The question around a third party has been debated on the pages of CTH for over a decade. After CTH researched each of the last four UniParty U.S. presidential elections we came to the conclusion in 2015 it was necessary to break the two-club system.
It was the need for a third party; and CTH recognizing Donald Trump as the outside pragmatic independent voice who personified a third option; that initiated our 2015 support for what everyone was calling the “long-shot” outsider candidate at the time.
With the American electorate now awake to political issues around the UniParty; and with evidence of 74 million+ Trump voters, and entrenched republican party unwillingness to be an independent second party option; the question about a third party is far more prevalent. In this video Dr Steve Turley uses the example of Brexit in 2019 to highlight how a third party in the U.S. could actually succeed. WATCH:
We need to deal with the voting integrity issues on a state level, that is where we must engage and fight to fix issues with ballot fraud. That fix requires state legislation to address and control mail-in ballot use. They cannot use the COVID excuse forever.
Then, and only then, I would take the third party discussion one step further….
… Given what we have witnessed in the past four years, how can we fathom NOT creating a third party? The two current parties, democrat and republican, are wings of the exact same big government bird. There is no viable option except to form another party.
The “reform from within” proposal is a good idea; meaning to take over the apparatus of the GOP and force change from within the party. However, unlike the EU models cited there are structural protective systems within the DNC and RNC that protect them from being taken over. We are seeing that structural issue with RNC support for newly elected terrible candidates like Mitt Romney in 2018.
The RNC doesn’t even attempt to field or enlist candidates against weak or ineffective republican incumbents. Exactly the opposite is true. The RNC will not support, with logistics or data sharing as examples, any primary challenges against incumbent Republican politicians.
This is how the club retains control and protection over the members; so it is somewhat of a futile effort to attempt to takeover a party that has built in self-defense mechanisms. Just look at how the RNC structurally failed to legally (or proactively) support President Trump, because from the outset never passed the club’s entry and purity test.
As a consequence a third party is needed even if you want to take over the republican party as the long-term goal. There needs to be an architecture, a framework, for a challenger to mount a primary effort against an incumbent RINO or uniparty republican.
The primary challenge framework needs to include independent fundraising systems outside the RNC control. That independent financial mechanism is how Donald Trump was eventually able to mount a successful insurgency against the RNC candidates in 2016.
Without a third party influence; and considering the rule-books used by the RNC; the predictable 2024 republican presidential election will field these final four candidates.
DeSantis is closest to MAGA. Noem is MAGA-lite with Koch Brothers edge. Haley will be the supported RNC candidate. Cruz (term expires in 2024) will play the role of controlled opposition, conservative-base splitter, all while gaining material wealth.
CTH can clearly see this traditional RNC approach with Nikki Haley in 2024 as the establishment front-runner like Jeb Bush in 2016.
If we do not initiate an outsider option using the MAGA community as the base, these four will be used by the RNC to install Nikki Haley.
The final RNC club argument will come down to club elites who demand that a woman be the next Republican front-runner. Those same elites will have “Palinized” Kristi Noem by implanting club operatives inside the Noem camp intended to undermine her campaign.
Any candidate working inside the RNC club structure will be vulnerable to the RNC club leveraging against them at a specific moment. The club pick is already well known to those who have: (a) followed the club ¹events; (b) followed the years of club rule-books; and (c) who know the exact road-map the club deploys for every election.
[¹Use CTH site search tool. Type in “Nikki Haley – then spend a few hours catching up]
If there is no outside candidate with independent resources the club will pick Nikki Haley just like the club was trying to pick Jeb Bush (’16)…. just like the club picked Mitt Romney (’12),.. just like the club picked John McCain (’08)… Wash-Rinse-Repeat.
The outsider (3rd party candidate) needs to be the MAGA candidate, and that structural support needs to exist early on, just like outsider Trump was able to create in 2015.
We need to work on this soon and create the third-party endorsement system quickly to start preparing with valid candidates for the 2022 mid-term primary races.
Turley left out the most important point. Populist parties are ALWAYS short term, They don’t last.
Why? Because populism is a corrective reaction to capitalism going astray. When big business gets to powerful and the working class starts getting squeezed, populism springs up. But, for it to become politically important, it must have a charismatic leader – Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, Sarah Palin, Ross Perot, Teddy Roosevelt, etc.
Once inequities are addressed, populism dies down. That means you can use populism to build a new party, but not to sustain it for the long term. The party must have a plan to morph from a populist agenda to a long term agenda,
pure BS … Trumps populist appeal had NOTHING to do with Capitalism going astray …
Illegal immigration, unfettered immigration, jobs moving offshore, wage stagnation, bad trade deals, globalism. supply chain controlled by China. Do you need me to list more or are you ready to admit you don’t know what you are talking about.
please study the history of our country. the hot button items you listed, have been used by the politicians since our inception. they change name and dates, but the rest stays the same. they know what people react to and how they will react. they use this knowledge to their advantage. they have many, many years of experience doing this. unfortunately for us, it always works in their favor.
That is what populism is. It is the common man against the elites. When the government leans too far toward the elites, populism pops up and moves the government back toward the common man.
When that happens, the emotionalism that stoked the fire of populism goes out, until the next time the elites get too powerful.
if ‘populism’ is so effective at reigning in the elites, how come we still have the elites? in fact, every time ‘populism’ shows itself, the elites always end up richer than they were before?
populism is a tool of the elites. they use it against us.
Because it swings back and forth. Just like you punish a child and the kid is really good for a while, then acts up, gets punished again, and the cycle repeats.
Our problem isn’t simply capitalism. Our problem is Uniparty corruption and their control of the Just-us department and judiciary branch. This makes them immune to any laws passed to prevent/control their corruption. That is why another viable party is needed. An America First party would be viable.
Have you read Atlas Shrugged? That’s exactly what we are experiencing.
trump became popular long before he ran for office. he was the star of his own TV show for 14 years! he was/is an actor, first and foremost. he has been acting the entire time in office.
that’s the reason the system/elites won once again. he’s on their side, not ours!!
we got breadcrumbs ($600), they got trillions! that was why he was there.
Populism has nothing to do with popularity. Populism is the opposite of elitism. It is the “common” man.
Popularity does play a role in that populism usually doesn’t take hold unless there is a charismatic leader to lead the movement.
I have been researching globalism and populism for the last week, so my guess is I might know more about it than you do. And I’m talking about reading scholarly articles and research papers.
ask yourself who wrote those papers? likely it was the same people that currently teach at the university level (or did at one time). these are the same people that have indoctrinated the students with BLM and SJW thought. in short, they are the elites. they are not our friends.
populism is nothing more than a tool, used by the elites, to give the people the perception that they can exercise some measure of control. we can not. they won’t allow it. as we just witnessed on wednesday, they allow us only enough rope to hang ourselves.
our only chance is to stop playing by the rules they make. better still, we must stop playing the game that they created and write the rules to..
All but one was leftist. Not necessarily because the authors are, but because the original articles they referenced were. So as time goes on, all the articles have the same bias. I figured that out real quick.
I ignored their interpretation and just went with the data and formed my own opinion. I later found an article that mirrored my conclusions.
Trump was a successful and flamboyant NY personality, and testified in front of congressional committees on economic issues long before he became a TV personality.
…and unlike many others, his positions on important issues never changed, nor did his hair! LOL
Incorrect. Turley cited many examples of successful, thriving populism around the world.
Pierre Delecto would be proud of you trying to be an obstacle.
Name one that lasted more than 10 years.
do a quick search on mr. turley. he seems to exist, only to promote himself. there is little to no info about him, other than that of his own making.
The republican party replaced the whigs. They seem to have lasted a long time.
The Republican Party is not populist.
did you know that in 1864, lincoln did not run as the republican party candidate?
he and andrew johnson (a democrat) ran as the national union party.
therefore, lincoln died, not as a republican, but as a national unionist!
An issue with this example, which I like, is that the then-two parties were at each others’ throats. Today we have uni-party. Soon, I think they will be warring, but not now.
But since we are the ones at war against a much smaller-in-size uniparty — but richer and with the levers of power — we might be able to outsmart them on the state and local level – but only if we can keep Dominion machines out. Is this what has happened in Texas and Florida?
not really, the ‘unipartyt’ has always been there. every now and then, they change clothes, change names and change people. they are and have been members of the same party. the rhetoric they use, is only there to make you think, things have changed. they do not and never have!
Lincoln is a non-person to me. Thomas Jefferson is the Father of the Republican Party. His policies would be great for our new party to adopt (except for the slavery part)
odd that your short list of populist charismatic leaders includes THREE extremely wealthy people. anyone that believes a multi billionaire can/will understand the struggles of average people needs help!
they all served themselves and other extremely wealthy people. they are the problem, not the solution!
Sarah Palin was not wealthy. And I was referring to populism in US politics. It takes money to run for President, so by default, a populist leader will probably be wealthy.
Are you saying Trump was not a populist and that he didn’t understand the struggles of average people?
“Trump was not a populist and that he didn’t understand the struggles of average people?”
yes, that is what i’m saying.
trump was born into wealth. he has lived his entire life with wealth. he can no more understand what average people struggle with, than average people understand what it’s like to be extremely rich!
do you think trump every got up at 4am to catch a bus by 4:30?
has trump ever worried about being fired?
has trump ever missed a house payment?
he can no more understand being an average person, than an average person can understand being very rich.
You don’t have to live it to know it. You might not understand the emotional part of it, but it is not hard to realize what it must be like to not make enough to take care of your family. Or that the plant closed down and there are no good-paying jobs in your community.
If Trump doesn’t understand what it’s like, why did 70 million people vote for him? Why did blue-collar Hispanics and blacks cross over and vote for him? Why did guys who never voted before in their lives vote for him?
That lion symbol we’ve seen so often on these pages poses an excellent opportunity to really tick off the politically correct and abusive conformists that try to enslave the mighty mass of humanity.
That lion symbol is pure male with its magnificent mane. And there are plenty of images of the mighty roaring male, as well as those sleek female hunters. If the dying media is fuming now, imagine how bad it’ll be with a MAGA lion symbol (or whatever the party is named).
do not allow yourself to be swayed by symbolism. the elites have been using this trick going back to the days of the roman republic!
Love the sentiment … until you realize that the mechanics of a new party are nearly impossible … much easier to take over the GOP … the GOP is on every ballot in all 50 states … and they run primaries …
What is needed is an independent support system that candidates can access … right now if you want to run for office the first step is learning what paperwork has to be filed and what steps you have to take … also an independent fundraising system that candidates can access …
a privately funded consulting organization could do the job easily … they would only support candidates who want to run in GOP primaries …
the way to vet the candidates eligible for support would be to require a certain amount of work by the prospective candidate to get the initial support (maybe some sort of questionaire/bio/background ) candidates who bothered to do the work to fill it out would qualify for initial support (assistance in setting up a campaign for instance) …
then each level of support would again require a certain amount of effort by the candidate to get the next level of support …
Just getting into a primary requires complex knowledge of the rules … this org could provide that knowledge for free and allow candidates to jump into a race and depending on a candidate’s effort, go as far as he/she can …
Think of it like Amazon publishing .. they provide the infrastructure you provide the ideas …
Did you watch the video? Brexit changed Britain in a matter of a few months.
did they really? or have the elites just made the people think things have changed?
it would seem that boris has made life in the UK much more repressive than it was BEFORE brexit.
Brexit is different, since Britain had surrendered it’s currency and identity previously to a globalist scheme. Even the actual “negotiated” exit is far from perfect. It did touch the populist drive but around a single issue. Here it is much more complex for the muddy middle that will need to join us.
Really? It was obvious in 2018 that Ronna was NOT helping. Why is she still head of RNC?
Because she is the key RINO element that supports Mitt Romney and his ilk. Do you see the relationship?
Lack- you are 100% correct. No reason to go through the hell of starting a third party when WE own the GOP.
Let the damn RINOs start a new party!
Why would we ever walk away from the billions of dollars we have invested in the GOP.
That’s just what the scum like McC. And the others want.
They would crush us.
Most important- wait for guidance from our President Trump.
The GOP isn’t worth saving. It’s controlled by globalists and simply replacing some Senators and Representatives won’t make any difference. How long did it take for them to turn the Tea Party people we sent to DC?
We need a party that is not controlled by globalists.
With all due respect, you have no idea how hard it is to start a third party and how easy it would be to reform the GOP.
Before this goes any further I would like to know how many of you are ACTIVE in your local GOP or other party?
How many of you have run for local office?
How many are familiar with your state board of elections?
I totally agree with you. It is very difficult to start another viable political party, especially since the start of the 20th Century. That was tried with the Reform Party under Perot and the Bull Moose Party under Roosevelt. Neither went anywhere. The Libertarian Party and the Green Party under the current system are only at best 5% of the vote. Smaller parties only really work in a preference voting system, like what was introduced in Maine, or a Parliamentary system.
Back in 2009/2010 with the rise of the Tea Party there were some who thought it could be a third party, but there was neither the money nor infrastructure for it, which is why the decision early on was to allow that movement to merge into the GOP. Those involved in the Tea Party back then will recall just how angry the GOP Establishment was with the group of grassroots activists. Now, the two groups tend get along. This is because the grassroots tea party people have been slowly taking over the GOP since 2010. Additionally, the populists brought in by Donald Trump have now also merge into the GOP. The nature of the GOP is vastly different from what it was in 2000 and 2004 under George Bush. I know for myself, I have different thoughts about some policy issues.
As I mentioned here for days, if any of you want to effect positive change you need to get involved and remain active in your local GOP or Conservative party (here in NY). I know passions are high right now and people are upset about the past election. But, the people active in the 2021 local GOP are more likely than not like-minded compared to what they were in 2009/2010.
As for the 2020 election, realistically it was over in mid-November. It was definitely over with the Electoral College vote in Mid-December. The D.C Swamp wanted Biden as he will do what they want. You can see this by who he has chosen to surround himself with by his cabinet choices. Trump was also a thorn in their side. He would not conform to their interests. I would not be surprised if Medicare-for-all and a lot of climate change legislation goes through now. The younger generation have been taught for 30+ years to want these changes.
Changes really do occur at the local level. I suggest starting with your schools and talking constantly with your children. For example, I asked both of my children yesterday if what happened on Capitol Hill was discussed in any of their classes. It certainly was. The school teachers took it upon themselves to lecture the kids about what occurred on Capitol Hill on Wednesday and outlined how repulsive it was, particularly with the younger kids. My older daughter, who is taking AP World History, used it in a comparative analysis context (like the storming of the Bastile), but my younger one came away from the discussion with how disparately the police treated the Trump people vs the BLM marchers and claimed that if these people been BLM there would have been “more shootings”.
I always thought people (and especially those like Steve Bannon) were too optimistic of a different outcome, which is why so many are now frustrated, angry and dismayed. I get that everyone could not understand how the party responsible for the election irregularities/fraud was being rewarded with the presidency. But, sometimes life is very unfair. We now need to pick ourselves up, dust off and re-start the process. Starting a new party is not the solution, especially when you can see, like I can, that the GOP has changed dramatically in the last 12 years.
Remember the Tea Party members were destroyed or hobbled by the levers of power. Remember the IRS? And how many other lawfare nasties were there? Why did Sarah Palin resign the governorship? Stay smart.
My recommendation for several weeks has been to first form a political action committee (PAC), so we could have a membership and raise money. Then we could decide if it made sense to support Republican candidates we liked or to start a new party.
We were very active; maxing out donations to party candidates for decades. We all quit yesterday.
Yes, it’s HARD to start a new party. Who do you think made it that hard?
The existing parties who wanted to be sure that the easiest ways to power allowed them to corrupt people on the climb.
Heck, THIS website is a testament to why a new party is the only answer. When it was subject to others it could be deplatformed for stepping too far out of line. So too the party elites can cut off funding and use outright primary fraud for anyone rising through ranks who steps out of line.
The Treehouse’s solution was to change platforms entirely to one free of the ability of censors to control its content.
To quote Murphy’s Laws of Combat… The important things are always simple. The simple things are always hard. The ‘easy’ way is always mined.
The Republican Party is a rigged mine field designed to eliminate or corrupt those who think the easy path will actually produce results.
The simple solution is we need a new party that lacking the corruption and baggage of the GOP because such a place can also draw in the disaffected Dems who share 90% of our values, but could never join the GOP.
Yes, that’s going to be hard, because anything actually worth doing always is. But the advantages like truly free primary elections (as a private party we could pick our candidates outside the usual party primary system, using methods we know will minimize fraud) far outweigh the costs.
One question to all of you– are any of you taking into account the Dominion System of Election Fraud? You can talk about voting, parties and candidates all you want, but as long as the Democrats and their globalist ilk control the voting system– you will get nothing more than Kabuki Theater and excrement on your heads. That Dominion System election approach(and any other by any name) has to be permanently removed from the equation. Then the rest of what all of you have to say is worth considering!
Did anyone consider that if the voting machines are hackable, and votes can be changed over the internet, that it then becomes a two-way street? It’s entirely possible that our frenemies could face the same dilemma we faced in the last election…all sorts of things could happen. Just saying…
And you do?
Seneca, this is my persuasion, too, knowing the history of 3rd parties in the U.S. Not only have all failed, they have takn reform power away from their original party.
It has only worked, once the party structure became entrenched, when there was actual warfare (Lincoln). I thought President Trump was preparing to use these kinds of powers. I cannot, dare not, write following my thoughts.
The risk here is that we repeat the mistakes we made with the Tea Party experience.
A calculated decision was made to NOT go third party, and instead work from within the Rep party to change from within. The reasons to go that way were the same being cited now.
So the E Reps were very shrewd. They welcomed in the Tea Party with a politician’s smile, patted us on the head, and tamped down the zeal with a few crumbs from time to time. Meanwhile controlling all levers as they always have. The ultimate control is always campaign money, and that flows from corporate lobbies who demand loyalty to THEM, not the people. Small concessions are made at first, and then more over time and the purchase is cemented. Not to mention engineering of scandal threats via honeypots or other.
If the choice again is to work from within, that can only succeed with wholesale change in leadership. Mitch. Chaney. So many others. And today they STILL control all levers. They are certainly not going to just step aside lightly.
New party or old, the moles are the problem. Just because someone has an R by their name doesn’t mean anything. Same would be true in a new party.
Financial independence from the influences that are so destructive to our cause is a key element. Then there is a problem with messaging when we are denied access to basic communication platforms at precisely the moments they are most needed.
There are lots of issues. None insurmountable, but each requires some dedication of thought and purposeful action
I agree with you about the financial levers of power. There is a lot of money in the U.S. electoral system. Those who control it, control the party and the direction of the party. Changing the leadership will take time and a lot of hard work. There are no instant fixes.
ALL those that became Tea Party DARLINGS stabbed the Conservatives in the back once they said, “so help me God”. PERIOD.
That’s how long they were Tea Party patriots.
They immediately bowed to McCarthy, Boehner, McConnell and have ever since.
McConnell, McCarthy CANNOT BE TRUSTED…DON’T be fooled by their ‘talk’.
Romney’s speech yesterday seemed as an act to propel him to top of ticket and be ‘the man’ for 2024. YOU THINK I’m VOTING Romney, Nikki Haley in 2024?
Trump was a biz man, NOT a politician. Understood working man/woman, payrolls, debt, daily grind. EVERYONE ELSE IS A LIFE-TIME POLITICAN…..who lie, cheat, steal and are untrustworthy.
GOP can line them up and run them out, NOT voting for them. Congress is the RULING PARTY. EVERYONE of them…period.
Laura Ingraham and Rush ONLY 2 I heard yesterday/night that STOOD GROUND, said hogwash, BS, we ain’t taking the Dems, Libs, RINOs, GOPe, SWAMP bait and stand down or go out w/out a fight. BLM, ANTIFA burned, looted, rioted and destroyed ALL SUMMER and still are and THE WORLD didn’t condemn. EVERYBODY has to put out a statement now on the horrible Trump, MAGA….IT”S TO DEFEAT US and MAKE US CONFORM to GOPe RULE…back to the last 30Y of Bush, Dole, Romney, McCain, Lindsay…I’M NOT GOING THERE, EVER AGAIN.
A few road blocks:
Haley & Cruz are ineligible – parents were not citizens at the time of their births.
https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1347264099961495553
So is Kamala
And she will be selected when they snuff ole’ Joe
That roadblock didn’t stop Obama.
And BHO and his wife can go to hades…..their 2 mins of fame yesterday, as if I care what THEY think.
There are no more roadblocks for the Ruling Class.
Well, I guess we will have to cheat as well. Whoever out cheats the other wins.
Would strongly suggest migration to an existing 3rd party. The Constitution party or Libertarian party are two that come to mind. They already have some structure and some familiarity with how to get candidates onto the ballot.
Financing, enrolling, and empowering a current third party makes a lot of sense as
opposed to starting from scratch. Just need leadership to chose a third party for all disenfranchised republicans to migrate towards.
And there’s the Reform Party. Needs some platform work, but already exists.
I agree. The Reform Party has done the grunt work. Same goes for the Libertarian or Constitution Party.
The Republican party produced:
Bush I
Dole
Bush II
McCain
Romney
It then tried to rig things to get Bush III. This is over a period of 30 years. You are not going to reform the GOP or purge it of RINO’s. They will stay in control and they will keep telling you there is no alternative but to vote for their choice. And they keep moving left with each succeeding candidate.
Leaving the GOP immediately strips it of power. There is enough disgust and knowledge of Republican treachery that half the voters are ready and eager to leave. The argument of “nowhere else to go” immediately dies. In the ensuing fight for conservative votes, you will get a guaranteed Niki Haley type candidate for the Republicans against whoever runs on the new party.
Voting is going to be corrupted by Democrats/Media/Big Tech until they are forced to stop. The Republicans will never be the party that works to do this. A genuine opposition party will spend real effort attempting all possible strategies to defeat it.
In the meantime, a genuine opposition party can help organize and assist the non election fight against the left. Conservatives need alternatives to:
Wikipedia
Twitter
Facebook
Google/Youtube
Amazon (Bezos/Washington Post)
Paypal
Patreon
Republicans will actively fight any attempt to do this. Without alternatives, any opposition (regardless of new party or not) will be at the mercy of the left for access to the American public or even communicating amongst its members.
Before everyone goes off half cocked on a wild goose chase, why not wait till we get some direction from President Trump who is still the leader of the GOP.
I agree Seneca, but the RNC will soon correct that little fact. The RNC will soon disavow any relationship to Trump. He will be disowned by any ‘right’ thinking element in the swamp. Trump and we will be NOT accepted in the RNC.
Ronna McDaniel and MOST R’s on Capitol Hill NEVER did…they are quite happy to get rid of Trump, open China doors and China $$$$.
If the RNC won’t have President Trump, they won’t have me. Bring on a viable third party, old or brand new. And of President Trump’s choosing.
trump?
you mean the guy that invited supporters to come to DC?
the guy that led the lambs to the lions?
is that the trump you’re referring to?
What you had were a few jacked-up hotheads from places like Donald.win (which is reportedly is comprised of “meme” warriors and key board jockeys some of whom were going to “make their stand” but really they had no clue what they were doing or the optics) combined with left-leaning parties who were hell-bent on causing trouble and tarnishing the entire group of Trump supporters who had gathered for a peaceful protest. If you read any of their posts over the days leading up to this event you would have seen they were going to be trouble regardless of what anyone said at that rally. Those who went into the Halls of Congress all made conscious choices to do what they did. 99% of that crowd (hundreds of thousands) were peaceful. There was no “insurrection” as is being painted by the media. The protest itself was not a bad idea. But, it was used by a few to tarnish the whole. It is gave the Democrats, the media and their allies to perfect opportunity to further disparage mainstream Americans. I think Congress got freak-out on Wednesday because they know that the vast majority of the people there at that event were voting constituents frustrated and fed-up.
As for Trump, the GOP right now is split. The core base supports him, the party leadership are wanting their levers of power back. What you are going to see is a full-out assault on him over the next several weeks to months by the establishment GOP and Democrats (who fear him taking their union, blue collar worker base). Democrats are loving what is going on and are piling on because they want to destroy the GOP and any opposition they may have for their agenda. Starting a third party is not the way to move forward.
They will jail if he dares, You haven’t been paying attention.
Stop waiting for someone else to do things
Right now, our only hope is the filibuster and a “conservative” SCOTUS that will have the courage next time to not surrender to Democrat terrorism and rule according to the US Constitution.
Then TRY TRY TRY to primary the RINOs starting in 2022.
I hope Trump will stay on as our leader, but I wouldn’t blame him if he doesn’t.
The man has been through Hell.
I believe a third party could be successful, but it would need to field candidates in every state, and I think most of the bigger elections (presidential, senate races) would need to be MAGA candidates with name recognition. Either current elected officials that align with MAGA philosophy, or independent candidates with wealth and name recognition (Trump).
I’ll use the Lt Governor’s race in NC as an example of the populous being ready for a third party. While Mark Robinson ran under the Republican banner, he wasn’t the choice of the RNC. He was an independent that had garnered a following after his impassioned speech at a small town hall. But, the people are ready to vote their MAGA candidate, regardless of who the Party tries to force on us.
Well, right now there is only one party… Can you imagine California with a printing press? And the likes of Omar and AOC running our national security? Will there be anything left to represent with a new party? But, I am all in, call it the America First Party.
First thing yesterday I changed my voter registration from Republican to Unaffiliated. However I have no candidate to recommend.
CAUTION to fellow CTH refugees: the RINO’s are stampeding this post to make the case “3rd party won’t work” so let’s try the same old playbook to take over GOP. To H@#$ with that idea.
I think you you may have that reversed. A third-party effort at this time would be a RINO wet dream. Remember who writes election laws and determines the rules for ballot access in jurisdictions throughout the country — the Uniparty. You should know that the rules are different from place to place and designed deliberately to make it impossible for 3rd party challengers. While you’re hopping from one foot to another just to get and stay on a ballot somewhere, the Uniparty continues to roll.
President Trump assaulted the party them from the top down. We need to continue the offensive now from the bottom up. Don’t let any local Republican politician know any peace until he or she comes out full-throated and unconditionally MAGA.
Now or Never and Niagara, you represent the extreme of the two views. I like us having this debate, vigorously, out in the open. The main issue is how “we” get money, minute grassroots organization, translated by an overall a digital data base from which to see all openings and possibiities – and act massively.
Who has that fire in the belly along with the time – and wealth, from wherever it comes – to take on this project for the next at least 25 years. The opposition, with its violent thugs, will be fierce.
The “fix” isn’t from the top down. We focus on the top at our own peril. Use the party’s own rules against them and organize counties. Elections happen in counties. County parties control boards of election. County parties make the rules on primary ballot access. County parties hire and train poll workers.
My subversion-detection antenna is activated when I read “3rd party won’t work”.
We know what hasn’t worked and won’t work, but “let’s run into that brick wall one more time”. The gop ignored election fraud/ corruption and as SD mentioned they have structural protections against a populist candidate.
Yup, “it’s too hard” – well so was packing up from England and sailing across the Atlantic in 1620 or leaving the comfort of your settled area and moving into Indian territory staking a claim to improve your lot in life or going from no mechanism to leave the bonds of Earth’s gravity and make it to the Moon within a decade.
We (mostly) are American’s, we take on challenges to improve our lives and, more importantly, improve the lives for future generations. In order to preserve our freedoms into enter its, we MUST breaks the bonds of the RNC.
The RNC apparatus hindered the platform and obvious mandate of Ronald Wilson Reagan and Donald John Trump, think about that – for their own list of power and control they thwarted implementation of policies that transcended party and were desired by a vast majority of Americans across all walks of life. Had Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell supported Trump the way Pelosi and Schumer supported Obama, then Donald Trump would’ve had a 75% vote total in 2020, a blistering American economy, and would’ve achieved an end to the Korean War and even further stabilization in the Middle East. All this did not happen because the RNC controllers didn’t pick Trump and his platform. They could careless about the “people”.
I’m with Sundance, the voting issue needs to be corrected. I say for 2021 and 2022 local and state elections, along with mid-terms we go with R but candidates that caucus with “X” (MAGA party, Freedom party, etc) This caucus needs a leader and a platform – insert Donald J Trump. Realistically, this caucus could be large even that it can’t be messed with, think of McConnell best position – being able to sell enough votes to get to 60. Well, what if there were a handful of Senate “R”/“I”’s that prevented McConnell from being able to do that, his money and power go away.
a third party cannot be successful. the system itself is built to prevent it.
remember they’ve had over 200 years to create and fine tune the system.
Well the good thing is we have solved the immigration problem. As the Us becomes a more authoritarian state people will stop coming and leave if possible.
true dat
The discussion of a third party misses a crucial problem–the administrative state. The entrenched buraucracy can, as we saw with President Trump, frustrate the agenda of a President who is not part of the club. How much more could President Trump have achieved if he was not forced to overcome the many hurdles placed in his way?
Paul Ryan could’ve gained House seats had he supported the President, McConnell could’ve allowed Trump to pick who he wanted to fill positions, the RNC simply didn’t want him to succeed.
As fantastic as Trump was he made a fatal mistake by not replacing all of the prior leadership. That is standard, and he didn’t do it. You have to go deep and install your own team at department levels, a number of levels down.
The REASON he didn’t, is he came in without a managerial team. He was a third party candidate running within a party. He didn’t have many thousands of people to name to posts. Then he relied on snakes like Pence and Reince to feed in names, and we all know how badly that worked out.
Draining the swamp involves a lot more than talk about it. It takes a very large team of truly loyal people.
There already is a “third party”, if you will.
You should immediately change your voter registration to “independent.”
You can work out the details later.
Take away their rice bowl. Let the donor class support them. “Goya” them with your pocket book.
Later, if you wish to get involved in a primary in a closed state, you can do your registration changes to support the candidate(s).
I don’t think everyone understands how communists will be working in the near future. If you want to make their jobs easier, go ahead…stay republican.
I personally will fight them on my own terms, without giving them the benefit of public records. That 2nd amendment part is coming right up, Write that down if you need to do so.
that donor class just got a $7 trillion dollar infusion. they don’t really need you $100 ‘contribution’.
Where I live, you must declare a party when submitting your voter registration card at the County office. UNFORTUNATELY, they only allow you two choices, R or D on your registration card, and must select one or the registration is denied. So there’s that…
File a lawsuit. That’s a poll tax, they might as well give you a quiz and ask for a $100 check (payable to cash of course)
The gop is rotten to the core. Anyone attempting to change it from the inside is ostracized. I saw it first hand when some of us in the Tea Party attempted it many years ago. The gop is DEAD.
I see a lot of posts against a 3rd party. No doubt many of you are stalwart gop members with deep connections. Your party is over.
JBS wanted and tried to do this before. (john birch society). Congressman McDonald’s untimely death stopped the RNC purge and 3rd party move. Which gave us the RR 2nd term and Mr. NWO Bush 41. JBS went the fate of dodo bird and rest is history bringing us to now.
On other issues, IMO we are being sold out. Things can still be done, but PDT won’t pull the trigger, he will fold and hand it over to Biden and the Great Reset (NWO) because his advisors are telling him to fold/retreat and fight again crap. I pray that I’m wrong.
I suggest everyone get a VPN if you don’t have one already. Other suggestions, setup different coms system, a plan with family and only trusted people, no over the phone. If Biden get in, IT’S GOING TO GET BAD for Christians and patriots. Just in case this place goes down again, good luck. God Bless.
yes, we have been sold out. and trump is the guy who did it!
“Given what we have witnessed in the past four years…” 4? Make it 50 if not 100. Start at the 16th Amendment.
For myself, I cannot in good conscience vote GOP again. They failed to grasp that for many of us, election integrity was the primary issue, not Trump himself, though we appreciated him being a fighter against the Statist Establishment, a wealthy DC outsider who couldn’t be bought…who had, to some extent, PaleoConservative views, not simply Populist views. (This term Populist troubles me). They are so indignant about what happened on Jan 6th with a few idiots and Antifa, and yet hardly any of them ever spoke up and supported the need to investigate and verify the election, or support forensic examinations of the Dominion voting machines. Never said a word. That may be a “lesser evil” than the Democrats, but evil is evil and that lesser evil is too great an evil to help perpetuate it with my vote.
I hope there is a Third Party formed. No doubt, the elections are now rigged, but one step at a time. Form a Lion Party, arguably defined and distinguished from the GOP on PaleoConservative, Economic Nationalist principles, and then as far as the immense challenge of unrigging elections, we will try to cross that bridge when we get to it. But first things first…
Actually isn;t the Independant voter the important ones. They know how many Dem and Repub votes they get but they try to appeal to the independents cuz they generally put one side over the top , So changing to Independent is kinda like joining a third party.. We are always included in the “polls”
In too many States you can’t vote in primaries without being registered with a party.
I just left the Republican party in PA but if I want to vote in a primary, I’ll have to declare. No big deal it took 5 minutes. Just be careful of the hidden mail in voting question.
I just have to do it early enough.
Same here in my state. It really ticks me off that my registration card must list either Dem or Rep. I find that offensive to say the least.
Like your primary vote inside the party matters?
Do you really think The Turtle and Miss Lindsey, who are both despised in their home states, won their primaries fair and square?
How much of “incumbents almost always win their primaries” is true and how much is the party rigging the vote to favor their controlled candidate?
That’s honestly why a third party is so important. We don’t HAVE to use their rigged primary system. We’re a private club so we can determine out candidates using paper ballots, photo ID and indelible ink.
Yes, it’ll be hard. But it’s hard not because of anything innate, but because the corrupt UniParty have rigged it.
The rigging is easier to fight from the outside than the inside. You can rig rules internal to a private party easier than you can rig a state.
Frankly, the Green and Libertarian parties make it onto nearly every nation election ballot; they just don’t get many votes because their platforms suck (“openly communist” and “smoke dope” respectively.
But here in Indiana our Libertarian (who broke from the usual platform by going Pro-Life and focusing on easing COVID lockdowns) got 20% of the vote despite zero support.
And let’s not forget too that there are a lot of people who walked away from the Dems these last few years, but would never join an outfit like the Republicans who are just as corrupt.
A genuine Pro-America third party isn’t just going to take votes from the Republicans. It will cement a place for the 20+% of ex-Dems to throw their support (and who knows how many more who stay Dem because of generational hatred of the Republicans, but would absolutely fall in line behind a party without the baggage that supports JFK-era policies).
I long thought that POTUS should stay with the RNC ad take over from within but I have changed my mind.
The corruption within the RNC is just too deep and wide.It cannot be reformed.
Starting a third party is the only option BUT be under no illusion a VERY DIFFICULT ONE.
The history of third parties in the West is liitered with failure and burnout.
The Brexit Party was a single issue party but has flamed out now Brexit is achieved.
The situation in the USA is different though.
A third party could be formed based on fighting corruption and supporting the Constitution (free spech, no censorship , a new anti-corruption body/oversight).
People like freedom and HATE Corruption.
POTUS should form a new party. I think MILIIONS of people would register to suport it and fight for it.
I also think POTUS should give clear direction on how to fight back now.
Comms Strategies > TWTR to Gab
FB > MeWe
Cut cable (start his own media company)
Start the Patriot Bank ( pull finance and insurance customers from Wall St ).
75 Million stable and financial customers should not support the donors who backed Biden. Starve the Beast.
A new conglomerate -the Patriot Group- could and should be formed to enable real Americans to exist un-hindered and uncensored in their own country.
Think Big or go home.
Despite the constant media propaganda always remember Donald Trump WON this election , is loved by the majority of Americans and is not finished unless the Dems /RINOSgo all the way to creating a one party fascist state (which the US nearly at now).
I like it. Like posted above there is the Constitution Party, Reform and Libertarian already out there and on voter rolls in most states. Much of the grunt work is done.
I like the Reform Party as it was derived from Ross Perot 1992 clarion call election.Virtually everything that he predicted would happen has happened, that “giant sucking sound” etc. Everything they (the swamp) said wouldn’t happen has happened. A kindred spirit RIP. He was telling truths to the American voter before it was popular.
It’s long overdue that we use our financial heft and learn from the left and “boycott”. Go Galt whenever possible,
Stan..thanks but I disagree. The new party name needs some emotional resonance to it.
On balance I like either Consitution Party or better still FREEDOM PARTY because ,in a nutshell, that is what the party and POTUS are fighting for (the preservation of freedom against a one party state control enabled by corrupt media and Big Tech)..The fight and choice is simple and stark.
To those against a 3rd party: If the approach is to “attempt” to change the gop from the inside, how many of us will NOT vote in the next election? You lose many of us in the CTH.
On the other hand, starting a 3rd party… do we have your vote? Thought so… you’re not a true populist conservative.
I am left deeply confused that Ratcliffe
, the NSA and Military did not act on the Dominion angle pushed by Sydney Powell(who I believe is competent, truthful and intelligent).
If true the USA electoral system is a farce. and why is no-one arrested ?If not true , was Sydney duped ??
Lots of energy and some good ideas under discussion as well as sober heads identifying obstacles to progress. For what it is worth I think that the key is the power of the Individual. The idea of unifying behind a leader is great when a worthy leader emerges.But consider the power of groups like judicial watch and turning point USA.
I imagine the way forward is bottom up by harnessing their power and creating multitudes of local groups. Look at how well the Republicans did in congressional elections. It might be much more personally rewarding to be part of something each individual can directly influence. The first big goal would be to stock the house with worthwhile candidates.
At any rate with individuals exercising the power of the individual to focus their energy on issues within their personal control great things will follow. Rebuild the conservative movement from the ground up. When the moment is right worthy leaders will emerge.
before doing anything, study and learn the mechanics of how the president is CHOSEN (not elected).
understand that people vote for the party slate, not for any one candidate. currently, in the majority of states. the state legislators pick the method of selecting the electors. they do not pick the electors themselves. most states use one of two methods. the party convention or the party central committee.
only one slate travels to the state capital to cast their vote. the slate votes, not the individual electors!
because of this, it would be EXTREMELY difficult for a third party to ever gain the white house..
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Wise words. Any 3rd party idea must find a powerful work-around re this Reality.
3rd party? I am on board with that. The reason is because the Rino’s control the process in each state so it is nearly IMPOSSIBLE to get a patriot through the republican primary. The issue is SIGNATURES. We would need to be on the ballot and signatures are what is needed to get us there. There is no structure in place to get us there before 2022 which if we are to survive, literally, we would need to be doing this TODAY if not YESTERDAY.
Now dealing with Biden and the next 4 years in the mean time. STOP PAYING YOUR TAXES. YOU ARE NOT REPRESENTED ANYMORE. FILE EXEMPT WITH YOUR EMPLOYER. Look at your last full pay check. Look at what is taken out in taxes. Take that much money out of your check YOURSELF and put it into a savings account and at the end of next year pay your taxes in 1 lump sum while you collect the meager interest and not this illegitimate government. Or if you know a way to invest it better than that would be all that much better. DO NOT COMPLY WITH FORCED VACCINATION that is coming and PULL YOUR KIDS OUT OF THEIR SCHOOLS.
Their system needs to be broken now and only we can do it with building our own system. The heavy hand of Communism is coming down hard, but we can beat it.
Well they will create Covid 1,2,3 or if they pass the election reform bill which says among other things,states can not change anything they were doing in 2020.
“That fix requires state legislation to address and control mail-in ballot use. They cannot use the COVID excuse forever.”
People I would like to see support POTUS and provide future leadership are
Jim Jordan
Matt Gaetz
Louis Gohmert
Doug Collins
The new Congress members
Tulsi Gabbard
The RNC needs to marginalized completely and defunded .
McConnell, Pence, Rubio etc need to be toast for failing to fight a the massive fraud of the 2020 election. They own the RNC though and so will always remain in place.
This is why a new third party is needed.
Limbaugh talked about the democrats years ago doing away with elections.After what we have just been through,who’s gonna say no and stop them.
I say “Let’s go for it”!
At this point, what do we have to lose?
wouldn’t it be funny if POTUS formed a new party and 100 Million people formally registered to join it ?
🙂
There is a lot of good information here which I will study more later. For now I know only one thing. I will not vote for any Republican incumbent in the next election. I will vote in the primary against the incumbent, but if necessary I’ll sit out the general. If a third party is formed by or endorsed by President Trump, I will be there.
I will never, NEVER, vote for the “lesser of 2 evils” again. In this system there is no such creature.
That’s just the response the D Party wants to hear.
Wait For Trump Direction, focus and leadership!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just wait folks!!!!!!!!!
There are now over 80 million people that are going to stop, stop being agreeable. That is not counting people in other countries who are seeing the truth.
Libertarian Party ?
Maybe Trump will establish a new media
Call it
“Honest to God” news”
If we had honest reporting we wouldn’t be where we are right now.
Dr Steve Turley: ”Is it time to start selling a new product…? Make sure to subscribe and give a huge shoutout to our sponsers…blabla….please click.”
I am European…hints, cordon sanitaire, controlled opposition, divide and conquer.
I have an eye problem, I do not see how election fraud at the state level will be eliminated before the end of Mamla’s 2nd term…10 years from now. Biden/Harris/Obama/Jarrett ticket will be around for at least the next ten years unless some/all assume room temperature before then.
MAGA needs new media, politicians and paramilitaries on the streets.
Sadly it’s come to this… BLM/ANTIFA don’t appear on any ballot and they are wildly successful because they have media and paramilitary presence.
SCREW THE RNC !!!
Jefferson would later describe the 1800 election, which also saw Democratic-Republicans gain control of Congress, as the “Revolution of 1800”, writing that it was “as real of a revolution in the principles of our government as that of [1776] was in its form.”
Listen to Jefferson. I believe he was our 1st populist President and his faction within the Democrat-Republican Party became the early Republican Party which later became the Whig Party and then eventually became the Republican Party again.
Washington DC is corrupt and our tax dollars are being diverted to feed the swamp, rather than serve the country. I changed my voter affiliation on 1/6 to Unaffiliated. We need change! I am all for a third party. I liked the comments earlier about Brexit. It is the perfect comparison of the real citizens standing up to the elites and taking their country back. Let’s Roll!
Let’s see what the President has in mind….I suspect that the steps forward have already been game planned.
My money is on making the GOP suffer the fate of the Whigs.
But in the meantime, consider taking over your local unit of the GOP by becoming a committeeman and acting as a sleeper agent until we know where the President wants the rudder to point.
What needs to be done, and I challenge all of you to do this, is to:
1) Don’t just stop using Twitter, FB, Instagram, but close your accounts with them. They generate ad rates from the number of users on their sites. Of the 70 million of us who voted for Trump, I would be willing to bet at least half have one account or more. Imagine them losing 70 million accounts.
2) Don’t use Amazon. You are selling the commodity of ‘self’ for convenience.
3) Contact your local officials and find out who make decisions about how your town votes. Get involved. Write letters to your local newspapers. Thoughtful, and thought provoking letters. Don’t point fingers or call people names. Just bring sunlight into the minds of the readers.
4) Likewise, contact your county and state with the same questions. Don’t bother to write to your state reps or senators. They don’t care about you. But your local leaders do because there is more transparancy and accountability on the local level.
5) Pray. God has put Biden in for a reason. Just like Obama gave rise to Trump, Biden will give rise to another patriot who will fight for us. Trump exposed the evil, now the doubters will get a taste of what they have voted for but never thought would happen. There will be an awakening that ends with “We told you so.” More will come to our side – the longer leg of the new triangle.
6) Stop subscribing to MSM. There are many good alternatives. Again, look at what has happened at FOX. I know many of you like to watch Tucker. But it only enriches the network. Now, you may say that keeping Tucker popular gets our POV out to more people. It doesn’t. He only preaches to the choir. No one new is watching.
7) Pray. Trust God, not man.
What did the DNC do to effect their metamorphis so well these past few decades? Those of us old enough have seen dramatic changes to the far left. And they have dragged America to the left with them. The GOP has done little until Trump came. His core of America first, AND the American people FIRST made the GOP populist move. Now, the GOP has disavowed that populist rhetoric and we the people as well. We must decide where do we go and who will lead that move? I have no difficulty with Trump being our titular head, but we will take a lot of incoming from the MSM and the Uniparty.
Let me be contrarian. I believe the Democrat Party of today is simply what globalists want it to be. It doesn’t have anything to do with them be smart or great strategists. In many cases, the Republican Party had the power and authority to stop the democrats from making election changes but refused to do so.
What globalists need are:
Sounds just like the Democrat’s agenda.
…and about half the Rino’s too.
Concur. President Trump established the viability of an “outsider” getting the support of people fed up with the uniparty and reminded some that our Constitution states ‘we the people’. Politicians are the hired help and it’s time they’re counseled regarding performance expectations.
Start with RECALLS in Key States:
Arizona
Georgia
Michigan
Minnesota
Nevada
Virginia
Wisconsin.
Let’s start with Arizona – and all the Leadership in Arizona.
All (but Katie) are Republican btw.
RECALL RECALL RECALL!!!!
Governor: Dog Dicey
Secretary of State: Katie Bob’s
Attorney-General: Mark Brooch
President of the Arizona Senate: Karen Karen
President Oreo-Temper: Eddie Garnsworthy
Majority Senate Leader: Rick Greasy
Majority Senate Whip: Sony Corelli
Speaker of the Arizona House: Russell Boers
Speaker Oreo-Temper: TJ Shipped
Majority Leader: Warren Petersen
Majority Whip: Becky Nuts
RECALL RECALL RECALL.
Who here is in Arizona and can recall these feckless (largely – 10/11) Republicans!!!
Get them out of there!!!
Yes, begin with recalls.
Function/act within the existing R party bc that IS the party apparatus that has the power … right now… to affect our lives now & for at least the next 2+ years.
The problem with creating a 3rd party is the reality that, at least for several years, what we will accomplish is ensuring control of the US Govt by radical marxists/globalist “dems.”
A 3rd party WILL divide the R party rendering both the R party and our new 3rd party … incapable of winning general elections going forward for years.
How LONG it will take to convert a 3rd new party into numbers great enough for us to WIN general elections is an… unknown. Time – w/radical leftists/globalists– holding ALL the power in the US Govt (3 branches) simply IS a very dangerous gamble to take.
NOT saying we should not do it… but it is very risky. A lot of totalitarian laws – even dangerous fundamental changes to our Constitution can– and likely will –be enacted to control and stop us during the TIME we require to create a viable 3rd party to replace the R party.
Kare- you are 100% correct and I think it is really irresponsible and counterproductive to start promoting a third party when we have not received ANY direction from OUR PRESIDENT TRUMP. Get a grip people!
I love Sundance and the Tree House and have been a loyal follower and commenter here for awhile, but this is one of the worst ideas I’ve seen put forth.
As it stands now, President Trump and his 100 million voters OWN the Republican party. PT completely rebuilt the party and he and his supporters injected many millions of dollars into in the last 5 years. Probably more like billions. There is a robust and active structure with the GOP that WE PAID FOR.
Why on earth would we ever want to walk away and leave all those resources to scum like Pence, McConnell, et al?? Why not just kick THEM out and let THEM try and start a third party?
Look- I am a grass roots political activist. I have sat on the town and county GOP committees. I have run for office. I have gotten people elected. I know how the system works. IF ANY OF YOU HAVE WORKED IN YOUR LOCAL PARTY, PLEASE COMMENT.
We can start changing the GOP from the ground up IMMEDIATELY by simply joining your town committee along with other conservative Republicans. DO NOT CHANGE YOUR REGISTRATION TO BLANK which means NO PARTY. IT DOES NOT MEAN YOU BECOME AN INDEPENDENT. You become a BLANK.
If there is anyone else out there, especially from NY, who is a member of a major political party, please comment here.
Friends, if millions of us leave the GOP for the RINOs we are done, finished caput.
AT THE VERY LEAST- PLEASE WAIT FOR INSTRUCTIONS FROM OUR LEADER, PRESIDENT TRUMP before going off half cocked.
You are 100% correct! Like yourself, I’m a registered Republican in New York State.
Same here
Yes, Seneca. I too have worked to get candidates elected, not on the level you have but I do realize that it will not be easy to create a viable 3rd party… and 3rd party history over the past 200+ years proves that.
And right– PDJT IS the leader of the Republican party. He has changed it… and it cannot be returned to the old R party… bc… we the people will not permit it.
WE have changed.
WE do not want, nor will we work for, the old stale R party platforms and policies.
WE have retained all of the valuable policies of the R party– the individual liberty protecting policies, lower taxes policies, fewer business/liberty destructive regulations, policies that value strong families– the CORE of any successful civilization, privacy, capitalism, preservation of fundamental moral principles, FREE markets, competition, ingenuity, religious freedom, right to bear arms (protect ourselves and families), respect for the rule of law… and EQUAL JUSTICE under the law. We cannot enforce equality of RESULT bc that can only be enforced via … govt FORCE, dictatorship.
The R party, b/c of PDJT… HAS already evolved… and evolved into BETTER more inclusive policies and values.
WE are now the party of the middle class/blue collar working families, main street over wall street… MORE small business ownership, not fewer.
WE are not the party of racist/sexist party… We never were were. The dem/marxist party is.
We need to promote our liberty empowering values to blacks, hispanics and other minorities. THEY will join our party.
At this point, ALL should know that the Dem party– the actial party of slavery & jim crow– NEVER REALLY DID CHANGE. They ARE still the party of racism, sexism — dividing the country into warring TRIBES based on skin color, gender, sexual identity, etc. I can’t stand it anymore.
The FACT is… Dems HAVE controlled the black vote (90% which is ridiculous) for 60+ years.
DEMS control all the inner cities, ie., Chicago, Baltimore, etc… yet the lives of Blacks NEVER improve…. its just a different type of plantation but w/ much the same result. The same can be said about other minorities AND this destructive “femi-nazi” view of men vs. women too.
In the DEM WORLD— EVERYONE has a GRIEVANCE. Everyone — well except white males (the proverbial villain) is being wronged, discriminated against. Its exhausting.
Enough.
In my lifetime, third parties have always been a spoiler. They divide the vote and make sure the most extreme party wins. They seem to revolve around a single individual.
H. Ross Perot, probably the most successful, fell apart after one election. He has been proven right. Both Bush, the elder, and Clinton were pursuing the same goals and it mattered not who won. American jobs left the coyntry with that “giant sucking sound.”
George Wallace’s American Independent party didn’t last much longer. The hate directed against him and his supporters was more extreme than even that directed against Trump supporters and the TEA Party.
Even Teddy Roosevelt’s Progressive Party-not in my lifetime-failed. It was only with the take over of the Republican Party was he able to start up his Progressive goals.
Sam- you too are correct. Third parties are a loser all around. Not only that, but most people don’t realize how hard it is to start and maintain a third party! The Dems and Repubs who run the boards of elections have all the power.
Look at what they just did to the Libertarian party in NY- they increased the number of votes required for the party to keep a line on the ballot. BINGO- they just lost their line on the ballot.
Like I keep saying- let’s wait and see what President Trump has to say about this.
Act in haste, repent at leisure.
Respectfully disagree:
You can either futilely work on some kind of internal reformation and not bring massive NEW members to the fold, or expand the movement via a new party and bring the remaining Dems that have some degree of sanity into the fold. Did you happen to catch the percentage that voted Brexit within the first 3 months of formation?
Retaining some high degree of exclusivity to the group may have some really great merits, but I personally don’t think that is the winning strategy.
I do agree with you to the extent of a new party without the RIGHT leader doesn’t get us where we have to go. I will remain Independent until I get direction from President Trump and others for whom I have a great deal of respect.
Oh please, anything worth while is difficult.
Ross Perot folded. And, he didn’t have 75 million angry supporters.
Yes, that is exactly what needs to happen. We the people take over the party and flip the image above with the Lion and Elephant, the GOP is no longer welcome. We send them to early retirement and simultaneously take over our states voting processes. Has to start there, because every single battleground state legislature failed to do their job. They could have passed legislation earlier this summer around COVID Voting and failed to do so. We need to leverage each other on a national basis, having a coordinated discussion on initiatives and as to what works and what doesnt and how to organize. The Romney’s, McCains, McConnels, Thune’s, et. al. should never be allowed to hold positions of leadership; they dont represent us. And that applies at the state level especially. We should always go for the most conservative electable candidate, but when we find ourselves holding our nose to vote for these moron’s we need to clean house.
Now that’s a plan.
Yesterday a liberal friend who is open to polite discussion said this “the trump campaign did a poor job of proving the voting fraud to the american public. Why the #uck didnt they just orgnaize the proof and put it on a website and heavily promote that site on social media getting all voters no matter the party to look at it?”
I said something similar all along.
PDT should have his team do this asap. It needs a catchy domain name. Needs to be well organized and live on for at least the next 5 plus years so all citizens no matter their party can go see the proof for themselves.
Agree. While Rudy is great, he needed about 15 Rudys out there making the case every day to the public starting Nov 4th.
To anyone under the age of 40, Rudy is just another old white guy, worthy of no respect for anything he may have done 20+ years ago. Jenna may have piqued the interest of a few younger people, but she had her own problems.
Beg your pardon, Rudy is one of the very few NY friends with political experience Trump has. Trump has consulted with him at all hours of the night before election 2016. Remember Trump’s question: will you be loyal? So, USMCLt, Please do not disrespect Rudy. Two forces: object to election using Constitution or object with martial law. You see which force Trump went with. There simply was not enough time in 4 weeks and the plot, planned for years, was simply too complex with too many characters.
red,,,great comment.
I have thought similar.
POTUS comms are VERY de-centralized.
People need ONE place to check into EVERY DAY.
A centralized website with 75 M clicks /day should be the target.
In theory your suggestion is reasonable and sensible, in truth, the mechanisms behind the steal are beyond the comprehension and belief system of the average American. The actual fraud is so staggering as to be unbelievable to most Americans, so simply “putting it out there” isn’t the answer. When people are presented with a preposterous explanation, they look away and move on. Those of us who’ve actually watched and absorbed what has happened cannot believe it, how can you think you can sway those who don’t want to believe it ?
It took time to watch those hearings and it was well worth it. The process of what should have gone on in a federal election became very clear when witnesses gave their reports. I did believe it not only for the evidence, but also because when unscupulous Nancy P said she still had a lot of arrows in her quiver —-well. connect the dots.
Have the dominion machines and software been destroyed? Have any of the Fulton County poll workers like Ruby Freeman and her daughter Shaye Moss been arrested? Have supervisors been brought in for examination? Have ACTUAL paper ballot kinetic artifacts (Jovan Pulitzer) been examined for ink, paper. printing values and folds? Have legislatures made any REAL efforts so far, to seriously change and prevent this from happening again? What about the next time some democrat operative like Stacey A from Ga, goes around the legislature with lawsuits demanding unlawful concessions be made? And the SOS, activist judges and Govenor bend their knees, heads and hearts to them?
THIS IS WHERE WE NEED TO START! Why work for naught?????
The corruption of education is the root. People who know about Joseph and Pharoe are wary of giving their surplus to any state in hopes of future security; they will recognize a ploy to enslave them. That is why the bible is not taught.
People who read Samuel’s admonition to Israelites about the King that they were asking him to annoint will worship God and put not their faith in princes.
These ideas are basic education. They have not been taught in our schools for 50 years.
This year there is no school. Ignorance is a field sowed for tyranny. This year we are both reaping and further sowing that field.
You mean like Ron Coleman’s Here’s the Evidence website? Or Navarro’s two professionally produced reports? All involved did an outstanding job. I know because my eyes ache from reading the abundance of materials. Look, if we can’t be bothered to READ what’s going on in our country, or to WATCH the multitude of videos that parsed the steal and the legalities, then what is the likelihood that we’ll keep this republic?
Refrain from friendly fire, please, especially when your allies have labored long and hard and with great honor.
Carly- you just nailed it. The biggest problems with conservatives- friendly fire and the circular firing squad. Why do you think the Dems keep running rings around us?
There has been an effective demoralization campaign waged on conservatives my whole life. Like an abused creature, if we aren’t being insulted and mocked, then we do among ourselves, even internally (psychologically). We need to be free from that. Trump taught us how to fight for ourselves. We still have much to learn, but I’m hungry to learn it.
Yes, I know.
Can you imagine choosing to be part of a family that runs you down all the time, that acts as if they hate their own blood, unless miracles are worked everyday?
Years ago I read a book called Leaving Home (author Celani) to understand a disturbing trend of adult children shutting out their parents.
Celani’s patients kept coming to him and complaining, in great emotional pain, about the ongoing abuse, yet they would return to their parents for get-togethers.
Finally Celani asked, “Why are you going back if they tear you apart again and again?” It was a revelatory moment for Celani. And I think about that book when conservatives back bite and tear at each other. We are not family, but we must be like family.
Yes BUT a SINGLE centralized website. Not disparate reports.
ALL valid/accurate reports and data to a SINGLE website
Winning means being able to think out of the box. In our ASAP culture we could make and put out bite size chunks of the election fraud facts/videos so that those shorter pieces could catch the mildly disinterested and the uniformed.
We’ve actually got a huge amount of material to work with using all different Americans: black, white, east indian, hispanic, asian and other people who gave their witness reports of the fraud. We have something big and important to say and to keep saying!!
Plus, the average American is sitting fat, dumb and happy. They watch lame stream media and troll Fakebook for their news. They aren’t getting any credible information about the election fraud and are not interested in looking for it. Until the coming economic disaster hits them personally they will live in blissful ignorance with their “free” goodies and once they notice things turning bad it will all be blamed on Trump.
I we are too fat and dumb and lazy to be bothered with the valuable resources we have, then I welcome an invasion of those who will work and care and fight for this country. They should inherit her.
Thank you for this!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, this bothered me too.
Another reason I STILL believe the battle of Normandy/D-DAY is coming in the USA– figuratively speaking– b4 Jan 20.
The Trump Team simply did NOT fight to WIN in 2020, period.
It was EASY for Trump to win in 2020 — the TRUE vote to be made public– by MERELY making it impossible for dems to ORCHESTRATE the steal in the 1st place… which no one did.
… OR, in the alternative, to LET the dems commit massive election fraud and then USE the EO and NSA to catch the criminal dems/rinos in the act of committing the crime, which I prefer bc then u can IDENTIFY the types of fraud we need to protect against in future elections AND toss the criminals in prison to scare FUTURE dems/rinos that there ARE consequences to committing election fraud in the USA… as there obviously should be.
JUST surveillance EVERY counting facility and EVERY counting machine in EVERY state in the union. IS the US GOVT incapable of doing that? No. OF COURSE we can do that… so why didn’t we it?
OR MAYBE WE DID… and that revelation is still to be revealed b4 jan 20.
Your claim that the Trump Team did not fight to win is demonstrably untrue. Did you vacation on Mars during the back-to-back rallies? Were you touring the edge of the universe when Trump gave daily, lengthy updates on COVID (a form of campaigning, one could say)? I could go on, but you understand my point.
Yes, I understand your point.
However, the FACT remains … that is was very obvious, for many months, to KNOW that the dems INTENDED to… and were plotting… in broad daylight… to STEAL the 2020 election… and on a massive scale… and they were … permitted to do it and they succeeded.
Therefore, it was critical to implement measures, b4 the election, to prohibit these criminal acts from occurring.
Its irrelevant how many rallies there were. Its irrelevant how many real votes there are/were for PDJT … IF our votes/ballots CAN BE deleted and/or our votes switched to biden in the systems … which is exactly what did occur.
Not rocket science to know what the dems/rinos were plotting.
We– Trump admin/US govt/Trump campaign/RNC– HAD to EITHER stop dems/biden campaign/DNC/foreign givts …. from committing the crime in the 1st place OR catch them in the act.
I think u know that.
He shoulda done this. He shoulda done that. feh feh feh I will not criticize President Trump, and it’s not because I can’t find any real faults with him. As it turns out, DJT was basically a one man force who was undermined by even many close to him. It’s a miracle he was able to accomplish all that he did, which is one of the reasons the LEFT want him gone. It’s not enough he’s conceded; now they want to impeach him and destroy his business empire. It’s disgusting to watch how those whom he has helped get elected who are now bad-mouthing him. President Trump has more character and class than all of them combined. God will deal with them when the time comes, which can’t be too soon for me. God bless President Trump.
well Dr. Ronny was on the new earlier recounting his harrowing experience the other day at the Capitol. and when the news guy asked what should the President say at least he did not throw POTUS under the bus. He didn;t blame POTUS he said that POTUS said the right thing last night then he said that he does believe there was massive fraud, but then it was like realized what he he said so he kind a just said but basically its a done deal and Joe is our President-Elect. I will give him credit for not trashing POTUS like the other turncoats.
IMO… the left IS evil and very dangerous and now have … great power to effect transformation of America into a totalitarian state… and they intend to do exactly that… swiftly.
PDJT is NO… gullible fool, period.
He DID, in fact, accomplish much domestically and internationally to protect american interests– things NO other potus could– but it CAN be dismantled quickly now IF harris/biden are sworn in jan 20.
I simply cannot believe that PDJT… was duped, fooled, bamboozled by practically everyone surrounding him for 4 years.
I do not believe PDJT– a brilliant strategist as we have witnessed these 4 years re all of his accomplishments & successes –was bamboozled by those HE chose for his team, including Barr, Sessions, Pence, etc…. bc to believe such a thing is … ridiculous on its face especially when HIS own life, his children’s lives, the Trump corp CAN be destroyed by those evil SOBs INSIDE the USA, not outside but inside.
Therefore, to PERMIT himself to be fooled by traitors & backstabbers was always very dangerous to him, personally. No way would he LET himself be fooled.
Basic common sense tells us PT would not permit himself to be fooled w/so much at stake both personally and for the nation.
Now… maybe I am wrong and Trump really was duped by everyone around him.
Maybe Trump was a one-man show trying to save the Republic all by himself w/only enemies and traitors surrounding him. I just have more RESPECT for PDJT than to believe such … nonsense.
We will know for sure… which it is … on Jan 20.
BTW… I have no doubt Trump himself would say what I just wrote.
It certainly LOOKS like PDJT has failed to save the Republic… and drain the swamp… as HE promised. EITHER you caught them all or u did not.
PT certainly looks absolutely destroyed w/his enemies at the WH door trying to drag him out to humiliate him.
That IS what it looks like. Call a spade a spade. And it is AGONIZING for me to watch this done to HIM, and to us. I AM a true Trump loyalist.
So… SOMEHOW… I have FAITH in our President…. that he will NOT fail to save the Republic in the end… as bad & hopeless as it DOES appear at this moment.
This is just one aspect — China’s influence. From the Epoch Times: https://www.theepochtimes.com/infographic-chinas-2020-election-interference_3645973.html?utm_source=share-btn-copylink&st=TGPCT-lbJzOplKZe0dSZGdV4d0BomaodQKGgmPkGBldf1toMtfuYFwV62JMI9zqFypoQp6pQiYoIAcV0vvDPkCRzrYu1J1GtjUI
Another criticism of Trump; does it ever end. The reality is that we citizens did a poor job of policing our city/county/state politicians who run their own voting scheme. The blame is at the start, not at the end of an issue.