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The Ring of Truth – “I am too well accustomed to the taking of evidence not to detect the ring of truth.” 1908, Edith Wharton
Much has been made of the events of January 6, 2021, and with the latest broadcast of CCTV video from inside the Capitol Hill complex, more questions have been raised.
Within the questions: the FBI and government apparatus had advanced knowledge of the scale of the J6 mall assembly yet doing nothing? Why were the Capitol Hill police never informed of the FBI concerns? Why didn’t House Speaker Nancy Pelosi secure the Capitol Hill complex, and why did she deny the request by President Trump to call up the national guard for security support? Why did the FBI have agent provocateurs in the crowd, seemingly stimulating rage within a peaceful crowd to enter the Capitol building? There have always been these nagging questions around ‘why’?
Long time CTH reader “Regitiger” has spent a great deal of time reviewing the entire process, looking at the granular timeline and then overlaying the bigger picture of the constitutional and parliamentary process itself. What follows below is a brilliant analysis of the federal government motive to create a J6 crisis that permitted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to trigger an emergency session and avoid the 2020 election certification challenges.
Those congressional floor challenges, known and anticipated well in advance of the morning of January 6, 2021, would have formed a legal and constitutional basis for ‘standing’ in judicial challenges that would have eventually reached the Supreme Court. The certification during “emergency session” eliminated the problem for Washington DC.
Regitiger explains below, only edited by me for clarity and context:
I think most, not all, but a large number of people, are totally missing what happened; and why this happened on Jan 6th. I am going to try my best to outline the events that day, blast past the commonly held assumptions and get right down to the core corruption.
I will present this as a series of questions and answers.
♦ Q1: How do you prevent congress from delaying the certification of state electoral votes?
A: It requires a crisis. A crisis that creates an “emergency” …An “emergency” that invokes special house rules.
FACTS: Remember carefully, focus please. Just moments, literally 3 minutes before two representatives issued a vote for motions to suspend the certification, the House members were “informed” by capitol police and other “agents” that a protest was about to breach the chambers. It was at this time that key people: Pence, Pelosi, Schumer, Mcconnell can be seen being walked out and escorted from the chamber. This effectively halted the Entire Chamber Process.
♦ Q2: Why was it necessary to halt the chamber process?
A: The crisis was created to eliminate the motion challenges to halt the certification and to begin voting to look into voting irregularities and fraud
FACTS: The two motions were completely legal and constitutional under at least two constitutionally recognized procedures… procedures that would REQUIRE the house to pause the certification and then vote to determine whether the motions of suspend could move forward.
♦ Q3: What was so important to refuse this motion and the subsequent votes to suspend the electoral certification?
A: It was important to remove that process entirely and continue the fraud and certify the fraud with no detractors on record. This effectively gives no standing for a SCOTUS ruling appeal! Understand this. If those two motions, even just one had successfully been voted EVEN IF THE MOTIONS were DENIED IN VOTE, this gives those who presented them with STANDING FOR A CONSTITUTIONAL LEGAL ARGUMENT BEFORE SCOTUS.
♦ Q4: Could this have been done some other way other than creating a crisis/protest?
A: Unlikely. In order to prevent those two motions, requires that speaker of the house, minority leaders, and the president of the congress (vice president of the United States: Pence), to NOT BE PRESENT IN THE CHAMBERS.
Once the capitol police and other “law enforcements agents” informed the speaker and these three other individuals, Pelosi UNILATERALLY UNDER EMERGENCY RULES, suspended the business of the congress. This protest was necessary. The crisis was created because there is no other way to suspend the business of certification UNILATERALLY. By creating a crisis invokes emergency procedures. No other circumstances other than war or mass simultaneous explosive diarrhea can create such unilateral speaker delivered suspension of the certification.
♦ Q5: Why did the motions, once that the speaker RECONVENED congress, move forward back again to the floor for votes? Why were members disallowed to even consider putting forward ANY motions to the floor in when the chamber business was reopened?
A: The Speaker initiated the NEW sessions under special emergency rules. These rules abandon and make it clear that the ONLY purpose of the new session was to EXPEDITE the certification and dismiss all prior regular session procedural rules. This is why those two motions to table votes to consider a debate and pause to the certifications of state vote electors never happened later that evening when the house business was reconvened!
♦ Q6: Other than new rules, emergency rules, what other peculiar things occurred when the speaker reconvened?
A: Members were allowed to “vote” in proxy, remotely, not being present. You can use your imagination about what conditions were placed on ALL members during this time to prevent anyone from “getting out of line”.
Also clearly, it was at THIS NEW SESSION that VP Pence, President of Congress, would also have no ability to even consider pausing the electoral certification, because there were no motions of disagreements on the matter. So, in a technical legal claim, he is correct that he had no constitutional authority to address any issues of fraud or doubts about electoral irregularities. But this completely dismisses the FACT that congress created rules in this crisis/emergency that never allowed them to be floored!
Understand what happened in Jan 6, 2021. Don’t get hung up on Viking impostors, stolen Pelosi computers, podium heists, and complicit capitol police. Understand the process and what happened and what WAS NOT ALLOWED TO HAPPEN.
This was a coup….it was a very organized and carefully planned coup. VP Pence without a doubt as well as most members of the house were quite aware of how the certification was going to be MANAGED. It would require new rules to prevent the debate clause from occurring! New rules that ONLY AN EMERGENCY CRISIS COULD CREATE! So, they created an emergency.
•NOTED: I understand why many people have great interest in debunking the j6 event. I get that. I think it is important to dissect and examine the events of that day but please, step back and understand WHY these things happened. Examine the chain of events in congress. Why those two motions that would have at least paused the certification THAT WOULD GIVE VP PENCE THE CONSTITUTIONALLY RECOGNIZED POWER TO MOVE TO SUSPEND THE ELECTORAL CERTIFICATION AND THEN EXAMINE THE IRREGULARITIES AND CLAIMS OF FRAUD!
At the very center of this coup stands Mike Pence, the same individual who also spoiled President Trump’s first opportunities in the earlies hours of his Presidency just 4 years prior, when he created and facilitated the removal of Lt General Michael Flynn. I will not spend much time on this thread explaining why Lt Gen Flynn was so important to President Trump and why the IC was so afraid he would have advisory power to the President. That I will leave for another day, another time. But understand this clearly: MIKE PENCE WAS AND IS WORKING FOR THE MOST CORRUPT CRIMINAL TREASONOUS PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT.
•PRO TIP: If you really want to get a true understanding of this matter videos of protesters walking in the capitol is not going to address them. Actual video and timeline records of events and the specific actions taken by the speaker just moments before TWO MAJOR ELECTORAL ALTERING MOTIONS WERE ABOUT TO BE FLOORED.
This crisis was developed just in time with a precise coordination to prevent those two motions to be entered into the chamber record. The two motions do not exist. The emergency powers established in the new session made sure they never could be entered. The emergency powers could never happen without a crisis.
God Bless America!”
NOTE: “Under this scenario, the J6 pipe bombs were the insurance policy, in the event the feds couldn’t get the crowd to comply with the FBI provocations. If no one stormed the Capitol, the finding of the two pipe bombs would have then been the emergency needed to stop the process.” Which explains why the FBI has no interest in the DC pipe bomb suspects. ~ Sundance
Note from Author: “I started this effort years ago. To date, no one and I mean no one has replied. It’s as if everyone that can expose it that has a larger platform is either disinterested, or suspiciously withdrawn from the issue. I made several comments about this over the years right here at CTH, on article threads that are relevant to the topic.
I was watching the certification live that day. I recorded it ALL on every channel. I was doing this because no matter what happened that day, I KNEW IT WOULD BE A PROFOUND AND SIGNIFICANT EVENT TO REMEMBER. I never in my wildest imagination (and I have a pretty vivid imagination, always have), expected to see the unmistakable perfectly timed “coincidences” that occurred.
One member raises a motion (with another in waiting for his turn) those two motions were well known and advertised. These were motions to vote for a pause in the certification to examine electoral vote fraud and irregularities. I can’t speak to the veracity and substance of those motions. They were never allowed to even be floored. it was at that exact moment that the house chambers were suspended and 4 of the key members, Pence, Pelosi, Schumer and McConnell were escorted OUT right after initiating the end of the session.
Effectively, this resulted in that motion never being floored at all. Then, when reconvened under special emergency rules, inexplicably those two motions (and perhaps more – we will never know – or will we?) were not even attempted to be motioned. That was not just peculiar to me.
It all started to make more sense when I did some study on constitutional law AND THE HISTORY of specific special authorities given to president of the congress, Pence in this case. Not only did he have the authority and power to suspend the certification, but the duty to address the motion in the same sense that it becomes vital to the debate clause.
There really is no higher significance of weight given to the debate clause than the certification of the votes. This was more than odd to me the way that the media and pence framed their narrative: Pence would not have the constitutional power to suspend certification. Then it hit me, like the obvious clue that was there all the time. He was right. But the reason he is right, is because there WAS NO MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO CAUSE HIM TO SUSPEND!
Understanding this, happened for me about 4 or 5 months after this Jan 6 day. I took me this long to examine the facts, look at the video again, compare it to the arguments made by several leading constitutional academics, and again, inexplicably even some that I respect seemed to dodge that central reality. The motions were never allowed to be floored in the re-convened house rules later that evening. Most would not even venture to address the exotically coincidence that the moment those two members would stand to place the motion before the house, that the House Speaker Pelosi AND Pence ended the session, effectively blocking the motions from being heard in normal house rules.
It’s been a journey for me. A journey that was initiated because I am just a simple but curious person. Perhaps even to a point where I get obsessive in those efforts. Many days and nights combing over the details. praying and trying to make sense of what makes little sense. With over 6 states having serious well known and obvious defects in the voting process, some more credible to believe – some less, but one would not expect the house would be so deliberate in marching past the motions that were definitely going to be present to slow this process down and take the time to get it right. Even IF the claims never reached an intersection that would change the outcome.
There are two possibilities: Millions of people, against all the odds, hitting all-time records even past Obama and Clinton, voted for a naval gazing ambulatory pathological racist moron. And chose Joe Malarkey as their leader. Or this was a coup, a conspiracy, and a treasonous manipulation regime change because President Trump could not be controlled by the deep state and globalists who OWN AND OPERATE WASHINGTON DC.
BOTH POSSIBILITIES ARE TERRIFYING.
The only way for THE PEOPLE to gain power in this country is to force the transfer of it. If truth isn’t the fuel and vehicle, we will just be replacing deck chairs and hitting the next series of expected ice bergs.
Knowing the truth is not enough; however, it is truth that makes it a righteous cause.
God Bless America!”
Sundance provides an addendum in support:
Julie Kelly – […] Just as the first wave of protesters breached the building shortly after 2 p.m., congressional Republicans were poised to present evidence of rampant voting fraud in the 2020 presidential election. Ten incumbent and four newly-elected Republican senators planned to work with their House colleagues to demand the formation of an audit commission to investigate election “irregularities” in the 2020 election. Absent an audit, the group of senators, including Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) pledged to reject the Electoral College results from the disputed states.
The Hail Mary effort was doomed to fail; yet the American people would have heard hours of debate related to provable election fraud over the course of the day.
And no one opposed the effort more than ex-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).
During a conference call on December 31, 2020, McConnell urged his Republican Senate colleagues to abandon plans to object to the certification, insisting his vote to certify the 2020 election results would be “the most consequential I have ever cast” in his 36-year Senate career.
From the Senate floor on the afternoon of January 6, McConnell gave a dramatic speech warning of the dire consequences to the country should Republicans succeed in delaying the vote. He downplayed examples of voting fraud and even mocked the fact that Trump-appointed judges rejected election lawsuits.
“The voters, the courts, and the States have all spoken,” McConnell insisted. “If we overrule them, it would damage our Republic forever. If this election were overturned by mere allegations from the losing side, our democracy would enter a death spiral.”
Roughly six hours later, McConnell got his way. Cowed by the crowd of largely peaceful Americans allowed into the building by Capitol police, most Republican senators backed off the audit proposal. McConnell, echoing hyperbolic talking points about an “insurrection” seeded earlier in the day by Democratic lawmakers and the news media, gloated. “They tried to disrupt our democracy,” he declared on the Senate floor after Congress reconvened around 8 p.m. “This failed attempt to obstruct Congress, this failed insurrection, only underscores how crucial the task before us is for our Republic.”
Congress officially certified the Electoral College results early the next day. (read more)
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The J6 pipe bombs were the insurance policy, in the event they couldn't get the crowd to comply with the FBI provocations. If no one stormed the Capitol, the finding of the pipe bombs would have been the emergency needed to stop the process. https://t.co/JqVcGROAPN
— TheLastRefuge (@TheLastRefuge2) March 12, 2023
Top shelf work from Treeper Regitiger & Sundance. I called a few congressional House members directing them to this article. Any who want to do this just tell them to go to the conservative treehouse website and input “fedsurrection” into the search window.
Use your own version of what Treeper Snellville Bob said “Pelosi,Schumer,McCarthy, & McConnell created the crisis (J6) so they could work under emergency rules to avoid procedures that allowed dissent.” To catch their interest and as to why the congressional aid should read the article. If you want to do something to redpill congressional aides or any other people/media/local government etc etc this is a great step.
Excellent suggestion! I will contact my Rep and Senators and make that exact suggestion. I receive a myriad of letters every day and dozens of phone texts asking for money. Work for the Republic, and I will support their campaign. BTW, is the RNC still in “business”??
Only to fleece you for money to support “their candidates”.
Good Luck!
I wrote my congress critter, Jerry Carl, concerning Ukraine war and the detainment of Gonzalo Lira (US citizen) by Ukraine SBU.
No response. I went to a townhall and confronted him. He stated he did not know of State Dept. (Vic Nuland) Maidan Revolution.
More emails to his aid who gave me her business card. Still no response!
Also 3 emails to Tommy Tuberville about Gonzalo Lira.
Response to Ukraine, but no response to Gonzalo Lira part of email.
Good of you John. When I call congress, I call to inform the Aide who I talk to. My goal is to awaken the Aide, who hopefully will tell other Aides, who will tell the chief of staff and than the congressional critter. If not you are red pilling aides who will tell others. That is my goal and that is what people should expect when calling Congress.
I am so SICK of all this sh*t!
I cannot remember the exact nature / specifics of the statement that the congress-cretins issued on J6 after they reconvened in approx 2 hours or so (or whatever the relatively short time period it was) announcing they they had ‘certified’ the election, but what struck me as odd was how in such a short period of time did they produce such a lengthy and well written document (citing their Constitutional duties and obligations to the American people to “save democracy, blah blah blah”)?
The answer is obvious –
It was PRE-WRITTEN!!
And in this way, just like the so-called PATRIOT Act, which was clearly just sitting there waiting for the “right” moment.
Each party was determined to get Joe Biden in that White House at any price. I thought that Pence would have a modicum of self-preservation and at least try to keep his job, but then I learned he was a Republican. Shrug.
That is why I get great pleasure at watching Mitch McConnell turning into a jello brained rotting piece of human debris!!! Go suck on it Mitch the traitor!!! 🤬
Excellent article! I loved reading the repost again! This needs to be shared everywhere possible until we get through these tryin times!
I know PDJT reads CTH, or at least has access to it.
Anyone aware of whether or not he AND ALL his lawyers have this particular critical information?
Whoever is on Twitter, tag Alina Babba, PT’s attorney. Tag Emerald Robinson too.
Alina Habba…not Babba:)
This is the keystone that pulls the whole corrupt diseased temple down.
My two cents: (1) Who countermanded President Trump’s order for Secret Service to drive him to the Capitol when he finished his speech on the Ellipse on January 6th? (2) What Congressional staffer(s) are now assigned to Jack Smith’s Special Counsel team and were those staffers working for Congressional leadership on January 6th?
The exquisite level of seditious choreography by Pence and Pelosi means we should take another look at Ashli Babbitt.
She was escorted to the Kill Zone by John Sullivan, an ANTIFA/Spook–and her very own CNN camera crew.
All the men standing around her were ANTIFA False-Flaggots or hand-picked Capitol Police, but Crisis Actors all. Oddly, none of those Brave He-Men were first through the glass, as would have been the case in Real Life. They were to busy filming what they all knew was about to happen. It seemed like some of them were already trying to incite the crowd while the “bullet” was still in mid-flight. If you watch those videos, everyone is play-acting, and over-acting.
The Gestapo was forced to arrest Sullivan after an outcry, but he has disappeared as far as I know. This ENTIRE EPISODE has disappeared. Like the Hound That Didn’t Bark in the Night-time, there is only a Hole in the O-Zone where their should have been at some official pushback from somebody–anybody–Bueller? The lack therof speaks volumes.
I don’t believe she was a lamb led to the slaughter. That would leave far too much to chance. Pelosi and Pence needed a CERTIFIED EMERGENCY, and a woman being shot dead by Security for breaching the sanctum is the VERY DEFINITION of what they required.
You can say Babbitt was a patriotic soldier–or you can say she was an INTELLIGENCE OFFICER, used to Counter-Intelligencedeployments. Such as going away in a Witness Protection Program and receiving a new face. Reportedly, they cremated her body without permission. Sure.
They hauled her away like a sack of potatoes. And when her gurney finally came out of the bowels of Fortress Pelosi, the skinny Babbit was wearing a black girdle around her torso–identical to Hollywood stunt blood-bags.
You think it’s too fantastic to contemplate? After just reading what Pence and Pelosi did to effect a Coup? I don’t.
Not to mention how we were just attacked with VAXX/Virus Bio-Weapons our own government and their Chinese partners. Once you realize that, nothing is beyond these Monsters.
Oct. 25, 2019:
Rest in the Vine: This Narrative(tm) is Not Going to Question Itself: The Ashli Babbitt Gambit
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Everything Wrong With The Capitol Shooting In 21 Minutes Or Less | ACT 1 (bitchute.com)
Known capitol riot leader spent one day in jail while 80 others languish in ‘DC Gulag’ | News | denvergazette.com
When the Arizona Certificate of Electoral Votes was opened by Pence, and passed down to the Teller to announce the votes, since Congress certifies the Electoral College results at the federal level, the Congress counts the votes and announces them in the form of Tellers, two of whom are Senators and two of whom are Representatives. After the Teller announced the vote was for Biden in Arizona, Pence called for Objections. There was an Objection, Pence found it to be in writing and signed by at least one Senator and one Representative, so the Senate retired to their chambers to debate the Objection while the House remained in place to debate the objection. This happens because debate is not permitted in the Joint Session since the debate rules are different in House and Senate. What follows is video from that day from the Senate where Ted Cruz addressed the Senate in favor of the Objection.
It should be noted, again, that motions from the floor are limited to those of OBJECTIONS during the Joint Session.
§18. Same; parliamentary procedure at joint meeting
While the two Houses shall be in meeting as provided in this chapter, the President of the Senate shall have power to preserve order; and no debate shall be allowed and no question shall be put by the presiding officer except to either House on a motion to withdraw.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 644, 62 Stat. 676; Sept. 3, 1954, ch. 1263, §3, 68 Stat. 1227.)
§17. Same; limit of debate in each House
When the two Houses separate to decide upon an objection that may have been made to the counting of any electoral vote or votes from any State, or other question arising in the matter, each Senator and Representative may speak to such objection or question five minutes, and not more than once; but after such debate shall have lasted two hours it shall be the duty of the presiding officer of each House to put the main question without further debate.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 644, 62 Stat. 676.)
The Arizona Objection begins at approximately 14:58.
This was the Senate debate of the Objection to the Arizona slate of Electors.
This a major news article and everyone should make sure they pass on this information to as many people as possible, and post it on all social media.
The world needs to know what really happened. A coup. It is horrible what they have done.
Thankyou for reposting this Sundance. I have been searching for this particular post to link it to twitter/x responses in an attempt to educate others on the procedures around alternate electors and how they were corrupted.
Could you add the tag J6 to the article to make it easier to find?
Can anyone answer this important question? Based on the facts listed in the post, particularly the timeline of events that day, and specifically the exact time when Pence and Pelosi suspended the session and were escorted out of the House, how can the peaceful “tourists” invited into the building, and who entered AFTER the session was suspended be found guilty of interfering with a government process that was not actually at that time a “process?” (As it was suspended.)
A movie should be made of this coup.
VERY good way to write this up. It is very easy to read and clearly understandable.
“The Speaker initiated the NEW sessions under special emergency rules.”
Anyone know if these rules are always available in case of emergency? Was there anything special about these “emergency” rules that day?
My question goes to how long before J6 did Pelosi and others have to work on creating these rules just for this “emergency”?
Is it like typical legislation they cannot get passed, so it stays on the shelf collecting dust until the right “emergency” comes up?
Will they even bother to give the things listed below, or will they just put their witnesses (Meadows, Pence, Barr, etc.) on the create a lot of drama?
Stephen Miller
@StephenM
In proclaiming that President Trump’s assertions and beliefs about illegal/ineligible ballots were incorrect (the entire basis of DOJ’s prosecution), how many mail-in envelopes/ballots do you think Garland’s DOJ personally inspected to determine, at a minimum, a.) signature match b.) age of voter c.) registration status d.) citizenship status e.) residence f.) criminal history (felony bar) g.) whether, upon interviewing envelope signatories, the ballots were unlawfully harvested or collected by a third party h.) whether, upon interviewing signatories, they are willing to attest on penalty of perjury that they themselves filled out and enclosed ballots within or i.) the ballot/envelope was received, completed and submitted in a fashion fully compliant with duly-enacted state law (not announced policy in violation of state law) at the time of the election?
The stunning unconstitutionality of its prosecution aside, how can DOJ even proceed with case until it has first performed the above investigation of a sufficiently large sample of ballot envelopes in every swing state, particularly in Dem strongholds?
Note: this would not be a DOJ “recount” of shaded ovals but a rigorous factual assessment of the human data on ballot envelopes against all existing records and laws to determine the rate of invalid mailed ballots across all battlegrounds.
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This post is brilliant. Great work by @Sundance and @Regitiger.
I have also been going over the J6 timeline to find answers to nagging questions. Regitger’s analysis of procedure is not something I considered before and I thank you for providing it. It makes perfect sense.
I have been trying to find out why Trump’s speech began 45 minutes behind schedule. I have long suspected that starting later had somehow interrupted the conspirators plans and forced them to make on the fly adjustments (and mistakes?).
It also takes approximately 20 minutes to walk from the Ellipse to the capital, yet didn’t Antifa (dressed as MAGA) begin breaking windows while Trump was still speaking–or had only just finished. This seems very significant to me. Had he begun his speech on time, he and everyone else would have been arriving then. I shudder to think of what they really had planned for him. I’ll also never forget what he said at the end of his speech: ‘we’ll remember this moment forever…’. I definitely will.
Another thing that bothers me…when Pence started shilling his book, he was saying he feared the Secret Service that day. To me that betrays guilty knowledge of his participation in the plot. If he didn’t know what was happening, then it would not be reasonable for him not to trust the Secret Service. His suspicion only make sense if he was worried he’d been caught.
OK, but there was a “President of the United States in Congress Assembled” but under the USCONS there is NO “President of Congress”. As far as how Congress “counts” the electoral vote, it is under USCONS Art I Sec 5-2, “Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings…”. Historically, it was provided for in Joint Rule Twenty-two. Under USCONS Art I Sec 8-18 “necessary and proper” clause, Congress also has investigative power.
As a result of the battles over electoral votes in the 1876 election, Congress passed the Electoral Count Act of 1887 [24Stat373] and codified as Revised Statutes Sec 135 . Secs 4 and following of that Act provided detailed process for counting and objecting to votes.
When Sund was interviewed by Lou Dobbs, he revealed that….
He was kept in the dark on intel issues. Forced to resign by Pelosi the day after J6. Then forced to leave immediately (before two week resignation transition) which prevented him from seeing J6 video or evidence. Then he was replaced by the very intel officer that kept him in the dark.
And then it was followed by a J6 committee and trials that hid all the evidence from the people of the truth about that day.
Also, the fraud issue brought up in those swing states would have been a powerful and unprecedented moment in Cingress because according to testimony by Patrick Byrne (J6 Committee testimony)….he was told that between 140-150 congressmen would go along with the challenge (and 12 senators).
It would have been hard to ignore something of that magnitude.
At a minimum, excellent analysis and great article.
If true as described, it is high treason and everyone involved (no matter how high or how low) must be prosecuted for treason, IMO. These actions rise above criminal law and must be adjudicated through military tribunals where the ability to gather evidence can be more comprehensive and faster (as I understand it).
As terrible as the issues described in this article might be, never forget that the traitors who were involved in the 2020 election steal and J6 conspiracy were very likely the same actors who orchestrated the COVID
mass-murderpandemic. If that is ever proven beyond a reasonable doubt, it will be the last straw for the people and the consequences that follow will be…{ Devolution pt6 MrTruB ‘DEVOLUTION’ – THE SERIES – Part 6 – ANTIFA AND THE CAPITAL RIOT }
It just struck me after reading this post again…
If this analysis of the parliamentary process is correct, then Pence has a serious problem in his testimony.
If Pence actually told Trump PRIOR to Jan 6 that he did not have Constitutional authority to delay the Electoral count, he must have known in advance that the “emergency” of the “insurrection” was going to cause a “crisis” just in time to prevent the motion to suspend from being presented. Otherwise, according to the analysis, he should have known before Jan 6 he would Constitutionally REQUIRED to suspend the count, because he knew in advance exactly when and by whom these motions were going to be made.
Hmmm…
Where’s suspicious cat when you need him?
I believe the true Mastermind behind this diabolical coup was and still is the Father of ALL Lies, satan himself. All these minions of his were carrying out the EVIL directives he implanted in their minds and souls . He’s the Director, they are his Useful Idiots who have sold their souls for their Master’s gain and their personal gain. In the end, they ALL will pay dearly for eternity. Have Faith, & pray at the end God wins!!!!
After reading this I wonder if former President Obama had dirt on all these people and got his 3rd term this way. Remember Maxine Waters blurted out Obama had a big data base of everyone and then he used it.
Damning evidence for certain, adding to the current pile of evidence that a treasonous coup happened. Yet nothing ever comes of it. There has to be evidence of comms between treasonous parties and their gestapo to carry out the coup (had to be a signal given to crowd plants like Epps to escalate)…all of which begs the question:
So now what?
This is a clear act of treason by our Congressional leadership. All involved, no matter how many, should be removed from all of life`s struggles, permanently. There is no other way to cleanse the government of such filth than complete and permanent removal of all involved, no prison, only the dirt nap.
Clarifying.
My father warned me this would happen in my life time. He said the Constituion will hang by a thread but if we pray hard enough and have faith we will be able to save it but much trial, anguish, and even blood will happen. Evil is upon us. My God have mercy on us all. Amen
Everyone reading this should print a copy and store it for a history lesson for their family in the now and future.
One day, when our children and grandchildren wonder why America was once a great nation and now is NOT, this will provide the truth.
I have always called J6 part of a coup. I have always said that the Gulag in D.C. is there for a reason….to put fear into our hearts and minds and keep the population in control. It works.
I still say the story of Dr. Zhivago is a movie that should be shown daily as it explains what happened in Russia as it fell under Communism. I read that book, “Dr. Zhivago” when I was 14. Russia used to be a great place.
China also fell under Communism after being a great country. Don’t think it isn’t happening here.
Treasonous is as treasonous does. The only result for them is a fair trial followed by a verdict to be imposed with extreme prejudiced in a very public manner. This should never have happened in this land that was once known as the United States of America!
Does anyone have timeline/resources and additional information handy about how this is differentiated from the objections to specific state electors? Objections to AZ electors were raised, debated and voted upon.
No one can raise a motion during the Electoral Vote Count with the exception of OBJECTIONS. There is NO DEBATE ALLOWED in a Joint Session of Congress like this one. When an objection is raised properly, the Senate retires to their Chambers while the House stays put. The Objection is debated. There is video of the debate about the Objection to the Arizona slate of Electors which was expanded to a debate to DELAY THE COUNT FOR AT LEAST 10 DAYS TO AUDIT RETURNS WHERE FRAUD WAS SUSPECTED.
The objection failed in both houses.
Here is proof that there can BE NO DEBATE on ANY MATTER WHATSOEVER in the Joint Session. Witness in 2017 Joe Biden gavel down an Objection not in writing and signed by only one Member of Congress and no Senator:
Thank you regitiger and Sundance for making it make sense.
This is an effective style of presentation.
What were these new rules and when/how were they passed? Pelosi has a history of decreeing things, “deeming” them passed.
Another question is the legality of proxy voting. While each house of Congress can make its own rules I see nothing in the Constitution which authorizes the delegation of voting to others. Combined with remote voting… just who is actually voting and can it be proved to be the Representative?
They ( the enemies ) are willing to go balls out, so far we are not.
That is it.
They are smart, evil, but smart.
We are smart too but so far unwilling to do needed things.
Can someone please point to where, in Article II or the Twelfth Amendment, the words “certify”, “certificate”, or “certification” appear with reference to the counting of Electoral Votes by Congress?
Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution mentions “certify” and “certificate” at least once.
CERTIFY–This is how the vote of each state’s Electors will be recorded in December after the election:
“The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by ballot for two persons, of whom at least one shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and the number of votes for each; which list they shall SIGN AND CERTIFY, and transmit to the Seat of Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate.”
CERTIFICATES:
“The President of the Senate SHALL (means Mandatory), in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open ALL OF THE CERTIFICATES, and the votes shall be counted.”
This process is done, one State at a time, in alphabetical order. The Certificate is sealed by whomever is charged at a particular State to certify the Electoral votes. The seal is broken by the President of the Senate, who hands the certificate to a Teller, a Member of Congress (MC) or Senator. There are two of each for four tellers. The Tellers count the votes since the Congress counts the votes in Joint Session, compiles the results and certifies them. In our time, a copy of the certificates from all the States are sent to the National Archives.
Outstanding comment by Regitiger. Thank you, Sundance, who, BTW, I think is a woman, not a man. I have not been exposed to a writer who is more prescient, intuitive, knowledgeable, articulate, and energetic as she. Thank you, again, Sundance.
Lol – well, he’s NOT a woman. 😀
Why don’t I see a link to the “old rules” and the “new rules”? The rules and changes are CRITICAL to the substance of this piece, yet the FACTS are omitted. Just saying.
Show us the actual rules please.
I think they mean the Electoral Count Act. It was changed recently to state EXPLICITLY, that the President of the Senate only fulfills the limited role when presiding over the Electoral Vote Count. However, when reading the “Old Rules,” the President of the Senate was never assigned any roles such as:
There is no debate permitted in the Joint Session of Congress. No debate over anything. There are no motions entertained save those of Objections. Objections are debated by the two houses SEPARATELY, in their own chambers. No motion to do ANYTHING, including:
I think that covers about everything.
Thank you Regitiger!!!!!
Two things I remember about that day, is the look on Pelosi face,and the stack of papers Ted Cruz had on the table ,that were not there when they came back in session
Regitiger thanks for your hard work and research. I’ve read your analysis several times. As someone who attended the late November 2020 Stop the Steal rally I found your articles eye-opening and persuasive; the level of planning shows how diabolical these people are. Remember thousands read this very popular site but only a few comment. A bit like talk radio — many lisren but few call in.
Thank you so much for all your due diligence in presenting this massive amount of information.
@Sundance. Why can’t this information be passed along to President Trump’s lawyers for use? This along with The Epoch Times Video’s on Jan 6th ? I myself realized the discussions were never allowed to take place. Apparently the lawyers need some help. The charges are a joke. This is cause for reasonable doubt. Trump needs a few more lawyers.
“Q1: How do you prevent congress from delaying the certification of state electoral votes?”
A1: Well, since the “Chamber Process” is a JOINT SESSION OF CONGRESS, the use of MOTIONS is very limited, and there is NO DEBATE DURING THE JOINT SESSION. The main motion during this Joint Session is OBJECTIONS TO SLATES OF ELECTORS when the President of the Senate queries if there any Objections. Once an Objection is found to be in writing, signed by at least one Senator and one Representative, it is considered in good form, so an Objection is considered to be in order. This triggers the Senate LEAVING the “Chamber Process” and returning to their own Chambers to debate and vote on the Objection. Debate is not held in Joint Session, but in the separate chambers of House and Senate. The two bodies vote after 2 or fewer hours of debate, and return to report to the President of the Senate the results of the separate votes.
On the subject of “NO DEBATE” in the Joint Session, I remember Maxine Waters being gaveled quiet by VP Joe Biden when she repeatedly attempted to engage in a debate about an objection that was not in writing. Biden shouted “NO Debate!” to Maxine more than once and hammered the gavel down.
Very limited motions in the “Chamber Process” and NO DEBATE.
Q5: Why did the motions, once that the speaker RECONVENED congress, move forward back again to the floor for votes? Why were members disallowed to even consider putting forward ANY motions to the floor in when the chamber business was reopened?
A5 If by “Chamber Business” you are referring to the Joint Session of Congress to count the Electoral Votes and certify them, there are very few, if ANY motions taken up there (I actually believe none except for Objections). I explained the workings of Objections above, and there are actual videos of the Arizona Electors Objection that I have provided and you can watch for yourself, and you should, since your 10-day delay for counting the Electoral Votes was DEBATED in both houses of Congress during the Arizona Objection. It lost the votes.
Nothing happened to your motion. It was taken up by both houses during the Objection (interrupted by the riot) and taken up again that evening.
The mystery of the Missing Motion is solved.
FYI Sundance: Andrea Widburg linked to this article as an author posting behind the paywall of Jack Wheeler’s “To The Point News” today:
https://www.tothepointnews.com/2023/08/mike-pence-admits-he-believes-that-he-could-have-stayed-the-senate-count/
The Republic ended during the 2020 election. Everything since then has been an exercise in futility. A usurper was installed with the full support of the entrenched bureaucracy, and we have legitimized the coup by doing nothing to resist it.