[Hat Tip John Fredricks, for the meeting particulars] The Forsyth County, Georgia, republican party held a meeting to discuss why their senate candidates failed to win the run-off election in January. The screenshot of their justification is a case study in why the republican apparatus fails, and why the challenge to reform the party is so difficult.
First, it is important to filter through what is described as the “Tea Party” support base within the professional republican apparatus. Genuine Tea Party outlooks are in total alignment with the MAGA perspectives of Donald Trump. However, there are elements within the republican party that are more traditionally GOPe-minded and yet assign themselves to the outlook of the Tea Party. There is a difference, but more on that in a moment. Here’s how the Forsyth County political activists are explaining:
Notice, the Forsyth County GOP blame-cast against the base of voters by identifying people they view as outside the party interest. They blame libertarians, populists, Trump, Steve Bannon, John Fredricks and even the candidates themselves which includes Doug Collins for being too outside the base of voter enthusiasm. This view tells us what the mindset of the internal republican network in Forsyth County is !!
Do not just dismiss their justification as presented. CTH warned in 2014 and 2015 this ideological outlook, this disconnect from the reality of the base, would lead to a big problem…. and it has. I shall provide a concrete example below of just how dangerous this fracture is within our constitutional republic. The reason we need more trumpet.
As a person who has traveled extensively in the past decade+ to engage the base of middle-class support that represents MAGA, I can attest that the disconnect between the republican party apparatus and the base of voters they depend on is a severe problem. Without correction… there is no alternative other than to create a THIRD party.
Let me provide one of the best examples of this disconnect between the professional republican party and the base. This disconnect is most visible amid the professionally republican elites in Washington DC. However, this disconnect also flows downstream into the local party apparatus on a precinct-by-precinct level. The issue represented is immigration; but the disconnect applies to a much larger group of policies in addition to immigration.
In 2014 the Republicans in the Senate (successfully) and then the House (almost successfully) passed a comprehensive immigration reform bill that included amnesty for all illegal aliens. The bill would have passed the Republican controlled House, if it was not for the primary defeat of House Majority Leader Eric Cantor literally 48 hours before the House vote was to take place. {GO DEEP}
The shockwave from the Cantor defeat was so severe, all fence-sitting republicans (and remember a lot of them were from the Tea Party wave of 2010) backed away from their vote to support the immigration bill. The Senate amnesty bill died the night Cantor lost his primary challenge by Tea Party member Dave Brat.
The conservative base of the republican party, the middle-class worker/voter, did not want open-ended immigration and yet another amnesty bill. The MAGA base was being destroyed by these policies, but the GOPe was/is disconnected and did not care.
The DC republican party was brought to the immigration table by the main GOP funder and benefactor, The U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Wall Street wanted more cheap labor; the BIG Agriculture lobby wanted more cheap labor; the conservative pundit class of the media which included Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham and the entire Salem Media network, supported the U.S. CoC objective. It was an insiders game, but the base of voters did not support the objective…. hence, Cantor was defeated.
The GOPe is an institutional apparatus. In order to be a republican politician the candidate must never challenge the policies that stem from their source of funding. In the above example it was the U.S. CoC and President Tom Donohue; y’all are very familiar with him.
The key point is the club, from the precinct captains to the Speaker of the House within the party, have certain policy positions that are controlled by the party, the RNC club.
Money is the currency of influence within any club; remember that. Do not dismiss this as a broad truism that can be dispatched without thoroughly contemplating how this dynamic pertains when considering how to take over an established political party. Remember the opposition to Donald Trump in 2015 and 2016? This monetary aspect is the key part of the opposition.
Because money is the currency of club influence, the patriarchs who provide the majority of club funding are in control of club policy. This reality was the cause of the biggest political conflict in history. President Trump represented the base, the RNC represented the donor class, the political elites…. those who controlled the club. Obviously, you can see in hindsight why the conflict was so consequential and so severe.
Back to the disconnect example… As an aspect of party policy the politicians in DC cannot advocate for any policy that is outside the RNC club charter. The RNC is funded by Wall Street, corporate multinationals and large conglomerate interests. [The DNC is also, but for now I am focusing on the RNC.]
Because seventy percent of political funding inside the United States political apparatus stems from the exact same place, we see both parties essentially advocating for the same policies. Thus we call this process the UniParty. Wall Street interests are funding both RNC and DNC clubs; so obviously those interests will be supported by each wing of the political apparatus. Corporatism is determining policy for both parties. See the problem?
Now…. watch is video carefully and contemplate what Mick Mulvaney is saying in 2014 during the time that Wall Street and the U.S. CoC was paying the Republican party to deliver on a policy objective. Listen to how Mick Mulvaney describes the situation to the base, the highly engaged base, in South Carolina. This video is important. WATCH:
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Notice how Mulvaney is ¹selling the exact same narrative you have heard from almost all professional DC republicans. You might also overlay the Georgia power-point screen grab here and see how both are examples of the party perspective.
Mulvaney was trying to convince the base on behalf of the professionally political. The Forsyth County GOP is essentially doing the same thing. Both messages are intended to convince the base of support to turn-away from what their heart, mind and gut is telling them as the approach needed; and both messages are trying to convince the base to support policy against their interests by reframing their interests.
Put another way the abuser is telling the abused to trust them… they know better.
However, in contrast to what Mick Mulvaney was espousing in 2014, a little more than a year later candidate Donald Trump came down the elevator and said the exact opposite. Trump said what was true, not what corporations were paying him to say.
Trump said: ‘vote for me and I will build a wall’, the exact opposite of what Mulvaney was telling the base of support.
Donald Trump knew by limiting the entry level workforce inbound into the U.S. there would be upward wage pressure and a restoration of the middle-class worker. Trump knew making America great again required ‘America First’, not Wall Street first.
The difference between Donald Trump supporting the American worker, and the Republican Party supporting corporate owners, is the same disconnect that exists today. The majority of voters support Trump. You can see this empirical outcome in the 2020 general election.
No other republican candidate would have been able to get that scale of support because all other republicans are essentially part of the professional party apparatus; and that means their positions (insert Nikki Haley here) would represent a wing of a UniParty instead of an entirely new political bird.
The Georgia run-off was lost because the only voting option was for another set of uniparty candidates. At the same time, both wings of the UniParty were attacking President Trump. Voters were turned-off by Perdue and Loeffler because they saw through the manipulation…. so they stayed home because: ‘what difference does it really make’?
Lastly, it is important to reflect on the local republican party outlook. As you can see in the Forsyth County power-point they are disconnected from the republican voters within the area. When you contemplate the scale of having to change the outlook and personnel of thousands of Republican precincts around the nation, you begin to realize what a monumental task it is to attempt to reform the republican party from the inside.
That my friends is why a new political party may be the only option.
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¹ Also contemplate how Mick “cantaloupes’ Mulvaney could have carried that perspective and yet still worked as OMB Director for President Trump’s MAGA policy.
Trump should be asking voters to log off of both parties and register as independent and his goal is to form a new party in the states he “won” and then in the floundering other states
The act of millions removing themselves from the major parties would be a seismic shockwave through the political class.
I remain a registered republican through inertia only.
The Maga Indepedent party ?
The LIBERTY PARTY…
The GDP Party
Sarasotafan-there comes a time when enough is enough.
On Jan 7th I went online and after almost 50 years as a registered Republican I changed to PND – my States version of Independent. Party No Designation.
I took a stand the best way I knew. Sick of the Republican party. No way I would EVER be a Democrat. As Sundance says…just different wings on the same vulture.
I believe many people have become Independent after last election, and the Republican party still believes it has a chance to survive.
It has about the same chance as a snowball in Hell.
Unless it changes, Trump seems to currently be on a path to take over the GOP from within.
I’d give him the time he needs to make a difference at that.
No doubt, if he later concludes a third party is the only option left…. he’ll go there.
A-1 Party
In my state, independents can vote in Dem primaries if they wish. However, have no say in GOP primary unless registered GOP. I’d have to consider this before changing affiliation. I think there are TGOP candidates at the local and state levels who support MAGA, but maybe not.
Historically, I’ve not seen many independents on the ticket at any level. Maybe Trump can find some great independent candidates? We’ll see.
Unfortunately inertial-lock keeps us flowing with the tide and we are trapped in the perpetual rise then fall then rise of the Republican party. I stopped contributing to the party after the defeat of George Allen in his Virginia Senate race in 2006. They left him hanging because of his use of a”macaca.” And thus Virginia turned blue, midnight blue. We need a third party, now!
The GOP didn’t lose this Presidential election, it was stolen. So how would a new party change that?
If you remember when Ross Perot ran for President, he had to register his party in every state, to get on the ballot in that state. But the GOP & dems did not want a 3rd party, so they both sued him in every state to stop him. This ate up his time and money.
We dont need another party, we need to kick the SOBs like mcconnell, romney, collins, murkowski, rubio, etc, out of the party. In addition, a new party will not have any name recognition, which will lower voting, and make it difficult to attract donations.
Donald Trump has the name recognition. If he leads a new party, it can’t be stopped.
The Independent party?
“the “conservative” pundit class of the media which included
Tucker Carlson, Neil Cavuto, Brett Baer, Rick Wilson, Max Boot, David French, et alSean Hannity, Laura Ingrahamand the entire Salem Media network(excluding Lou Dobbs, Sebastian Gorka, Larry Elder), support the US CoC objective”Begging to differ on these items, but spot on otherwise! IMO.
Hannity, Ingraham and Salem entered into an agreement together during a conference call in 2014. I have written about it after the call was leaked. Fox and Salem agreed to have their hosts promote the Senate Gang of Eight comprehensive immigration bill.
Rupert Murdoch and the board of Salem media instructed their on-air talent to promote and support appearances by Marco Rubio. Hannity, Carlson, Ingraham and Bill O’Reilly were a big part of the push.
Each of them went along with the corporate plan
All of this is well documented. None of it is arbitrary suspicion.
Fox News is aimed at manipulating conservatives. It is abusive.
They seek to gain your trust, then they manipulate you.
For example, Fox tells you, “Trump is now the leader of the republican party. The republicans are now the America First party.”
So then . . . if the republicans support Trump so much . . . why wasn’t the vote audited?????
Fox is garbage, and those who watch it are allowing themselves to be manipulated.
I love how they have the real reason written small way down at the bottom of thier list.
“our behavior”
Remember it well.
i was totally disgusted with
the whole bunch/sold us out
for their 30 pieces.of silver.
In a word/ DISGRACEFUL.
Not sure what show this is from, but it’s a rather lengthy interview of various people after Trump was elected.
It tells the Mulvaney cantaloupe story, as well as the Dave Brat campaign. They say Laura Ingraham was quite instrumental in his campaign, as well as Bannon/Breitbart.
Laura Ingraham, for example, hugely popular talk radio host– also at that Breitbart party with Steve Bannon, by the way. She was constantly making the opposite argument from Republican leaders. She believed if undocumented immigrants got amnesty and then citizenship, they’d all become Democrats, dooming the Republican Party.
Laura IngrahamOnce Republicans sign on to some comprehensive immigration reform, it’s pretty much over for them, because once formerly conservative states are turned reliably Democrat, you’re never going to win the presidency again.
Laura Ingraham straight-up endorsed Brat. She did a fundraiser for him. Ron Maxwell, Hollywood superconnector rich guy, had called Laura Ingraham early on
https://www.thisamericanlife.org/615/transcript
We all know the definition of insanity.
Cut our losses. Start over. Forcing all GOP/GOPes to make a decision. For us or against us? GOPe would publically have to leave the uniparty to join a Patriot Party. They would have to make a choice. No more forked tongue crap. Are you GOPe or MAGA? They won’t sever ties if the status quo continues and they can speak forked-tongue R-speak and pretend to be MAGA until they vote on key issus. Force the issue. It will save PT from making bad choices.
What do we have to lose?
Nothing we haven’t already lost.
Third-Party or Bust. Now or never. 80MM. We can do this.
WalkAway Ds, AAs, Latinos, etc will join a Patriot Party. They know why they are leaving the Ds, but they won’t necessarily join the R party forever, but just to vote for PT.
We need to start a Third Party now and build from here. It would attract many who would never join the R party. Even us Rs don’t want to be a part of this sh*t party anymore. How can we expect others to join it?
How can starting a Third Party be more difficult than cleaning up the GOPe. It isn’t. It would be easier to cut bait. Why are Rs so afraid? It’s that exact hesitancy that screws us every time.
A Patriot party could caucus with conservatives of either establishment party to get conservative things done. Like Mitch McConnell does to wield power in the minority.
Yes! Make THEM choose instead of us choosing between the lesser of 2 evils.
The GOP has been warning me of the dangers of a third party for 30 years now…
Good point. I keep wondering why so many here are bucking it. Rs need to get a backbone.
To those who say forming a third party is madness, I say And what we have been doing since we voted Bush I isn’t?!
How many times do the Repubs have to lie to us, deceive us., betray us before we say NO MAS?
How many black eyes, trips to the ER does the battered base have to endure before we pick up a poker and send the GOP establishment to the ICU?
(I maintain GA was the battered vase saying ENOUGH!)
I am with Sundance on this one.
I voted for my last establishment Republican in 2012 when I held my nose and voted R for my rep because I knew if 45 won he would need the Faux Repub more than a Democrat. Both lost in my rapidly Californicated state.
I don’t live in GA, but if I did, I would have stayed home in January. Why vote establishment Repub when they cave to the Dems anyway?
I do live in GA, Fulton County. The only reason I voted is because my President asked me to do so – twice, but I didn’t want to. I don’t want to be in the position again. I want a new party.
WA State here. I have no voice in DC, even my congressman Dan Newhouse) voted to impeach MY PRESIDENT. I will N-E-V-E-R vote for an establishment Republican again. Before anyone gets my vote they will vow to me personally that they will always support Donald Trump’s America First Agenda. I vote Democrat to keep RINOs out of office. At least the Dhim is honest about hating me so I know where I stand. Many won’t vote D and I understand, it takes a strong stomach to do so but not voting eliminates one vote for the R, voting D eliminates the one R vote and adds a vote to the D total. +2 instead of +1.
I live in GA too, Columbia County, which is one of Republican strongholds as Forsyth County. I voted in January and will vote Republican until there is a new truly Conservative party. I hope, however, to vote those RINOs out during primary for now.
Slide really tells you everything you need to know, of why Georgia was lost. Nowhere does globalist Kelly Loeffler, or her even bigger globalist NYSE owning husbands name appear on the list. Terrible candidate.
No mention of any election irregularities, or intent to prevent it from happening again.
No mention of massive media bias and poll manipulation to shape an outcome.
No will to police/monitor the suspect election process.
And much more.
yes, no mention of vote fraud, or the GOPe kemp, ratberger et al refusal to investigate and prosecute vote fraud.
As an attendee of this meeting last evening do not be fooled by a single screenshot. This was a presentation by one speaker and their viewpoint. Several in attendance got up and left because they did not agree with the presentation. Others stayed and had a discussion with opposing views. Just because you see your name on the screen John you do not have to be so thin skinned. You were mentioned for no more than 30 seconds. It was interesting to hear the presenters viewpoint, some good points were made, some I disagreed with, and some made me want to do more investigating. That is the purpose of these meetings, for people to meet, discuss, and help develop a plan going forward. Nobody I know at the meeting left saying wow, that was the gospel, and we must march in lockstep together. I find it funny to have seen this firsthand and seeing it completely blown out of proportion as to what took place over an hour and a half meeting.
Was there any discussion of dealing with the blatant vote fraud?
Since you attended, can you provide more detail on each point shown above?
And in your opinion do you think that a change at the Precinct Captain level could have any effect???
As you know, this is the preferred method of change being promoted by Bannon.
If I could use only one word to explain the run-off that word is Raffensperger.
I think the only viable plan is to abandon the GOP. We have to fight them so why let them inside our operations?
the fact that there was, and still is, no real investigation of vote fraud (criminal and other), by GOPe Executive and Legislative branches, is conclusive proof that the GOP is corrupt to its core and needs to be replaced by a new Party.
There are many “outsiders” among the dems, indies, and past nonvoters who would never vote for any repub candidate (given their history), who would vote for anti-corruption, anti-insider party candidates.
If the Dems get that bill HR1 threw it wont matter what we do nothing will change the out come the dems will win every time because the Gov will take over all of our voting laws and taking them away from the states only means no Republican will ever win again.. President Trump has already stated to vet some of the people he wants to run in the senate and the house and who’s seats he is after
right now there only seems to be a few but knowing President Trump He will do all he can to make sure this time that none of McConnells people ever get back into office
I love President Trump and I always will. But he is the last person I want vetting anybody. He staffed 80% of his administration with enemies. Four years into his term he still hadn’t learned anything.
I was wondering how Mr. Mulvaney came to be WH Chief of Staff 2019 – 2020 — a position that apparently does not require Senate approval.
he’s a good liar?
A good politician knows which way the wind is blowing.
Whiskey Sam, are you sure that is a fair assessment? We have seen a plethora of reasons one person gets chosen over another, and we have none of the information to judge, except in hindsight, which of course is 2020. President Trump sure chose the most important guys, the finance wolverines. Who should he have put in instead of Nikki Haley, for instance? And how often was he bound to please The Turtle?
IMO he put Nikki Haley in to sideline her. She had to stop criticizing Trump because she was part of the administration. It also got her out of the way in SC so McMaster could become governor.
This legally-registered GA voter and state resident since 1998 notes the LAST item on the state GOP’s list: The party’s own atrocious behavior. Considering the sterling asshattery displayed by Governor Kemp and AG Refuseberger (he who lobbied for, and purchased, Dominion’s voting package), I know that most of us in the true conservative parts of the state are done with the GOP as it is currently configured in GA.
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The GOP is dedicated to a role of leftist-lite, to losing, always losing, but with honour, don’tcha know. Their behavior in GA and for that matter across the USA shows me that we have officially a one-party system, with Trumpists and Libertarians beating loudly around the edges. If we outsiders do not succeed in capturing control of the GOP, well, come 2022 it might be time to pack up and move to New Zealand … or Hungary.
New Zealand is not currently the place you might think it is… They have a Globo Marxist nutjob for PM. She cannot flush away NZs future fast enough. And a sizeable amount of citizens believe she’s doing a great job.
The narrative that the Republicans lost was due to poor voter turnout is likely false considering what we witnessed on video in Fulton Co. Nov 4th 2020.
Ruby Freeman, daughter Shaye and Ralph Jones Sr. discussing illegal ballot dump.
https://rumble.com/vcumln-more-fulton-county-voter-fraud-evidence.html
Count and recount Fulton Co.
https://rumble.com/vccvrz-a-new-fulton-county-video-evidence.html
Fist Pump Guy at Fulton
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-exclusive-usb-guy-identified-lawrence-sloan-cheered-inspecting-bogus-ballots-table-georgia-election-day/
USB guy and shady USB palm off.
https://rumble.com/vbm91g-fulton-fraud-starring-miss-ruby.html
kemp and ratberger…crickets…
An excerpt from Debbie Dooley’s newsletter – she is Tea Party/MAGA/Patriots.
Collins knows GA, is MAGA. He sees the disconnect between MAGA base and GOPe party people.
FTA: Asked why Republicans lost statewide races in Georgia in 2020, Collins pegged the party’s losses on their failure to articulate their principles and stay connected to grassroots voters.
“We have got to get a Republican message out there that the people can relate to, that they understand why conservatism matters,” he said.
We will never win continuing down this disconnected party. It will continue in its hit-‘n-miss approach. Some days you win, but days like yesterday (SCOTUS) you lose.
We must change course.
If national numbers hold, the Forsyth GOP has 50% of its’ precinct slots OPEN. OK Forsyth Treepers, sign up and take it over! Same for Libertarians – join the GOP as small-l libertarians and bring back that vibrant 1-3% intellectual base back into the GOP. All we have to gain is a PRE-REGISTERED voter base of MILLIONS. Trump has studied the numbers. He knows this. That is why he is moving to take over the GOP. Let’s get in there and help him!!!!
Marshall, I agree. See my full comments at 7:52pm.
I bet that nobody in Georgia honestly wanted Kelly Loeffler as a Georgia Senator and she only got an opportunity to be a senator in the first place due to the fact that Kemp appointed her over President Trump’s original suggestion of Doug Collins and then later, we find out that one of Kemp’s daughters was dating an intern on Kelly Loeffler’s campaign.
Face it, Kemp basically wanted both the husband and wife that run the New York Stock Exchange (Jeffrey Sprecher and Kelly Loeffler) to financially scratch his back while he scratches theirs in exchange for a Senate seat.
As for the names listed on that particular slideshow in this article, it is interesting how Georgia Governor Brian Kemp and his Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger are not mentioned anywhere.
bingo !
So according to Mr. Mulvaney, it is important to vote for an R who works against my interests because then Rs won’t win any more elections, and so won’t be able to work against my interests. Is that about it?
Call me a heretic but a third party could attract the Sandersnistas who feel that they have been screwed by the Establishment. Too bad there is little else that the Sanders and Trump voters can agree on, otherwise…
agreed. they have a dim awareness that they have been disadvantaged by ‘insiders’, but have been herded together and then dumped by the fake bernie show.
there is actually a lot of overlap, if explained accurately.
There is actually quite a lot more. I started out as a Sanders supporter. We were against the endless wars in the Middle East. We were against the TPP, and we were for the average working American. After Bernie got cheated out of the nomination, we started looking at then candidate Trump, and he happened to be saying the same things. There were many of us who came over to Trump in 2016 and many more who came over in 2020 with the walk away movement. I imagine there are still others who might get involved.
This is tough for me. Uni-party is just that, unified. How do we get a ‘true’ message out to how important a populist agenda benefits more Americans than any other, platform.
We would have to pull a good % of Democrats toward the same cause, to be effective.
Who is going to promote that on a large enough scale?
Right now our power is in our numbers. We have our President in common.
The best defense against us, is to split us up.
The only power we have against the money, are votes and activist support.
Then there is the unspeakable, let’s keep it that way for now.
Next Monday, I get to go yell at people, who claim, we are all Americans.
It is time to define our elegances, cowards stay home.
From reading other sites and comments, the base of the GOP think exactly like the Forsyth GOP. Example……Remove the Cult of Trump so MAGA can return…..Cult of Personality of Trump needs to be threaded out of the GOP so we can win elections again. Too many think the GOP actually do care about the USA, think it’s Trump’s fault and never mention voter fraud, rigged Dominion machines, ballot harvesting. They held their nose to vote for Pres. Trump but will not vote for him again.
Also the former RNC Chair Michael Steel said Pres. Trump supporters need to go ahead and leave the GOP, they are not needed.
Lindsey Graham said that the GOP needs to get behind Pres. Trump to win 2022 elections……translation…we need Pres. Trump to win, and when we win we can stab him and the voters in the back again and go back to business as usual.
The one name I was looking for but was left off that list was Lin Woods.
The quickest way to political oblivion is to try to start a third party. Even Trump isn’t on board with that. If the Trump base is not capable of turning out candidates to challenge these Rinos, we don’t deserve to have our voices heard.
I’m with you Peter, It sounds like the worst thing we could do.
All of us, will be dead before we win a new party election.
We have the establishment under intense pressure. They cheated out in the open to stop us. Some day an American ‘citizen’ in the Judiciary or Congress is going to want to hear the truth.
We voted for our leader,
Let him lead!
We already have the biggest third party in history. When President Trump was holding rallies, he was pulling in 20-40% Democrats. They were walking away from their party. They surely weren’t going to join the Republican Party, the one that you want to insanely try to save. No, they were all “Independents”, leaving their respective parties. And that’s the true third party. No Democrat or Republican can win an election without the Independents.
The Republican Party is far too gone to save. It’s over. It’s the definition of insanity. No, the only way is to grab all those people who walked away from both parties, became Independents even in name only, and hold them together. That’s what President Trump can do.
I won’t vote for another Republican candidate unless he/she has been extremely vetted, no matter if President Trump takes control of the GOP or not. Sorry, fool me once, shame on you. Try to fool me twice, good bye.
Third Party by pulling in the Independents from all sides is the only way to go.
and many of the jobless bernie bros (like seth rich)
tell that to Abraham Lincoln.
Whigs = GOPe => oblivion
I don’t want to be associated with the GOP. New party please. Trump was someone entirely new and outside of the system – let’s have a party along the same lines.
The GOP is controlled by people dedicated to the destruction of the United States. They are dedicated corporate globalists. They unite with their globalist accomplices in the Democratic party, the party of communist globalist. They both are dedicated to the destruction of the United States.
I’m not in GA, but if I had been, the two things that would have dampened my enthusiasm is that Collins and the execrable Loeffler represent everything that’s wrong with Rockefeller, country club, McConnell style republicanism. The second problem is that if the Republican Party doesn’t care enough to fight voter fraud in the general election, I’m not gonna bother myself to vote, knowing the Dems will steal under the winks of the complicit Republican Party.
These two themes will play out in large scale over the next two election cycles as the GOP moves to protect its pathetic little fiefdom by circling the wagons and forcing out the “trumpist threat.” And Republican turnout is going to crater because, at this point, why vote?
I’m from Georgia. President Trump WON, period. The leadership which was republican failed us. Neither party is worth a darn. Money talks.
Are you referring to Doug Collins? In what way is he comparable to Globalist K Loeffler. He was also stabbed by the GOP. He is a big PDJT supporter.
I was a Ron Paul supporter in 2008, showed up at the caucus and was a delegate to the Missouri state convention. After the election, a number of us ran for positions on the local Republican committees and won. Many of us are still there. We have a hand in selecting the members of the State committee and our representatives at the RNC. We have passed resolutions supporting the efforts to straighten out the 2020 election etc. There is also a never-Trump faction but in St Louis County the Trump supporters are on top.
While I recognize difficulties in fully taking over the party, I am loathe to give up the foothold we have established in the areas where we have established one. Every week I have people calling me wanting to help get more Trump supporters in positions of power within the Republican party. As long as PDJT is staying with the Republican party, so am I.
Until President Trump says ‘I quit’, he is my leader.
He won, I voted for him.
Carol….. this sentence caught my eye – ‘Every week I have people calling me wanting to help get more Trump supporters in positions of power within the Republican party. As long as PDJT is staying with the Republican party, so am I.’
It seems to me that the best position would be that the RINO types should only have the choice of voting for the Dems and NOT have the choice of the GOP as it would by then be the MAGA/GOP party. They could of course start a new RINO party, I guess?
Maggie, I agree. We need to find good candidates to primary the RINOs.
We would not be forming a third party, we woukd be forming a SECOND party .
I agree a 100% with your position. Its ‘our’ party and we need to take it back from the anti-MAGA funded RINOs and RATs. For those against that idea, would you seriously not vote for a Republican Candidate endorsed by the People’s President and hated by the uniparty? Candidates and Representatives that are 100% funded by pro-MAGA causes vs the anti-MAGA funding of the GOPe?
Organizations are not defined by their names, logos and stationary but by the people within it that fight for a set of mutually beneficial principles and objectives. Right now the GOPe is owned by anti-MAGA funding sources, that is why the stab us in the back. If we replaced all the RINOs and RATs within the current GOPe with MAGA, how is not now transformed into the MAGA party? Perhaps we could rebrand/rename the party once MAGA has control but we have country to save first.
You can’t fix the GOP from within as it is a private club, and you will never get in.
It ain’t the Republican Party…
The GOP is exclusive.
Wasn’t it just a few years ago that there were horror stories coming out of Georgia about illegal aliens imported into the state?
As if that can be dismissed as simply “international immigration”.
It would have been interesting to hear their discussion of that point. Were they discussing it in the manner that voters were upset with it? Or were they discussing it in a manner as something to thrown in the mix of blame as to why they “lost”?
I’ve long held the opinion, for more than a decade, that the only means we have to gain leverage over against the GOPe is to break from them. I do understand the practical impediments involved: lack of national organization and the funding that comes with it.
But the Republican Party has depended — for its leftist/anti-American progress and success in denying to us a place at the table to counterbalance the radicals prowling the halls where ‘authority’ wields power to defeat us — upon the certitude that we have NO WHERE ELSE TO GO.
In regard to funding… the requirement for gigantic funding may be a relic from a bygone time. The need for big bucks was to a large degree driven by TV advertising. The days of the big three networks ended long long ago. They have spun off cable operations but those too are running on fumes. Internet changes everything. You can do more for less money.
PDJT will apparently be starting a new ‘media’. We could all subscribe. We could all buy 1 or a hundred shares. I can grow fast, faster that twitter, or google, simply by # of participants.
Sundance and the CTH could participate !!!
the speed at which a media and internet presence could gror is the reason the dems are trying to intimidate internet providers from permitting ‘misinformation’. the GOPe will likely assist the dems in this regard. new internet providers may be necessary.
I don’t care what any Republican says.
I’m done with the Republican Party
I’m only voting for MAGA supporters from now on.
The betrayl from the core Republicans has been abominable
I know it is tempting, but I still don’t see a third party working.
I still think the party can be taken over and reformed from within. I know it is slow, but…..progress is being made.
Ten years ago there was no freedom Caucus in congress, and hardly anyone at all in the Senate we could count on.
These new maga candidates that have been elected are strong and vocal. They are not afraid to challenge the GOPe openly. Their message is powerful, and they are winning with the people (where it counts).
If you do, however, want to build a third party….do it in steps starting at the local level. If you can’t win there….then you can’t win nationally either.
I still think it would be more effective to openly run as maga candidates, and local gop officers (in essence…. a third party, but within the gop tent)…..until you are over 50% and can control the whole party.
Slow is better than never.
We are on a different battle field now than November 3rd.
No matter what happened, we have the numbers to make big waves.
And we already are, nobody can give up.
A third party is giving up!
You mean like Roy Moore?
Doug Collins? Dave Brat? Cory Stewart? John James?
Bob Dornan had a House seat stolen from him in tge 90s. What did GOPe do? Nothing. Woody Jenkins in LA? Silence. Rossi in WA? Same thing. Coleman in MN. Why not rig a presidential? What do Republicans every do but bloviate or secretly help the Dems.
When push came to shove, the GOP wasn’t there for them and they won’t be there for you either. Obamacare anyone!
They represent DC, not us.
This idea is a bit inchoate but is a traditional party structure necessary? The GOP is monolithic. They are massive and sluggish. They are vulnerable to asymmetric opposition from a loosely coupled network.
I’m really curious what the Freedom Caucus has accomplished.
I’m with you, Troublemaker. See my full comments at 7:52pm.
it is not an ‘either-or’ choice.
It is possible to start a new party which combines with the GOP for honest candidates (if there are any), but opposes corrupt, bribed candidates whose votes are bought. The minnesota Farmer-labor party is a good historical example.
A major benefit is than donations and assistance to a new party candidate (who could be the same person as the GOP candidate) is not 25% shared with the RNC for cheney, pirre delecto, sasse et al type candidates. And they can be opposed, to defeat them if the GOPe continues to nominate them.
Not only did Actual President Trump win Georgia. the two senators won the first time. The run-off was staged by Kemp, McConnell and their Chinese owners with the CheatWare and Mail-in Fraud.
That entire list is bull..
Election mailer pressured Republicans into changing their vote.
It told people who their neighbours had voted for
https://spectator.org/georgia-runoffs-voter-intimidation/?utm_source=LibertyNation
I wonder who got sued for Invasion of Privacy?
Agree 100% Sundance. There is no alternative. We need a fresh start with Plan B and Trump and the Trumpistas will lead the charge.
The gop is completely rotted and will not change with some ‘better people.’
The rot in the party is everywhere its not going to be fixed by becoming precinct captains or whatever.
Need to start w a clean slate.
Before Plan B matters elections must matter. Elections will not matter if election officials violate law and are not prosecuted.
I’m all for a 3rd party led by our real President Trump. Heres the problem: This political system cant be fixed. Yeah yeah grass roots starts with getting involved at the precinct level -blah blah barf. Then what do we end up with? President Trump in the Oval Office and the swamp apparatus intact and it’s a repeat of the last four years. IT CANT BE FIXED. Time we all realize it and start a new country. Secession is the only peaceful option left.We need a National Divorce. The Satanic demons have taken over D.C. theres no fixing it.
As someone who lives in forsyth county, georgia. This is not a professional republican group. These are old time country politicians mixed with newly moved younger active republicans and immigrants. Most of the republicans i know think the election was stolen by stacy abrams and mail in voting.
That group sounds like the Whigs. Start anew. Begone GOPe, to the dustbin of history !!!
And here as they say is the rest of the story.
https://tinatrent.com/john-fredericks-steve-bannon-leftitarians-and-my-little-powerpoint-on-how-georgia-lost-the-senate-and-the-white-house/
Very interesting. She seems to me happy to throw blame around, at Doug Collins, John Fredericks, Steve Bannon — but does not mention election fraud as a problem.
Anyone who does not address election fraud, and the logical conclusion of GA voters that their votes would be worth nothing without addressing it, has no argument about what happened in GA.
Just IMHO, because I don’t know Georgia. But I am on the verge of becoming a one-issue voter, and election fraud is the issue.
So someone help me out. What do Republicans fear most—cantaloupes or Astroturfing Libertarians?!
THIS is why PDT going to the RNC meeting in West Palm is SO important. He is going to tell them–it is MY Party or there will BE no RNC and $$ flow because I am going to take it with MY Party–make a choice
They lost the Senate because of Dominion.
Actually, they lost the Senate because of a RINO legislature, Governor and Sec’y of State and a lack of due diligence.
They were all purchased by China, including the CheatWare.
lack of vote fraud prosecution
I read an essay today by Lee Smith ( “The Great Reset. California was the Blueprint”) in which he referred to an article by Thomas Friedman written in 2009. Freidman spoke of how the elite/moneymen had given up on “democracy” giving them the results they need to run roughshod over the American people to enable them to achieve their goals and saw that the Republican Party was no longer the answer. They therefore changed to the Democrat Party with their support because, presumably, they could control them.
Middle America became a lost “soul” as a result, until President Trump came along. In effect the Democrats and the Republican parties reversed roles as to which voters they supported.
I think the Republican elite are still in the pre 2009 way of thinking and have not realised what has happened. Or if they have and think they cannot change parties are happy to stay in the GOP as RINOS (to appease their corporate/ elite pay masters) and act to disrupt the party.
So if those people like McConnell cannot be removed then I think Sundance is right, concerning a third party.
I’m waiting. Took first step by leaving the GOP and choosing No Political Preference. I do not believe that the GOP can heal thyself with McConnell, McCarthy, Cheney, Thune, Graham, etc.
Reading the comments, I don’t think the focus should be on Third party or take over Republican party strategy—yet. Trump supporters see this as a movement. That’s where the emphasis needs to start–those who want integrity in government, a protected and free society, and a work environment to make a living and care for one’s family. It needs to be a pragmatic ideology or populism and less about Donald Trump. He was the necessary disruptor and is still the leader–but sell the idea not the candidate. There’s a lot of Independents and some Democrats that would buy into that. The Joe Bama agenda will drive a lot of people away—job killing legislation, normalizing gender dysphoria, the obnoxiousness of cancel culture…
People will join a movement easier than switch political parties. Primary all GOPe people, and heck, put in some candidates on the Dem side in blue areas. The Movement can play either side as the candidates it supports will commit to being in the integrity–freedom–opportunity // God-country-fellow man camp.
This is the best response I have seen here concerning Take Over GOP vs New Party.
You are spot on about it being about the movement, not Donald Trump, tho I can not think of any other politician that could have survived his last 4 yrs as president
There must be a MAGA candidate to primary every GOPe incumbent. If we can win in primaries great. If not (usually because the anti-establishment vote is split among multiple candidates) then stay home in November and let the GOPe candidates lose. The party cannot be effective until the traitors are purged.
they are too entrenched.. you can’t fix old religion.. let them wear their albatross..
..creating a new Party is like creating a new Country..
..it’s the solution..
Sundance – your analysis is spot-on, but the prescription is off. It’s a monumental task to reform the party from within but the alternative is even more daunting. I prefer what Bannon is suggesting, which is to take charge of the precincts at the local level, per Dan Schultz. For anyone interested, here’s his ‘how-to’ guide. About 200,000 out of the nationwide 400,000 positions at local precincts are vacant. Trumpers could virtually take over the party by occupying those 200,000 (or a large majority) of those precinct positions. here’s Dan Schultz’s website – theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
thanks for the link.
This would be the same Mick Mulvaney who was all over the radio shortly after the Jan 6 LARPstag “fire” blaming Trump…the same Mick Mulvaney who told his district during another breakfast meeting in 2014 that the U.S. must have aliens to do the jobs which Americans just won’t do…the same Mick Mulvaney who, in hindsight, was playing a role as controlled opposition…the same Mick Mulvaney who doesn’t want people to know how he really lives…
Work on reforming the republicans is just a waste of time. Any and all efforts Trump uses to support this Obama-Nation will give Turtle and his band of clowns an opportunity to fund raise of Trump popularity. How about this. Speak at CPAC and advise them to join on with our Patriots party or you’re on your own. There can never be a repair in my neck of the woods. Stay with the Republicans is staying with the Democraps. MAGA
So you would abandon Trump after he fought so hard for you. I think that’s disgraceful.
This one takes the cake! (Until 7 years ago my husband and I were dealing with California politics…)
https://rightondaily.com/2021/02/cagop-update-the-cagops-staff-literally-called-the-fbi-on-me/
Lots of good points but I sure as hell don’t remember Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, or Laura Ingraham wanting more cheap labor….I don’t like FOX but I have to disagree on this part Sundance.
It’s all part of the hustle. If we can get the 54% that already know something is horribly wrong to move over to a new party and we can primary GOPe everywhere including gramstand and mcconnell that would be great. But the only problem is voting is rigged and their making sure it remains that way… Keep your powder dry.
Unfortunately China Mitch isn’t up for election for 6 years and then he will retire.
Sundance, I think I understand your reasoning.
I believe you are saying, given a target level of results, it is easier to achieve them by creating a new MAGA party than by taking over the existing republican party.
You’ve made a compelling logical case for why getting MAGA results in a given time frame by taking over the republican party, would be extremely difficult. I don’t think anyone here disagrees with this.
The piece that we need is the other side of your argument: why the new-party avenue would be a less-difficult way of getting target MAGA results, than re-forming the republican party.
What would be your strategy for overcoming the obstacles that a new MAGA party would certainly face?
never mind
I stumbled on this transcript (or you can choose video sections) of some interview after Trump won in 2016.
If you scroll down a bit to the Brat Pack, it tells the story of taking Cantor down. I didn’t realize Laura Ingraham was so instrumental in Brat’s win. I found the entire article pretty interesting.
They even interviewed Pat Buchanan…the original America First guy
https://www.thisamericanlife.org/615/transcript
Thank you so much for this link, it is fantastic! It is long but got better and better the more I read.
There are important ideas in here for a MAGA strategy, whether or not it’s under the aegis of the GOP or a new party.
It’s interesting to compare the coordination described for Brat’s win against Cantor, to that in the Time Mag article re Biden’s “win.”
That presentation is missing a bullet point:
Why do we believe any MAGA candidate can win anywhere with the now embedded voter fraud and election rigging?
“limiting the entry level workforce inbound into the U.S. there would be upward wage pressure and a restoration of the middle-class worker.” this is the whole crux of the matter and keeps the middle class down and seeks to destroy it. If those few words were said to every American to bring home the point that dilution of the workforce only brings lower wages to themselves and their children, All most people see with uncontrolled immigration is race, health and housing angles and that is just the short of it.