Last weekend, U.S secretary of State Anthony Blinken said Poland was in preparations to send their MIG fighter planes to Ukraine, and the U.S. would be replacing them. It was a stunning statement considering that Poland is a NATO ally, and Russia would certainly see this effort as increasing direct confrontation. However, a few hours later Poland issued a statement essentially refuting the claims by Secretary Blinken and saying they had no intent to send fighter jets into Ukraine. Essentially the government of Poland called Blinken a liar.
In a stunning exhibition of poor diplomacy, with very serious consequences, the State Department did not retract the weekend claims by Blinken. Instead, they doubled down saying that Poland was going to send fighter planes into Ukraine, which means NATO would be entering the conflict, which means U.S. forces would soon join the battle. Drawing the U.S. into the war looks like the intent of Blinken’s effort.
However, in a statement today, again highlighting they have no intent to trigger World War III (despite the best efforts of the U.S), Poland is calling Blinken’s bluff {SOURCE}. I screen captured it, because I do not want anyone to miss the direct framework of the Polish position:
Everything about that statement, including the headline, shouts that Poland is calling Anthony Blinken’s bluff.
Essentially, Poland is saying: “Bulls**t, on all of this. The U.S. is lying. We are not going to start World War III, but if you intend to – well, here’s the tools, you start the war.” It is a stunning statement, and a jaw-dropping situation.
The U.S. State Department is trying to use Poland to trigger a NATO war against Russia. Poland wants no part of that and is directly and specifically telling the world that Secretary of State Anthony Blinken is lying. Yet somehow, the media don’t report on this.
Here’s the previous stuff:
Poland just pulled the rugh out from underneath Blinken and I believe made it a moot point with other countries as well.
By the time Blinken gets his head out of his arse, the war will be over regarding these planes.
Team Blinken will think of some other dumbass plan though, but I don’t think any country will join in. Nope, like covid, he’ll let the corps fight the battle by pulling out…just like he let the corps do the mandates and firings to flatten – not the curve – but the economy. Yah, Wall Street will do team Blinken’s dirty work. Just read McDonald’s is closing down their 850 locations in Russia. Maybe that will give USA more french fries.
Yeah, and we can use all that extra recycled cooking oil to fuel our vehicles.
Or start growing sugar cane.
Sugar cane is for rum, not fuel!
What country will want to do business with US in future.
Stupid stuff like this. And breaking contracts.
Shooting themselves in the foot.
What country will want to do business with US in future? The question answers itself. And that’s not a bug. Its a feature.
And we are the ones who will bare the what does the phrase bear the brunt of all this. USA is and middle America will be doing a hard crash in real time. I think Lindsey Graham should take his own advise.
That’s the whole idea… take America out without firing a shot.
Blinken needs an Interpol red notice, along with Joe.
Did you mean Blinky?
Less cardiovascular illness for the Russians!
Sure wish we citizens had one federal agency on our side…one to stand up to Joe Obama.
We are sitting ducks, depending on Putin to maintain restraint.
I believe there is a “No Fly Zone “ over Ukraine at present. Russian Air Force is in control.
Nyet Fly For You!
Can’t be – Fox news told me on Monday that 10 Russian planes were downed over the weekend. At that rate Putin will be begging for mercy inside a month. Imagine what the weekday totals will be. /s
If I were Germany, I think I would deny them landing rights in the country.
Robert Barnes:
ISIS joins George Soros, Klaus Schwab & Hillary Clinton in “I Stand With Ukraine.”
Russia warns Washington is sending ISIS fighters to Ukraine
Over the past two weeks, Ukrainian officials have been calling for the formation of an ‘international legion’ of mercenaries
https://thecradle.co/Article/news/7541
The foreign intelligence service of Russia (SVR RF) warned on 4 March that the US and NATO countries are sending ISIS fighters from Syria to Ukraine.
The ISIS members, who are reportedly headed to Ukraine, underwent special training at the US army’s Al-Tanf military base in Syria.
Who did 9-11 ?
Who funded and trained them ?
Who used them as a ” PATSY ” ?
Bill Cooper radio broadcast , June 28 , 2001 – Warns of impending large attack on US that will be blamed on US proxies
Remember , calling them AL-See-I-A-Duh , was considered ‘ conspiracy theory ‘
Search for it , if not scrubbed yet.
To see how al quada was created, watch “Charlie Wilsons War” with Tom Hanks.
Tells how Congress funded CIA operation by CIA, to supply Afghas with TONS of sophisticated weoponry, and training, so they could use it to defeat the Soviet Army,…creating Al Quada in the process.
Best documentary on 9/11 is The New Pearl Harbor by Massimo Mazzucco- I found it last year around 9/11 anniversary when Darren Beattie tweeted it out and challenged people to watch. It totally demolishes the entire official narrative (almost 5 hours, but worth it IMO).
Look up – Dr. Judy Wood , where did the towers go ?
a scientist asks interesting questions. Facts , are stubborn things.
But of course.
That international legion of mercenaries he wants is the Nazis party already in Ukraine.
Well, those Afghani daesh folk needed some place to use all that military gear FJB gifted them, now they have a place to go.
Think that tells us all where ISIS got all their money……
Of course they all stand together because they are all from the same club.
https://rumble.com/vwo7t2-3.6.22-sheila-holm-connects-ga-guidestones-ukraine-hellywood-kronkite-and-t.html
Oh my!!! The Poles must be Russian operatives too….
You are very wise. CNN will run with it. : )
This extreme eunuch Blinken reminds me of a 7th grade girl who used to be the leader of the cool kids click. Once she was outed from the cool kids, she does and says anything to try to remain significant
Putin apologist scum. “Everybody knows” the Poles are all white supremacist nazis! sarc.
Now threatening China…….
Chinese companies that aid Russia could face U.S. repercussions, commerce secretary warns.
Gina Raimondo, the commerce secretary, said the U.S. could take “devastating” action against Chinese companies that defy Russian sanctions.
https://archive.ph/Mi3rq
Wouldn’t this action fuel anti Asian violence in America? People may order main course only and no appetizers at the local takeout!
The Walton Family (Walmart) and few banks who work through Hong Kong with China Inc. may have a say in this one.
Of course this will do wonders for the supply chain.
Look for the simplest explanation. The O’biden regime wants us dead.
They definetly want Putin dead, and any remainig trace of Russia as a Nationalist and powerful country, as it stands as an impediment to WEF plan.
WEF is meeting in Davos next month.
What would stop Putin from cutting off the head of the snake, by nuking Davos?
Seriously, they aren’t going to stop, so why not end THEM, before they end HIM?
Actually, he could, and blame the US at the same time.
Remember all those rights to 20% of OUR uranium ores Hillary sold to Putin?
Remember how many nukes, how much US nuclear plant material, has gone “missing” over the last several decades?
It all has an American radiation signature – which would be the first forensic investigated to find out the source of a nuke explosion.
No incoming missile. Just a small nuke the size of a vending machine.
Just like Sum of All Fears.
Nasty radiation, though.
Maybe a 3-4 rental trucks full of ammonium nitrate and diesel mixture in the underground parking?
Oh it just gets more ludicrous every day!
This will never happen. All bluff.
I always knew we were a warmongering nation but now I’m seeing we’re downright evil.
what’s with this we crap have you got a mouse in your beanie ????
Biden could end this war yesterday by telling Putin no Ukraine in NATO, no nukes in NATO, you keep Crimea, the 2 western provinces can have their referendum per the 2014 signed MINSK AGREEMENT that has not been heretofore met.
Putin would then go home on a signed deal with the US and Ukraine. That is all he wants. But noooooooo…………….
You have to then ask yourself, why is the US digging in its heels to cause utter mayhem in the Ukraine?
Zelensky could have avoided all this also
To keep the knowledge of extreme corruption covered up. If fully known, then extrapolated to other countries, about every member of Kongress could be imprisoned, ESPECIALLY THE BIDEN FAMILY, BARACK OBAMA & The CLINTONS!
Traditionally, war is good for a president’s popularity.
It’s also a useful tool for O’biden to blame outrageous gas prices on someone else, and try to redirect attention away from the destruction Democrats have done to our country.
Redirection might have worked if we hadn’t been through over a year of direct attacks on the personal sovereignty of American citizens.
Yes, I see our government as PURE EVIL too!!!
To the extremes ever since JFK Murder!
The obama/biden/Blinken team’s only tactics are virtue signaling and pure BS. Neither is going to work this time, although, of course, our tv networks will proclaim their success!
When it was Iraq, Libya ir Syria they used to get away with shit like this.
Gigs up!
Sometimes we are faced with moments where we suddenly find ourselves having to rethink everything we thought we knew.
For decades Polish jokes portraying them as stupid inept people was common fodder at the water cooler.
In Poland now, they are making American jokes about stupid inept Americans.
Thank you Biden Administration!
Actually, the origin of those Polish jokes was based on the fact that most Polish immigrants to the United States were either highly educated or highly interested in becoming educated.
There are numerous stories of Polish immigrant coal miners in the U.S. using the lamps on their miner helmets to read textbooks at night, for example.
As a result of this longing for education (a Polish cultural trait), the Polish jokes were born to “keep ’em humble.”
My grandfather was a Polish immigrant coal miner who had an eighth grade education. Smartest man I ever knew (maybe an equal to my Irish grandfather cab driver, who also left school after the eighth grade).
The petrodollar won’t be replaced by IMF drawing rights because Soros, Globalists, Deep State conspiracy.
It will eventually be replaced because of direct action by the US to destroy its value through continued printing 1e. massive deficit spending.
Something Americans refuse to acknowledge and it can’t even be printed here, so deep is the denial.
A combination; eliminate the Petrodollar, AND eliminate the $ as the Worlds reserve currency.
Maybe WE can look at this as a GOOD thing; it has been the $’S status as THE reserve currency, which has enabled Congress to engage in such over the top profligate spending.
In effect, Congress and the Fed have used the World to fund an open ended credit card, and now the World is cutting up their credit card.
Is this REALLY a bad thing?
As I mentioned previously, SDRs for oil and big item trade it might be an excellent solution for spendthrift USA.
The US might/will be forced to get its system back to some sort of interaction with reality.
No-one there believes that interest + welfare + defence will consume every tax dollar in a predictable time period.
The bankruptcy proceedings would take every penny in every federal banking entity. ALL your accounts, retirements, Social Security “lockbox (hahaha)”, all military hardware everywhere, federal facilities, no federal employees, etc.
It’s Not About Ukraine, It’s About Forcing Us to Accept Green New Deal, Says Rep. Scott Perry
(from the Todd Starnes website today)
Rep. Scott Perry (R-PA) told the Todd Starnes Show Resident Biden is using Ukraine to push for the Left’s Green New Deal.
“The reason we got here is because we have a president that’s weak and signaled that he didn’t care if Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine and an energy policy that supports not only this excursion by Russia but has emboldened all our enemies around the globe,” Perry, the chairman of the House Freedom Caucus, told host Todd Starnes.
He also pointed out that China is selling batteries to the country “while we take ourselves off of what is reliable and what we know works, which is the energy that we’ve produced very cleanly for decades and decades in the United States.”
Biden announced the U.S. will no longer accept Russian oil and gas imports, something people on the left and the right have been calling for in recent days. Still, Biden made it a point during the announcement to push for electric vehicles and other things in his agenda.
“It will mean that no one has to worry about price at the gas pump in the future,” said Biden. “It will mean tyrants like Putin won’t be able to use fossil fuels as weapons against other nations, and it will make America a world leader in manufacturing and exporting clean energy technology of the future to countries all around the world.”
Perry went on to advise people to buckle up for what’s to come.
“If you have a Democrat representative representing you in the House and Senate, you need to call them and tell them that you’ve had enough of this worshiping of the Green New Deal,” he said, “and you’d like to be able to turn the lights on and be able to afford your bill at the gas pump as well.”
Great post! Excellent connecting the dots!
TEWS_Pilot: Thanks for this information. I agree with Rep. Scott. Americans are being presented with yet another false, hyped-up, fear-based dichotomy: Green New Deal (Utopia with endless high prices) or War with Russia (Armageddon with endless high prices).
It’s the same strategy as “vaccinate or die,” and we are forced to “decide” with a gun (job loss, loss of business, social blacklisting, painful inflation) to our head.
Can’t wait to see Biden’s blueprint for an all electric jet airliner.
Senility backed by evil.
Huh. I thought the plan was to build bridges across the Atlantic?
yeah, that’s the prime example to bring up to the airy-fairy imaginists
you know when you sit in that airliner on takeoff and feel the acceleration force pressing your back into your seat?
now what electrical power source can produce that amount of concentrated force and acceleration?
answer: none
or: if any, then requiring a battery or nuclear source that’d make the plane too heavy to lift off or unacceptably risky, given Liberals hysterics over all things nuclear
“But we can put solar panels on the wings !”
…or smelting steel ingots with wind power.
The proof is when Biden announced we would not buy any more Russian oil, he then said to the effect that his administration did not cause this inflation and rising gas prices. On the first day of his mis-administration, he signed a 15-inch stack of executive orders including canceling all oil, coal and gas leases on federal lands.
Four weeks ago he said inflation was caused by Covid.
Two weeks ago he claimed that inflation did not really exist.
Last week he blamed it on the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
“It will mean that no one has to worry about price at the gas pump in the future,” said Biden
Yeah, but we’ll have to start worrying about the price of COAL – you know, to fuel our electric-generating plants to recharge all those electric vehicles
… and it’ll be the same program: can’t produce it here so we’ll be IMPORTING coal from all over the world
… if China doesn’t get to it first
Aren’t the used, expired batteries from electric vehicles toxic to the environment? Ditto for the enormous blades from the wind turbines? Why do the greenies want to pollute the earth?
Unfortunately, it’s not just DemocRATS.
Russia Set to Ban Commodity Exports Following Western Sanctions
https://archive.ph/ZOOJX
We can realistically expect China to pick up the slack by acting as a middleman and to pocket part of the higher prices in the process.
𝐀𝐧𝐬𝐰𝐞𝐫 – “𝐖𝐞 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐜𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐜𝐞𝐬𝐬. 𝐈 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐡𝐨𝐰 𝐝𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐦𝐚𝐝𝐞. 𝐀𝐬 𝐬𝐨𝐨𝐧 𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐭𝐫𝐲 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐬 𝐚 𝐦𝐞𝐦𝐛𝐞𝐫 𝐨𝐟 𝐍𝐀𝐓𝐎, 𝐢𝐭 𝐜𝐚𝐧’𝐭 𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐬𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐮𝐫𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐔𝐒𝐀. 𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐬𝐨𝐨𝐧 𝐚𝐧𝐲𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐭 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐞𝐚𝐫 𝐢𝐧 𝐬𝐮𝐜𝐡 𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐭𝐫𝐲 – 𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐥𝐞 𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐞 𝐬𝐲𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐦𝐬, 𝐧𝐞𝐰 𝐛𝐚𝐬𝐞𝐬, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐢𝐟 𝐧𝐞𝐜𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐚𝐫𝐲 𝐧𝐞𝐰 𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐥𝐞 𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝐬𝐲𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐦𝐬. 𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐰𝐞 𝐝𝐨?”
Exactly
Putin’s gonnna say “Suck on it, guys …. you’re the ones who wanted to play your ‘NATO provocation’ games on my frikkin’ front doorstep”
This Government can’t even establish a no-fly zone over Mike Pence.
100% agree with Sundance interpretation. Poland says: “We’ll give the US all our old Migs and US can give us used (most likely upgraded) F16s. What the US does with the Migs is their issue, not ours.”
It won’t work that way.
The Mig 29s have to be flown out of Poland to Ukraine. Any relocation before transit to Ukraine won’t help, that will involve another NATO state.
So who has the registration papers doesn’t matter, it’s a direct provision by Poland to Ukraine in Russian eyes….correctly.
If the Russians want to stop the flow of spares and weapon loads for those aircraft they might well attack the Polish airbase source. The US might attempt to source more aircraft from say Romania/ Hungary, even worse….
Color me confused.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10591379/Poland-gives-MIG-29-planes-hand-Ukraine.html
Really?
You believe the MarxMerdia?
Was quipped years ago, how much more true now- “If God doesn’t punish America, He will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah”
Mickey Mouse is running the foreign policy. Epic amateurs, and definitely not up to the job. Embarrassing!
I’ve heard Barack Obama called a lot of things, but never Mickey Mouse.
Very early visit by 45 to Poland. Quietest and smiliest he ever came back from any of the NATO countries.
I certainly wouldn’t give the USSA my planes with a mere promise to replace them with F16s.
Just like Britain’s “War Guarantee” to the Poles in 1939…
except made by a crazier old man
So looking back on that – it would perhaps have been wiser for Poland to make nice with Russia directly in 1938. The country and the people were tortured and murdered. I wonder if ay Poles have this in mind today.
What exactly is the price of NATO membership – that your country becomes a war zone at the command of the USA? Keep in mind that to the outside world the USA is now run by a junta.
This looks very, very bad to me. I pray that the Eurasia faces its collective danger and abandon’s NATO. NATO is 4 letters and starts with N.
Thirty leaders of NATO countries were lined up.
Putin walks up and says “Which one of you chickens wants to go first? Please step forward!”
29 NATO leaders take one step back leaving Biden out front.
Putin askes Biden “OK, what is your best move? Give it to me!”
Biden responds, “We are going to buy old Russian fighters from Poland so we have something to attack you with!”
Putin says “I thought you were boycotting Russian products!”
Biden, “Come on man!”
LOL! That’s funny, right there!
If any of you have not seen the video “War is a rich man’s trick”, I highly encourage it. The globalist bankers start wars and then fund both sides. Works to depopulate plus they loan out money they create out of thin air with interest to continue to make themselves filthy rich! Time to wake up to their tricks!
I’d seen news even yesterday that they had officially refused, but the idiots on Fox were still talking as if they hadn’t last night.
Panic – Nuland wants to put Patriot Missile Batteries in Poland.
war pigs
@zerohedge
Do these people even bother to…I don’t know… even ASK Poland before floating this crap?
Not Victoria! She has body bags to fill. Millions of them! Been working for this day since Clinton in 90’s.
In 1939 Poland was abandoned by its western allies: Britain and France. Their “token” declaration of war on Germany meant nothing. Today, US DoD wants to use Poland (again) in their dirty work, a token to continue their dirty work. I pray to God that Poles can resist whatever arm twisting those dirty SOBs on our side try to pull on them. There are no friends amongst theives.
Fortunately, unlike in the US, the peoples of Poland and eastern europe KNOW their history, they haven’t forgotten it, or ignored their responsibility to teach it to the next generation.
They “won’t be fooled,…agaain!”
Here’s to the new Boss, Same as the old Boss.
“Their “token” declaration of war on Germany meant nothing.”
All I can do is smile.
My grandmother’s side is pure Polish.
I love Poland – pro-life, pro-family, pro-independence.
Duda & PDJT seemed very like-minded…..maybe they are in communication. May God protect the Poles.
We need a Solidarity movement in the United States.
Maybe the truckers can START it here.
So NATO member Poland has MIG jets from Russia?
Google world air forces. you be surprised at how many NATO countries have MIG’s
Russians will be the healthiest people on the Planet by the time all these crap food and drink U.S. Companies finish pulling out:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/08/coca-cola-follows-mcdonalds-starbucks-in-suspending-business-in-russia.html
They’re not “pulling out” actually, just “suspending business”.
need a hanky for your tears (of laughter)…
What’s to stop the Russian people fr/ just using these facilities to make their own drinks, food, etc.?
I could see this actually being a boon for them.
Yeah, Russia can nationalize the McDonalds chain and seek vendors to take over and run the restaurants
It’s not like they didn’t know how to make french fries and hamburgers in Europe ever before
(pommes frittes, anyone? city of Hamburg, anyone?)
it’s frikkin’ ground beef and potatoes for heavens sake, doesn’t really require Americans to make it
Yes. Confiscate the McDonalds fast crap food chain in Russia.
Polish government told Blinken here’s a kielbasa and shove it where the sun don’t shine. Ukraine is not our fight and Zelensky no Audie Murphy.
Ukraine is the 4th most corrupt government in the entire world. The fake news propaganda regarding this war is just as bad as the Covid fear campaign that they pushed upon the public.
These clowns are making Jimmy Carter actually look competent.
Never, ever thought I’d say that.
The democrats have no shame..
Clever as hell, if you ask me! Do you think maybe Poland learned something about dealing with Democrats when Obama shafted them on missile defense? One thing for sure, Warsaw is not going to be left out in front holding the bag for Biden. Nope, not gonna happen!
Cannot find it,but is true that Kissinger said”To be n enemy of America can be dangerous,but to be a friend is fatal”.
Jessie ( O Reilly ) Waters just announced on the Five, that Poland is sending fighter planes to Ukraine
WTF. The media misinformation continues
Once again, events call into serious question, the predominant message, that “everything the Bidenistas are doing is BY DESIGN. They are carrying outca PLAN, they are SMART and DEVIOUS.
Now don’t tell me this is all being done, to carry out their well thought out plan, while disguising it as “unintended consequences” and ineptness!
Makes me rethink the Afganistan withdrawal, given reports that support the narrative that it WAS, in fact a totally inept, royal clusterf*ck, and NOT some intentional, well layed out plan.
I keep getting the impression these Bidenistas are like 10 y.o. kids PLAYING at being adults,…
As with Benghazi, totally focused on appearances, narrative and spin, to the exclusion of even considering what IS.
And then, they actually think that what they SAY it IS, and the media duly reports, IS what it is; they BELIEVE their own narrative.
They ARE evil. But I remain unconvinced they are smart, and I think they are “winging it”, making it up as they go along, with NO “feedback” from reality.
The pilot and copilot, of the passenger plane we are ALL flying on, are deranged 10 year olds.
They believe that the “social construction of reality” is reality.
That’s why (according to these people) a man can be a woman and have babies.
Many of them are true believers in the “social construction of reality.”
To an extent, their belief is weirdly justified.
Look at how they convinced millions through the corporate propaganda media that the experimental injection was “safe and effective.”
Now we have the Pfizer lawsuit alleging fraud in the vaccine trial — and the collapse of the Moderna and Pfizer stock price.
Poland Agrees To Turn Over Its MiG-29s To The U.S. After Which They Could Head To Ukraine
Over two dozen MiG-29s could help Ukraine keep challenging the Russian Air Force, but it won’t be simple getting them there.
MARCH 8, 2022
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44644/poland-agrees-to-turn-over-its-mig-29s-to-the-u-s-after-which-they-could-head-to-ukraine
After multiple carefully worded denials regarding reports about planned sales or donations of MiG-29 Fulcrum fighter jets to Ukraine, the Polish government has formally announced plans to transfer its entire fleet of these aircraft to the U.S. government. Though not stated, it seems all but certain that American authorities will pass these jets to the Ukrainian Air Force. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said this past weekend that such a transfer would, unequivocally, get a “green light” from the United States.
The Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs announced the deal today, adding that it had requested the U.S. government provide sufficient numbers of other fighter jets to make up for the loss of these MiG-29s. The Polish Air Force’s current fighter jet fleets consist of around 28 Fulcrums and some 48 Block 52+ F-16C/D Vipers. In terms of combat jets, Poland’s Air Force also operates a smaller number of Su-22M4 Fitter ground-attack jets. The country also has F-35A Joint Strike Fighters on order, but does not expect to take delivery of the first one of these jets until 2024.
US “Surprised”, Wasn’t Pre-Consulted On Poland’s Offer Of Jets For Ukraine – 8 Mar 2022
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/poland-announces-all-its-mig-29-jets-will-be-transferred-us-send-ukraine
This level of huge contradiction among allies on such a big development is just a bit awkward and even embarrassing. The Biden administration is saying it was caught completely by “surprise” at Poland’s declaration hours ago that it would send all its Russian-produced MiG-29 jets to Ramstein Air Base in Germany for the United States to be able to transfer them to Ukraine.
Poland said, “Here they are. YOU give them to Ukraine.”
… and they also said, and replace our jets with yours, which are a bit better, as then Russia will know YOU are supplying the jets, and they also said everyone else should do this as well, so that Russia KNOWS that YOU the USA, are the ones actually suppling Ukraine with fighter jets.
And the US, now placed by Polish action as the real central key player actually suppling jets to fight Russia, reversed course, as Poland KNEW they would, and was exposed as cheep behind the scenes instigators.
I wonder how it works. US accepts Poland’s offer. Poland sends Migs to Germany. NATO/US have Ukrainians fly those Migs to Ukraine. Russia attacks Ramstein AB and gets NATO countries involved in the war.
If that is to be the scenario, Poland would most likely be the first NATO country to be invaded/full-scale attached by Russia. A lose-lose situation for Poland, isn’t it?
Who’s bluffing who? Poland bluffing US by giving its Migs to US, US then turnaround bluffing Putin by using Ramstein AB to deliver Migs to Ukraine? It’ll still be a WWIII.
But POLAND won’t be the country transferring the Migs to Ukraine. That’s why Poland announced this without first consulting the US.
They put the ball in Blinken’s court and any failure to follow through now won’t be able to be blamed on a Poland refusal, just on the US chickening out as it must unless it’s insane.
“Here, you do it.”
“Let’s you and him fight” (TM)
Maybe if this happens – Poland pulls out of NATO?
OK, I just checked. The Poles are playing Brandon, et al.
The maximum range of a Mig 29 with external tanks is 1300 miles. That is a one way trip with external tanks in “ferry” configuration (no armament – lightest possible aircraft).
The distance from Ramstein AFB to Kiev is about 950 miles so it is a one way trip, with no afterburner defensive maneuvers at optimum fuel conservation altitude, etc.
They will be inside Ukraine Russian controlled airspace for hundreds of miles and will not survive. Even if some made it, there would be no runways left in the Ukraine.
The Poles took Brandon to the woodshed. Checkmate!
No, they put any actual transfer of ownership to Ukraine in the US hands by first transferring ownership to the US. THAT is their goal. That way, when a transfer doesn’t happen, as it probably won’t, it can’t be scapegoated on a refusal by Poland. This is why Poland didn’t consult the US before making their official statement.
And no less a problem, what is Germany going to say about this? Ramstein AB is in Germany.
Poland flies Migs to Germany, Ukrainian pilots fly in and fly them to Ukraine. How is that not far more NATO involvement than just sending infantry weapons into Ukraine.
And that’s why it won’t happen now that it can no longer be blamed on Poland’s refusal to supply the planes.
That’s a given, duh so it’s wrong assumption. I never mentioned it was anything but. The important thing is that the logistics wont work, from the get go – one way trip. And furthermore, It is NOT the US – it’s NATO (as in Germany and all of the NATO countries) as far as Russia is concerned. Worse, which country matters not to the Russians, be it NATO or whatever.
For Russia, and announced as such, Anyone that plays is considered part of the conflict when it comes to air assets. Why not everything else? Russia is confident they can handle the rest.
you guys are smart … all I can do to follow, would never have these insights on my own
thx all
You may be the only person, and well us who read your brilliant stuff, who are aware of the State Department’s attempt at using Poland just as they used Ukraine and the American People. I hate this regime.
Thanks, U.S. .gov , for helping to fuel this panic:
So if Blinkin and nod follows through and the planes are sent to the Ukraine it would be the US getting involved. But being a member of NATO that would draw the rest in anyway.
I made it through the cold war without getting nuked I’ll be damned if it will be through these imbeciles.
https://www.airforcemag.com/backfilling-nato-mig-transfers-to-ukraine-not-quick-or-easy/
https://www.airforcemag.com/polands-new-offer-mig-29s-in-exchange-for-buying-used-u-s-aircraft/
Whatever, they still sent them to Germany for the Ukrainians to come and get and then fly back to Ukraine to fight Russian planes.
They haven’t sent them yet so STOP!
Uh the birds are still in Poland.
No, it did not happen. Poland made certain it would not happen by forcing the US to be the ones supplying the planes.
The US presented this to the world as something Poland was doing. Poland said , nope, we are not doing that. The YS said they were. Poland said, if you want this so bad, you give us tour more expensive jets, ( basically a barter, so now you own our less expensive jets) and we will send your jets wherever you want, after all, they are yours.
Everything this sick, evil, pernicious band of @#$$%$*%&%^@^%@% touch turns into a big steaming pile? They walk by it and it decays.
Unfortunately for Poland, are leaders are insane and evil enough to pull the trigger… and you won’t have an air force once they do. Yet again, sadly, Poland puts their bets on the wrong horse and their people will pay a brutal price 🙁
The US will not hold up it’s end of this bargain, especially since you didn’t go along with being the patsy we wanted you to be.
does this mean Poland has no choice but to go with Russia?
Here comes the next pandemic to pick up were the last one left off.
This time they won’t even float the natural origin BS because they can pin it all on Russia.
I put nothing off the table for the criminal asshats that are destroying this country.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1501313109520175104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1501313109520175104%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fgeopolitical%2Fpoland-announces-all-its-mig-29-jets-will-be-transferred-us-send-ukraine
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She’s on my version of Miss Lindsey’s wishlist.
The entire Biden Junta should be RICO’d and bound over at GITMO until trial.
Here comes the next pandemic to pick up were the last one left off.
This time they won’t even float the natural origin BS because they can pin it all on Russia.
I put nothing off the table for the criminal asshats that are destroying this country.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1501313109520175104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1501313109520175104%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fgeopolitical%2Fpoland-announces-all-its-mig-29-jets-will-be-transferred-https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1501313109520175104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E15013131095yr. H