Leverage in The Swamp – Mueller Reinforcing The Horsehair Holding DC’s Sword of Damocles…

Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn releases a statement following his plea agreement with Special Counsel Robert Mueller:

It would appear, as CTH has predicted for well over a year, that Flynn brokered a deal with Robert Mueller to admit to misleading statements to the FBI in exchange for Mueller agreeing not to prosecute Flynn for his FARA (lobbying) violations.

As CTH warned in November of 2016 Flynn was involved in lobbying efforts on behalf of the Turkish government.  The financial constructs surrounding the payments to Flynn were sketchy, very sketchy.  CTH anticipated this sketchy behavior would come back to bite Flynn and -by extension- could be an issue for the White House if he took a high level position.  None of that had anything whatsoever to do with the fictitious vast Russian conspiracy story.

It is increasingly clear that Mueller used the sketchy financial arrangement between Turkey and Flynn -specifically how Flynn maneuvered the money- as the leverage in the unrelated Russian conspiracy investigation.

Giving Flynn a pass on his failure to register the arrangement under the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), and the banking issues (possibly IRS trouble), gets Robert Mueller a dual benefit.

Benefit #1 – Robert Mueller gets Flynn as a notch on his political belt and; Benefit #2 simultaneously sets up a scenario where he can allow Tony Podesta et al, to skate prosecution for similar illegal and sketchy lobbying activity.

This dual benefit approach would, essentially, be an escape valve for Muller to comply with the leverage the Clinton Crime Syndicate have over him (Uranium One etc.) and protect John and Tony Podesta from criminal investigation over their illegal lobbying constructs.

No doubt Mueller would like to shake his way out from under the Clinton controlled Sword of Damocles.

Conversely, the failure of Mueller to indict the Podesta brothers becomes favorable leverage for Paul Manafort who is criminally accused of the same conduct Tony Podesta has thus far avoided.

No doubt Manafort’s legal team would contrast the politics of Mueller charging Manafort for almost identical activity Mueller is unwilling to charge Podesta of.

As we have shared from the beginning – this is all about DC politics, not judicial crimes in the same vein as everyone else would be charged.

You cannot view the current action through the transactional prism of modern judicial proceedings as they relate to you and me. These are political struggles taking place inside the venue of the legal system. The players use the legal system to game out the optics and narrative of political battles for ideological wins and losses.

In essence, this is about leverage for political use.

The 2016 election caused the balance of power to shift favorably toward political forces that are external to the DC machine, ie. President Trump and the deplorables.

The subsequent action by Robert Mueller, Democrats, the Media (writ large), and President Trump is a confrontation over political goals and objectives. The DC machine, the “swamp” per se’, is attempting to frame leverage against actions adverse to their political interest.

The Sword of Damocles is swinging, President Trump is fanning the candle flame and Robert Mueller is attempting to reinforce the horsehair.

The charging documents unsealed in the Manafort indictment are a case study in leverage and narrative exploitation. To save time, and rather than go through the entire indictment, Andrew McCarthy has a good deconstruction OUTLINED HERE.  The charging documents today against Michael Flynn represent a similar leveraged construct. Again, Andrew McCarthy has a solid outline on the issues SEE HERE.

Paul Manafort is being leveraged toward a political objective; his legal jeopardy is negligible. The documents, and the underlying charges, are intended to make life miserable for Mr. Manafort – not to end with some traditionally framed criminal consequence, ie. prison.

Likewise Michael Flynn was being leveraged toward a similar political objective; his legal jeopardy is just as minimal, but Flynn is not as well-off as Manafort, thus the plea agreement was likely driven as much by money as it was the underlying unfounded and inconsequential nature of the entire accusation to the larger issue of ‘Muh Russia‘.

Both Michael Flynn and Paul Manafort’s wealth were/are being held as leverage, compliance, toward acquiescence within the game; nothing more. Both likely end up with some charge, a financial fine good enough for media optics and perhaps -at worst- some probation for not following the FARA rules (Manafort). That’s it.

Conversely, on the other side of the political continuum, Tony and John Podesta are within the leverage process yet hold the larger political clout of the Clinton Crime Syndicate.   Like Manafort and Flynn, Tony Podesta most likely will not face legal jeopardy, if any at all, beyond a similar outcome; thanks in part to Podesta’s connection to the deeper part of the swamp where the Clinton Crime Syndicate previously held court.

In the bigger picture of the Clinton dynamic you have Robert Mueller putting that deeper part of the Deep Swamp and remaining black hat intelligence community, on notice to knock-it-off with the selling of U.S. policy toward gaining their own financial indulgences. Mueller is generally positioning himself to exhaust all of the player’s political leverage.

K-Street lobbyists, writ large, are also part of the intended recipient group of this message. There’s also a part of this dynamic where the familiar tug-of-war between Clinton camps and Obama camps are playing out within the party apparatus.

You can spot the internecine “leverage/tug-of-war” within the original Washington Post (intelligence community leak) sacrificing Clinton to protect Obama over the Fusion GPS funding; in direct connection to Tony Podesta leaving the (Clinton Matrix of Influence) Podesta Group lobbying firm.

The optical play is to create somewhat of a narrative where Podesta is to Clinton as Manafort/Flynn is to Trump.

Setting aside the Clinton leverage over Mueller for a moment, this is the magnanimous and patriotic legacy optic Robert Mueller is trying to project by playing the role of Solomon, splitting the baby and giving each political group a narrative for their purposes.

In the background Mueller also appears to want foreign policy influence sales, and the larger risk from foreign policy influence sales becoming dangerous to U.S. policy, stopped. Unfortunately, Mueller previously exposed himself to this toxic process (Uranium One) and to this day carries some of the infection with him.

Selling U.S. foreign policy for money and ideological benefit is damned dangerous. However, there are billions of dollars to be made in the process therein.

It still seems as if Robert Mueller, while compromised by his conduct in prior administrations’ who engaged in this process, is trying to position himself as The Good Shepherd and break the leverage holdings of the various political camps.

In addition to taking away all of the ‘get-out-of-jail-free’ leverage cards, this is also the theater of pure politics. Optics are everything in DC and political narratives are built from inferences as well as reality.  If President Trump has political leverage he can execute his agenda; if Pelosi/Schumer have political leverage they can block Trump’s agenda. In many ways Robert Mueller is mediating the ideological battle through the prism of his role within the system.

Again, the gamesmanship -currently being pitched through the media- is about political leverage. That leverage in DC is traded like baseball cards amid the upper tier of those who float in an entirely different orbit of influence from everyone else.

Chuck Schumer plays out his knowledge of the current situation by claiming “Trump needs to stay away from Mueller”. The media sells Schumer’s claim as if Bad Trump would impede an investigation; but that’s not the accurate dynamic.

Senator Schumer wants to keep his leverage right where it is currently; and stop ‘his side’ from feeling the effects of Mueller’s legal admonishments. If Mueller indicts Michael Flynn and Paul Manafort Pelosi/Schumer have political leverage.  If Mueller focuses on Tony Podesta Pelosi/Schumer lose political leverage.

Nothing about the current dynamic is factually encompassing President Trump; it is all about optics, narratives and political leverage. However, everything about this dynamic is factually encompassing the existential threat that outsider Trump represents to the established way of life in the DC Swamp.

Toward the end goal of disrupting DC swamp-life, Mueller and Trump appear aligned in common cause.  Robert Mueller from the perspective of trying to get the external influence agents to the U.S. stopped and retrieving all existing leverage; and President Trump from the policy perspective of America-first, which coincidentally is in alignment with Mueller’s projected patriotic goals to stop influence agents.

That’s the bigger part of the BIG picture.  Everything else is smoke and mirrors.

Again, if you drop the legal prism and review everything from the perspective of gaining or losing political leverage it all makes sense.

“Today, Michael Flynn, a former National Security Advisor at the White House for 25 days during the Trump Administration, and a former Obama administration official, entered a guilty plea to a single count of making a false statement to the FBI.

“The false statements involved mirror the false statements to White House officials which resulted in his resignation in February of this year.

Nothing about the guilty plea or the charge implicates anyone other than Mr. Flynn. The conclusion of this phase of the Special Counsel’s work demonstrates again that the Special Counsel is moving with all deliberate speed and clears the way for a prompt and reasonable conclusion.”

~ Ty Cobb,  (statement above) Attorney for President Trump

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363 Responses to Leverage in The Swamp – Mueller Reinforcing The Horsehair Holding DC’s Sword of Damocles…

  1. Carolina Kat says:

    Process lawfare is unjust. This has to stop.

    Hillary lies to the FBI and walks free but an American soldier and patriot gets charged with a crime.


    Liked by 22 people

    • Howie says:

      Sessions should have to reimburse everyone out of pocket. it is the ‘honorable’ thing to do.

      Liked by 4 people

    • mimbler says:

      And Comey lies to Congress, and has the nerve to gloat today about Flynn. He’s a sick puppy,

      Liked by 15 people

    • dayallaxeded says:

      Violates equal protection–citizen lies or speaks inaccurately due to faulty memory (e.g., Scooter Libbey), goes to jail. FBI agent lies or deliberately misleads citizen, gets a commendation. When FBI agents and DOJ attorneys go to jail for lying, then maybe it’s OK for them to prosecute citizens for being less than candid with them. Seen enough “Just Us”; now looking for some Justice.

      Liked by 4 people

      • Boots says:

        SCOTUS set precedent in several cases that establishes it’s okay for law enforcement to lie to get information or confession. Several state supreme courts have ruled likewise.

        That’s why sharp lawyers always, always, always tell their clients – and anybody else who’ll listen – to never, ever talk to the police. An excellent teaching on retaining your right to silence is on the youtube video “Why you should never talk to the police”. The vid runs about 45 minutes.

        In it, a prominent criminal defense attorney who’s also an adjunct professor explains in great detail why you should never engage in any conversation with LE. His example of how an innocent man who violates that rule can be charged with the severest of crimes is a shocker.

        Another speaker is a retired police officer who says, ‘In 20 years as an investigating officer I’ve never had a single person talk their way out of anything. But I’ve had dozens and maybe more talk their way into trouble.’

        Liked by 2 people

      • platypus says:

        IOW, the statute is unconstitutional. I’d add that it also violates freedom of speech and freedom from self-incrimination (testifying against one’s self).

        But everybody seems content to plead guilty rather than demand a ruling on its constitutionality.

        Liked by 1 person

    • mztore says:

      Mueller is the one who needs to be under indictment.

      Liked by 1 person

    • elmo62211 says:

      And bankrupted with legal fees, plus the same for his son. Equal justice under the law, never in this realm?

      Liked by 1 person

    • Carrie2 says:

      Carolina, I believe on day in the not too distant future Mueller will be reviewed, chewed up, and punished for going in to many directions that had nothing to do with Trump but to go after any acquaintance or short term campaign members just to cover the Clintons, Podestas, and others who truly should be investigated and in prison.


  2. Howie says:

    Muelley can’t get Trump. He is going after anyone and everyone he can that was or is associated with Trump. He can drag this out for years.

    Liked by 3 people

    • 4sure says:

      Jared is on his list.


      • Howie says:

        Work for Trump at your own risk as long as Muelley is running wild.

        Liked by 3 people

        • smartyjones1 says:

          This thing is winding down. Jared may face similar issues on lack of proper disclosure on Russian contacts. All without a single shred of Russia “collusion.”

          It’s process crime central. That’s all this is and it’s not AG Sessions’ fault.

          Liked by 1 person

          • Summer says:

            Yes it is. His recusal led to RR assuming control and appointing Head WitchHunter Mueller. His investigation might last forever because only Rosenstein can end this farce and he won’t. Had Session not recused himself, we would not have this conversation.

            If the illegal alien who was deported 5 times were not in the country due to the blatant open borders and sanctuary city policy, Kate would have been alive today.

            Sessions knew he would have to recuse himself and still accepted the position. The rest is history.

            Liked by 5 people

      • Risa says:

        I made the mistake of wandering by Breitbart a few minutes ago. They are foaming at the mouth over the thought Kushner may be in trouble. Puzzling. What did Kushner do to them?


        • mimbler says:

          Kushner and Ivanka have liberal sensibilities. I have no animosity towards them as it is a free country, but I can see why some people at Breitbart think their influence is not good for the country.

          I don’t think they are helpful to MAGA in their political beliefs, but think PDJT keeps them close because of their loyalty. And perhaps he can get a perspective into what the libs are thinking by talking to them.

          Liked by 10 people

        • Carolina Kat says:

          The war between Jared and Bannon resulted in Bannon’s ouster from the WH. As if the President would keep an adviser and fire his son in law. Stupid, isn’t it.


          • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

            Careful Kat, that is implied nepotism.


          • keebler AC says:

            Gossip and hearsay about Jared!

            Bannon was let go because he was leaking to the liberal press. All leaks about every single one of PDT’s admin from Jared to McMaster to Rex Tillerson stopped once he was gone. Basically, Trump took everyone’s advice as he usually does, and then decides on his own merit. King Bannobody expected to be dictator of the House. If he didn’t get his every way, he leaked. Imagine the COO doing that to the CEO in the private field. No brainer. FIRED!

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    • That’s the problem I see…ending it. This looks like it could go on for all 4 years of Trump’s presidency, although it does seem like there are some Republicans who are finally getting the picture; ie, the other side of the aisle are not their friends. They could start speaking up more and putting pressure on Mueller to end it all or face his own investigation.

      All that I know, when this stuff starts up again, is that Trump is a winner….that usually calms me down.

      Liked by 3 people

    • Suzanne says:

      The goal is to still have it on the front burner and being hyped by the complicit media on a daily basis when the 2020s roll around

      Liked by 1 person

  3. freddiel says:

    Am I the only one who wants heads on platters?

    Liked by 7 people

    • positron1352 says:

      No, freddeil. I am right there with you. The thought of a continued two-tiered justice system is sick and twisted and not reflective of what our founding Fathers fought for and to think of those who died for the cause. This is what bothers me the most. God bless those who did.

      Liked by 2 people

      • DS says:

        Yes, to me “drain the swamp” means prison sentences, or executions for treason — not giving wrist-slaps and letting the scumbags retire beneath the rocks they came from (w/ their pensions too, of course)…


        • I think it would feel satisfactory to see the scumbag politicians and their cronies going to prison. That’s also why I put less importance to the “lock them up” cries. That’s leading with feelings, not with logic. It would feel good, but would it be effective in getting to the goal? In my opinion it’s actually irrelevant to the goal.

          The goal is to clear their influence from DC and culture at large. Criminal prosecution takes a lot of time and other resources. Why go so far if you can destroy their influence by less resource intensive ways? Exposing the constructions, destroying their reputations by revealing their corruption, etc. is working towards the goal and doing a damn good job at it too. It’s not as flashy and emotionally satisfying as locking them up, but it might be working better. No opportunities to play a martyr in the courtroom, just seeing their former power collapse before their eyes. We do need some legal consequences placed on some people to work as warnings, but disabling the effectiveness of some key people in the Swamp interconnected web spreads out large ripple effects into the whole construction. That’s slowly destabilizing and weakening the Swamp to a point where it will become fairly easy to topple


          • Maquis says:

            Agreed. Well stated. Destroying their influence, their power, is key.

            Some public political blood-spilling, metaphorically and prosecutorially speaking, is, however, useful in pushing understanding of their crimes into the broader public sphere.

            The public must be educated, kicking and screaming in most cases, to be, if not fully red-pilled, at least made semi-cognizant that they are standing at the brink of a very deep rabbit hole.

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  4. Apfelcobbler says:

    “Both Michael Flynn and Paul Manafort’s wealth were/are being held as leverage, compliance, toward acquiescence within the game; nothing more. ”

    Manafort probably feels uncomfortable hearing about what’s going on in The Four Seasons in Rihyadh.


    • Howie says:

      Flynn is broke. Manafort just put up 11 million bail.

      Liked by 3 people

      • Kaco says:

        I really feel bad for Flynn and Manafort both. I hope they can financially recover. This is nasty business.

        Liked by 2 people

        • Chewbarkah says:

          Employers and foreign interests will not hire people under this sort of scrutiny, ever. Lenders will be loath to back Manafort’s real estate deals. Manafort and Flynn have been ruined permanently by Trump’s political opponents no matter the outcome of their cases. This is partially about neutralizing them, and partly about isolating Trump by “putting a horse’s head in the bed” of future Trump supporters, who cannot but think of the price of supporting him.


  5. Howie says:

    Sessions on Tucker….T minus 10 and counting. it out ta be a real doozey.

    Liked by 1 person

  6. ezpz2 says:

    Don’t care much for Mark Levin, but happened to have him on while driving home a little while ago, and he was making sense about this….

    To paraphrase: Mueller has ‘succeeded’ in making Flynn desperate and destitute. He is putting his house up for sale because of the exorbitant legal fees and this whole mueller witch hunt has taken a toll on Flynn and his family, the likes of which neither the Clintonistas nor the Podestas will ever know.

    And there are still those who think Mueller is a good guy wearing a white hat???

    There’s this bridge that goes from Brooklyn to Manhattan…..

    Liked by 4 people

    • Deborah @UnTamedInSD says:

      attacking fellow treepers in such vile way is so libtard…. j/s if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck… it must be a duck


    • As Sundance has said on Many Occasions…. Flynn had PROBLEMS coming in. She was abundantly CLEAR on those facts and laid them out for all to see…
      Flynn did this to himself. And Flynn if not busted earlier would have taken down this President


      • Kaco says:

        I don’t know, it wasn’t like his lobbying for Turkey was a secret. He wrote a published article about Turkey sometime after the election. His lobbying went against President Trump’s WH cabinet policy of no lobbying. I don’t know how much was known about the Podestas prior to this.


  7. phoenixRising says:

    Thomas tweeted these 5 tweets – I can’t pull up just the 5, I get much more, so using cut and paste

    CNN: White House claims Obama admin approved Flynn calls with Russian ambassador
    (1) Let’s try and figure out what happens if this is true.
    4:30 PM – 1 Dec 2017

    (2) Flynn will testify to this AND provide evidence.

    (3) Then the Trump administration will point out that the ENTIRE RUSSIA COLLUSION STORY was made to protect…Obama!

    (4) Every single Democrat who made the accusation will be exposed as a despicable liar.

    (5) This could sink the Democratic party.


    Liked by 7 people

  8. WeThePeople2016 says:

    According to OANN, the DOJ will be issuing their 6-month report next week on how much Mueller’s Special Investigation has cost the taxpayers. OANN is reporting that it is 5+ million. That is going to tick off the American people.

    Liked by 3 people

    • Niagara Frontier says:

      The high price tag is not because of the rising cost of paper clips or toner cartridges for the photocopy machine. I believe that the attorneys hired by Mueller to “assist” in the investigation bill by the hour. Those billable hours are the figures I want to see.

      Liked by 3 people

  9. kltk1 says:

    LOL, to echo the President-elect’s words “Sorry to keep you waiting, folks. complicated business”. I still don’t grasp a lot of it, but I get the gist of what Sundance is putting forth.

    That said, what ABC did today was absolutely awful. I really hope this comes to an end sometime soon, the peoples business is not being tended to the way it should because of this power struggle and I’m glad we finally have a Republican President willing to take the fight to EVERYONE. The media, the left, lobbyists, foreign influences and probably the worst of all, the Republican Establishment. Say what you want about Bannon but at least he’s willing to take the fight to the current power structure within his own party. He ain’t perfect but he’s taking the fight to them and deserves recognition, as well as our support in my view, for it.

    Liked by 8 people

    • kltk1 says:

      That sounded lame. Not meaning waiting for me, but for this Mueller, investigation to wrap up and the underlying meaning to all of it… Thanks to SD for explaining it. Repeatedly.


  10. Rip Tide says:

    Here’s a 7D thought on the timing of Flynn’s confession. Notice that it comes out this morning right as the Senate prepares to vote on the tax bill? What if this is part of a plan that by taking a plea, and agreeing to testify publicly about basically everything he knows about EVERYONE; Whos to say that does not include the cankles camp or Barry’s administration?
    Anyways, if he starts talking, wouldn’t that make many Senators nervous about possible implications? What if the timing of the Senate knowing that Flynn was turned loose to talk at some point, was purposely done to leverage a passing vote on the tax bill. Hmmmm, interested on your thoughts all branchmates, and fearless leaders.


    • mimbler says:

      Nope. They don’t put a witness on the stand and let him start rambling. They put him on and ask him narrow, direct, questions.
      And those will focus on Trump and associates. This doesn’t threaten the swamp. The rinos are the only reason mueller exists as they could and should easily remove him for being illegally appointed (their was no crime named for him to investigate, only a person).

      Liked by 2 people

    • 4sure says:

      Go back to your 6D starting point. Give it another go. hang in there.


      • singingsoul says:

        I hope when all is said and done that the Democratic Party is finished for this stunt. I also hope that there will be a go fund set up for Flynn . No hero should become poor because the government tries to score political points for their side. This is a travesty of justice.


    • mztore says:

      On a Friday….that is their usual trick. What else is new? Do I need to add sarcasm off after this?


  11. stenwin77 says:

    I don’t entirely buy the leverage argument. I think Mueller’s goal is to give congress enough to impeach Trump.

    However, it look to me like Manafort and Flynn were pretty much low hanging fruit.


    • mimbler says:

      Mueller would have loved to do that, and earn his place in history for taking down a president. I’m sure he is rooting around hoping to find something, anything, that will accomplish that.
      But, he’ll settle for being an 8 year irritant to Trump that the press can constantly use to denigrate Trump and associates.

      Liked by 1 person

    • bulwarker says:

      Mueller’s goal has always been to draw out the investigation through the 2018 election season. It will be what the Democrats use to motivate their base to get to the polls with they cry of “impeach” – the investigation is not about substance (which there is none) it’s about optics. Look at all the media hubbub occurring over this, look back at how they treated the Manafort indictment.

      Liked by 1 person

      • David GERKEN says:

        Eventually the lack of substance should become evident to any thinking people… if we have enough of those left in this country.


  12. Sylvia Avery says:

    Okay, I have read and re-read Sundance’s Opening Post until my eyes are ready to bleed. And yet, I keep reading comments in this thread that say things like Sundance sez Mueller is a White Hat, or you’re crazy to think Mueller and Trump working together. That isn’t what I got from Sundance’s article.

    Sundance’s wrote:

    “Toward the end goal of disrupting DC swamp-life, Mueller and Trump appear aligned in common cause. Robert Mueller from the perspective of trying to get the external influence agents to the U.S. stopped and retrieving all existing leverage; and President Trump from the policy perspective of America-first, which coincidentally is in alignment with Mueller’s projected patriotic goals to stop influence agents.”

    To me, that doesn’t say Mueller is a good man on a white charger, just that he has one particular swamp thing he wants to try to contain and that is limiting foreign influence via lobbying on US foreign policy which is a good goal.

    And maybe that is one shared goal he and PDJT are working towards, but with Mueller trying to protect his section of the swamp and PDJT trying to keep Mueller in some kind of bounds. A power struggle of sorts.

    It is possible to ally with someone for a period of time to achieve a goal, but that doesn’t mean you are BFFs or that the person you ally with is wearing a White Hat. It’s all about the deal.

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  13. 4sure says:

    You mean it wasn’t?


  14. Sylvia Avery says:

    I think financial jeopardy has to come from the cost of hiring competent attorneys.

    It breaks most people financially, normal people who have families and mortgages and jobs, if they are charged with a crime and have to defend against it. Legal costs are simply staggering. Millions of dollars.

    Liked by 3 people

    • mimbler says:

      Yes, Flynn has already had to sell one home. And that money is just flushed down the drain. If you are found innocent, you are not one cent better off than before you were charged.

      Liked by 1 person

  15. ecmarsh says:

    I have been all over and worked for a few companies during my time. Corporate politics is just a bunch of back biting and back stabbing that really doesn’t accomplish anything more than throwing a few monkey wrenches in the system. Generally this BS gets you canned.
    I have never seen anything like this BS that goes on in our Government. Maybe because it isn’t our government. I should of taken a political science class or maybe taken a lawyer class.

    The FBI and Congress can lie, cheat, and steal from us but, if one of us might happen to make a false statement (even by mistake) to them. God help us.

    I best shut up now. I am just quivering because of this General Flynn trap crap.

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  16. mimbler says:

    Nice analysis. My only nuanced difference with it is I see them as aligned on reducing foreign influence but not allies.

    If the devil wants Hillary in hell, I am aligned with his goal, but not allied with him.



    • They’re not allies, they’re cobelligerents. Meaning they’re fighting the same enemy and cooperating on levels where they have shared interests. But both have their own goals and objectives and can disagree deeply on several issues.

      Trump is like Finland and Mueller like Nazi Germany during Continuation War. Cobelligerents but with very different ideologies and goals. Shared enemy in that war was Soviet Union. Nazi Germany was not a preferred cooperation partner for Finland. Their politics were very distasteful to the Finnish leadership, but they were the only possible source for weapons, food and additional manpower for Finland. Finland wanted Karelia back and some extra land to use as a bargaining chip at final peace negotiations with Soviet Union. There was a real threat that Soviet Union would attack again and if Finland didn’t get more weapons etc., Finland wouldn’t survive it. The only way out was to take the fight to the Russians first alongside a bigger cobelligerent, who was willing to supply Finland in order to spread the Russian troops to longer front lines.

      Ideologically and personally the Finns detested Adolf Hitler. Marshal C.G.E. Mannerheim, the supreme commander of the Finnish forces, smoked cigars in Hitler’s presence and Hitler just took it (although normally he didn’t allow anybody to smoke around him). But the Finns could use German help and took advantage of the Germans as long as it was expedient to the Finns. When they turned into a liability, the Finns double-crossed them in a clever way in order to extricate themselves from the war against the Soviet Union.

      By the way, the siege of Leningrad would never have lasted 1000 days if Finns had been allies of Germany instead of cobelligerents. Germans desperately wanted to capture Leningrad, but the Finns didn’t. Finns never closed the loop around the city from the north, so the city could receive supplies. The Finns stayed on their side of the old border and took no part in action against Leningrad. That was to show Stalin that his excuse for wanting to take Karelia ie. needing it for protection of Leningrad was bullcrap. In the end it wasn’t enough to get Karelia back, but the peace treaty conditions would have been even more severe than they were, had Finland joined in on the attack on Leningrad.

      WWII for the Americans means cooperating with allies who shared your goals and values. You don’t have the “dance with the devil but only as long as it serves you rather than the devil” mindset built into your national consciousness. Whereas the Finns know that cooperating with an ideological opponent can be very profitable sometimes. That’s probably why I saw Trump playing Mueller to his advantage more than Mueller threatening Trump before most people here at CTH. I don’t have the same expectations of cooperating only with allies. Cooperating with the enemy for the greater good can also work under certain conditions. Just be extra careful in defining the limits of the cooperation and be ever mindful of the facts and your own goals. Never forget that you’re dealing with an enemy and don’t buy into the pretty words. Figure out the potential power plays behind the words and cut those avenues of subversive attacks off.

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  17. 4sure says:

    Scott. You are one of the smartest commenters here. I look forward to your analyzing the material in the way you do it. Really impressive.

    Liked by 1 person

  18. smartyjones1 says:

    The process crimes Flynn faces are zero to five years. Zero is a great incentive.

    Liked by 1 person

  19. Tonawanda says:

    Sundance: the absolutely most brilliant analysis of the matter, from anyone.

    Trump supporters will have to give up some of what we want to be done in the interests of law, justice and fairness, in return for putting an end to bad things.

    I am gravely disappointed in not seeing some swinging from the yardarm, but if it means a genuine new start then I must agree.

    This is classic Trump, a Lincoln type president with a genius in service to America.

    Liked by 1 person

  20. positron1352 says:

    If Mueller were a white hat, he wouldn’t be putting the country through this expense and angst about the highest office in the land and the “President of the World”.

    Liked by 4 people

  21. M says:


    BREAKING: Obama Admin Approved General Flynn Calls with Russian Ambassador
    December 1, 2017 by Joshua Caplan 108 Comments

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    On Friday, Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to FBI agents about making contact with Russian Ambassador Kislyak during the transition period. In a stunning twist, the Trump White House revealed to CNN that the calls were approved by the Obama administration.
    The Hill reports:

    The White House said on Friday that it was the Obama administration that authorized former national security adviser Michael Flynn’s contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak during President Trump’s transition, according to CNN. Flynn pleaded guilty on Friday to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Kislyak in the month before Trump took office, the first current or former Trump White House official brought down by special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian election meddling. Court records indicate that his communications with Kislyak were directed by a Trump transition official, with multiple news outlets reporting that official was Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner. “They are saying here at the White House that Flynn’s conversations with Sergey Kisylak were quote ‘authorized’ by the Obama administration,” CNN correspondent Jim Acosta said.

    “We should point out, that is something that we have not heard before in terms of a defense from this White House,” Acosta then bitterly noted.

    Following pleading guilty to making false statements to the FBI, General Michael Flynn released the statement below:

    “After over 33 years of military service to our country, including nearly five years in combat away from my family, and then my decision to continue to serve the United States, it has been extraordinarily painful to endure these many months of false accusations of ‘treason’ and other outrageous acts. Such false accusations are contrary to everything I have ever done and stood for. But I recognize that the actions I acknowledged in court today were wrong, and, through my faith in God, I am working to set things right. My guilty plea and agreement to cooperate with the Special Counsel’s Office reflect a decision I made in the best interests of my family and of our country. I accept full responsibility for my actions.”


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    • Carolina Kat says:

      When I read that I weep for our Republic.

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    • David GERKEN says:

      So why did Flynn lie about it?


      • Chewbarkah says:

        Why indeed. Unless a complete idiot, he would have to know: 1) calls had been intercepted as a matter of routine; 2) the content of what he said was not illegal (he asked the Russians to harm the US less — how awful…); and 3) lying about it would put his head in a noose for no purpose. I suspect that Flynn didn’t actually lie about his calls with the Russian Amb, and what has been published in the plea deal is a smokescreen (i.e., Flynn didn’t lie to the FBI as depicted). Mueller used the Turkish lobbying/FARA violations/Flynn’s son to blackmail Flynn into testifying against other Trump players; and/or, Mueller wanted a charge related to the Russian collusion narrative, even if the substance of it was nil compared to the Turkey issue; and/or, the Turkish issues were too politically sensitive to be aired in a trial. Other theories?


    • Sunshine says:

      It’s Fake News. Don’t forget that CNN is claiming the House House told them.


  22. Tonawanda says:

    Trump is giving us back our constitutional republic and our Christian society.

    He is giving US the best deal under circumstances where we were virtually powerless.

    If our most devout dreams of retribution and complete justice are denied, Trump is nonetheless giving us the third rebirth of freedom.

    God is good.

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  23. Nailbanger says:

    Now everybody run right out and file your taxes,,,,,
    Who is John Galt! They can cram it where the light dont shine


  24. Archie says:

    The losers over at Breitbart have geared up with multiple stories above the fold on the big, bad Trump family. Can we flush Breitbart yet?


    • Kaco says:

      Right, they are just so supportive of our MAGA President, right, Bannon? /s

      This is why I stay away anymore, sick to death of Bannon’s crap.


  25. mdaush says:

    I thought the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor! At least that is what John Belushi said.


  26. doc00 says:

    There is testimony before congress by Comey and other Obama INTEL operatives that contradicts the wording in the indictment, in that Flynn “did not mislead the FBI”. So, either there is more that is not written into the Plea Bargain document or Mueller is claiming symbolic scalps before closing down because he has nothing more than the public already knows.


  27. EggsX1 says:

    Sundance, in effect, aren’t you admitting that the Deep State is untouchable? – that Mueller is unable to prosecute the Podestas because he is compromised – he can only put them ‘on notice’? Thus we will only see republicans perp walked?

    Until democrats are indicted, selling the US out to foreign influence is not going to stop, which is why I don’t think Mueller is a white hat. With Trump being the first president in 30 years that is finally putting America First (and no guarantee another one of him will come around), Mueller has to knock him down so ‘the game’ can continue? Mueller doesn’t seem to be helping ‘America First’ out so much and time is a-wasting. A zombified public may likely reduce the GoP’s legislative margin in a year’s time.


    • rf121 says:

      The swamp is deep. It took time to fill, and will take as much to drain. Personally I think it is too late. PT will just delay the downfall but we are on our way.


    • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

      Matt Lauer, Charlie Rose, Kevin Spacey and Harvey Weinstein thought they were untouchable too. All good things come to those who wait. “Patience my dear Watson.” S. Holmes.


  28. Apfelcobbler says:


    This Zarrab character is an international bank briber. Can’t remember where I saw it, but he also bribed his NYC jailer for booze. The guy is a bribing machine!

    I didn’t know much about Flynn, but had the impression he is a stand-up guy. But the thought of him representing a viper pit like Turkey just seemed a stretch. Manafort maybe, Flynn no. Podesta (either one) – now that’s a perfect fit.


  29. springstreet says:

    Liddy didn’t “take a minimal legal hit” he stayed in jail for years … because another corrupt official Judge Sirica (illegally) took over the role of (inept) prosecutor. If Sirica had a brain, he would have asked: if LIddy was actually bugging the DNC then why were bugs NEVER found. Watergate was merely the Swamp (again) hiding their illicit acts.


  30. LM says:

    Can we start a “go fund me” page for General Flynn and other victims of the Mueller witch hunt?

    To me, this would be part of supporting President Trump. Good people deserve to know that other good people appreciate and care about them. Our President deserves to know that, too.

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  31. G. Combs says:

    If Mueller grants immunity to the Podestas for information as he is with Flynn then yes, Sessions is bound… UNLESS the Podestas don’t cough up all the info.


  32. wtd says:

    In similar vein…
    Former Rep. William Jefferson, convicted for having “stashed $90,000 in cash for the president of Nigeria in his freezer,” released from jail after (some) convictions vacated b/c Supreme Court’s recent redefinition of corruption


  33. AndrewJackson says:

    I respect Sundance’s opinion, but I continue to believe Mueller is a black hat with vile intents to mar the Trump presidency as long as he possibly can. He has nothing on Trump but that doesn’t mean he can’t drag this “investigation” on to give the Richard Maddows of the world more punditry ammunition. I hope I am soon proven wrong, but my default with Mueller is guilty until proven otherwise.

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  34. POP says:

    “Yep, there’s nothing wrong with Sessions, you’d have to be an anti – Trump troll to even suggest such a thing…..”


    Sessions gave us Mueller.
    Sessions is a disaster.

    Liked by 5 people

    • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

      The attorney general truly cannot comment directly about the Mueller investigations. Tucker Carlson should know that . . . and so should we.

      Liked by 1 person

      • POP says:

        Rubbish, Sessions could defend PTrump to the degree Holder would defend Obama ie. 100%.
        Applying different rules to the non-left means Alinsky just had another small win.

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  35. Mitro Roman says:

    Unfortunately, I don’t believe Mueller is noble at all. I think he’s been corrupt and is a swamp creature. He is known to overcharge. There is no doubt in my mind that he just wants to get Trump, his family, and his associates. He wants revenge for his buddy Comey, who is also corrupt. Period. All his actions thus far show it.

    If he really wanted to get to the truth, he would have exposed the fake Trump dossier, the fact that the DNC/Podesta emails were not hacked by Russia, etc.


  36. mimbler says:

    That is actually how I see it as well. I think there was no way to avoid addressing the Podesta’s when he was persecuting Manafort, and their evidence turned up. But I’ll be extremely surprised if anyone on your list of real criminals is charged.

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  37. mariner says:

    Sundance, you’ve lead the way and helped hundreds thousands of us see the light about a lot of things, but I believe you’ll find this isn’t one of them.

    I started reading Thomas Wictor’s tweets and Imperator_Rex’s tweets ~June.

    LGEN Flynn did NOTHING wrong, and neither did his son. They have both acted like crippled bait to bring about this plea agreement.

    Now watch LGEN Flynn destroy the Obama administration, the Clintons and assorted other miscreants.

    His plea agreement REQUIRES him to talk to investigators about EVERY crime he knows about, and furnish as much information about it as he knows. It need not be about Russia, and it need have nothing to do with Trump.

    THIS is the Big Ugly.

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    • Kaco says:

      Man, that would be a beauty.


    • phoenixRising says:

      Here is link to Thomas Wictor’s thread

      The best part of the thread:


      • phoenixRising says:

        “(15) Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to federal authorities.

        He did so deliberately, I’m now sure. He became General Rabbit.

        (16) Now he’s going to talk to the feds.

        What if he tells them that Obama asked him to talk to the Russians in an effort to make a total travesty of Obama’s own sanctions AND an effort to implicate Trump?

        (17) Now THAT is a story…


    • Harleyd says:

      Someone asked why Flynn would need a plea deal to tell the truth about what he knows re: Clinton, Obama, et al? Why not just “do the right thing”.

      The answer is he was willing to do the right thing but wanted to put a cap on his exposure re: FARA, Turkey, etc. What he pleaded to was a much smaller issue and this now takes the financial and legal pressure off of him on any subject covered by the plea deal.

      He waited until all this was agreed to, and I suspect will now uphold his end of the bargain.


  38. Kaco says:

    I’m in agreement as well. I just keep praying that the real evil is rooted out and justice served.


  39. Niagara Frontier says:

    Does anyone know if there is a gag order on Flynn? Granted his lawyers would advise against talking publicly until after sentencing, but I’m wondering if he’s free to give press interviews, or is he owned by Mueller for now and into the future?


  40. jeans2nd says:

    A nagging memory –
    Gen Flynn told VP Pence that in that Dec phone call with Kislyak that he, Flynn, and Amb Kislyak had not discussed the sanctions against Russia recently enacted by Obama.

    The NY Times subsequently (illegally) published a leaked transcript of the Flynn/Kislyak convo where Kislyak asked Flynn about the sanctions, to which Flynn replied, paraphrased, sanctions change between administrations. (should have said either idk or who knows, imo)

    You sure this was not the lie?
    This would keep the Flynn indictments aligned with Mueller’s supposed purpose of investigating Russia “collusion,” whatever that is, which appears to be not illegal. The Turkey thing makes less sense. Gen Flynn does not appear to be involved with the Turkey lobbying (Daily Caller story and links). That may have been Flynn Jrs doing, imo. The Turkey op-ed the day before the election – now, that is a puzzler. Dunno.

    At any rate, none of this has anything to do with Pres Trump. Obama did the exact same thing both before and after the election. None of this is out-of-the ordinary, nor illegal.

    Oh yes – Pres Trump said that he, personally, would be paying the attorney fees for his people caught up in this mess.

    Gen Flynn’s motivation for pleading guilty may have more to do with honor than money, imo.
    Had any of these self-important blowhards bothered to talk with a few of the little people who have been Gen Flynn’s subordinates, they would have found out that Gen Flynn’s mantra was “Mission Not Ego.”
    Gen Flynn may just believe and act on his own words. Gen Flynn’s subordinates sure did.


  41. digleigh says:

    All of this tells me, basically, that the swamp is protecting itself through the slimey Mueller sp.counsel. He hired the slimey (Weisman and crew), to protect the progressives on both sides of the aisle, and to make it appear justice is winning…. GOD will not be MOCKED.. All of those committing sins or crimes will come to justice, whether it be Hillary, Bill, Weinstein, Jarrett, Podesta slimes, Wasserman-Schultz, Palmieri, Huma Abedin, Lynch,Comey……etc. because your sins will find you out, and you reap what you sow…(scrip.) I will be praying for the day, so that our land can be cleansed, and our nation will stop killing babies, committing euthanasia of our elderly, depopulation of God’s gifts, and mocking the Creator.. Heed well, San Francisco…


  42. Bacall says:

    As much as I hope Sundance is right about Mueller sending a message that foreign policy will not be pay for play, thus far I see no evidence of it. Where have the Podestas suffered legal admonishment that has a whiff of Mueller.


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