Shortly before RFK Jr stated that he would be announcing a run for president as an independent candidate, he appeared on a podcast to discuss the possibility of leaving the Democrat ticket. {Rumble Link Here} Mr Kennedy said his campaign had done research on the impact to the 2024 race if he ran as an independent.
Within the interview RFK Jr shares that his private polling reveals he takes more votes from Donald Trump than he does from Joe Biden. Thus, having seeded the background for favorable republican support, running as an independent now becomes the most effective way to stop Trump. WATCH:
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In case you are coming in late to this story, what RFK Jr outlines is exactly what I shared earlier. {Go Deep}
With his son’s wife working for the CIA, the strategic influence operation becomes much easier. The principal doesn’t need to be an active participant in the op in order to benefit the goal. RFK Jr sees his impact against Donald Trump in 2024 as a net positive. There’s the justification in a nutshell.
…”Reset your reference point to the baseline where the intelligence operatives do not want you to be. When someone starts asking the question about RFK Jr. taking votes from Biden, stop them immediately. Joe Biden will not be the nominee. With Gavin Newsom as the DNC candidate coming out of Chicago, what does RFK Jr. do to THAT contest with Trump? That’s the question.
You all know the answer.
This is an op.” (more)
This is all about stopping Donald Trump.
{GO DEEP on The Agenda}
“Admits”, or “claims”?
Because I don’t believe he takes more votes from Trump than from Biden.
There is always the thought that he makes the claim to make his independent candidacy less troublesome to rank and file democrats.
That is what I think. He is simply playing the political game here. Vote for me democrat because it will not hurt the party candidate.
How can a vote for RFK Jr Independent not hurt the democrat party candidate. RFK Jr has no chance of winning and a vote for him is not a vote for the democrat candidate. So, it’s one less vote Trump needs to win than if the vote had gone to the democrat candidate.
And with regard to never trumpers, if they really want to deny Trump the presidency, why would they vote for RFK Jr who has no chance of winning; same effect as not voting at all, Trump still needs the same number of votes to win. If instead a never trumper votes directly for the democrat candidate, it causes Trump to need one more vote to win.
I don’t believe your analysis is based on the correct assumptions. First, Trump World is not-in any way- in the market for a change, and never Trumpers are but a minute slice of Republicans who represent mostly disgruntled political professionals who-either as hired operatives or media pundits- have griffted off the prior Republican Party system. Ergo, their influence will not be decisive in 2024.
Next comes the Democrat Party: Its voters are also not in the market for a change because their membership has worked very successfully to give these ‘gimme, gimme’ voters exactly what they want and need, i.e,. large amounts of other taxpayers’ money while limiting said ‘gimme, gimme’ voters’ own tax liability to nearly ZERO.
Moreover, in order for such voters to determine what RFK Jr is actually offering them by way of a better standard of living, they would be confronted with a complicated calculus of trade-off’s that ‘gimme, gimme’ voters are just not accustomed to making, much like shoppers who are presented with complex facts and are forced to analyze pro’s and con’s among various purchase options. This modus operandi is simply not in their ken!
The last and most important group in this particular analysis are the unaffiliated, uninvolved, uninformed, lackadaisical Americans who DO VOTE only because they fancy themselves knowledgeable, intelligent voters on the grounds that they consume legacy media reports while driving or watching TV, or subscribe to periodicals or they have read an autobiography or two written by left-leaning figures.
IT WILL BE IN REGARD TO THIS IMPORTANT GROUP OF VOTERS THAT RFK JR WILL EMERGE A MAJOR, AND POSSIBLY DECISIVE FACTOR because these independent voters would likely cross over, maybe for the first time in their lives, to vote (holding their snobbish noses!) for a Republican candidate IN A HEAD-TO-HEAD MATCH WITH THE WORST PRESIDENT IN OUR NATION’S HISTORY.
Again, this very important, special group would ordinarily be spurred to vote against Biden and Dems for multifarious and legitimate reasons including lockdowns, vaccines, inflation, urban blight, schools, crime, etc., all categories in which Joe Biden scores straight F’s.
Last but not least, RFK Jr gives these self-centered, uninformed, snobbish, prideful voters an opportunity to maintain their hoity-toity social standing with the people they seek to impress the most, the very people they know would cut them off if they knew they had ‘consorted with the enemy’ and stooped to vote for Donald Trump who – not ironically given the insfufferable pretensions of this class of voter- will ultimately be considered one of this nation’s greatest, and most pivotal presidents.
THIS, MY FRIENDS, IS THE GROUP THAT WILL DECIDE IF THIS NATION SURVIVES AS A FREE, ANTI-COMMUNIST NATION.
PS This predicament is akin to being told that an emergency surgery will have to be performed by a student surgeon because the scheduled physician had a fatal car accident on the way to the hospital.
So, will we be feeling lucky come Nov. 5, 2024??
How Kennedy poses for the gimme democrats will be interesting. So will it interesting be for the rinos and trump-hating demos, who are they gonna vote for?
Will blacks and Latinos stay strong for the demo candidate, or continue to flock to to Trump?. Biden won’t be a candidate, nor will Harris. But will Newsom run? Methinks no, he’s too much a wimp.
In my Grassy Knoll Nightmare Scene, there will be back room convention maneuvering by the demos, and the candidate they choose in the aftermath might be Michelle/Michael Obama. that’s when things get really weird.
There would have to be some revelation about Obama, as there are too many voters in the know, but he/she would probably be the dems’ best shot…if nobody seriously brings up what’s under that dress.
And, I wouldn’t put it past the demonazis for pulling another stunt out of their bag of nasty cheats.
Or we could just decide to have no election at all, because all heck has broken loose.
cannot beat Trump!!!
BS. We’re you around for November 2020 or were you and whatg happened missed your attention? And certainly not legitimately let alone coupled with a significant component of low info normie DOPES claiming the Right to vote. Based on a simple question which country would you rather live in despite the abundant and yet building evidence of 2020’s corruption though for this one exclusive of it: 1. A country so punch drunk which actually did give Biden 81M votes or 2. One in which the corruption is so per vasive and embedded allowed it to happened with the acquiescence of both political parties with republicans actually more culpable. Virtually nothing has been done to prevent a repeat of 2020. Case in point as revealed last month by Jim Hoft and by the way even a acknowledged by Michigan’s rabid marxist lipstick lesbian Dana Nessel – now “referred to the FBI” so this is the end of it: https://www.westernjournal.com/confirmed-employee-democrat-funded-group-submitted-clearly-fraudulent-voter-registrations-hidden-massive-batch-2020-election/about.
Now go to a site like Ballotopedia and find who controlled the five (5) “swing” states that were either exacta and/or trifecta states (republican governors, state senates, state house in: GA., AZ., PA (specifically ACT 77), WI., MI., MI. I left out Nevada where neo-marxists and their captive unions in Clark County (Las Vegas) have 73.7% of the state’s population (2020).
And of course also covered here 4 weeks ago: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/08/31/michigan-voter-fraud-more-widespread-than-previously-realized-attorney-general-dana-nessel-and-fbi-burying-explosive-issue/
I agree. Bernie to Trump voter here. Very aware that if both RFK and Trump occupy the “anti-establishment” lane, only Trump has a chance to beat the dem candidate. Logic is simple, regardless of what I think of RFK. Disaffected dems who are never-Trump may vote RFK, but would otherwise stay home so it’s a wash. I’d venture to say it’s very, very unlikely that any liberal who paid attention enough to swing over to Trump isn’t going back.
At 52 mins RFK starts talking about democrat party, and openly talks about how the primary was rigged against Bernie. So far this has been a litmus test on whether a lib is under control. Dems aren’t allowed to talk about the rigged primary. Even Bernie never talked about it after he fell in line for Clinton. A possible data point that he’s not selected for an op to attract MAGA voters – because they don’t care as much about the dem primary so no need for RFK to go off the reservation on that. It’s how you prove your cred to the disaffected left.
At 1:02:45 he starts talking about an independent run. At 1:04 he addresses the question of whether he could win a general, and RFK says polls show Biden would beat him among dems but that he could pull some republicans. At about 1:04 he’s asked about whether an independent run would help Trump – first he says if dems rig the primary and he goes indie, it’s their fault. Then at about 1:05:40 he makes the comment about taking more votes from Trump anyway. He just asserts it, doesn’t directly cite a poll. Honestly, it’s what *any* candidate would say trying to still appeal to his own side. Any independent from either side would take the posture at this point.
I hope I’m not wrong. More likely would be that Biden gets replaced as candidate, and RFK (after drawing all the never-Trump disaffected libs to his cause) turns around and endorses the replacement. If It’s Michelle Obama, the pressure would be immense because of identity politics, and he is still a lefty. That to me seems like a more likely op.
But Bobby does.
Of COURSE he takes more votes from Trump than Biden.
Biden has about 8 million supporters and they were the the ones that were rigging the election. Trump has close to 130 million with many being stolen away in 2020.
Biden will NOT be the nominee.
Don’t get that at all – unless he drops dead before. He’s actually perfect to be nominated yet again especially coupled with a significant quantity of low-info voting normie DOPES claiming the Right to vote.
Biden is… Demented; marxist malleable in the extreme; corrupt in the extreme; a serial liar and life long plagiarist; zero mastery of economics, free market capitalism and currency flow, let alone the ramifications of now in excess of over $33T debt excluding unfunded entitlements none of which at this point can BE paid back; zero understanding of how to conduct foreign policy or the basis for nor of it; strong evidence of sexual deviancy and outright support of it; has since 2020 January taken every single opportunity to help the mortal enemies of this Country the CCP, Iran and its surrogates, Pakistan, and others; with his surrogates interferes in the elections of Israel and their duly elected Likud Party and Netanyahu’s effort to halt Israel’s tyrannical judiciary; has via damnable lies, race baiting, and deceit divided this country even in excess of even the Muzloid with constant pandering to predominantly ignorant blax and any others he can bait; demonstrates a visceral hatred for the backbone of Western Civilization itself – the American Heartland; has through Mayorkas destroyed BOTH the the sovereign southern and northern borders for NO OTHER REASON than to completely dilute the votes of American Citizens with those who have no respect for us because their “host” has even less and who will not even fight for their own countries… and bond them to the neo-marxist democrat regime. Reagan stated “Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” We lost it in less than twelve (12) months. PERFECT. Get it?
Lived experience (my own) proves truer words have rarely been spoken…
“Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people” – attributed to Mencken
“No man ever went broke overestimating the ignorance of the American public” – attributed to Phineas Barnum
“The best argument against [democracy] is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” – originally attributed to Churchill though sometimes disputed. As applied to America we’re a Republic (Thank God) vs. a democracy
I don’t know, but my instincts say that 20% of Republicans are Trump haters who will do anything to stop him. Is it enough to swing the election to Newsome? I think it is.
Baris is saying RFK is taking much away from Trump in the midwest and south. RFK is there just to stop Trump.
I can agree with Sundance but also note that if he takes 50,000 votes from Biden and 500,000 from Trump that wouldn’t hurt Trump, but probably takes all of Biden’s votes….
If the election is free, fair, and transparent, I don’t believe it will matter at all.
I don’t either.
Who expects a demoncrap to be anything but a demoncrap regardless of what they call themselves?
I don’t believe for a second that RFK Jr. is a psyop. If he was, Biden wouldn’t be denying him Secret Service protection. On another note, if RFK Jr. is projected to take more votes from Trump than from Biden it’s because he’s been saying things about the Deep State that many of us want to hear from Trump, but thus far have not.
The solution? Trump needs to intensify his rhetoric, and start forming alliances with anti-establishmentarians across the board. All who oppose Deep State tyranny and seek to replace it with liberty are welcome into the ranks, ideological differences beyond this issue comes a distant second.
If I’m not mistaken, Trump coined the phrase Deep State and has trolled them for years.
You are mistaken. The term “deep state” has been around since the 1990s. It was originally used to describe the military establishment in Turkey, but it didn’t become mainstream until Trump started using it.
Now that I think about it, there’s a high probability that Trump got the idea to use the term from watching coverage of the 2016 coup attempt in Turkey, where Erdogan and his supporters frequently used the term to describe the coup plotters.
RFK Jr. as you say is familiar with the Deep State. However, my question, is he part of a controlled opposition group? (watch to the end)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/rt8NaxyQyuvV/
If you just did a simple Internet search, you’d find all the years Trump has been railing about the evil Deep State….
https://www.google.com/search?q=trump%27s+comments+on+deep+state&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS988US988&oq=trump%27s+comments+on+deep+state&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDU1MTBqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
I didn’t say Trump isn’t saying anything about the Deep State. I said he’s holding back on the rhetoric. For example, I don’t recall him ever claiming that the JFK assassination was an inside job.
Uh-huh.
What you claimed:
On another note, if RFK Jr. is projected to take more votes from Trump than from Biden it’s because he’s been saying things about the Deep State that many of us want to hear from Trump, but thus far have not.
RFK on assassination:
“We will never know for sure until these documents are made public in full,” a spokesperson for Robert F. Kennedy Jr. told Newsweek. “After 60 years, there are no national security concerns. The American people deserve to know their own history.”
Trump on the assassination:
“When I return to the White House, I will declassify and unseal all JFK assassination-related documents,” Trump wrote. “It’s been 60 years, time for the American people to know the TRUTH!”
Sounds like the same exact thing to me….
RFK is outright stating that the CIA did it. Trump isn’t.
You’re reaching if you think RFK Jr is in this to stop Trump. He’s in it to win. That’s his “justification.” You can slant the story but not the reality.
Yeah, right.
If he was in to win, then why not just run as a Democrat, because Bribem is either not going to run at all, or will get his ass handed to him in a two way race? And Bobby socks should easily be able to beat Bribem in a primary.
Answer – splitter just like SD states.
BTW, how many times has Bobby stumped for or endorsed the Clinton’s?
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Folks don’t be misled as we’ve seen this uni-party shell game before. It’s the try to revive the old nostalgia and facade of the Democrat Party as being the compassionate party of the people and not the controlling rabid totalitarians that they actually are. That said, note that talk is cheap and always bends a gullible uninformed ear including the associated respective vote. Just remember some of the more notable pawns that have crossed the political landscape to deceive the electorate. The likes of Joe Lieberman, Bernie Sanders, Joe Manchin and now RFK, Jr. Oh, and they do raise their voices spewing a message of hope and freedom contrary to the misery being inflicted by the dictates and policies of their Democrat Party. However, at the end of day always remember that each and everyone of these individuals caucused with their fellow Democrats and consistently voted down the party line. In closing, there is no such thing as an independent and the operational apparatus of our two political parties is in the uni-party building. The bottom line is that the only actual choices on the table are oppression or freedom and that DJT/MAGA represent the only path to the latter.
Very happy you brought up Lieberman, for it was he who, in the shadows of the fallen Twin Towers, chose to outflank Bush on his right by pounding hard for the creation of a Homeland Security Department and TSA et. al.
I know Dems were anxious to outflank Bush on his right after 911 (who could forget Hillary’s “connect the dots” rants? etc), having already seen Bush hold on to a 70 percent favorability rating for two years, and then seeing him buck the odds to win midterms in 2002. Dems now became rabid, bloodthirsty hawks to save their political skins.
Yet, it seems odd that the notion of a Home Land Security department, with all its possible misuses could have been presented, debated, and passed so quickly unless Dems had already had a longstanding goal to institute one and for all the wrong reasons.
Home Land Security certainly gave Dems a chance to insert all their new woke personnel in a field where a conservatives had once dominated. There was also TSA, another chance to insert more woke personnel.
Then Lieberman virtually disappeared.
In retrospect, the Oklahoma Federal Building bombing that saved Clinton’s presidency after the HillaryCare fiasco and the 1994 wipe-out, and then the Columbine School shooting, which ultimately flipped Colorado blue by virtue of anti-gun activism, was also successful in buttressing Dems in 1998 midterms to support a Gore presidency, and then mere months after Clinton left office, 911 occurred.
For me, while studying the reasons behind events, I adhere to MY OWN MAXIM, i.e., FUNCTIONALITY EQUALS PURPOSE. In other words, to judge an event as either random or pre-determined, you analyze its FUNCTIONALITY, and if this functionality seems only too ordered and coordinated, then that is its purpose. When functionality equals purpose, the event is not likely random.
The events listed above all had an obvious functionality, hence their purpose is revealed by their functionality, which also establishes very long odds on their not having been pre-determined.
So true. The uni-party (RINOs, Democrats plus all heir ilk and spin offs) will lie, cheat, steal, ignore/brake the law, trample on the Constitution including our guaranteed freedoms/personal rights and even take part in/or facilitate heinous felonies to secure their place at the globalist power and money laundering feeding trough.
Meh. There’s a long way to the general election. We’ll see how many voters are still fooled by the Climate Nazi by then. By the time Sundance and MAGA are done with him, it will only be the Evan McMuffin voters who vote for Silver Spoon Kennedy.
^^^^^^
Makes sense. Splits the idiot vote.
I doubt that, actually. He’s taking Joe Biden voters who are saying they’ll go for Trump at this point, all of which is just big talk on their part. Kennedy gives them a dem alternative.
Agree. I went Bernie to Trump and won’t go back, if only because Trump can win and RFK can’t. Meaning RFK will only get pissed off libs who are never-Trump, and would otherwise stay home or even hold their noses for the dem. At this point, being truly “anti-establishment” means realizing the depravity of the democrat apparatus and we former democrats who see it aren’t abandoning Trump.
I agree. I doubt many Repub’s would go RFK just on his idiotic economy crippling stance on green energy.
FJB is not going to be the candidate.
Could be disinformation. Trump being up 10pts. in ABC poll was also disinformation, and there will be more to come because 2024 will, like all elections in the last 25 years, be razor thin. THEN all those little bits a disinformation mean a world of difference.
After watching the video from(and shortly before) the queued up point to the end of the interview I feel compelled to note, that several folks I know up here in Michigan whom I would normally consider conservative republicans have voiced that they could possibly find themselves voting for RFK jr. if he was an option….this is my first comment, but I am a long reader, so please don’t pummel me, I just wanted to share some feedback that I have personally seen. I don’t know if others here have experienced the same thing.
They sound like the kind of people who supported DeSantis at first. Once they learn enough about the candidate they’ll come to their senses. The key to the globalists agenda is the Climate Scam which will enable them to control everything. RFK is 100% on board with the Climate Scam. He is a fraud.
I don’t disagree your assessment of RFK, don’t know if you saw his interview with Joe Rogan.
A few people I know saw that and said he came across down to earth & likeable. He does seem to push the talking point about the Biden administration not providing him with secret service protection, wonder if that is a ploy to show that he is Joe’s arch enemy or something.
RFK is controlled opposition. If he took away votes from Biden they would bribe/cajole him into supporting Biden as Bernie supported Shillery.
What this is really saying is, the Bobby Kennedy Democrats no longer have a place to call home because their own party now rejects them.
I don’t think I believe this. I don’t think most Trump supporters would vote for anyone but Trump. I think a vast majority of Biden voters would rather vote for someone other than Biden if that “someone” emerged. I think that most people who would vote for Kennedy would have likely either voted for Biden or skipped voting altogether.
Problem is, 20% of Republicans are not Trump voters. RFK Jr. can pull the independents and Republicans that Trump needs.
Stupid people should have the freedom to reap the rewards of their own stupidity, just like this guy…..
Have you asked yourself why?
Most dems would rather have $10 a gallon gas, communism, and starving multi-gendered children than Trump back in office. There is a large percentage of brainwashed mutants out there. I was visiting relatives and saw the mind-numbing brainwashing they see on tv. I unplugged years ago. TV “programming” is frightening now.
Also, pay attention to the Russell Brand take-down. Brand and RFK were same lane – *leftists* populists with relatively mass appeal – able to reach a whole swath of the population that have tuned out MAGA. That makes them dangerous to the dems and the uniparty. Look how hard DC/intel community have worked to discredit MAGA. A very, very few popular media figures are threatening that project. Brand is/was a main person. RFK is another. Jimmy Dore is another. We should more likely expect they’re all taken down between now and next summer.
RFK could be brought under control if Michelle Obama gets the D nomination and he waffles to identity politics and endorses and/or drops out. Otherwise, I believe he’ll have to be taken down, because he’s far more dangerous for the closely managed dem side than for the fiercely loyal Trump camp. Oh yeah and squishy republicans are NEVER going to vote for an anti-establishment lefty. Just isn’t gonna happen.
And hat tip Sundance again for the link above to https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1652134220339314688.html. Up until now hadn’t found any of what’s documented there.
While simultaneously claiming that RFK Jr. will take more votes from Trump than from FJB,
RFK Jr. finds himself podcasting with a guy who makes dumb jokes about “foster homes vs. bananas foster.”
Kinda pitiful, huh?
This piece of Charmin just insured he will never get my vote in the future! The apple NEVER falls far from the tree!
It is a long (and, at times, goofy) interview.
You can skip to 1:05 for the pertinent discussion.
I would say it’s a near certainty that Joe Biden will NOT be the Democrat Party candidate.
If Democrats believe this they are much dumber than I thought.
They are some of the most stupid people on the planet.
We’re still explaining things based on “voters” making the determination? Have we learned nothing?
It’s about ballots, and the narrative engineers need fodder to “explain” what cost PDJT the 2024 election.
Something like, “the overwhelming, joyful exuberance of M. Obama being the nominee in combination with the “votes” lost to RFK Jr., was just too much for PDJT to overcome.”
This is how you know that the anti-vax forces is also part of the psyop. President Trump, has always supported Operation Warp Speed and the Covid-19 vaccines that, on his watch, was produced and dispensed in record time. This also include the ventilators that he was able to commandeer and to encourage the automakers to produce and dispense. Covid-19 was real and all this rhetoric about the “jab” and the like are designed to fracture support for Donald Trump. Now the most prominent anti-vaxxer, RFK Jr., enters the Presidential Race, to use this anti-vax message to target Donald J. Trump.
Think about it. Anti-vaccine rhetoric is also a cost effective way for the Deep State/CIA to target Trump. Most of these anti-vaxxers populate Bitchute and Rumble (and there are several on You Tube, most notably, Dr. John Campbell). But notice the ones pushing this rhetoric are those who MAGA folks listen to as their primary source of information, like Stew Peters, SGT Report, Alex Jones, Maria Zee, Redacted News, Epoch Times, The Expose, Mike Adams, Greg Hunter, and the list goes on. For a fraction of the cost that they once had to spend on MSM to spread their lies and propaganda, the CIA can spread that money around to more such controlled oppositional voices.
If you support our President then BELIEVE HIM AND BELEIVE IN HIM. He’s would not release a poison upon the American people and the rest of the World. RFK Jr. and his anti-vax team are being setup to defeat MAGA. The GREAT AWAKENING is realizing that those would CLAIM to being on our side, ARE NOT.
Trump isn’t infallible. He’s been deceived by Deep State shills on multiple occasions, including this one.
The horrible truth is, it was Mike Pompeo who most likely orchestrated the pandemic. And there is evidence pointing to the vaccine already being in development BEFORE the pandemic began (in other words, Operation Warp Speed is a hoax).
How was Trump deceived? Cite evidence, please.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/10/02/did-the-fourth-branch-of-government-release-sars-cov-2-then-blame-china/
just sayin’ . . . I do not want to have placque psoriasis . . . but that thing is nervolating . . . I hope it isn’t some way to mesmerize a Treeper, staring at and looking for those critters to change color
WHY are you posting an article twice on this site on RFK that says the same thing about his polling?? Trying to shove it in our faces to prove a point?
Everyone is ignoring the obvious. As a long time Rush student no one will even listen to jr. since his audio is so bad,his voice so bad its unairable. Not his fault I know. But, sometimes you just have to state the obvious.
No one can take that voice for more than a few minutes. When no one listens your message never gets out and you lose every time! The only ones voting for someone with no message are idiot dems. So go figure who gets hurt.
Nonsense….only good news for Trump. Biden is not going to run, he will be replaced.