Flynn’s Mueller Cooperation – Two Turks Charged With Conspiracy as Agents of Foreign Government…

There’s a rather extensive backstory to the Turkish lobbying efforts that involved Michael Flynn.  [BACKSTORY HERE] Much of the Flynn issue was before the election of 2016 {Go Deep} and recent events align exactly as we would expect {Go Deep}. As CTH predicted the day after the original Flynn plea, the Turkish lobbying was used by Mueller as leverage.

It would appear, as CTH has predicted for well over a year, that Flynn brokered a deal with Robert Mueller to admit to misleading statements to the FBI in exchange for Mueller agreeing not to prosecute Flynn for FARA (lobbying) violations.

As CTH warned in November of 2016 Flynn was involved in lobbying efforts on behalf of the Turkish government via Bijan Rafiekian, aka Bijan Kian, 66, of San Juan Capistrano, California, and Kamil Ekim Alptekin, 41, of Istanbul. The financial constructs surrounding the payments to Flynn were sketchy, very sketchy.

In 2016 CTH anticipated this sketchy behavior would come back to bite Flynn and -by extension- could be an issue for the White House if he took a high level position.  None of that had anything whatsoever to do with the fictitious vast Russian conspiracy story.

It is increasingly clear that Mueller used the sketchy financial arrangement between Turkey and Flynn -specifically how Flynn maneuvered the money- as the leverage in the unrelated Russian conspiracy investigation.

Giving Flynn a pass on his failure to register the arrangement under the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), and the banking issues (possibly IRS trouble), gave Robert Mueller a dual benefit.  In addition to the damaging narrative around Flynn, the FARA escape set-up Mueller’s ability to provide the Podesta brothers the same benefit.

Following the special counsel sentencing memo, we pointed out the criminal investigation referenced within the filing was almost guaranteed to be against Rafiekian and Alptekin {Go Deep}.  Well today, that exact scenario played out. Flynn is “Person A”:

WASHINGTON DC – An indictment was unsealed today charging Bijan Rafiekian, aka Bijan Kian, 66, of San Juan Capistrano, California, and Kamil Ekim Alptekin, 41, of Istanbul, and a Turkish national, with conspiracy, acting in the United States as illegal agents of the government of Turkey, and making false statements to the FBI.

Assistant Attorney General for National Security John C. Demers, U.S. Attorney G. Zachary Terwilliger for the Eastern District of Virginia, and Assistant Director in Charge Nancy McNamara of the FBI’s Washington Field Office, made the announcement.

According to allegations in the indictment, the two men were involved in a conspiracy to covertly influence U.S. politicians and public opinion against a Turkish citizen living in the United States whose extradition had been requested by the Government of Turkey. The plot included using a company founded by Rafiekian and a person referred to as “Person A” [Flynn] in the indictment. The company, referred to as “Company A” in the indictment, provided services based upon Person A’s national security expertise.

The indictment charges that the purpose of the conspiracy was to use Company A to delegitimize the Turkish citizen in the eyes of the American public and United States politicians, with the goal of obtaining his extradition, which was meeting resistance at the U.S. Department of Justice. At the same time, the conspirators sought to conceal that the Government of Turkey was directing the work. However, not only did Turkish cabinet-level officials approve the budget for the project, but Alptekin provided the Turkish officials updates on the work, and relayed their directions on the work to Rafiekian, Person A, and others at Company A.

According to allegations in the indictment, the scheme included using a Dutch company owned by Alptekin to appear to be the “client” of Company A and to pay the company’s fee of $600,000, which was to be paid in three installments. Alptekin made the payments from an account in Turkey. The indictment alleges that after Alptekin made the payments to Company A, it was to kick back 20 percent of the payments to Alptekin’s company in the Netherlands, and two such kickbacks were made.  (read more)

Here’s the indictment:

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As we have shared from the beginning – this is all about DC politics, not judicial crimes in the same vein as everyone else would be charged.

You cannot view the current action through the transactional prism of modern judicial proceedings as they relate to you and me. These are political struggles taking place inside the venue of the legal system. The players use the legal system to game out the optics and narrative of political battles for ideological wins and losses.

In essence, this is about leverage for political use.

The 2016 election caused a big shakeup in the balance of power away from the professional political forces inside Washington DC.  A shift favorably toward political forces that are external to the DC machine, ie. President Trump and the deplorables; that shift is the risk to the system.  That makes President Trump a risk to the order of things.

The subsequent action by Robert Mueller, Democrats, the Media (writ large), and President Trump is a confrontation over political goals and objectives. The DC machine, the “swamp” per se’, is attempting to frame leverage against actions adverse to their political interest.

The Sword of Damocles is swinging over the DC swamp. President Trump is fanning the candle flame and Robert Mueller was/is attempting to reinforce the horsehair.

 

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113 Responses to Flynn’s Mueller Cooperation – Two Turks Charged With Conspiracy as Agents of Foreign Government…

  1. FofBW says:

    I think most are gun shy about expectations of the swinging sword and when it will happen.

    Yet still optimistic it will. Just want it and want it now!!

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  2. HBD says:

    A big box of bream hooks couldn’t be more tangled up 🤦🏻‍♂️

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  3. Sharpshorts says:

    Blackmail by any other name….Mueller, he seems nice.

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    • Hebo Sabe says:

      It’s not hard to see why we lose so often. We don’t play by their rules.

      Liked by 2 people

      • JoAnn Leichliter says:

        That’s because they recognize no rules as applying to them.

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      • Sharpshorts says:

        …and they know that we won’t stoop to their level – even when a lot of people are thinking that we should. Kermit the frog’s lament “it’s hard being green”…
        Being principled can be too.

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      • USMCLt says:

        Honest men are handicapped by the reality that they think and act in an honest manner. Sadly, in all out war there is no room nor time for honesty. The shopworn statement, “we are better than that” reflects thinking that is guaranteed to lose every time against the forces of evil. To win this epic battle, we must be nastier and more ruthless than they are.

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        • Nathan Hale says:

          If this is a war between good and evil, and I believe it is, cwe act in a manner worse than they are and not become what they are? If this is not possible, what have we gained by our victory?

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        • Nathan Hale says:

          If this is a war between good and evil, and I believe it is, CAN WE act in a manner worse than they are and not become what they are? If this is not possible, what have we gained by our victory?

          Sorry for the double post-reading glasses typo…

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  4. fleporeblog says:

    Our President is an APEX Predator! What he has been doing over the past two years is preparing the battlefield against the Uniparty.

    In my opinion, a Treeper by the name of railer wrote the post of the year because he hits it completely on its head.

    Here is the post (WE ARE WINNING):

    The US House doesn’t matter. If they want to have their freshmen members vote to impeach the president, they can do so, but it will cost those freshmen some seats in 2020, and the US Senate will never get to a 67 vote to remove the president, so it will have been for naught. Trump will come out of that process politically strengthened, and the Ryanites who disappeared from the House in 2018 will be replaced by Trump candidates in 2020, when he will be on the ballot. It’s an overall win for him, as those House RINOs were garbage anyway, and it’s the Senate that matters in all this.

    I highly doubt the Swamp creatures will ever take that impeachment vote, but I have little doubt Trump will privately challenge them to do so, as he understands all of the above.

    Trump is seeking to put on full display that the US Senate doesn’t have the 67 votes or anything close to it. He’s doing this via the current Wall fight, an ostensibly partisan budgetary battle between him and Schumer, but in reality a fight between Trump and the Uniparty, in which Trump is forcing McConnell to break the Uniparty 60 vote threshold to pass the Wall funding, and get it through with a simple majority.

    If Trump can break McConnell on this, he will have broken the Uniparty’s decades-long stranglehold on budgetary process. No longer will federal spending come in the form of one massive Uniparty Cromnibus, which the president is obligated to shut up and sign, no matter whether the president’s priorities are included. Trump will have forced a budget priority that the entire Uniparty is paid to block. He will have done this with raw, naked political intimidation.

    The Swamp fears a shutdown above all else. It is an unknown, and the Swamp’s paymasters are paying for certainty, not unknowns. Like impeachment, a shutdown works in the president’s political favor, as in both cases the political downside falls on the Uniparty. Neither the voters or the Swamp paymasters want a shutdown, and they will have their revenge on the Uniparty, not the president. Reelection is the only thing that matters to the Swamp, and Trump is threatening this.

    Everything Trump has done this year budget-wise has pointed to this moment, and he has all options available. It is a typical Trumpian strategy, with depth and breadth, with other positive knock-on effects in play, yet offering Trump maximum flexibility to settle where he wants. In addition to the budget matters, this fight is proxy for the use of the 67 vote removal threat McConnell intends to use against Trump. If Trump kneecaps McConnell on this Wall fight and the 60 vote threshold, the entire world will see that McConnell has surrendered due to Trump’s political pressure, and given up the prime tool that the Uniparty uses to fulfill its paymasters’ demands. Think McConnell will push for 67 votes going into the 2020 election, with 20-25 of his caucus up in R primaries? I don’t.

    Trump is making McConnell an offer he can’t refuse. And after he refuses to refuse it, Trump will spend the next 2 years jamming his budgetary priorities up McConnell’s and the Uniparty’s nether regions, just like he’s doing with this wall funding. This is the killshot. This is the one.

    Schumer is merely a stalking horse. Watch McConnell.

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    • Conundrum says:

      With the blackmail the Uniparty brings to control votes, can we be certain the 67 vote total cannot be reached?

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      • fanbeav says:

        67 votes for paying off a porn star?

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      • fleporeblog says:

        No because Republicans saw in this last election that our President can remove anyone and lift up anyone. Ron DeSantis was the perfect example in Florida and the POS Flake was the perfect example on the other end of the spectrum.

        Mitch McConnell is up for reelection in 2020! He knows damn well that he would be screwed and won’t even dare go there.

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    • Bogeyfree says:

      McConnell IMO would rather die a slow death than give up the 60 vote threshold. No wall and no simple majority IMO.

      The money, power and influence is far too important to McConnell and the Uniparty than doing what the American people want.

      McConnell IMO is Schumer except he wears an elephant pin vs a donkey pin for disguise.

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      • fleporeblog says:

        The exposure of a Government Shutdown that shows the American people that it is all make believe is far greater for them. Plus you can’t have any hearings while the government is shutdown. In this case only a few departments will be shutdown. Come September, the entire government. Our President will not relent one inch.

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        • modustollenz says:

          This is the time to play this card IMO. A real shutdown over substance, not bluster, will give a lot of inspiration to Trump supporters that are dismayed at what the next two years will bring. In my mind, a shut down puts Trump on the offensive and he will break the dims/rinos backs if they are unwilling to find a measly $5 billion for the wall that 70% of the country wants and is why Trump is POTUS. He can hammer them day after day that they are willing to shut down the gov’t to keep open borders.

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      • Nathan Hale says:

        I agree, McConnell moving off the 60 vote rule will be a real test for Hercules-Trump. If our President pulls this off- nothings impossible.

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    • jmuniz1 says:

      Fleporg blod your analysis is excellent. I could not agree more.

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    • jmuniz1 says:

      Fleporg blod your analysis is excellent. I could not agree more.

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  5. I had not yet begun attending the Sundance Tree House School of Technology back when SD first wrote about the Flynn case, but have been able to catch up very rapidly thanks to the wonders of this blog..

    When I go back and read what my hero Sundance wrote and how prescient he was, my admiration and amazement know no bounds.

    I am eternally grateful for having found the Tree House and wonderful people who hang out here. There is simply no place else like it.

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  6. Vince says:

    Looks like the Podestas are off the hook completely.

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  7. Rodney Plonker says:

    In view of this I say that Turkey should get sanctions for meddling with our elections. Oh wait, Russia is not Turkey and Turkey on paper opposes Russia for backing Syria. Nevermind.

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  8. Bogeyfree says:

    Oh how I wish PT would expose all the dirt on Uranium One.

    It’s time for the other team to feel some heat,

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  9. mswinkle says:

    Congratulations SD, you predicted correctly that Tump appointing Flynn would come back to bite Trump.

    Also, I know there are loads of Flynn ‘is a goood man’ supporters, but reading this now and what SD posted 2 years ago I see things in a different light. Basically Mueller got Flynn to cop a plea on the ‘lying not lying’ in exchange for Mueller not charging him with the Turkish stuff. By taking the plea, Flynn gave lots of legs to the whole Russia, Russsia, Russia, and in doing so he knowingly gave the swamp leverage over Trump. Seems Flynn took the easy way out for himself, and copped a plea to what are obviously bogus charges, which Mueller would have had to drop. as a result Flynn let the country and Trump be dragged down by SC and collusion crap.

    maybe, I am being too harsh, but that is how I read it now, and maybe that is how Trump has read it all along.

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    • justlizzyp says:

      Good man or not, liar or not, there is no excuse for depriving a citizen of his constitutional rights.

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    • Fake News says:

      He been riding dirty. Fanboys in denial.

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    • Sparty says:

      I don’t think you are being to harsh. You nailed it. Flynn was representing a truly rotten regime and drags his sketchy greedy scam into the White House, putting a whole administration at risk. Flynn deserves the karma brought on himself. Worst of all Flynn sells out and by doing so fans the Mueller flame. Selfish. Crooked. Who knows what else Flynn could have done if left to run loose inside the WH.

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      • Fake News says:

        Sparty
        Spot on. But if you dared to say this even a short while ago the self righteous trolls would have mounted an attack and tried run you off here. The same idiots were defending a scum bag like manafort. People need to wake up. I do find it interesting that Mueller has actually taken down a bunch of swamp scum that were actually hurting and back stabbing POTUS. Manafort gates Flynn pappy Cohen. All dirty.

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      • Nathan Hale says:

        I have no laurels to give or axes to grind regarding Flynn, but it does surprise me how some posters here swing from one pole to the opposite extreme.

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        • Dutchman says:

          Its a symptom of abuse. Talking to a woman who’s husband was abusive.

          If I would say bad things about him, she,would DEFEND him.

          If I said good things or defended him, she would say bad things about him.
          I could flip her back and forth, every few minutes, endlessly.

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    • On the other hand, while no one here likes the Turkish government of Erdogan, the man Flynn et al. were trying to get kicked out of our country is not any better. He is, from the little I read in a comment or two in another article page on CTH, a dangerous influence upon our youth, with islamic-based schools implanted in America.

      Sundance should write an article (or more) on this..

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  10. listingstarboard says:

    There has to be restoration of Law and Order in this country –we have to do whatever we can to get POTUS re-elected!!

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  11. Amy2 says:

    So if the judge happened to throw out Flynn’s case, does his agreement with Mueller still stand?

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  12. chojun says:

    Noteworthy here is that FARA violations are beginning to be prosecuted. It’s my understanding that these violations are rarely prosecuted.

    This can only be good for the state of things in the US swamp. I’m certain that via Manafort alone there are huge downstream consequences to FARA being prosecuted. Podesta falls within that sphere of corruption.

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    • Scott says:

      It’s only good if the other side gets indicted and convicted as well.

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    • justlizzyp says:

      But they are being selectively prosecuted so far. In other words, Mueller is justifying his existence by pursuing and prosecuting crimes that are unrelated to his mission and that have been famously overlooked for years. Selectively exercised prosecutorial discretion reeks of bias.

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      • chojun says:

        Correct, and your point is valid, but I’m hopeful that precedent for prosecution is being established here.

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        • justlizzyp says:

          Wouldn’t that be a refreshing change? I mean, we have the former Director of the FBI on Capital Hill telling Congress that THEY are horrible petty small minded fear mongers for daring to question why he might have made the decision to abandon every SOP and thumb his nose at all protocol in a high profile, politically charged investigation. Then he insults Fox because – they hurt his feelings or something.

          I would love some evenly applied justice!

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    • railer says:

      Correct. Draining the Swamp means cutting off their water, which is cash flow. FARA candidacy is the tool by which foreign interests manipulate our politics, and the Swamp soaks up that cash to help manipulate us. It’s a small step, and the Swamp will fight it, but it is a step. We need to start jailing these people. Flynn danced with the devil… eff him for that.

      This isn’t a partisan issue. Remember, the Swamp is a Uniparty. McConnell’s family is cashing in from their foreign benefactors, same as Feinstein’s. All these ex-generals you see on Fox News are cashing in on their foreign benefactors, same as Flynn was obviously trying to do.

      This is ammunition in Trump’s arsenal. He’ll decide when and how to deploy it, or not.

      I have no empathy for Flynn, even if it’s obvious Mueller and his thugs are using him to get Trump.

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      • chojun says:

        Your anger against Flynn is understandable, but read the indictments carefully. It looks like the indicted used deceptive tactics to use Flynn to spy on Gulen. Flynn appears to be unaware that the Turkish government was a beneficiary of his involvement.

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        • railer says:

          Flynn’s money was coming from somewhere, and it’s his job to know that somewhere, as the ex-head of the DIA should clearly understand. If it’s a foreign agent, it has to be considered problematic, if not illegal. I believe Flynn jumped into these waters after he left the military in 2014, and looked for some quick cash and didn’t fully consider his situation, certainly not to the degree he needed to considering he was joining the Trump campaign.

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          • chojun says:

            Read the indictment carefully. The interpretation that I’m seeing is that the co-conspirators sought to conceal the origin of the money that was paid to Flynn.

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            • railer says:

              This implies Flynn was a dupe. Dupes can commit crimes and be held accountable for those crimes, which Flynn obviously is, as he’s appeared to have turned state’s evidence against his former partners, who are being prosecuted, while Mueller seems to be allowing him off the hook.

              Flynn was nominated as NSA, national security advisor to the WH, and is to be considered unqualified for the position if he can’t follow a money trail into his own company. I believe he did know. He may have engaged in deceit, and shielded these actions from the Trump campaign, but hundreds of thousands of dollars don’t change hands without the leader of the company knowing a potential problem exists. It doesn’t matter that the group paying you is “Americans for Americanism in America”, Flynn knows as well as anybody else that the Swamp is full of Chinese/Turk/British/Saudi/Whoever front groups willing to pay for access.

              Flynn either knew or he’s a complete moron. I don’t believe he’s a moron, I believe he’s reckless and foolish, and got himself crossways with the neocon establishment, and then joined the “evil Trump campaign”. The lying to the FBI charges are fabricated, but what got him over a barrel, as with Cohen, is his own reckless greed in other areas of his life, which the Mueller thugs are leveraging to get at Trump. I wouldn’t care if Flynn and his Turk buddies go to jail for life for scheming with a foreign power, but I do care that his recklessness has opened up the WH to this taint.

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              • Nathan Hale says:

                I suspect you are right but are the only alternatives really only polar opposites?

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              • chojun says:

                All of this is possible, but if you read the indictment, it suggests that the Flynn Intel group attorney(s) were duped.

                If you think that Flynn is guilty of stupidity because his attorneys didn’t spot this then you must also agree that Trump is a fraudster because Cohen didn’t advise him against the hush payments (I don’t think that makes Trump a ‘fraudster’ anyway but I’m just trying to make a point).

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  13. listingstarboard says:

    So does John Kerry.

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  14. ARW says:

    Flynn’s sentencing memos and these Turks seem to have a calmer and more sane narrative associated with them. The same can be said of the Russian female lobbyist. Unlike the craziness from SDNY.

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  15. Nigella says:

    So should the president pardon Flynn?

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    • ristvan says:

      No need.
      Sullivan will toss the ‘Russia lying’ Flynn plea tomorrow based on the missing original 302.
      Flynn got careless and a little dirty concerning Turkey, but that has NOTHING to do with PDJT or his campaign. Keep your powder dry and don’t fire til you see the whites of their eyes both remain good advice today.

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    • snellvillebob says:

      Maybe Judge Sullivan can put both Flint and Mueller in the same prison cell. Mueller would lose that one.

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  16. @ChicagoBri says:

    I really want to care, really. Yet after all this time, all of the maneuvering, it seems as though nothing is going to happen to the conspirators attempting to undo a US election.

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    • ristvan says:

      in my opinion way too pessimistic, for three reasons.
      First, it aint over til its over. McCabe has been criminally referred. In re FISA and PDJT’s ability to declassify the Page warrant application, Comey, Lynch, Yates, and Rosenstein are all at risk of a 18USC1018 false attestation. Just some examples. We now know there is an active criminal investigation of. Linton Coundation pay to play.

      Second, it isn’t absolutely necessary (although would be nice) that folks get tried and convicted. PDJT is educating the country on the Deep State, and destroying all their reputations. Yates fired. Comey fired and exposed for ‘I don’t know/don’t remember. Strzok disgraced in front of Congress for his tweets. Mueller shooting blanks.

      Third, the Dems in the House (plus new NY AG) have already signaled their intent to over reach and persecute PDJT, his family and associates, and his businesses. PDJT survived the ‘dirty’ NYC real estate development scene for 40 years without a scratch. His comolex tax reurns have been audited for years by the IRS. He will counterpunch Dems so hard they won’t know what hit them. Stupid to telegraph your Dem TDSplans, giving PDJT’s team more months to plan and prepare the counterassult. Next two years are going to be VERY instructive. The Tuesday WH Pelosi/Schumer fiasco is just a small foreshadowing of what is likely to come.

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      • Ad rem says:

        Sorry ristvan…you comment got caught in the bin. 😦

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        • Dutchman says:

          Glad you saved it, good one!
          I agree with you again, ristvan.

          When HE said, “if they DON’T want to work with me, for whats in the best interest of America, but instead want to continue resistance, I’ll hit them harder than anyones ever been hit!” I thought he meant releading documents, but I think your right, fiasco was a first jab.

          They are STILL reeling with that, as he’s winding up for a roundhouse, thats gonna screw em into the canvas!

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        • ristvan says:

          Ad Rem, on WordPress sruff just happens.TY. I was too lazy to repost as the thread had moved on.

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      • @ChicagoBri says:

        For the hundreds of thousands of us who are here and appreciate the yeoman’s work done by Sundance, there are tens of millions who have no clue what happened.

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  17. It sounds a lot like muscle they tried or are trying to pull on Corsi , he said that Mueller team wanted him to (falsely) admit to making an Assange / Wiki /Trump campaign connection otherwise they are/were going to throw the kitchen sink at him on anything and whatever else they could find or dig up or manufacture on him . Cohen was exactly the same – big multi year tax fraud sentence ahead for him unless admitted to phony campaign “ crimes” . Flynn railroaded into a non crime or minor process crime admission the same way for sole purpose of advancing collusion narrative. In retrospect Flynn should have just signed up with one of the established lobbying shops and made his money that way .

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  18. chojun says:

    I somewhat disagree that Flynn was obviously dirty in the Turkish lobbying deal.

    See this analysis:

    It looks to me that Flynn’s associates were using/abusing him.

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    • chojun says:

      See the following from Chuck Ross.

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      • chojun says:

        From this article, it looks like Flynn’s associates set up shell companies to hide the involvement of the Turkish government from Flynn. They used Flynn to get access to his investigative resources to build the case to deport/extradite Gulen.

        It’s QUITE possible that given Flynn’s former role in the DIA that he was a contractor given access to the NSA database and was able to make 702 queries on Gulen (just speculating here). This would make Flynn an invaluable asset to these types of shady actors. Gulen is not a US person so people could spy on him to their heart’s content.

        Call me crazy but part of me wonders if this whole thing stems from abuse of FISA but they’re nailing these people on FARA because they don’t want to raise the noise level on the already controversial FISA.

        Remember that part of Mueller’s charter is that he’s a continuation of a counterintelligence investigation that began in the FBI.

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    • Deplorable_Infidel says:

      “It looks to me that Flynn’s associates were using/abusing him.”

      If your spending all of your money defending yourself against a Special Council staffed by people of highly questionable personal integrity, than you certainly do not have the time and resources to pursue rectifying that situation.

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    • f.fernandez says:

      https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1074781257408634880.html

      A good read on Flynn’s work in 2015. Definitely adds new wrinkles to it. Flynn working WITH the FBI.

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      • Paqul Killinger says:

        Carter Page worked with the FBI, too. In fact he went undercover and wore a wire for them to help convict some Russians.

        But that didn’t stop them from turning around and accusing him of being a “Russian Agent” to procure their bogus FISA Warrants when they KNEW he wasn’t, did it?

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  19. f.fernandez says:

    So Flynn isn’t pure as the driven snow but Mueller is using any and all means to tie anything to Trump.

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  20. Arrest Soros says:

    It seems to me that Flynn had to resign not so much for “lying” to VP Pence, but because he was not 100% forthcoming about his dealings with Turkey when he joined the Trump team.
    It also seems to me that all the people charged by Mueller or because of Mueller, were in one way or another crooks or dangers to the Trump team.
    Furthermore, quite a number of crooks have been fired or forced to resign from the DoJ FBI etc.
    Make of it what you will, because I sure am confused and frustrated. Getting a Podesta or any other Killary Cabal indicted would be welcome manna.

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  21. Sandra-VA says:

    This business with Turkey/Flynn has always bothered me… something just not right about it. Why would he do this DURING the campaign while he was on the campaign trail with DJT? And why help Turkey try to get Gulen back? AT THIS TIME. The op-ed was really a stunner because it was released the day before the election. Just very odd.

    He is a smart man and well versed in the ways of the world, was it really him involved with this Turkey deal? Was it a set up?

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    • Maybe it’s not so much Turkey getting him back as it is getting his influence and his cult schools out of our country…

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    • GB Bari says:

      I don’t know, Sandra. Maybe he isn’t quite as smart as we have either assumed because of his former DIA position, or been led to believe by others’ singing his praises.

      For someone who has dwelled among the Swampians for as long as he has, he seems to have allowed a lot of unnecesssary garbage to wash up into his front yard.

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  22. Kate says:

    It seems that Flynn layed down with the dogs ( FBI & Dems) and caught their fleas.

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  23. Concernedcitizen says:

    Now we know why Gen. Flynn pled guilty to the bogus lying to the FBI charge. But by doing so, Flynn allowed Mueller to use his plea to the detriment of President Trump. In other words, Mueller used this plea to further the “Russia Collusion” narrative in order to politically damage the President. This is very similar to the dishonest tactic used by the SDNY in the Michael Cohen plea in which Cohen pled guilty to a bogus campaign finance violation involving a private transaction. All done in the effort to destroy the President.

    I used to be sympathetic to Gen, Flynn. No longer. He is Swamp.

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  24. Summer says:

    It all goes back to poor judgment exercised by our VSG when it comes to nominating anyone outside his field of expertise (trade etc.). Flynn, Sessions, Rosenstein, Wray, should I continue?

    Self-inflicted wounds also include Cohen, Manafort, Don Jr.’s stupid Trump tower meeting, initial attempts to pacify the treacherous, hate-filled enemies and “unite the country” by offering the Clintons and the Demons an olive branch (how did that turn out?) instead of going on the offensive AS PROMISED; not firing Comey on day one, not firing Sessions right after his recusal, not appointing as many special Counsels as needed to investigate the crimes of the previous administration so the opposition would feel scared and overwhelmed and the supporters encouraged etc. etc.

    President Trump has chosen the role of the “President for ALL Americans” which is a noble goal in theory but ineffective one when the population doesn’t really appreciate it. The Left is hating him no matter what and the Right is unhappy because of the perceived lack of progress with Drain the Swamp and Build that Wall, the looming troubles in Congress and Mueller still running unchecked.

    He has done so much for the economy, it probably hurts him a lot to think how ungrateful and unappreciative people can be. The voters even handed Pelosi the House so she and her vile bunch can now impeach the guy who gave them jobs, more safety and prosperity and improved their lives in more ways than they even understand. That alone fully justifies my general misanthropic attitude.

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    • GB Bari says:

      While I would tend to agree with your assessment of a certain share of blame going to the President for the continuing series of missteps by sme of his associates, I will remind you (and myself and others) that this President has faced an entirely hostile DC Swamp unlike that of ANY other incoming president in the 20th or 21st century.

      Now some say he had this all planned out but I seriously doubt he could foresee everything because if he did he would not have permitted these legally or ethically shady people onto his campaign team only for them to later become serious distractions to his progress.

      But he did allow them onto the team but he also fireed them as soon as he was aware of problems. He is not indecisive. But I am also certain that he has been persuaded to hire some (who turned out to be not-so-great) by very deceitful people who managed to get close to him by either gaining his trust early on or who took advantage of his limited knowledge of the pool of personnel for each position.

      PDJT has a great agenda, a great heart, great patriotism, and an terrific business mind as well as negotiation skills. But I don’t think he was quite prepared for the political and Lawfare war in the way it has played out. He was an outsider and apparently there were and are far too few DC insiders who were/are eager to see the Swamp drained by an outsider much less drained at all.

      That said, I still trust VSGPDJT’s ability to learn at light spoed and his boldness to make adjustments on the fly regardless of the political spin attacking him for so doing.

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      • railer says:

        Good post. Trump is the target of the biggest political conspiracy scandal in US history.

        The biggest.

        Nobody I can conceive of could have accomplished the things he’s done, all while fighting off these Swamp creatures, who are unanimously opposing him by means legal and illegal. These Uniparty monsters would have driven out any normal human being. He’s fended them off and still accomplished his day job.

        This is a remarkable executive. No sense blaming Trump for the conspiracy. He and his hires haven’t caused it.

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    • Fake News says:

      Summer
      You are bringing your A game. Well said. It’s unfortunate that beyond his idiot kids POTUS had so many bad hires. even worse were the people on here who insist that it’s part of some 3d chess plan. Nope. POTUS hired a lot of dirty bums. Flynn manafort Cohen wanted to have their past sins cleansed by a new president. They used him. Omarossa the mooch Porter javanka. Yuck!!! They need a hiring Czar. And clean up the comms shop. Get on message!

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      • Shar says:

        He hired a lot of dirty bums…
        Are we beginning to realize that virtually all of them are dirty bums? I think quite literally that one never advances far enough to become qualified for that level of position without becoming a dirty bum–to some extent. So there are no “not-a-dirty-bum” options. And when they are all dirty bums they are all subject to Uniparty manipulation and extortion. As long as you dont cross Uniparty everything is fine. When you do you are fubared.

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        • Dutchman says:

          In order to be a ‘made member’, in the gang, you need to commit a gang ordered ‘hit’, to ‘make your bones’.

          In order to be a membercof the Big club (and you aren’t IN it!) you need to be DIRTY. That way you won’t ‘inform’ on their dirty laundry, cause they will inform on YOURS.
          Its MAD; Mutual Assured Destruction.

          EVERYONE in the Big club, has a dirty dark secret of some kind, its the price of menbership.

          And you’ll never get Senate confirmation, unless your a member of the Big club. Therefore only non-Senate confirmation positions can be filled by those not ‘in the Big club’.

          How many of those on Candidate DJT’s campaign staff, in the West Wing?

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          • Doc says:

            And I get the increasing feeling that the prime secret among them is diddling kids.

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          • railer says:

            Good post. Trump has to avoid hiring Swamp creatures, and this is exceedingly difficult for him to do, as they infest the Swamp. And as you mention, the Swamp will ONLY confirm Swamp creatures, Trump has zero choice here.

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  25. MaineCoon says:

    I remember my shock reading the linked Flynn article published 11/8/2016 in the Hill and thinking it was wrong and going to be trouble for POTUS. It just didn’t add up, but it was glossed over by many, swept under the carpet and totally forgotten as the accolades were heaped upon him.

    A disclosure was posted subsequent to the article’s publication, as follows:

    Editor’s Note: On March 8, 2017, four months after this article was published, General Flynn filed documents with the Federal government indicating that he earned $530,000 last fall for consulting work that might have aided the government of Turkey. In the filings, Flynn disclosed that he had received payments from Inovo BV, a Dutch company owned by a Turkish businessman with ties to Turkey’s president and that Inovo reviewed the draft before it was submitted to The Hill. Neither General Flynn nor his representatives disclosed this information when the essay was submitted.

    Bottom line for me is Flynn was responsible for his choice and involvement in this scenario and by his actions has caused my President harm. His entire support in the early campaign had an angle for his own self-interest. It wasn’t all about Trump. Now he has given Podesta a get out of jail card. Plus, his GoFundMe fund paid much of his legal fees by Trump supporters not realizing the harm he caused Trump and the draining-the-swamp cause.

    I have no respect for him. Feel free to correct me on any misconceptions.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/foreign-policy/305021-our-ally-turkey-is-in-crisis-and-needs-our-support

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  26. WeThePeople2016 says:

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    • railer says:

      Looks like Flynn walks and we get our first whack at the inner workings of the surveillance state, as executed here with an unmasking of Flynn and the follow on spying on him, and then a contrived lying to the FBI charge. This gohn be gud.

      I expect some festive tweets will emanate from the WH soon.

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  27. jbowen82 says:

    What a coincidence that this indictment is announced the day before Judge Sullivan is due to sentence General Flynn! Almost like Mueller and the DOJ have an agenda.

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  28. pnj01 says:

    The Minute Order could be good for Mueller or bad. We need to see it.

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    • jbowen82 says:

      The news here is that the FBI gave up the original 302, it was just under seal so no one knew. I betcha one of the redactions is the name of the other agent, which everyone knows anyway.

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  29. simicharmed says:

    I believe everybody here NEEDS to be reevaluating their feelings and logic with regards to Mr. Flynn. May be a “nice” guy to some but he may be an (another), imposter to others.

    Every one of these life-long government employees are suspect – military personnel or not. Vicious world and vicious people spawn out of Washington DC…

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    • Dutchman says:

      Frankly, I never was all that excited about Flynn, one way or the other. For me, it has always been about the potential to blow up in Muellers face, and it still is.

      I figured God would take care of Flynn. If he is a white hat, he will be made victorious. If not, he may be paying for transgressions in this life.

      And I pray I live to see how it all turns out!

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      • simicharmed says:

        Indeed Dutchman. I never bought into this “Flynn-Love”. He, along with ALL the other “love-names”, are 100% suspect in these matters. Converting Swamp-Members was never an option. President Trump is wading in the swamp. His Family is truly all he can rely on…. All the other are simply “Feel-Good” names we can have “hope” in….

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  30. WSB says:

    And here are further possibilities between Gulen and the Clintons:

    “In other words, Bill Clinton “actually stepped in and saved this terrorist, this criminal, this heroin operator and this happened on Bill Clinton’s watch. So, this is why I’m emphasizing the importance of these emails that we would like to see and analyze.

    “With the coming emails, we are going to see that they were being paid off further through all the money [$20B]; the drug money, the heroin money, the money-laundering money, the Islamic terror money, that has been funneled from Gülen and his network to, of course Hillary Clinton our Presidential Candidate, to her Foundation.”

    https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/wikileaks-hillary-gulen-intimate-ties-andamp-how-clintons-gave-birth-to-mullah-gulen-s-terrorist-network-27800/

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  31. Nathan Hale says:

    If this is a war between good and evil, and I believe it is, cwe act in a manner worse than they are and not become what they are? If this is not possible, what have we gained by our victory?

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  32. TwoLaine says:

    BTW, this is exactly what Judge T.S. Ellis WAS referring to as singing and composing:

    The judge said prosecutors wanted the former Trump campaign official to “sing,” but he worried that REDACTED AMERICAN might also “compose.”

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