FACT: It has been over 60-years since Canada purchased a submarine. FACT: Canada has never built one. FACT: Currently the Canadian military have ONE operable submarine out of a fleet of four used ones previously purchased. FACT: Canada recently proclaimed themselves as the North American defender of the Arctic.
Now, put all those facts in the overlay of the December 2024 meeting in Mar-a-Lago between President Trump and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. President Trump was demanding that Trudeau increase their NATO spending and develop a working Canadian military.
Someone recently asked in the comments section why I have an issue with Canada, specifically why a new level of distain for our Northern neighbors. Quite simply, there is a level of lying that exceeds my tongue bite capacity; that level of deceit comes when fabricating lies is accompanied by pretending. The Canadian government is the worst type of political abuser. They willfully pretend and simultaneously lie to the Canadian people. That’s the answer.
Today, the government of Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney announce that German industrial shipbuilder TKMS will be awarded a contract for “up to 12 submarines” valued between $20 and $30 billion {source link}. Now, let’s not pretend.
First, the submarine contract is intended to get Canada back into reasonable position on their NATO obligations.
In reality, it is quite remarkable to think about the Canadian nation with only one currently functional submarine. “Canada hasn’t purchased unused submarines since the 1960s, during the Cold War, and has never ordered anywhere near 12 at once. Canada currently owns four subs, all of which were purchased second-hand, and only one of which is typically operational.” {citation} Now, think about that Mar-a-Lago conversation again.
Second, Canada can’t build their own submarines?
Wait, I’ve been told my statements about the absence of Canadian industrial capacity were mistaken. I’ve been told that Canada can produce heavy industrial equipment, and my statements about their heavy industry as functionally obsolescent were overstated. I’ve been criticized for saying that Canada has deindustrialized their economy in the past 30+ years because they have worshipped the altar of “global warming” or “climate change.”
Those two points above are directly connected, and those are the exact points that President Trump was talking to Justin Trudeau about very strongly.
Trudeau said there was no possibility of correcting this industrial lack of ability, and the U.S would just have to accept Canada’s high-horse pontificating position. That’s the core of the 51st state counterpoint.
[NOTE: You cannot have an industrial economy without the ability to create iron, steel, aluminum and various compounds of molten metal. You cannot make metal with windmills, solar or nuclear energy. You must generate massive amounts of heat. That heat is measured in joules because joules are the measurable unit for energy, and they provide a universal, precise way to quantify the energy transferred as heat. Industrial manufacturing takes joules, which creates carbon emission in the process.]
Keep in mind, the USMCA (CUSMA) is going to get terminated. As a consequence, it is easy to see the U.K and EU trying to provide the financial backstop to protect Canada (a commonwealth action). What Carney is doing with this submarine contract is offshoring $30 billion CAD to Germany at current rates, so that Germany can (a) offset their own industrial economic implosion; and (b) position to return a financial favor in the near future.
GERMANY – […] As panic spreads among German manufacturers, layoffs are rolling through formerly prosperous towns and villages with no living memory of a downturn. The moment could become a political turning point for a country whose wealth was largely created by the Mittelstand, or “middle-class”—shorthand for the inner core of Europe’s largest economy.
For the first time in decades, Germany now imports more advanced capital goods from China than it exports there. Manufacturers are suddenly on the defensive, not just in China and elsewhere, but also at home. (more)
Remember the “coalition of the willing” that Mark Carney injected himself into? The U.K, Germany, France and now Canada. They swim together or sink alone.
Oh, things are going to get really ugly. We underestimate when we say, “there are trillions at stake.”
GERMANY – According to Reuters, Volkswagen’s supervisory board is expected to discuss a sweeping restructuring proposal at a July 9 meeting. People familiar with the matter say the plan could eliminate up to 100,000 jobs and close four factories in Germany, adding to roughly 50,000 workforce reductions already planned. If approved, it would become the largest restructuring in Volkswagen’s history and one of the biggest workforce overhauls the global auto industry has ever seen. (more)
Now, is the Mark Carney contract to Friedrich Merz making more sense?
Canada claims they are going to lead the protection of the Arctic and defend Greenland from horrible Trump’s entreaties.
Canada has one submarine, a carbon exchange system to block industrial production/capacity, and a functionally obsolescent military severely behind in meeting NATO obligations.
But President Trump’s expressed frustration and anger at their sanctimonious pontificating have hurt the feelings of Canadians, or something equally pretentious.
Think about it.



I didn’t know they even had 20-30B to spend???
Well, technically, neither did the USA, but we still spend it.
I just don’t know if they are able to carry debt since their currency isn’t used worldwide like ours and isn’t the petro dollar. It will be interesting to see how long we can do that, too..
They don’t it’s on the credit card.
Back in the 60s, we actually had a light carrier, the HMCS Bonaventure, and could perhaps have potentially operated several more, but for the eternal stinginess of Ottawa where the Canadian Armed Forces are concerned:
“Impressed with this ability to independently provide a carrier and her escorts for weeks at a time without allied assistance, the United States offered to sell us their modernized Essex class carriers for only $4 million each – which, being twice as large as Bonnie and 50% faster, was quite a deal, especially since Bonnie’s 1966 refit alone cost $17 million. Sadly, to pay for a larger airwing and crew that would do justice to an Essex class was considered beyond the means of the Canadian budget, and the offer was never followed upon. Indeed, even Bonaventure’s own modest airwing and crew was considered too much, and on July 3, 1970, she was decommissioned – only 3 years after her refit.”
Yep. Anyone with even a passing familiarity with the present-day Canadian federal Liberals would immediately smell a rat; the party of Justin Trudeau would never invest so much money in new equipment for the CAF without some kind of major ulterior motive driving them.
I suspect these subs will never be built.
Bingo warren. Carney is an expert at talking and pushing things down the road. 1 or 2 might be built but Canada will collapse faster than the ability to pay for more.
Bluster, exactly for a counterpoint on what is about to happen to them……….
Under ice ops by a conventional sub – even if AIP (newer tech), is not something I ‘d want to do routinely.
These Canadians are clowns. I wonder how long that sub can remain submersed while operable.
The two limitations are oxygen and food. Assuming everything else is operational. There are chemical canisters that can produce oxygen and equipment that can extract oxygen from water. If you can snorkel you can pump in fresh air without the need to surface. I was on an older sub and we left for West-Pac we had canned food stacked in the passageways that we had to walk over. At one point we were eating bacon that was packed in lard from WWII, nasty stuff.
Maybe Germany thinks getting the U-boats over here to start will have better results.
And how few functioning subs do the German’s have?
One or two?
Yes, it is about stripping the last of Canada’s wealth before the theft becomes too obvious.
Germany has 6 functioning diesel electric subs. The entire fleet was not functioning from 2017 through 2018 for maintenance issues. Germany is building a newer class with deliveries in 2032 and 2034.
Must mean the war with Russia that is supposed to start in 2030 will be pushed back to the mid 2030s.
Canada and the EU are not serious people. They are talkers and do not have any idea how to manage a country and an economy.
The Canadian government consists of low IQ children pretending to be important adults.
The same is true for the Corrupt Canadian Media.
It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad and pathetic.
Millions of Canadians will have their lives destroyed as a result of the moronic pretending of these cretins.
Here in the United States we have been temporarily saved from a similar fate because God blessed us with Donald J. Trump as President. I pray that God would bring Canada just such a leader.
Leadership of that sort in Canada would first require a significant base of voters who did not shrink in fear from being called unfashionable or deplorable. Pray for that, and the rest would follow.
We have to be thankful we elected President Trump otherwise what we are seeing in Canada and the EU would be a reflection of what the USA would be.
So right.
Many here at CTH seem to enjoy watching Canada and Europe implode without considering the suffering of the average citizens.
We gonna to this and were gonna do that.
Its like that song says, i’m gonna blow that horn.
Guy says, ok come on and blow that horn.
Guy says i’m gonna bow it.
Guy says awe come on and blow the horn.
Guy says i’m gonna blow my horn.
etc,etc, etc.
The horn is never blown but its talked about over and over.
Excitement builds and a big fat nothing happens!
So can a duh, come on and blow that horn.
I mean ballast. 😂🦨
You just know that Duh Canada and Germany will both try to count this as NATO spending on both countries’ spreadsheets…waiting out President Trump’s term. It may well be that a bunch of other countries; France, Italy, Spain, also try to piggyback on this one-trick pony. Just awful people.
SD, was the circus carney pals with jeffy Epstein and gislane?
FLTHY LIBERALS
We’re Canadamad as usual because President Trump tells us the truth. Orange Man BAd.
People have NO IDEA how right Sundance is. Our Country is a complete playtoy for Short WEF Decline Master Mark Brookfield.
We Make Nothing!.
Except Prideful, Sanctimonious, Filthy Elbows Up MArxist to the Bone LOSERS.
There are some Canadians who haven’t drunk the Kool-Aid, the Trucker Protest showed that, when they came close to success.
Here is a 50 year golden oldie from a non pretending Canadian.
I remember this recording. It got a lot of air play back then. I recall all the words like it was yesterday. Made us feel proud as Americans then, and now.
I truly hope those Albertans sitting on the fence about the October referendum on secession can now see that they are passengers on the sinking ship the SS Canada!
Thanks Babylon Refuge, I needed the laugh.
Canadia… Submarines… LOL. Takes decades to learn the Art of Submarine Warfare…..
Tis like the difference between writing a check, and driving a Lambo.
Are the subs going to be green? you know, solar powered, wind powered, Norsemen rowing them………
I hear that they are contracting the Hessians to man the new U-Boats.
Hysterical! I needed a good laugh today.
“People familiar with the matter say the plan could eliminate up to 100,000 jobs and close four factories in Germany, adding to roughly 50,000 workforce reductions already planned.”
Learn to code.
oh … wait. A.I. does that now.
Grow food, like beef, etc.
Oh, wait, your Green Goals prohibit that?
etc etc
Monroe doctrine?
Tell me again about Canadian heavy industrial equipment, for anything but mining. Tell me about the Canadian automobile companies, too.
That’s like Barney Fife having only 1 bullet.
Why could nuclear energy not be used for industrial manufacturing? It certainly produces heat and joules.
Thanks
I don’t thing the furnaces are electric.
I believe aluminum smelters are often powered by electricity in a non-oxidizing furnace. The US had many of them in the Pacifc Northwest powered by hydropower from the 940’s onward. Nearly all closed now due to rising electricity costs and elimination of hydro capacity.
Yes, it is possible, but not practical. Natural gas and coal is much less expensive and we have lots of it. Nuclear is best used to produce massive amounts of base load electricity for our grid that is available 24/7.
What if destroying the middle class by destroying the economy and industrial base IS the goal?
Cause that is what they are doing.
My question would be, with Germany de-industrializing as they, too, have bought into ‘climate change’ is it even possible for them to legitimately build submarines??
True, I thought the wino’s were the sub builders in euro-trash land.
Maybe the Germans will sub them out to Chyna?
The photo
Way too little, way too late.
Building things gives off too much greenhouse gas! Best to have that greenhouse gas lingering over Germany, where it will obviously obediently stay, rather than have it drift across Canada, eh? lol
It’s comical that, armed with two operational subs (assuming that they are capable of fielding two at once), they will single-handedly defend the Arctic with one, while defending Greenland from nasty ol’ DJT with the other. You can’t make this stuff up!
The subs will never be built, maybe one or two. I live near CFB Borden and they don’t even have a functioning airport anymore, due to budget cuts. All jets coming to base land at a private airport a half hour away from the base and then you have to hitch a ride to the base. Last summer they flew a bunch of jets to be used for mechanics to train on from out west, they had to land at another private airport and then they pulled them to base with pickup trucks down the highway. What a f’ing joke.
What will Canada do with those subs?
Russia has missle carrying subs that can launch from the middle of the Atlantic and hit anything in North America if they wanted to.
What will the Canadian subs be carrying? Who will man them?
The Canadian government is fast tracking 3rd world immigrants who want to join the Canadian armed forces.
Who does that?
Same with fighter aircraft; they dont have the range to do anything in Canada. Will they be stationed in Europe?
During WWII the Pacific, Atlantic, and the ice and muskeg up north prevented any hostile nation from coming anywhere near Canada.
We have already been invaded and conquered by millions of mostly 3rd world Indians.
All the decisions taken by Carney and his team are for their selfish personal enrichment.
Canada has been captured by the Brookfield Party, the WEF, China, and the Eurotrash who run the EU.
If Canada wanted to protect itself from conflict, leave NATO, ditch the EU, be neutral.
The alliances that were put together for mutual protection before WWI and WWII caused those wars.
Poland and Germany could have sorted out their border issues as India and Pakistan do.
It was British guarantees to Poland that turned a local dispute into a global war.
Canadians have been used by the British Empire as its cannon fodder for over a century. Stupid habits persist.
Seems not not long ago or currently, if my memory serves me correctly, Canada had military exercises with Chyna in Canada
ALL Dog and Pony (with very little Pony or Dog) and copious sums of pucky.
The CAD will collapse and the entire contract will be scuttled, as an emergency is declared.
roooooowwww roooooowwww. roooowww
That’s a laugh! Canada….the North American defender of the Arctic?
The TRUTH is…….Canada could NOT defend themselves in a real world war…..they would need the United States! Unless of course they were going up against the United States…..then they would need the rest of the world!
Canada……is woke, liberal and weak! And in again in truth……they don’t have anything we can’t get from somewhere else, have ourselves or produce ourselves…….they need the rest of the world….because they do very little themselves….specifically in manufacturing or producing.
They ASSEMBLE what is manufactured and sent to them from somewhere else……..
Not the Canada I knew growing up….
Fact: Canada purchased UK subs in the late 90s.
Fact: 2000-2026 doesn’t add up to 60 years.
Fact: Signing a defence procurement deal and actually buying the product are 2 very different things in Canada;
In 1993, the Tory government signed a deal to buy 48 EH-101 choppers to replace our dangerously worn out SAR/ASW fleets.
The Liberal Party of Jean Chretien, who virulently hate the military, cancelled the contract despite a 500 million dollar penalty. In 2023, the Libs signed a contract for 88 F-35s. Now they’ve reduced that number significantly, signed another deal with SAAB to buy Gripens instead because they’ll be built in a Lib stronghold in Quebec and are dragging their feet on the F-35. I expect the F-35 deal to be cancelled for good as well as the sub deal if the dems take the White House in 2028. The promise to spend more on defence will vanish as well just at it will with the rest of NATO.
Anybody remember the Pontiac Parisienne?
My parents owned a 1968 Pontiac Catalina. It had a 400 cubic inch engine which got 21 mpg on the highway. The car went to 240,000 miles with no major repairs before the frame rusted out and it had to be junked.
strong, funny, dead on. great essay
Quote: “Canada claims they are going to lead the protection of the Arctic and defend Greenland from horrible Trump’s entreaties.”
Given the current state of Canada’s economy and military (army, navy and air force)….there is very little Canada could do to prevent the US military from securing Greenland, if that is what Trump wanted to do..
Should Trump make an offer to Denmark (for Greenland) they can’t refuse – and there is a non-zero chance that could very well happen, given the state of Canada and the EU – Canada couldn’t do squat.
Should we decide to beef up the security of the military bases we already have there…what is Canada going to do?
Carney and his media propaganda machine are big on pride and talk, but lack any real substance to enforce their will.
Hence, Trump’s 51st state talk….
BUT…it looks like Canada wants to be either a commonwealth subject to the British Crown, or a province subject to China’s sovereignty.
Being a US territory or state requires a willingness to exercise some independence of will – something clearly lacking in Ottawa politics as currently composed.
Everyone Missed the Real Reason Carney Chose German Submarines