BUMPED Due to Importance:
Following a series of FOIA lawsuits, memos from conversations between Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin and former US President George W. Bush have been released online by the National Security Archive. [Original Source Here]
I know it’s Christmas, but bookmark or review as time allows, because the content is very interesting and very important. As early as 2001 and 2008, President Putin clearly told President Bush of his opposition to Ukraine’s accession to NATO, along with other key positions.
Despite what popular media might say, these are NOT full transcripts. Rather, they are memos containing quotes from both leaders as they discuss geopolitical relations between the U.S. and Russia. [SOURCE HERE]
♦ June 16, 2001 – Memorandum of Conversation. Subject: Restricted Meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin. [LINK HERE] In this first personal meeting at the Brno Castle in Slovenia Vladimir Putin and George W. Bush express respect for each other and desire to establish a close relationship. Putin tells Bush about his religious beliefs and the story of his cross that survived a fire at his dacha. In a short one-on-one meeting they cover all the most important issues of U.S.-Russian relations such as strategic stability, ABM treaty, nonproliferation, Iran, North Korea and NATO expansion. Bush tells his Russian counterpart that he believes Russia is part of the West and not an enemy, but raises a question about Putin’s treatment of a free press and military actions in Chechnya. Putin raises a question of Russian NATO membership and says Russia feels “left out.” [READ MEMO HERE]
♦ September 16, 2005: Document 2 – Memorandum of Conversation. Subject: Vladimir Putin, President of the Russian Federation: [LINK HERE] Putin meets the U.S. President in the Oval Office for a plenary that covers mainly issues of nonproliferation and U.S.-Russian cooperation on Iran and North Korea. The conversation shows impressively close positions on Iran and North Korea, with Putin presenting himself as an eager and supportive partner. Bush tells Putin “we don’t need a lot of religious nuts with nuclear weapons” referring to Iran. Putin said that Ukraine’s accession to NATO would, in the long term, create a field of conflict between Russia and the United States, adding that internal divisions within Ukraine could lead to its fragmentation. [READ MEMO HERE]
♦ April 6, 2008 – Document 3: Memorandum of Conversation. Subject: Meeting with President of Russia [LINK HERE] This is the last meeting between Putin and Bush, taking place at Putin’s residence in Bocharov Ruchei in Sochi on the Black Sea. The tone is strikingly different from the early conversations, where both presidents pledged cooperation on all issues and expressed commitment to strong personal relationship. This meeting takes place right after the NATO summit in Bucharest where tensions flared about the U.S. campaign for an invitation to Georgia and Ukraine to join NATO. Turning to conversations in Bucharest, Putin states his strong opposition to NATO membership for Ukraine and Georgia and says that Russia would be relying on anti-NATO forces in Ukraine and “creating problems” in Ukraine “all the time,” because it is concerned about “threat of military bases and new military systems being deployed in the proximity of Russia.” Surprisingly, in response, Bush expresses his admiration for the Russian president’s ability to present his case: “One of the things I admire about you is you weren’t afraid to say it to NATO. That’s very admirable. People listened carefully and had no doubt about your position. It was a good performance.” [READ MEMO HERE]
2001 – Putin raises a question of Russian NATO membership and says Russia feels “left out.”
As noted by The Islander (Via Twitter) – “The 2001 Memo That Should Have Ended the Cold War 2.0 and Instead Helped Write the Preface to Ukraine. There are documents that don’t merely record history, they expose it. This is one of them.
June 2001. A “restricted meeting” between President George W. Bush and President Vladimir Putin. Not a podium performance, not a television soundbite, not a speech crafted for domestic applause. A private conversation, the place where empires are supposed to speak plainly, where leaders test ideas that could reroute decades.
And what does the memo show?
Putin raises the idea that Russia could eventually join NATO. He says Russia feels “left out” by NATO enlargement. He points to an older fact most Western publics were never meant to internalize: the Soviet Union applied to join NATO in 1954. He argues the reasons for rejection no longer apply. He suggests, almost clinically, that perhaps Russia could be an ally — “European and multi-ethnic,” comparable in character to the United States.
Read that again slowly.
Because the propaganda version you’ve been fed for years requires amnesia: it requires you to believe Russia woke up one morning and decided to be “a threat,” as if geopolitics is a mood swing and security architecture is irrelevant.
But here is the declassified record: Russia was probing for an exit ramp. A pathway into a shared system. A new security architecture. A post–Cold War settlement that could have turned the 1990s from a hollow victory lap into a durable peace.
And it didn’t happen.
Not because it was impossible. Not because Russia “never wanted it.” Not because “the West tried everything.”
It didn’t happen because NATO, as an institution, does not know how to live without a frontier. It does not know how to justify itself without an adversary. It does not know how to maintain internal cohesion without a map that points east and says: there.
The 1954 Ghost: the offer the West never wanted to remember
The most important part of this memo is not the 2001 line, but the 1954 reference.
Because it collapses the morality play.
If the Soviet Union, a state the West defined as the existential enemy, floated the notion of joining NATO in 1954, that means something profound: the idea of Russia being inside the European security architecture is not a “Putin-era trick.” It is a recurring historical proposal, returning whenever Moscow believes there may be a rational way to avoid permanent confrontation.
And what happened then? It was refused.
Which is exactly the point: NATO was never simply a “defensive alliance.” Even in 1954, It was a structure. A protection racket. A way to organize Europe under an American strategic roof and to keep it there. If Russia enters that roof as an equal, the architecture changes. Budgets decrease, with less money for the MIC. Threat perceptions change. The entire postwar hierarchy changes.
So the West did what empires do when presented with a peace that would reduce their leverage:
It smiled, took notes, and kept moving.
“Join NATO” was never a plea, it was a test.
Some people still misunderstand the early Putin posture. They interpret it as naivete, or worse, submission.
Wrong.
This was not Russia begging to be absorbed. The consistent theme in contemporaneous accounts is conditionality, that Russia could consider joining if treated as an equal partner, but not as a defeated province invited into the emperor’s club after proving it can submit.
That distinction matters.
Because it reveals the real incompatibility:
•Russia wanted a security system where it is a partner of European security, not an object to be managed.
•The Atlantic system wanted Russia as a managed periphery, permanently “integrating,” permanently reforming, permanently conceding, never truly sovereign in security decisions.
You can’t fuse those visions. One side must yield.
So the Atlantic system chose the only thing it has ever really chosen, expansion.”
A quarter century has passed since that original outreach by Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin in 2001. It was rejected by President George W Bush and all presidents thereafter. In 2025, we are in the phase of consequence.
This public release just happened on December 23, 2025.
Perhaps, just perhaps, this release can change the conversation in the United States. Perhaps, just perhaps, President Trump, Secretary Rubio and Emissary Witkoff can reverse the course, and change the arc of history toward peace and a strategic alliance.
The timing of the release inspires hope, but the opposition to peace is extreme.
Russia was clearly targeted decades ago by the Cabal for the purpose of regime change. Tens of trillions worth of natural resources. Putin has always understood this and is in their way.
Bush was simply playing “good cop”.
George Kennan, 1998 interview on NATO expansion
https://eldyrin.livejournal.com/23389.html
“”I think it is the beginning of a new cold war,” said Mr. Kennan from his Princeton home. ”I think the Russians will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. I think it is a tragic mistake. There was no reason for this whatsoever. No one was threatening anybody else. This expansion would make the Founding Fathers of this country turn over in their graves. We have signed up to protect a whole series of countries, even though we have neither the resources nor the intention to do so in any serious way. [NATO expansion] was simply a light-hearted action by a Senate that has no real interest in foreign affairs.”
”What bothers me is how superficial and ill informed the whole Senate debate was,” added Mr. Kennan, who was present at the creation of NATO and whose anonymous 1947 article in the journal Foreign Affairs, signed ”X,” defined America’s cold-war containment policy for 40 years. ”I was particularly bothered by the references to Russia as a country dying to attack Western Europe. Don’t people understand? Our differences in the cold war were with the Soviet Communist regime. And now we are turning our backs on the very people who mounted the greatest bloodless revolution in history to remove that Soviet regime.”
Thank You for this link….. it reenforces my OPINION that we (the unwashed masses) have been manipulated and misled CONTINUALLY for decades by our “government”….. a gradual drip fed fear of an Iron Curtain…(the slow boiling frog analogy of deliberate distortions works well for me).
on the one hand it can appear as plausibly deniable naïveté in statecraft….or blatant avarice and good old fashioned malevolent greed and arrogance.
I fear the latter is being exposed as THE reality….. and pray that Trump et al is able to engineer the massive course changes necessary to TRY to assuage the damage thats been done ….. and start the process of finally vanquishing the current evil Globalist World Order and OMNIPRESENT MIC.
Cheers friend.
Russia was targeted before the end of WW2 because we needed their help and have been made to be the boogeyman man they are not.
Kinda like Hitler supposed to have taken his own life but our government and others gave him a safe passage into Argentina to live his life until the mid 60s
Russia is not the boogeyman
Links to references for the Hitler info please!
… SIMON DUNSTAN and GERRARO WILLIAMS-Grey Wolf… The Escape of Adolf Hitler-Sterling -New York 2011…..past 40+ yrs been published many articles ..how Adolf escaped…Stalin did not believe from day 1 he is dead…..
Supposedly Eva Braun & hubby Adolf took cyanide, now I cannot speak for Adolf but I knew an old German woman that knew & was neighbor of Eva Braun and that she did not repeat did not die in 45.
Her daughter knew from her mom that Eva did not die in 45 & confronted a professor over it and he stated that the only correct answer on the test is that she committed suicide in 45 period.
Man I loved that old lady’s food …. Fried Spaghetti…. I have been unable to duplicate it even after she gave me a hint or 2. She didn’t pass on much even to daughter, daughter didn’t/wouldn’t learn mom’s cooking as a kid as she was not interested at the time & mom refused to teach her when she was in her early 30’s when she was interested in learning mom’s cooking.
Even then, she had no “recipes” as it was measurements of this bowl/cup/ full… half-full a pinch or 3 of this and that….. impossible to tell. My Grandmother was like that too, cups, tablespoons nope none of that… mostly by eye.
She would let no one even watch, even her daughter once she wanted to know.
Only way to get any semblance of a recipe was if you had something she wanted the recipe of, then she would trade a recipe for it.
Check some of the U.S. Government papers during one of PDJT’s years.
The Soviet Union backed the 1920s DKP (German Communist Party) and ANTIFA. The Soviet Unions’ goal was a Communist Germany and eventually Europe. The NSDAP were a reaction to the DKP. The DKP were a real threat and falsely down played.
The FDR regime was infiltrated by Soviet agents. They pushed a pro Soviet agenda. At the top was Harry Hopkins who eventually became the shadow President as FDR’s health worsened. It’s not an accident that East Europe ended up in Stalin’s hands.
Post Soviet Russia was a totally different situation. What happened post Soviet Union was mostly due to Western and post Soviet corruption. Everything was for sale post Soviet Union. See Soros and Havard Endowment and post Soviet oligarchs. Once Putin took power he quicky took care of both problems.
Bush was an idiot. His entire 8 years was serving the Intelligence Community and the CIA at the behest of daddy.
Blast from the Past: PNAC’s 1998 Letter to Clinton
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2008/1/27/444438/-/
9/11 high treason made that possible.
Clark is a war criminal for his war crimes in the wars against the Orthodox Christian Serbs in support of reconstituted Op Gladio 13 & 21 Nazi SS Divisions
Finally!!! A brief but succinct outline of history which is necessary if we are going to have a deeper understanding of how we arrived at this point, Colkitto. A smiling Clark with all that fruit salad on his chest is not the only one.
NATO discarded its false face long ago. Its current European members/despots, theirs also.
The world has changed in ways none of us could imagine; and it is headed in a direction which is more existential to the survival of Western civilization (or what’s left of it) than the current push for a bloodier Ukraine war…the potential for it moving closer every day with Euro tyrants whose own countries have been decimated by them (with no way out of all their godless, pernicious ideologies except war).
Are we at an historical inflection point where as Shakespeare wrote…
“There is a tide in the affairs of men
Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
On such a full sea are we now afloat;
And we must take the current when it serves,
Or lose our ventures.”
I can’t help but feel that we are.
And here I see perhaps one reason for the divine sparing of President Trump’s life on that dreadful day.
I hope I am not wrong, that the Commander of our vessel has His hand at the helm of our vessel still. If not, even with President Trump, we are rudderless.
I pray I am not wrong.
(Merry Christmas, dear friend…)
WOW…. You GO Girl….! another great summation of my sentiments as well ….(as you so often do)….along with the additional bling of your literary chops for our communal edification …..which I could never do…..
and what a great Christmas gift, to have …..
this site, this fellowship, and braintrust to avail ones self of .
THANKS ALL, & MERRY CHRISTMAS !
Merry Christmas, Clayton 💕 What we are seeing, those of us paying attention anyway (which is everyone in the Tree), are in the audience watching the deliberate dissolution of the Christian world and the tearing down of civilization and everything which makes it so.
The worst is having no ability to leave the theatre of two fronts…war and invasion…. which is on fire.
Bless you, dear sir…I think we all feel this way.
Just as we all agree with your accurate assessment of the gift of our Treehouse. Spot on!!
and Dickie
there was a day I would have argued with you. Unfortunately I no longer can. Too much evidence So sad.
Bush was Not only stupid, but naturally he has the the Bush genes of the family; to lie, cheat and steal, anything for money. He is perhaps the stupidest President behind Bidan.
This is bush (DS) family trait. They care about no one, that doesn’t live for money. They are Texas nobles of America.
Think about how gracious, and friendly Putin was with Bush were. The enmity and the suspicious attitude, from not only Putin, Lavrov and Medvedev was earned and solidified by all the lies, including plans against Russian leaders for decades, and breaking many, if not all promises by the the U.S. lying about wars. (Reminder, Catherine the Great supported out revolutionary movement to overthrow the Bitrish in America. The sheer ingratitude of the U.S. is knowing a Russian Queen supported our rights as a sovereign country, when every or most European countries worked against us.)
Friendship with Russia would have prevented the deaths millions of America and foreign citizens deaths, for decades. what great friendship we’d have with Russia
If for one moment anything of Bush Admin read or knows about the Russian people’s history, lands and wars for 1500 years, they would have understood they are perhaps the hardiest, brave and strongest people of all and any nation of earth. And it’s not cool to try to destroy their country
So GWBush could have made history by being friends and allies and not enemies of Russia for all of history. He could have been praised for the successful resolution Russia and America, of all time, more than any president. Yes it would be impossible to believe it GW, but nonetheless it would have opened up the entire world. (PS I doubt GW will be honored, it’s a stretch too far)
As a child from the 1980’s who had Hippie High School English Teachers playing 1960’s protest songs about “Do you think the Russian’s Want War.” Same Hippies are demanding War!
The whole Cold War build up was to PREVENT A WAR – an invasion of Europe. Russia is not the USSR, it lacks the resource to do that.
Any European War will spiral, it’s happened so many times it’s almost a forgone conclusion. We had a potential Flash Point in an Airport in Kosovo.
If the European Elites want to sacrifice a Generation of Men AND Women, let it be their Children and not ours. I wouldn’t be surprised if future Historians find out that some of the Elites salivating for this believes in Gaia and Depopulation.
Exactly!
FWIW: Brno is the town and castle in the Czech Republic. The castle in Slovenia is Brdo.
All the blood and treasure spent on defeating a foe that now appears to have been holding an olive branch. On this Holy Day, I regret to say I have anger in my heart after reading this. So much done that cannot be undone,
“ All the blood and treasure spent. . .”
That’s a feature, not a flaw, of Team Globalist Cabal and War Pigs, Inc.
That’s an insult to all pigs!
Not to be confused with the Pig War…
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/pig-war-british-american-border-dispute-san-juan-island
What a wasted opportunity and massive deception by our cowardly “leaders”.
Not cowards, but evil politicians seeking to justify their power structure and keep the $$$ flowing to them and their buddies.
And two spooks still deeply embedded with their spook government agencies.
What could possibly go wrong?!
The CIA and other “intelligence agencies” are to blame. They do not have the “best for America” outlook they should have but are always looking for ways to start a war.
“……………are always looking for ways to start a war.”
Rule Number One: Follow the Money!
Be careful what you believe about the USSR. While it may certainly be true that its opponents had mixed motives, it is not true that the USSR was some innocent, misunderstood victim.
Yeah, and while I am no fan of the globalists and their infection of the EU, or NATO, (or the USA) no matter how rosy Putin looks as a “Good Christian” trying to preserve his “Christian regime of Faith”, Putin is not the ally of the USA, never has been, never will be. Putin’s “olive branch” was not in good faith. Putin despises “Freedom of Speech”, and you can forget about your 2nd Amendment rights under Putin, you have no rights under Putin’s regime at all. There is no opposition permitted in Putin’s Russia, it’s all a farce. Just ask the Russian leaders of industry, oh wait:
“At least 38 to over 50 Russian business tycoons, executives, and officials have died under mysterious or suspicious circumstances since the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine. Many cases involved alleged suicides, including falls from windows or balconies, or sudden deaths due to health issues.”
Yeah, you can’t ask them, because TOO MANY of them died, so I seriously doubt any that have not died would feel safe to tell you the truth.
And 18 Generals are also now gone too, but we don’t know why, because it might have been the Russian FSB, or it might have been the Ukraine HUR, but honestly, it doesn’t matter which, because the fact that it MIGHT HAVE BEEN the FSB, is frightening enough.
And then there is Russia’s restricted access to the internet:
“Russia has not entirely ‘banned the internet,’ but the Kremlin has aggressively accelerated its efforts to isolate the Russian internet (Runet) from the rest of the world, resulting in severe restrictions and widespread disruptions throughout 2025.”
The degree of censorship in Russia is of the most severe, obviously resulting in an Orwellian regime, but some in this community love Putin, like he is a Catholic Saint, “Saving Christendom”.
I have been an avid fan and reader of Sundance and the CTH community for about 10 years, and candidly, I am speechless at the myopic perspective I am seeing from this community regarding Putin. He is a dictator. FULL STOP. Please don’t cite his “87% victory” in an election in a land where there is ZERO FREEDOM OF SPEECH. It would be laughable, if it were not so tragic. If the prominant industry leaders were “removed” and generals too, how many tens of thousands of ordinary citizens do you think they have “removed” for criticizing Putin or criticizing the “Ukraine War” (oh wait, you are not even allowed to call it a war, it’s a “Special Military Operation” ?
Do people actually believe Putin is a fan of USA’s Constitutional Republic. Are you blind? Delusional?
Which of Putin’s “ideals” do people believe are in alignment with the USA’s? Do people really believe that Putin is truly a Christian of Faith, or is it possible that Putin is a poser, and just uses the Christian Faith to manipulate his people, to justify his regime’s authoritarian rule?
“An enemy of your enemy, might still also be your enemy.”
Merry Christmas FriendofK!
Seeing your comment reminds me of how much we miss seeing “Jello” in our Treehouse. He was loved and respected by all who knew him. Even though we may not always agree, he proved that we all have much more in common than we think.
Jello and I became friends almost 20 years ago on DailyKos, we were liberals then, but our friendship was really solidified when we were both openly criticizing Obamacare on DK, which led to me first being banned. My father was ill at the time. He had dimentia. I was my father’s care giver, which left me at home to prevented taking another corporare job. Over the years, the hypocrisy of the Democrat Party led us both, seperately, to support Trump. It took Dennis and I several months before we actually spoke to each other about Trump. Jello was afraid I would judge him harshly. I laughed and told him that “I F%% LOVE TRUMP!!!!!!!!” lol…. this really solidified our friendship, and that was when Jello introduced me to CTH. I have been reading it daily ever since.
And apparently, Jello had been criticizing the Trayvon-Zimmerman case online, and was actually getting threats. Jello was already a rather elderly man, and his wife had a long term illness. So, when sundance found out, Sundance offered to provide help, real help. This had a profound impact on Jello. The liberal community would NEVER respond in this way. Never. This tells you everything you need to know about the difference between liberals and conservatives today. Everything.
I miss Jello dearly. We chatted online all the time, and we have discussed over 100 of Sundance’s articles over the years…. but Jello and I always spoke on the phone on Christmas day. Always. He once sent me a gift for Christmas, SUN TZU’s Art of War. Last time we spoke was on Christmas day, exactly one year ago.
Posting on here, makes me feel closer to Jello. I honestly started posting on here because I miss him, and I miss the political discussions we had over the years. He and I shared the same journey and were overjoyed when Trump won this past 2024 election.
Merry Christmas to everyone here, especially Sundance.
God bless you FriendofK! Merry Christmas!!
Thank you so much for filling me in on more of the details. I knew that SD and Jello corresponded via our emails. I was always blown away by his depth of curiosity and kindness towards others.
Also – I’m not surprised to hear that Dennis was getting threats on line because of his involvement in the Trayvon/Zimmerman case. We (the admins and SD) were getting death threats and were doxxed repeatedly.
Since you said his name, yes, Dennis and yeah, his depth of curiiosity is what we shared.
We literally discused at great length over 100 of SD’s articles over the 10 years. That is not an exageration. I could pull up those conversations and post them here. Hmmm…. maybe something to do, to honor him. Hmmm. but it woud be deeply reflective for me… and sad. I miss him dearly.
Thank you for sharing this friendship story.
It is deeply healing for me to talk about him here. I am so glad you all knew him.
There are actually podcasts that emanate from Russia, for example, ‘The Gaggle’ where Peter Lavelle is a British expat living in Russia for years. And startlingly, would probably not agree with a word you’ve said.
Yes, well, most of the citizens of Moscow are in a bubble. The infrastructure spans thousands of miles, not within the Moscow city limits.
Putin being a dictator is of zero interest to me. The label can be applied to numerous US friends and enemies and its not our role to be the world’s white knight. What is of interest to me is the 130 billion (at least) US dollars that have been squandered in their war with the Nazi sympathizers in Ukraine. I could not care one iota less about Putins position on gun rights.
Ahh, with regards to, “Putin being a dictator is of zero interest to me.” and whether you could not “care one iota less about Putins position on gun rights”…
If I may politely put this bluntly, but the topic of “Putin being a dictator” or “Putin’s position on gun rights” or “Putin’s position on Freedom of Speech” has precisely zero to do with what is “of interest to you” or what you care about … unless you are a citizen of Ukraine or a citizen of Russia.
Are you?
And, given the USA is a signature to the Budapest Memorandum, the USA is obligated to help Ukraine if they are attacked, and the Ukraine has been attacked. FULL STOP.
It’s as simple as that.
And, with regards to the Nazi sympathizers in Ukraine, as a Jew, I am rather sensitive to this topic, and yes, I have heard those stories for 3 years now, but let’s be honest, there are numerous allegations that the Putin Regime itselt is using “Nazi-Like” tactics, not the least of which is the well known kidnapping of over 20,000 Ukraine children by Putin’s regime. And as everyone knows, Melania Trump has called attention to this and politely requested Putin return the 20,000 children.
But let’s be clear….
“Ukrainian authorities have verified that at least 19,456 to 19,546 children have been forcibly deported or abducted by Russia since the full-scale invasion began in 2022. Other estimates suggest the actual number of victims could be much higher, with some independent experts and organizations estimating it may exceed 35,000.”
Okay, great, and how many did Putin return?
Putin returned eight (8) Ukrainian children.
Awesome!
Now what about the other 19,000 to 35,000 Ukrainian children?
And what kind of “Pro-Russian indoctrination” are those children undergoing while they are Putin’s hostages? And whether or not this topic is of “interest to you” or what you believe is true about this topic is precisely irrelevant, because they are not your children.
Can I ask you to compare and contrast Russia and China? Is it alright for the US to curry Deng Shao Ping’s favor and ignore Russian overtures?
The Russia hatred is abiding in their brain, even if they could be proven wrong. They would label or call them enemies of the U.S. it tiresome.
ps The mainstream media pounds Russia hatred day in and day out, with no proof.
“At least 38 to over 50 Russian business tycoons, executives, and officials have died under mysterious or suspicious circumstances since the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine. Many cases involved alleged suicides, including falls from windows or balconies, or sudden deaths due to health issues.”
Those were the people looting Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union. DailyKos is all I needed to hear about where these types of insinuations came from. Maybe we’ll get someone from The Shadow of the Hegemon to pipe in too.
You wrote, “Those were the people looting Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union.”
Forgive me, but your comment is utterly confusing.
These 38+ prominent industry leaders passed away in the past 4 years.
The fall of the Soviet Union occurred in 1991, which was 34 years ago. Are you seriously suggesting that Putin and the FSB waited over 30 years to punish people who were looting in 1992? I am sorry, but that is patently absurd.
With regards to DailyKos. I am probably personally more accutely aware of how totally corrupt and completely fraudulent, pathologically liars, the DailyKos community is. I totally agree. I have continued to read that site daily, for 20 years now, and while I drank their koolaid for 10 years, but the last 10 years I read their posts in order to understand the false narratives of the DNC. “Know thy enemy”
But a broken clock is right 2 times a day. I dismissed their Ukraine posts for 3 years, but over the past 8 months, I have studied THEIR sources. So, DailyKos is not actually my direct source, no. My source is watching about 12 podcasters every day for the past 8 months, mainly from Ukranians and Russians. I have sent SD linkes to about 6 of them. Maybe I should start posting links to their podcasts, and you can make up your own mind whether or not theyr are credible.
Having said that, if you want claim that there HAS NOT been 38+ industry leaders who passed in Russia over the past 4 years, that is totally fine and entirely understandable. I have no way to substantiate the validity of this allegation, so I cannot add anything to convince you they are true. Some of the names can easily be found in seconds with google, but again, I have no way at all to verify if they are true or real. Maybe it is Ukraine propaganda. This is possible.
… and that is part and parcel of the problem: the liars have control of the MSM. It only makes the struggle for truth more difficult, but we still have the internet.
It is believed this hatred comes from the Orthodox Christian Russian people taking their nation back from the Bolsheviks and demolishing their Liberal insane asylum Soviet Union.
Antony Sutton from the Hoover Institute and Maj Racey Jordan a officer in the Roosevelt Marxist Lend Lease program document that huge amount of tech and equipment sent to the Mass murdering Soviets by the traitors in the Roosevelt Admin. The same Roosevelt Admin that denied Jewish people fleeing from Wall St financed National Socialist Germany entry, because they wanted them to go to Palestine instead of Madagascar. A huge part of Pike & Co’s WWII theater that their WWI theater created with Sykes-Picot.
The Petroleum (Spice) in the Middle East is an important part of this Luciferian Chessboard
See: British finger prints are all over the One Worl cabal, i.e. Klaus Schwab and company, as well as Palestine.
Look for the Doc I put up about Pike’s Sykes-Picot creating Palestine for the Masons instead of their plan to go to Madagascar. Its really all about the Petroleum (Spice).
Roosevelt denying Jewish refugees entry to America because he wanted them to go to his pals created Palestine is another big clue.
Deng Shao Ping?
“Deng Xiaoping (1904–1997) was the paramount leader of the People’s Republic of China from 1978 to the early 1990s”
Are you asking me about Deng Xiaoping (1904–1997) ?
Morally, there is no difference between Putin and the leaders of many countries, including our own (current President excepted). So? That doesn’t mean we need to be at war with it. It would have been far, far better for everyone if we had taken a more cooperative position after the end of the cold war rather than expanding NATO and trying to provoke regime change.
I am not going to argue with you about that, because you might be entirely right.
However, given the USA signed the Budapest Memorandum, we are obligated to help Ukraine if they are attacked, and Russia attacked the Ukraine. FULL STOP.
All true. But the sad truth is that most of those offenses now also routinely happen among our NATO allies in Europe:
persecution of faithful Christians (yes, becoming widespread)unlawful arrest and detention of business tycoons (yes, Pavel Durov for one, targeting of Elon Musk)Add to that the widespread de-banking and civil prosecution of perceived threats to the Globalist NWO of people from all levels of society.Top military generals ousted for political reasons (Yes, General Sir Nick Carter, Brigadier Generals André Coustou and Paul Pellizzari. I don’t think any have mysteriously fallen out of tall windows yet, but give it time.)Internet and media censorship and restricted access (yes, very much so including sanctions placed on US companies)Dictatorial behavior (commonplace during and since Covid)
And most of all there is the limitless mass-migration of unassimilated and hostile migrants into most of our major NATO allies.
I totally agree. I am SERIOUSLY no fan of the EU for all the reasons you’ve stated.
And, needless to say, the Democrat Party in this nation, and Biden, was doing similar things, obviously.
But again, “The enemy of your enemy, may also still be your enemy.”
Let me be clear. I don’t hate Putin. All that I am saying is that I just don’t think Putin is our ally. Not even a little.
I think Putin despises USA and despises the USA culture.
Listen, I assumed that Putin liked the USA, but one day I asked a close friend of mine who is from Ukraine, but he was USSR Special Forces, and he loves Putin. He has been here for about 30 years. I told him that I assumed Putin actually liked the USA. He was silent for a moment, he looked down, and then he looked dead in the eye, and he shook his head, no, and then he said, “Putin hates the United States, he hates the United States culture.” I was a little shocked, but the more I thought about it, the more it made sense.
Please note that after EACH TIME Putin met with, or spoke with Trump, about negotiating a peace treaty with Ukraine, what did Putin do? What did Putin do, within hours, EVERY SINGLE TIME?
Putin ordered his military to launch a MASSIVE BOMBING OF KYIV.
EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Why? Ask yourself that. I would say that it was a message… to Trump, and not a nice or polite one. As they say…
Do the math.
Now, I am not saying that we should like Zelensky. I’ve heard all the stories, I assure you. But our feelings about Zelensky are irrelevant. All that matters is what the Ukranians think/ feel about Zelensky. And at this point, I suspect Zelensky has become a hero to the Ukraine people, especially given Zelensky’s repeated bravery to travel within miles of the Front Line, multiple times…. And, did you see the photo of Zelensky in Kupyansk? Talk about mocking Putin. The Ukraine people LOVED that. Zelensky made Putin a laughing stock with that photo.
Does Putin have the courage to visit the Front Line?
Does Putin have the courage to visit Kupyansk?
I haven’t seen any videos or photos of Putin there, and I’ve seen about a dozen of Zelensky. There might have been mixed feelings about Zelensky in the Ukraine before the war, or during the first few years of the war, but in the last two years, Zelensky has demonstrated he is willing to go into the trenches with his troops in the war zone, multiple times, the effect of this on the morale and loyalty of his troops and his people cannot be overstated. If they held an election today, I bet you Zelensky would win 99% of the votes. Easy. I would imagine Zelensky is politicallly untouchable at this stage. Putin has made sure of that, because Putin has ordered the bombing of too much. Too much. WAY TOO MUCH.
Zelensky is standing up to Putin, that is all that matters to them today.
Russia under Putin could be described as a government ruled by gangsters. … That should be a term to describe such a circumstance. … Many Governments around the world seem to be actually ruled by gangsters.
To call such gangster-governments, a >dictatorship doesn’t actually describe how the people are ruled and who within a government and the country benefits.
In our country, Tim Walz rules Minnesota is head of a ‘gangster government’ with the Somalians comparable to the Al Capone mob implementing the criminal activities. … + As a note: Nancy Pelosi is part of a crime family controlling much of Gangsterland California.
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The West thought sanctions would crush them. Instead, Putin trapped them. Now, they are looking for a way out.
Thank you for your replies. But I’m (GGHD) more concerned about the Gangster-Government in the USA. That’s why I wrote about Walz and Pelosi, – as illustrations of how gangsters influence decisions in America:
TheConservativeTreehouse = A Significant Geopolitical Problem for President Trump and UsJuly 10, 2025 | Sundance
“In the mind of President Putin, and in the growing awareness of the American electorate, the President of the United States does not control the Intelligence Community. It is entirely possible for the USIC to take America deeper toward war despite the President and people of America not wanting that to happen. Putin is simply prepared for that outcome.
This reality explains a dynamic where President Trump engages with President Putin in an effort to stop the war in Ukraine, yet President Putin continues the war in Ukraine; because ultimately he knows President Trump does not control the elements that facilitate the Ukraine military.”
People struggle to accept this dynamic. However, I would remind everyone that right now YOU are paying for the entire government of Ukraine to exist. Including the Ukraine govt payrolls, retirement benefits, healthcare and operational budget of Ukraine overall.
Americans do not want to pay for that. President Trump does not want to pay for that. Yet, here we are, paying for that.
The same inertia process applies to the literal Ukraine war and conflict with Russia.
You might not want it. President Trump might not want it. Yet, here again we are providing weapons, intelligence, satellite communication, personnel and systems for the war.
This is the reality of the situation regardless of your/my willingness to accept it. This reality is what President Vladimir Putin discusses and accepts.
The problem for President Trump is not that this reality exists; the bigger political problem for President Trump is that people are increasingly becoming aware of this reality.
Now, many people are recently arguing against this reality. However, these are the same voices who previously stated President Trump could unilaterally declassify information within the same silo process that is designed to control his declassification authority. Empirically, and in reality, these voices are wrong.
Something needs to change. That something is generally that President Trump has to either: 1. admit publicly he does not control the U.S. Intelligence Community (very ugly); or 2. take control of that intelligence community (even uglier).”
Yes, I’ve read “TheConservativeTreehouse = A Significant Geopolitical Problem for President Trump and Us July 10, 2025 | Sundance” when it was first published. While I am new to commenting on CTH, I’ve read pretty much every one of SD’s articles daily for about 10 years now. I am intimately aware of this topic, well, these are really several topics, many topics, and the SILO dynamic, and I could not agree with you more. I share in your (and SD’s) concerns regarding this in the USA, and I could not wish more for all of them to be prosecuted, fully.
My focus herein on Russia is because the topic of this article is Russia/Ukraine.
However, if you wish to change the focus, let me begin by sharing this, which is both laughable and disturbing, or laughably disturbing, or disturbingly laughable:
https://x.com/WallStreetApes/status/2005682606436647362
MSNBC is broadcasting to all of America that the Somalian fraud in Minnesota is made up by Donald Trump
MSNBC is actually saying the FBI and DOJ are lying about the fraud
The mainstream media is organized crime against the United States and should be prosecuted
“The politicization of the DOJ and the FBI is undeniable. So whether they are reliable narrators is the big question, and this is what happens when you weaponize and politicize federal agencies that are not meant to be politicized, and I think the American people are right to ask the question. Well, can we trust you?
— The Somali population in Minnesota — Those people are being scapegoated and that community is being scapegoated in a way that certainly serves the far right.”
With regards to the USIC, this is a rather lengthy and multifacited topic, or a topic of topics, and each of the rabbit holes is deep and unending. And, as is SD, I too have been rather heartened by DNI Tulsi Gabbard’s work. And, all that I can say at this point is… We. Shall. See.
Which leads to the topic of USAG Pam Bondi. I am well aware of SD’s criticisms of her work in FL, and why this leads to SD seeing Bondi as wholly untrustworthy, but in my wishful thinking, I want to believe Bondi has had a change of heart and is striving to do the right thing.
Again… We. Shall. See.
Let me add, though that I do not share in SD’s impatience, and I do not feel SD’s admonishment is accurate, when he says that we should have seen prosecutions sooner, and that what is being done “should be done in the public light”. Honestly, I could not disagree more.
Even in the simplest of cases, the work of the DoJ and the FBI to investigate and prosecute, to acheive a successful conviction, is NON TRIVIAL.. it is time consuming, slow, meticulous, and must be thorough. And in this situation, it is “DRAINING THE SWAMP” …. so “Who knows the full list of perpetrators?” And let’s further add that the perpetrators may well still be part of the teams within the FBI & DOJ working on the invesigation. Amd further, this is NOT going to be prosecuted in the “court of public opinion”… in other words, they cannot release information if it is confidential and part of the prosecution. Which means, again … WE SHALL SEE.
PS
Let me add. Why do so many people in the USA forget that the USA is a signature to the Budapest Memorandum?
And also, thanks to Trump, the USA is no longer spending massive funds on the Ukraine. In fact, thanks to Trump, the USA is making massive money selling military arms to NATA, which is footing the bill, to send it to Ukraine.
Good thing the USSR hasn’t existed since December 25, 1991; 34 years ago.
And, one can easily point to how the USA, since BHO, even before. mirrors the USSR.
Glass houses and stones or something…
IMO well said.
Granny said to worry about sweeping own front porch and not concern self with neighbors porch.
And I would suggest that the Russian Federation is the glass house, today, in this scenario, and the the Russian Federation’s invasion of, and attacks on the Ukraine, is the “throwing of stones” because the Ukraine is has been throwing stones back, at the Russian Federation’s GLASS HOUSE, with daily drone strikes, for years. And the Russian Federation’s GLASS HOUSE infrastructure is shattering…crumbling. Russian Federation’s infrastructure is old, soviet era old, 50 to 70 years, and it has not been well maintained, it is spread out over 17 Million Sq Km which makes it very hard to defend, and it is over taxed due to the war, and the Ukraine has been destroying critical infrastructure and supply chain hubs. Russian Federation’s economy is crashing. Russian Federation has run out of money. Russian Federation has been selling all of its gold reserves. Russian Federation has increased the taxes multiple times. Russian Federation must now start printing more money. Shortages a growing.
General Winter is here.
The general consensus is that the Russian Federation will not last the winter.
I don’t personally know anything about the subject, only what I have been hearing from multiple online sources, so maybe this is wrong, but it doesn’t matter what I think or what you think, because we will all see very very soon.
Every single day, the Ukraine is hitting and more more targets.
We. Shall. See.
But yes, I completely agree with you about BHO and Biden in the USA, and the mirroring of the USSR. It was deeply disturbing to see what BHO did, especially given the fact that I supported BHO. Yeah, I have never felt more betrayed in my life, than I have felt about BHO. But I will say this, BHO was better than HRC, but that is not saying much. But I shudder to imagine what would have happened with HRC as POTUS. BHO was better, but still very bad. But BHO led to the rise of Trump, which feels like it was God’s will. It had to happen this way. Just like maybe we needed Biden, to see how bad the Dems are. Trump 47 is a blessing on so many levels.
I wish Jello was here to see it with me, but I know he is in heaven joyously smiling at me now.
May have something to do with the Bolsheviks who fled from the Orthodox Christian Russians and fled to America & many other Western Nazarene nations to turn them into Liberal insane asylum Soviet Unions.
You seem to be missing the plot. Why do you think you need to push this, when it misses the context of the article.
Seems there are quite a few commenters that have to post a reminder to Patriots commenting on Russia ie “Watch out for boogeyman Russia”?
if anyone mentions one thing Russia did and it was good, numerous come out to remind us to fear.
Every time we have a topic on Russia or the Ukraine the Roger Wicker/Mimsey Graham clones come out with the Bad Putin Boogerman FUD posts.
It never fails.
0.o
They are pathetic also my friend.
Just think if we had world wide peace how many would go broke.
War is good business….invest your son. 🙁
A friend of mine is hugely anti-Russian and is perfectly happy to wage a proxy war in Ukraine. For some reason, he thinks that American boots will never be on the ground there. I 100% disagree and do not want my draft aged sons to be thrown into a meat grinder war that only makes the MIC rich.
We do have lots of naive ,gullible,russophobic,war pigs…etc…in our society so here we are…
Will Geo. W. be called out for this?
Thank you, Sundance!
Wow, Putin doesn’t sound at all like the “Despot Boogeyman” that our media has created. Certainly sounds like he wants the same thing that “Good Americans” want!… PEACE!
Merry Christmas All!
No, I think Putin has been very clear that what he wants is to recreate the USSR. Why do people think Putin wants peace? Putin cannot end this war until he has taken Kyiv, this is what he promised his people, namely, a 3 day “special military operation” and they would take all of Ukraine. And now, with 1.2 Million Russian soldier’s lost, massive looses of their military machine, massive destruction of the Russian Federation’s industrial infrastructure, massive looses in wealth, the only way that Putin will not “lose face” with his people is if he takes all of Ukraine. If Putin ends the war without taking all of Ukraine, Putin will probably not be able to stay in power. His dictatorship will be over.
Putin was elected. And you paint a picture that doesn’t exist in Russia. I know real Russians from Russia- tge Russians don’t hate him like you and the western media want you to believe.
And oh please, respond regarding Putin being elected…and on Russian elections in general. Please do.
You and a few others love throwing stones all while celebrating the sound of breaking glass.
It seems I need to keep reposting (3 times now) what anyone who wants to speak about Russia should know:
There is no opposition permitted in Putin’s Russia, it’s all a farce. Just ask the Russian leaders of industry, oh wait:
“At least 38 to over 50 Russian business tycoons, executives, and officials have died under mysterious or suspicious circumstances since the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine. Many cases involved alleged suicides, including falls from windows or balconies, or sudden deaths due to health issues.”
Yeah, you can’t ask them, because TOO MANY of them died, so I seriously doubt any that have not died would feel safe to tell you the truth.
And 18 Generals are also now gone too, but we don’t know why, because it might have been the Russian FSB, or it might have been the Ukraine HUR, but honestly, it doesn’t matter which, because the fact that it MIGHT HAVE BEEN the FSB, is frightening enough.
And then there is Russia’s restricted access to the internet:
“Russia has not entirely ‘banned the internet,’ but the Kremlin has aggressively accelerated its efforts to isolate the Russian internet (Runet) from the rest of the world, resulting in severe restrictions and widespread disruptions throughout 2025.”
So please don’t tell me that Putin won an election.
So please don’t tell me that Russians love Putin.
And regarding the “throwing stones” and “glass houses” analogy, that applies in spades to Russia attacking Ukraine, because the Russian Federation industrial infrastructure is VERY MUCH LIKE a “glass house” … it’s old, very old, not well maintained AT ALL, it is VERY spread out, which makes it VERY hard to defend, and since it’s defenses are old, they have proven 100% useless to defend against Ukraine’s modern Drone strikes.
Yeah, “glass houses” and Russia’s “glass house” is being shattered.
Russia won’t last the winter.
We heard you the first time – no need to repost and repeat.
You have not provided any documented evidence – only conjecture.
Could it be possible – perhaps that the Ukraine may be assassinating Generals inside of RU?
The tremendous process of coming out of the ashes of USSR and to rebuild a broken nation and a decimated people is herculean. Our US financial elite wanted to destroy RU through hedge funds via RU oligarchs and other rapacious schemes. Putin took back the looted infrastructure from “these” people.
Some people here apparently did not hear me the first time, hence I repeated myself. Sorry.
And yes, you are right. I have not provided the evidence. But there is overwhelming evidence.
There are over a dozen podcasters who have provided literally hundreds of videos of the attacks on a daily basis for almost 4 years. If you took the time to look, you would easily find them. The successful attacks are very well documented. And only attacks that are validated from concrete sources are reported. There are numerous attacks to remote regions that are not easily validated, so they are not reported.
I sent dozens of links to SD over 2 months ago, and several more since. I can easily repost them here.
Are the Ukraine taking out Russian Generals? Yes, I said that this is certainly a possibility, and I would imagine that many of them were done by Ukraine (or by Russian allies of Ukraine within Russia). But are all of them? Or rather, are any of them by the FSB? I don’t know. Do you doubt that the FSB does this? I do know that one Russian General was imprisoned for criticizing Putin’s war with Ukraine. Do you need me to find his name?
Look, I am not here to promote or push anything, I am merely sharing data that is being widely reported online, but this community seems to be living in an echo chamber, completely oblivious to the fact that a completely different set of facts exist outside of this bubble.
(Ironically, the same can be said for liberals with TDS. We cannot close our minds to the possibility that we are not seeing all of the facts, on any issue. If we do, then conservatives are as bad as liberals, no offense, but it’s true.)
I would ask you simply to hear what I am saying and then research for yourself before you dismiss. Is that really too much to ask?
Look, I know this is repeating, but it seems people are not hearing:
I am telling you that I have seen overwhelming evidence that appears 100% accurate that the INDUSTRIAL INFRASTRUCTURE of the Russian Federation is crumbling: it is often 50 to 70 years old, circa early USSR — it is experiencing failures that are indicative of poorly maintained infrastructure — it is now being overtaxed by a war that was only supposed to last 3 days, and it is now 4 years — there appears to be Russian dissidents working within Russia to attack key hubs all over Russia, (ie, many thousands miles from Ukraine) — and to top it off, the Ukraine is surgically dissecting critical supplied chain “single source” hubs.
NOTE: Replacement parts are almost impossible or take a long time via black market, and are very expensive, due to the sanctions. And Ukraine has now hit 4 Russian shadow fleet tankers, so black market sourcing is being cut off, for everything.
Ukraine is hitting Russian targets in: Black Sea, Caspian Sea, Baltic Sea. These are the main logistics hubs for the Russian Federation. Russian assets are no longer safe in these seas. This especially includes the Russia Miliitary ships. Since the USA’s sanctions were not working, Ukraine is now delivering “Kinetic Sanctions” to shut down Russia’s access to world resources. And in today’s warfare, high tech devices and chemicals are needed, especially since many of Russia’s own plants, factories and refineries are being destroyed.
It is a war of attrition, and the Ukraine is striking at Russia’s ability to wage war.
FACT: The Front Line has moved maybe 1% in almost 3 years.
There are massive gas shortages, deisel shortages, and Jet Fuel shortages all over Russia today… because Russia’s refineries and storage tanks are being destroyed, and their “RING” Pipeline has suffered multple attacks at difference junctures, especially the one feeding Moscow. That was 6 weeks ago. Also, the train lines have been hit many times at many locations throughout Russia. Trains and Pipelines are Russia’s main destribution infrastructure. Using roads for transport with trucks are too costly, too slow, and unreliable, especially now that there is a deisel shortage.
And Russia’s infamous “General Winter” is here.
Putin has diverted much of the Russian Federations resources, especially Deisel, to the Front Line.
Let me repeat, the war was only supposed to last 3 days.
Numerous Electric Substations have been hit. Those were made by the EU and USA (not China), so they cannot be easily replaced.
If power goes out, there is no heat, and the pipes freeze and burst if not drained.
Food. Water. Heat. Basic necessities.
What is the population of Russia? How many are in remote regions? It is a logistics nightmare. And apparently, the Industry leaders and the Military leaders who were experts in logistics and who had the Institutional Knowledge, are gone.
It does not look good for Russia. Putin really should have accepted Trump’s peace deal from 4 months.
It is being reported that money is being pulled from Russian Banks.
The Russian economy is not looking good.
Those are the raw stats.
You are welcome to challenge those stats, and by all means, tell me that I am wrong, but I would suggest you all research them to see if what I am seeing is accurate before dismissing. I have been studying this for 8 months. I would not be sharing this if there was not overwhelming evidence from dozens of sources.
And I have not been a fan of Zelensky, no. I have heard bad things about him. But I don’t have any reliable source of what is true and what is not true about him. Yes, I have seen the videos of him as a performer. He appeared to be a joke. A farce. An actor. A puppet of the EU / Globalists. And, I would bet that this is true, he probably is a puppet of the EU / Globalists. And I am NO FAN of the EU/ Globalists.
But I don’t think Putin is our friend.
I am going to say this for maybe the 10th time, because I don’t think it is being heard:
“The enemy of your enemy, may also be your enemy.”
Thank You.
Enlighten us what we ought do re Ukraine and Russia?
What should “we” do with the Ukraine?
Who is the “we”? The USA?
Well, the Budapest Memorandum requires the USA to defend the Ukraine from invasion. I know, the claims about the 2014 election, and claims about Zelensky, and claims about Nazi’s in Ukraine, and claims about Russians in the Ukraine welcoming Putin…. except the Russians in the Ukraine haven’t done that in the past 4 years of this war, in fact, there are Russians in Russia who are not fans of Putin, hence the underground dissident movement in Russia that is working with Ukraine to destroy the Russian Industrial infrastructure.
The EU has committed to a loan of $90B, which will cover Ukraine for 18 months, possible 3 years, and with the help of the USA’s intel, I don’t think Russia will last much longer, since there is now no light at the end of their tunnel. The Russian economy is crashing. The Russian infrastructing is crumbling. The Russian military is being dismantled… and the Russian military is being decimated on the battlefield. 11,000 Tanks have been destroyed so far, each with $500 drones!
40% of Russia Oil Refineries are offline.
Fuel storage is being destroyed.
Russis is running out of Gas.
Russis is running out of Deisel.
Russis is running out of Jet Fuel.
25% of their Electric Grid is offline.
So, “we” (the USA) doesn’t need to do anything, Ukraine is demilitarizing the Russian Federation as we speak. The numbers don’t lie.
You claimed earlier that you read here every day. Apparently your comprehension is lacking since everything you are claiming about Russia is not reflected in Sundance’s experience there and his reporting.
I know, which is why I eventually was inclined to write SD directly and share the info that I’ve been seeing.
(I also wanted to tell SD about my friend Jello passing.)
Please see my post above regarding this.
Counting upon your “friendship” to gain entry of sympathy.
Perhaps your musing and condolences should have been in a personal email to SD.
Bingo.
And why pray tell is Ukraine so precious to you?
Putin has no intention of taking Kyiv. I’m not sure where you’re getting your information, but I suggest that perhaps you do a bit of research into what you apparently don’t believe. There h as been no ‘massive destruction’ of Russia’s industrial infrastructure…..and the numbers of Russian losses that you advise of comes directly from Ukrainian propaganda.
You wrote, “Putin has no intention of taking Kyiv.”
Ahh, respectfully, you are obviously completely ignorant of what occurred during the first three days of Russia’s (so called) “3-Day Special Military Operation” to invade the Ukraine. Apparently, Putin promised his people that they would be able to take the entirety of Ukraine in 3 days. Putin thought that if he could sieze control of Kyiv in the first 3 days, then the rest of the Ukraine would fall overnight.
NEWSFLASH: Putin failed!
(After reading all of this, please consider the possibility that maybe, just maybe, you really are not aware of Putin’s true agenda.)
“3-Day Special Military Operation”
The “3-Day Special Military Operation” refers to a widely reported, expected timeline for the initial Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. Western and Ukrainian intelligence believed Russia anticipated a swift, blitzkrieg-style conquest of Kyiv, intended to remove the Ukrainian government within a few days.
Propaganda: The narrative was reinforced by statements from Russian state media figures (e.g., Margarita Simonyan of RT) and allies like Belarusian President Aleksandr Lukashenko, who suggested the war would last a maximum of 3–4 days.Military Preparation: Evidence supporting this expectation included captured documents from Russian tanks detailing a 10-day timeline, along with the discovery of parade uniforms and flags in captured vehicles, suggesting plans for a victory parade.Premature Media: Russian state news agency RIA Novosti accidentally published a pre-written article on February 27, 2022, titled “Russia’s Coming and the New World,” which celebrated the swift victory and the supposed return of Ukraine to Russia.RECOUNT OF THE FIRST 3 DAYS:
Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022, initiating rapid advances toward Kyiv from the north, east, and south with hopes for a swift victory. Within three days, heavy fighting occurred, 198 civilians were reported dead, and a massive refugee crisis began amid intense resistance.
Key events during the first three days (February 24–26, 2022):
Day 1 (Feb 24): Russian President Vladimir Putin announced a “special military operation,” with strikes targeting Ukrainian command and control infrastructure across the country. Ground troops entered from Belarus, Russia, and Crimea, heading toward cities like Kyiv, Kharkiv, and Kherson. Ukraine declared martial law, broke diplomatic ties with Russia, and initiated mobilization.Day 2 (Feb 25): Russian forces reached the outskirts of Kyiv, initiating the battle for the capital. The United Nations reported over 50,000 people had already fled. Despite initial bombardment, Ukrainian air defenses were not fully destroyed, and resistance was stronger than expected.Day 3 (Feb 26): A 65km-long Russian convoy was observed moving toward Kyiv. The Ukrainian health minister reported 198 civilian deaths, including three children. The US signed a memorandum for up to $600$ million in immediate military assistance. EU nations began banning Russian aircraft from their airspace. The initial phase was marked by a swift push toward major cities, but Russian forces met with unexpected stiff resistance and logistical hurdles.
NOW LET’S LOOK DEEPER: The Hostomel Airport Objective
During the first 3 days of the 2022 Russian invasion, Russia aimed to seize Kyiv, with Hostomel (Antonov) Airport as a critical objective for airlifting troops to topple the government. Despite seizing the airport by Feb 25, fierce Ukrainian resistance delayed the offensive, contributing to the failure of the rapid “3-day” plan.
Key details regarding the initial phase of the war:
The Goal: The primary objective was to capture Kyiv within 3–4 days.Hostomel Airport (Antonov): Russian airborne forces launched a major assault on this airfield, located 12 miles from Kyiv, on February 24.Resistance: While Russian forces captured the airfield on February 25, Ukrainian National Guard and artillery units managed to damage the runway and disrupt operations, preventing it from being used as a reliable airbridge.Strategic Failure: The inability to quickly secure this logistics hub and the subsequent failure to take the capital was a turning point in the initial battle.Other Targets: Attacks also occurred at Boryspil International Airport and Vasylkiv Air Base south of Kyiv. By the end of the third day (February 26-27), the blitzkrieg strategy had largely stalled due to logistical failures and heavy resistance.
1.2 million? Bs. So says the uke regime. Russia doesn’t want western Ukraine. Why would they want that turf? They lost at least 27 million people in WW2 so they are a bit touchy about borders and invasions .
“Russia doesn’t want western Ukraine.”
Russia wants ALL of the Ukraine. Please see my lengthy comment above, but in short…
You are ignorant of what occurred during the first three days of Russia’s “3-Day Special Military Operation” to invade the Ukraine. Putin promised his people that they would be able to take the entirety of Ukraine in 3 days. Putin thought that if he could sieze control of Kyiv in the first 3 days, then the rest of the Ukraine would fall overnight.
The “3-Day Special Military Operation” refers to a widely reported, expected timeline for the initial Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. Russia anticipated a swift, blitzkrieg-style conquest of Kyiv, intended to remove the Ukrainian government within a few days.
Completely disagree. His “people” do not like the people of western Ukraine but have family and history with the region in Eastern Ukraine. Why would he want to set up a scenario where western Ukraine would be constantly waging guerilla war against Russia? The unforgettable NAZI factor is still a part of western Ukraine and the Russians want NOTHING to do with that.
And I have to say that by Europe forming the EU and wanting to add more and more countries to their socialist globalist anti free speech control, they are more in line with “recreating” the USSR.
I completely agree with you about the EU, and their Socialist Globalist anti free speech conrol. 100% Agreement. But, “The enemy of your enemy, may still ALSO be your enemy.” Just because the EU is bad, does not mean that Putin is not also bad.
There is a pervasive dissident movement of Russians in the Russian Federation who are working with the Ukraine HUR to destroy critical Russian military targets that are in far reaching regions of Russia, thousands of miles from the front line. (I forget their name, but their tag line is “We are Mothers, Engineers, and Soldiers”). Yeah, apparently, too many Rusian mothers have lost their sons to this war. These are Russians who know Russia intimately. Trains. Pipelines. Fuel storage. Electronics Factories. Ports…. SUPPLY CHAINS… etc.
You cannot seriously expect to hear ANYONE openly criticize Putin when there are so many prominant Russians who have disappeared.
LET ME REPEAT:
“At least 38 to over 50 Russian business tycoons, executives, and officials have died under mysterious or suspicious circumstances since the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine. Many cases involved alleged suicides, including falls from windows or balconies, or sudden deaths due to health issues.”
The Russian people are not stupid. They know when to be silent. They know when to lie. They know when to hide their true feelings. So please don’t try to tell me that they “love Putin”.
Putin wants peace and the US MIC and NATO need a bogeyman in order to justify their existence.
You forget that Putin had agreed to withdraw all Russian troops from Ukraine in early April 2022 in exchange for no NATO and it was Biden and Boris Johnson who sabotaged the agreement along with Zelensky. A million militiary deaths would have been avoided and $500 billion saved!
38 to 50????? Rather a wide net of so far, unknown, unnamed, people.
Who said they were unnamed? Who said they were unknown?
I did not post their names, because they are WIDELY known.
Did you miss the part about them being PROMINANT Industry Leaders? Here is a partial list from doing a 2 second google search.
Energy Sector Executives
Shipping, Logistics, and Others
Military/Political Industrial Figures
Got held up because of all the links. (Our spam filter thinks you are spam.)
The US Embassy and NSAID and CIA have been in RU for years working their state craft.
That’s CIA Boilerplate.
Putin didn’t want this war. We did. So we manipulated and provoked it into existence.
Pssssst, hey Ukraine, wanna join NATO?
Joe Biden
Ukrainians kept voting for peace with Russia, so we kept overthrowing and $ubverting their leaders until we got compliance from Z-Bag for a Cannon Fodder Genocide.
Indeed, PDT was overthrown here because he alone stood in the way of our Evil Empire’s Death Cult Fetish.
“Pssssst, hey Ukraine, wanna join NATO?”
-Joe Biden’s puppeteers
1000%
I am not hearing your “facts”, FriendofK, from my contacts inside Russia. One, a lawyer friend who teaches law at Moscow University, claims the purported ratio of losses as 8:1. For every Russian soldier killed by Ukraine, 8 Ukranians are killed.
BTW, my friend’s son is a Captain fighting with the Russian military in Donetsk.
Yes 8:1. A study of cemeteries and obituaries of both countries corroborates that ratio. Even the 10:1 artillery ratio during the WWI attrition phase of 2022 to 2024 corresponds with this.
But there is no advantage for Russia to dispel the millions lost trope, so there it will sit for another 5-10 years.
So, are you saying that the news that they emptied their prisons and gave pardons to inmates if they fought at the front line?
If Russia wants to suppress bad news, do you really believe they are going to be reporting the actual numbers?
And all the while….
“Russia is significantly expanding and modernizing crematorium facilities, most notably in St. Petersburg, to create Europe’s largest complex, aiming for 240 cremations daily with new Czech-made furnaces. This, along with expanding cemeteries like the ‘Pantheon of the Defenders of the Motherland’ near Moscow platformraam.nl, is driven by high battlefield losses and rising death rates.”
You can insist the numbers that Ukraine is posting is a “trope”…. but you cannot hide the fact that Russia has only taken 1% territory over the past 1000 days. THAT IS FACT. How do you explain that fact?
Yes. And I have a close friend of 20 years who is a former USSR Special Forces, from Ukraine, and he is 100% PRO Putin, rather passionately PRO Putin, and he insists to me that the ratio is 25-to-1 … 25 UKR to 1 RUS.
Except, none of the data supports this. And the UKR is providing DAILY/HOURLY updates, with satalite data, video feeds uploaded, corroborated by multiple sources.
Do you understand that the Russian military is lying to Putin, because anyone who gives Putin bad news about the “WAR” (sorry, “3-Day Special Military Operation”) will be removed?
“Shoot the Messenger!”
Do you understand the effect on the people of Russia if they keep getting bad news about the Ukraine War?”
Do you understand that they are not even allowed to report that a Ukraine Drone “hit” a target? NOPE! It’s always:
“The Russian Military has successful shot a Ukraine Drone out of the sky, but the ‘FALLING DEBRIS’ has destroyed ….”
So now the running joke in Russia is “There was more ‘FALLING DEBRIS’ last night!”
And then everyone chuckles.
It’s all a lie.
Everything Putin says is a lie, but it’s not clear if Putin even knows if it is a lie, because NO ONE wants to tell him BAD NEWS.
How about you ask your friend’s son who controls Kupyansk?
There is a picture and video of Zelensky at Kupyansk days after Putin’s Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov claimed to have taken the entire Kupyansk region. I am not sure if this is confirmed, but I have heard that Gerasimov has not been seen since Zelensky posted his photo/ video in Kupyansk.
Please be aware that might not be safe for him to answer truthfully.
How about you ask your friend’s son how many Russian soldiers have been eliminated in the war?
Answer = 1.2 Million.
Ukraine is killing 1,000+ Russian soldiers a day, every day, for over 2 years.
How many Ukraine soldiers ?
So, are they suggesting that over 6-7 Million Ukraine soldiers have been killed? I am sorry, but this is laughable at face value, because the entire Ukraine military is 800,000. How could Ukraine military possibly be stopping the Russian military from taking only 1% territory over the past 1000 days if they were losing 8-to-1 troops? It is obviously a lie.
How about you ask about the other stats:
11,000+ Russian Tanks
23,000+ Russian Armored Combat Vehicles
35,000+ Artillery Systems
1,500+ Russian MLRS
12,00+ Russian Air Defense Systems
400+ Russian Aircraft
340+ Russian Helicopters
94,000+ Russian Operational Tactical UAVs
4,100+ Russian Cruise Missiles
28 Russian Ships
71,000+ Russian Fuel Tanks
4,000+ Russian Special Equipment
2 Russian Submarines.
The Devil’s in the Details, and Ukraine is giving detailed daily/hourly data, which you cannot make up, but the Russians are giving ZERO daily or hourly data. Hell, they are not even giving MONTHLY data. The Russia military are only making anecdotal claims, which are always proving to be lies. Russia takes a town, puts up a flag, within 24 hours Ukraine retakes the town and eliminates all of the Russia soldiers. I heard the current ratio is 10-to-1 (RUS to UKR) soldiers. This ratio is plausible given the rest of the stats.
I’m a data guy, so I always focus on the numbers.
If you care about the data post the Ukraine numbers for us to compare? A one sided story is not much of a story.
What are you talking about? I just posted the numbers?
Please stop and REREAD my post that you are responding to, because there are about a dozen NUMBERS in my comment.
Read your post twice so no need to patrinize, first, while you are quite likely right about the truth coming outof Russia, the sane can be said about anything coming out of The Ukraine (I know you get that).
Second,, thanks for the impresive data but shouldn’t you include attribution? And if you want your data respected shouldn’t you give an idea how your data is verified?
Fact: Ukrainian Army losses at 8 to 1 versus Russia.
Proof: Massachusetts Air National Guardsmen Teixeira pleaded guilty last year to leaking Top Secret Classified documents from the CIA and DIA that revealed Ukrainian Army losses at 8 to 1 versus Russia was sentenced to 16 years in federal prison.
If the leaked documents were bogus there would not have been a case against him!
Are you telling me that you are trusting a conviction by the Biden Administration?
Sorry, but I don’t trust ANYTHING done by the Biden Administration, least of all, their convictions.
And the conviction could be for OTHER information in that “top secret document” …. and further, even if there is intel on a “top secret document” that is incorrect, this does not magically make the document not “top secret document” and thus “not illegal” for leaking.
But, let’s take a step back, because if the ratio really is 8-to-1 : UKR-RUS, then how is it humanly possible that Russia has only taken 1% territory over the past 1000+ days…. that’s 32+ months … that’s 2.7+ years…. AND COUNTING.
I think it’s actually 1100 days now, and counting.
There is no way that Ukraine could be sustaining an 8 to 1 ratio of loses and still hold the line and prevent Russia from taking more territory. In other words, just look at the BIG PICTURE.
Putin Derangement Syndrome from an ex cold warrior. Are you still on the MIC payroll?
“I think Putin”, really you are starting with that? If you can’t find proof, “I think” doesn’t help to persuade
Do you seriously doubt that Putin’s goal is to remake the USSR?
What do you think will happen to Putin’s regime, if he does not succeed in taking Kyiv?
Putin will lose face.
This war has cost Russia dearly, and if it ends without a massive victory, (ie, Russia taking Kyiv), then Putin will be a disgrace. The Russian Federation’s infrastructure is crumbling…. because it is very old and not well maintained, and because it is now being overtaxed by the war, and because the Ukraine is striking critical supply chain infrastructure.
General Winter is here.
Russia will not last the winter.
Are you aware of the fact that their original 3 day attack “special military operation” involved a full scale attempt to take Kyiv? This attempt failed.
“Do you seriously doubt that Putin’s goal is to remake the USSR?”
Thanks for the laugh.
Thank you.
Such pictures should be worth a million words, but too many Americans seem to still be buying the fried ice cream.
Cheers Ma. Ty for the support!
Best to you, too, and thanks for the solid info.
You’re always one of our heavy hitters, imo.
Russia is losing millions of troops and can’t fight their way out of a paper bag
Or
Russia has plans and the ability to invade the entirety of Ukraine as well as the Baltic states, Georgia and a bunch of Stans .
Which one is it?
The guy’s a clown.
Full DailyKos mode going on here.
If what you say is true, maybe Putin is capable, late in life, of considerable change….as the offer of a benevolent hand can have profound effects on people….as evidenced by the Jello memories you kindly shared.
Have you heard Trump read the poem called “The Snake” ???
Sorry to say this on Christmas Day.. ..but you FriendofK… sound like many neocons/warpigs/globalists/anti MAGA reps …with guys like you there for sure never will be peace with Russia…btw..where you get 1.2 millions Russians deaths…from Kellogg ??..someone some3-4 months ago hack to ukr. def.dept. and publish 1.7+ millions UKR. KIA….there been ratio 1:10-1:8 Russians KIA…..
FriendofNaziNATO is more like it friend sejmon.
Think back to SD, visiting Russia, to see first hand how the Russians live, worship, shop, and go about day to day life.
The summary of those trips left me with the impression that the Russian people live very similar to the way we do, yet Russia is a culture half way around the world and it is not for us to FORCE our way of life upon them or any other country.
This.
Yes, and I have exchanged emails with SD about this exact thing.
I wrote him to tell him about Jello. But I felt inclined to also share the UKR-RUS info that I had been studying for 6 months. SD was understandably skeptical, and he asked me how I could reconcile what he experienced first hand in Russia, with my understanding from the info shared online?
My response is that Moscow is a bubble, and the attacks on infrastructure span across many thousands of miles, often to obscure locations. You wouldn’t see it in Moscow, at least not until the lights went out. And actually, there was a blackout in Moscow 6 weeks ago, and they were able to turn the electric grid back on by redirecting their redundent military grid. This may sound impressive, but this now means that if Ukraine takes out the military GRID, then BOTH Moscow AND are out of power.
Ukraine is hitting Russia and Russian assets daily, for 4 years, and over the past 12 months, Trump gave Zelensky permission to hit RUS energy infrastructure, and also to hit Russian Shadow fleet tankers.
Trump did this, NOT Biden.
But this means that there is an impending power grid failure. I worked in energy for 15 years, supply chain, etc.. Russia is very vulnerable. Each strike to a substation, destabilizes the grid further. Do you know how many substations the UKR has hit in RUS? I don’t, but I do know that on certain days, 6 weeks ago, it was reported that they hit 22 substations in one day, on another day they hit 7 substations. They are not reporting everything.
Moscow is the Jewel of Russia. Then there is Saint Petersburg.
And then there is everything else.
Moscow is heavily protected.
But ALL of Moscow’s air protection has proven OBSOLETE against Ukraine Drones.
According to reports, UKR is not targeting civilian locations. UKR is only hits military targets. Do I know this is true? No, of course not. But these are detailed reports of exact targets often with video footage. I do find these reports trustworthy, but yes, I could be wrong. But the extensive detail and sheer magnitude of accounts, does provide some credibility.
Zelensky has said that since Putin has been hitting Kyiv’s power, causing blackouts in Kyiv, in response Zelensly has promised to do the same to Moscow. Unfortunately, unlike Kyiv, Moscow is not prepared for a massive blackout.
And the Gas, Diesel, and Jet Fuel in RUS supply has now been crippled… in a nation that is supposed to be akin to virtual gas station. There are gas lines all over Russia. I’ve seen over 25 or 30 videos from people driving by the gas lines from all over. Eventually the shortages will hit Moscow, if they haven’t already. This is news that I believe is being censored as much as possible.
Russia First is very similar to US First. This is why Putin and Trump can talk as equals to try and find common ground even in the face of Russia’s incursion into Ukraine.
Fascinating stuff. Thanks for sharing.
And Merry Christmas!
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Would like to see a side by side with Trumps conversations. Would be such a joy to analyze the differences, there will never be another Trump in our lifetime…bush was such “all talk, no action”, they’re all were until Trump…even Reagan. Reagan didn’t have nearly the deep state Trump is confronted with, so different. Profound.
The Bush family IS the deep state, starting with “Pappy”, the former CIA head. Empty suit son (W) was never going to buck the folks who got him installed, starting in Texas.
absolutely ! Daddy joined up with a CIA ex to start Apache Oil.
My Dad said he was an ex used car salesman. That was before AC in Houston
Goes back to grandpappy Prescott Bush.
Alleged distant cousin Vannevar Bush was involved with the Manhattan Project.
Put a picture of Vannevar Bush side-by-side with GHW Bush and note any family resemblance.
Prescott Bush was a Nazi collaborator and supporter.
Never forget how the Bush family has been a multi generational problem that has attempted to pick apart our constitutional rights. Never have they been part of a solution.
Remember “NO NEW TAXES”, and “WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION”, all lies!
Sidebar: never forget the “we stand with Ukraine” campaign and how heavy and effective that was on the mindless pansies that is the left today. Insane to consider how easy they played the leftists, just off the ship of the Covid hoax, these mindless do gooders leaped with great joy to the Ukraine hoax.
Thanks for nothing, Ms. Lindsie, you POS War Pig!
Key Quotes & Themes:
“I will continue to stand with and for Ukraine’s freedom until every Russian soldier is expelled from Ukrainian territory.” – A direct statement of his unwavering commitment, per PBS.
“The best money we’ve ever spent.” – Referring to US military aid, highlighting its effectiveness in halting Russia’s advance, noted by BBC.
“This is a great deal for America.” – Framing the support as a strategic investment in global stability and US interests, according to YouTube.
“Putin’s misadventure in Ukraine will be a nightmare for the future of Russia… It is in our national security interest to stand up for freedom for the Ukrainian people and send a signal to other bad actors like Iran and China…” – Explaining the broader geopolitical importance, from his official website Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC).
Thank you. However, I do recall Lyndsey saying, “The best money we ever spent killing Russians.”
Always thought that was sick.
… or as they say in Dallas, ” All hat and no cattle.”
We used to say “All hat and no horse”?
“All that meat and no potatoes.”
“Perhaps, just perhaps, this release can change the conversation in the United States. Perhaps, just perhaps, President Trump, Secretary Rubio and Emissary Witkoff can reverse the course and change the arc of history toward peace and a strategic alliance.”
Peace , at some point, certainly a possibility, but a strategic alliance would have to be directed against one or more other countries. I never heard of an actual strategic alliance that was directed against nothing and no one. If, hypothetically, the USA and Russia formed a strategic alliance, just what counties would it be directed against?
A strategic alliance against China would be my choice but I can’t see Russia / Putin doing that. Some small number of Americans may want a strategic alliance between the USA and Russia directed against Europe but that’s even more unlikely.
understood.
you make some good points.
but honestly tho, who cares if NATO’s mission statement changes to defense from space aliens?
NATO’s time has come and gone.
if Z remains recalcitrant, and insists on Nato membership for Uke,
the US. could agree – on condition that Russia join NATO as well.
if everybody’s in, gonna be hard to keep up the grift.
Historically there is no love lost between Russia and China. Had someone other than the ex-Director of the CIA been VP during the 80’s and followed Regan into the White House (say a Jack Kemp) the world might be a lot different place today. Bush the elder was the wrong person at the wrong place at the wrong time. It has taken me 40 years to figure it out but it is now obvious why he was chosen for President Reagan’s running mate. Thank you Deep Swamp CIA!
As for an alliance between Russia and the US makes since to me. We don’t have to accept their politics and they ours. Some folks love liberty, free speech and their own self protection (firearms). Some folks like to be taken care of even if it means being told what to say and what to think. Just look around plenty of examples here at home (and they vote).
It is stunning that that these records were released, and not “classified”. Shouldn’t they be ‘classified’ as perhaps actually affecting national security? (maybe for the better…)
Were the records released to adversely affect russia’s relationship with Iran and North Korea? To effect Ukranian ‘fragmentation’? To humanize and soften Russia’s and Putin’s perception in the US public view?
Takeaways from the memos:
1. Putin has always sincerely wanted to be an equal, sovereign ally of NATO, Europe and the United States.
2. NATO, Europe and the United States always opposed Putin in that regard because agreement would blow up their “business model” of global grift and graft.
3. Corrupt Ukraine was being used as a pawn by the grifters decades ago to keep Putin/Russia as an “enemy,” even it was clear to Putin that we were natural allies.
4. Crooked George W Bush and Crooked Dick Cheney were always eager participants in the grift. They should be held in contempt by all decent people.
5. President Trump’s Great Quest to end the Ukraine fraud and make Russia an ally will, if successful, reorder world geopolitics and change the history of the world.
Pray continually for success.
The idea that 1954 USSR could join NATO is ridiculous, and if you can’t understand why that is, then you need to read some Solzhenitsyn. Not the idea that the USSR would propose it, but that it could have been taken seriously…
I am quite prepared to accept as true or possible a lot of things that I would not have considered some years ago, but Russia today is not the USSR, and I think that to conflate the two is more than just mistaken.
Nikita Khrushchev was First Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union from 1953 to 1964 and had consolidated his power by 1954, effectively becoming the country’s top leader.
And it was a fist banging Nikita Khrushchev who said “We will bury you!”
So, yes, it would be a ‘little hard’ to imagine the USSR joining NATO.
Nikita Khrushchev was Ukranian.
Bada boom bada bing!
The 1953 Congressional Captive Nations resolution, which led to Captive Nations Week, listed 16 captive nations – captive/enslaved by the USSR (Russia)
Joann, above writes well about NOT conflating the USSR and Russia, and you did just that. If anything, Europe forming the EU and now trying to exert socialist communist total control, is more akin to the USSR than is modern day Russia. I would describe the current EU as the Soft Soviet Union.
British Orwell’s Big Brother had a cousin in the USSR. The Euro Big Brother is still at it.
The actual context of that quote is important, but rarely remembered. It was made in 1956 at an embassy in Moscow at a send-off for the Polish ambassador where western diplomats were present. It wasn’t recorded. There are several versions written down later by those diplomats.
One version is: “About the capitalist states, it doesn’t depend on you whether or not we exist. If you don’t like us, don’t accept our invitations, and don’t invite us to come to see you. Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!”
Khrushchev was basically saying to those western diplomats that the West’s attempts to overthrow the USSR would be unsuccessful and instead the USSR would outlast all of them instead.
It’s 2025; as I mentioned earlier, USSR dissolved in 1991…its 2025.
Two different countries and two different time periods.
Again, stones in glass houses…no American is in any position, if being honest, can point fingers at Russia and say, they bad, we good. I would say….we have been worse over the last 20 years.
Amen….and likely because we have started PAYING ATTENTION and also maybe a bit due to partial recovery from some Stockholm Syndrome ….
There was indeed a period of time known as “The Khrushchev Thaw” after Stalin’s 1953 death when it might have been possible to mend relationships with the USSR. Khrushchev denounced Stalin’s “excesses” and showed remarkable openness. But that window closed when West Germany was brought into NATO in 1955. The Soviets responded by creating the Warsaw Pact. Then came the attempts at anti-Soviet revolution (helped by the CIA and MI6) in Hungary, Poland and then Czechoslovakia, all of which were put down by the Soviets.
Ye Gads! We need to remember why NATO was formed in the first place; namely, to be bulwark against the USSR.
No, it was to be a bulwark against communism. Russia hasn’t been communist for almost 35 years. Because they have an authoritarian system today, which most of their people are apparently okay with, even if not completely thrilled, doesn’t make them communist today.
It’s not our business to tell other countries what kind of governments they should have. That’s the Bush Doctrine. Our interest is in forming relationships with other governments that further the national security interests of the USA. And that doesn’t include insisting that Russia become a clone of the EU or of America.
George W. Bush was and is a real disappointment. As the only living Republican ex-President, he has never supported anything that President Trump has done for this country. He never got over Jeb! His Never-Trump silence indicates how much he hates the MAGA movement. It is politics before country. He cannot come to terms with the fact that his Presidency was mostly a failure.
He knows!
How does a used Plumber’s truck from Bush’s Texas end up with Obama’s ISIS terrorists created for the Clean Break plan?
re; “How does …”
Whatever you are implying, THIS has been covered before. Damnit.
“Whatever you are implying, THIS has been covered before” That makes zero sense “Jim”
Clean Break has been ‘covered’?
Here is Op Mockingbird telling us Ukraine is winning. Enjoy Spew. “UKRAINE WILL WIN” | No Amount of Propaganda Can Hide the Fact that Ukraine is Winning this War
He was terrible. I regret voting for him in 2000. I didn’t come in 2004 since had already gone full war pig.
Anachronistic Fallacy all over the place today …
Weapons 4 Ukraine (& Military Industrial Complex)
“Denying” the Srebrenica Genocide Because It’s Not True: an Interview with Diana Johnstone
https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/07/16/denying-the-srebrenica-genocide-because-its-not-true-an-interview-with-diana-johnstone/
“Why were Serbians a US target? And why were Bosnian Muslims favored?
underbelly of the Russian Empire is Muslim and that they can be used against Orthodox Christians – that’s a long term US strategy going back to Brzezinski’s role in the 1970s.******
*****DJ: Well, for one thing, the Clinton Administration and subsequent administrations have had a policy of allying with Muslims all around the world. Partly in a long term anti-Russian strategy which goes back to Zbigniew Brzezinski’s policy of supporting Mujahadeen in Afghanistan. The notion that the soft
AG: In the Carter Administration?
DJ: Yes, and so Serbia was seen as a potential Russian ally in the region, as the Serbs are Orthodox Christians, and so that was the reason it was targeted. The story was that Orthodox Christians are the bad guys and the Muslims are the good guys. And that’s been a constant US strategy for the last several decades.
AG: So, you’re saying that the USA is not constantly fighting evil Muslims all over the world?
DJ: No, it’s fighting the less evil ones. It’s been fighting the ones who are more secular. It was fighting the less fanatic. In Bosnia, the US supported Izetbegovic who was the most Islamist politician among Muslims there, who had written a declaration saying a country with a Muslim majority should be ruled by Islamic law. It was fighting Gaddafi, whose main enemy was the extreme Muslims, and it got rid of Gaddafi, and now they’re taking over Libya. It attacked Saddam Hussein, who had a secular society, who was hated by the Islamic extremists. And now they’re taking over Iraq. And the United States has been against Assad’s regime in Syria. They have targeted precisely the Muslim regimes which were not religiously fanatic. So of course Islam is divided, so the United States has been killing Muslims, but they have been favoring the most extremist.”
We can thank Boogeystew for alerting Sundance to this on today’s PP.
I repeat myself.
USSR was evil. Including in 1954.
NATO was formed to protect against its evils.
1949 blockade Berlin
1956 brutally crush Hungarian revolution
1961 Berlin Wall
1962 Cuban Missile Crisis
1968 brutally crush Czechoslovakian revolution.
There was no honest attempt to be part of the west in 1954.
I like to think Putin’s request in 2001 was real. That NATO is now the evil.
But if he wants to do what the USSR wanted to do in 1954, the request was another deception.
This Islander guy ignores all that to infer NATO was evil from the inception. And Russia as pure as the driven snow, even the USSR. PROPAGANDA!!!
With that garbage being pushed, they will turn me from being sympathetic to Russia and angry at NATO to hoisting the Lindsey Graham warmongers up as bold leaders doing what is best for the world. What a creepy thought.
USSR was evil incarnate. NATO started to protect. That will always be true.
Evil USSR fell and is no more. NATO lost its way. That is also true.
Can’t solve today’s problems with falsehoods about the past.
And you can’t paint the present with colors of past and say it’s the same.
WOW!!!!
Incredible background. I wonder if Tulsi had anything to do with releasing these memos?
You quote Corbyn, the unhappy British leftist? What kind of political animal are you?
Shoot the messenger but do not shoot the message. At least we know its not about Nazi NATO. Here is the Council On Foreign Relations managed CIA run Operation Mockingbird media telling us so. Cheers “Jim”
“Not About Nato” | “Never About NATO” | “Nothing to Do With NATO” | UKRAINE WAR
The left has radically evolved since 1990.
What kind are you?
The Big Z should read this.
Could this have anything to do with why Russia has not been allowed NATO membership?
First thing they must do is get Z out of that photo and out of any participation with the big boys – U.S. and Russia.
So often its been said that if anyone can do it, it will be President Trump. So say we all.
In 1954 Winston Churchill was prime minister of the UK. His 1946 Iron Curtain speech in Fulton, Missouri got the present war rolling. The Churchillian version of history might need retouching if we end in WW III.
Texan here …
I do not trust the “Bushes”.
I do not trust Cornyn.
The primary field for Texas senator is loaded with 13 people.
Ken Paxton is our choice.
Hope Paxton can win out–WTF do so many Republicans have to decide to run against Cornyn? Do Dems vote in Texas primaries? I could see Dems pulling together and getting Cornyn the win like they do with the Alaska c@nt.
It sounds like dems running as republicans to crowd the field and dilute the vote.
Mr.Paxton deserve support all friends of MAGA movement. Sent donation to: KEN PAXTON FOR SENATE, PO BOX 6549,HOUSTON ,TX 77265-6549…to keep Texas MAGA.!!!!!!
Noting my age of 80 & change, while it is my view that the two Countries in the end, would be better together, than the odd man out, the Chinese.
As my both agreement in some and rebuttal in “trust but verify” I post this for all of you here that, like me would like a better world, in all things. in posting this I have a copy of the ” Pamphlet”: Program of the Communist International – adopted at the 46th sess. of the Communist International, 1 September 1928: This printed by the: Workers Library Publishers – The second book noted here, and written by Jeri Lynn Ball is: “Masters of Seduction”: A condensed version is online, and the revelation inclosed in this condensed version are most important to grasping the long term Political deception operation in action to this day. The two objectives need be reconciled, and the closed verse open Administration operations are disheartening for resolution. Be blessed all, and into another year of opportunities for societal redress.
Pooty Poot
Maybe Putin changed after learning Bush’s appellation for him.
“…the opposition to peace is extreme.”
And it’s all about money, power, and control — for only a self-selected, small group of individuals. Not one ounce of it is about the betterment of relationships among men, or about the advancement of humanity in general.
Do you see what happens to American politicians? Their never-ending, intoxicated quest for money, power and control tuns them into insane, unreasonable monsters. Anti-human. Anti-American. Anti everything but themselves. It’s so disgusting.
And will eventually ‘rule over the ashes’….
In the “church lady’s ” voice, could it be Satan!
The words that come to mind reading this “Beware of the military-industrial complex.”
G-d bless Trump!
And, Merry Christmas!!!
Those who complain about “Putin President for Life” I would say Russia under Putin has stability and continuity the US can only imagine.
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Elaboration for this I leave to others, as I have not the time …
There are many instances of President Putin’s speeches on the internet. I would suggest that people listen to them, if they have not already. He is not the ‘KGB murderer’ that we have been purposefully led to believe, but a lawyer of great intelligence and sensibility. The first time I ever heard one of his speeches, I was amazed. This was not the characteristics of the raving dictator that I had always been told he was. The realistic future is an alliance between Russia and the US, and hopefully we n ow have people in power who can do this.
Exactly. The Dems selling Russia as the boogeyman was a successful op for them; just read some comments here. The gaslighting was strong and worked very well.
Russia feels “left out” by NATO He suggests, almost clinically, that perhaps Russia could be an ally — “European and multi-ethnic,” comparable in character to the United States.
I would add that Russia was not only left out, they were disregarded and never properly thanked for helping save Europe. The ungrateful EU, now almost as communist as the old Soviets, are trying to punish Russia for kicking out the commies and ruining their ideal of a socialist mega union.
NATO membership was rejected by President George W Bush and all presidents thereafter.
Maybe better said that the rejection was by the globalist communist deep state of the world that controlled or at a minimum, manipulated all presidents thereafter. Was Europe actually planning to become more socialist by forming the EU so they could be the new softer Soviet Union? After reading this release I say yes.
re: “I would add that Russia was not only left out, they were disregarded and never properly thanked for helping save Europe.”
Anybody remember the Berlin Airlift? It was a thing due to the Soviet Union’s blockade of West Berlin from June 1948 to May 1949.
Did we somehow hurt their ‘feewings’ shortly after 1945 or what?
I believe the context of this thread is about Putin and Bush having conversations, and those notes having been released. So, connecting 1940’s with 2000 Putin is a bit of a stretch, especially since he wasn’t even born until 1952.
Globalists are more the enemy than is Putin. Should Bush re-appear, we are done as a free nation. AND THOSE, as I hear, are his plans. Had DeSantis remove all Trump Republicans form the RPOF so Florida’s 30 electoral votes could go to the Globs.
In noting the fine comments, I am noting a couple of issues necessary to grasping a truth imbedded, now after so many years in our operational posture:
– 1892 – Departments in Univ. of Chicago, Columbia Univ., Univ. of Wisconsin with E.A. Ross who has career full of Socio-communist relations. Ross’s book “Social Control” (1901) is the textbook teaching how a few can gain control over Society. Albin W. Small, first Chair, taught Sociology as History, Economics, and Political Science. This Department and Albin W. Small
were funded by Rockefeller Foundation.
– 1913 – Or, as the old Red dictum goes, “Communism must be built with non-Communist hands.” To engage the non-Communist dupes in these endeavors, though, requires rhetorical camouflage and deception. A prime example of this rhetorical treachery can be found in the judicial revolution launched in 1913 with the Conference on Legal and Social
Philosophy organized by Fabian Socialists Harold Laski, John Dewey, Morris Cohen, and Roscoe Pound. Cohen’s son, Felix, later boasted that it is from this conference that “much of the social and philosophical consciousness of modern American jurisprudence derives.” Felix Cohen openly proclaimed; It is impossible to attempt overthrow of Capitalism as an economic
system without at the same time attacking the substance of capitalist law. As well, Federal Reserve pushed through Congress. Wilson hired, to effect this. Taft had to be defeated to elect this partial political coup.. Rockefeller & Morgan bought up 159 News Corporations, while J.P. Morgan financed the Roosevelt “Bull Moose” vote splitting campaign.
– 1923 – Communist Psychopolitics – The description of a course taught at the “Lenin
Institute” to Americans sent by John D. Rockefeller. Rockefeller was member of the CFR – This course still exists. What is “Psychopolitics? The art & science of asserting and maintaining dominion over the thoughts and loyalties of Individuals, Officers, bureaus, and Masses and the effecting of the conquest of enemy Nations through “Mental Healing”.
Psychopolitics, is a less known oblique to Geo-politics This dealing with molding the highest strata of the “Mental Healing” arena. Through this effecting of the conquest of enemy nations through “mental Healing”. Objective, conquest through social chaos. Beria, mass murderer of entire villages in the Russian conquests, was the Professor of the 2 year course.
– Authors note: Beria was the longest-surviving and the most influential of Stalin’s secret police chiefs of the People’s Commissariat for Internal Affairs (NKVD). The responsibility of the NKVD was to ensure the internal security of the Soviet Union and it systematically did so through massive political repression, authorized murders of many hundreds of thousands of politicians and citizens, kidnappings, assassinations, and mass deportations. Beria was later eliminated as were so many. Note Rockefeller gave in a pro-quo land for the United Nation operational headquarters.
How many have needlessly suffered and died due to the lust of greed and power. Years upon years, decades. Blessed are the peacemakers. May God’s hand rest heavily upon President Trump’s shoulders and guide him. May the Lord bind the hands and feet of all evil. May He disrupt and confuse the plans of the wicked. May He muffle the voice of satan.
Russia threw off the chains of Bolshevism. In the eyes of the limp globalists, her greatest sin.
Putin is a staunch nationalist. In the eyes of the limp globalists, his greatest sin.
Sundance nails it here:
Which is exactly the point: NATO was never simply a “defensive alliance.” Even in 1954, It was a structure. A protection racket. A way to organize Europe under an American strategic roof and to keep it there. If Russia enters that roof as an equal, the architecture changes. Budgets decrease, with less money for the MIC. Threat perceptions change. The entire postwar hierarchy changes.
NATO is no different than the UN, the WHO, USAID, the legions of NGOs, and every other bloated welfare organization one could name. Self-serving parasites coated in a sticky film of virtue signaling. Peace, prosperity, health, and fellowship to be avoided at all costs. War, poverty, illness, and strife, so much more profitable to our elitist betters.
Imagine how different the world would be today, if we had only welcomed Putin, and Russia, as EQUAL partners 25 years ago?
How many of our current allies are in that same category, with NO subsidy? That number is ZERO.
Merry Christmas, to all who value freedom, and strong nations. AND strong borders. If 2026 brings a new alliance with Russia, it will be a very happy New Year, indeed.
The difference in intellect amd preparation between Putin and Bush is embarrassing.
Det ..did you ever have a change to watch VVP to answer questions from Russian general public/foreign & domestic journalists ? last time in over 4 hrs he answered 80+ questions ….he embarrassed few western presstitutes….I can not image any of our presidents /CONgre$$mans/$enators would be able/willing do it here….
My God! The government kept this fact from its citizens for 71 years! Vietnam might never have happened, surely the Cuban Missel Crisis would never have evolved, and Eisenhower’s warning to the United States on his departure speech from the White House in January of 1961 becomes very foreboding.
Thank God, Donald Trump is our Commander in Chief and is willing to open talks with Putin based on US and Russian interests.
Pulling Russia into the Western orbit with China on the outside would have been awesome for America. So naturally, Bush rejected it. He and his family and the Parasite Class had already sold out to China and the New World Order and looked at Russia as just another place to loot.
..Gipper….after their 35 yrs of experience with WEST they are not hurry at all wheeling & dealing with West at all for sure not with EU… with exception Hungary/Slovakia….
Holy crap!
The latest incarnation of the UK’s “Radical Islam” came out of support for the Mhjadeen in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union. Operation Cyclone. Op Cyclone II was in Bosnia,Kosovo against the Orthodox Christian Serbs. They may be on Op Cyclone 5 at this point. The Dementia Biden Deep State traitors just left them a couple of billion in US tax slave paid for weapons in Heroin Afghanistan to pass out to new incarnations of their controlled “Radical Islam”
Another interesting theory involving the British
Correct—- it is theory. 🙄
Who actually implemented it during our modern era?
Karl Marx died 1883. 🤷♀️
It was…….
Marxism= Trotskyites = Bolsheviks =Communism
Who exactly were the Trotskyites and Bolsheviks? 🤷♀️
Henri Fjord (@henri_fjord): ““We spent years in school learning about the jewish holocaust. So, imagine my surprise once I got out of school and I learned there was an even bigger Christian holocaust going on in Russia at the same we were locking arms with Stalin.”” | XCancel
This is an interesting read….a brief summary…it was growing Internationally.
That was the goal. International. My country 🇺🇸 was seeing the movement
growing here!
This is a fascinating read! 😳 Start at page 108…testimony of Methodist
Episcopalian pastor George Simons. What he testified backs up what the
youngsters sent me that I have been reading! It is only about 20 pages…..and free!
Youngsters are reading actual documents- not theories…or “ revisionist history”.
Old books…they are scouring old bookstores and antique shops📚📚👏👏 and
old newspapers!📰
Bolshevik Propaganda Hearings Before a Subcommittee of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, Sixtyfifth Congress, Third Session and Thereafter, Pursuant to S. Res. 439 and 469. February 11, 1919, to March 10, 1919 : United States. Congress. Senate. Committee on the Judiciary : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
Otto von Bismarck -Germany- attempted to stop in 1878- with passing of
Anti-Socialism laws. Movement moved to Russia where it was successful—
underground German Socialist movement was sending weapons and money
to the Socialist-Trotskyites in Russia. It also did/tried spread to other parts
of the World …Hungary is just one of many…….including what is now part of Poland.
Why was Trotsky in Mexico when he was killed? Interesting that Trotsky was
in NYC before the Bolsheviks took over🤔 why not in London?
Some of the youngsters have been researching and have indicated that it
is how communism moved into China. Not my point of research at this time, 🤷♀️
I can see that it is highly probable- due to geography. And……as the quote
I am reading quite frequently —_”___brains, Chinese and Letts swords,
and crass stupidity of Russian people “
And in keeping with the subject of correspondence
between Russia and Bush…..
One of my future reads is the book sent to me….
My Dear Mr Stalin, The Complete Correspondence of Franklin D. Roosevelt
and Joseph V Stalin.
Should be fascinating read. Right now….researching- reading about
Trotsyites- Bolsheviks. Starting at the beginning……where it all began.
Amazing what we never taught in school 💥
One should look into Mason-Marxist Roosevelt denying entry to America to Jewish refugees because they wanted them to go to Pike’s-Sykes-Picot created Palestine instead of Madagascar.
The “Nazi” spies is a ridiculous complete deflection op to hide the real reason why.
The U.S. Government Turned Away Thousands of Jewish Refugees, Fearing That They Were Nazi Spies
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/us-government-turned-away-thousands-jewish-refugees-fearing-they-were-nazi-spies-180957324/
Amazon blurb
The updated edition of Secret Affairs covers the momentous events of the past year in the Middle East and at home in the UK. It reveals the unreported attempts by Britain to cultivate relations with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt after the fall of Mubarak, the military intervention on the side of Libyan rebel forces which include pro-al-Qaeda elements, and the ongoing reliance on the region’s ultimate fundamentalist state, Saudi Arabia, to safeguard its interest in the Middle East.
It illuminates path of Salman Abedi, the bomber who attacked Manchester in May 2017, and his terror network: how he fought in Libya in 2011 as part of a group of fighters which the UK allowed to leave the country to go and battle against Gadafi to topple him. Abedi’s father, also one of the group who left Manchester with the blessing of the UK, also fought in Libya at this time with an Islamist group that was armed and financed by Qatar. Qatar poured money into the opposition forces at this time at the specific request and with the approval of the UK. They armed mainly Islamist groups and many of the weapons they delivered were sent to jihadi groups in Syria after Gadafi was overthrown, stoking the Islamist/jihadi cause there.
In this ground-breaking book, Mark Curtis reveals the covert history of British collusion with radical Islamic and terrorist groups. Secret Affairs shows how governments since the 1940s have connived with militant forces to control oil resources and overthrow governments. The story of how Britain has helped nurture the rise of global terrorism has never been told.
I remember Putin at W’s ranch and being very hopeful for the future based on his public comments at that time
I think there is a non-conspiratorial way to read these conversations that does not require any sort of long-term goal to minimize Russia. Even at this point Putin – and Russia generally – thought of itself (and still thinks of itself) as a world power, if not quite the full equal of the US, in a category distinct from the European powers individually and collectively. It believed and still believes European strategic matters are to be settled with the United States. The American view – perhaps colored by what we heard from our European allies – was (and still is) that the Russian are really not entitled to a distinctly powerful seat at the top table, and that Europe qua European Union is Russia’s equal.
The two views are not really compatible, because the two powers are almost talking past each other. Was a clash inevitable? Perhaps not, but perhaps.
Having followed developments in European policy/NATO expansion as closely as one reasonably could as an interested outsider, I think some of the most important pressure for membership from countries such as Poland, Hungary, Czech, and the Baltics was internal and arose from the absolute hatred these nations have for Russia and their determination to never again be subject to Russian domination. The depth of this hatred is something the Russians are aware of, but don’t really accept.
Like it or not Ukraine is something of a special case historically and strategically. Crimea aside – which was never seriously part of historical and ethnic Ukraine – Ukraine has long been seen as historically Russian in large part, though the Western parts of the country were part of Poland-Lithuania until the partitions of Poland in the 18th century – Kyiv itself wasn’t ceded to Moscow until 1667. Ukrainians have a national identity, but are divided historically whether they look East or West. Given its geographical position, no Russian government would reasonably tolerate an openly hostile Ukraine on its borders.
I would not put too much stock in the USSR’s 1954 overture to NATO applying for membership: that was the communist regime which still thought it could bury the West. Its likely purpose was to get Western formal ratification of Soviet control of Eastern Europe, rather than de facto acquiescence in it.
Still, renewing it wasn’t a bad idea and it could have formed the basis for a settlement, but what? My sense is that if NATO had stopped with the Baltics and Romania, the Russians would have been willing to live with it in at least the medium run. Ukraine would have had to be essentially a neutral, but it could have been an economic bridge between Russia and the rest of Europe.
Last sentence says it all.
Any “defensive” alliance wants neutral buffer space between itself and its enemy. Lands that the enemy must conquer first to reach them.
Any “offensive” alliance wants contiguous “friendly” territory leading up to its enemy’s borders on every accessible side.
You figure it out. Russia already has.
The EU is as big as the US. The EU has never contributed to their own defense like it mattered to them. They are like ticks on the USA. They talk WWIII and spend little on defense. They are not serious people any longer. The EU is being washed away by the Islamists. The EU has earned it. The EU will be totalitarian and then Islamic.
“It didn’t happen because NATO, as an institution, does not know how to live without a frontier. It does not know how to justify itself without an adversary.”
NATO’s entire existence, from inception to today, summed up in one sentence.
How many other agencies and institutions, who justify their existence because: “national security,” have the same mindset?
How many agencies and institutions have the same mindset? I dare say it, all of them.
The opposition is not out of concern for us. It’s always about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
A relative of mine gifted to me a DVD entitled “The Good Shepherd” starring Matt Damon. It follows the career of his character from becoming a Skull & Bones member at Yale to his arrival, years later, at the new CIA offices in Langley, where he’s to be in charge of global black operations. Robert Di Niro has a bit part. The entire supporting cast is outstanding. It wasn’t until credits rolled that I learned Di Niro had directed the film and the main producer was Francis F Coppola and his American Zoetrope production company.
From what I’ve learned here at CTH over the years about CIA and other “intelligence” agencies, The Good Shepherd really hit me as an accurate assessment of the personality types who populate those agencies. If Di Niro weren’t afflicted with such a severe case of Turret’s Syndrome, he’d probably get a lot more traction than he does. The Good Shepherd is an unusually effective bit of film-making.
Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to everyone of goodwill here at the Conservative Tree House.
So, we should have let the Bolshevik’s into the western alliance in 1954? Hmmmm….
Should we have association with current EU/NATO which looks like softer version of USSR with islamist flavor ????
You sure hit the nail on the head on that one Sejmon. 13 & 21 Nazi SS Divisions.