I have been waiting for someone to outline what the Dept of Government Efficiency (DOGE) is all about. Unfortunately, perhaps due to the history of the matter, it appears few understand. So, with that in mind, and accepting the operators of DOGE may not have a fulsome comprehension of the dynamic, here is what it means.
The last Federal Budget that passed through “regular order” was for Fiscal Year 2008, signed by President George W Bush in September of 2007. Every budget since has been outside regular order; a series of continuing resolutions, omnibus spending packages and short-term funding mechanisms. {CITATION}
That is correct. In the past 17 years, all federal spending has been ‘short-term’ or ‘stop-gap’ spending measures, generally known as “Continuing Resolutions,” where the govt (House and Senate) continue to perpetually resolve to fund the government. The CRs as they are known, punt the spending debate by accepting a baseline of prior spending and tweaking around the edges.
The key takeaway to begin thinking about DOGE is to understand that REGULAR ORDER has not been used since Fiscal Year 2008.
Title III of the Congressional Budget Act outlines a legal timeline that each President and Congress must follow {SEE HERE}. Prior to 2007, Continuing Resolutions were only used to resolve short term arguments about spending priorities.
♦ BACKGROUND – The President is required by law to submit his budget by the first Monday in February. Yes, even when an election takes place and a President doesn’t assume office until January 20th, the first Monday in February is still the legal requirement for the new White House budget proposal.
The Presidents’ budget is then submitted to The House of Representatives, where two weeks later the Congressional Budget Office, reviews the budget and issues an opinion as to the cost of the budget. No later than six weeks after the President submits his budget all House committees send the House Appropriations Committee their spending proposals [April 15].
Through May and June, each budgetary appropriations bill from the House is sent to the Senate. The Senate receives the House appropriations bills, then reviews through the Senate Appropriations Committee (Thune just picked Susan Collins as Chair). The Senate proposes their spending priorities based on the House bill because the House has constitutional authority to originate all spending [June 15]. The House and Senate budgets are “reconciled” using parliamentary procedures [June 30] and then sent to the President for signature.
The fiscal year begins October 1st.
That’s the regular order process.
Again, regular order has not been followed since Fiscal Year 2008, signed by George W Bush in September of 2007.
♦ The Problem – When congress doesn’t follow regular order they end up with a series of “continuing resolutions” (CRs) where spending is decided on a short-term basis because they don’t have an agreed budget. The problem with CRs is what’s called “baseline budgeting” where all prior spending is the baseline for the continuation of spending proposals. The baseline accepts all previous spending priorities, then adds to them with the new spending needs.
Baseline Budgeting means congress keeps spending on all historic programs regardless of merit or benefit. All the prior spending just continues, and new spending is added. That means when an omnibus spending package is created (instead of individual appropriations bills), all the previous government waste is baked into the cake, and the funds are spent again – regardless of need.
EXAMPLE – If congress funds a trillion-dollar Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), and then doesn’t follow regular order in the next year, the TARP funds spent become part of the baseline of spending. The trillion-dollar TARP can be spent again, and again, and again, as each subsequent year of CRs continues unfolding.
Now, imagine what exists within the system of federal spending when most of the expenditures of the past 18 years are never filtered out. Eighteen years of smaller, albeit not insignificant, amounts of money continually piled on top of each other. Imagine what lays underneath all those layers and layers of unreviewed spending. That’s where we are.
To be fair, the House of Representatives under Republicans did pass almost all of their individual spending bills this past year and sent them to the Senate. However, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer just ignored the bills, put them on a shelf and awaited the govt funding problem to surface so that another CR debate could take place.
Now, you might ask yourself how this ridiculous system can be stopped or put into check. Well, the mechanism to shut down this nonsense is in the power of a Presidential Veto.
A President can veto a federal budget that he/she feels spends too much money and subsequently send that budget back to congress. This is where politics comes into play because essentially if the funding runs out the Presidential veto is shutting down the government.
Again, this has been our reality for the past 18-years as congress blames the President and the President blames congress. Each of them playing a game of political chicken, daring the other to be blamed by the public for financial Armageddon. Example Below:
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Again, regular order has not been followed since Fiscal Year 2008, signed by George W Bush in September of 2007. It’s been CR politics ever since.
♦ Now, along comes President Trump in term #2 which begins January 20, 2025.
As you start to think about DOGE, remember, in the background of the transition, using OMB Budget Director Russ Vought, the first Trump budget has been organized and will be submitted to the House of Representatives by the required legal day of February 1, 2025.
In part, it is transparently obvious why House Speaker Mike Johnson has been visiting Mar-a-Lago so much. There is strategic budget planning afoot.
A Republican President Donald Trump is going to submit a “regular order” budget to a Republican controlled House.
The now Republican controlled Senate (John Thune) will be responsible for accepting each of the House Appropriations bills and responding accordingly to create a federal budget for Fiscal Year 2026.
I highly suspect President Trump is not going to accept another failed budget and yet another CR from a Republican House and Republican Senate.
The problem Trump faces is the Republicans will not want to be responsible for cutting out 18 years of fat from the spending process. The democrats will wield the politics of these cuts in order to achieve electoral victory in the 2026 midterms….
…. Enter, Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy and DOGE.
That looming regular order budget, and/or the looming veto if it is not followed, is the visible purpose of DOGE.
In essence, Elon Musk is assembling DOGE as the weapon needed to hold a UniParty congress accountable to deliver a regular order budget.
Yes, hundreds upon hundreds of billions, perhaps trillions, can be cut out of the budget if “regular order” is followed. Each committee in congress will have to submit their spending proposal to the House Budget and Appropriations Committee, while Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy are reviewing each of those proposals and putting them on BLAST!
DOGE may start reinforcing rules within the federal government as controlled by the Executive Branch. However, DOGE isn’t going to be going into federal agencies per se’, to cut their spending. DOGE can just wait for the Fiscal Year 2026 spending proposals those agencies are legally required to submit congress to come to them, then review and BLAST any of the fat.
Through this process, the Executive Branch is not in constitutional conflict with the Legislative Branch. Congress can accept and submit any spending proposal they want, but DOGE can outline it happening in real time and pour sunlight on to it. This is why DOGE and a Republican Congress working together is more effective.
When you understand what I have outlined above, then what follows below from Representative Tim Burchett makes more sense. WATCH:
Just left the @DOGE meeting with @elonmusk and @VivekGRamaswamy and it’s clear to me that the problem is going to be the members in that room.
Cameo by @chiproytx pic.twitter.com/pEzNbAPhCF
— Tim Burchett (@timburchett) December 5, 2024
Burchett is saying that congress will never cut that 18-years of CR fat out of the spending bills, no matter what they say. That 18-years of CR fat is huge. Think of the scale of 18-years of layers of spending as a result of baseline budgets and CRs.
What Burchett is not fully absorbing, is how a VETO from President Trump is now framed against the visibility of the political BLAST that Musk can provide.
Can you see it now?
Last point. Perhaps, just perhaps, one of the people with strong familiarity of this issue, Matt Gaetz, is going to be a key player.
Maybe there was a reason no one else wrote this.
Love to all
~ Sundance


I listened to the whole Joe Rogan interview with Mike Benz. I encourage everyone to do the same. It’s a real eye opener on how the CIA is part of every aspect of our society and why the uniparty is a uniparty. I betcha a donut that most of the fat in those 18 years has gone to the IC directly or indirectly through NGOs, etc.
Cut the fat, cut the Swamp/ IC/ Blob influence in the US and the world.
“Maybe there was a reason no one else wrote this.” Are you saying you have spoken/been in contact with one of these people in the incoming circle about this?
No less than:
The Art of Critical Thinking
A few, these days, have such the gift…
…and typically those who use their gift, do study.
I observed my gifted child study and succeed. Study and the art might become your gift too.
Trust me…. Sundance is not
You could be right – or, you could be wrong. The “trust me” is misplaced in either case.
Sundance, how do you see Matt Gaetz involved? It’s pretty evident they have a plan to use him in all this MAGA govt. change but it’s like they are hiding how…
thanks
Yes, it needs to be a ‘discovered check’, as in a chess match.
They are trying to limit the Unipartys’ response time.
Matt has a lot of tea to spill on members of Congress.
Yes- I doubt he’s gone far away.
He could be one of Trump’s wild cards.
>> “it’s like they are hiding how…”
I see a very bright future for Matt Gaetz as a special prosecutor for any number of crimes against the republic by the DS and the TPTW (The Powers That
BeWere); but announcing anything like that will have to wait until after Jan 20.Burmashave:
🛎️ Ding just went off in my brain.
Maybe a good guy bad guy scenario where the “good” Bondi appoints the “bad” Gaetz as special councel?
Niiiiiice. 👊✝️👊
Special Counsels need to be confirmed by the Senate. Seems a long shot.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/attorney-generals-special-counsel-regulations/
Not according to Brookings. 🤭✝️🤭
US Attorney for DC is a very critical role. I thought RFK would be a good fit there. Several interesting possibilities.
He’ll have his hands full as it is.
Well, now we have a better idea of where all that grift comes from.
Now to see where it goes! Paging Elon and Vivek!!!
Yes, once DOGE identifies and exposes the grift it will be up to Congress, specifically the House, to address the issues and cut the enormous budgets.
“The problem Trump faces is the Republicans will not want to be responsible for cutting out 18 years of fat from the spending process. The democrats will wield the politics of these cuts in order to achieve electoral victory in the 2026 midterms”
Most likely, Republicans and Democrats don’t want to cut that fat because they helped inject that pork to directly benefit their individual states.
I believe the people that voted for President Trump want huge cuts to our budget. Part of his campaign promises was to cut the outrageous, fraudulent, wasteful spending. I believe if he can accomplish this we will not lose seats in 2026 And we might even gain some.
I think that once DOGE exposes all of this ridiculous, wasteful spending and then let’s the American taxpayers know how their hard earned money is spent via alternative media then the Uniparty will be put on the defensive trying to explain why taxpayer money such as $6,000,000 is vital to be allocated for tourism in Egypt.
These scumbags in Congress will be put on the defensive position. Let them explain why they squandered trillions of dollars.
Why do we give money to Panama…we gave them the Canal to make money with…
Scroll down in this article, for who gets what/how much…long list…
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/us-foreign-aid-by-country
To get laundered back to Congress, of course! I’m thinking that ALL foreign aid is just payoffs & money laundering, nothing more.
Note that the countries getting aid NEVER IMPROVE, & there’s NEVER AN ACCTING of where it was spent..
Just doing THAT would cut the grift enormously.
Musk will use his X platform to detail every leaching Department who waste taxpayer money. When average Americans see total human trash being paid twice what they are for staying home doing zero, don’t think DC’s media whores will be able to generate much sympathy for the leach employees
Watch out for ‘carriers’ to not allow the X platform.
Congress is Constitutionally required to, from time to time, give an accounting of all expenditures and receipts. We are waiting.
With enough sunlight and wide spread knowledge regarding the outrageous expenditures, pressure will mount on the Congress to cut the fat. We, as citizens, have to pay attention and cause that pressure once it is targeted.
Hopefully the American people that voted in the last election will react with the same energy for the waste of taxpayers dollars in the days ahead. If so then we have a chance.
I suspect that if an itemized list of interesting budget buffooneries is presented, it will get traction. Lessee…subsidies, travel and perqs to illegal aliens, Ukraine funding distro details (if they exist), promotional programming for COVID vacqseen gaslighting and trans-gender military recruiting efforts…have at it…
DOGE is a win win when pared with a veto.
The veto gives Trump power to cut departments and spending any way he sees fit. He just can’t add spending, but he can cut spending with a chainsaw under a government shutdown, and with DOGE implemented “efficiencies” america will see that yes, everything runs smoothly without all the fat, just like at twitter.
The veto or even no budget at all, no cr, no budget, just Trump implementing DOGE and balancing the budget on a rolling basis is totally in Trump’s wheelhouse, no other POTUS could do it.
Bad budget gets a veto, and a vetoed budget gives you DOGE.
Without a presidential line item veto power, vetoes are just a bad joke…
BTW, here are Donald’s vetoes last time around, all of them, six in 2019, three in 2020, and one in 2021:
https://ballotpedia.org/Donald_Trump:_Vetoed_legislation
So, no “bad budgets” from 2016-2020?
Free Narcan for hopium ODs.
It was made clear why the veto didn’t work. No sunlight on the omnibus spending & both parties are guilty of liking the status quo.
Enter DOGE to tilt the sun’s axis & shine glaring sunlight on their collective legislative malfeasance.
The legislative branch will have a gargantuan problem persuading the public that their malfeasance is justifiable.
Or we can do it your way & call it a failure before we even start because… history.
Any veto will likely result in a threatened shutdown. Should a shutdown occur any employee sent home should not be paid. There would be no difference in this action than when a corporation locks out employees due to misrepresentation in negotiations.
So there IS a chance!!!
Yeah!!! 😀👍❤️
Matt Gaetz certainly needs a major role in this administration; he’s the most fearless, outspoken truth teller the Republicans have!
Many will have a role to play. DeSantis also.
Don’t trust DeSantis. he is a RINO, Snake and will look out for is POTUS run in 2028
Never ron!..
Any GDP contraction resulting from reduced spending (even reduced wasted spending) needs to happen sooner in the administration than later. Hopefully releasing free enterprise on petroleum/fuel/fertilize/transportation will off-set both resilient inflation and help push a real GDP number positive.
Those, of any, will be offset by the lower energy costs resulting from reinstated oil and gas leases that Ol’ Joe cancelled on day one of his regime
Thank you SD! This is the first clean and logical explanation of what has not only happened to America’s corrupted budget process…but the possible true value and contribution of the DOGE process. I pray that our team is successful.
I did not take the time to read this yesterday when it first popped up in my email b/c it was so long and I assumed I would not understand it. BUT to my joy, I did “bite the bullet” and take the time to read this now, and I must say that Sundance explained this all so well that I could follow it quite easily. It brought me back to the days of when Rush would talk about the CR bills and liberals making a big deal out of “shutting down the govt”. I do understand more clearly what the workings of DOGE will be and how Trump can veto when he wants. Thanks Sundance for your patience and explanations.
And I didn’t realize that it has been 18 YEARS of the CRs. MAN!!
And even during a “shutdown”, 85% of govt spending is on automatic pilot … SS, Medicare, Medicaid, the VA, ad nauseum. Note that you never hear “Republicans” laugh at the Dim accusations of this, and ask them what 15% doesn’t get paid!
$2 trillion!
https://x.com/rattletrap1776/status/1865248380613517463?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Oh, my goodness. Written so a layman can understand. What legislator will have the guts to override a presidential veto because they want to load up a Regular Order Budget with fat? Every time DOGE blasts fat, I hope a description of the fat and the funds allocated for it will be posted to X and Truth Social along with the name of the legislator(s) wanting it. Hopefully, it will then be picked up by the media to be spread to anyone willing to listen. This has to have been planned for months and months. I can clearly see now why Russ Vought is so important. So interesting.
Yes….name names.
The handmaiden media will do nothing of the sort. PDJT will be killing grandma, grandpa & hungry/sick & homeless children with each & every veto or spending cut.
Itemize the theft on alternative media & nobody will hear them.
Yes, make it ALL public, whose grifting the Golden Goose!
This is the most concise, logical explanation of all Gov’t shenanigans and waste. One bad spending bill, piled on top of the previous one. Thank you
only bad part is knowing, and having to watch it happen to me/us/you
You’re right, let’s hope Congress grow some balls to do what needs to be done
How about suspend all campaign contributions AND salary paychecks until they get a budget appropriated and passed??
Yes, Gaetz gave a barn burner of a presser outside of congressional offices on this subject not long ago. It was awesome to watch. Hope he gets back into the game.
Maybe we saw the same thing.
Great article, Sundance! You have a knack for putting chaos in perspective.
The simplicity of the final product belies the amount of hard work that had to have gone into it.
National Endowment for Democracy (NED) is another one that needs to go. $300 million last year. NED is run by Robert and Victoria Nuland. The numbers are undoubtedly under reported. They also run The Institute for the Study of War in Washington DC.
Wow.
One of many that the swamp use as the end to their nefarious means.
Afuera!!
Their “naughty list” will garner as little attention from voters as the Conservative Review’s Liberty Score that shows F and D-rated RINO Senators being reelected over and over again.
Yeah, it’s a Huffington Post link, but facts are facts and I’ve added the Republican Senators’ Liberty Scores to the text.
Elon Musk Meets With Lawmakers About ‘DOGE’ Crusade Against Government Spending
The two offered little insight into their project, though Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) [Liberty Score A 100%] said the two would be keeping a “naughty list” of certain lawmakers.
Dec 5, 2024
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/elon-musk-vivek-ramaswamy-doge_n_675220fee4b0351fcbb3b465
Excerpts:
Earlier on Thursday, Ramaswamy met alone with GOP senators, some of whom stressed afterwards that it is still up to Congress, not Musk and Ramaswamy, to set spending levels. President-elect Donald Trump has described DOGE as a non-governmental project that would function as more of an advisory panel for ways to root out waste, rather than a traditional government agency.
“They’re more of an advisory group that works behind the scenes with the White House,” Sen. James Lankford (R-Okla.) [Liberty Score C 76%] told reporters after leaving the meeting.
Asked why DOGE would succeed when previous efforts to drive down spending with the help of an outside commission, like the 2010 deficit commission, have failed, Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) [Liberty Score F 49%] told reporters, “That question is way too early for this process.” [LOL, an F-rated RINO pretending to defend the effort – W]
“Elon and Vivek talked about having a naughty list and a nice list for members of Congress and senators, and how we vote and how we’re spending the American people’s money,” she [Greene] said.
While lawmakers await DOGE recommendations, its leaders are both in favor of dramatically slashing federal spending. Ramaswamy, a biotech entrepreneur who ran for president and then became a top surrogate for Trump, wants to eliminate 75% of the federal workforce. Musk has talked about wanting to cut $2 trillion from the federal budget. [fat chance on either of those – the reason is given next – W]
As he left the meeting, Rep. Tim Burchett (R-Tenn.) [Liberty Score A 95%] offered a pessimistic take on the DOGE mission.
“If Congress doesn’t have the guts to do those things they’re talking real big about, it’s just a waste of time,” Burchett said.
Tillis just texted me yesterday, whining about how Trump has put together a powerhouse team ready to advance his America first agenda. From Bondi to Kash Patel his team is ready to shake things up day 1, and how he’s ready to help, (I’m paraphrasing) he says R’s Must work together, day and night to get Trumps team confirmed. BUT the D’s and media are hard at work trying t destroy Trumps nominees and attacking R Senators. However, if I were to send him just $35, this would help them fight back. Really Thom? You need my money to do your effing job? Can’t wait to primary this clown
Just consider the open contempt for you that this lying sack of sh** has just demonstrated!
5% compounded on $1 over 17 years is $2.34. And that doesn’t even include the additional “emergency” printing of money.
Every year, fewer and fewer Americans can keep up with the resulting inflation.
I place a lot of the blame on John Boehner, who handed over the purse strings when he was Speaker of the House.
more CR spending Dec 20.
possibly a Veto in 2026
They will try to pack an additional five years of spending into it. The House will have to vote it down. Trump should be inaugurated with the government being shut down for a full month.
in 2026
“the government being shut down for a full month”
See above.
Sure, because vetoes have always resulted in nothing more than a bunch of pork barrel project bribes to get minuscule concessions .
Without line item veto capability, the only adequate veto to force significant change would be one shutting down the fedgov long enough to STOP outgoing social security, military, fedgov employee and other checks and that would be 2/3 0verridden by CONgress because that would be politically damaging to both halves of the UniParty.
Donald is going to be ruling via EOs just like he did last time.
“Donald?”
Yes. I noticed that as well. “Donald”.
The poster thinks that the US Presidency and Executive Office is still a performer in the Uniparty Theatre on the Potomac and it is 8 years ago.
The Donald!
Look for a shut down timed against Jan. 20, 2025, also might be an unprincipaled effort to stop certification during a shut down.
“To catch a gopher, you must think like a gopher.”
I don’t think Congress understands yet what they are up against.
EXACTLY the opposite.
“Donald”.
Johnson and Musk are creating unrealistic expectations.
They say they are going to go from 420ish agencies to 99 agencies.
The are lying.
It’s not a lie, it’s a goal.
Yes they teach you that in a lot of management training. You aim high.
Elon is the perfect man to aim at a seemingly unreachable goal, when you think about it.
Yes, my personal goal is to teleport my enemies to the surface of Proxima Centauri b:
That’s a “lofty” goal, all right.
Very good.
Yep, how’d this turn out?
National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Commission_on_Fiscal_Responsibility_and_Reform
A report was released on December 1, 2010 recommending a combination of spending cuts (including an increase in the Social Security retirement age and cuts to military, benefit, and domestic spending) and tax increases (including restricting or eliminating certain tax credits and deductions and increasing the federal gasoline tax). Proponents of the plan praised it for hitting all parts of the federal budget and for putting the national debt on a stable and then downward path.
But, fear not, Ramaswamy and Musk have a cunning plan that no one has ever thought of before and with powers no one has ever had before to implement it.
How about this one:
Grace Commission
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Commission
The Private Sector Survey on Cost Control (PSSCC), commonly referred to as the Grace Commission, was an investigation requested by United States President Ronald Reagan, authorized in Executive Order 12369 on June 30, 1982. In doing so President Reagan used the now famous phrase, “Drain the swamp”. The survey’s focus was on eliminating waste and inefficiency in the United States federal government. Businessman J. Peter Grace chaired the commission. Reagan asked the members of that commission to “Be bold. We want your team to work like tireless bloodhounds. Don’t leave any stone unturned in your search to root out inefficiency.”
I remember that. Grace ran into a brick wall.
Anyone remember “the sequester” of 2011? Well, that lasted 2 years, sort of.
Difference may be name names,lived thru the other commissions & no one was put front & center as being the problem.
Thank you again Sundance for giving us all of the information you glean.
One question, you said, “The democrats will wield the politics of these cuts in order to achieve electoral victory in the 2026 midterms”.
Is it possible that if cuts are actually made and we pass a Real Budget, this will greatly help our chances to not only retain seats but maybe even gain more seats. The American people gave President Trump a mandate to change the status quo. If he, and Republicans are able to achieve even a portion of that it will be a positive message.
We win with clean elections.this has to be done early in 25.
Yes, and we have enough excellent people now who understand how the steal is done in various states, to be effective.
“The problem Trump faces is the Republicans will not want to be responsible for cutting out 18 years of fat from the spending process. The democrats will wield the politics of these cuts in order to achieve electoral victory in the 2026 midterms….”
I can remembe
r years ago when discussing the budget in Congress and Republicans wanting to make cuts or not increase spending , the democrats would say they are killing children and starving old people. The process was so egregious, I think everyone gave up.Well, now that the democrats have killed children and starved old people for the last 4 years, they have forfeited the right to be “concerned” about the plight of the American middle and working classes.
That won’t stop them from promoting the same talking points… nor will it stop them from attempting the “6 ways from Sunday” business.
They can try. That will keep them busy while the grown ups deal with the mess they caused.
This is now, not then.
NOW many know that welfare monies are getting into the hands of illegal aliens; that they are being housed in hotels with many perks and are bussed to formerly American jobs.
This is not the only fiscal debauchery that many Americans are aware of and angry about.
This is Trump utilizing momentum to get things under control because the People are awake and angry.
The best part is that government people are living in a bubble, not understanding that they have cried “Wolf!” too long utilizing the same Phrases and Causes. The Public is on to them, understanding that this is the sound of fraud and are not willing to stand for it any more.
“The coward dies a thousand deaths …”
So far, DOGE has been a stock market play.
Probably more accurate to say, “The democrats will HOPE TO wield the politics of these cuts in order to ATTEMPT TO achieve electoral victory in the 2026 midterms”.
If Trump pulls off the tasks he plans to accomplish during his first 2 years back in office, Democrats will have no hope in 2026.
what year is the first possible chance PDJT will have to VETO
His veto power begins the day he takes office in January.
can the CR be signed and done before he is sworn in
if thats the case, then he cant do it again until dec 2025 or Jan 2026.
maybe there is a method I am not seeing yet
All the DC kicking & screaming should be done by 11/26. With Musk’s X as the PR firm outlining trillions of wasted taxpayer money, it’s just as likely the GOP could make another run in 2026
I have been waiting for someone to outline what the Dept of Government Efficiency (DOGE) is all about.
Here is all you need to know:
Elon Musk Meets With Lawmakers About ‘DOGE’ Crusade Against Government Spending
As he left the meeting, Rep. Tim Burchett (R-Tenn.) [Liberty Score A 95%] offered a pessimistic take on the DOGE mission.
“If Congress doesn’t have the guts to do those things they’re talking real big about, it’s just a waste of time,” Burchett said.
Troll alert.
Cut the budget by an amount equal to the annual deficit plus 10% to begin paying down the debt.
The goal must NOT be balancing the budget in 10 years. It must begin NOW!
Well now, here’s just one more of the many “budget” conundrums to ponder.
According to the US Treasury our deficit in 2024 was $1.8 Trillion dollars. They cite that the federal Government in 2024 had revenue of $4.92 Trillion dollars and yet spent $6.75 Trillion dollars, hence the $1.83 Trillion dollar deficit.
But the conundrum comes in when one realizes the Treasury also shows that the Debt went up $2.3 Trillion dollars in fiscal 2024. That’s almost $500 Billion more than the 2024 $1.83 Trillion deficit. So we had $500 Billion(or $.5 Trillion) in off budget spending? If so, shouldn’t some Government agency or Congress explain and show exactly where the $500 Billion off budget went to?
And regardless of loopholes in declaring whether a spending item is on or off the budget, it still means that Congress appropriated/spent $6.75 Trillion plus $500 Billion = $7.25 trillion dollars.
Or is the $500 Billion difference between deficit and additional debt just a fiscal treasury sleight of hand magician’s accounting trick? Course, We The People, have to pay for the debt and interest on it regardless of how it is classified and the unexplained $500 Billion isn’t exactly chump change!
I don’t think your analysis of the budget process is correct. First there is supposed to be a “budget resolution” marked up by budget committees in each house. The concept was that the budget act would provide the top lines for both revenues and spending (both mandatory and discretionary). I would say these budget acts have never worked as envisioned. They have tended to divide into national security and non-national security top lines. IIRC the last budget was FY2022 S.Con.Res. 14. This created the framework for so-called “budget reconciliation” with the authorizing/appropriation committees, and the idea of a separate carve-out for spending on defense “overseas contingency operations” — OCO).
The authorizing committees are supposed to approve the programs laid out in the president’s budget request, then the appropriations committee is supposed to pass 12 bills for the discretionary spending. It’s correct that the policy of the Senate has been not to pass any of the 12 bills. Instead they rely on the “continuing resolution” process to force compromise. The actual appropriation is in the form of a variously termed “omnibus appropriations” or “consolidated appropriations” bill. Basically it packages all the outstanding appropriations bills as divisions of a single bill.
The way to analyze the appropriations acts is by comparing what is enacted to what was in the President’s budget. I often see “zero-based budgeting” put forth as some sort of magic elixer. I see this as a mistake. It creates a ton of useless paper justifying things that are going to be approved anyway, while diverting attention from the things that really need to be analyzed and debated.
Gaetz had better be a key player. I’ve been feeling jerked around by the guy even as I’ve supported him, so I’d like it to be for a good reason.
Interesting statement. Exactly how have you been “jerked around” by Gaetz?
I said I was feeling jerked around. Feeling.
Elon and Vivek are very quick studies.
I do contract work, working on the budget for medium size Mfg. Co. Have done similar work for 40 years. Yes baseline budgeting embeds inefficiency that’s already in the baseline. I’ve done baseline budgeting where you take the baseline, increase it for volume and price but unlike government we had a performance target. So current year spend+volume+price but – ‘performance’ target. The target was usually substantial, the individual budget line item could go up but just as likely go down. Management was responsible for development of initiatives to meet the performance target. It could be old fashioned cutting,
technology, waste reduction, more efficient organization. Bottom line in business if you aren’t improving you’re not going to be around.
https://www.beankinney.com/understanding-schedule-f-what-it-means-for-federal-employees-and-contractors/
Schedule F or a similar policy will give Trump and DOGE the abilities to discipline or fire federal employees. 🤩
I like it. 🕶️✝️🕶️
GREAT powers to have when used by true conservatives… but can backfire when leftists are once again fully in charge.
Hey Mr Negativity, give it a break. I’ve still got the Nov 5th winning bigly feeling and dont need a downer like you being Dr No every post
Dismantling
Outrageous
Government
Entities
Thanks Sundance!
Your explanation makes sense to me.
It is going to be Really interesting.
Imagining all the splodey heads that are
going to be happening 🤯🤯
Sunlight…. I am thinking lots of…Sunlight!
And Sunlight 🌞🌞 is the best disinfectant.
I remember when working for Fed and State
that there was always a push to order/buy
everything possible to use up all the budget
money…to make sure that we got at least the
same amount…and justify even more to be
budgeted for the next.
Always a push at the end of the fiscal year.
It’s a scam. And it needs to end.
On Friday, January 19, 2024, the President signed into law:
H.R. 2872, the “Further Additional Continuing Appropriations and Other Extensions Act, 2024,” which provides fiscal year 2024 appropriations to Federal agencies for continuing projects and activities funded in four of the 12 annual appropriations bills through March 1, 2024. For the remaining eight annual appropriations bills, the CR provides funding through March 8, 2024.https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/legislation/2024/01/19/press-release-bill-signed-h-r-2872/
January 19
“Use it or lose it”
Though there were create ways of getting around that (e.g., MIPRs).
I worked for a fed agency for a bit and I was absolutely disgusted by the year end push to spend spend spend the money! In this instance, they bought pallets of computers that they would never use…. but they would end up as “surplus” and then sold on for pennies on the dollar to those who “know”. Complete scam!
I got temporarily stuck with the job of placing invoices.
Just one example……and one of my pet peeves….and
best ha-ha😉😉
Toilet paper!🧻🧻
me…why are we ordering 1 ply tissue for bathrooms
for us plebes. And 2 ply for the “executive” staff bathroom.
And why does 1 ply cost more than 2 ply?
🤔 🤔 🤔
Contracts!!
Oops…. I didn’t know I shouldn’t order all 1 ply….
I ordered the 2 ply for everyone ..it was cheaper.
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 😉 😉 😉 😉 😉
Other than the why/how did this happen question…
no one complained! Who is going to complain about
having 2 ply toilet paper vs 1 ply toilet paper 🧻 ….
especially when it was cheaper.
It was definitely wake up call, learning experience.
The same thing seems to happen with budgets for things like snow removal, etc…. Winters with little snow SHOULD result in unused funds that could REDUCE the requirements in the next year. Instead, it seems that they run the snow equipment up and down the dry highways in no-or-little snow years, just to ‘burn’ the $$$. Then, of course, you see all those ‘extras’ standing with SLOW and STOP signs twirling, when the tech is already available to control traffic.
Given the timeline for budgets, I don’t expect massive cuts for the Feb deadline.
If I was in Trumps position, I would say that I will not sign any budget that is one penny more than last years. Call it a start, a spending freeze, call it a cut, I don’t care, I will veto any spending bill larger than last year. In the meantime, I expect Elon and Vivek to review everything they can for next year, and believe me, I will not be giving all of you an easy out with a simple budget freeze. If you can’t at least give me a budget right now same as last year, then you will not accomplish what I expect in the future, so, pet the DOGE or get bit.
The FEB deadline is not the true deadline Oct 1st of 2025 is the deadline. I believe that the present Omnibus spending package ends in late Jan I believe. That is where the battleground will take place.
The current “Continuing Resolution’ for fiscal 2025 ends this December 20th. I have not heard whether they will pass a whole omnibus package for the rest of 2025 or do another CR. And if another CR, I haven’t heard when it will expire.
” pet the DOGE or get bit.” I like it!
Best of luck:
“[Montesquieu wrote in Spirit of the Laws, VIII,c.12:] ‘When once a republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.'” –Thomas Jefferson: copied into his Commonplace Book.
“The time to guard against corruption and tyranny is before they shall have gotten hold of us. It is better to keep the wolf out of the fold, than to trust to drawing his teeth and talons after he shall have entered.” –Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XIII, 1782. ME 2:165
Excellent post,W.
“the visibility of the political BLAST that Musk can provide.”
I would like to see Vivek present all their findings in regular press conferences with specific examples, charts, graphs, and stories about how America is harmed. Take questions and produce this so that everyone understands and no one is left out of the scutiny.
GREAT IDEA! Can you get it to Vivek? Pictures say a thousand words…etc.
If I read this correctly:
CR/omnibus budgeting serves two purposes: preserving prior appropriations in perpetuity (i.e., no process to cut such spending under CRs/baseline budgeting); masking the itemized appropriations.
DOGE provides visibility to wasteful spending and the overall accumulated cost of the CR/baseline chicanery. The Prez can veto Congressionally approved budgets using this detailed analysis from DOGE to make the case.
It all boils down to the Republicans (in this scenario) making the roll calls such that at least greater than 1/3 of either chamber (House or Senate) votes not to over-ride a Presidential veto.
if it were up to me, I wouldnt pass a budget or a CR. I would say this is not America’s debt. this is the debt of those that voted for it. let them pay it back. and then id get popcorn and watch this evil POS govt burn down.
Sarah Palin should be there she sold a plane on E-bay
Dogecoin (DOGE) is a cryptocurrency created in December 2013 by Billy Markus and Jackson Palmer as a joke, based on the popular “Doge” meme featuring a Shiba Inu. It is known for its fun and friendly community, and while it started as a meme, it has gained popularity for various uses, including tipping and donations.
Dogecoin Markets Ignite: Elon Musk’s ‘Dogefather’ Memes Spark FOMO Frenzy
https://news.bitcoin.com/dogecoin-markets-ignite-elon-musks-dogefather-memes-spark-fomo-frenzy/
Dogecoin (DOGE) keeps climbing on Dec. 7, 2024, as technical data from its 1-hour, 4-hour, and daily charts point to persistent bullish energy. Adding to the buzz, interest has spiked thanks to DOGE-related posts shared by Elon Musk on X.
Hmmmm… Trying to tell us something?
On the pump and dump crypto scam:
Bitcoin has zero backing and zero intrinsic value, thus the price is 100% driven by speculation. You shills should examine just how emotional you are about the price of bitcoin and then how it has exactly zero fundamentals. Here’s ‘truth’ with more on Bitcoin:
Money doesn’t go into or out of bitcoin. it is a zero sum Ponzi scheme. Its ‘price’ is just a measure of how much wealth one wants to transfer to another person already playing in the game. When no one wants to play anymore its price will be zero and you can’t hang it on your wall, or feed your dog with it, or put it in a vase. It is the largest most extraordinary game of financial chicken the world has ever seen. The idea that there always will be a price greater than zero because it somehow has some intrinsic value is just wrong. So when the price of bitcoin goes to zero there will be no tidal wave of money coming out. It will just be a recognition that the wealth transfer is over and the folks holding the bag have nothing and it will not affect those already out of the game in the least. They will have already won.
Of course all the people playing the game or trying to be compensated for facilitating the game will create any sort of mechanism to promote the game. But that misses the point. The fundamental transaction is a transfer of wealth from someone not in the game to someone that is. All that transaction does is transfer some amount of real wealth from a non-player to a player so that the non-player is now a player and the previous player is out of the game. Tow much wealth was transferred to play is the price.
FAR too slow for widespread use:
Transactions Speeds: How Do Cryptocurrencies Stack Up To Visa or PayPal?
https://howmuch.net/articles/crypto-transaction-speeds-compared
NOT anonymous:
Is Cryptocurrency Anonymous? The Myth of Anonymity Debunked
https://www.ulam.io/blog/is-cryptocurrency-anonymous
Karl Denninger says digital currencies are all a scam
Jun 19th 2017
https://cryptorum.com/t/karl-denninger-says-digital-currencies-are-all-a-scam.217/
How to get rich: start your own cryptocurrency, mine a whole bunch of them while the mining is easy early on, then hope idiots buy them and they become popular, driving up the price just like tulip bulbs during the Tulip Mania. That’s the reason for this:
Crypto: The basics
https://www.fca.org.uk/investsmart/crypto-basics
As of early 2023, there were over 20,000 cryptos, many of which are no longer traded, and will never grow a significant market capitalisation (cap), a term used to measure the size of a certain crypto and its popularity, because they don’t have a unique selling point. Of the 20,000+, there’s probably a few you’ve heard of:
Finally, about the dream of bypassing government fiat currencies and digital currencies, governments worldwide have coercive controls over businesses within their countries via various means. If cryptocurrencies ever become a threat to the oligarchies preferred financial system, highly unlikely considering just the transaction time problem with blockchains, they will simply declare them “illegal tender.”
For now, their current benefits are to whale investors who pump and dump them, to major trading houses charging brokerage fees to speculators gambling with them and, their primary utility, use in illegal activities like ransomware operations charging as much as tens of millions of dollars for a single ransom.
I think also that btc and the myriad other of the 20,000 supposed “choices” of crypto coins, is to indoctrinate and inculcate into using – particularly to the digitally raised generations – so as to normalize them to fully accept CBDC’s ones soon to be issued by banks and/or government as the new “money”.
Once CBDC’s are in general mandatory use? There goes any remaining vestige of “privacy” in activity or purchase. A death knell for “freedom” as people bemoan daily, on this subject.
When it is said “btc has no intrinsic value, none”. That sums it up succinctly. A zero sum game of digital musical chairs, until the music stops – or electricity goes out. Some will be holding a worthless digital wallet.
Digital Ponzi Scheme 100%.
Congress should not be allowed to do anything each year until a budget and appropriation bills have been passed. That means absolutely nothing else. No other legislation. No research trips. No investigations. No hearings. No vacations. No meal breaks. No bathroom breaks. Absolutely nothing other than getting the budget and appropriation bills passed.
Hammer and Anvil.
Now, where’s that popcorn…?
Sundance as always thanks for laying all facts and details on all important issues.
[trusting the plan intensifies]
end the continuing resolution nonsense is all that is required firstly. return the budget to its Constitutional function and not a penny more.
That answers my question on how DOGE is going to cut government when congress continues to fund it. Thanks
This info might be on interest to CTH readers. I want to understand what occurred back in calendar 2008 on efforts to create a 2009 budget. 2008 was the last year of the GWB administration.
Senate leadership Reid – McConnell. House leadership Pelosi-Boehner.
The date of this posting is July 28, 2008. Very interesting that OMB Director Nussle states that Congress is already talking about using the CR process….
Press Briefing by Director of the Office of Management and Budget Jim Nussle and Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers Dr. Ed Lazear on the Mid-Session Review
Room 350
Eisenhower Executive Office Building
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/07/20080728-7.html