Regarding the handling of ‘classified documents’ Special Counsel Robert Hur testified today that President Trump and Vice-President Biden had identical outcomes. However, whereas Donald Trump is cognitively normal, Joe Biden is suffering from a diminished mental state, frequent confusion and absent remembering. Therefore, the elements needed for “intent” in the criminal statute did not apply to Biden.
Donald Trump is fine; Joe Biden has lost his marbles. According to prosecutor Robert Hur, that explains why there are two tiers of justice amid an identical set of infractions. As a consequence, the American people are expected to be okay with the reasoning for a DOJ double-standard. WATCH:
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The full hearing video is below, but the essential element is just repeated. (1) Biden lied or could not remember on purpose; and (2) there are two tiers of justice, and the DOJ is prepared to defend their non-prosecution decision based entirely on cognitive “intent.”
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The cases are not identical as Biden was not president, Trump was and had legal authority to do what he did.
The perfect comment regarding Hur’s statement …
Your statement is a point of fact that is left out of ALL the comparisons between JoeBama Biden’s actions as VP and President Trump’s actions while he was in office as the chief Executive … a lie told by the media, Uni-Party and Government Investigators. The pretending is great with these people.
The comparison is a purposely made LIE by omission … a large portion, I will say large majority, of People DO NOT pick up on the lie and ASSUME (at the Ass out of you and me level) the comparison is alluding to a “serving” President to President level comparison. This illusion is necessary for the “equal justice, nobody is above the law strategy” to work image wise.
That is impossible to translate into Bidenese.
We can thank Bill Clinton for that precedent. The “sock drawer” documents, when he was moving out of the White House he took some classified documents that were in his sock drawer. A court determined that he was the president, the president is the plenary classification authority, and therefore the act of placing the documents in his sock drawer and taking them out of the White House de facto de-classified them.
Not so with Sandy Berger, who during the Bush administration stole classified Clinton Administration documents from the National Archives by stuffing them down his pants. Speculation is he was acting on behalf of former president Clinton, to disappear something embarrassing. Berger received the customary Deep State slap on the wrist for his actions. His excuse, which beggars belief, is he inadvertently stuffed the papers down the front of his pants and completely forgot about them when he left the building. The documents were never seen again.
To make the parallel: President Trump taking the documents is equivalent to Clinton’s actions. Biden taking the documents is equivalent to Sandy Berger.
Another point IMO being totally ignored is this. My understanding is that, a large poirtion of the Classified Dx President Trump is charged with possessing. Detail the corruption of the FBLie, during the Steele Dossier/Russia Hoax/Wire Tapping, not, the secrets of U.S. nuclear submarines, or our ICBM missile capabilities. As the Talking Heads would have us believe.
Of course we will never know for certain, given that whatever was confiscated by the FBLie at Mar-a-Lago, has of course been thoroughly scrubbed, to the point that it’s now unrecognizable…
In anticipation of a Trump Landslide in November, the beltway will soon be clogged with U-HAUL rentals as the Rats flee their Sinking Ship…
Biden mishandled top secret information as a Senator, VP and a private citizen, none of whom are covered under the Presidential Records Act. But it helped him get an $8 million book deal!
As we all know … “book deals” are just another money laundering scheme. A vehicle to funnel payoffs to a politician directly.
Unfortunately a meaningless statement as long as the judiciary is corrupt.
I was about to make exactly this point. Biden committed a crime; trump did not.
Now Hur is a medical doctor or maybe he consulted with Doctor Comey who examined Hillary Clinton and opined no prosecutor would be willing to pursue [her] matter. Is Hur ignoring the fact the White House Physician to the president issued Biden a clean bill of health? And in Hillary’s case, I have heard many a federal prosecutor indicate they would have taken the case. Most American voters have caught on.
You are making the mistake that any form of legal logic is taking place. This dictatorship regime just does whatever they want and rub our noses in it.
Hur consulted with AG Merrick Garland, who told him under no circumstances would he charge Biden. My suspicion is Hur was was unhappy so he torpedoed Biden in his report, saying yes he did it but isn’t mentally competent to stand trial.
Even more likely, Hur was directed to torpedo Biden by the Obama machine. Just another in the death of a thousand cuts Teh One is inflicting now that the corpse of his former VP is no longer a useful avatar in the Oval Office.
Hur could have brought in an independent psychologist, neurologist or psychiatrist to give Biden a mental acuity test, but Dr. Hur decided that he could make that diagnosis himself, allowing the Democrats to pounce!
Just like the hitlary server et al.
What do you have to do to be charged…Mr Hur if deleting evidence does not rise to that statute! Well Patriots…..you must be MAGA supporters! Then….even if you do not delete evidence or even if you are not guilty of anything…..we, the DOJ will come after you for being in disagreement with us on our policies! Being a Patriot….a Conservative….a true American…..is all the evidence they need! If you can do what Hillary did with 33,000 e mails after being subpoenaed…and nothing happens to you……..you obviously are working for….those in charge! Thiis is the year……this is the final battle…..this could be the last election! We must fight, we must vote, we must win! MAGA 2024 and DJT for President!
Your candidate is only going to “win” in November if you can manufacture more fake ballots than they do, and if you stand with loaded guns in the counting room forcing those fake ballots to be counted along with all the other fakes. And then, you can somehow force a database administrator in some cubicle, somewhere, not to issue an SQL UPDATE query . . .
Otherwise – just as in 2020 and 2022 – we will choose who “wins.” Because, in four long years, you actually did not do anything to stop us.
I noticed the color change in Hur’s face when Gaetz was speaking to him. Hur’s face was flushed because he was Angry? Guilty? Embarrassed? Ashamed? The whole process of Hur’s investigation was a sham. Shame on him!!!
IMO Hur has lost any good reputation he ever had by not delivering a true JUST result for Biden’s multiple Top Secret document crime. Ludicrous. Whenever and if ever Hur’s name appears again, I will remember his cowardice and incompetence!! He insulted the American people by not doing his solemn job.
Joe Biden is a deviant and evil man. I now believe Biden KNEW what he was doing by making car noises and telling random off topic stories during those interviews!!!!!! Don’t kid yourself. Hur wasn’t smart enough to see through all of that?!!? Good grief.
I see a scary stone cold face void of any emotion. If that is ice cream face’s handler, I would sleep with one eye open, and perhaps even act like I have less marbles than the ones I barely have left.
I made that point earlier in a post. Joe Biden is cunningly clever. He is very capable at playing people games, he been doing it all his life.
You do not need to do more, you are doing great. The insight you provide is invaluable.
Sundance, although I can’t quite remember what you wrote in your post script it was/will be/maybe received with, ah, um, well, thank you I think aurgcha. Icecream.
Sundance, that post script provided me a sunami of relief. Thank you, friend.
Was Bidumb president? Did President Trump have documents in seven different locations? The smoke they blow up my pants leg is already cold! Is there a loop hole for senators and vp’s to keep and use classified document?
Actually they are urinating on you and try to convince you it’s raining.
The whole goddam world would be “ROTFLMAO” at us – if only it were funny.
Here we have the refusal to prosecute one person for obvious crimes, because today he is “demented.” And yet, somehow he is “fit to be President.” He committed those crimes back when he did know what he was doing – when he did know that what he was doing was illegal – yet we prosecute another man for doing what was not, for him, illegal.
“Orange Man Bad™” only goes so far.
Just as with “J6” – you are guilty if we say you are, and not guilty if we say you are. “The Law™ is a weapon,” to be selectively used against whomever we choose. Welcome to the United States of Banana.
Another well scripted hearing whose sole purpose is to deceive the people. Signs of a failed government that has no accountability.
LOL, “Intent.” The Hillary Clinton DC get-out-of-jail defense. “But officer, I didn’t intend to drive my Audi S5 130 mph.” Officer responds, “Out of the car, copper top! You’re only alive to feed The Government Matrix. You can explain that to the judge when he fines you into oblivion.”
So the “I can’t remember” works for thee but not for me.. why do I feel insulted..? Asking for one of my stupid cousins..
The Biden/Trump circumstances are not identical. Biden, as VP and Senator, routinely removed documents that had not been classified to unsecured places. Trump as president with the unique, sole authority to declassify documents, removed documents he’d declassified to secured places. Never forget this distinction.
Biden’s actions are more similar to Clinton’s. Their arrogance is startling. And of course the common thread is that democrat DOJs refused to prosecute them while, for example, sending a Navy PO to prison for five years for taking home for the weekend a classified folder.
Intent is bunk!
I truly fear that if “The Law™ ” becomes much more abused, average people will start to ignore it.
I have met and ‘known’ many, many people throughout my 88+ years. I cannot place an “average” description on any of them. Each one of us is very definitely “distinctive”. We should keep that in mind.
One might assume the Biden did not have mental issues when he took the docs.
Since Biden’s prosecution hinges upon his mental competency, then the key question they should have put to Hur is, “If it can be determined that President Biden is mentally competent and not mentally compromised, then would you recommend prosecution?” If yes, then call a vote by Congress to determine whether President Biden is mentally competent.
And the BIG question now must be, WHAT is Congress going to do about this? It is CLEARLY evident that absolute bias was used here. We have a republican House investigating this, WHEN do we move for referral of Prosecutions?
And to you.
anyone with an IQ = room temp can see that this is not how the law works…. we haven’t been governed by the Rule of Law since the geriatric puppet was installed.
Long, long prior to that point in time. History is full of examples of a two, or even more, tiered system.
Thank you for what you are doing Sundance. I am always anxiously awaiting any word you have to share with us!
Intent…that magical farcical notion Comey made popular for the Marxist Democrats.
SCOTUS should have squashed that years ago.
Hur has made it 100% clear that Biden is guilty not only of serial reckless handling of classified material, but of intentionally exploiting same for financial and reputational gain.
I don’t want to give Biden a break, but Hur’s rationale for not charging Biden derives from the ethics of prosecutoral decisions. Prosecutors should not proceed with cases they believe cannot be won. We all know that Biden is extremely convincing when playing the role of mindless dotard. We all know that a jury of DC Democrats wouldn’t convict a Democrat President under any circumstances; the dementia card provides the justification to make them feel good about it. Hur’s decision fits “ethical norms”, but leaves Democrat Presidents “above the law” — and they know it.
There is no pretending away the double standard vis-a-vis Trump. We no longer have the rule of law in the US, and the question is what do we do about it?
Charge him in Pennsylvania. There were docs there.
Obviously Hur is a good play actor.
Hur is ‘with her’ as much as any Dem supporter.
Laws and rational thinking mean nothing in a certified banana republic. Sad, very sad.
mBiden was presumably sane when he did the multiple crimes. Does a urderer get off because he is not apprehended until years later when he has become “forgetful”? Sounds like a clever backdoor for all sorts of criminal activity.
Not sure everyone noticed but the democrats have been gleefully saying “see, state of the union JoeBiden is just fine”. Well, that kind of takes away the reason SlowJoe has not been indicted.
In the hearing democrats tried to get around this catch 22 by falsely claiming, with Hur disagreeing, that Joe committed no crimes or was “exonerated”. Unfortunately some democrats didn’t get the memo and kept trying to criticize Hur for calling out Joe on his mental issues.
This issue should be front and center all the way to election day with comments like ” If Joe can run he must be indicted”. “A vote for Joe is a vote for indictment” After all, if he is capable of campaigning and being President, isn’t he lucid enough to stand trial? If he is too far gone to stand trial, doesn’t that make him immune to any wrongdoing? Could he order Seal Team Six to murder his opponents and get away with it because “he didn’t know what he was doing” You gonna vote for that?
m.m. The ‘Plan’ is “We don’t run Biden”.
I worked in signals intelligence for the Air Force. We were briefed a couple times a year on the law regarding mishandling of classified materials. It absolutely does not contain an intent clause. Hur should prefer charges and let the court decide Bidens competency.
Generally, it is the defendant’s “intent” at the time of the alleged criminal act that matters, not his “intent” when he is being investigated. The fact that his is now confused and addled does not negate the crime. I had thought the prosecutor had originally said that he had concerns that a jury would convict a man as mentally compromised as Biden. A very different deal.
Since when does “intent” have anything to do with this? You either did or you didn’t. Your intent is moot.
You are correct. “Intent” is now a new legal standard for some criminals.
Sadly when Director Comey and the DoJ was allowed to let Hillary Clinton’s Server Crimes slide based on “intent” the inclusion of “intent” is crimes committed by the right specific people started. The Courts even got on board with the “intent standard” soon afterward.
Bottom line from … The US DoJ, Investigator Hur and Uni-Party Congressional Committee Members …
IGNORE the fact the Senator and VP Biden was NOT LEGALLY AUTHORIZED to remove and improperly store classified materials.
IGNORE the fact that during each year of his tenure in the US Government, a “cognizant” Joe Biden took mandatory training and signed an acknowledgement of understanding of that training for the handling and storage of classified documents.
IGNORE ALL the physical evidence of illegally as well as purposely removed and improperly stored classified materials.
IGNORE ALL the provable intentional actions, to remove and hide classified materials illegally.
The only evidence that matters is that a mentally deficient Joe Biden can’t remember anything today … so nobody can say what he intended with all the ignored evidence.
These documents date from Biden senate days, when his mental state was normal, even if his IQ was abnormally low. Ergo, his current mental state is irrelevant to his state of mind when these violations were committed over a long span of years.
When I served in intelligence we were reminded documents removed from our secured area would result in a 5 year sentence and 50,000 fine for each violation. This just reinforces that the punishment is graduated according to your level of power.
Such a ridiculous excuse. They know it is. We know it is. They know we know it is. We know they know we know it is. But they’ll stick with it and in smugness, say to us, “Whatcha gonna do about it?”
Hur testified that he could not prevail in D.C. Would he have prevailed if the case was brought elsewhere?
I want truth not spin. Here is what Hur should have said. “Look, you bozos, we have two systems of justice. One for Democrats, one for Republicans. I was appointed to absolve Biden and protect him from indictment. The boss didn’t tell me HOW to do it, only TO do it. I did it. The senile s.o.b. got away with stealing classified documents and hanging on to them for Lord only knows how many years and divulging the contents to his ghost writer. So shut the hell up, will ya.
I sat on my old 1985 stationary bike and peddled away while watching this waste of money. I can’t remember the name of the Ukrainian lady, but she was the only person who showed any sincere interest in calling out the truth.
Well, biden was a VP where Trump was the President. Also, at the time biden absconded with the documents he wasn’t legally entitled to take, he was not cognitively impaired. Lot’s of differences between these two. Everyone seems to be leaving these facts out…
Why didn’t Mr Hur just point out that (President) Biden cannot be indicted until he is impeached and removed from office?
(I used parentheses for personal reasons/beliefs, FBI Guys)
Why didn’t Gaetz ask Herr what his qualifications are to determine Joe’s mental state and his mental state when he stole from our country and committed these treasonous acts?
Whitey Bulger stood trial for his crimes, corrupt Joe Biden can also.
Joe was not demented when committing an act he had no right to do. Trump had every right to the materials he had.
Isn’t it intent at the time of the crime
The intent angle is a smoke screen. It is about Biden’s cognitive awareness at the time of the offence, not the time of the questioning. Biden had intent because he knew he had no right to have them. He also read content to his biographer, as a loophole to actually letting him see the classified content. This shows a complete understanding of his wrongdoing.
There is no qualifier of “intent” in the statute.
You are just one person, Sundance. I am content for you to follow God’s leading.
I’m not sure how you get it all done so I’m assuming you are drawing on His Spirit.
I consider my monthly tiny mite contribution very well spent.
This “stuff” *isses me off to no end.
Those of us who held clearances and recall the paperwork we signed – there are no qualifiers for “intent”. Over the course of a career those of us in this classified world all know someone roasted over the coals for mishandling classified material.
Comey set this all in gear.
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Biden was VP until January 2017. Any documents he took prior to that were taken illegally. Exactly what does his current mental acuity have to do with what it was back in 2017? What does his intent back in 2017 have to do with his current mental acuity? He should be prosecuted based on his intent and his mental acuity back in 2017. If he committed murder back then, wouldn’t he be prosecuted even today? Judging from his SOTU address the other day, he’s still the same jerk he was back in 2017!
He can’t be charged because he’s to addled but he can lead our great nation as he destroys it