Cider Vinegar, Salt and Pepper with 2 large slices of my Mothers homemade bread, spread thick with homemade butter.
We are not Amish or Mennonite BUT we lived just like them in many ways; they lived in the same area in which we grew up and lived as adults.
We are very healthy, very strong people. I have NEVER heard of or known ANY PERSON (OR ANIMAL) who became SICK or DIED from RAW MILK. So…I am going to call this FAKE NEWS, just like the Chi-Com Flu….;
And we don’t take flu shots….either
Enough of this New World Order.
Yes, you have been hysterically posting over and over about his contaminated milk.
I for one am old enough to decide whether I want to take a risk or not.
Much the same as with medical care, oh, like vaccines. I WILL CHOOSE!
Now, as for your hysterics on food contamination, we buy milk in a national chain grocery store. For whatever reason over the past 18 months, it’s a crap shoot on whether the milk is sour by the time we get it home. You open the lid, and crusty, dried milk from the outside falls all over.
Tonight, a newly opened gallon of milk with an expiration date of August 21 was so sour, I refused to drink it.
Regulations and inspections occurred where this milk was put into the container, and likely at the store where it was sold. According to you, all that is needed is proper inspections as regulated by some bureaucrat, yet the milk is still sour.
Thank you!
Nice to know I am not the only person that has happened to. Numerous times.
I bought Raw milk yesterday from a dairy. The milk came straight from the barn then the son had in cold cooler then took it out and handed to me.
From the milking barn to the grocery stores who knows how many times it has been handled before it makes it to the cooler for sale.
I have bought from that dairy for years. I have seen their cows. They sell their milk all around the area.
I never have had a problem with their milk . It tastes wonderful!
It has a label on the front saying it is unpasteurized.
I am an adult. I can make my choice whether I buy and consume it or not.
To expose trolling educated idiots.
Praise God for Sundance and Fellow Treepers!!!
I could be wrong, of course, but I’d be willing to bet that Amos is operating within the letter of the law…it is just that the USDA and the Judge don’t like it, pure and simple.
While these laws have been updated and nuanced over the years, the skeletons were written many many decades ago, and usually were premised on protecting the public, who were assumed to be so stupid as to simply consume anything put in front of them. Who exactly the laws applied to many years ago would likely surprise you, and what would surprise you even more would be the fact that most of these laws STILL only actually apply to a very tightly defined group, even though we all ASSUME the laws apply to everyone.
fka Serena has been going after the raw dairy products…let’s talk about those.
I have been purchasing, and providing, raw milk and butter for my family for over 15 years…3 gallons and 1 lb a week…that’s over 2,300 gallons of milk, and almost 800 lbs of butter…and have never gotten sick…ever…nor have I ever heard of anyone getting sick. These are extremely healthy products…as long as you have healthy cows. It is only when you have sick cows that you have a problem…sick cows, sick milk. All of the major commercial dairy operations have sick cows…that is why they have to fill them with antibiotics, and pasteurize the milk.
But how can you have been buying raw milk…isn’t it illegal? Yes and no. For the first 5 years or so, we had cow shares…basically BOUGHT a share of a cow. Each cow was divided into 14 shares, two milkings per day, seven days per week. We even knew our cows’ names, and would go see them. We paid a monthly fee to board the cow, and received the milk for free…because it was ours…our milk from our cow.
A stupid way to get around the stupid laws, but it made it legal.
Now it is even easier. The labels from the milk and butter say “Organic, Grassfed, Raw Milk…For intermittent feed use only for dogs and cats. NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION”
Now let’s talk about RISK analysis…
It’s unpasteurized…I could get sick, right? Don’t I care about my kids?
I could, and I do, but what is the risk…really?
I know the farmer, and have been getting the products for years. The farmer has customers, and wants to continue to provide a product to sell…it is in his best interest to make sure he has a safe product to sell.
I know the risk, but the USDA and FDA (and every other God damned three letter gov’t agency in existence) want to protect me, as well as the other unaware people who might not know they are buying this risky product…
No…I’ve been paying $10/gal and $17/lb for milk and butter…no one is going to ‘accidentally’ purchase this stuff.
Back to Amos…the Amish are VERY smart people.
If he started a members only buyers club for his products, he did it for a good reason…bet you dollars to doughnuts that the USDA laws and regs only deal with businesses that sell TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC…but that is a road too far for the Feds…they will never concede that point…and the judges will always presume that the laws were MEANT to apply to all even if written otherwise…because the cards would start falling, otherwise.
And fka Serena…I wouldn’t believe anything the FDA or USDA says about people getting sick or dying from this or that raw milk farmer. They’ve been throwing bogus charges like that around for decades…they really can’t stand the small natural dairy farmers…the big commercial guys have too much pull.
And even if true…far fewer people have been sickened by raw milk products than the FDA approved dairy, eggs, lettuce, etc.
And, ultimately…I CHOOSE.
Regarding your last observation about not believing anything the FDA or USDA said about people getting sick and dying from raw milk… You would think people would really question the govt. on these things after all the manipulation of stats with COVID. After all I think we even saw a motorcycle death being categorized as a COVID death.
Exactly!
All of a sudden these liars are to be believed?🙄
> ultimately…I CHOOSE.
That’s it in a nutshell. So long as the product is accurately labeled and people knowingly consent to the risk, it’s nobody’s business.
I can accept inspections, but that’s it.
Sure wish I could find something like this near my location in Georgia.
I don’t want to drive 2 or 4 hours round trip to pick up milk, butter, etc. so I do work arounds.
I get meat delivered from Wild Fork Foods, Florida, because it’s less expensive, free delivery and higher quality than local grocery stores. There are local farmers who sell, however, the minimum distance is 2 hours one way, and if delivered there is a heavy delivery fee ranging $25-75 .
The meat/poultry/fish I buy are local neighboring states, independents farms, which I have checked out. Quality is very high, prices are lower than local grocery store.
We are spoiled because we were raised on big farms and had it all, even fresh game, fish, everything…never realized how rich we were; until……………
Up until a few years ago, we continued to raise all of our vegetables and some fruit. The local farmers market leaves a lot to be desired and if you are not there at 7 am…forget about going. The selection and quality is not up to the standard of a 14 yr old 4-H’r project! LOL…
best listing I could find on short notice: http://www.dairydirect2you.com/milk-GA.aspx
Maybe this will help? Some farms have pick up sites, by the way. So that you don’t have to drive all the way to the farm.
https://www.realmilk.com/farm-directory/wpbdm-region/georgia-usa/
Leo—Thank you.
I passed by the small herd of Dairy cows where I get my Raw milk.
Healthy and contented looking cows.
When I got my Raw milk yesterday it was given to me by one of the owners kids. No middleman.
When you think of how many people handle commercially sold milk from the barn to the cooler at the store…….
I can’t be the only person who has bought milk from a store, took it directly home and put it in the fridge. Then open it that night and it smells “off”. Like someone down the line left it out too long before it made it to the store cooler.
I prefer to buy mine direct!
And you have a deal with the cow share. My Raw milk is 14.00 a gallon. It’s a splurge when I buy it.
There are a lot of YouTube videos out there about the battle between commercial and small dairies people can watch.
Happy healthy well fed cows-combined with clean handling of the milk is the key. And know your Dairy.
Think about this:
A raw milk seller has a vested interest in making sure his cows are healthy and producing wholesome milk.
A commercial dairy just pumps their cows full of antibiotics and keeps milking a sick cow, so you are buying milk with pus and antibiotics in it.
Which is healthier??
There’s no victim, therefore no crime.
That ship sailed many years ago.
While somewhat different scenarios, I wonder if there is an analogy to be made between this and similar farmers and the medical doctors who are on a cash only basis and don’t involve insurance companies? I guess there are regulations the cash only doctors can somewhat avoid. Perhaps alternative medicines or are they also tightly regulated and can’t be out of line of current accepted norms?
Well I have a private food club. The problem is I don’t make enough, beyond me and my wife.
The USDA is Not an enumerated power!
“If we required Congress to stay within the enumerated powers, two things would happen:
The job of US Senator or Representative would be so boring, few would want to be reelected. After all, how many times can you revise the bankruptcy code (authorized by I, § 8, cl. 4); fix the Standard of Weights and Measures (authorized by Art. I, §8, cl.5); and organize the Patent and Copyright Office (authorized by Art. I, §8, cl.8)?”
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” — Amendment X, Our Constitution, Our Bill Of Rights (Untouchables – Can Not be Amended)
No one has been injured, no one has been made ill.
That is the problem. Mr. Miller is providing wholesome, pure food products that help facilitate a high quality of life.
That is not what the NWO has in mind for the world population.
These fiends want green this and no oil products yet make life difficult for a farmer who practices clean production.
I will bet that this farmer slaughters those cows correctly and humanely. Plus it’s a private club. Feds are way overstepping.
This is WEF Marxist utopia. He will NOT hop on a tractor , ride to Washington and protest like the farmers in Holland. He is not buying nitrogen.
@5;00 she mentions pacifists. These Amish will not pull a gun on the raids
Rebel News. Organic media that doesn’t take $$ from troodolt. Clean news.
Just a reminder. ALL 100% of the calves in America thrive on raw milk.
why, can there be any question ? our goober-mint, after all, have only our best interest at heart! /s
Yes,
the govt who has mandated shots that only do harm,
forced people to wear masks, that cause harm,
destroyed our economy,
want us to use roach milk for protein
and eat bugs
are concerned we might get sick from fresh cows milk.
Uh huh.
This is to get control of the Amish, since they work outside the system. Can’t have that. They, too, must be digitally tracked
and managed by the fascists. This is just their created window of opportunity, in my opinion.
yup! that’d be the one . . . best mint of all be the goober-mint.
The government has no right to tell the farmer or his customers what they can eat. Why should this gentleman be forced to use antibiotics or anything else on his crops or livestock? He is a “green “ as it gets, so it’s not about “climate change “, but that has never been what it’s about.
The plan is about starving us out and they are trying to stop all of us from coming up with a community plan for survival. This will morph into laws against buying fresh eggs from our neighbors with chickens, or more importantly bartering for those eggs.
Ultimately, it will be about bartering, they can not allow us to be self sufficient and outside of the heavy hand of the government. Especially when they have completely orchestrated the pending food shortages.
God save the Amish!
What, do you or some relative work for the USDA? You going psycho over the POSSIBILITY that Mr. Miller’s milk MAY have contributed to the death of one individual while the so-called ‘food pyramid’ pushed by the USDA for DECADES has caused the deaths of MILLIONS via obesity and obesity related health issues. With your ‘degrees’ in the sciences, you do know a diet heavy in carbohydrates is NOT best for optimal health…..right?Diabetes(type 2) anyone. BTW, I too have ‘letters’ in front and back of my name.
As long as there is ‘informed consent’ between ADULT participants, what do you care.
I’m with the Amish farmer on the agricultural part of the story. But, how does he put down the cattle? Is it a humane way?
This could also open the door to certain religious groups whereby some living in small communities might assert the right to their own ritual slaughter practices, Islamic State-style.
How does a hunter put down his catch? You shoot to kill on first shot which I am sure any farmer or hunter can do with precision.
halal slaughter is by slicing the throat. the animal struggles until it dies.
As does Kosher slaughter. It is the same practice.
The stunning of animals is exempted for both these religions.
Kosher uses a different type of knife, it’s longer and curved. It cuts through from side to side and severs the spinal cord. Halal is a shorter and straight knife and cuts through the throat area leaving the spinal cord intact (very brutal for the animal).
That would be the best. A bullet to the heart.
I’m sure he harvests them, just kills them then butchers them then he eats them my precious.
My Dad always put them securely in their stantion in the barn, and he, with a helper, perhaps the Vet, would either shoot them in the head or slice their throat then the butchering would begin….
Well, proper cooking of any raw food will kill salmonella or listeria. Any thing above 165 degrees will kill the bacteria. On lettuce, and such, it may be washed in a solution of a very small amount of bleach, or vinegar, and water. Raw milk may be ‘scalded’ before it is consumed, to kill the listeria.
A healthy immune system is man’s best friend, so to speak.
May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the Holy One of Israel bless and keep this farmer and his family.
So this farmer did not just start up his farm yesterday, so why armed marshalls now? Here is why…..tyranny in the form of a massive federal gov’t. is the law of the land now.
Retired Doctor here. I do a lot of research. Since the advent of pasteurised milk, there has been an increase in infections with a bacterium called Mycobacterium Avium Paratuberculosis.(MAP) This bug is insiduous and is believed to case many serious chronic infections. It is NOT TB is the usual sense, nor bovine TB.
What happens is this -birds sit on cows and poop on them. Poop can run down and infect/contaminate the udder. When the cow is milked-not all milked cows because diligent farmers clean the udders, but there are some who do not. Now the milk contains that bug. Because of collection of milk from farmers by pooled tankers even if the milk is clean, the pooled milk may contain this bug.
Some cattle are infected with this bug, causing Johne’s disease
Now its sent to be pasteurised. Pasteurisation only heats up to 72 degrees F which does NOT kill this bug because it has a thick coat. While pasteurization kills most bacteria, it does not reliably kill all MAP. Ultra High tempdoes kill the bug-long life box milk is UHT mik.
(Pasteurization refers to – The process of heating of each and every particle of milk to at least 62.8° C (145°F) for 30 min. or 71.7° C (161ºF) for 15 seconds or to any temperature-time combination, which is equally efficient, in an approved and properly operated equipment. After pasteurization the milk is immediately cooled to 5°C or below.)
From reliable testing, about 2% of retail milk samples contain viable (live) MAP bacteria. Boiling the milk does kill the bug-UHT milk
Then the milk is bottled. packaged and sent for sale.
So the milk you buy in the shop could contain this bug.
And some people get infected by this bug.
It could also happen with some raw milk ingestion
Infection with this bug can cause chronic diseases and auto-immune diseases.
eg
Crohn’s Disease
Ulcerative Colitis
Sarcoidosis
Type 1 Diabetes
Multiple Sclerosis
Other Conditions-possibly Blau syndrome, Parkinsons, thyroiditis-the bug has been found in some of these cases.
Also they have found the bug in the past in cans of infant powdered milk.
I’ll post the links below
It is treatable though with a cocktail of antibiotics.
But testing for it can be difficult. The only reason I posted this is because a friend of mine was infected and got very sick from it.
https://humanpara.org/map-on-the-farm/
Best to not consume milk from animals. Use almond or similar plant milks for drinking. Use animal milk for baking.
Ingredient list for almond milk. Let’s not pretend this concoction of cane sugar, “gellan gum” (whatever the heck that is), and added vitamins is at all equivalent to actual milk from a cow.
“Almondmilk (Filtered Water, Almonds), Cane Sugar, Calcium Carbonate, Sea Salt, Potassium Citrate, Sunflower Lecithin, Gellan Gum, Vitamin A Palmitate, Vitamin D2, D-Alpha-Tocopherol (Natural Vitamin E)”
https://www.bluediamond.com/brand/almond-breeze/almondmilk/original
The media conditioning is truly amazing.
You can very simply and easily make your own, and it has 2 ingredients: almonds and water
Almond water
Rice water
Is
NOT
The OTHER
-white milk
We didn’t have to, you’ve commented on every thread with your opinion. Others disagree. You can continue to buy your FDA approved and USDA inspected products, no one cares. You’re blind to those entities’ violations.
When I lived in California, now long ago, one could buy raw milk and unpasturized eggs in the grocery stores, and the raw-milk dairies were known to be cleaner than the pasturizing ones. I regularly bought raw milk and fertile eggs and never got sick, and I think it should be a personal choice. Besides, Mr. Miller has a private club with a hold harmless agreement. The government should butt out.
Under Barry, the USDA went after Amish dairy farmers who sold unpasteurized milk
See above comments re: my background in foodborne illness.
NATURAL FOOD SELECTION WAS NOT SHUT DOWN
2. Remember the Nestle Raw Cookie Dough e. coli Outbreak?
One lady who got an e. Coli infection from the raw cookie dough had so many major health issues, and never left the hospital or rehab after 2 years. Settlement: $25M. Largest foodborne illness settlement then and probably to date.
Nestle wasn’t shut down.
I could go on. The foodborne illness practice group I was on handled all the major outbreaks – for years and years. People died. Kidneys fail first.
Many, many other corporations are responsible for foodborne illnesses causing death – and they produce their food products under heavily regulated processes.
I truly believe Miller’s farms has better protocols that corps.
I would need to review how many confirmed cases were in this CDC “outbreak”. They never say that. Two illnesses never constituted an “outbreak” in the 8 years I worked on CDC designated foodborne outbreaks under FDA or USDA regualtion.
Are members getting sick and dying? Is his not using gasoline and diesel damaging the environment? Should he inject more drugs that people want to avoid? No electricity involved—is this evil? I thought we just passed a $750 billion dollar spending law to help the environment? Seems to me he’s years ahead of this rogue department. Call off the dogs and the judge who uses disinformation.
Did I imagine it, or did our government send out free crack pipes recently?
🤔
This isn’t for your health, folks. It’s only about power and control.
That’s an excellent point!
Winner, winner chicken dinner!
They are doing this across Canada right now, telling farmers and ranchers that have sold to the neighbors and community for years that they will no longer be able to do just that. This is much deeper than this one Amish farmer, this is the new trend. Myself, if I am willing to purchase this farmer’s product, I see no reason why the government is butting in, it is none of their business in my opinion.
The real leaders of the left (their real literature) is to destroy humanity with destruction of all that is (destroy all that came before -bbb). Then Utopia will appear. Every Marxist Socialist and Marist Socialist adjacent governance has the same plan. There is no plan – none that explains how they get from complete destruction to Utopia. Utopia means “nowhere” (they love their messaging in plan sight). Read any of their literature from Marx to Marcuse. But you need to read one layer deeper than those morons. Once you do that, they give their real agenda away in very complicated prose. Their goal is the eliminate man completely to save mother GIA. Most commies, freeloaders, Lefties and useful idiots don’t know this. In fact I doubt 99.5% of the population does. This is their leadership’s real plan; not just to get down to 500,000 people. They know there is no green energy solution, climate change is a con, there is no transhumanism, no AI – it is not A nor I (that has been know since 1930s), there is no gene theory because the body (specifically immune system kills Frankenstein genes 100% of the time going back to the 1990s), and everything you have been told is a lie (William Casey CIA Director under Reagan).
Do this one simple mind game, what does a green energy solution look like? You can’t because it is a ludicrous notion and to think the people who can’t make it in the real world (those in government and oligarchs and money changers) are going to accomplish the impossible, and you really have cognitive dissonance.
I will bet that more people have died or suffered serious illnesses from food and goods that were inspected by government inspectors. In fact, I would even bet that the count on his side is “zero!” Dvid Horowitz wrote in his biography, “Radical Son”, that his epiphany came when he realized that the only real foundation beneath true freedom is private property rights. All other rights spring from that foundation. That is why the government is punishing this man. They cannot allow anyone to have exercise their property rights without holding the keys. It is also the key issue in the view of the ideologues on the left. All rights spring from the state, and they know that property must be the domain of the state. Therefore, they can take your gun (property), take your money (property), take your words (property) and take your life (property) should they choose to restrict you from enjoying it. It is the real issue that Trump is fighting over right now, and they can’t afford to let him win.
Here’s the CDC Final Report on this “Outbreak” of a whopping 2 people. You can read my above comments for further relevancy.
”closely related genome sequencing” ?? like kinda pregnant?
https://www.cdc.gov/listeria/outbreaks/raw-milk-03-16/index.html
I think the feds are targeting Miller.
If he is not selling to the general public then the federal government has no jurisdiction. These are private transactions agreed to by private individuals. Are banking laws was going to be imposed if I loan friends or family members money?
Yep they are. What do you think the current IRS expansion is for?
“Applying the Government’s logic to the familiar case of Wickard v. Filburn shows how far that logic would carry us from the notion of a government of limited powers. “
Good evening fellow Treepers.
I reside in this wonderful area of PA and have been living here my entire life.
The reason for the huge attention this story is getting is due to the fact that Mr. Miller was selling his farm products across state lines which the USDA doesn’t like especially if someone gets sick and they trace it back to you.
In this part of PA, you can buy just about anything right off an Amish farm and some farms are inspected by the PA department of agriculture and some are not. It depends on what they are selling and where it is being sold.
Mr. Miller and the USDA have been in a protracted court fight over inspection rules nothing more nothing less. Both sides decided to engage in trench warfare and conduct themselves like idiots IMO. They could have figured this all out years ago, but chose not too.
Most Amish I have dealt with personally and professionally just want to be left alone to work, raise their family, and serve God.
Mr. Miller should have worked with the USDA at the outset to come to an agreement on inspections etc. and this whole thing would have been avoided.
Just my two cents.
Thank you for that. I appreciate it.
My 2 older sisters live in the Buffalo, NY area and do much of their shopping in the Amish country near them; they are fortunate.
fair point.
here is one: in a dispute between a law abiding citizen and government, who should be protected and who should be limited? in a constitutionally sound and rational framework?
spoiler: this is not about pasteurized milk. And it’s not about what “others” have done either. It’s a fundamental question related to liberty and freedom.
I say, so what that he sells to customers who are across an invisible state line. Does the food KNOW THIS?
this issue relates to a much broader fundamental right and issue that has been forgotten, ignored and diluted by millions of americans who no longer grow their own food and depend entirely on some “system” that favors big corporations and neat rows of food stuffs on a shelf.
why SHOULD Mr. Miller be required and forced to comply with USDA? Simply because USDA demands it?
there is so much about this story that relates to huge aspects of the ongoing parasitic nature of modern government and regulation…most people just assume he is “breaking the law”, because we have grown accustomed to the reach of government into literally every single thing that a human can possible imagine…and then some.
This is not liberty, nor is it freedom..and it certainly does not identify with pursuit of happiness.
this story is important because it serves are a literal time machine that transports us all back to a time and a practice that involved far less regulations and enforcements of our choices.
and the lesson of this time and space travel should be clear: we have lost so much freedom and liberty across the board. And it’s time for people to understand this power has not produced a safer more cohesive society. it has torn entire families, businesses and communities apart and created a space ONLY for those willing to cower and be overlorded by common emebeciles.
we should demand better.
I’m with Amos, even IF he is wrong. On principle, I am with Amos because first and foremost, he is a private citizen who has the simple proven practice of growing and selling food in a way that is established and proven safe. no regulations needed, just good animal husbandry and solid credibility.
He should submit to the unconstitutionally empowered dept. and everything will be fine.
If, rather than standing his ground, he would only kiss the ring.
Because hey, I also don’t believe that Ceasar is Lord, but if I just go along to get along, then all will be well.
I’m certain that we can comply our way out of further subjecation.
I have some family friends (I was flower girl at their wedding 50 years ago) who run their family dairy farm, founded in the 1840’s. The feds have been relentless in the stupidity of regulating the farm over the last few decades, especially with the Clean Water Act. They are now an “organic” farm, but that has required them to pull permanently from production any animal that becomes sick or injured and thus requires antibiotics, and they will not destroy an animal that can be cured, they separate it and put it aside for family. It infuriates me to see places that advertise “no antibiotics” – why the heck withhold them from a sick animal?
No raw milk,but here,have a crack pipe,and a safe place to smoke it….
More people die from the food additives banned in the rest of the world, but allowed in the USA, than Mr Miller’s food!
Isn’t the whole point of the FDA supposed to be to keep us from getting sick? Has anyone been proven to be sickened by this farm? If not…the FDA at the very least should leave him alone and they might think about studying his methods.
I’ve learned to hate most of our anti-citizen government.
It would be a good time to revisit Wickard v Filburn just as Roe has been. In light of EPA v W Virginia there could be similar arguments (eventually) SCOTUS would consider to pare back the horrible 1930s case.
This federal government could not care less about anyone other than itself and its domination uber alles. It has no remaining vestige of interest in the people of America. There is a realization among federal employees that the “people” do not pay their salaries; factually, the government prints the money they’re paid with. The purpose of taxes now is solely to keep Americans beneath the wheel and tied down by economic stress. Bureaucrats can therefore distance themselves from the “people” and consider them more like animals they are paid to tend. What this judge and corporate America hates is anything that reminds them it is they that are the animals; so they instinctively now, must destroy anything decent, like this fine, courageous farmer. It is different from the urge to destroy Donald Trump only in degree; all that is good must be replaced with the same blackness they put on lipstick and custom suits to hide.
Like how the big food companies did when they destroyed the little corner cafe where you got the best hamburgers that money could buy.
Its not about the milk.
Its about free association outside regulation. That is it. Don’t get caught up in the detail. The FDA assert they can intervene in all food, jut as the CDC decided they control everything you can use medically, the IRS in every transaction you make, and so on.
These clubs are quite widespread and are gaining a lot of traction in the regenerative agriculture space as people work around the regulations.
This is what they are closing off. As many others point out, the agency is lying, the judge is complicit in the lie and the goal is to prevent ANY interaction outside control by government agencies.
What more do they want from these people? This is better than the “organic” trash that they sell at your local supermarket. Most of that stuff has all kinds of rubbish labels to give you a false sense of security — when it’s just an excuse to sell you overpriced food that they just skipped the pesticide treatment.
As for this humble Amish farmer, you have to buy into the club and you accept those risks. They pay their taxes and cross their t’s and dot their i’s. This government is insane.
The farmer is 100% in the right. Unless he is misrepresenting his beef by saying it is USDA inspected (which I am sure he is not) why should the USDA have any say in how he raises his cattle?
The people in the buyers club know where the food is coming from and are comfortable with the quality. What about game meat? Millions of hunters kill game for home consumption. Deer and Bear aren’t raised in accordance with USDA requirements. Are USDA inspectors going to go after hunters next?
I bet you $10 that regulations will come in to do this.