Let me qualify this post and question by saying this is something I have wanted to ask and write about for quite a while. I often ask this question to people I meet in general life discussion, and I am very interested to hear every response. Today is a great day to ask this…
Think back… So, you are living your life, doing what you and everyone familiar to you are doing in the ordinary and regular way of living your specific life.
Perhaps you paid some attention to the political comings and goings of things, perhaps not.
Perhaps like most comfortably invisible people you were just putting one foot in front of the other, and generally doing the day-to-day things that most would consider ordinary.
Then one day, for some unknown and likely not that consequential reason, something caught your attention. Something piqued your curiosity; perhaps you noticed something you wouldn’t ordinarily have noticed. Perhaps you heard something, or saw something, or were just in a situational space where something itched your brain as you looked at something, heard something or noticed something that just didn’t quite fit or sit right.
Perhaps that little something, or big something, caused you to look just a little bit closer at the story, event or moment with a little more curiosity than before. Perhaps you dug into that specific moment with a little more than a side-eye glance, and you noticed something. After looking at it a little closer, you realized that construct was not at all what it appeared to be on the surface.
From that moment forward, for the first time, you really started to question the ‘thing’ that was in front of you, and from that moment forward, you woke up to recognize that things around you, things you perhaps didn’t pay attention to before, were not what you thought they were. It was from this moment when you really started to pay attention and your political awakening began.
Question: When was that moment for you?
I am always amazed at the replies I get in real life to this question of when the individual awakening began.
For some it was at an early age, for others much later in life. For some it was recently, and for others it was a long time ago. However, for everyone there was that moment when it started, and it is completely unique to the individual.
So, on this day, Sunday February 19, 2023, a generally innocuous day in the grand scheme of things, I pose this question to everyone.
Yes, even all the CTH lurkers who read here and never join the conversation. The comment section is open for all replies with the general rules of on-line decorum still standing. Us old schoolers still use the early internet standards of on-line discussion, and CTH requests polite and civil conversation that enlightens, expands thinking and uplifts the audience.
I am genuinely curious and will be reading every reply because it’s really cool to see what that “moment” was for each person. I’m pretty sure the entire CTH community will also enjoy reading the unique replies to the question.
We all travel a different path. We all come from different, likely comfortably invisible, life experiences. And we all merge into this big melting pot of curious people who are looking deeply at the issues we face. Regardless of how each of us arrived here, the larger dynamic is that we likely share a common curiosity for the reality of our situation. It’s a safe bet to say that almost everyone reading this is in the top-tier of “high information” consumers.
My question is not what arrived you at The Conservative Treehouse, but rather what the moment was when you began looking around and realizing that things just didn’t seem to add up. That’s the origin of the journey. That’s the moment I am inquiring about.
Perhaps it’s a weird way of looking at CTH, but our fellowship is always what has been the most important aspect to this little corner of the internet. It’s not the content of the Treehouse, but the conversation on the porch that matters. You, the readers, friends, people who assemble here, are the important element. Not me and not the site admins.
That’s genuinely the way I have always looked at our fellowship, and that’s also the reason for every detail I put into keeping this little corner of the internet standing.
So, with that in mind, what was that moment in your life when you realized the social, political and/or media narrative, was not at all what it was presented to be?
Love to all,
~ Sundance

I became a suspicious cat when Biden became VP. He was my Senator for the entirety of my childhood. He was Creepy Uncle Joe to those of us in Delaware for a long time. He was always corrupt and never told the truth. Then, when HRC became the SoS after Obama called her (rightfully) “the most corrupt politician in history”, I had questions! My questions started to draw the “you’re just racist” answers very early on. That’s when I turned into “The Researcher” and pretty much kept my political opinions to myself. I do appreciate CTH and all of the interesting and intelligent people that make this site so special. Thank you all!!!
Lurker here 🙂
My military husband and I were married in our mid-thirties on the Saturday after 9/11 in a surreal set of circumstances. That was my first clue.
But 2007 seemed like the last year I held to the idea that my country was the same one I grew up in.
Even now, I refuse to give up my Windows 2007 computer even though it is not connected to the internet anymore. It’s the last time I felt I owned a tech product rather than Big Tech owning me.
We were made painfully aware of the powers that be and groupthink during The Great Recession during which I realized the myth of individual financial decisions and the power of Big Finance.
After 2012 I came to understand the surveillance of the Medical Industrial Complex, as doctor’s visits became data gathering sessions and answers were generated like a kiosk of Big Pharma… and insurance websites blocked my access to my teens’ medical information because someone with an agenda thought it best for the government to ‘protect’ my 13 year old’s ‘privacy.’
Sometime after 2008 social media and texting removed the security of proper introductions and creeps could now crawl in through the the proverbial window of my daughter’s room via bluescreens.
My intel analyst husband advised us to avoid Facebook and social media when it became available. People thought we were crazy. I believe that was discerning and wise, especially in retrospect, but we lost community almost instantly by not following the throngs there. And the others were slaves to the great Oz behind the curtain…
Each one of these steps gradually awakened me to the presence of the ‘Big Club’ traps. And virtually everyone complied.
Since 2020 I am no longer ‘simply’ suspicious or skeptical. After the sheer terror of the last 3 years, I am now at the place, when it comes to the power systems of this world, that about the only thing I utter anymore is ‘Yeah, right, whatever, okay, mm-hmm, sure…’
Many people refer to Orwell’s 1984. E.M. Forster’s short story The Machine Stops feels very relevant as well. To have authentic, digitally unfettered and unsurveilled community seems like a distant memory.
Thanks for asking for our feedback. I am no political genius so I cannot pontificate well with a lot of the posters here.. But I can share the effects of TPTB in one life. I suppose the collection of these responses provides a different sort of perspective … That we are still humans trying to live free, not just a collective group to be managed by one power or another.
The Patriot Act was a gigantic warning bell.
Thank you for your service…you and your family.
Somwhere around 25 years ago…give-or-take……when I began to understand why ‘global warming’ was a hoax. Prior to that I was…..tbh….more concerned with writing research grants and keeping my (biological) research lab going. But it was in that time I became more aware that grants and manuscripts from folks with data that refuted global warming were being rejected outright because they did not tow the government line. That went against every reason that I entered science…….and shortly thereafter the connection between what i was seeing and the desire for global control became obvious. This, I believe, opened my eyes to paying attention to everything that has happened since.
I’ve always been skeptical and generally untrusting of government, but I have to say the Mueller investigation was a massive upgraded black-pill for me. Before that I had always assumed that at least the FBI’s top-tier employees had competence and integrity. After Trump was election, I figured the Russia hysteria, which was always Clinton campaign propaganda to me, would simply die out once some non-partisan, career professionals got involved.
Needless to say, my whole world-view was shattered when I watched the Mueller investigation “leaks” indicate they were actually pursuing all the same, hyper-politicized, ridiculous nonsense being pumped out by CNN, WaPo and nyt. It felt like some crazy fictional government conspiracy novel was becoming reality.
It was mind-blowing to see how fast it happened and how widespread the corruption is, wasn’t it?
I was 17, in 1974. I arrived in Norway for a year as an exchange student at the University of Oslo. Americans were very unpopular with the college set because of OPEC and the Middle East. Most young Norwegians at the time were Mao and Che Guevara adherents.
I engaged in a lot of late night pilsner fueled discussions with my contemporaries, as college students do, and things that I had been told all my life by family, teachers, media, were shredded before my eyes.
It made me more of an America lover, as in the ideals and founding principles of this country, but it made me despise our government past and present.
There were still false narratives over the years that I bought into, pushed by false conservatives and libertarians, as I built a family and career. It took Rush Limbaugh and some others to realign my thinking at critical moments.
Then I found Zero Hedge and The Treehouse, 2 sites willing to take apart and question popular thinking, and here I am.
I have always questioned the party line from when I was a toddler, apparently, but it did take a while to realize the entire edifice, not just parts, were fake and rotten.
TET 1968
Wow. Front row seats a massive deception operation. Glad you made it home.
Another thought…going back further….the car accident involving General Patton.
We used to live in California years ago and I guess that is when I started noticing things but it was not profound It just something was not right then. We left there in 1982 and we were still young in our early 20’s but I knew then I did not want my daughter growing up there even then. I ended up in California being in the Navy and met my wife there who is a native I am from West Virginia. I noticed back then that in the early days of cable that they had different news for each region of the country so I began to wonder why it was and started watching each one and they all had a different message. I was still not onboard so to speak but it did make me look at things a little different. I guess when things really started to get me was when after moving back to the east coast I got involved in the Union and eventually became president of our local and that is when things really started changing for me that was in 2000. I did not run for reelection and was asked by the HR Manager why as they said they liked working with me and we had one of those between me you and the fence post conversations. I saw how things really operated and knew it was all BS and he said they figured it was something like that because I could not continue doing things I did not believe in. Unions are not a bad thing if they are ran for what they were originally intended but those days are long gone. So now here I am very anti union and even more conservative than ever. There are far more things I could cover but I think we all know we are in a war between good and evil.
For me, that “moment” was probably seriously contemplating the question “If this was not not at all like I presumed it to be, then what else might not be true?”, at around 2007-2008 (hard to pinpoint it to any specific date). It was a process spanning several years:
The first preceding (or maybe I should call them “priming”) series of events were mostly related to 9/11 — all the media reactions and everything that followed. I remember being aghast especially at the invasion of Iraq, not so much because of the events themselves, rather because of a vague but extremely disturbing feeling that “something does not add up”. At that time I was unable to put my finger on what exactly was wrong — it was a just surface crack in my previous superficially consistent but rather naive worldview, nothing shattering yet; more akin to a minor crack in windshield.
Then, some years later, I had certain health related issues, and needed to spend a lot of of time (maybe a couple of thousand hours) studying medical literature, in order to regain my health. Long story short, I did indeed get better, but not without noticing the profound corruption of the “science” of mainstream medicine — at that time I remember thinking that the “global medical establishment” might be the most corrupt entity on the planet.
The aforementioned question (“what else might not be true?”) was just natural progression following that initial revelation about the medical establishment.
The years that followed (involving shattered worldviews several times over, and peeking into numerous rabbit holes, well maybe at times more than just “peeking”) made me conclude that I had been wrong — the mainstream medical establishment was probably not the most corrupt entity, even though it stank to high heavens.
I find this question interesting also because it also taught me a certain level of humility (which I was lacking before) — remembering one’s own (multilayered levels of) naivety helps being more compassionate towards people (at least a bit, it can still be frustrating at times), also helps not taking any narrative at face value, ever again (well, good luck with that, as it seems to be part of the “human condition”).
I appreciate your question: “What else might not true?” Thank you.
For me it was the obvious lie about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction. I was shocked that people were accepting the propaganda being pushed by the Media and Bush. I had voted for Bush but I suddenly didn’t believe what we were being told, it didn’t make sense. I then began a journey of realizing much of what we see and read is not true. So glad to be on the other side now, the side of truth, if you dig for it
I’m just like you. I voted for that lying barsteward and then watched him lie our way into Iraq so he could be a bigger man than his loser daddy. I’ll never forgive them, nor myself for being so foolish to believe him.
How were we to know?
1072. I was a Jr. in High School. I had an Econ teacher who spent a few classes discussing taxes, banking, how banks created money, and his view of the impact of the US going off the gold standard. I have been skeptical of anything the government told me ever since.
It’s funny how the “dismal science” has woken up a lot of people.
I see a lot of comments that sight Rush as awaken ing them !
I SURE MISS HIM !
Me to, I miss his voice in the mornings.
My wake-up call was 9/11. I watched Good Morning America every morning, news sprinkled with lighter topics.
At that moment, watching those planes hit the towers, I lost the interest in the fluff and began searching for people who could make sense of what was happening.
I found many different voices who led me to study and read more on our founding fathers, history of governments, and my faith.
I listened to Charles Krauthammer, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck. I didn’t always agree with them, but they informed my prayer life.
Learning about the deep state, Woodrow Wilson, color revolutions, our government’s role in pushing out leaders of other nations and spreading ideologies that were disgusting has been as appalling as it has been eye opening.
With the flood of information, propaganda, and opinions, I turn to leaders of faith, prophets and seers to guide my prayers. I meet with 5 women weekly to study our faith and pray. Conversion and reversion are the paths out. I trust in God the Father, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, the intercession of our Blessed Mother and the saints, and the protection of angels. We are not alone. We were born for this time in history.
CTH is a daily read, and I am grateful for the solid perspective.
Wonderful comment.
Thank you, Barb!
I share your perspective.
It’s comforting, isn’t it?
Confidently knowing that we don’t have to worry about what “the wicked” are doing.
He is ever ruling, even “in the midst of” His enemies, …and your weapon of prayer is more powerful than we can imagine.
It was 1979 on the quad at Boston College. I was a freshman coming from an all boys Jesuit high school. On the quad speaking to gathered students was Father Robert Drinan. Father Drinan was a far Left Democrat member of Congress, who was disobeying his superiors by remaining an elected member of Congress. He was ranting and raving and practically foaming at the mouth. He was warning of a national right wing threat to the nation. Reagan had not yet been elected. The totally unhinged nature of this display by a Catholic priest convinced me that our nation was in the midst of an ideological struggle and that the Left would not be tamed, it needed to be expunged. Here was a lunatic Catholic priest, promoting the protection of abortion, and calling for a hundred fold increase in the size and scope of government. I came from a working class, union, ethnic family from a big city. I vowed from that moment to never be a part of, or give aid to, this ideological madness. I’ve resisted ever since.
Before this experience, I had looked on politics from strictly a horse race perspective. In my Boston Irish neighborhood we were very political, but only to the extent we were expected to vote Democrat. The favored candidates were all like us. They were ethnic, working class, went to church and definitely were not radical. They were culturally conservative, or acted that way. But in the late 70s all that changed. There was no longer such a thing as a Truman type Democrat. All Democrats were expected to mouth the cultural radicalism that the New Left had imprinted on the Democrat party. I loathed the cultural radicalism of the New Left. My parents were solid, simple, hard working immigrants who experienced the cultural upheavels of the 1960s as a great shock. They did not raise me to subvert my religion and culture. I became very alienated from the political culture of my youth, and those who opportunistically threw off their heritage.
Hi. (LONG time fan and lurker)
So for me I was really young. My parents were both born into the depression ie: 1929, and VERY pragmatic about spending money.
One late night my father was watching the election on TV (both parents were Republicans) so maybe it was the RNC? Primary or something.
I remember seeing this big hall, groups carrying their State Sign.
Anyway, at some point this HUGE amount of balloons dropped from the rafters!
Like TONS. And I remember thinking: ‘What a Waste!’
Like who is paying for all that? 😂
And in college I didn’t even go through the usual liberal phase. My boyfriend would give me ‘The Nation’ (I think? Wasn’t that a really left-wing publication?) and it just did NOT make sense to me.
I’m like the wonderful late Joan Rivers. I’m conservative because REALITY is conservative.
Hey, while I’m here. BIG FAN from Brooklyn, NY.
Oh yes, The Nation, it was one of the premier far Left journals, it’s still publishing. It was taken over by the New Left radicals of the 60s. In the late 40s and 50s it’s pages were devoted to defending convicted Communist spies and traitors like Alger Hiss and the Rosenbergs. I had a similar experience and had no “liberal phase” in college. My working class immigrant parents didn’t send me from the Boston neighborhoods to become a dope in college!
Oklahoma City bombing, 9/11, Y2K, Financial Collapse 2008, Obama, Pandemic, Pfizer, Moderna, Twitter Files, Ohio
Being a Federal Target myself, I understand the scope and scale of our Government and their abuses.
Our only hope is Christ.
I pray for our Nation and others.
I pray for peace.
BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.
27 years old watching the 2008 Great Recession and reading Zerohedge woke me up that something was systemically broken, but it was 2009 and Obama that radicalized me politically and red pilled me to the truly evil and fabricated nature of our society.
My father was an immigrant from Cameroon in West Africa (only relevant for what follows) and my white mother is from Ohio so I was familiar with our elites’ disgust at the good people from middle America. Still I was at the level of political and media sophistication where I’d casually go to CNN.com to read headlines. I’d read Manufacturing Consent so I was abstractly aware of media as elite propaganda mechanism, but such ideas seemed distant and hadn’t really fully penetrated my model of reality. I was naturally cynical enough to not fully buy into Hope And Change, but did think this guy was different and would be a sharp departure from Bush policies.
But unlike apparently every other Obama voter in this universe, I watched what he did every single day as he completely sold us out to Wall Street and break every campaign promise. Then I saw him murder the entire country of Libya and realized that could’ve been my father’s country and my all of my family and extended family violently dying because of American foreign policy that seemed tasked with maximizing corruption and death around the world. It made no difference to Obama and his admin. I watched 10’s of 1000s die there. I knew a Libyan guy who’s sister was “assaulted” to death in the chaos. I was in the room when he got the call from his mother in a refugee camp. I saw that as no different than all of my people being murdered by Hillary, Obama, and Biden. Just luck of circumstance they killed that country and not mine.
Obama left me feeling like such a total useful idiot and political imbecile that it caused me to invest ~1 hour a day educating myself on economics, domestic and geopolitics, media criticism, the process of mass mind control. Every day, ever since. I came to detest Obama as I watched 8 years of government propaganda, media disinformation, and millions of clueless NPCs fail to realize they were worshipping evil. 2016 for me was like being surrounded by robots as I’d see fake news being generated in real time and a few days later seeing the narratives I knew were BS emerging from the mouths of the people around me. For instance, I read the Crowdstrike report that summer and with just a computer engineering degree, knew it was complete BS. Then I watched the media go from “suspected Russian hack” to Russian Hack in 1 month based on nothing. They made that lie reality from repetition, so I knew everything that followed was all a lie. I figured that out the first week of that story, so I knew every insider knew it was bogus and was participating in the lie.
Still I didn’t vote for Trump ’16 because after Obama I promised to never support anything unless I completely understood what I was standing behind. I was a wrecking ball advocate but not convinced enough to support the man. It took 18 months of observing and studying Trump everyday to convince me this man was the enemy of every evil force in our global society. That it took me that long as someone who’d spent years studying the reality of globalism and domestic/international politics to finally see it gives me a lot of sympathy for normies who have no model of what is really going on around us. All the more amazing to me that he was able to get as many votes, and increase all of his minority support, in 2020.
Obama was a force to be reckoned with. He told us what he was going to do when/if elected, and then he did it. If he met resistance, he did it anyway. The entire govt apparatus was at his disposal, and his minions used it all. It was breathtaking in a horrific way to watch, wasn’t it?
Bill Clinton/Tony Blair 2.0. Black Edition.
Really the ultimate politician. Charming, competent, effective, a total narcissistic liar, corrupt to the core, and a pawn of darker forces. The absolute worst among us.
When I was 17 years old, which was 50 years ago
What a great question Sundance. Reading many of the responses below, it appears that many have had a tipping point and then events over time just keep adding to the foundation of the fortress they end up building for themselves. It was that way with me. My single mom has never met a democrat she would not vote for. As a young political science student at a state university in the late 70’s I asked her why. Her rapid response was, ” it’s how I put bread on our table.” Period. She was her departments union rep at a large grocery company. She never questioned the party line, ever… I had two professors who did encourage us to question things. They always had the same two basic questions. Does that make sense? If you do X, what is the likely outcome given what you know about people in general? I’ve never stopped asking myself those two questions. Probably the most direct advise I’ve ever heard came from the great George Carlin. ” It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it.” True in many ways, but as Sundance often reminds us, there are a LOT of us. Many more of us than them. We all just need to do something that actually makes a difference.
11 March 2011.
Fukushima. The lies and misinformation. Being military in Japan and watching the events through our response and the information that was shared when and with who.
9/11
In the early nineties, with the late, great Rush Limbaugh. I listened one day at the request of my Mother, from then on I was a student. His voice, his humor, his insight matched exactly with my strong beliefs. My kids even listened when in the car. He would give a warning if he would something spicy. Truly a God given blessing to us. I miss him daily and the parodies, common on, hilarious. “Talent on loan from God”, with a deep faith he never shied away from.
I’m an Italian guy and I’ve always been in love with the American Dream as Hollywood sells it to us. About 6 years ago I started watching Dave Rubin, Steven Crowder and DW on youtube and got hooked on the “culture wars”.
Until 2020 I was still a normie who believed that W. Bush had been an excellent President, I refused to really delve into the alleged plots/conspiracies (JFK assassination, fake moon landing, controlled demolitions…)
After Fraud2020 I realized that something was wrong, in 2021 I didn’t fall into vaccine fraud and I compromised many personal relationships to defend myself from the aggressions that we no vax have suffered. I discovered this site and realized who I shouldn’t trust (the Shapiros)
The last waking (and painful) moment was realizing that 9/11 was an inside job. After that, I understood that there is no real democracy. As Much as I Love PDJT, I Know Even He Could Never Debunk 9/11 Or Lethal Vaccines.
I started a couple of years ago to watch and love Chinese TV series: you may not believe me, but the messages spread by the Chinese Communist Party are very similar to the conservative values of us redneks and social conservatives.
Of course, I know that they, like us, are a ruthless dictatorship, but at least in China or Russia, the younger generations have grown up respecting normality and decency. I really don’t understand how many conservatives still look at US-made crap.
This is where I am now. I really hope that Putin conquers Europe, or that you Americans manage not to let your elections be stolen again. But I know Uniparty is indestructible.
When Bush Sr bombed Iraq, I started listening to Rush. I was already a conservative but that was when I knew that something was wrong.
Then in 2012 I worked a local precinct as a clerk, and I saw the most rampant election fraud. I went immediately to the next election commission meeting, stood up and told stories of what I had witnessed, wrote letters, including one to my Gov. Nickki Haley, and not one person responded. I then realized elections are not serious. Obama had hardly campaigned for reelection because he knew he would win. How??
Since then it has gotten so much worse, and the culture rot is unbelievable. All pushed by dems, media accomplices, and govt. I keep wondering what will be THE ISSUE where Americans say we will stand up, they have crossed the rubicon, and begin to turn our country around.
God help us!
Donald Trump. At some point after he announced his candidacy in 2015. At first I thought he was the caricature he seems. Then I started listening and following him on Twitter. I went to a rally in June 2016. At that point I was listening to not only Trump, but others: Lindsey Graham, Ben Carson, various people on Twitter. I would figure out who I liked and who I didn’t. It took a long time to figure out who was fake, GOPe and who was earnest. I’m not a blind Trump follower, he signed a spending package that was a huge disappointment and seems unable to hire true allies. But flawed as he is, he the only one I think can get the US out of the mess we’re in.
Hi Sundance,
A Long, Long time Ago in a Galaxy far, Far Away!!!…. It Started… It all started when I started to crawl out from under the Catholic School Brainwashing dogma of those Grade school years……. ‘Ya start asking Questions only to find out that the only person that can answer them is “YOURSELF!!!!!!!” It’s been one Hell-of-a-Ride!!! If’n ya’ got some time and don’t mind meeting me at ‘THE BAR’ … you know.. that Place George Carlin talked about in his skit about the meeting place for people who hate their job!!! ‘Got a tale or two to tell as long as the barkeep doesn’t run out of Beer and Whiskey!!!! …. Just fixed a fresh “High-Ball” so here goes…
Had a lot of Questions then I got to “VIETNAM!!” …Answers… still took a while.. well ya’ think something may be the answer but wait…. Tricky Dick “RESIGN’S THE PRESIDENCY!!!” .. Presidents aren’t suppose to resign… they’re suppose to either die in office or get voted out!!!!!…Hmmmmm? … and On and On… I knew there was always the deal like when Dorothy and Crew finally found out “OZ was FAKE” but it took the little Dog TOTO to “PULL THE CURTAIN BACK!!!!”
Well I just “Keep on Truckin'” .. knowing there is more than the lamestreammedia lets on… ‘found my own sources…. One thing for sure .. ya’ don’t have to back up “TRUTH” with any lie’s… TRUTH IS TRUTH… LIE’S, on the other hand have to be backed up with more lies,… and more and more……..
Well…. Ever since… the TRUTH was/is there for you to see… it’s just up to you to KNOW IT!!!
So, Yes I knew.. way back when…. but then …. as “TIME” led up to “NOW” … You know the drill… as the sayin’ goes,”It’s too late to try to work within the system but too early to shoot the bastards!!!!’ I forget who said that but there it is!!! Meanwhile, back at the Ranch… “DID YOU get your SHOTS!!!!!!!???” Oh,.. no…. and you won’t… that’s OK…. Ya’ think that Fiasco was something… just wait till the next Train Wreck….
What Train Wreck???????????????
“The time for war has not yet come, but it will come, and that soon; and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabard.”
-“Stonewall” Jackson-
I leave you with that,
skybill
I started to wake up at 27 years old, the first time I heard Rush Limbaugh on the radio in 1992. I didn’t agree with him 100%, but he made a lot of sense. As I watched Billy Jeff Clinton escape justice, it occurred to me that maybe Congress didn’t have our best interests at heart. I voted for Lyin’ George in 2k and left the GOP in ’03 when he lied us into Iraq.
When I was in the service 77-81
“You have to pass the bill to read the bill.”
That was when I realized our government was up to no good.
1969-1970 Reading a book called future shock. It was reaffirmed in 1972 in the Navy reading daily Intel reports and then watching the news. The difference was alarming. It was 8 years of learning a lot about what I can never talk about and places I can never go to and why.
perot. but, Im slow. the treehouse is my forever home now.
California Prop 187… to deny benefits to illegal aliens was shot down. It made sense to me and as a school teacher I watched all my teacher buddies come out and start telling me how unfair this was. I knew then something other than what was right was foing on.
I was stationed overseas in the 70’s when the military decided everyone needed a swine flu vaccination. I couldn’t connect any dots of reason as to why we needed the vaccine, while stationed long term away from home, and after several people I worked and lived with had very bad reactions to that vaccine and were discharged from the service, a lightbulb switched on for me. It wasn’t right.
I would listen to Paul Harvey at lunch during that time, and to hear great American words being spoken by Mr. Harvey while living in a life directly of the government, I could feel a big disconnect between the two; I started questioning everything from then on.
It is unreal how far it’s come.
I’m guessing that I, like many others, saw the light when I found Rush during the Clinton era. I was always a bit skeptical of my government and the media (but I repeat myself) but Rush validated all of that for me.
I miss that man.
Rush Limbaugh start
G Edward Griffin speech ??
Building 7 confirmation
It was fifty years ago. I would say the start was probably When Nixon had the national guard shoot at anti war protestors at Kent State killing 4 students May 4, 1970 everything after that was suspect.
for me it was the full body scanners after 9/11, the whole Michael Chertoff thing.
Then bringing Paulson in for the TARP bailout, hearing about Fannie Mae, Franklin Raines, the whole deal.
Then really went over the edge on day one of Obama’s term when the first thing they did was try to pass the cap & trade/carbon tax scam.
I don’t think I fully understood the scope of the uniparty joke until Romney threw the second debate against Obama.
That one is easy. It was in the Reagan administration, probably in 1988. I remember the happening but not the specific time. I bought a book that intrigued me. I read it over and over until it fell apart. Then I bought and read the follow up. It made everything make sense. I began to see the disorder of almost everything in the principles from that book. The book is not a political book. It is a book about work. It is about how people and businesses build complex systems that seem to grow uncontrollably on their own. Everything feeds everything but each part of the system has only one purpose, to keep the system alive and running. It is true with machines, production systems, bureaucracies, and governments. The more complex the system, the more parts there are to interact, the more likely it is that the system has become complex to the point that no one understands how it continues to work, but it does. The process can never be stopped painlessly. There are too many people that depend on it continuing.
The foundational principle is easy. “The purpose of a system is what it does.” It may not be what it was originally intended to do. It is not what they say it is for or what it is called. Its purpose is what it does. Every component and part contributes to this purpose or it is discarded or redesigned. A recent example is FEMA and the Ohio tragedy. Everyone is taught to think that FEMA is an emergency management agency, but that is only the title. Its real purpose is in what it actually does and any intelligent observer can see that it involves itself in emergencies only to the extent that it can maintain its power within the larger organization. If it occasionally has to do emergency stuff to maintain a pretense, it will. But its real purpose is to serve the machine that feeds it and keeps it running.
The book is “Have Fun at Work” by William L. Livingston and the follow up is “Friends in High Places.” Every time I see your artwork of the sewer with the high rise and the workers living in hovels, I am reminded of the cover art from the first book. The second book shows a workplace with everyone controlled by strings. Once you see them they cannot be unseen. You can see both at Amazon. The writer is an engineer. It is a tough read as he writes like an engineer.
I also learned that I needed an antidote. The big muddy of complex systems that are the mechanisms of evil people will drag one down into depression and anger. The antidote is God. In all of the vast, incomprehensible nature of God, God’s system for us is pretty simple. His principles are easily understood and require no complex machines or software. They are eternal and fixed. We are the ones that thy to make them difficult and complex. Every time that I think it is impossible to go on and that the world is going to destroy me and everything else, when I finally turn to God I get a very simple message from God, “Don’t be afraid. I’ve got this.” It keeps me sane.
My reply got too long. Sorry.
You did fine, just fine.
I too thought it was just fine.
Bravo!!
Good vibes…VibeMan.
May 4, 1970, when I was a senior in high school, the Kent State shootings happened, and my skeptical nature and view of the world became firmly ingrained. More recently, when the violent protests in Portland, Oregon began IMMEDIATELY after the 2016 election, I realized without a doubt that something was very, very wrong in our country.
It is a natural outcome of too many parents abdication their roles to public schools, TV and pop music.
In 1988 a friend introduced me to the Rush Limbaugh program. He said hey man you might like this guy, He’s fun to listen to. A week later I was a dittohead for the rest of Rush’s life. I miss his take on life and politic’s more every day. I would say he woke me up at the tender age of 32. Thanks for asking, Sundance
It was slowly and then all at once. In the early 1980’s I entered the work force and realized that stealing was a business model. Then in 1996, I realized how dull(to be polite) the American people are when Ross Perot plainly told people that a giant sucking sound of manufacturing jobs was going to occur and people didn’t have enough commonsense to see or care. But the big moment came on 8/7/2007 when I was day trading. The markets went crazy and I turned on CNBC and I could see the fear in the faces of the commenters. The markets ended up unchanged, but I knew something was terribly wrong and when I looked for the reason and saw the banking issues I was very concerned. However, despite what I found and certainly people much smarter than I must have known, the markets climbed till 10/31/2007. That is when I realized just how rigged things are. The clincher was the death of Scalia and the way no one investigated his death, then came Seth Rich and the way the gov’t wouldn’t investigate Hillary and treated Trump and suddenly I realized that the fall of man in Genesis 3, that original sin of, “you will be like god” wasn’t just an individual fall but a corporate one. All the man made systems and institutions eventually turn into a lie. We are at that point in human history were a handful of people believe they are “god”. We are much closer to the end of the age then the majority of people realize. My advise, look up and get your house in order.
Thanks for all your hard work on this site, having a place to look at events in truth is a huge gift, it makes the insanity a little more tolerable.
Mr. (B)Green, I’m paying for this mike! Saturday, February 23, 1980.
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I didn’t care about or think about politics much at all until Trump started talking about illegal immigration and telling the truth.
Blew me away and made me hope that there might just be one person who could fix DC.
I will always love him for telling the truth no matter what anybody says about him.
Advent of the internet.
Didn’t get the hype. Didn’t understand it.
Example: When Facebook was created, didn’t understand the hype.
To me Facebook was like the letter in the Christmas card from relatives you hardly see.
Everything sound great, but it isn’t.
Cousin Billy is taking a year off to ‘find’ himself; which translate to, Billy is in jail again, will be released in a year.
All ‘enhanced’ truths and lies.
I am lucky that I am 58 years old. I had an education and experiences before the internet.
I did not take the jab. My decision was based solely on knowledge I gained before the internet existed
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There were many situations in government that I thought over the years were shady, and I was disappointed to realize that George Bush wasn’t who I thought he was; in particular, when he said, Bill Clinton was his brother from another mother
Along with the war in the Middle East, that seem to last forever, instead of winning the war, he allowed those soldiers to get maimed and die on a continuous basis. Then the hypocrite rode mountain bikes with the injured coming back from the war
As if that made it all OK
But what did it for me and I don’t really remember the occasion was the photo of George Bush, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama laughing and yakking it up
I knew them that our government was a farce
Short answer when Obama was elected president you could tell he had a agenda.
My awakening came in stages really like a seed sprouting, drafted in 1969 and upon arrival in VN realized that all was not as it seemed and that the American public was being lied to, then 9/11 and the Patriot Act, the lack of weapons of mass destruction, the election of BHO, the re-election of BHO. And here I am, a boomer rube deplorable ungovernable malcontent and domestic extremist.
The media treatment of Sarah Palin. Then I joined the teaparty.
The very first public release of the Zapruder film.
And STILL they lie!
When Obama survived the Jeremiah Wright scandal in 08 ,I believe- I thought for sure he would be done- when he wasn’t, I said, uh oh- soon after I read Diana west book American betrayal, and became wide eyed and sickened at the level of corruption within our government for years- my father was a Marine Corp, combat veteran of the Korean War- always despised communism- he died in 1992- he would recognize this country- I grieve, myself, but put my hope and faith in the return of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
Not recognize