Shortly before RFK Jr stated that he would be announcing a run for president as an independent candidate, he appeared on a podcast to discuss the possibility of leaving the Democrat ticket. {Rumble Link Here} Mr Kennedy said his campaign had done research on the impact to the 2024 race if he ran as an independent.
Within the interview RFK Jr shares that his private polling reveals he takes more votes from Donald Trump than he does from Joe Biden. Thus, having seeded the background for favorable republican support, running as an independent now becomes the most effective way to stop Trump. WATCH:
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In case you are coming in late to this story, what RFK Jr outlines is exactly what I shared earlier. {Go Deep}
With his son’s wife working for the CIA, the strategic influence operation becomes much easier. The principal doesn’t need to be an active participant in the op in order to benefit the goal. RFK Jr sees his impact against Donald Trump in 2024 as a net positive. There’s the justification in a nutshell.
…”Reset your reference point to the baseline where the intelligence operatives do not want you to be. When someone starts asking the question about RFK Jr. taking votes from Biden, stop them immediately. Joe Biden will not be the nominee. With Gavin Newsom as the DNC candidate coming out of Chicago, what does RFK Jr. do to THAT contest with Trump? That’s the question.
You all know the answer.
This is an op.” (more)
This is all about stopping Donald Trump.
{GO DEEP on The Agenda}
Sundance. Thank you for bringing the receipts and your perspective. This place really might be the last refuge where there can be free and intelligent discourse.
After reflecting on this here is my thoughtful response.
We are in narrative warfare. The battle is for our hearts and minds. Elections, wars, economies, free speech, independence, are all downstream results that come first from winning the war over our hearts and minds.
To that end, I view RBK as a net positive not a net negative. Questioning whether he pulls votes away from Trump should be the secondary question.
The most important question should be whether he is helping aiding the elites in narrative warfare or aiding team ragtag patriots.
Maybe not in 2020, 2019 ,2018 etc, but the last 24 months I’ve seen RBK launch some truth rockets into the minds of Never Trumpers and old fashioned Democrats alike. I’ve seen him take down neo con hannity and take the same position on Ukraine as Col Macgregor. In the same interview with Theo you just shared, he also wasn’t shy to talk about election rigging and DNC party control.
Right now, I tip my hat just like I am to Matt Gaetz for his contribution of helping expose the strings to people a wider audience. Right now, it’s a net benefit to the narrative war. If this is a plan by the DS, they have seriously miscalculated
To the secondary question. Maybe he take some trump supporters but I’d need to see the internal polling before I agree. I see it more likely that there are a lot more Democrats dying for a way out of their sinking moral ship and RBK might be that for them. There are a lot of people that are not as big of fans of Gavin as you might think. It wasn’t just republicans that tried to recall the guy.
Maybe RBK pulls some desantis ppl over. Fine. They were the never Trumpers anyway. And I think trump takes a lot more independents than a third. He is Godzilla trump after all and his base is growing.
I really do think that RBK is a net positive to the resistance narrative and will end up taking more votes away from the democrat party than they can afford to lose. Whether that’s the intent of it or not and whether he has a history of towing the narrative line of the elites for so many years is of no consequence. What matters is the war right now. He won’t win either way.
I’d love to see your response Sundance or someone who holds your views response as well.
Hopefully you are right. My 2 cents is that RFK2 has to make a choice with his campaign.
If he goes climate change, plastic bans, gasoline and diesel bans, assault rifle ban, pro abortion, shutdown pipelines, gays in the military, transgender rights, CRT and Affirmative Action he’s not getting any Trump voters.
I can’t see him running against any of these woke agendas.
Well put. Very well put.
Love your handle… Bigly.
Bigly!
Agree … if I understand another excellent Sundance review … neverTrump RINO traitors voting for RFKjr are NOT lost Trump votes – they are lost Biden votes.
I second that, Bigly!
Don’t forget, RFK Jr also wants to LEGALIZE all illegal drugs and
have free rehab for drug addicts.
No kidding.
Hah! Well that kinda makes sense since “I’m a Kennedy!” Kennedy is an ex heroin and sex addict. Me no kidding either.
Wow, just like his father and uncles and cousin(s)!
“Michael Skakel is a nephew of Ethel Skakel Kennedy, the widow of U.S. Senator Robert F. Kennedy”
Never forget the Kennedy Criminals’ Crimes!
The legalized pot in Washington State. You could smell it every time you went into a public park. The cops did nothing, because they couldn’t. The next thing you knew it started smelling diff ent and the users were acting very different. They would try to blow smoke in the face of little kids (2 or 3 years old) as they walked by with their parents. When my group ran by we realized it was heroin. We warned the parents so they stopped going to the parks. The drug addicts took them over and they became homeless encampments with every imaginable debauchery possible. It is disgusting. The Governor orders them cleaned out and cleaned up during an election year. Then right back to no laws. The government even bought several motels to house them in.
Under a Trump administration, hopefully there would be little ‘love’ in the form of funding for druggie WA! Let them create their own prosperity- if they can- with our worthless and ever- deteriorating Biden Bucks!
Yup … other than RFKjr correctly criticizing fauciSTEIN, the SCAMdemic, clot shots, CDC & BigPharma … everything else he promotes is Left-Land-LooneyTunes !!!
True, but many Libertarians and Independents sitting on the fence who would vote for Trump as “the lesser of two evils” will go to RFK I believe.
True, but he’s been playing down those whacko ideas and the conservative media has, generally speaking, been helping him to do so. They only publish his anti-CIA, anti-establishment notions.
RFKJR calls Himself a progressive loud and clear. That coupled with Kucinich as campaign manager is solidly leftist.
With glee He mentioned that He would pull away Trump voters. This is partisan politics of the Democrats to splinter the opposition.
WE are in a war for the foundation of our country to stand based on our founding constitution and principle’s. It is time for these pols to see the big picture and stand behind Trump as general and leader. With Trump as President all will benefit with a renewed America. There is a place for Bobby, He leads an effective organization with Children’s Health Defense, coalitions can come together, but He is not the battering ram that we need to break the siege.
I’m hoping he does go Independent; what the Ds have in store for him is a crime, but a martyr is what they need……not saying that they wouldn’t use him as an independent for the same purposes……Sanders is a prime example.
All the things you cite are the criteria for the Uniparty; MAGA has the Tea Party roots and opposite goals……..you’re either wired for America First or you’re Uniparty ac/dc.
He is onboard with the climate change faction as well as gun control. He will not get my vote for these two reasons.
He is just in the race to take votes from Trump. He would have a place in the administration, but not as President.
I wouldn’t counsel a place for any Dem partisan in a Trump administration. Dems will always be Dems FIRST AND FOREMOST. They are sweet talkers and backstabbers.
While it has been interesting to see RFK emerge on the scene, I have to remember that he is
against the Second Amendment and that is a HUGE problem for me. Ir should be a problem for him as well.
Without the 2nd Amendment, we would already be totally underwater Communim.
With a family member entwined with the CIA someway, he has to know that the death of his family members is being shown to be on their shoulders of that agency. Odd association is how I consider that matter.
Once the gumshoes who are left in America get their insights on the table, RFK might not look like a great option to take down the Deep State.
The big tell for me…
He’s a DEMOCRAT, from a DEMOCRAT family, raised by and with DEMOCRATS, ran and elected as a DEMOCRAT, for every breath he’s ever drawn
Once you get past that, he’s seemingly at least semi-lucid
The 50% Celt FJB is a member of the Kennedy Mick Mafia (kind of like Fredo, just dumber, meaner and a retarded pedo homsexual).
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/15/caroline-kennedy-australia-ambassador-biden
That’s a lot of words for stop Trump.
There is no gain of any sort to RFK running. Period.
It is a psy op.
Anyone helping RFK against Real President Trump, and in that, AMERICA, is an enemy.
Absolutely! Thank you thank you thank you!!! WTH is wrong with all these snowflakey tunnel visioned “I’m a Kennedy!” Kennedy apologists?! Damn straight they are ALSO an enemy.
I agree with your assessment. Kennedy is the wild card in this rigging game. Disagreements on social issues is not what’s important. He has the potential to take down the Uniparty, or at least seriously damage it. And it’s going to put a major glitch in the dems’ plan to steal another election. It’s like the game where you try to keep three balls in the air at the same time.
Unless the evil ones , IC, take half of Trump’s votes, flip them to Jr. And then wow! The Dem won! Many will think this truly happened to the votes and it did not. It’s a psy op like Sundance has said.
Wrong. He is part of the Uniparty.
Emeritus standing.
Agree… Kennedy is the wild card. I dont think for a minute that he is working for the deep state; he blames them for the murder of his father and uncle.
My hope is that having both Trump and RFK in the election will blow the DC establishment to bits.
Stay tuned.
None of it matters anyway. It’s all about vote fraud. Of voter integrity isn’t restored, nothing else matter. They’ll “win” by hook and crook and we’ll have to ask ourselves are we ready to do what’s necessary to take back our country.
Yes and no…IMO.
There is a tendency to disambiguate our political and cultural reality into (often randomly selected and defined) discrete rights rather than the deeper current: abortion, universal income, access to healthcare, education, distributive justice, access to opportunity, etc. All these political voices, media mouthpieces, “leaders” have adopted positions on one or another of these “rights” as vehicles for support/funding using, directly or indirectly, the construct of social justice- one suspects often without conviction or any coherent understanding or interest in the actual human cost/outcomes of institutionalized social justice.
The last 200-100 years have witnessed the acceptance and expansion of social justice theory in moral philosophy/ethics, religion, political economy, legal constructs, education polemics, culture, political science – in many respects even our notions of individual human rights (i.e., either draws upon or supersedes; tipping the balance of justice away from individuation to the social construct). As one digs into the foundations and scaffolding one senses that there is no real intellectual and practical coherency to social justice – it’s whatever the power objectives are for the various proponents; it’s a completely malleable concept. One does see and feel, however, how the implementation and enforcement of social justice theory can have very serious, destructive consequences.
And that is the battle that is really being fought. And it is not being fought very ably. The individual and his/her relationship to society (civilization/government and its controls – most especially justice) has been a key thought realm of philosophy, art, religion, political science, etc., since mankind first began to think about himself, nature and purpose. Social justice has a clear role in our social and individual lives. That said, there has to be some agreement on definition, codification, authority, enforcement, institutionalization. Presently, the social justice warriors are winning this battle at the local, national and international levels (don’t doubt for a second that extreme social justice concepts underly much of the UN agenda). More resources, more time, more “public education”, more intellectual clarity, more documentation of consequences has to be allocated to elevate awareness of what’s at stake, what has run amok, the tension between individual determination and social justice, the applications of bounded social justice that have merit. Very little of this is happening presently. Current social justice dialogue is mostly an advocacy conversation positioned to realize power to force rather than represent – and to accumulate wealth.
This battle has to be won. It matters to all of us. It needs to be front and center in the national conversation. But it has to be worked to a coherent understanding before it can become a battering ram to move our politics away from the current chaos much social justice theory has produced.
Whole lot of ‘splaining on social Justice to convince a bunch of MAGA folks who already know it is all BS.
lol
I gave RK Jr. a small contribution many months ago so he would continue being a thorn in the Democrats’ ass. I would never consider voting for him.
I still get bombarded daily with his emails.
He’s sadly mistaken if they think I flipped on Trump.
It would be very interesting if you report back here on what those emails now start saying about his leftist positions.
23 Of The Ugliest Skeletons In The Kennedy Family Closet
https://allthatsinteresting.com/kennedy-family-facts
RFK is net negative to Trump and MAGA.
Always has been and always will be.
the one way to stop him is voter turn out for Trump? Biden won’t be the nominee. he’s bleeding voters those votes will likely go to Kennedy and maybe a small groop to Trump. What happens if Biden doesn’t run? Can we ovecome Kennedy with massive turn out for Trump?
if America doesn’t fight for Trump…..it deserve what happens to it.
Cultural Darwinism……Buh Bye America
Many of us don’t deserve what is happening right now, yet the politicians don’t care. They are all liars.
I’m for Trump but I fight for the Flag he carries and embraces.
The Tea Party/MAGA brigade fights for what our Constitution says. And We want DC to follow it to a tee…….no ifs, ands, or buts!
Pollster John McLaughlin shows Kennedy winning 15% of the vote in a Democratic primary.
But the McLaughlin survey also shows that in a general election Kennedy draws 2-to-1 more from Biden’s voters than he does from President Trump.
I forgot mention Cornell West who will take a few percent from the Dems also.
But that’s in a Democratic Primary. RFK will apparently be running as an Independent now, apparently as a result of the Democrat Party’s intransigence…NOT because he’s a CIA plant or something. To paint him that way muddies the water and confuses Like Minded voters who don’t pay a lot of attention as to what’s going on.
Personally, I don’t know what RFK’s switch will do to Trump’s numbers, but frankly, I’m quite sorry to read Sundance’s analysis on this: are we really supposed to interpret RFK’s switch as proof that he’s a CIA operative or something? REALLY?
I was a life long Republican who voted straight GOP ticket until George HW Bush’s race against Clinton…when I voted Perot that cycle (I could relate to him since George was too “vanilla” for my tastes relative to his economic policies). I assumed GHWB would win so voted Perot “As a Protest Vote” … to “Send a Message to the RNC”. We know how that turned out, and in retrospect I’m sorry I did that. But I wasn’t political at that time and wasn’t aware of “the polling numbers” and what that all meant. I simply assumed GHWB would win and the RNC would also pay attention to my protest vote. Stupid me. Today, there are lots of equally Stupid Voters out there who are in the same boat I was back then.
But the reason for my post is this: There’s NO NEED to accuse RFK Jr. as being some sort of CIA patsy that WE INDIVIDUAL VOTERS would NEVER EVER be able to run to ground to prove or disprove before casting a vote, dammit!! QUIT complicating the picture for voters!!!
I am MAGA! I want Trump as my next President. STOP STOKING EMOTIONS!!
Calm down and back away from the CAPS and “!” keys, dear.
Oh my… Did that prevent you from missing the content of my post?
Hi Fannie,
Would like to discuss the content of my post!
Should we discuss how emotional you got yelling at Sundance to, “STOP STOKING EMOTIONS?” 🙄
I’ld buy into the site policing you and others voice were it a bit more disciplined. There has been a disturbing pattern to “herding” in the last many months.
I don’t see you or the other stewards of virtue (who comically default to the “rules”) when others post declaratives ranging from overt violence (i.e., ammo up folks) to vulgar character assassination. I don’t have deep issues with the statements – it’s the uneven application of controls.
Sound familiar? Ill defined virtue? Unevenly applied rules/behavioral controls?
Caps or exclamation marks; they both mean the same and it ain’t anger! It’s enthusiasm and all depends on your comprehension of ‘speech’……speech inflects enthusiasm, and many other emotions and you hear it, written words get emotion from CAPS and !!!!………..again it’s all in how you read it or hear it.
Proper English prowlers put ‘their’ emotions in reading; ergo they get upset at misspelling, CAPS, !!!, etc.
It’s a blog, it’s meant to stir emotions.
Good on the CAPS !!!
Your point is valid. You’re a critical thinking, recommend using your logic meter and critical thinking skills to figure it out. Sundance poses possibilities, it’s up to you to interpret outcomes.
Sundance brings sunlight, not complication, to voters.
If you are truly MAGA, and not just a liar, you wouldn’t be defending Kennedy in any form or fashion.
Absolutely correct. Sick and tired of these vascillating namby pambys – who quite clearly can only think in straight lines.
Thank you AlleyCats…your Tis Simple to be True approach is continually refreshing.
What?!!!!!
You have conflated two separate lines of thought in a rather haphazard way.
There is the analysis and documentation/insider information Sundance conducts and shares – among the best I have seen on the I-Net.
Then there is MAGA. The two are not a single identity.
You’re labelling someone a liar if they don’t meet some undefined litmus test? What’s wrong with you? That’s precisely what most of us are trying to remove from our current political leadership and major segments of culture.
MAGA as a political force and a set of ideals will survive to the degree that it embodies timeless truths and practical/practicable solutions. It doesn’t need herding. It should set the example.
Holy smokes!
Sundance promotes MAGA vehemently.
This is his site and a MAGA site.
But they’re not the same identity?
When did you become the decider of parameters of what will cause MAGA to survive?
Deflection/diversion?
Holy smokes!
Yawn.
You don’t get the real message. You and some others are becoming what you claim to detest. I don’t really care whether you have that kind of self-awareness or not. Others see it. I see it.
I visit this site mostly for the information and thinking Sundance shares. Some of the poster analysis is also quite incisive. Both overlay my observations/worldview/information sources and often improve my situational awareness.
I understood rather quickly well over a year ago that it is a heterogeneous group of people who come to this site. I observed, over time, how some of the site dynamics by posters replicated behaviors I witnessed when Plouffe and his operatives first weaponized social media back in 2007/2008. I also observed very quickly rather reactionary, wildly off the mark assumptions about posters sharing information or thought processes that did not conform to some ever changing line in the sand. “They’re trolls! They’re bots! They’re De Santis mini-meatballs! They’re the enemy!” It was easy to cue in on the simplistic semi-organizing/coordination in the background on how to address perceived threats to the self-anointed mission statement protectors. What struck me was how far off the mark many of the “handlers” were – and still remain in their assumptions. This, in turn, leads one to think: what else are they off the mark about? how deeply do they really understand what is unfolding? how trustworthy are they given the display of traits and behaviors I find detestable in the very folks they claim to despise?
You want insight into a not so secret secret? If you don’t contain your own hubris, your own blathering self-righteousness, your own lack of judgment on when to pounce and when to hold in reserve, you’re going to absolutely lose this battle. If you can’t make allowances for differences in opinion among people who arrive with different backgrounds but shared goals – you will lose this fight. The real battle isn’t re-electing PDJT. The real challenge is going to be governance once he is restored the oval office – by us, including me. And that cannot be done by fiat. It will require consent, alliances, buy-in, etc.
You aren’t MAGA: you are a member of that diverse group of concerned citizens, parents, bill payers, retired military who risked their lives for the same principles you, in theory, espouse. Cut the nonsense (euphemism) and get back to what actually matters. Exchange ideas. Defend ideas. Share information. Explain goals, objectives, and mechanisms for changing the real mess, addressing the real threat. Thought policing the herd is neither something you/some others should want to do nor practice smartly.
And you sound like a highly educated academic trying to impress and convince everyone with over complicated arguments which are a hallmark of hubris and self importance itself.
And talking about self-righteousness? Try reading your own reply.
Your answer is the only answer, huh? Wrong.
Calling me or any of us ‘others’ simplistic is a little bit hubristic, degrading, and insulting itself. See how that works.
Most of us, including me, are well educated and even better informed / well read than you give ‘us’ credit for who are targeted by you in your reply; and we (none of us addressed) don’t need you or anyone else trying to tell us how to think and what to consider.
As far as legitimate trolls go, you have no idea, not even a clue, as to how many have been taken down by some of our efforts. But the mods do.
Who are you to tell me that I’m not MAGA as a political persuasion? I’m all in! But you don’t seem to be. Talking about “blathering self-righteousness” and lack of judgement of others? How hypocritical!
You implore to exchange, share and defend ideas/information. And yet when we do and the others’ point of view is counter to one of our positions, it’s nonsensical euphemisms.
In other words, be tolerant of others, but that doesn’t apply to those influencing us or countering our position. Sounds a little like leftist projection to me.
And the biggest ‘tell’ of all you just espoused that unmasks you:
“The real battle isn’t re-electing PDJT.”
The real challenge’ is governance once he is restored. While it will be challenging, that’s putting the cart before the horse, isn’t it? So much for logical discourse.
For now, IT is all about re-electing Trump! Everything else is downhill from there and any logical deduction supports that.
And any deflection or consideration to any other candidate for any reason is ANTI-MAGA and support for the Uniparty and Deep State.
How is that for “addressing the real threat.”
See, you’re not the only one who can be wordy trying to make a point.
Better luck next time!
Someone has to be the sheepdog..
Same for some of the others defending an indefensible argument.
Was it a mistake to vote for Perot? That is a tough question. The last time we got to a balanced budget was during the Clinton administration (with the Gingrich shutdown). The Bush family derailed the Reagan Revolution. So maybe taking a principled stand vs. voting for the lesser of two evils isn’t so bad. McCain? Romney? I struggle with that question over supporting my own Rino Senator, a McConnell acolyte, v. just letting the other side win. Tough decision since voting the lesser of two evils has gotten us to our current position with McConnell/McCarthy/Ronna Republican incumbents
BUBBA AND NEWT DIDN’T REALLY BALANCE THE BUDGET!
It was just an accounting trick and a nothing but a book keeping illusion.
Yes…I am yelling and being emphatic on this issue!
Correct. The Perot issue has always provided room for thought. (I too voted for him with quite a sense of self-righteousness-smile).
In any event, as we’ve discussed many times here, if we don’t make a decision for ourselves, often choosing the lesser of two evils, someone else will make it for us, and THEY WILL INHERIT THE EARTH.
maidmarion, I am as frustrated as you, having voted for RINOs as far back as Nixon. We have all been PLAYED (caps off) for many decades now. What we know as Globalists have been around longer than any of us has been alive. Their plan for global governance is sinister and of borne of Satan.
In the Bible, many stories contain imperfect people playing roles in God’s perfect play. And that play spans many centuries right up until today. Most of us here can agree that Donald Trump is receiving divine guidance. And we can also agree that Donald Trump is not perfect. Now suppose that RFK Jr, for all his imperfections and foibles, is also receiving divine guidance. Is that as unlikely a supposition as Trump’s receiving God’s favor and guidance?
maidmarion:
Please re-read what Sundance said.
He did not say that the see eye ay placed RFKJr as an asset.
RFK is, factually, an unwitting asset of the see eye ay.
His newly declared determination to take away PDJT votes aligns with the take-down of PDJT that the see eye ay wants.
Therefore he just de-facto joined their team, whether he intended to do so or not.
Yes, there is reason to cause alarm.
Just because you don’t like it or disagree, is no reason to try to order Sundance not to view his opinion based on research.
Who are you to demand the host/owner follow your demands? Talking about gall?
AND, it’s not that complicated. If there is even a plausibility or possibility that RFK is a dupe, knowingly or unknowingly, then it’s best to not consider him as a POTUS. Period!
If you don’t like Sundance’s opinion nor our defense and agreement with him, then guess what?
Who cares? & you don’t have to be here!
After the “No New Taxes” broken promise, GHW Shrubbery was unelectable?
The Shrubbery voters elected Bubba!
Biden will not be the nominee.
Probably someone worse or at least sentient which is more dangerous.
Slick as Satan will be the nominee.
BS
This saddens me Sundance…seems you’ve jumped the shark here with these accusations. Your analysis DOES NOT help Trump’s supporters to understand the political dynamic RFK’s (honest in my view) decision will have on this race. Very discouraging. We DO NOT need to muddy the waters…
If Sundance’s viewpoint “saddens” you, perhaps it would cheer you up and clarify the waters, to describe for us the “political dynamic which you accuse has been missed?
You won’t be so “discouraged” after you enlighten us.
Exactly! Please share your thoughts. We are very open minded here. Frankly, I thought RFK2 was sincere about getting the truth out about his father’s and his uncle’s assassinations. After watching him speak on several occasions I felt he was being very honest about finding the truth and he clearly understood that he would never get to the truth with the Democrats in power. The same Democrats that have charged President Trump with 91 felonies in four separate cases. How does working to install Biden or Newsom advance his mission?
So appreciate that you are open minded, California Joe! Here’s my question about your question: “How does working to install Biden or Newsom advance his mission?” I’m not an RFK Jr. supporter so this is not how I assess this. Are you stating to me that RFK Jr. is working, quote, “to install Biden or Newsom (to) advance his mission?”
If you use ‘third’ party running in elections instead of RFK as your example you will make your point better; A third party in a two party system does detract from both parties, but never enough to win the race, but gives hope to some.
If it’s RFK you want to defend, you’re doing a good job – he does appear to be at an opposite pole to Biden/Ds, but seems more Uniparty than Trump MAGA. Therefore he’d make a great ‘third party’ candidate to upset an applecart.
Trying to figure out who you are, California Joe! Let me know, tks.
Hi California Joe!
Are you still open minded “there”? Or, are you possibly working somebody’s campaign “there”??
You love ‘open mindedness,’ don’t you?
Easier to persuade (influence).
And it is pretty obvious you are working RFK’s campaign.
Leftist – accuse others or what you’re doing.
Please educate me: Why would RFK Jr cozy up to the entity that assassinated his uncle and father?
A: Maybe because it is a Democrat, not American, organization and he is a Democrat. Or maybe he thinks he can fix it.
I could never vote against Life, but I had hoped that he would wreck the Democrat Establishment like he promised. But now I see that he NEVER seriously calls out Obama, Biden or the Clintons. I see Sundance’s point. Splitter Op.
ps; We shouldn’t call out friendly commenters as liars, enemies and trolls just because they don’t yet agree or have the same understanding.
Good question! And if he is cozying up to that entity, then he is a sad excuse for a man and should slither back into the muck from whence he came.
Exactly! It doesn’t make sense.
Beautiful.
You can always start your own blog.
Actually they are looking more and more like a troll. And a manic one at that.
She’s trying to right here😉
Trump supporters, especially here, are smarter than than most people. We do not need “help” understanding political dynamics. We fully understand the psy op. As well as your part in it.
Coming here to insult Sundance and the hundreds of thousands Treepers is not a winning strategy.
Bullseye.
Some are indeed trolls coming here to agitate while some others might be sincere and trying to “cue” us into some 3D chess games and trusty plans about White Hats vs Black Hats.
Pot calling the kettle black.
We are understand perfectly!
Once you cease thinking only in straight lines – you may possibly be able to grasp the concept of Sundance’s most erudite and insightful analysis.
I like that.
Tissue?
WTH are you taking about?
All of the Trump voters know, know exactly what the dynamics are and don’t give a damn about Bobby socks.
Screw RFK!
It’s the current DeSantis contingent that concerns me. Well, that and the GOP in general not vociferously backing Trump after he is declared the nominee, which might have helped sway some of that DeSantis contingent back to Trump rather than to RFK, Jr.
Whatever the case, some of this is simply beyond one’s control, so no use fretting about it. Control what you can and hope for the best.
It’s an election and subject to fraud. It’s a fraud that has a body like a gorilla and tenacles like an octopus….how do you beat the fraud? That is the question. Rule changes per state mandates, crazy tally counts and just plain dishonest people hoping for something other than an honest election. That is the problem. They are already messing with the electoral college or so we here they are.
Look at the youngest in your entire family and imagine what their future will be if we continue down this path we are now on? Something has to change in America and it isn’t the Constitution.
Everyone commenting here assumes that we will have some sort of near honest election. I’m not so sure.
The subtleties do indeed abound.
After listening to Ken Paxton explain to Lou Dobbs what went down in Texas, I’m thinking my small donations next year may go to MAGA candidates for state houses in swing and would-be-purple states. Oh and to PDJT of course.
The way Paxton described the Texas House was eerily similar to the national House. 65 block-voters for DementoRats team with 10 RINO traitors every time to overturn the will of a majority of Republican votes.
10 RINOs there do the same dirty work that our well-known 20 traitors in D.C. do to keep The Powers That Should Not Be in the driver’s seat. And it’s the state legislatures and Senates who Constitutionally control voting rules.
Those of you in states with seeming Republican majorities could do well to get the word out on this blocking phenomenon.
I hear you. The thinking voiced by Trump is that “They only can commit so much fraud.” Like you, I am not so sure of that. Given all we’ve seen so far, what’s to stop them from overtly cheating in even more obvious, massive ways without impunity? I mean, who is gonna stop them? The Judiciary won’t give standing to cases. So, yes, I’d be surprised if Trump overcomes it.
I think this is likely at the end of the day…
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Let’s talk about RFK Jr.
RFK Jr is a Green new deal leftist.
He isn’t stealing Trump votes in Ohio or Pennsylvania.
Being “anti servailence state” or “anti vax” is enough to play well in New Hampshire but the Green New Deal stuff will kill RFK in Iowa & Wisconsin.
Being a “Kennedy” doesn’t mean as much as the right is making out to be. Joe Kennedy couldn’t even win a Dem primary for Senate in Massachusetts.
Some polls right now may show RFK hurting Trump, but many polls December & January were showing DeSantis hurting Trump too.
Many Trump voters see RFK as an anti vax, anti establishment hero just like they saw RDS as the covid hero and successor to Trump before Trump started to brand him.
Once Trump begins to brand RFK for what he is, RFK won’t lay a glove on Trump and will do the most damage to Biden.
2:10 AM · Oct 2, 2023
I think you’d be surprised by how many Iowans buy into the green new deal. We have had a huge influx of supposedly conservative minded people from blue states who didn’t leave their politics behind in some ways. The green new deal being the biggest. And many natives think ethanol is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
No IC engines= no ethanol. I don’t support the ethanol lunacy but if Iowans do, going Green New Deal is counterproductive.
The Climate Hoax is constantly peddled by Successful Farming, John Deere, Case/IH, Pioneer Seeds, Farm & Ag radio shows… farmers hear it a lot as they struggle with sub-$5/corn and getting their crop in right now.
All kinds of polls… here’s one from Rasmussen that says it hurts the Democrats a lot more!
Survey: 33% of Democrats to Vote for RFK Jr. as an Independent – DNC Headed For Panic!
For one-third of America’s Democratic voters, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. would win if he ran as an independent in the 2024 presidential election, according to a new survey. This could potentially put a big advantage on former President Donald Trump’s reelection bid.
If the Democrats and Republicans nominate current President Joe Biden and Trump respectively, and Kennedy runs as a third party, 33 percent of Democratic voters would “likely” vote for him, as per the recent Rasmussen Reports poll, including 14 percent who would be “very likely” to back him. Among likely voters as a whole, 25 percent said they would likely vote for Kennedy if he ran against Biden and Trump, including 14 percent of Republicans, with 10 percent saying they are “very likely” to cast their ballots this way.
The poll, which engaged 998 “U.S. likely voters” by telephone and online survey from September 17-18, also indicated that 41 percent of Democrats have at least a somewhat favorable view of the late President John F. Kennedy’s nephew along with 56 percent of Republicans and 49 percent of those without party affiliation. In total, 49 percent of likely voters view RFK Jr. favorably, including 14 percent very favorably, while 37 percent have an unfavorable opinion of him.
In reality, no one will be voting for Biden if he’s on the ticket. They will be voting for whoever handles and backs him. Try Obama for a 4th term? Seems Obama is laying low since his chef went dead on sunny afternoon in the water. It’s time to rid our nation of Communist dressed up like they are going to church. Oh, I forgot the dress code has been scrubbed by the Senate!
There’s a lotta truth to this idea IMO.
Would like to note that the people behind Obama will almost certainly control any eventual Dem Prez candidate. As SD posts – they own the bureaucracy and key parts of the judiciary.
Is this being shared on social media? I don’t frequent those places.
I would love to see how this is being discussed (especially in light of the battlefield prep by operators).
I’d lie to a poll that asked me a stupid question like that.
That definitely qualifies as “throwing sand in the gears.”
Again, Sundance, polling aside, why would RFK do anything voluntarily to help the IC, which needs Biden re-elected?
As a spoiler, a la Ross Perot.
Polls seem meaningless so early.
Sundance – since President Trump just recently declared he will be taking back DC quote “in less than five months” (latest: March 2024), and that some “good things” “hopefully spectacular” are on the way, doesn’t all this conjecture about the primaries and the “election” have little relevance?
If I were RFK, knowing the probability I’d win (or be allowed to win) to be low, my plan would be to play kingmaker by throwing my support in exchange for certain concessions around the causes I’ve championed my whole life. Perhaps insist on a cabinet position where I could make sure they were implemented.
BTW, I’d certainly be trying hard to convince Democrats I hurt Trump more than Biden for a million reasons. Saying the opposition doesn’t help me at all.
In the end, it doesn’t matter because it won’t be allowed to be a 3 serious candidate general election
Some suggest that this is all just theater, keeping the US populace occupied while the global vise is closing on the post-industrial US in the terminal decline stage.
Major US trends combining and pointing to a coming convergence under a BRICS++ rising to global dominance:
Accelerating debt crush.
Pushing toward major war while weakening the military.
Energy constriction > economic contraction.
Pushing middle class down to neo-serf class.
DEI Marxism > synergistic incompetencies and dysfunctions.
Biotyranny.
Rising propaganda/censorship.
Surveillance/police state.
The first two appear to be carrying the US inexorably toward a pivot to totalitarianism, the others apparently being deployed to reinforce that end state.
BRICS++ ? It appears that Iran and NK are moving to join industrial/tech hegemon China and its resource-rich militarized ally Russia, following Saudi and other key nations, as BRICS continues to grow more powerful.
While the US continues to weaken itself with biowarfare and biotyranny harms and democide, and degrading its education system and everything else with DEI. (Have you noticed more incompetence and dysfunction these days?)
The coming convergence state of all these trends seems pretty clear.
So…back to the RFK Jr. etc. theater…what of it?
thank you another Squirrel for the masses
But what is the squirrel?
RFK Jr. ?
Or the larger picture outlined by bleu?
He’s just another train I refused to jump on when everyone else was saying he’s “anti-establishment.” The fact I keep getting these calls right tells me the other calls that haven’t fallen through are good calls, too.
He’s just another politician willing to support the Democrat establishment so long as they give him a nice role to play inside their system.
Sorry for missing this post. We went to our first Sukkot celebration yesterday. Small screens not allowed.
Do you trust polling? Do you trust candidate polling? RFK2 has an internal poll that shows him winning outright.
My answers are: No, No, What fogged out, 7 qualifiers, question did they ask to get that answer?
Is RFK2 controlled and a shill? There’s the rub.
Not controlled but can be used as a shill and those are two different issues.
In Tina Peters republican primary there was a late addition to the race of an unknown. TP was running away with the race and the Uniparty came together the stop her. He polled at zero percent but somehow won second place. I know not a soul that voted for him but Oddly his totals and TP’s totals would have been the winning margin. Margins were unassailable so TP had to raise cash for recount. Logic Testing failed but election was certified anyway.
In Keri Lake’s election they created a third “candidate” with drawer 3 for people who’s ballot wouldn’t process (which were predominantly KL votes). The allegation is they then mixed those uncounted ballots with the counted and handed the election to Katie Hobbs.
I believe Sundance is accurate to say a RFK2 independent run allows for manipulation of the ballots, not votes, by the Uniparty.
The Uniparty is committed to making sure PDJT will not win and will take any action including stopping the election from taking place to stop him.
It’s our job to protect the process and watch each level of the election without fail. I’m not sure this is possible with the layers of fog provided by the computers.
Sadly here in Colorado the ability to cheat is built into the system as evidenced by the TP primarily.
I’m praying every day for new revelations to change the dynamics..
Good comment
Thanks. It would help if autocorrect wouldn’t help so much. Primarily was originally Primary. (8-)
We all have that problem, especially me.
Autocorrect can be turned off, just sayin’.
I don’t have it turned on, and in that mode my Apple devices underline what they think are misspellings in red. I can then correct them or not…
In Tina Peters’ race, Sec/State Jena “Soros” Griswold installed an unknown ZuckBucks candidate, making the geneal election a “choice” between George Soros or Mark Zuckerberg. Some “choice”.
As you say, Griswold also installed another unknown splitter candidate to siphon or invent more votes, to cement the Fraud and make a challenge impossible.
Griswold has an army of phantom CheatWare and Mail-In voters. She actually got to choose who her own general election opponent would be. In addition to having her real opponent arrested by the Police State Apparatus.
There is no reason to believe Polis is a duly-elected governor, either.
THEY CAN’T WIN WITHOUT STOLEN ELECTIONS AND STOLEN ELECTIONS MAKE ALL THE OTHER CRIMES POSSIBLE.
Tina Peters is sitting in house arrest for doing all the things we say should happen for the 2024 election. How do we stop the manufactured outcomes?
The people in El Paso county who tried to take over we brought up on fraud charges. The system is the punishment.
GOPe controls El Paso county for the benefit of the Dems in Denver.
The public info has been shut down by Griswold as an election integrity measure.
How to change it?
When the unfunny lady from “Curb Your Enthusiasm” who happens to be married to Juicehead RFKJR demanded all the staff and guests at their dinner party in ’20 get the jab at the beginning of JR’s peak screeching about the killshot, I knew he was full of sh!t.
Wow, quite hypocritical with no conviction.
I thought there was plenty of conviction. What part was hypocritical?
30 years ago this would be a big deal. Democrats know how to cheat now, and have a compliant media to give them cover. They already know who will win.
Whether or not he takes more votes from PDJT or the potted plant doesn’t matter. His third-party run provides cover for the 2020 steal by dismissing any comparison of democrat vote totals between 2020 and 2024.
Kennedy is not a populist. He is not a conservative. His agenda does not align with MAGA. An interview with Tucker is not an endorsement.
Remember he is a democrat and lies for a living, pays people to lie for him, and in many ways is just like a Republican.
I wonder how the calculus changes when FJB is not the nominee.
Masking the cheat when they take votes from Trump and put them in the Kennedy bucket.
Exactly – because no way will the Biden replacement beat Pres Trump and MAGA in a 2 way match…. But reducing Trump votes via a third party candidate is a better cover for the big fraud.
Bullshit. 100%
No labels is also a deliberate Nev-R-Trump movement. One of it’s leaders openly admitted that they’d drop out if Trump wasn’t the nominee. They’re all afraid that the steal will a lot harder in 2024 and the need multiple “insurance policies”.
Well here’s one unaffiliated he won’t be taking. I may not want to be listed as a republican or a democrat but I’m conservative and without a doubt a strong, definite MAGA voter. President Trump has my vote now and when its time to cast even if I have to write his name in.
I’m calling BS on pulling voters for President Trump over.
In my group at work, we had 3 or 4 who solidly stood up for DeSantis. I asked this AM if they would consider voting for RFK Jr. Each unequivocally said “NO”!
People know the deal. Sure, there are some squishes that will go over to him, but they weren’t really going to vote for Rhonda anyway.
Exactly.
What I want to know is what has the CIA promised to give to RFK Jr in return for running as an independent? What will they release after Newsom is sworn in as President? If RFK Jr is part of the “op” what’s he getting in return? What’s the quid pro quo?
Money? Not showing embarrassing searches on his computer? Allowed to sit at the cool kid table in DC, again?
Those analyses by RFK2′ political consultants this far in advance are essentially worthless as I believe Sundance has said on many occasions not involving RFK2. But also remember, that RFK2 has to say that whether that is actually true or whether the analysis was even preformed at the level above a bull session. The base of his support is and remains Democrats and to appeal to that base, he needs to be anti-Trump. Saying his independent candidacy hurts Trump is thus a necessity for his legitimacy to that base. It is true that his anti-war, anti- Deep State and anti-vax statements have a certain appeal to conservatives. Sundance questions the sincerity of the first two at least. Suspicion is always warranted but if Trump is the Republican nominee, it is irrelevant as conservatives will support Trump. If, however, the GOPe somehow manages to sideline Trump, RFK2 becomes a serious competitor for conservative support.
So, Sundance, what do you do if it is Biden or Newsome v RFK2 v Ron! or (shudder) Haley.
So are you saying more libertarians vote for DJTrump?
Of course it was. He is a Democrat above all else. I was surprised at how many R voters and “independents” were jumping on his bandwagon.
It’s a new shiny object but once you listen closely to him – he’s supporting majority of current Democrat agenda including the economic destroying New Green Deal and climate change.
I don’t want any more kennedys as president. I don’t like political dynasties. And RFK will take votes from trump. Bobby is still a far left eco loon and I will never vote for him.
Fox News pundit stated a poll finds 48% of Republicans have a favorable view of RFKjr. That doesn’t mean they’ll vote for him but if even 10% of that favorable do, it’s huge. It all has to be coming from his leading anti vaxx position and nothing else. This Republican support should fall and switch overwhelmingly to Democrat as his positions are studied, eg, abortion up to birth; affirmative action, global warming/EPA, but there will always be one issue voters.
Amaryllis Fox departed the CIA in 2010. I know, once inside always inside, but… Anything is possible with the Kennedy crime family; Bootlegger Joe set a standard.
Is that the niece some here have mentioned?
Sundance, I do not doubt that RFK,Jr. will acquire dim, GOPe, and Never-Trumper votes; however, I do not think he will get any MAGA votes. That he is a Deep State tool is inconsequential.
Agree. The Never-Trumpers and GOPe would never have voted for Trump anyway. They would either support Biden, or the Oppressive Democrat nominee, or not vote at all.
Polls are propaganda; the money spent on companies that do polls is astronomical.
Trumps name in every article is an indicator of his popularity; he is either popular to hate or popular to love and it’s so easy to tell the difference. No need for polls.
Grassroots run deep and on instinct; polls are inaccurate at best, lies at worst….astroturf.
PS left out an apostrophe; the proper english brigade will shiver, other’s won’t care. I’m just used to finding my mistakes before my sister did.
Most of the GrammarNazis have retired from there policing of the 🌴 🏠
I keep my grammar geekdom in check here – it’s polite to our gracious host.
I sometimes indulge, but try hard to do it only when the mistake is part of a quote directly from the enemy, such as the NYSlimes or Wapoo.
RFKjr has a LOT of baggage – every bit a Liberal. RFKjr’s campaign will be like the ‘Brother Love’s Traveling Salvation Show’ – the so called ‘Independent voters’ he will get are people who would never vote for PDJT, e.g. the suburban ‘Karen’s’. Also, it’s not the general but the battleground states where the game will be played.
I take this with a dose of caution. I see the anti-trump faction who would rather vote for anyone other than Trump as supposed GOPe voters going with RFKJr. These are votes that Trump would never see in the 1st place. These same voters voted for Biden in 2020 so in reality, RFKJr is drawing Biden voters. They aren’t and never were Trump votes!
Exactly … RINO Traitors bushCARTEL, McConnell, JUDASpence, neverTRUMP failures, etc … ALL voted Hillary in 2016, Biden in 2020 & will vote for ANYTHING that might keep Trump out of the Oval Office in 2024.
Always amuses me when they still talk about who will get more votes! LOL!
polling reveals he takes more votes from Donald Trump than he does from Joe Biden.
That one statement should be worth a whole stack of “Never Trump” money. Lord knows he is going to need a big stack of cash to go third party. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Lincoln project do some pro-bono work. I wouldn’t see that as a positive for JFK jr.
Shame on this man. They shot his father.
I disagree, he has to say that or else. The advantage to President Trump is it means that Biden remains as Democrat nominee. With Kennedy and West running as 3rd and 4th parties it has to have a negative impact on Biden.
Of course he did polling on running independent. Who wouldn’t?
A “public opinion poll” is designed to influence public opinion, not to measure it. Tell me what you want a poll to say, and I will sell you one that does.
They never stop. I am one patriot who does not trust any of these actors. Thank you for reminding us of the plot. Anyone who votes repuke who votes for rfk jr is not welcome in my fox hole.
Not in a good mood.
I think we need to stop calling these radical Democrats “Progressive”. They are not progressive. They are “Oppressive”, in other words fascist, leftist, control freaks. From now on, I will call them Oppressive Democrats.
Well I no longer have respect for him. I liked him for his standing up to the DNC etc. but if he does this knowing he will take votes from DJT I am beginning to see a set up here.
Not to mention— OBiden Regime already has 3 Kennedy Family members acting as Ambassadors.
This other Kennedy is being richly rewarded for running his Op (splinter strategy).
Anyone of we the people who are truly awake and know a good bit of what is really going on….will ever vote for anybody but Trump! So if RFK Jr says he’s pulling people from Trump….then those same people don’t know what’s going on, do not have an understanding of the war we are in and were never really Trumpers anyways. But, it’s not over yet…..I beleive that there are things…events if you will that are still to come that will solidify and grow the MAGA movement even more. By the time the election gets close…it will be so massive that any plans to steel as they have before will be impossible! They would have to shut down the counting for a week or maybe weeks! Not going to happen. More likely they would stage a cyber attack, blame it on the boogeyman Russia and tell us that the election system had been hacked and is comprimised….thus rendering the system unuseable…their system…that they control…..election delay or even cancel? Hmmm. Maybe our military could over see this election using good old fashion paper ballots. Voting in one day and counting in one day only if you prove you are a citizen and registered legally to vote. If Trump is goingn to give the power back to the people as he has said…thats done with our vote….and how can he, they…those with him….make sure our vote counts? By getting rid of their rigged, electronic, ballot stuffing system!
If you believe in DJT and the movement….one must go back to his best speech ever before the 2016 election. Where he said…this is not about another 4 year election, it’s about exposing, destroying and replacing a failed, corrupt and rigged establishment system. That includes the banking system. Replacing it with, we the people in control!
Go back…..listen to this….he wasn’t talking about 2016….that was just the beginning. He was talking about NOW! Do you know what the PAUSE is? Well…he brought it up recently. And what was…is the purpose of it. Why did DJT run for President in the first place? Was he asked? By who? Is he by himself? He always says we! Folks….does that mug shot look like a scared man? What is this… irrefutable evidence that he says be has? On and about what? There’s a lot more going on than even has been revealed here on the site….and I have not heard or read very much of it here. Not saying this is not a great place for information because it is. I come everyday. But, there is something going on that is never mentioned here…even as deep as it goes here. Trump is telling us exactly what’s going on. Maybe not yelling it in plain English so all the sheep can hear. You might have to pick your head up out of the pasture and tune in to his words…but then isn’t that the least we can do? Hear it from the one we are behind! The one that we plan on voting for! There s a reason we are seeing what we are seeing….in our face. The ugliness, the immorality, the two tier justice system, the obnoxious leftist insanity, the…threat of war! Nothing shocks one awake more than that the threat of annihilation! The threat to you or your family and loved ones. America is going to have…a near death experience…and it will wake anybody up that is ever going to wake up! Their system needs to come down….and it’s going to be ugly when it happens. Uncomfortable, which is exactly what wakes one up! And the PAUSE…….what is it and what was it for? Hello….anybody? The Great Awakening! Buckle up folks….we are living in a most amazing time…and this IS THE MOMENT!
Why are we pretending like Donald Trump didn’t win the election in 2020? No true MAGA would consider voting for RFK, Jr. in the general election.
Agree on your second sentence.
But the Treehouse knows perfectly well who won 2020.