BUMPED Due to Importance:
Following a series of FOIA lawsuits, memos from conversations between Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin and former US President George W. Bush have been released online by the National Security Archive. [Original Source Here]
I know it’s Christmas, but bookmark or review as time allows, because the content is very interesting and very important. As early as 2001 and 2008, President Putin clearly told President Bush of his opposition to Ukraine’s accession to NATO, along with other key positions.
Despite what popular media might say, these are NOT full transcripts. Rather, they are memos containing quotes from both leaders as they discuss geopolitical relations between the U.S. and Russia. [SOURCE HERE]
♦ June 16, 2001 – Memorandum of Conversation. Subject: Restricted Meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin. [LINK HERE] In this first personal meeting at the Brno Castle in Slovenia Vladimir Putin and George W. Bush express respect for each other and desire to establish a close relationship. Putin tells Bush about his religious beliefs and the story of his cross that survived a fire at his dacha. In a short one-on-one meeting they cover all the most important issues of U.S.-Russian relations such as strategic stability, ABM treaty, nonproliferation, Iran, North Korea and NATO expansion. Bush tells his Russian counterpart that he believes Russia is part of the West and not an enemy, but raises a question about Putin’s treatment of a free press and military actions in Chechnya. Putin raises a question of Russian NATO membership and says Russia feels “left out.” [READ MEMO HERE]
♦ September 16, 2005: Document 2 – Memorandum of Conversation. Subject: Vladimir Putin, President of the Russian Federation: [LINK HERE] Putin meets the U.S. President in the Oval Office for a plenary that covers mainly issues of nonproliferation and U.S.-Russian cooperation on Iran and North Korea. The conversation shows impressively close positions on Iran and North Korea, with Putin presenting himself as an eager and supportive partner. Bush tells Putin “we don’t need a lot of religious nuts with nuclear weapons” referring to Iran. Putin said that Ukraine’s accession to NATO would, in the long term, create a field of conflict between Russia and the United States, adding that internal divisions within Ukraine could lead to its fragmentation. [READ MEMO HERE]
♦ April 6, 2008 – Document 3: Memorandum of Conversation. Subject: Meeting with President of Russia [LINK HERE] This is the last meeting between Putin and Bush, taking place at Putin’s residence in Bocharov Ruchei in Sochi on the Black Sea. The tone is strikingly different from the early conversations, where both presidents pledged cooperation on all issues and expressed commitment to strong personal relationship. This meeting takes place right after the NATO summit in Bucharest where tensions flared about the U.S. campaign for an invitation to Georgia and Ukraine to join NATO. Turning to conversations in Bucharest, Putin states his strong opposition to NATO membership for Ukraine and Georgia and says that Russia would be relying on anti-NATO forces in Ukraine and “creating problems” in Ukraine “all the time,” because it is concerned about “threat of military bases and new military systems being deployed in the proximity of Russia.” Surprisingly, in response, Bush expresses his admiration for the Russian president’s ability to present his case: “One of the things I admire about you is you weren’t afraid to say it to NATO. That’s very admirable. People listened carefully and had no doubt about your position. It was a good performance.” [READ MEMO HERE]
2001 – Putin raises a question of Russian NATO membership and says Russia feels “left out.”
As noted by The Islander (Via Twitter) – “The 2001 Memo That Should Have Ended the Cold War 2.0 and Instead Helped Write the Preface to Ukraine. There are documents that don’t merely record history, they expose it. This is one of them.
June 2001. A “restricted meeting” between President George W. Bush and President Vladimir Putin. Not a podium performance, not a television soundbite, not a speech crafted for domestic applause. A private conversation, the place where empires are supposed to speak plainly, where leaders test ideas that could reroute decades.
And what does the memo show?
Putin raises the idea that Russia could eventually join NATO. He says Russia feels “left out” by NATO enlargement. He points to an older fact most Western publics were never meant to internalize: the Soviet Union applied to join NATO in 1954. He argues the reasons for rejection no longer apply. He suggests, almost clinically, that perhaps Russia could be an ally — “European and multi-ethnic,” comparable in character to the United States.
Read that again slowly.
Because the propaganda version you’ve been fed for years requires amnesia: it requires you to believe Russia woke up one morning and decided to be “a threat,” as if geopolitics is a mood swing and security architecture is irrelevant.
But here is the declassified record: Russia was probing for an exit ramp. A pathway into a shared system. A new security architecture. A post–Cold War settlement that could have turned the 1990s from a hollow victory lap into a durable peace.
And it didn’t happen.
Not because it was impossible. Not because Russia “never wanted it.” Not because “the West tried everything.”
It didn’t happen because NATO, as an institution, does not know how to live without a frontier. It does not know how to justify itself without an adversary. It does not know how to maintain internal cohesion without a map that points east and says: there.
The 1954 Ghost: the offer the West never wanted to remember
The most important part of this memo is not the 2001 line, but the 1954 reference.
Because it collapses the morality play.
If the Soviet Union, a state the West defined as the existential enemy, floated the notion of joining NATO in 1954, that means something profound: the idea of Russia being inside the European security architecture is not a “Putin-era trick.” It is a recurring historical proposal, returning whenever Moscow believes there may be a rational way to avoid permanent confrontation.
And what happened then? It was refused.
Which is exactly the point: NATO was never simply a “defensive alliance.” Even in 1954, It was a structure. A protection racket. A way to organize Europe under an American strategic roof and to keep it there. If Russia enters that roof as an equal, the architecture changes. Budgets decrease, with less money for the MIC. Threat perceptions change. The entire postwar hierarchy changes.
So the West did what empires do when presented with a peace that would reduce their leverage:
It smiled, took notes, and kept moving.
“Join NATO” was never a plea, it was a test.
Some people still misunderstand the early Putin posture. They interpret it as naivete, or worse, submission.
Wrong.
This was not Russia begging to be absorbed. The consistent theme in contemporaneous accounts is conditionality, that Russia could consider joining if treated as an equal partner, but not as a defeated province invited into the emperor’s club after proving it can submit.
That distinction matters.
Because it reveals the real incompatibility:
•Russia wanted a security system where it is a partner of European security, not an object to be managed.
•The Atlantic system wanted Russia as a managed periphery, permanently “integrating,” permanently reforming, permanently conceding, never truly sovereign in security decisions.
You can’t fuse those visions. One side must yield.
So the Atlantic system chose the only thing it has ever really chosen, expansion.”
A quarter century has passed since that original outreach by Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin in 2001. It was rejected by President George W Bush and all presidents thereafter. In 2025, we are in the phase of consequence.
This public release just happened on December 23, 2025.
Perhaps, just perhaps, this release can change the conversation in the United States. Perhaps, just perhaps, President Trump, Secretary Rubio and Emissary Witkoff can reverse the course, and change the arc of history toward peace and a strategic alliance.
The timing of the release inspires hope, but the opposition to peace is extreme.
Follow the Money
The release of the Bush-Putin memos, alongside the Parnell Report, confirms that the pivot from Afghanistan to Ukraine was a portfolio upgrade for the Military-Industrial Complex (MIC) and the Club (the American/Euro managerial class).
NATO is a self-perpetuating system that cannot survive without an adversary. By maintaining the ‘Open Door’ policy for NATO membership despite 20 years of warnings from Putin (documented in the 2008 Sochi Memo), the Club ensured a state of permanent friction.
In August 2021, the MIC faced a $45 billion annual revenue hole from the Afghan withdrawal. Afghanistan was a lost-lost war: high-cost but low-tech (MRAPs and small arms).
A March 12, 2021, memo from Jake Sullivan (found in the Parnell Report) ordered the reallocation of strategic luxuries from Afghanistan to the Eastern Flank.
The system traded desert police-work for an industrial-scale attrition war in Europe. This moved the demand signal from low-margin trucks to high-margin silicon: HIMARS, Patriot systems, and F-16s.
As of late 2025, total Ukraine appropriations have hit $187 billion. However, this is largely a U.S. military modernization program in disguise.
The U.S. sends decades-old legacy’equipment (M113s, early Bradleys) to Ukraine, clearing what one could call dead inventory. Nearly $120 billion stays in the U.S. to pay contractors (Lockheed, RTX, General Dynamics) to build brand-new, state-of-the-art replacements for American forces.
The taxpayer pays to refresh the U.S. arsenal while the Club markets it as a moral crusade.
As the Miami Peace Talks progress this Christmas, the system is already pivoting. Peace in Ukraine is only profitable now because the MIC has identified its next trillion-dollar market, China and the Pacific which requires s even higher-margin tech, nuclear submarines, AI-driven drone swarms, and quantum-ready missile shields.
The 2026 Pacific Deterrence Initiative is designed to replace the Ukraine revenue stream, ensuring the MIC never faces a wind down.
Footnote: Each new member that joined NATO had to upgrade to NATO-American equipment creating r profit for MIC.
re: “Each new member that joined NATO had to upgrade to NATO-American equipment creating r profit for MIC.”
I suppose for a first-read by a novitiate this could be concluded, whereas working with the OTHER forces in NATO might REQUIRE upgrade to the comms equipment at a minimum. Sometimes the requirements are NOT so nefarious.
Nazi NATO should have been disbanded when its “opponent” the Warsaw Pact was dissolved.
Asking Ukraine Protestor If HOMELESS MAN Can Have Money
Good Job, Alex. Expose the degenerate phony democrats!
MIC encourages new memebers knowing it will require new equipment sales?
Doesn’t seem far fetched to me after all I have learned over the past 20 yrs or so.
“Nefarious” or not, such upgrades are no less profitable.
Signed,
A second-read novitiate.
Why am I not surprised? I’d be surprised if that was NOT the case.
SPIT!!!
Good summary, always thought the ridiculous, “leaving $80B+ of US military equipment in Afghanistan” was just the kenyan gifting his besties in the muz brohood $80B+ of top grade military equipment. Can see there might have been far broader motivations for that ignorance.
They didn’t leave Afghanistan because the war was unwinnable, they left because they had already they had already made a strategic shift to the eastern front long before the last C-17 left the tarmac in Afghanistan.
obviously, that 80B+ military equipment solidifies nato’s job security… Arming the Islamist was treason.. furthermore after 911 the person in gov who proclaimed islam is the religion of peace.. GWB, should also be tried for treason.
The USA is so FU it will take Military Tribunals to fix it.
I thought Trump’s “recover every screw, every 2×4, every scrap….” was the way to go. Looking back, it was the MICs way of upgrading. We need new stuff because we left our old stuff behind — like a 5 year old. A continual black hole for OUR money.
“was just the kenyan gifting his besties in the muz brohood” Put so perfectly!
And pallets of cash lightbringer sent…
You are so right. Without an adversary, NATO wouldn’t exists. We need to get out now. I am sick and tired to hear Russia, Russia, Russia while our enemies are the media, congress, the judiciary and the democrats – the enemy within. A very good source (I don’t want to reveal it) told me back in the 1970s : one day, the US will be together with Russia against China. We are almost there. The Ukraine and NATO are in the way. Correct me if I am wrong.
You forgot one of our worst enemies – the RINOS.
If it weren’t for their complicity with those others you mentioned, true Conservatives could have a fighting chance to reign in the evil that seeks to destroy us.
Instead they make speeches, send strongly worded letters, distract us with promises, and sell us out behind our back.
I’d much rather face an open enemy than a treacherous “friend.”
Much safer.
It’s the death wish of nwo to destroy the USA at any cost…
Pray that Putin and President Trump can make it happen…
A lot of people within the USA boarders will need to be tried for
treason…
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Pray that Our Lord grants us the gift of His Peace!
Thank you Sundance. Those transcripts vindicate a specific position I had for quite awhile, although on another slightly related historic track.
Thanks for presenting this!
It is a great antidote to those who present Putin as Hitler 2.0.
Putin never been Hitler. He never set for world domination or to reestablish the Soviet Union But he is a liar authoritarian and not a good god guy. So is Zelensky so are most global players.
Putin in his own words wants a fully reunified Russia a way to gain back what was lost when the Soviet Union collapsed. He’s not Hitler but he’s still very much a pos.
wow
let all defer to your assessment of someone who you have never met and about whose actions you read about in msm.
I’ve said it before and I’ll point it out again, propaganda (MSM) has a strong influential effect upon those who do not recognize it for what it is. Perhaps FrankD66’s post reiterates that point!?!
The administration needs to form an alliance with Russia, cause it to join NATO and instruct NATO to accept it and if they don’t, we leave NATO and form a new alliance with Russia and the Western hemisphere countries.
Christian U.S., Christian Russia and Christian Latin American countries can be powerful allies. Much better than the Islam / Zionist / EU / WEF / UN totalitarian 3rd world shithole importing clown show we have to deal with now.
Ditto that.
A US/Russia alliance is a counter-weight to China. A China/Russia alliance is an existential threat.
Izakly!
The chance of Putin turning on China and forming an alliance with the USA, is less than the chance of the Pacific Ocean boiling over.
How about cutting the BS and trying an open honest No corrupt NEO-CON type typ eof relationship with Russia? Save lots of $ and lives.
Save money instead of wasting it on new weapons?/sarc
Perfectly expressed! And I wholeheartedly agree! Thanks.
Christian Latin American countries run by the cartel and socialists like Maduro?
No like El Salvador’s Bukele.
Better to extricate the US from NATO, extricate Russia from the SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization,) then the US and Russia can form our own alliance.
Most NATO “allies” excepting but a handful are consistently in opposition to the USA anyway. NATO has turned itself into the alliance of globalists.
With the US out of NATO, Russia would no longer be driven into the arms of China. The Sino-Russian alliance is unequal and unnatural for Russia. But with NATO at their doorstep Russia had no other good option.
NATO was established as an alliance of Globalists.
Same as the UN.
Same as the League of Nations.
Nice Mrs Sunshine!!!
Hey Mrs S, you’re reading my posts. We can leave the EU, the middle east, and Africa to their lame DEI socialist ideas. A trade alliance between Greenland, Canada, the US, and South America, that includes Asia and Russia would be much more in our interests than making sure we get BMW’s.
To your first point about Russia in NATO, if they don’t accept it then NATO/EU have shown they really don’t want peace or security. Trump could then rename the EU the “New” USSR, Union of Soft Socialist Rabble.
A decent theoretical plan, however, there could be problem regarding the statement: “…and Christian Latin American countries can be powerful allies”. Liberation theology a/k/a communism/socialism is an ideology that has taken hold in parts of Latin America.
I imagine congress will do everything possible to stop this.
We need Trump for a third term.
The problem is this conversation like the “Russia bad Putin bad” conversation is missing nuance.
Putin in his own words wants to reclaim former Russian land as Russian. Not to reestablish the Soviet Union like neocons say but to reclaim Russian land.
He’s not some benevolent man while he’s said one thing to the west he’s actively done the opposite. I hate the bush era European neocon foreign policy. I can’t stand Zelensky either but Putin is a shark, he’s not some peacenick, he’s intentionally interfered to make the western hemisphere worse in Venezuela and invaded Russian border countries on extremely spurious charges.
Putin says one thing and does another no different than bush
OK, now do the west interfering in Europe I’ll wait.
interfering everywhere.
I pretty clearly stated how much I revile the western neocon establishment. I’m saying Putin is also bad
If given the choice between China, Europe and Russia as an ally, my choice is Russia.
I trust China and the EU as far as I can throw them, which is not very far! When I was in the business world, I had to deal with the Chinese and some European countries. They were obnoxious, untrustworthy, liars and the EU I had to deal with thought they were better than any other country and more intelligent and cultured! They were cultured alright, like curdled milk or cream. this is just my humble opinion, but it is from first hand experience.
But, as always, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and this is what makes the USA so special to me and others. God bless the USA!
“Putin in his own words wants to reclaim former Russian land as Russian.”
Suppose he does.
What difference does that make to the U.S.?
Prior to the establishment of the Soviet Union, I don’t think Americans cared all that much about the extent of the Russian empire, or its political organization.
Americans were more worried about what was going on in America.
Something radical has happened to direct American’s attention to what is going on in Eastern Europe, and I think most of us know what that is.
It’s not. All I’m saying is Putin is also bad
And therefore……..
Yup.
But nevertheless, he’s the fella we have to deal with.
I don’t need to like a business partner in order to deal with him.
I just need him to respect me enough so that he knows he better keep his word.
I believe the land you are referring to that Putin wants to reclaim is land that supposedly is part of what is called Ukraine. This land has always been occupied mostly by Russian speaking people and prior to WW II was part of Russia. Since the end of that war, these people have been ravaged by Nazi’s. Putin has captured this area and rightly so, will never give it back. Putin is not our enemy. He is doing his best to protect Russia from people who are supposedly our allies but are definitely not. Read some history books and find out how many wars have been started in Europe since the time of Christ. A calculator will be useful.
Russia Baiters and Putin Haters
https://buchanan.org/blog/russia-baiters-putin-haters-127344
“While our tectonic plates may rub against one another, we are natural allies. The Russia of Tolstoy, Pushkin, Solzhenitsyn and the Orthodox Church belongs with the West.”
EXACTLY!
I’ve done some sorry things in my life. Likely the biggest was voting for Geo. W. Bush.
Knew it! “But here is the declassified record: Russia was probing for an exit ramp. A pathway into a shared system. A new security architecture. A post–Cold War settlement that could have turned the 1990s from a hollow victory lap into a durable peace.”
I feel same way but we would have John Or Al voting for the least rotten at the time was the only way to go.
Voting for the lesser of two evils became tiresome for Republicans and led many of them to say, why bother voting at all?
That was/is the goal. Almost every election since Reagan until 2016 was that formula.
Robert Heinlein taught me the answer to that question 60 years ago.
If you are part of a society that votes, then do so. There may be no candidates and no measures you want to vote for, but there are certain to be ones you want to vote against. In case of doubt, vote against.
Maybe we need an extra box to check(or fill in the circle) in each race.
That box/circle/choice would be-‘None of the above’. If that box gets the most votes then that triggers a new special election with all new candidates. Might prove to be quite interesting, especially when applied to primaries.
Daymn.. most excellent idea/thought.
Grew up on Heinlein.
Have a hunch your moniker is from Sherlock’s “brother” in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress?
Yep
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The more I re-read Heinlein, the better he gets. I actually re-read some of Hemingway I had to read in high school. I did not like Hemingway because I had to read it, but now….wow, he was brilliant.
Over the last 65 years I have read everything Heinlein I can find.
Most many times and yet I always find something new to think about.
He told us how to take back our country over half century ago but no one (including me) was listening.
sigh…
Perhaps I’ll take another run at Hemingway but in the past I wanted to hang myself.
And that right there is how we got Obama and Biden.
The problem was that GWB was controlled opposition and could be manipulated because he had lousy instincts. Trump has very good instincts, and he’s smarter to boot. I voted for W because the alternatives, both John Fake Kerry and Al “I invented the internet” Gore were such idiots. I did not vote for GWB in either primary.
I appreciate Orthodox Christian Russia assisting the secular government of Syria and its large Christian community from the CIA’s Al-Qaeda terrorists who told us did 9/11 and Obozo’s ISIS terrorists. The Bosnian Serbs were fighting Al-Qaeda who the war criminal “West” was backing. You all remember 9/11 and all the propaganda associated with it right? How many of our people and innocent people worldwide died because of that treason? Justice was never truly done for that.
https://buchanan.org/blog/the-mind-of-mr-putin-124130
“Unlike most U.N. speeches, Putin’s merits study. For he not only identifies the U.S. mindset that helped to produce the new world disorder, he identifies a primary cause of the emerging second Cold War.
To Putin, the West’s exploitation of its Cold War victory to move NATO onto Russia’s doorstep caused the visceral Russian recoil. The U.S.-backed coup in Ukraine that overthrew the elected pro-Russian government led straight to the violent reaction in the pro-Russian Donbas.
What Putin seems to be saying to us is this:
If America’s elites continue to assert their right to intervene in the internal affairs of nations, to make them conform to a U.S. ideal of what is a good society and legitimate government, then we are headed for endless conflict. And, one day, this will inevitably result in war, as more and more nations resist America’s moral imperialism.”
Excellent, as always.
The problem is Putin himself does exactly what he rightly accuses other countries of. What do you think he’s been doing in Venezuela for over 10 years? Same with NK and Ukraine. The difference is the neocon west and Putin have both been doing it in Ukraine
Orthodox Christian Russia was doing a heck of a job exterminating the CIA’s Al-Qaeda terrorists who we were told did 9/11 and Obozo’s ISIS terrorist mercenaries for the Clean Break hitlist that war criminal Gen Weasel Clark revealed. Unfortunately dangling Nazi NATO to Ukraine, Orthodox Christian Russia’s redline pulled them out and then the once secular Syria fell and its large Christian & other minority groups being killed and endangered.
So who was really fighting the Orwellian War On Terror, the Nazi NATO or the Orthodox Christian Serbs & Russians?
Russia was thwarting Clean Break in Syria.
Proxy conflicts are both sides playing at war without letting it effect their home turf or “get out of hand”. Would it be better if Russian made weapons were falling on the US as US weapons are falling on Russia?
No I don’t think so what I’m saying is those weapons are there already.
While the US was behaving escalatory in Ukraine especially under Biden and Obama Putin stupidly took the bait which is why those weapons are falling on Russia.
Is it a surprise that he’s doing things in Venezuela and other places that are against U.S. interests? We interfere everywhere and have been hostile to Russia since the end of the cold war. Of course he’s going to try to thwart us. Neither side has clean hands. And I’d prefer secular Assad leading Syria than the ISIS militants we installed.
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Good stuff, Colkitto.
With regard to the potential for Russia to pivot away from china and toward the Christian Americas, it’s interesting to think of how such a pivotal move might affect the balance of power in china and beyond.
I’d love to know Mr. Putin’s thoughts on the persecution and subjugation of the millions of Chinese Christians presently being inflicted on them by the CCP.
Morning Ma,
Pat Buchanan has written about that. Orthodox Christian Russia is our natural ally, Liberal totalitarian China, not so much. Our enemies within loved the Liberal insane asylum Soviet Union but hate Orthodox Christian Russia.
Pat Buchanan and an America First Foreign Policy
https://kirkcenter.org/reviews/pat-buchanan-and-an-america-first-foreign-policy/
“One consequence of NATO expansion, Buchanan predicted, would be the formation of a “strategic partnership” between China and Russia, effectively undoing the brilliant triangular diplomacy of the Nixon administration which exploited Sino-Soviet political divisions to America’s benefit. Buchanan’s observation here was geopolitics 101: American security depended on the geopolitical pluralism of Eurasia. Yet, the Clinton administration seemed oblivious to this possibility. It moved ahead with the first round of NATO expansion and set in motion a process that added 14 more countries to the alliance, including Albania, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Montenegro, Slovenia, Croatia and North Macedonia. America’s nuclear guarantee eventually was extended to all of those nations. And in 2007-2008, the George W. Bush administration talked about inviting Georgia and Ukraine into the alliance. “
The filthy, whoring clintons have been nothing if not consistent in selling out US interests at every money-grubbing opportunity they could/can create for themselves.
Thank goodness the Georgians have remained wise enough to tell the alliance just where they can shove their nato invitations. So far, anyway. I hope they stand firm.
Amazing… thank you!
Wow. Just…wow. I will have to read this several times to absorb it all. I had no idea any of this had taken place. This changes my whole outlook on the Cold War and current events.
Thank you Sundance for putting it out there in common language.
“Not About Nato” | “Never About NATO” | “Nothing to Do With NATO” | UKRAINE WAR
I listened to a broadcast and this video was mentioned as a propaganda type production…so I went to watch it(of course)…
The little man should be ashamed of himself for flaunting the whole atmosphere of his message with Christmas decorations, lighting, and music that the Ukrainian people do not have available. They are living in a cold winter without heat, water, gas, electricity, and the supply lines for the military are nonexistent. Yet the little Zman looks rather toasty as he reads his lines. 😛
Im providing the transcript, just because it might sound like a former leader of some country that was involved in war and trying to encourage the nation to just hold on a bit longer while ‘negotiations’ are being worked out.
Delusion of the facts is not the way and I find him very insensitive to his nations needs,
while he flies around the world holding out his grifting hand out to the world.
When the Zman says he wants peace, you can betcha he is talking bout piece!!!
Transcript:
Dear Ukrainians!
Tonight is a very special evening – Christmas Eve.
It is a unique time, filled with a special spirit,
with its own special magic for all of us.
Because this evening is truly about all of us.
About everything that makes Ukrainians who we are.
It is love for our home, our roots, and our traditions.
It is the happiness of the whole family gathering around one table –
finally meeting, embracing one another,
and asking each other, “How are you?”
All of this has always been an inseparable part of our Christmas.
But for the fourth year in a row –
the fourth year of the full-scale war for independence –
there have been attempts to take all of this away from us.
And this is exactly what we are defending today:
our land, our families, that longed-for feeling of peace
and calm in our own home.
When we are warm.
When we have a delicious meal.
When we are together.
And despite everything, we are together today as well.
And that is how it will be today, because it does not matter
whether we are apart or face to face – Ukrainians…
Ukrainians are together.
And no one can take that feeling away from us.
It is this feeling that gives us hope, gives us all this,
and helps us endure – despite everything.
We mark Christmas in a difficult time.
Sadly, not all of us are at home this evening.
Sadly, not everyone still has a home.
And sadly, not everyone is with us tonight.
But despite all the suffering that russia has brought,
it is not capable of occupying or bombing what matters most.
That is our Ukrainian heart, our faith in one another, and our unity.
And that is why millions of us will wait for the first star in the sky tonight.
In the skies over Kyiv and Zakarpattia,
Odesa or Kupyansk – wherever we may be.
Ukrainians are together tonight – marking Christmas on the same date,
as one big family.
Without a doubt, the times of war have changed us.
And what matters now is not so much how we decorate our home,
but how we defend it.
And it hardly matters what dishes are on the table –
what matters is who is at the table.
And that those who are defending us right now and cannot be nearby,
cannot be at home, are still in touch.
That we can hear their voice, even if only for a minute,
and receive the most precious message of all: “I’m okay.”
And joy today comes not from bright illuminations,
but simply from light – the light in our homes and the light within us.
And we are happy when we hear the music of Christmas,
but even more so when we do not hear the music of evil –
when we do not hear drones and missiles flying overhead.
On the eve of Christmas, the russians once again
showed who they truly are.
Massive shelling, hundreds of “shaheds,” ballistic missiles,
Kinzhal strikes – everything was used.
This is how the godless strike.
This is how those act who have absolutely nothing in common
with Christianity or with anything human.
But we are holding on.
We support one another.
And today, we pray for everyone on the front line –
that they return alive.
For all those in captivity – that they come home.
For all our fallen heroes who defended Ukraine
at the cost of their lives.
For everyone whom russia has driven
into occupation and forced to flee.
For those for whom it is hard, but who have not lost Ukraine
within themselves – and therefore Ukraine will never lose them.
Today we stand shoulder to shoulder.
We will not lose our way in the darkness.
Whether in person or in our thoughts,
we will wish one another well, we will embrace
and warm one another, call our parents, kiss our children,
hold our loved ones tight – and, of course, remember –
remember all our people.
And as long as all of this lives in our hearts,
as long as the human being lives within us, as long as our faith –
and this simple, yet powerful human desire to live –
has not gone out, no evil stands any chance.
And further proof of this are our wonderful children,
who these days gather together, dress up in different costumes,
and go out – just as it was done before –
to bring people the joyful news: the birth of the Son of God.
And just as before, we open our doors and open our hearts,
and we preserve our traditions;
and just as before, we all sing our carols together.
And it is so important and so precious that all of this has endured –
that it has not vanished, not been erased, not forgotten –
that it continues and lives on.
And as long as this goes on, we have not vanished,
life will prevail, and Ukraine will be preserved.
Dear people,
Since ancient times, Ukrainians have believed that,
on Christmas night, the heavens open.
And if you tell them your dream, it will surely come true.
Today, we all share one dream.
And we make one wish – for all of us.
“May he perish,” each of us may think to ourselves.
But when we turn to God, of course, we ask for something greater.
We ask for peace for Ukraine.
We fight for it.
And we pray for it.
And we deserve it.
That every Ukrainian family may live in harmony.
That every Ukrainian child may rejoice in a gift, smile,
and preserve that so very important childlike faith
in goodness and in miracles.
That the eyes of our children, the eyes of our parents,
our loved ones, our families may finally stop crying.
That goodness and truth may prevail.
That there may be a victory of peace.
That there may be us.
And that there may be Ukraine.
And, inevitably, the day when everyone gathers at home
in the first peaceful year, at a peaceful Christmas,
and says to one another: “Christ Is Born! Glorify Him!”
I congratulate all of you on the holiday, dear Ukrainians!
To each and every one of you,
I wish a happy Christmas, delicious kutia,
and, of course, peace for us all!
Take care of yourselves, take care of your families,
take care of our Ukraine!
Christ Is Born! Glorify Him!
He’s outrageously disgusting.
In July of 2023 he signed a law making the Ukraine’s Christmas holiday on December 25.
Before that the Ukraine celebrated their Orthodox Christmas holiday on January 7.
0.o
you will know them by their works
Ukraine is over 72% Orthodox.
They don’t celebrate Christmas until January 7th.🎄✝️
🤦♀️ 🤦♀️ 🤦♀️ 🙄 🙄 PR stunt by the little green gnome.
Jeez…only the ignorant don’t know this 🤪
The Franciscan and Gregorian calendar… 🤷♀️ 🤦♀️ 🤦♀️ 🤷♀️ 🤷♀️
One of the things the Bolsheviks could not defeat….
the Orthodox faith ✝️🙏 Look at Russia now.✝️👏
They murdered thousand + priest, burned down churches
and murdered 50 Million Christians.💔
Zelensky moved fast with attacking the Orthodox Church.
Treepers are aware of this. Well documented.
I’m with you, maw. I ain’t buyin’ anything the little z is selling.
I’ve come to think he’s one of the most corrupt creatures on two legs.
Next to Hill dog and the grifter race preachers.
Yep.
Right up there with the trans pushers.
John 8:44
A most appropriate scripture to describe this evil individual. Thank you
I am surprised that a lightening bolt did not come down and strike him dead where he stands. The unmitigated gall to say all this while his people suffer so and he is comfortable with his stolen billions!
I am trying very hard to not call him a bunch of ugly names, but it is so difficult! Suffice it to say, he is the epitome of sleaziness, perversion and all that is evil in this world! When I see any photos of him, I just want to punch his disgusting face.
May I point out a statement that makes a point I have tried to make here several times.
“Only dire need could make us allied with others.”
This is for all of those who condemn Russia for befriending China.
The Soviet proposal in 1954 has been written about extensively and was proposed as a win win situation, with both outcomes designed to advance Soviet political objectives, one being the portrayal of the West as the aggressor, the other the stopping of the remilitarisation of Germany, as this 2016 article briefly summarises.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/fact-russia-pitched-the-idea-joining-nato-1954-18737
Having lived, for a short while, behind the Iron Curtain and experienced a comparatively benign form of Communism be careful about portraying that system of government as anything but a brutal and incompetent attempt to stifle the will of the people it held ‘captive’. Two years after the proposal to join NATO the Russians were engaged in the bloody suppression of Hungary, barely a decade after it was Czechoslovakia’s turn to feel the iron diplomacy of the Politburo.
Don’t also forget that the Cold War benefitted hugely the Soviet Union as it shielded its technologically decrepit industrial base from Western completion, and allowed the justification for massive conscription that allowed the surveillance and control of the key demographic that is likely to cause problems for authoritarian governments, young adult males. The exact same reason why there has been a decades long effort by the DS to remove, or stigmatise the genetic properties of masculinity, which has naturally mutated into the elevation of the trans-movement which blurs the distinction between genders.
There also is a cautionary note, this could be a plan to portray the MAGA movement, and by extension President Trump as soft on Russia and prone to believing their propaganda, in preparation for the inevitable ending of the Ukraine War next year. This then would form a springboard for a DS narrative shaping operation that that country was betrayed by the Administration and a Russia x 3 effort, exploited by the UniParty in the run up to the Mid-Terms.
“NATO, as an institution, does not know how to live without a frontier.”
Excellent observation. Without an adversary NATO, has no raison d’être, and without an enemy, will inevitably become a force for evil. Just like a good working dog, when not given tasks, it will become “self employed”. Belgian(and any other kind of shepherd) owners will understand what I mean…
For a sizeable part of my life I was viewing NATO from the inside, outwards. Was completely onboard with the mission, right up to 1999, when I started asking myself the right questions.
NATO has become a great danger to the world.
A perfect example is all of their war crimes in the Balkans against the Orthodox Christian Serbian people, WWII Holocaust victims, and our old friends and allies.
🙂 1999
Alex Stein’s Best UKRAINE Trolls Compilation
~~SPIT~~
Mr. Lavrov must have lost a bet having to share a photo with Kerry in it
Psaki is quite the idiot wearing a Soviet Union hat. She was the laughinstock of Russia during her stupid act.
An absolutely perfect physical specimen…😂😂😂love our President Trump.🇺🇸🦅❤️
This analysis may be suffering from rose-tinted glasses. Putin’s treatment of a free press and military actions in Chechnya seem like they were deal-breakers. But I agree even without those two deal-breakers, NATO wasn’t really interested in having Russia as a member, since it was more interested in containing the inherent threat that their power and presence represented.
Hoo boy as my cousin often says. Bill Clinton, that wonder of wonders, as I recall, along with the firm G.S., for good or for ill (snark) created “loans” to the USSR. The terms of which were impossible to meet and thereby destroyed the USSR.
Everybody knows (as in the Leonard Cohen song), the US politico’s have had a Russia Derangement Syndrome ever since Nikita Khrushchev slammed his shoe on a table.
Here’s to finding a cure to this insanity.
A 17-year warning revealed. Newly declassified transcripts show Putin told President Bush in 2008 that Ukraine was an “artificial country” and warned NATO membership would spark long-term confrontation, offering a stark glimpse into the roots of today’s war.
https://nitter.poast.org/Osint613/status/2004212420403957863#m
Ukraine is a made up Soviet Republic.
The far Western part was under Austria from 1772 to 1919 and was called Galicia. There was a failed Ukrainian Republic post WWI (1919 to 1921). It was never a Sovereign Country and the borders were different. Poland ended up with what was Galicia up to WWII. Germany gained control for a time during WWII and post WWII it became part of the Soviet Union.
The rest of the made up Soviet Republic of Ukraine was under the Russian Empire up to WWI and the Soviet Union post the failed Ukraine Republic.
George W. Bush is somewhere on the autisitic spectrum. He and Obama were both morons. At least Clinton was intelligent (morally corrupt and evil, but still had an intellect that did not need special education to fill in the gaps).
Hopefully the Bidens, Bushes, Clintons, Obamas, Pences and all their pals/staffers/family members were vaccinated. Fingers crossed they’re all fully mRNA boosted plus extra flu shots with mercury and other contaminants. Dick Cheney and Ben Sasse are a good start. Can’t happen fast enough.
1954 was the year the Russian Soviet Federal Socialist Republic transferred Crimea to the Ukrainian counterpart republic.
we’ve been had.
bush scum.
All those years wasted and lives sacrificed on the altar of NATO at the insidious urging of the MIC and the IC. Russia is not the actual enemy, communism was and still is but that ideology no longer defines Russia. 2026 will offer either a turning point or a tipping point.
It’s a really great read.
Pat Buchanan and an America First Foreign Policy
https://kirkcenter.org/reviews/pat-buchanan-and-an-america-first-foreign-policy/
Wasn’t it James Baker that assured Russia that NATO would not advance one inch eastward?
As I commented earlier, it is not difficult to see what NATO is actually about – and it’s anything but good. This so-called alliance is preparing for the next “Grand European Military Adventure.” Unfortunately, it no longer remembers what that means.
Certainly tempering their reckless ambition would be a very small start. It would be the greatest “peacemaking” of Trump’s career.
You can learn all you need to know about the real Nazi NATO, Globalists, and the “Liberal-Uniparty” Clintyon Admin by studying their illegal and war criminal machinations in their planned demolition of Yugoslavia making the Holocaust victim and our old allies and friends the Orthodox Christian Serbian people the ‘bad’ guys, and the WWII Nazis allies the “Good guys”. Straight out of Orwell’s 1984, the opposite.
The Serbian people during Nazi NATO’s support of Ustase ethnic cleansing campaign in Krajina’s (Op Storm) were saying that there was a Nazi death camp commander living free and open in Argrentina (which was involved in illegal weapons transfers to the Ustase) Dinko Sakic which was ignored. Extraditing this Nazi would blow the Globalists-Nazi NATO’s Mockingbird media blitz out the water, so they ignored it. This showed me and many others, that the Holocaust had been politicized (much more to do with that per Roosevelt denial of Jewish refugees entry to America by Pike’s friend Roosevelt) and they really do not hate Nazis. (You can look into the Nazi recruitment into the UN/NATO/Intell Agencies etc)
There were some Jewish groups that knew the truth about WWII in the Balkans and tried to counter the Ruder Finn/Mockingbird media blitz against the Serbs, but to Israel & netanyahu’s shame they did nothing. Only Ariel Sharon to a certain extent.
It made me reassess many things in history including WWII, an important part of Pike’s theater that he outlined.
Why would any country trust Germany when they were a tad central to WWI and WWII?
So how did both become World Wars?
Obviously it was Russia’s fault.
I would say mostly the UK. In both cases the UK escalated.
In my opinion it would have been a better outcome if Germany won a war that stayed on the Continent. The UK escalated and America eventually joined in so WWI. Russia did escalate but I put more blame on the UK. Neither Germany nor Austria were evil.
What was evil was the post WWI Versailles Treaty. It gave rise to the DKP and eventually the NSDAP. Tbe NSDAP eventually came to power but Germany could have easily gone Communist like Russia. The DKP was backed by the Soviet Union.
Where we are now militarily requires us to be looking at a completely different set of tools, which I hope we are doing and this is the magician’s distraction
George W. Bush, a chip off the old block as they say.
“Free trade policies during George W. Bush’s administration are often criticized for contributing to the loss of American manufacturing jobs, as many companies outsourced production to countries with lower labor costs. This shift led to significant trade deficits and the decline of domestic manufacturing, impacting job availability in the U.S.”
Here is a picture of his dad ceremoniously signing the NAFTA agreement to offshore U.S. jobs to foreign nations, outsource U.S. work to foreign firms, and expand work visas.
https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AA1Cjakc.img?w=768&h=514&m=6&x=396&y=356&s=2335&d=393
Sundance never fails to deliver.
Thank you.
The world, and U.S. populace, awaits.
Brno Castle in Slovenia > Slovenia ? interesting choice
Pranksters got Bush to admit the US was always lying to Russia about destabilizing Ukraine. Pranked just a few years ago into fessing up.
https://rumble.com/v2eeye2-prank-with-george-bush-all-6-parts.html
In this call the pranksters were able to appear as Ukrainian dictator Zelenskyy. The target of this prank call was former Pres. George W. Bush. In the course of the several videos Pres. Bush goes on to admit that the entire ‘Ukraine never being in NATO and that Russia needn’t fear US belligerence on her border thing’ was…a lie!
“Times Change.”
Big funnies! Hilarity!
Thanks for the bump.
Can’t hate them enough! (Gonna have to go to Confession for that!)
Sorry Sundance 1954 does not imply what you say it does.
The USSR proved themselves to still be evil in 1956.
Putin may have been sincere in 2001, but the USSR was still planning on turning the world communist in 1954.
And likening the 2001 push to the insincere 1954 push was a big mistake!
How about everyone who makes ANY money from buying or selling munitions, has to serve on the direct front lines? Their children and grands as well!
The stuff in the memos is al things I’ve heard but couldn’t reference anyone to it. So this is very useful. I knew Putin asked to be invited into NATO because the USSR was dead. I’m not completely sure Putin was “testing” though. He might be a killer… he certainly was. But if he was a NATO member, he couldn’t be any worse than Turkey or some others.
But the fact that Putin’s request to not expand NATO to its border was agreed upon and then broken.
So Zelenskyy denies the terrorist attack on Putin, IF Ukraine didnt do the attack NATO did.
Now they making me very angry…
Im being sooo bad, can’t help myself…
Lol, I know it’s AI but it’s hysterical.
23 Dec, 14:35
Putin warned Bush that admitting Ukraine to NATO will lead to Russia-US confrontationThe Russian leader stressed that this would create a threat of NATO moving its military bases and various arms systems to the exact proximity to the Russian border
Excerpt:
WASHINGTON, December 23. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin warned his US counterpart, George W. Bush, back in 2008 that Washington’s intention to admit Ukraine to NATO will cause a long-term confrontation between Russia and the United States, according to declassified US government documents released by the National Security Archive, a public research organization affiliated with George Washington University in Washington, D.C.
“Now I’d like to repeat what I said to Condi and Gates (the then US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates – TASS) in Moscow on NATO enlargement. It won’t be new to you, and I don’t expect a response; I just want to say it out loud. I’d like to emphasize accession to NATO of a country like Ukraine will create for the long-term a field of conflict for you and us, long-term confrontation,” Putin was quoted as saying by the US National Security Council translators.
According to the internet search:
There are currently no NATO military bases on the territory of Ukraine, and no transfer of such bases has taken place.
According to the Ukrainian Constitution, specifically Article 17, section 7, the deployment of foreign military bases on Ukrainian soil is prohibited, although the country may host foreign troops for joint military exercises. While Ukraine has expressed aspirations to join NATO and has pursued military reforms aligned with NATO standards, it remains a non-member partner.
NATO supports Ukraine through security assistance and training programs conducted on Allied territory. The NATO Security Assistance and Training for Ukraine (NSATU) command, based in Wiesbaden, Germany, coordinates military support, including the repair and transfer of equipment to logistical hubs within the eastern part of the Alliance, though NATO is not involved in the onward delivery of aid into Ukraine itself. This effort operates under international law and aims to support Ukraine’s right to self-defense without making NATO a party to the conflict.
Thanks Sundance. Vert informative.
All MAGA is saying is give peace a chance.
Possible additional strategy for the Euro-elites is the military subjugation of Russia or part of it to offset Europe’s declining GDP and fiscal opportunities. Russia has little debt to absorb and many natural resources to exploit.
Just a reminder. It is still Christmas.
You need not have crossed out the phrase,
“I know it’s Christmas, but …”
Today, December 29th, is only the Fifth Day of Christmas. We are only getting started.
Bush was a dope. At best, he was a C student at Yale. By comparison, John Kerry got D’s. What do you expect?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/12/now-russia-accuses-ukraine-launching-massive-drone-strike/
gosh, who DIDN’T have the 3-9-1 sabotaging any peace plan on their bingo card?
Feels like we have never even tried to be friends with Russia. But we bend over backwards for Europe.
Apologies for posting this comment underneath this thread, but people need to see it.
LTG Flynn and many others want accountability. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/12/gen-michael-flynn-issues-urgent-open-letter-president/
When will this happen?
We are running out of time.
This is day 344, approaching the 12 month mark, 1 year anniversary of inauguration.
Yes, we are running out of time!
When are corrupt officials going to jail? (Wray, McCabe, Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Vindman, etc.)
When are corrupt judges going to be removed from the bench? And their corrupt ruling overturned? (Merchan, Erdogan, Barrett, Boasberg, Chutkan, etc.)
When is Tina Peters going to be exonerated?
When will there be justice?
When will there be True accountability?
We know the enemy is working tirelessly to remove Trump, by any means necessary. They are already threatening vengeance against those who stand against the deep state.
Have any of President Trump’s advisors shown him these memos and how President Putin was expressing his concerns to President Bush some 18 years before Zelensky became the Ukrainian president? This puts the conflict into a very different light to the one we get from mainstream media and the warmonger politicians and heads of state in the West.
Ukraine has been President Trump’s biggest mistake since Jan 2025 when he said it was not his war but did not tell Ukraine not a dollar more and not a single round of Ammunition but only support for real peace efforts.
EMERGENCY INTERVIEW: LARGE SCALE DRONE ATTACK ON PUTIN RESIDENCE
“UKRAINE TRIED TO KILL PUTIN – AND ROGUE CIA ELEMENTS MAY HAVE HELPED” – Fmr CIA Analyst
Russia claims Ukraine fired 91 drones at Putin’s residence, at the same time Zelensky was meeting Trump in Mar-a-Lago.
Ukraine claims this is a Russian False Flag to derail the ongoing peace negotiations
And based on Trump’s comments a few minutes ago, he seems unsure who’s saying the truth and who’s lying.
Former CIA analyst Larry Johnson breaks down Russia’s claim, and why the most likely scenario is that Ukraine, along with members of the U.S. or British intelligence, were likely behind this attack, without Zelensky’s or Trump’s approval.
Um…how could they be trying to kill Putin when the whole world knows he is in Florida with POTUS?
(This sure smells like something from cia’s private state department.)
I’m not sure that Ukraine is this stupid.