Vice President JD Vance appears on Fox News to discuss the current status of negotiations and contact points to engage both the Russians and Ukrainians in a ceasefire.
From the response by Vance, it appears the Russians have the intention to gain a slightly larger part of Ukraine before they decide to enter discussions about halting the operation. As a result, the administration is awaiting the conclusion. WATCH (prompted):
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Of course they knew Russia would ask for too much. It’s Negotiation 101, mastered by PDJT47 himself.
Russia is not asking for too much. They are asking for the four Oblasts that voted to become part of Russia, (and a NATO-free remainder of Ukraine) … pretty simple.
Those regions basically voted to succeed from Ukraine. And, I think we support Russia annexing them. The delays are welcomed and maybe intentional so that Russia can recapture the remainder of those regions that Ukraine still illegally occupies.
Why do I think this? When Alberta succeeds from Canada and wants to join the US., we will just point to the four Ukraine Oblasts.
Make Succeeding Great Again.
Secede.
Thank You, my bad
I think “Succeeding” is an accurate.
Secedes. Just sayin,.
It will also be a warning to Moldova to treat its Russian citizens better than they have been in the past.
Your reasoning hadn’t occurred to me, and not sure how much its toungue in cheek, but I agree Russia isn’t asking too much.
IN the all important Court of Public Opinion, President Trump has successfully disabused the false narrative of “unprovoked Russian aggression” to the extent that keeping Russias frozen assets after, or requiring Russia to pay reparations is off the table, and given everyone a chance to see Zman is NOT Churchill, and Ukraine is NOT a Democracy.
And, I believe Presidents Trump and Putin have discussed the groundwork for areas of mutual interest after peace, such as investment, and Russia has played a role in getting Iran to the negotiating table.
So, since Zman’s backers keep pushing, let Russia take more territory, and focus on an agreement with Iran that enables them to join the World, in exchange for giving up their nuclear ambitions,..part of which would entail turning over their highly enriched uranium to,…RUSSIA.
Word is its Iran that told the Houthis to stand down, caught Bibi by surprise..meaning Israel is not in the loop, on negotiations with Iran, which I believe is a good thing.
I actually think “things” are going pretty much according to plan…
So the attack by the Houthis this past wknd near the Israel airport was just a nothing burger and they were just kidding? That attack was buried and then Trump said Tuesday Houthis are not going to bomb anymore a few days later. If Vance says we will just walk away if Russia demands too much, he will not win when he runs for president. Everyone is capitulating now that they’ve won, never mind Zelensky saying in front of cameras to Trump that he did not want a peace deal. Now because of these ‘minerals’ he’s again in the good graces like he was before and it’s all Russia’s fault again. Alberta will never secede from Canada…period.
Before WWII there was NEVER a country of UKRAINE. After the war ended, a bunch of parts of other countries were occupied by the militaries of the participants in the war. All the people living in these parts of other countries had one thing in common. They all belonged to the Ukrainian Catholic Church. From that time, there had been attempts to create a country called Ukraine but without much success. Until 2014 when Obummer and the CIA and the rest of the lefties created what now has that name. The rest is history and here we are.
I don’t know the exact terms that Russia requested, but I’m certain they asked for “too much” with an eye toward reducing what they ask to what they really want – the four oblasts and a non-NATO Ukraine.
PDJT47 knows the art of the deal. Ask for the moon and settle for a nice view of the night sky.
The only hang up with this, as I see it, is the non-NATO Ukraine promise. Why should the Russians trust us again? We’ve been promising no eastward NATO expansion since 1991, and all we’ve done is expand NATO eastward. Some of our political and military leaders say that using the Ukes to kill Russians is a good thing.
Any deal we strike is only good until 2028.
Stoopid AI changed your correct spelling of “secede” to “succeed”, of that I have no doubt. LOL.
All this talk about Alberta seceding from Canada and aboriginals are never mentioned. Aboriginals are one of the main reasons it’s not going to happen .
Without US supporting Canada, it is going to get really bad there. Alberta may just have no better option when that happens.
Russia is not asking for anything.
Russia is doing what they are doing,(what they have said they were going to do all along)taking back the four Oblasts that voted to become part of Russia. The longer this goes on, the smaller Ukraine gets.
Trump is the one who reached out to Russia because Ukraine/USA/collective west/Lindsey Graham/Neo-Con grifters are losing.
Russia laid down it’s demands(not asks) and is proceeding apace otherwise. My prediction is that by late summer, it’s demands will include their beloved Odessa.
The notion that the losing side can tell the winning side that it is asking too much would be laughable if it wasn’t so dangerous.
Trump had the chance to walk away on day one and didn’t take it.
Asking for an unconditional cease fire is asking for a “time out”
Excellent comment. The permanent government is obviously still in control.
We have elections every 4 years, the narrative maintained we have a functioning democracy. (A federal Republic of sovereign states was extinct over a century).
We are responsible for creating, funding and arming a monstrous militarized state out of the poorest, most corrupt country in Europe.
And using it to wage total war against Russia. Because they chose sovereignty as a nation and a people. That is Putins’ crime, the face of resistance to the one world governance.
NATO ceased to have a reason to exist when the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist. We have used NATO to wage endless wars. It has bankrupted our nation.
Trump is keeping involved in Ukraine as a way of remaining involved with Russia. The mineral deal looks like it’s made with the assumption or tacit agreement that Russia will end up in control and it will then be a US/Russia deal.
What he said.
If Trump had walked away he would had to have stopped all our support and Z would have kept fighting by conscripting everyone under 60. Russia would have had it all.
I would argue that Zelensky has asked for way too much for the last three years. Then, when he was not in direct contact with the auto-pen administration, he threw a tantrum IN THE WHITE HOUSE insulting our President and his immediate administration. Then he demanded that every American, not only contribute money, but their children’s lives to fight his war. Meanwhile, he has become a dictator in the country that he is claiming is fighting for their “democracy”.
You do realize that other religions also have imperfect ministers, pastors, rabbis, etc., etc. and deacons.
Right?
Odessa makes it just right.
To the River!
Deny the Sea!
Novorossiya will be Free!
Yes!
🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
Put Catherine’s statue back
where it was meant to be!
ah…pearl on the Black Sea…. ODESSA……Vladimir Vladimirovich will get it…
Stop the wars. Make fair trade deals. Wow, President Trump is definitely a threat to our oligarchy!
As one Treeper put it a few weeks ago, replace Democracy with Bureaucracy, then it all makes sense.
TRUMP IS A THREAT TO BUREAUCRACY!
Smooth as a rattlesnake.
Vice-President Vance performs very well in this capacity.
I’m enjoying the daily wins; small, medium and large.
Very unfortunately sin is endemic with all people of all stripes. It is, or at least should be, on the top of the list that everybody should be praying about
Very impressive
I’m not Catholic, but I think public school teachers take the crown on banging kids.
Good interview. JD is getting better at holding back his pounce mechanism.
President Trump apparently gave him reading material, on the evening of January 20th; The Art of the Deal and Sun Tzu Art of War. Hopefully he’s a quick study.
We are so blessed to have this man as V.P. !!!
That Vance is a devout Roman Catholic is a big bonus!
JD doesn’t address our involvement, I get really tired of it of the spittle from politicians where Ukraine is involved. We know the what, why, and how. Now end it, Russia can have what her people have voted for.
Trump is holding the US involvement card back until the budget is passed and the war is officially over
President Trump has to dance on a razors edge;
Disabuse the false narrative that Russia was unprovoked, because Vlad will rightly insist those frozen assets be returned, without actually admitting the U.S. is responsible for the War, because then the U.S. us respinsible for reparations.
So, he said of Zman “Shouldn’t start a war with a neighbor 10 x’s your size,…” basically implying Ukraine started it, and he also ckearly stated that when Zman said he wanted in NATO, and Joe agreed, he (PDJT) KNEW that was a PROVOCATION that would trigger a responce from President Putin.
He hasn’t actually stated “The American Govt. under several lprevious administrations, steadily moved NATO expansion Eastward, and our CIA arranged a coup in 2014, deposing the elected leader, and installing a puppet, SO THAT it could goad Russia into taking defensive measures,…and the U.S. is responsible.”
and, don’t hold your breath that he will..
Have said the same thing in other post. PDJT has his own flow chart on how things should go and in what order makes to most sense. All in good time my pretties.
Russia is going to take a good bit more and then they’ll dictate terms. If the Ukrainians refuse the deal then Russia will continue to take territory until Ukraine capitulates or is taken completely.
Well, if Russia takes it we won’t have to rebuild it.
It is certainly interesting to watch Vice President Vance acting in such a direct role. President Trump is delegating – not intervening.
“the Russians have the intention to gain a slightly larger part of Ukraine before they decide to enter discussions about halting the operation. “
How many more have to die for Putin to get a slightly larger part of Ukraine ??
HOW MANY HAVE TO DIED FOR…ZELENSKY….. BEFORE HE SIGN UP CAPITULATION ??????
Apparently the unelected little dictator Zelensky believes a lot more Ukrainians need to perish before he inevitably relents.
Just ask the ghost of Benito Mussolini how things finally turn out for people like him . . . 💀
Russia actually “asked” for nothing.
They simply restated the Goals of the SMO with specific requirements for achieving them.
As JD implied, the USA will end up leaving it to Ukraine and Russia to settle things militarily
—> ELIMINATION of the Nazi Regime (De-NAZIfication)
—> DESTRUCTION of their Nazi-Infested Military & MIC (De-Militarization)
—> RESTORATION of Russian-Heritage Citizens’ Culture, History, Language, Religion & Rights (De-Confliction)
In the end, Russia will neuter & neutralize & absorb 2 LAYERS of Ukrainian Oblasts from Romania along the Black Sea and north to cover the FULL borders with Russia and Belarus, eliminating all vestiges of Ukrainian-Nazi presence.
The Russians have added the full 4 regions they claim to their constitution but do not control all of them. They won’t stop fighting until they control all that territory, be it by force or by voluntary Ukrainian withdrawal. It’s the condition for a ceasefire. It’s impossible to convince the Ukrainians to pull back so we know what’s going to happen. Zelensky will have a window to sue for peace at that point and retain domestic support. He better take it cause there’s a risk the Russians could expand their war aims to Odessa etc.
Russia will take Odessa.
The UkroNazis’ gruesome murder of dozens in Odessa in Maidan were an express declaration of war on the Russophillic region and Russia will not abandon her to their tender care.
Achieving peace requires facts on the ground, and only Russia has the will and the means to effect them; America has not once asked Ukraine to cede a single hectare that Russia hasn’t yet taken; Ukraine demands a fight for every inch, Ukraine amply demonstrated they will never be a “partner for peace”; Russia must be allowed to prevail and achieve the just goals they laid out at the very beginning of the SMO, and take the territories they need to protect from the Nazis and the buffers they need to protect those regions; that’s just the way it is.
If Peace is the Prize, the Treaty mustn’t be a second Versailles.
Obviously the VP is surpassing the
performance of his duties far better than the previous cackling baboon we had to endure.. Trump made an excellent choice in him.
The way I see it Mr. Vance has ,so far, proven to be the best VP we have had in my whole life and I an 67 yrs old
jim i have to agree.i am 62 and can not remember a vp ever doing what vance has done and it comes back to “the boss”telling him what he wants and what needs to be done .trump has more on his plate then he can deal with with all the trade deals ,iran,russia/ukraine etc so needs vance to take up the slack,and man he’s doing a heck of a job,this is what a real v.p. is.and i love it.
Rather foolishly, theVP spothas been a waste, never being used for anything of consequence.
What PDJT is doing with Vance, is just common sense.
Importantly, Trump is showing (in all of his appointments …) that he knows how to delegate. He gives each subordinate an assignment, then he stands back and supports them while letting them run with it. He does not micro-manage. If he has doubts, the public does not know: the matter is taken up in private.
When asked about Vance’s comments at Munich, he replies: “He might be right.” When he damned well knows. But Vance (and Patel, and Bondi and Hegseth and all the others …) all know that he will not countermand them. Each one of them is going to find their own way to do their job, knowing that their boss has their back. He demands, and receives, loyalty and professionalism.
This is part of “how you earn billions of dollars in business . . .” Go read the books. Again.
I don’t think we know what’s really going on.
It seems to me that the reason PDJT can’t end it is because he is not in charge- the IC is in charge. That is the reason PDJT can’t stop the weapons and the money and expertise helping the UKrainians. PDJT is not in charge.
He doesn’t pull out because he can’t. He doesn’t admit it because it is better to look tough than impotent.
In some measure, that cannot be denied, but the simple fact is that we do not have the cards to make Russia stop, and we don’t even have a just and reasonable argument to make for why they should stop.
Only Russia can achieve and maintain peace in Ukraine; it will be on her terms.
jazzbogie focuses on the obvious, but there is more.
Russia is not going to agree to a ceasefire, with the concensus of the International Community being that the war was an “unprovoked aggression” on Russias part, and therefore the various countries holding frozen Russia assets (EU, U.S. and Ukraine) are entitled to keep them, nor should Russia agree.
Nor is Russia going to agree to a cease fire, that leaves the same warmongers able to wait a few years and start their crap up again, after PDJT is out of office.
Ergo, the deep state must be destroyed, and the eurowienies running the EU (actually, a dissolution of the EU would be best) in addition to removing the nazis.
PDJT is in the process of doing all that, but its going to take some time.
Brick by brick, my citisens,…brick by brick.
Russia looked at a massive NATO army being amassed on its borders, and chose to seize the military advantage by striking first. It was clearly a matter of days. It was not a question of “whether.” The war was doomed to happen, and not by Russia’s choice.
Remember: They have fought “real Nazis” before. In fact, this is the day that they celebrate historic victory. Those Nazis are still there.
They could have either ignored reality and sat there with their head up their ass, until put on the defensive. Which is never the right place to be when you know it’s coming. Or, they could seize the day, which they did. They grabbed the advantage and have held it ever since.
Yet, they stated on day one what their objectives were – and, were not. Amazingly, they have never deviated from this original mission statement. They refer to this as a civil war, and they practice restraint.
You state something I am constantly telling the fools in CT at the bar. I will say, even some of the Dems there agree with and understand what we speak of here.
The point you mention is that Russia is only doing and only has done what they laid out in front of the United Nations about 3/3.5 years ago now. Most Americans have not heard Vassily Nebenzia speech at the UN, after the special military operation began by Russia. Or his speech at the January 31, 2022, UN Security Council, giving the reasons behind the 100, 000 troop build up.
Not an ounce more or less.
The unspoken part of the UK tariff deal will be to back Trumps play.
A reasonable supposition, certainly a worthy hope.
I think that you hit the nail on the head when you said: “I don’t think we know what is really going on.” No, we don’t.
There is important meaning in the term: “classified.” And, “need to know.” And, “knowledge is power.”
Donald J. Trump
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Talks with Russia/Ukraine continue. The U.S. calls for, ideally, a 30-day unconditional ceasefire. Hopefully, an acceptable ceasefire will be observed, and both Countries will be held accountable for respecting the sanctity of these direct negotiations. If the ceasefire is not respected, the U.S. and its partners will impose further sanctions. Thousands of young soldiers are dying on a weekly basis, and everybody should want it to STOP. I do, and the United States of America does, also. As President, I will stay committed to securing Peace between Russia and Ukraine, together with the Europeans, and a Lasting Peace it will be! This ceasefire must ultimately build toward a Peace Agreement. It can all be done very quickly, and I will be available on a moment’s notice if my services are needed. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
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What a joke. So the country that started the war in the first place is now acting like a totally innocent third party and “mediator” who really wanted peace all along. You can’t be a mediator and the major facilitator of the conflict at the same time. All the while threating more sanctions if the U.S./NATO/Trump don’t get what they want.
Trump might reflect on the fact that there are and have been people dying in many places for quite some time and much of the dying is due to our disastrous policies.
He never mentions the thousands of children in Gaza being murdered – odd he is more concerned about soldiers dying than civilians
Yes. Also Kellogg is running around stating alternate plans and not what Vance is talking about at all. So the entire exercise is smoke and mirrors. The Russians have no reason to trust this administration any more than any other U.S. administration.
This is all about scamming the Russians. It is quite a juvenile attempt and it won’t work.
Talk of the Ukraine war just hurts my soul. It’s so sad and pathetic. What does “we’re just gonna walk away“ mean? It means the war continues as before, just as it did during the Biden administration, meaning that we continue to send hundreds of billions of dollars to support Ukraine, and the CIA continues to run the war theoretically on behalf of Ukraine, but really just to harass Russia, which the American deep state has decided is our enemy, for absolutely no sane or rational reason.
The worst part is that Trump is obviously not going to pick a fight with the deep state on this issue. Which means he’s not going to try to assert the authority of the elected President of the United States over unelected spooks. In all important respects, the foreign policy of the United States will continue to be determined by the deep state, not by elected presidents, who are increasingly irrelevant to American foreign policy.
When you are the “Commander-in-Chief” on the ground, and you must keep secrets, it’s a very lonely place to be. Your objective is to bring a pointless war to an end. Your every move is in the public eye. Yet, you cannot speak freely. Because this is real-world negotiation. Which you have spent a lifetime doing, albeit in a different context.
“Anglo-American War on Russia” documentary series by Tales of the American Empire on FewTube, dozens of episodes
Wiki/Color_Revolutions > CIA caused a dozen color coups in east Europe since 2002, in Ukraine during 2004 and 2014.
“The Devil’s Chessboard” by David Talbot on our rotten “security” community
Good. Russia should get the whole damn country of Ukraine… reparations for the lost lives, wasted time & money.
The present-day boundaries of “Ukraine” were imposed upon Poland and many others in USSR agricultural central-planning meetings. They are not historic. (And, these actions have not been forgotten, e.g. by the Poles. Land is vitally important to Eastern Europeans.)
The historic “Ukraine,” also, was a place which has held “blood emnity” against “anything(!) Russian” for literally thousands of years. You can find scholarly articles on the subject if you search at thepostil.com, which is a religious website. Their internecine warfare literally dates back to “a grandson of Genghis Kahn.”
The original capitol of “Rusa” was in the old Ukranian territory before it was moved to Moscow.
I keep hearing that the people, and there are millions of them, who fear that Russia is out to reassemble its former Empire, are foolish.
I also keep hearing, from people who don’t live anywhere near the area, that Russia is just going to take back what is rightfully theirs.
“USSR” was never “Russia’s empire.” It was a failed grand social experiment, which was ultimately abandoned because it simply didn’t work. (As the “CCP” will, in due time, also be abandoned.) The phrase, “oxen unequally yoked together” comes to mind. Central planning looks good only on paper.
On the world’s historical stage, the “USA” is still very much the new kid on the block. Not yet three hundred years old! It pays to remember that. Don’t lecture other countries about “history” when you haven’t lived it yet.
Do the PEOPLE want to be Russian or Ukrainian?
Putin is very popular in that region, and Zelensky has suspended elections and behaved like a tyrant. I say stop the killing, draw a line in the dirt that makes sense, and let the people figure out on which side of the line they want to be.
No matter what happens though, STOP SPENDING MY TAX DOLLARS on the corrupt Ukrainian government, STOP sending weapons, and people over there and GET THE HELL OUT OF NATO.
NATO is a problem in and of itself and it should have been gone a long time ago.
Did anyone else notice her question?
Why didn’t the US go to the EU before going to Great Britain to negotiate a deal? Why would she ask such a thing? When you make an alliance with a group, they don’t take over your resources and tell you what to do with them! They are there for support and assistance in time of need.
The EU and NATO are trying to be “rulers of them all” and should be disbanded and eliminated. President Trump has the right idea; nations should have bi-lateral agreements and avoid this collective, globalist agenda!
You can’t mediate if you’re a party in the conflict
Trump’s foreign policy is a clown show and will sink his presidency. What happened to Peace President?
Well he continues our proxy war in Ukraine with money and weapons and intelligence, he kills civilians in Yemen at the behest of Netanyahu and achieves nothing, he stays silent and is a party to genocide in Gaza.
He has completely lost my confidence and I understand the love for him but reality sucks sometimes
He is a neocon.
Code words like peace through strength and carrot and stick just reek of imperialist world view
Let’s be perfectly honest about it: Trump and his advisors have completely mishandled the Ukraine-Russia war.
The U.S. has no leverage over Russia, because Biden and the EU have exhausted all options short of an open military confrontation.
I thought this administration would quickly restrain Zelensky. Surprisingly, though, they seem to have zero leverage over Zelensky either. How is that possible? Zelensky can’t survive without U.S. support, and yet the U.S. continues to arm him.
Trump needed at least some European nations like Poland (logistics) and France (the only EU country that has some resemblance of a military) to contain Zelensky. But he decided to indiscriminately attack everyone at the same time.
Of course, Putin sees this Charlie Foxtrot and won’t do any deal. Why should he? Because Trump is scary?
The fact that he surrounds himself with neocon pro-war advisers says it all.
Kellogg, Rubio, Walz, Hegseth
If he were serious about peace he would fire everyone of them and also any general who presents attack plans on Iran and Yemen. And tell Lindsey Graham to go f himself.
The peace through strength guiding principle is better understood as peace through intimidation and fear – it’s false advertising to say it has anything to do with peace
Just like the carrot and stick approach where there is really no carrot but there is always a stick to enforce submission.
Oh, great. Another mind-reader who knows better than Trump what needs to be done. Or is it just the same troll talking to him, her, or its self?
Oh please… What is this nonsense? People express opinions that may differ from yours. Only Trump knows—3D chess, right? Nobody signed up to be a mindless cheerleader, especially not when the guy I voted for three times and donated five figures to acts like he has no plan.
You are disrespectful n your comments and add nothing
Pure silliness. You have no idea what the end game is, what Putin is thinking, or what approach makes the most sense.
You have posted a dissenting opinion, rather than a valid counterargument, a counterargument that explains, with logic, why an assertion is wrong by offering a reason. Your argument, instead, is just a series of baseless emotional assertions. For example, you have no idea what the end game is, what Putin is thinking, or what approach makes the most sense.
It’s true, I don’t know what Putin thinks, but logically speaking, and with some life experience of 50+ years I know that leverage and incentives control everything around you. Intent is driven by incentive. Will is imposed through leverage. I don’t see any incentives for Putin to stop while he is ahead. He clearly sees that Zelensky doesn’t care about Trump and what Trump wants. And I don’t see any leverage beyond a full-on military confrontation between the U.S. and Russia–something neither the U.S. nor Russia is willing to risk. Both Russia’s ruling elites and Putin don’t really trust us. And I can’t blame them for that. Can you, given how often we’ve lied to them and how we have treated them since the Soviet Union ceased to exist? They (the Russians) were very pro-American in the early nineties, happy and willing to work with us. They were fans of the United States and what it stood for. And what did we do? We spat in their face. They know the moment Trump is gone in four years or loses control over the House and Senate in 2027, Russia will be facing the old D.C. policy again.
So if you expect me to just “trust the plan,” then you need to offer something more than a 3D chess argument.
I’m not a mindless cheerleader running on emotions.
I really appreciate your thoughtful interpretation of events and I’m disappointed our group here accepts Trump as perfect and correct
He is actually dumb about the Ukraine war – not an attack on his mental acuity but rather an accusation of laziness to seek to understand
Putin has expressed his end game endlessly and we are too lazy to listen