Last weekend, U.S secretary of State Anthony Blinken said Poland was in preparations to send their MIG fighter planes to Ukraine, and the U.S. would be replacing them. It was a stunning statement considering that Poland is a NATO ally, and Russia would certainly see this effort as increasing direct confrontation. However, a few hours later Poland issued a statement essentially refuting the claims by Secretary Blinken and saying they had no intent to send fighter jets into Ukraine. Essentially the government of Poland called Blinken a liar.
In a stunning exhibition of poor diplomacy, with very serious consequences, the State Department did not retract the weekend claims by Blinken. Instead, they doubled down saying that Poland was going to send fighter planes into Ukraine, which means NATO would be entering the conflict, which means U.S. forces would soon join the battle. Drawing the U.S. into the war looks like the intent of Blinken’s effort.
However, in a statement today, again highlighting they have no intent to trigger World War III (despite the best efforts of the U.S), Poland is calling Blinken’s bluff {SOURCE}. I screen captured it, because I do not want anyone to miss the direct framework of the Polish position:
Everything about that statement, including the headline, shouts that Poland is calling Anthony Blinken’s bluff.
Essentially, Poland is saying: “Bulls**t, on all of this. The U.S. is lying. We are not going to start World War III, but if you intend to – well, here’s the tools, you start the war.” It is a stunning statement, and a jaw-dropping situation.
The U.S. State Department is trying to use Poland to trigger a NATO war against Russia. Poland wants no part of that and is directly and specifically telling the world that Secretary of State Anthony Blinken is lying. Yet somehow, the media don’t report on this.
Here’s the previous stuff:
How soon will it be before we have to have gasoline and food ration cards like during World War II?
So, it seems Poland is saying that they will give their Mig 29’s to us to give to the Ukrainians as long as they get a bunch of “used” F-16’s or something similar as replacement. That is quite an unusual barter arrangement. I think that Poland knows that isn’t going to happen so they are saying no way without actually saying no way.
Since many reliable Democrat voters are low/mid income, I would not be surprised to see gas vouchers given out to that group before election time.
Earlier today, I was delivering fuel to a logger, when I got into a heated discussion with one of the employees, who told me that Biden didnt have anything to do with fuel prices.
I told him, “Remember that thought when you get laid off because your boss cant afford the fuel”
Later the owner told me that he was going to have to lay off 1/2-2/3 of his employees. I hope that guy is one of them.
They can’t get the vaccine passports so they’ll go with the digital ration cards?
I don’t know that we will.
A ration card implies that the government believes that the people are entitled to a certain commodity, even if only a small, rationed amount.
Those in power do not seem to believe that we the people are entitled to anything.
I think they want most of us dead.
Just saw this on Gateway Pundit. Real or fake?
Via the Government of Poland website.
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Did you read Sundance’s article?
The statement says Poland will give its migs to the US in exchange for American jets. That is a distinction without a difference. What do you think the Americans will do with them? I think your headline is misleading.
Please see Zhuk86’s comment below for why it is a distinction with a very big difference.
We can debate whether it is a distinction without a difference. What matters is how the Russians will view it. And my sense is they won’t accept the cute little legalistic word games we like to play in the west.
Russia is in on the whole game.
It’s a giant worldwide propaganda effort (just like the whole COVID thing – you better get used to worldwide propaganda – because that’s what your going to be getting a lot more of), to make it look like whatever the latest crazy “hurts America” move of theirs (the Uniparty, under guise of those “evil Democrats”) is, makes it look more “organic”, as if it can’t be helped that things are playing out this way; like it’s some huge “crisis” that can’t be stopped. But they’re driving it all. ALL OF IT.
Don’t be fooled.
If I shoot you, I am responsible. If I trade my gun to my neighbor for a better gun and HE shoots you with my old gun, HE is responsible.
Funny how many people would not view it that way. Especially if you trade a machine gun to your neighbor in exchange for a bolt action .22.
I think I detect a 5th columnist!
It’s called thinking for yourself. And BTW both the US and Poland just said they won’t allow the Ukrainians to fly from their territory. Must have been the fear of the reaction from Putin, yes? I guess the neighbor analogy didn’t convince the Russians either.
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Oh come on. Poland is saying “no”. It’s not donating aircraft to the Ukraine. (BUT if the U.S. wants to take Poland’s aircraft in a completely different country, Germany, in return for a trade… that’s a way of saying “no”.)
Actually a huge distinction. If Poland initiated the transfer from Poland to Ukraine they would move to the top of Putin’s kill list. If, however they send them to Ramstein in GERMANY, which is a U.S. operating base, the optics are much better…for Poland. Either way if these State Dept./ CIA operatives are successful in making this deal and directly providing Ukrainian pilots with MIG 29’s…that’ll mean WW3 and it will be on us. I doubt Blinken has the Nads for this type of overtness.
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It’s not “optics”. It’s a facetious way of saying “no.”
You should stick with CNN. They’ll tell you everything they think you can handle.
Did you read the last line?
Zero hedge reports 26 US biolabs in Ukraine. Nuland confirms the existence of biolabs in Ukraine at Senate hearing:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nuland-warns-russia-may-seize-ukraine-biolabs-stage-false-flag-using-bioweapons
Very clever tactic by Poland. Essentially it washes them clean of the fighter business, and puts the entire responsibility on the scumbags in the State Department if they want to risk WW3 with Russia.
Do you really think the Russians will see it this way? Legalistic mumbo jumbo might work in the beltway but I doubt it will work in an actual war zone.
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They’re not being “legalistic”. They’re saying “no.” They’re mocking Blinkiin’s proposal.
No one thinks Putin will see it that way. No one here sees it that way. Everyone is trying to tell you the same thing: Poland was telling Blinken “Sure, we’ll be happy to take the newer F-15’s you offered in order to bribe us into starting the war the US wants, but we (Poland) will not start the war for you”.
Get it? The US thought the Poles were stupid enough to stumble into war they the US wants and Poland does not (See: Poland’s territory before and after WWII) just so they could update their fleet of fighter jets. As usual, the US overestimated their own strategic brilliance and Poland’s level of naïvety and desperation. Rather than just saying “no” privately to Blinken, Poland decided to publicly expose the US attempt to goad Poland into triggering a NATO/Russian war.
Why? Maybe Poland resent the US, whose territory is safely on the other side of the planet, trying to provke Russia to attack Poland’s territory. Maybe Poland resented being set up as the villains who started the bigger war. Maybe they want Russia to know it is not Poland instigating war. Maybe they want to warn other countries who may fall victim to such US schemes.
Blinken tried to use Poland to start war with Russia and Poland very publicly said “do it yourself”. Just like the headline says.
Well said AustinHO! Sundance explained it quite clearly — exactly as you describe.
Would have been better had they stated new planes straight off the production line complete with a free five year parts and labor warranty. And FJB.
Poland’s government is doing what all governments should be doing: looking out for its OWN people.
Zelensky Ready To ‘Discuss & Find Compromise’ On Crimea, No Longer Insists On NATO Membership
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/here-are-all-latest-news-and-developments-ukraine-war-march-8
Really hard to see how US is portraying itself as so weak here time and time again.
Poland corrects our Sec of State publicly. Days later, US involves itself more deeply by accepting the planes in Germany from Poland!
US is escalating war with Russia, not de-escalating?
Why? Whatever the reason, understand it was Biden team desire all along.
We have Karens in the face of Putin/Russia.
This never works out well for the Karens.
Everything done by the Biden Administration is done to demoralize you. It is a psychological operation against the people.
Once you understand that, then it comes less as of a surprise.
Yes.
once again,
If the idea is to destroy America,
its working.
I remember the pallor that fell over the nation during the Obama administration.
It’s back.
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Where did you read that any Polish aircraft actually were sent to Germany and accepted by the U.S.?
Hard to see you say? What did you expect from a government led by a SENILE OLD MAN and a BLACK RADICAL EX-PRESIDENT intent on finishing his TRANSFORMATION OF AMERICA into a SCHIFF HOLE COUNTRY during his 3RD term in office. Only GOD can save us now.
Blinken fall down, go BOOM!
It is amazing how this story is getting no news coverage. I’ve had Fox News on today (watch for free over internet) and there has been barely a mention of this and when it was mentioned on Brett Baier’s show it was completely downplayed. Before that the five know-nothing’s that make up “The Five” were still yacking back and forth whether it was a good idea to send these jets to Ukraine. No mention that Poland had called Blinken’s bluff. No mention that Blinken in essence tried to set-up Poland to be used as cannon fodder the same way Blinken set up the Ukraine people to be cannon fodder (how do evil people like Blinken and Nuland get into such positions of power?). I am waiting for 8PM because I am sure that Tucker will not ignore this significant development.
Watch fake news, you get fake information.
That’s why the American people should never watch
Propagandist Jen Psicko or Brain-dead Biden.
Actually, it’s a must to watch the nonsense from Faux as it only reconfirms what most of us have been thinking for over 2 weeks. Faux is a water carrier for Rinos/Pinkos, Newsmax is a water carrier for Rinos/Pinkos and OANN better be careful they don’t “slip” into full water carrier mode to protect their financial survival.
For real news, I go to specific sites like most of the smart money does.
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The qualifications to be a journalist involve looking decent on TV, being able to read aloud well, being able to speak quickly and with clear enunciation in order to fill airtime without having to pause or think first, and being a quick enough study to grasp a superficial familiarity with the headlines, names, and issues of the day when prepped. That’s it.
I ask again, why do these idiots within cabal, the Uniparty, neocons and Biteme admin intend to push for war with Russia?
To cover up their corruption and the bio labs? That’s easy, they just deny and the propaganda press backs them. Plus too late if Russia wants to expose.
To try and defeat Putin? Idiots woefully underestimate what he’s willing to do if faced with no reasonable options.
Nuclear war to start the reset? Lunacy as fantasy.
Please someone convince me their reasons other than truly being that stupid.
The idea is to depopulate the planet.
They aren’t stupid, they are evil.
There won’t be any “nuclear war”.
What there is, is a lot of bluster, to get you afraid there will be; while they can take advantage of their manufactured crisis.
From the posts I’m seeing, like all the other crapola they throw at us – is that IT WORKS.
Expect more and more.
Is it just me,or does blinkin,seem like he’s got a gun pointed at him ,every time he speaks .
And how many times can he say uhh????????
I’m loving the way Poland has turned the tables on the U.S.!
“We’re NOT going to do your dirty work – YOU do it yourself!” Finally in this whole mess, someone with a BRAIN!
Sundance gets it wrong again: Poland U-Turns, Will Donate Fighter Jets ‘Immediately and Free of Charge’ (breitbart.com)
Didn’t actually read that article did you? It states pretty much exactly what has been stated in the article above.
Python gets it wrong again.
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No. The Breitbart writer is not too bright.
Having a hard time figuring out why Ukraine did not have fighters in the first place. They gave up nukes not fighters. Where did the old ones go? I cannot find out searching on duckduckgo, and reporters will never ask.
Uke Air Force was neutralized in the first 48 hours of the Russian military excursion. Aircraft out on the tarmac were targeted and those inside hangars remain stuck there. Their airbase runways were all chewed up by bombardment so they can’t go anywhere if they leave the relative safety of their enclosures and bunkers.
And no ground support even if they could get them up. All taken out with precision munitions.
The Russians would have a turkey shoot if anything got off the ground now.
Relative who flies a longbow has been ordered to Ukraine border. He came home to visit before deployment.
I have a loved one on the ground too. I’ll include yours in my prayers.
Funny thing … why isn’t our State Dept claiming that France is scrambling Dassault Rafale jets into Ukraine? Why are the Polish people selected for mass annihilation? You already know the answer.
https://en.defence-ua.com/news/france_willing_to_sell_its_dassault_built_rafale_fighter_jets_to_ukrainian_air_force_french_media-1859.html
The last line of the deal was the real killer.
All other nato countries also commit their migs as well.
If we are in so is everybody else.
I interpret this as Poland officials were fed up with dealing with the inept, and insane US diplomats.
“Instead, they doubled down saying that Poland was going to send fighter planes into Ukraine,”
After I read sundance’s link to the original tweet from the gov’t of Poland and then saw continued claims that this fighter exchange was certain or still pending I was a tad confused. But I still believed the original Polish tweet over Blinken’s conniving and duplicitous lies.
Blinken and the rest of Biden’s cabinet are dishonest nincompoops that will further wreck the USA and discredit the USA in the minds of allied foreign gov’ts.
Just saw the 11:00 news in Atlanta. They quickly brushed past the story of Poland and the jets. Blinken rejects Poland’s proposal to trade jets, as if it was a serious plan.
You can bet Putin didn’t misunderstand what happened.
“Street smarts” is a term for those who live in big cities, being bombarded everyday with those trying to get one over on you. You learn what to avoid.
These free Eastern European countries have an antenna for corrupt governments trying to impede on their freedoms everyday. They know the game as they have lived thru it. They see the signs, they are aware of the triggers and they will avoid at every turn.
The red flag here is US Policy is escalating, rather than de-escalating this war and is unwilling to carry out initiatives it asks these countries to do?
The real war is in the United States…
…between the ruling Intelligence State and Patriotic AMERICAN citizens…
When you won’t do what you ask others to do, you are a COWARD!
The world has watched and knows Biden is a coward.
Does anyone have the same feelings that the US dummy government is trying their best to get eastern European countries into a Great War?
Imagine the” occupants” of the WH & their consiglieres being this interested in securing the border of the US & being this interested in the safety of US citizens?