Secretary of State Marco Rubio met with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on the sidelines of a meeting of foreign ministers from the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) in Kuala Lumpur today. Against the backdrop of multiple questions to him about the outcome of their discussion, let us first discuss the problem being avoided.
In the mind of President Putin, and in the growing awareness of the American electorate, the President of the United States does not control the Intelligence Community. It is entirely possible for the USIC to take America deeper toward war despite the President and people of America not wanting that to happen. Putin is simply prepared for that outcome.
This reality explains a dynamic where President Trump engages with President Putin in an effort to stop the war in Ukraine, yet President Putin continues the war in Ukraine; because ultimately he knows President Trump does not control the elements that facilitate the Ukraine military.
People struggle to accept this dynamic. However, I would remind everyone that right now YOU are paying for the entire government of Ukraine to exist. Including the Ukraine govt payrolls, retirement benefits, healthcare and operational budget of Ukraine overall.
Americans do not want to pay for that. President Trump does not want to pay for that. Yet, here we are, paying for that.
The same inertia process applies to the literal Ukraine war and conflict with Russia.
You might not want it. President Trump might not want it. Yet, here again we are providing weapons, intelligence, satellite communication, personnel and systems for the war.
This is the reality of the situation regardless of your/my willingness to accept it. This reality is what President Vladimir Putin discusses and accepts.
The problem for President Trump is not that this reality exists; the bigger political problem for President Trump is that people are increasingly becoming aware of this reality.
Now, many people are recently arguing against this reality. However, these are the same voices who previously stated President Trump could unilaterally declassify information within the same silo process that is designed to control his declassification authority. Empirically, and in reality, these voices are wrong.
Something needs to change. That something is generally that President Trump has to either: 1. admit publicly he does not control the U.S. Intelligence Community (very ugly); or 2. take control of that intelligence community (even uglier).
In this element of consideration you would be well served to insert the recent experience of Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard; who, intentionally or not, opened the pandora’s box containing this issue, and look what happened to her.
There was a reason DNI Tulsi Gabbard sat silently recently in the very public Cabinet meeting. I will return to this in a moment.
[SIDE NOTE: Those who deny this reality are likely of a disposition that reconciled advice by those who said COVID-19 virus could attack you standing standing at a bar, but would not approach you sitting down. The COVID virus would attack you in the paint section at WalMart, but not in the grocery aisles, etc.
Every COVID-19 mitigation pronouncement was ridiculously silly, yet people not only believed it, they followed it. The non-pretending tribe did not. For whatever reason you might attribute, the reality of that COVID-19 experience highlighted that the non-pretending tribe within American is in the minority. The pretenders included politicians, healthcare workers, most doctors, police, law enforcement and most Americans (70% vaccinated). END NOTE]
♦ President Trump does not have control over the USIC activity in Ukraine. If he did, he would have been fully aware of the drone strikes against the Russian strategic bomber fleet before it was carried out. By his own admission he did not know.
Prior to the increased attacks, Russian President Vladimir Putin correctly noted that Ukraine does not have the military capability, the satellite communication and guidance systems to continue carrying out strikes deep into Russia. Therefore, from the perspective of Putin, as these strikes continued they were facilitated by NATO. Ergo, NATO was factually attacking Russia, albeit using Ukraine as the proxy for it. Again, Putin with clear eyes on reality.
Into this pretending/non-pretending world, in a remarkable statement of candor we also saw Secretary of State Marco Rubio accurately -and honestly- say five months ago the Ukraine conflict was a proxy war for the USA against Russia.
Now, fast forward to today. The reality is the proxy war, Rubio outlined so eloquently, continues. Simultaneously, neither he nor President Trump has any control over the USIC that is carrying it out. Yet, Secretary Rubio has to sit down with Foreign Minister Lavrov and either (a) be honest, or (b) pretend.
Following the meeting, here is Rubio’s remarks. You decide:
[Rubio brought up a good point. Germany, UK, France and Spain all have Patriot battery’s they can spare. However, they are refusing to give them to Ukraine. I wonder why.]
Back to the point – Again, President Trump and Secretary Rubio seem to have two options: 1. Admit their lack of control, or 2. Take control.
♦ The first option is obviously the easiest, admit the President of the United States does not have full control over the U.S. Intelligence Community. However, that comes with severe ramifications.
Flip it. Look at the dynamic from the outside. Imagine Emmanuel Macron or Abdel Fattah al-Sisi saying they no longer have operational control over their intelligence agencies, and those agencies have gone rogue. What would you think of France or Egypt?
Now imagine if the President of the USA made such a statement. How would the world react? What would happen to the dollar? How weak would President Trump look?
Thus, there is extreme pressure to maintain a premise.
Think about the recent experience of DNI Gabbard, and accept those types of consequences are exactly what the USIC rely upon to maintain their power and control. Open, even briefly, the Pandora’s Box that hides reality and massive alarms are immediately triggered to isolate, ridicule and marginalize the truth teller.
The people around President Trump have a vested interest in keeping that Pandora’s Box closed. Which brings us to the second option…. ‘Take control.’
♦ Factually, no one knows what “taking control” would look like.
Who exactly would enforce compliance and bring the USIC to heel? Tulsi was burned just nibbling around the edge of it. What would be the reaction from the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, and more importantly what would be the response from the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence; ironically the former silo chaired by Rubio.
Would President Donald Trump reach the same fate as President John F Kennedy? Perhaps not, if a very public process was instituted where President Trump said exactly what the situation was. However, that approach simply goes back to point #1.
See the problem?
Let’s talk about Tulsi Gabbard’s silence at the cabinet meeting, and role play for a moment as a Gordian Knot cutter.
Imagine a journalist who says: “Mr. President, thank you for the transparency you provide in allowing us to be with you and your cabinet during these meetings. If I may ask a question with a brief follow up?”
Question: “Mr President, do you feel you have full control over the intelligence agencies of our government?“
[Anticipated Response]: “I think so, at least I would hope that is the case” (or something similar).
Question: “Thank you. With that in mind, what specifically provides you with the sense of assurance you do have full control over the USIC?” … AND… “Would you also permit DNI Tulsi Gabbard to answer that question?“
Imagine what would follow that brief line of questioning. If the imaginary journalist were so inclined, he/she could also follow up with simple examples, like President Trump having no prior knowledge of the Ukraine drone strikes into Russia etc.
My point is that absent of President Trump taking some action that begins the process -against the interests and advice of his protective advisors- it is going to take an external element in this dynamic to trigger a change in the situation; for better, for uglier, or for worse.
The people around the office of the President are not going to want to touch this issue…
….Just ask Tulsi.
Thank you, Sundance. Excellent analysis.
I say go full Wolverine, call the baby ugly, burn it all down and let the chips fall where they may..
FUBAR!! Tired of living a lie.
I think that’s the best we could possibly hope for.
The problem is I don’t think Trump will do it.
Is that a problem? Do you understand going to war with the IC entails? And, this IC encompasses the other western nation. Frankly, exposing them is the good beginning to solve this. Who do they work for? What is their purpose? We need to explain them, their mission, and their masters.
“Who do they work for?” Not us, so divining the actual person or groups doesn’t matter, does it?
“What is their purpose” Self-aggrandizement, self-enrichment, probably global communism. Not to serve us, but to continue to control us. Neo-feudalism.
“Who do they work for?”…the arms merchants, for one (Raytheon, BAE., Boeing, Northrup Grumman, etc.).
I think thats the route. Let them expose themselves, force them out into the light and open.
If you strike at something, you become its enemy. If you allow domething to swing, and it fails, thats on them not on you.
Let them slit their own throat, and pounce when they are weak and on the backfoot. Right now they have a position of strength and are taking the offensive. Judo moves are needed here.
There are those who might argue that the US’s current problems stem from British global hegemony.
See https://www.prometheanaction.com/author/susan/
I would encourage all Treepers to explore the web page to see if you think what is offered there could be efficacious to our purpose: restoring the People’s role in their governance.
Yep.
I recently found Promethean and became aware of the part that the British financial elite play in our current global situation.
I’ve watched several videos, but I have yet to understand exactly 1) WHY & TO WHAT EXTENT they believe we are still controlled by the City of London, and 2) why LaRouche’s widow and her group, composed of former LaRouche activists/ devotees, are not associated in any way with Promethius.
I feel they owe us an explanation. Until one is forthcoming, I’m not trusting them yet.
Regardless of who they work for they are on the US Taxpayer teat… cut it off and see what happens and take those two visiting senators with you.. easy as an accidental key stroke
I agree – it’s too dangerous to do it any other way than straight up. I hate that Trump is going to keep giving stuff to Ukraine. Unseemly and wrong IMHO.
Frankly I think it is wrong of the U.S. to send weapons to Ukraine that will be used against Russia. I prefer being friends with Russia than Ukraine which is a corrupt country which does not even have a duly elected president. Russia/Putin is a better friend to us.
TRUMP / CIA = SNAFU
History is mischievous. We find strange similarities with the themes (and the characters behind the curtain) of JFK vs CIA.
Names, families, functions… What’s new today?
https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/11/21/cia-versus-jfk-fifty-years-after/
Let us pray for President Trump, that he remains enlightened by the Holy Spirit.
And Barron to repeat to him: “Father, keep on the right, prefer to keep on the left”
And keep you from Susan Wiles.
“Prior to the increased attacks, Russian President Vladimir Putin correctly noted that Ukraine does not have the military capability, the satellite communication and guidance systems to continue carrying out strikes deep into Russia. Therefore, from the perspective of Putin, as these strikes continued they were facilitated by NATO. Ergo, NATO was factually attacking Russia, albeit using Ukraine as the proxy for it. Again, Putin with clear eyes on reality.
So is it the Intelligence/State Department doing this crap or France/UK/Spain aka NATO doing this?
Macron. Starmer et. al. pretty much do stupid things every day and The Deep State does nothing about it because they like it. Looks like a Proxy War with a lot of cheerleaders.
PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS AN ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT RUSSIA IS COMING ON MONDAY.
Could President Trump sign an EO cutting off all funds to Ukraine? Or all military funds?
Say August 1sf the EU can step in, or not.
And urge Ukraine to hold elections?
JULY 10 2025
BREAKING: President Trump told NBC News’ Kristen Welker in a phone interview that a “major statement” regarding Russia will be released on Monday, and that he made a deal with NATO in which the U.S. will send weapons to Ukraine through NATO, with “NATO paying for those weapons, 100%.”
“I think I’ll have a major statement to make on Russia on Monday,” he said, declining to elaborate.
“We’re sending weapons to NATO, and NATO is paying for those weapons, 100%.
So what we’re doing is the weapons that are going out are going to NATO,
and then NATO is going to be giving those weapons [to Ukraine], and NATO is paying for those weapons,” Trump said.
He added that the deal was reached at a NATO summit last month.
“We send weapons to NATO, and NATO is going to reimburse the full cost of those weapons,” Trump said.
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JULY 10 2025
AXIOS
Trump plans to send Ukraine weapons via NATO allies
[…]”POTUS is sending defensive weapons to NATO. NATO can decide what to do with it. We’re not sending weapons to Ukraine,” one official said.
But Trump himself confirmed in the NBC interview that the arms would ultimately be bound for Ukraine.
“So what we’re doing is the weapons that are going out are going to NATO, and then NATO is going to be giving those weapons [to Ukraine], and NATO is paying for those weapons.”
more:
https://www.axios.com/2025/07/11/trump-ukraine-weapons-nato-allies-sell
Apparently he said he’s disappointed with Russia but will see what happens in a few weeks. Indicating prob another meeting
I am confused. Does this mean that NATO security guarantees will now be extended to a non-member country indicating that the proxy war will now be between NATO and Russia. This would mean that the EU has agreed to go to overt war with Russia.
While I do see this as a potential move by President Trump to shift the financial burden to those countries with more risk, this approach could also accelerate the slide into an expanded war.
If this is the case, then shouldn’t the change in ownership be announced by NATO/USA together so this does not appear unilateral.
This is a game changer for sure. However, I have also read recently that Russian war making production has now ramped up to the point where it exceeds the combined west’s capacity. The cards keep shifting further toward Russia.
While this may be the best option of all the truly bad options, it has the potential to o put a serious kink in the golden age plans.
Okay, so you give a carjacker a gun so he can go hold up someone but you will be held blameless as the carjacker didn’t actually pay you for the gun, his buddy is going to pay for it . . . eventually.
This is NOT GOOD. TRUMP is ratcheting up the war with Russia. He can call it what he likes, but it is the USA at war with Russia. Trump has lost his mind. His ego will lead to his demise.
If the week just past has set the trend, let us hope it’s not a declaration of war vs Russia.
Let’s see clearly. Trump is not waging a war against Russia. He is trying to make a difference and put on a brave face.
In fact, he started a war against the real enemies of the USA, the CIA.
He started by making USAID disappear as a major source of income for the CIA, and many politicians from the Uniparty.
He must maneuver with the utmost caution. What he does.
He appears to be operating under a severe, deadly threat of blackmail, extortion and coercion.
This is fuct.
And how much money does the U.S. give to NATO?
Come on folks, this is a ruse.
Tucker Carlson will have a hissy fit. when he hears this one.
As he should. I am not pleased by this in the slightest. How do you think this is optimal??
Sorry but that is chickensh!t don’t we need those weapons?
This is not as hard as it would appear. How many people are in IC employ? First, invoke PEADS. Second, use the military and round up every one of them. Jail them overseas. If they aren’t walking around loose, they can’t do anything, and their threats are gone. Tell the Senate to sit down and shut up or you’ll be next. The POTUS MUST control the IC, period. Whatever it takes. Should have been done on Day 1.
Exactly. Make an example of 1 or 2 and the others will fall in line.
We need a whistle blower to get things rolling.
He already mapped them
https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2025/02/trump-administration-asks-all-feds-justify-their-jobs-or-risk-losing-them/403207/
those that did not respond were terminated via downsize. or as it goes
That edict was rescinded for most of federal government, DHS for sure.
The intelligence community sure isn’t good for the Economy – and a strong Economy is really the only thing that brings security to a Nation.
No wonder people hate spies.
Termites . . . and that is being mean to termites!
According to various reports, this ink Disclose TV, President Trump plans to announce on Monday the U.S will sell weapons to the NATO nations, which they will then provide, sell to, Ukraine, not just defensive weapons but also offensive weapons:
https://www.disclose.tv/id/uav3dmb2tx/
From link –
“President Trump plans to sell weapons to NATO allies, who would then supply them to Ukraine. He confirmed this in an NBC interview, stating, “the weapons that are going out are going to NATO, and then NATO is going to be giving those weapons [to Ukraine].”
This marks a shift in Trump’s policy as he grows frustrated with Putin. While some officials denied plans to arm Ukraine directly, discussions about the scheme have taken place at recent NATO summits. The sales could include offensive weaponry, not just “defensive weapons.”
Trump has allowed some arms shipments under Biden’s authorization but has not approved new packages. He is also evaluating a sanctions package on Russia. The Pentagon froze a shipment to Ukraine but reversed the decision, citing the urgent need for defense against Russian attacks.
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State of play: The Pentagon froze a recent shipment to Ukraine that included much-needed air defense weaponry, but Trump reversed the decision earlier this week, citing Ukraine’s need to defend its cities.”
“President Trump plans to sell weapons to NATO allies” who will buy them with US taxpayer aid money? Should be a boon to the US economy.
Is that the economy you want for America–to become prosperous by selling implements of human destruction?
Our choice:
1. “unknown” players propping up the Props (Zelenskyy/Iran/Terrorists/UN/etc) – STEAL American tax dollars when they (are allowed) GIVE our money/weapons to the Props
… or …
2. We allow the “unknown” players to BUY our weapons that they then give to the Props.
This opens the door for Russia to act against the U.S. in a kinetic fashion. Putin has stated so for other countries supplying Ukraine with armaments, but has yet to act on that threat.
Y’all think PJDT didn’t know all this going in?
President Trump sharper eyes than the rest of us.
So tell me please what he is seeing.
I tell you what he is seeing, a bunch of stuff that we don’t.
Very, very hard to acknowledge, but Trump gives every indication that he is suffering from a combination of ignorance and coercion.
“We have given you a Republic, for as long as you can keep it.”
I feel full of questions.
First of all, I think that Mr. Putin knows all this (POTUS not in control of IC) and I don’t blame him one bit for playing this as he is.. I don’t think he’s wrong.
I’d see as he is too- and I’m sure this sucks for Mr. Putin because I do feel that him and Mr. Trump have a great respect for each other, dare I say these two men like each other. So I’m sure Mr. Putin would truly like to work this out with POTUS, but how can he?
Next:
We throw around the words “Constitutional Crisis” all to freely.
When I read what Sundance just explained, this to me is a true Constitutional Crisis, this is a true National Security risk..
This is a flat out emergency as far as I am concerned.
If you are telling me that these unelected mystery people with no faces or names we know think they are going to take us to war despite the American people voting against this, and our President saying no, if they do that anyway well you are damn right that is an emergency.
I see this situation as the enemy within.
How is what the IC doing not considered terrorism?
We cannot have agencies within our government acting independently of any oversight and starting wars for crying out loud !!
Now, all this brings me to the Constitution.
According to the words on the parchment, every single one of these people work for us.
So it seems to me that if our President is doing his job, he MUST take on the IC and bring that Leviathan back under control of the Executive.
I believe that if POTUS is transparent and honest with the people, they’ll think just what I’m thinking- and a whole lot more.
This is not going to go over well at all and people will want this dealt with, I think even some Democrats will.
I bet John Fetterman will.
Is the first step to do this defunding it ?
I hate to say this, but Elon Musk might have some ideas about how to do this.
Seems like the IC is saying “We’re gonna do what we’re gonna do, and what are you gonna do about it? “”
They say that because they’ve got “Six ways to Sunday” to make sure you are not going to do anything about it..
None of this is okay at all.
The President must act.
This is all wrong. The CIA should be afraid of the President, not the other way around. How was this allowed to happen? President Kennedy said he wanted to splinter the CIA in a thousand pieces and scatter to the wind. Why can’t Trump do it? Is the CIA part of another government we don’t know about? How can the President not be in charge of the CIA? This whole thing is totally bizarre.
Congress passed the Patriot Act shortly after 9/11.
The 535 corrupt Crap Weasels gave the CIA this power. Obama and Holder weaponized it against American citizens. It has been that way since.
Act yes, with great caution. What he does
Remenber JFK Vs CIA
Unless, President Trump has gone full Globalist after Butler.
Or he always was a Globalist, sang us a song we wanted to hear in order to capture the Populist Vote and then the ‘Stablishment banished him to be King Of The Dirty Boot Serfs, with our cheeseburgers, monster trucks, Sportsball and Family Values and he really didn’t like it.
His way back into The Club was bringing US back to heel after The Death Cult reminded him who really calls the turns.
Perhaps a peace through strength stance with Russia to clean up the whole thing. NATO/ukr/the rogue IC? It’s a pickle
Tulsi was silent. Yet she is the only intelligence person I trust 100 percent in the administration. Radcliffe, not so much.
I think the more Putin, the Hyena, tries to jerk President Trump, the Lion, and his peace efforts around , the more arms Ukraine will get.
President Putin was born in the Year of the Dragon – not hyena. His element is Water.
Russia is the bear, and Putin is no hyena–he’s the Papa Bear.
If not President Trump, then who?
Apparently, someone more like Putin.
At least we know where President Putin is coming from several thousand miles away..
“The first option is obviously the easiest, admit the President of the United States does not have full control over the U.S. Intelligence Community. However, that comes with severe ramifications”
That admission is not necessary for the basic reason that the majority of the American public either does NOT care that the Deep State controls/has more power than the President or may actually support the fact that the so called Commander in Chief commands nobody/nothing really of importance in the US military and its intelligence
Many of you may know me, i am from India and have been following US politics for a long time now..
Trust me, when I say this.. A lot of the outside world ALREADY knows that the US military and its intelligence arm hold the ACTUAL power in Washington DC. They also know that your military ultimately answers to the banking cartel that has operated out of London since atleast 200 plus
years … Sundance recently pointed to the YouTube channel Promethean Action which calls out London in open and unvarnished terms…people who follow Alex Krainer will quickly agree/understand the situation as well
I also disagree with the idea that the status of the USD will be dangerously damaged because foreign nations don’t know that the POTUS has no control over the Deep State…
Foreign Governments all over the world especially in BRICS nations KNOW this dynamic already…they also KNOW that the USD has been severely damaged by the Deep corruption and uncontrollable spending of the US Government.. they ALREADY know that the fiat money system since 1971 is the ultimate confidence game the planet has known.. they are frankly trying to extricate themselves from the entrenched US dollar system
If you have wondered why the 10 years Treasury yields have spiked to rates near 5% or why Japan is unloading US Treasuries at rates never seen before, wonder no more…these are votes of no confidence on the USD.. this is why Central Banks all over the world have been hoarding gold for the last 10 years and why Trump started talking up Bitcoin
People voted for Trump (atleast a healthy plurality) for him to take on the Deep State.. the people themselves have a role to play as well…if you have your Senators and Congressman listen to you than the other way around, the Ukraine war would be winding down ..
however if Trump is unable or unwilling to take on the Deep State, he will be one more also ran who bowed down to the Deep State…maybe he will escape the bloodiness of the JFK assassination and the complete humiliation that the Deep State heaped on Nixon.. but he will go down very weekly as all bluster and no action
The non pretending reality that has been very clear to me for a long time now is that the US as a country is united in name only..
Among those who follow politics closely, the American people are deeply divided…the rest of them have been dumbed down to the point where they have no idea what is actually going on.. No country can survive this combination of ignorance, apathy and division (which can never be reconciled..see the 2nd Amendment for
instance)
Sorry about the long rant.. but many of us outside the US already know what is happening on the inside.. the ball frankly is in the court of the American people.
thank you for this perspective. If the ball is in the court of the American people then I fear for the United States. The American people are very very divided and at each other’s throats (just like the IC likes it, btw). We’re also very watered down from an understanding of basic civics – an influx of 3’rd world immigrants coupled with leftwing public education – contributing to this state of affairs.
The only real solutions are local, state level maybe even county level solutions. Repealing the 17’th amendment would be an excellent start but that lift may be too heavy. It’s going to take people refusing to join the military. Jury nullification. General strikes. Sand in the machinery stuff. Think Lech Walesa in Poland.
at your point we ALL become Antifa—NOT for me—I prefer positive change action by our govt Leader, and then my inherited weapons help in the struggle that I will devote my last few years.
You are being hypocritical. You say you don’t want to be like Antifa but are willing to use “my inherited weapons”. Exactly who will you use them against?
Maybe that’s who we should take our advice from – it worked for them.
Well be sure and stay in India then.
Keep all your friends there too.
I am also outside the USA and I share your point of view.
Thank you to Sundance for enlightening us on US political news
Why does no one know anything about this war? Take casualty figures; Rubio just claimed that Russia has lost a million killed this year. Col. Douglas MacGregor says Ukraine’s casualties have been close to a million and Russia’s have been lest than 200,000. Who is right? Nobody knows anything about this war because the CIA is running it, and that’s how they want it.
The last I heard, MacGregor claimed Ukraine had 1,200,000 KIA and Russia had 120,000 KIA, only 1 /10 as many. I think he just hallucinates his numbers.
On Rubio, per “AI”:
US Secretary of State Marco Rubio did not claim that Russia has lost a million soldiers killed this year. During a press conference, Rubio stated that since January 2025, Russia has lost 100,000 soldiers—dead, not injured—and that Ukrainian losses are smaller but still significant.
And the President claims 5000 a week….
“Nobody knows anything about this war because the CIA is running it, and that’s how they want it.”
Absolutely amazing how little footage, reports from embeds, press conferences, or the like manage to escape this war. Which is probably all well and good for the most part: The most telling statistic was divulged by the one-membered piano player dressed like Che Guevara in Kiev, proclaiming that under 20% of US “aid” was making it to Ukraine. But, let’s whizz away good money after bad!
Where are the embedded reporters from every news agency in the world? Where are the breathless reports with stunning video?
First modern war in history that no one has seen.. after 3 years of it.
World War Reddit.
There is no worse blind than the one who does not want to see or how the media relay of propaganda (CIA mockingbird, once again, they are everywhere, and I think of Mr. Ignatius and so many others) feed us, in a loop and internationally, with their lies to create mirrors and smoke.
You will understand here: https://swprs.org/the-propaganda-multiplier/ and also: https://swprs.org/contents/
Bonus
Lol. I see that there are no embedded reporters from any news agency reporting any actual war goings on. No evening news, no video, no Life Magazine quality images.
When the 12 day war between Israel and Iran started, there were news reports within seconds transmitted around the globe. Live video included. The entire 20 years of Iraq/Afghanistan was recorded live with embedded reporters.
We have seen none of that in the proxy war using Ukraine.
There are thousands of videos on BitChute of the tank battles and drones blowing up Howitzers and armed personnel carriers on both sides. Some gruesome close up rifle battles as well. Very ugly stuff.
I have often wondered about that too. A picture is worth a thousand words—-!
my question is
how can the IC drag us into a war
when we have no resources for one???
no ammo
no oil
how are we going to fight this war the IC wants?
the IC has to be pretending
besides tossing nukes there isn’t a way to have a war
they have enough for a few weeks at best.
and if they go that far
are they going to have a mad rush to all the bunkers they dug?
How do you spell love…?
MONEY….
And they have plenty of it. A budget that you’ll really never know, and dark money floating around. Remember all thse billions that just….went missing?
Complete insanity: Why did Rubio mention the rebuilding of UKRAINE? IN the middle of a war!! Good grief.
The IC serves the Deep State who serves the Globalists who serve Satan.
Satan hates ALL of humanity and wants us dead.
So do his minions.
Death is the goal.
this is excellent insight.
The surprise drone attack on Russia’s nuclear air fleet (a fleet exposed due to treaty obligations), the timing of such attack, and that POTUS had no knowledge of it; this was truly an inflection point. Dirty pool, really. The peace process stagnated at that point.
Surely, President Trump realizes that he was sabotaged?
“Dirty pool, really.” And paralleling a similar situation in the Middle East not long after.
Election Wizard@ElectionWiz
BREAKING: Trump says he will make a ‘major statement’ regarding Russia on Monday
Trump has let Tulsi twist in the wind. He seemingly abandoned her. He seemingly publicly rebuked her. Just what the IC wanted.
If he forcefully backed her it would give others the courage to stand up too. Seems a mistake by Trump.
agree. She’s one of the honest ones and POTUS isn’t backing her up.
Do NOT like at all if DJT is about to announce more weapons to Ukraine (oh, but NATO is going to pay for them, as if that makes it ok?)
What does this tell you?
If a mafia organization controls and runs the country, we are no better than a shithole 3rd world banana republic.
Totally inexcusable. Put me in charge and I could get rid of the cia in short order. So could many of you. We all know what needs to happen.
How would you do it?
By force.
Details matter.
Like an Iran op over Langley?
Reverse JFK.
You would not survive your oath taking !
Precisely! You’re not in 3rd grade playing in the sandbox with your two GI Joes. Reality is a whole different “game.”
“On July 11, 2025, U.S. President Donald Trump announced that he will make a “major statement” regarding Russia on Monday, though he did not provide specific details about the content of the statement. This announcement comes amid his recent expressions of frustration with Russian President Vladimir Putin over Russia’s involvement in the war in Ukraine.
Trump also mentioned that he is disappointed in Russia but did not elaborate further. The statement is expected to address issues related to Russia’s actions in the conflict, potentially including discussions on sanctions, military support for Ukraine, and relations with NATO. The exact nature and implications of the statement remain speculative as of now.“
Why is Trump disappointed with Russia? They are a better friend to us that the twerp Zelinsky who is not a legitimate president and refuses to have an election. Why would we do anything for them?
The US has been pumping Ukraine with money and weapons for years now, I’m sure Putin and the Russians are also disappointed that its still continuing.
Trump is arrogant and listens to the wrong people. Good with money – turning out not much else. He inflates everything better than it is and congress turns it to crap by the time it passes. Makes Trump look like a fool
We are in the midst of a Constitutional CRISIS….
If POTUS Trump does not address this head on then his Presidency will be consigned to the ashes of history along with all who proceeded him.
I PRAY for him to have the wisdom and courage to confront and DESTROY the USIC and restructure the entire Intelligence(?) apparatus!
That’s the fix..Pray for divine intervention…..
You speak as though he is not doing that….never forget that you do not know 90% of what he is doing,,,and even less of what others are doing to him….good thought–PRAY
I think he is doing that better then anyone else so far. ( No one else has tried at all)
However my one concern has been communication and rational debate.
posted above…
“There are many corrupt all over. I am not certain I would want any other nation punishing our nations producers because of something Biden did to Trump.
President Trump needs to clearly and often repeat to the US and other nations exactly why he is applying particular tariffs. Show the math ” clearly and often”, including once a month fireside chats. And those reasons need to be based on how our production is tarrifed or excise taxed by them.
Why? Because otherwise nation states will see it ( with help from statist reporting) as US tyranny, and this will accelerate the move towards BRICS.
Adding tarrif penalties to innocent other nations producers for actions their leadership took, will only aid and expedite this. ”
I have asked for PSDs Presedential Sponsoreed Debates, where all this would be discussed. “Fools argue, wise men discuss their differences. “
President Trump and his economic has explained in great detail, the rationale behind every tariff. There is no time or need for something as silly as a monthly fireside chat. We elected President Trump to fight for America First. No debate needed, tariffs are a leverage tool.
There are also no “innocent” nations that have not been ripping us off for decades. Not one.
“fireside chats”.
You must be kidding. The networks would never air them.
He literally does this on Truth Social, and with repeater accounts on x, FB, Gab, etc. People who follow him share these posts thru many other socials like iFunny and image boards. This info is out there if people care to look. If the people you know do not care to go looking for this info, you should find it and then broadcast it to them via email, texts, phone, or in person conversations.
“…it is going to take an external element in this dynamic to trigger a change in the situation; for better, for uglier, or for worse.”
I could not agree more strongly!
The President has set up a method of secure communication with other trusted world leaders, INCLUDING Putin.
I believe that it will be one or more of these trusted leaders AND their ICs that will be the external element(s) that will trigger a change in the situation in the USIC.
It will likely be messy and ugly, but it must be done.
Somehow the President needs to prepare a sizable portion of the American citizens for this eventuality.
The USIC will likely portray the President as a traitor as a result of the involvement of “external elements.”
I’m not smart enough to even begin to have an idea of how he would do this, but I think Trump can do it, particularly if he seeks the help of God.
…Only if…
THE BIG UGLY sputters to an end?
Reagan’s “Shining city upon a hill” goes dark?
Why does America throw itself on the sword for Israel, Ukraine, and Taiwan but not it’s own citizens?
Why can’t President Trump eliminate the CIA from our government? Then if they want to FA they will FO that they will have to fund it and take full responsibility – although it should be a fact that the President controls ALL of the government, not just a few parts.
Because the President cannot just wake up one day and sign a paper while saying “Hey everyone the CIA is no more. Just because I said so. Forget that little nugget called the Constitution, which mandates a sitting Congress that by statute created the CIA, no just ignore all that Ima doing it!!”
And we wonder why others think we’re stupid.
That whole FAFO thing has really worn thin.
@Joan, there are 3 branches of our government – Judicial, Legislative, and Executive.
President Trump only has authority over the Executive branch. He can try to influence the other 2, but has no control.
One thing to remember:
Trump has swung the pendulum to one side, but the next democrat president is going to swing it back so hard it will knock the smiles off our faces for generations.
Trump can shield us somewhat by reducing the federal workforce, getting rid of illegals, and such things but the IC will always be there to jack boot us when they get a chance.
One potential option: POTUS could threaten to leave NATO, unless the Europeans stop their “rogue” provocations and offensive actions.
While the elephant is clearly still in the room (the USIC) POTUS can decide what to do about that, another day. Meanwhile, if Europe wants to have a hot war with Russia, more power to them, but count us out. Let’s see how brave they are when they find themselves on their own. NATO, after all, was supposed to be a defensive alliance, not an aggressor. If they insist on being aggressors, that’s not a re-boot that we can agree with.
POTUS could also do what he just did with Brazil. Any NATO country found to be involved in offensive / provocative action towards Russia (thereby provoking global war), of behalf of Ukraine, or any other country, should earn themselves a 50% tariff, as a starting point.
Now that POTUS has the Supreme Court’s blessing to reduce the headcount in the Executive Branch, any department found to be assisting with provocative / aggressive activities which are intended to ignite a wider conflict with Russia, on behalf of Ukraine, or any other nation, without a Presidential finding, should have its upper-level Civil Service management decimated and their clearances revoked. If properly explained to the electorate, they will support POTUS on cleaning out the rogue elements of the deep state. And, even if there is pushback, Barry O’Bama showed us how to effectively play catch me if you can, eh?
“Now imagine if the President of the USA made such a statement. How would the world react? What would happen to the dollar? How weak would President Trump look?
Thus, there is extreme pressure to maintain a premise.”
Being brave enough to say No, sometimes comes at the cost of initially saying yes.
My wife who I was passionately in love with was having an affair with the guy next door whilst I was out at work. My neighbours told me but I refused to accept the FACT. It was not until I caught the guy next door in bed with my wife that it hit me in the face, I had to do something. I lost control, I told them both to leave.
It took me many months to get over the loss of my dream, but I did.
It was at this point I recognised that by letting go of all control of the situation that I gained ALL Control.
Loss is the greatest weakness in man.
It seems the western world is at a crossroads. All the puppet (pretenders) governments know this and those that do not pretend. The question is, who is going to tell the deceivers (pretenders) to leave the stage and under what authority, or “we” all will be living in a theatre of deception for a long long time.
When facing a difficult problem, it might help to postpone, just temporarily, the compulsion to decide the solution. It is not being evasive or irresponsible. It is merely the necessity of taking one step at a time. I would be encouraged by a Trump announcement that did no more than state the problem as he sees it, period. A la SD, just state the problem and some possible alternatives. It doesn’t always work, of course, but if a situation is made clear enough, the decision may appear all on its own.
How many of the 70% vaccinated had to do it to save their jobs?
I know many in my extended family.
So instead of a military dictatorship, we are under an Intelligence Community (CIA/FBI, etc.) dictatorship.
It’s now apparent that the EU and NATO wants a war with Russia, which they will surely lose horribly.
Bye Bye, Republic of U.S.A
It has been obvious for many years now what the solution was, if the solution is available.
The solution is the military, and the imposition of martial law. This was an option when the 2020 election was stolen, and Trump decided not to use it, or the military was unavailable.
There are two problems. As courageous and decisive as he is, Trump appears to be constitutionally unable to exercise the military option. Yes, he cares about America and Americans, but he also cares about his legacy and reputation. He is not steeped in the historical/factual knowledge of what confronts America today, and to that extent he has a “normie” perspective relative to reality. When Susie Wiles guides your information flow, that is a function of your limited perspective. The choice of Wiles was necessarily an admission that Trump does not understand what he confronts. Same with Bondi. Truly, God bless President Trump, but he simply is unaware.
Second, is the military willing and able to do the job? Obama purged the military precisely to remove this option. Dim bulb that he is, Obama knew that “his” policies (the policies of those he fronted) would inevitably leave only one option for removal, and he worked hard to eliminate that option.
Putin could be valuable in all of this. He is eminently reasonable and realistic. Reading Dugin on a daily basis reflects that.
There is nothing existent today which would be violated by military action. To the contrary, only military action can restore the enormous treasures we have lost.
Rebalancing trade on a global basis is wonderful. Rebuilding America’s economy on a sound basis fair to all Americans is wonderful and necessary. President Trump is awesome in that respect, and that is what he cares about, what engages him.
But it is nothing if we are left subjects to a tyranny whose interests are fundamentally different from and opposed to the interests of the American people. In that regard, Trump is unenlightened, and to some extent an unwitting cheerleader for those extraneous interests.
Dugin is of very little importance in Russia.
Even if true, such an odd and peculiar response. “Let’s drop a bomb like Fat Boy on them” “The name was Fat Man, not Fat Boy.”
There is no choice but to take control, otherwise MAGA will never be a reality. If the IC remains in control then everything PT does will be undone. The IC will control our fate and our future. IMO the President will have to go with your option 2. which is busting down the door and putting them under arrest for treason. Shutting down all supplies to Ukraine. This would be a show of strength not weakness. Then very publicly tell the citizens why. 70%+ already do not want us there and almost that many hate the IC.
This is one huge problem.
So is the Epstein excrement storm.
I sent this email to Eric, Don Jr., and Lara:
“No one on our side is buying the DOJ story about Epstein acting alone.
Nor are many of his enemies. They are making hay of it as we speak.
Your father and father-in-law is being badly hurt by those advising him on this.
Epstein was a government operation, the feds destroyed records to protect powerful sexual predators, he acquired great wealth, and if he was trafficking girls, they weren’t only for him and Prince Andrew.
The elephant in the room is the fact that Ghislaine Maxwell is in prison on sex trafficking convictions. She had to be obtaining girls for multiple debauched influential males and females to be locked up that long.
Ghislaine’s life is protected by her European family and her connections and her own pile of incriminating evidence stashed where the feds can’t lose it, errr, destroy it.
Another is the fact that Epstein’s properties were raided and items were seized. They are claiming the only “evidence” was child porn films. At the very least, the feds should be hiring more marshals and going out to rescue these children. If they are overseas, then pressure should be placed on those countries whose people are harboring the children and their abusers.
And the feds and NY and FL people didn’t find any paperwork, names, electronic media with contacts? To quote Joe Biden: “C’mon, man!”
Another is the JP Morgan banking subpoenaed info. The Trump Administration could include a mean little proviso in the tariff package to threaten all nations who took Epstein’s money in their banks to disclose it or face tariff punishment. Looking at you, Switzerland, and some of the Caribbean Islands.
Still another is the hit on Virginia Giuffre. She was murdered in Western Australia earlier this year.
The feds have had Epstein’s client list since 2019.
And Alan Dershowitz is coming forward.
So many of your father and father-in law’s loyal people are coming out of the woodwork to attack the ridiculous statements made by Pam Bondi and Bongino on this case.
Any prosecutor who is worth a damn could force the truth out about who abused Epstein’s girl slaves.
Ironically, your father and father-in-law banned Epstein from his resorts for trying to seduce a teenage girl. And Epstein’s victims’ lawyers said Mr. Trump was the only one named in connection with Epstein who co-operated with them instead of lawyering up. We know Mr. Trump is innocent.
Against a backdrop of prosecutor corruption that is at least a century old (starting with the protection mobsters were able to buy in the courts in the 1920s, and stretching thru the Cold War era in which many top US government officials escaped espionage and treason charges, and the the murders of JFK and RFK and Martin Luther King and the related FBI and LBJ coverups, to the Bushes’ attacks on Ronald Reagan, to the Clintons’ escapes from prosecution for rape and dealing in government secrets and trade sellouts, to the Deep State lawfare attacks and assassination attacks on your father and father-in-law and the open revolt of thousands of federal payrollers, he is in danger of losing credibility and support from many of the people who love him and support him.
Your father and father-in-law is getting terrible advice by self-serving insiders if he drops the idea of investigating those who used the girls Jeffrey Epstein provided.
We only hope this apparent minimizing of the Epstein case is another misdirection tactic that will result in prosecutions of all the guilty. The girls deserve for President Trump and his people to be their avengers. That will permanently discredit the Deep State and those who slander him daily. More importantly, it will do much to start to re-establish faith in the administration of justice in this country.”
Please, Treepers, check in with Trump’s people.
Send him this Sundance article …. and if you have donated to Mr. Trump or volunteered for him, say so. You care about him and love him for his work for this nation. Sundance, Menagerie, Ad Rem, and us peons of Treeper Nation can steel him for this effort.
Maquis says: All roads lead to Langley.
From there you need a boat to finish the job.
Since its inception no president has had control over “our USIC”.
We saw BoJo stop peace 2 years ago.
Perhaps the approach is to lay blame where it belongs.
Until the reveal that the world runs more like a James Bond movie plot…Think Spectre…
There will always be nefarious city-state forces behind the scene manipulating everyone, including us.
(Maquis: With your permission, I would like to make a shirt with your quote. What size should I send to you?)
Excellent idea.
Choice
Confrontation
Catastrophe
These are the 3 C’s of change.
Something has to break and impact the IC deeply.
Didn’t the Supreme Court just rule that the President has power to fire those in the IC/ Deep state?
Keep heads on a swivel, pray for PDJT.
Excellent essay, Sundance. Thank you.
It’s not only a battle against the US IC, but Five Eyes, the Democommunist Party that will fully support the IC, the GOPe Unipaty cucks remaining silent, more vocal GOP allies like Tom Cotton, and the media propaganda arm of the IC.
A battle unlikely to be won without divine intervention.
This situation is I think an example of how halving the federal government has more positive benefits than negative. Disassemble Education and send its functions elsewhere, some to be ended, properly. Half the FBI can still get its real work done. Half the CIA should be enough, seems much of it is busy in adventures that are illegal and improper. Same with Justice. Labor, Transportation, EPA, SBA, Interior, summon the heads to show how they would function with half the agency. Only Defense might escape this, but then only at the expense of another agency much less important or productive.
And that is the point I would leave you with – we deserve a productive government, a return on our investment, taxes/fees/etc. And it starts with right-sizing. Business does this, setting the labor force at the necessary level and no more, setting production to that which is essential and profitable. Government profits us when it serves us properly. An IC run amok is not serving us. Slash it. Even if a third of the government is cut to the bone, the rest can be cut back to the necessary. And we need not cut taxes further, we need to pay down the debt after this.
And, finally, I am MAGA. I will give Trump time to do this, and work locally to ensure he gets another Congress to make it possible.
https://www.kunstler.com/p/flux-rules
James Howard Kunstler must be reading Sundance’s blogs.
JHK’s Friday blog uses very similar wording to this current post by Sundance.
Good to see more than one site stating the obvious.
This is the existential crisis facing the nation.
The Clintons never let friend or foe stand between them and their quest for money. Suicided or died tragically.
The traitors Brennan, Comey and Wray need to be hung from lampposts. Trump is too good a man to do so.
As Sundance said, it’s going to be unavoidably ugly to solve this. As a nation, do we have the stomach for it?
Cannot the the people not following orders be terminated (fired)?
Surely Trump has a SS praetorian guard to protect him through the few weeks needed to take control.
What if we left NATO? Then the US wouldn’t be in a proxy war with Russia. Europe would be going it all on their own. The IC would be out on their own. I’d be interested in hearing Sundance tease all the implications out of that option.
What people don’t realize… is how far these crapheads will go to protect themselves.
When presented with the choice of being completely exposed or starting a hot war with Russia that could escalate to nuclear quickly… they would choose the war without hesitation.
That’s the kind of ignorance and depravity we are talking about