FACT: It has been over 60-years since Canada purchased a submarine. FACT: Canada has never built one. FACT: Currently the Canadian military have ONE operable submarine out of a fleet of four used ones previously purchased. FACT: Canada recently proclaimed themselves as the North American defender of the Arctic.
Now, put all those facts in the overlay of the December 2024 meeting in Mar-a-Lago between President Trump and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. President Trump was demanding that Trudeau increase their NATO spending and develop a working Canadian military.
Someone recently asked in the comments section why I have an issue with Canada, specifically why a new level of distain for our Northern neighbors. Quite simply, there is a level of lying that exceeds my tongue bite capacity; that level of deceit comes when fabricating lies is accompanied by pretending. The Canadian government is the worst type of political abuser. They willfully pretend and simultaneously lie to the Canadian people. That’s the answer.
Today, the government of Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney announce that German industrial shipbuilder TKMS will be awarded a contract for “up to 12 submarines” valued between $20 and $30 billion {source link}. Now, let’s not pretend.
First, the submarine contract is intended to get Canada back into reasonable position on their NATO obligations.
In reality, it is quite remarkable to think about the Canadian nation with only one currently functional submarine. “Canada hasn’t purchased unused submarines since the 1960s, during the Cold War, and has never ordered anywhere near 12 at once. Canada currently owns four subs, all of which were purchased second-hand, and only one of which is typically operational.” {citation} Now, think about that Mar-a-Lago conversation again.
Second, Canada can’t build their own submarines?
Wait, I’ve been told my statements about the absence of Canadian industrial capacity were mistaken. I’ve been told that Canada can produce heavy industrial equipment, and my statements about their heavy industry as functionally obsolescent were overstated. I’ve been criticized for saying that Canada has deindustrialized their economy in the past 30+ years because they have worshipped the altar of “global warming” or “climate change.”
Those two points above are directly connected, and those are the exact points that President Trump was talking to Justin Trudeau about very strongly.
Trudeau said there was no possibility of correcting this industrial lack of ability, and the U.S would just have to accept Canada’s high-horse pontificating position. That’s the core of the 51st state counterpoint.
[NOTE: You cannot have an industrial economy without the ability to create iron, steel, aluminum and various compounds of molten metal. You cannot make metal with windmills, solar or nuclear energy. You must generate massive amounts of heat. That heat is measured in joules because joules are the measurable unit for energy, and they provide a universal, precise way to quantify the energy transferred as heat. Industrial manufacturing takes joules, which creates carbon emission in the process.]
Keep in mind, the USMCA (CUSMA) is going to get terminated. As a consequence, it is easy to see the U.K and EU trying to provide the financial backstop to protect Canada (a commonwealth action). What Carney is doing with this submarine contract is offshoring $30 billion CAD to Germany at current rates, so that Germany can (a) offset their own industrial economic implosion; and (b) position to return a financial favor in the near future.
GERMANY – […] As panic spreads among German manufacturers, layoffs are rolling through formerly prosperous towns and villages with no living memory of a downturn. The moment could become a political turning point for a country whose wealth was largely created by the Mittelstand, or “middle-class”—shorthand for the inner core of Europe’s largest economy.
For the first time in decades, Germany now imports more advanced capital goods from China than it exports there. Manufacturers are suddenly on the defensive, not just in China and elsewhere, but also at home. (more)
Remember the “coalition of the willing” that Mark Carney injected himself into? The U.K, Germany, France and now Canada. They swim together or sink alone.
Oh, things are going to get really ugly. We underestimate when we say, “there are trillions at stake.”
GERMANY – According to Reuters, Volkswagen’s supervisory board is expected to discuss a sweeping restructuring proposal at a July 9 meeting. People familiar with the matter say the plan could eliminate up to 100,000 jobs and close four factories in Germany, adding to roughly 50,000 workforce reductions already planned. If approved, it would become the largest restructuring in Volkswagen’s history and one of the biggest workforce overhauls the global auto industry has ever seen. (more)
Now, is the Mark Carney contract to Friedrich Merz making more sense?
Canada claims they are going to lead the protection of the Arctic and defend Greenland from horrible Trump’s entreaties.
Canada has one submarine, a carbon exchange system to block industrial production/capacity, and a functionally obsolescent military severely behind in meeting NATO obligations.
But President Trump’s expressed frustration and anger at their sanctimonious pontificating have hurt the feelings of Canadians, or something equally pretentious.
Think about it.



A lot of maritime designs are copied. It’s rare when anyone designs and builds a completely new ship.
The US designed and built the LCS. Enough said. Now they will copy a proven design from Japan and the USCG for their new frigates.
Ship designers such as the likes of William Francis Gibbs are few and far between…
The ship designer was a designer of ships, liberty ships and “The Big U”…SS United States…he gave design attention to reducing the risk of on board fires, he lived 1886-1967. Real naval architects are few and far between. The following link gives a bit of his history. He was passionate.
“The Big U” was important in my family…the opening of this article, brings a tear or two…
https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2012/06/vita-william-francis-gibbs
Is that how Gibbs in NCIS got his name for the show?🤗🇺🇸
That is true.
What had gotten the US Navy in trouble, more than once is taking an existing design and heavily modifying into a practically new design. Nevermind constant change orders for stuff that was already built resulting in lots of rework.
No wonder that it blew up the unit costs of the Constellation Class frigates that were going to be built in greater numbers. Instead, Congress decided not to order more of those hulls aside from the initial production run.
Though, considering who was in charge of Navy procurement not so long ago was a Obama appointee there was a non-zero chance that the intention was to screw up American shipbuilding for the foreseeable future and make it more uncompetitive with everyone else, especially China.
Yep and in the case of the LCS we ended up with a bunch of ships that are almost useless and for many, they were decommissioned right after launch.
Lots of blame to go around including the prior administration, Navy brass and eager shipbuilders and their lobbyists.
Just before the summit.
How quaint.
Where will the money come from given Canada’s looming depression?
Dad told me a little about the Great Depression but only after a lot of beer. Not pretty.
They are going to borrow it from as of yet unborn children, and their children. Who the advocate being aborted to save the planet.
They will tax sex and abortions! Like a Monty Python farce.
The looming Looney losses.
Oh Canada!
I pronounce it almost the same way, but I spell it Ugh Canada!
So Canada plans then to keep the Germans employed?
A few years back I remember some economist remarking about the new service economy: “What are we going to do? Fix each other’s vacuum cleaners?”
Well fixing the refrigerators is out, Samsung and LG saw to that.
Build back better?
busted!
Predict that contract will not be filled or paid for….
How is Canadian government going to protect the Arctic from China? China controls Canada now.
Screen doors optional.
Canadian U-Boats.
They can form a Canuck Pack off the St. Lawrence.
And sink all those cheese and wine convoys from Europe.
is it a make-work project to reduce the # of layoffs coming from VW? It is paid for by laundered money, such as from Ukraine war.
German engineering is not what it used to be, but they are still competent.
They are currently the master race of designing over-priced crap that fails the day after warranty expires.
(THAT takes some serious skill, sister)
They are also the expert in assuring no replacement part will be available without considerable grief.
They will however, be happy to sell you yet another over-priced, throw-a-way wundergadget.
In addition to the missing heavy industry, it is an engineering fact that submarines are hard, right up there with reusable rockets.
@John Chisum gets it.
Well, I am not sure if PDJT included submarines when during his election rallies, he talked about making American ship building great again?
WE should build the Canadian submarines, all 12 of them…and tariff them.
The unions down in Norfolk might have something to say about all this stuff?
Honestly, I doubt Canada could afford to buy a dozen nuclear submarines at 12,000,000,000+ USD per, as I don’t think our shipyards have built diesel-electric in more than 60 years.
There’s obviously an issue with technology transfer using purely US designs. Then again, there is that one deal to build nuclear submarines for Australia.
Seems like Canadian attitudes are similar to American attitudes IN THAT in the deep blue cities people are clueless and lie to themselves on a regular basis, believe whatever they hear/see on the mainstream news, and are arrogant about it. But, in the American heartland, as in the Canadian vast countryside and/or rural areas, people are stoutly conservative and think for themselves. Very independent sorts, because they have to be.
But, I hear you… the Canadian government is playing a very stupid, and dangerous, game. But, I recall our leadership played that very same stupid, dangerous, game for decades! Until Trump. Trump is focused on bringing manufacturing back home, which is what we need to be a strong country. Canada “should be” doing the same thing, not playing “I’ll scratch your back, if you scratch mine” with Germany or any other country. Maybe they are just in their stupid place, like we were with Obama and Biden. Hopefully, they can recover from it down the road.
In the early 1980s, US Navy Secretary Lehman beat the drum for a “600-ship Navy” which, when joined by NATO’s navies, would counter the at that time 1700-ship navy of the Soviet Union. Now, 40 years later, we have Carney beating the drum for a fearsome Canadian “12-ship navy.” I feel safer that our northern flank is being protected by the Canucks, don’t you? /sarc
And here’s the most ridiculous part even if they had the funds…
It would take a decade or more. Pretty sure China or Russia could overwhelm Greenland and their dozen Danish soldiers in a fraction of that time. What a joke!
Build times:
* Conventional submarines: 5-10 years
* Nuclear-powered submarines: 10-15 years
* Advanced submarines: 15-20 years or more
* International collaborations: 10-15 years
Germany. hahaha Posted earlier about German defense contractors and their government:
Former chancellor Merkel told Rheinmetall “We don’t really need you”, CEO reveals
Rheinmetall CEO Armin Papperger has publicly criticised former chancellor Angela Merkel of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU), claiming she was highly dismissive of the defence company and that Germany would rely on the United States in times of crisis.
Speaking at the Welt Security Summit on July 2, Papperger recounted that Merkel had told the arms sector: “We don’t really need you, if there is a problem we call the Americans.” The dependence on Washington, he suggested, had been a deliberate choice.
https://brusselssignal.eu/2026/07/former-chancellor-merkel-told-rheinmetall-we-dont-really-need-you-ceo-reveals/
They are all in on the country destroying build back better climate scam and are deindustrializing. Canada’s just further along because they didn’t have the depth of industry that Germany does/did.
“Wait, I’ve been told my statements about the absence of Canadian industrial capacity were mistaken. I’ve been told that Canada can produce heavy industrial equipment, and my statements about their heavy industry as functionally obsolescent were overstated.”
A Canadian has something to say about that in a reply to me on another thread:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2026/07/05/ambassador-hoekstra-interview-highlights-how-canadian-govt-controls-canadian-media/comment-page-2/#comment-12679360
They have forests. Can’t they whittle out some big tree logs and make homemade subs?
Even train some beavers to swim alongside to fool their enemies. Maple syrup torpedoes that gum up the works of opposing ships. I think they have everything they need for their pretend military!
Oh, Canard-ada.
Hosers led by hosers …
That’s all they know…
Hosin!
Oh dear. And we are not anywhere near the bottom….
Those poor folk.
So when EU & Canada are flooded with China’s EVs, the soon to be defunct German automotive industry is converted to making military equipment, which will be a challenge since Z blew up Nord Stream pipe line.
The UKR-RUS war must continue at any cost!!
Charles is going to have to sell the Crown jewels soon to keep Canada afloat.
I feel like UK-EU-Canada are now in one big circular never ending loop!
“… asked in the comments section why I have an issue with Canada, specifically why a new level of distain for our Northern neighbors…. ”
Because their leaders have proven to be anything but our friends.
They are more closely aligned with the chi-coms, the new world order, leeching misery and treachery incorporated.
Should it continue, I foresee the need for a closed, militarily secured border to prevent infiltration by undesirables.
I hope they do not plan on staffing more than one of the new subs at a time, seeing as they do not have a active naval force
That graph of Germany is amazing. 10 years of decline.
Decay by choice.
So 20 to 30 billions wasted. Who is going to man these subs? By the time they are built (unlikely), they won’t have people to man them.
Last time mid-80s in a Canadian sub (diesel rock crusher) in Groton, Conn. the executive officer had invited a number of US military aboard to partake of libations. Ice cold Labatts and Moose head right out of one of the missile tubes.
Good ole days when no one was thinking about how bad their govt was taking full advantage of and abusing the US taxpayers with the help of our very own politicians. Spit
They’ve got a remarkable amount of hubris. It’s stunning, really. Defenders of the Arctic my @$$…they couldn’t even defend themselves from Texas if it came down to it.
As a Texan I’m going to assume that was some kind of backhanded compliment, partner. 🤣
💯 🎯 As always Sundance! Much as it pains me.
Here’s the shiny new Carney a year ago basically saying that we don’t need steel anyway, when being asked about the costs of his net zero goals. (Prompted, watch ~2 minutes)
🤯 🤮 😡
Since joules were mentioned, I’ll add this. It is is so far OT I need to apologize. But I can’t resist …
Joules are kind of unfamiliar to a lot of folks. But we’re all used to talking about the watts for our lights and appliances.
For scale and visualization, it helps to remember that power is the rate at which energy is transferred from one place to another or converted from one form to another. Energy and power are related, but not the same thing.
Energy is about how much work (or heating or cooling) can be done.
Power is about how fast the work (or heating or cooling) can be done.
One watt of power means that one Joule of energy gets transferred or converted. 1 watt = 1 joule per second.
So, your 10 watt light bulb uses ten joules of energy every second it operates.
If it’s on for 5 seconds, it uses 50 joules of energy.
A 10 megawatt data center uses 10 million joules of energy every second. (Mega = million)
Who needs a neighbor that has been so abusive to the country that stands on guard thee ?
Where is Canada going to come up with 20 to 30 billion because the
Canadian military has less than 68.000 active and less than 33.000 reserves with a whopping 40 active military ships and now they are gonna pursue Subs ?
BS
So what hat trick is that rabbit gonna appear rom