Do they want a civil war? It might sound good around the DC cocktail party circuit, whipped into a frenzy by the Lawfare crowd, but the outcome would not be in their interests.
Given the severity of manipulative politics and DC based media in the past several years, I would not take the Washington Post article at face value.
WaPo represents the interests of the Intelligence Community side of the deep state apparatus.
Everything the WaPo creatures write is part of an advanced and coordinated DC engineering effort that has multiple motives; the face value of the one they present is never the real agenda.
We all know why they want Donald Trump removed as a threat to their echo-chambered system of corruption and governmental graft. The entire DC system, including the Stasi DOJ and FBI state police, is based on financial influence, power, greed and corrupt sales of offices. Donald Trump always represented a disruption to their scheming and conniving systems. That motivating truth has never changed.
According to the Washington Post, the DOJ is now putting witnesses in front of a grand jury to solicit evidence to support a “seditious conspiracy” charge against President Trump for attempting to overthrow the United States government and Joe Biden.
WaPo – […] There are two principal tracks of the investigation that could ultimately lead to additional scrutiny of Trump, two people familiar with the situation said, also speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
The first centers on seditious conspiracy and conspiracy to obstruct a government proceeding, the type of charges already filed against individuals who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 and on two leaders of far-right groups, Stewart Rhodes and Henry “Enrique” Tarrio, who did not breach the Capitol but were allegedly involved in planning the day’s events.
The second involves potential fraud associated with the false-electors scheme or with pressure Trump and his allies allegedly put on the Justice Department and others to falsely claim that the election was rigged and votes were fraudulently cast.
Recent subpoenas obtained by The Post show that two Arizona state legislators were ordered to turn over communications with “any member, employee, or agent of Donald J. Trump or any organization advocating in favor of the 2020 re-election of Donald J. Trump, including ‘Donald J. Trump for President, Inc.’ ”
No former president has ever been charged with a crime in the country’s history. In cases when investigators found evidence suggesting a president engaged in criminal conduct, as with Richard M. Nixon and Bill Clinton, investigators and successive administrations concluded it was better to grant immunity or forgo prosecution. One goal was to avoid appearing to use government power to punish political enemies and assure the tradition of a peaceful transfer of power. (read more)
One big note of caution on this entire ridiculous narrative… especially as it pertains to the media construct…. Please, keep in mind that Democrats are getting crushed right now by their own constituents. Democrat politicians are deflated and disillusioned as the people are not happy with the current state of the economy or society overall.
Democrats have been reduced to a small section of the most extreme-leftists and blue-haired suburban leftist women riddled with guilt. That’s the base now. Everyone else is demoralized and deflated. Morale in democrat circles is terrible.
With that in mind, this type of narrative engineering by the political media can also be looked at as an effort to boost morale. Not much more.
Personally, despite knowing how over-the-top totalitarian these DC people have become, I do not see them wanting armed conflict with more than half of the country. An attempt to criminally convict President Trump would be the first shot in a civil war. It would not, and will not, end well.
Whenever I hear talk of a hot civil war (I believe we have been in a cold one since at least President Trump took office), I remember an interview Raymond Arroyo did with Jim Caviezel at Franciscan University during the premier of “Paul, Apostle of Christ” filmed on March 15, 2018. Caviezel recounted how he had spoken with many in Hollywood who were hoping for a civil war.
The powers that be have had a plan for some time–which makes me think of the Mike Tyson quote,”Everybody’s got a plan until they get punched in the face.”
The Caviezel quote starts shortly after the 29.00 minute mark. Actually the whole panel interview is worth a watch.
Jesus also said a tree is known by its fruits, and the fruits of 0bama’s communism is crime, poverty, and death everywhere and always–but especially Democrat-controlled cities recently.
Maybe this will be a good thing. It may just be the ultimate catalyst to get this thing kicked off, where we will be inspired to do whatever is necessary to destroy this tyranny. If you’re not ready, get ready. The victory is ours!
I wish that the catalyst would have been any number of the bright flaming hot red lines that have already been crossed (like forced medical procedures, the loss of vote, etc) rather than what may or may not happen to PDT… the future of the republic is about a lot more than one man, and I think this all makes it easier for others to dismiss the principles that stand behind it.
That said, I think I understand the more human aspect of it. and perhaps its why nothing has happened to this point… people need a FACE, a PERSONALITY to stand behind.
so be it.
Trump said “They’re not really after me. They’re after you. I’m just in the way.” This is not just about one man.
That is correct. If we let them take down Donald Trump without so much as a whimper, then guess who they’re coming for next?
If we let them take down our president Trump and not lift a finger to fight then we deserve our demise.
There will be no hot civil war in the USA. The people were too lazy and or cowardly to stand up when so many atrocities were perpetrated upon them. Fake charges for years against a president, an election completely compromised, forced medical resulting in untold suffering and death, economy in shambles, traitorous government selling our reserves to our enemies, there will be no end to this, because the people are the only ones who CAN end it, and as I said, they are to lazy and or cowardly.
please do not underestimate the quiet ones having learned the hard way. the quiet mind your business ones are the ones to be feared. the loud boisterous “bad” boys are predictable.
at nearly 77. i am ready, will, and more than able to be on the front line on the march into DC. ONCE WE GET THERE. WE WILL NOT LEAVE. THEY CAN NOT KILL US ALL, THEY CAN’T PUT US ALL IN JAIL THERE IS NOT ENOUGH LAND TO BURY ALL OF US AND THEY REALLY DONOT THINK THE ARMED SERVICES WILL TRY TO STOP US. AT LEAST THEY SHOULD NOT THINK THAT!!. JUST THE NUMBERS VOTED IN 2020 FOR TRUMP WILL OVERRUN AND CONTROL ALL OF DC AND THE SURROUNDING AREA. AN YES THERE WILL BE MANY THAT WILL HELP US WITH FOOD WATER AND PLACES TO REST.
I CALLED AG GARLAND LAST EVENING AND LEFT A MESSAGE. ASKING HIM PLEASE RETHINK ANY THOUGHT OF INDICTING, PROSECUTING OR TRIAL OF PRESIDENT TRUMP. I EXPLAINED, THAT HE REALLY DID NOT WANT TO OPEN THAT CAN. I WAS POLITE AND FRIENDLY WITH A TONE OF CERTAINTY TO THE OUTCOME SHOULD HE PROCEED. IT IS NOW UP TO THE DOJ.
DEOVINDICE
You need not be courteous with Bozo Garland for he, too, is a mindless gutless puppet.
Merrick Garland is a shabby, scummy low class piece of shyster trash.
He sicced the FBI on concerned parents nationwide, so that his son in law could sell some textbooks.
There is a Rubicon and a camels in this country it’s just a matter of time.
Trump is not the cause, he is only a leader and symbol. Yet he is vital because he is the only one so many know is on our side.
Ammo up folks!
Money and bullets always tell the truth.
Yes ammo up & remember ” Money Talks, bullsh!t walks.”
Yep, money, in all its forms and facets, if often a more potent weapon than a firearm or destructive device. If more ordinary people only realized how well-armed they are. Such is life.
I think it would start with a truckers strike, turned over trailers on the road, pumped full of cement, blocking food and fuel from reaching hostile cities: the centers of power for the forces of corruptions.
Soon obstacles of steel beams and cement, ‘dragon’s teeth’ would proliferate. Bridges would fall, bulldozers leave impassable ditches. Supply for their cities by barge and ship would fail as the waters filled with obstacles.
Let them come out, hungry and cold, to you. If the patriots of Lexington and Concord had tried to march into Boston at the start, the American Revolution would have ended on day two.
Every time a Challenger rumbles by on the way to another field, I remember Marvin Heemeyer.
The distance between peace and war can be exceedingly short. Everything and every skill currently used for peaceful pursuits can be directed to war.
In Marvin’s case he took the war to the town and did a good job of destroying part of it without killing anyone, apparently because killing people wasn’t his mission.
Then we have Richard Russell and the Horizon Dash-8. Short distance between suicide by airliner and woofing Bill Gates house on Lake Washington.
Yep.
I’m right behind u Ocifer! GeronimoooooOink
This what we are dealing with now.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/were-very-angry-fire-stricken-liberals-freak-after-ca-militia-group-provides-disaster-aid
“It appears that liberals would rather burn, starve, or freeze than take evacuation assistance from someone on the other side of the political aisle… “
I’m for them exercising this choice
I accept their terms.
I missed the part where Antifa and BLM offered to help the fire victims…guess they don’t care.
Weren’t there reports that Antifa members were in the area when some of the CA fires started?
You have it backwards. Those groups CREATE the fire 🔥 victims!
Let ‘em burn
Is that pathetic? We are so divided— or at least encouraged to believe that script.
I have had people of all ages and ethnicities help me throughout my life. I have reciprocated in kind.
With the complete disinformation projected by the MSM — how do we really know percentages— and how many people buy into the b.s.?
Bingo. The Dem rank & file have been incited against a straw man , and are without a clue….they couldn’t find their a$$ with an Indian guide and a flashlight. Only a relatively small percentage of us have a handle on what the plutocrats are doing and why.
Fine. Let’s do that. First defense move; move the trial out to Florida, or Arizona, maybe Texas. Then, discovery. All cell calls, texts, emails, of Pelosi, Schiff, Cheney, Capitol police, all so far Capitol building, hidden video, etc., etc.
Roger Smith: July 27, 2022 10:07 am: “Fine. Let’s do that. First defense move; move the trial out to Florida, or Arizona, maybe Texas. Then, discovery. All cell calls, texts, emails, of Pelosi, Schiff, Cheney, Capitol police, all so far Capitol building, hidden video, etc., etc.”
Multiple charges will be filed against President Trump and his election fraud advisors in federal and state courts in venues certain to convict him, and them, regardless of the how ridiculous are the charges and regardless of how flimsy or non-existent is the evidence.
No judge in any court where these charges are filed will agree to a change in venue. These judges will also do what was done in the Steve Bannon trial and will strip the defense of the legal arguments needed to justify the decisions Trump and his advisors made before and after January 6th.
OK, what happens next after the show trials have concluded and all the defendants have been convicted? All of the defendants, including President Trump, will be jailed while the appeal process moves forward.
Biden is at the top of a completely lawless regime. That regime has shown time and again that it will stop at nothing to keep itself in power — up to and including arresting and jailing its political opponents, including a former President of the United States.
Let’s also not delude ourselves that the Democratic Party’s true blue rank and file would have any reservations whatsoever about arresting and jailing a former president in a purely political act. I myself haven’t met a single one of these true blue Democrats who wouldn’t loudly cheer Donald Trump’s arrest, conviction, and incarceration. Not a single one.
Exactly, that’s why if you have anything to do with Democrats you are giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Remember that aunt, brother, neighbor, etc. that you think is ok, if a Democrat, would gladly jail an innocent person for their political views – maybe not you but anyone who thinks like you that they don’t know personally.
The true blue Democrats who are my neighbors and co-workers wouldn’t have the slightest reservation about having me arrested and jailed if they thought this would serve the interests of their socialist agenda. That is true even of some relatives who are in the true blue Democratic Party camp.
This is why the emergence of a civil war which goes beyond mere words is a real possibility. As far as the Democrats are concerned, we in the MAGA movement are their inferiors morally and intellectually and so we deserve whatever happens to us.
Many of them would jail their own family members and friends.
I believe the bioweapon operation was a test of that conditioning.
I know, Lulu. My own brother would probably squeal on me. They really don’t have any sense.
Do you see the Republicans trying to stop this? I don’t.
And those “judges” will face the wrath of an army of Peppermints. I think most people in power know that will be the final straw. They will not go down that path.
Exactly. They don’t want to create a martyr; they will use what they always use; courtrooms to amplify their voices, laws to silence Trump’s voice, shutting down the Rallies to silence his supporters voices. Gone will be the internet videos of tens of thousands unified and cheering.
Primary crowds evidencing Trump’s influence over voters only convicts Democrats; they have no intention of losing any of the powers they have now. Democrat’s campaign messages have been “Whatever it takes.” Who is listening to what that implies?
I see our massive error is our cheering and assumption there will continue to be elections and that Trump will be ‘allowed’ to ever be President again. I have believed everything will be unpacked to secure Trump and end his influence which is dependent on his words, and his opposition will continue to silence him until they do.
Isn’t the transparency of their plan enough to sober us? We report and complain but we don’t dent their political and legal armor. What would Trump supporters do differently NOW if they believed what I believe and the Battleship in Michigan said?
Pray for an ethical and honorable Judge and Jury. Pray for truth to have the loudest voice in the room. Pray God’s Will enters the hearts and minds of the People who vote on the Juries and in the booths. Pray for God’s Justice, for God Himself said, “My People do not ask Me for Justice.” Injustice is unhindered, though the People fill the streets and seats, if God is not asked our dependance is on our own will and voices.
Liz Cheney’s indifference to criticism’s of her J6 investigation evidences Trump is the target. Not to discredit him but to silence him. 2022 or 2024 is not their focus; 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028… is the brass ring. To never lose the power they’ve crafted over decades while we trusted what they let us hear.
To underestimate Liz Cheney’s goal to save herself and her party, for the rewards of delivering Trump to a secure court of their choice to imprison him, is risky self deception.
Especially those liberals like in California who refused help just because it was coming from the right. I don’t have patience with this ridiculous behavior. It’s just plain stupid. Before I thought they were dumb….now I KNOW they are.
Once again the infuriating spectacle of the people who REALLY were part of a seditious conspiracy to overthrow the government accusing the target of the conspiracy of their own crimes.
That’s what the left does (See Saul Alynsky’s “Rules for Radicals”, a Democrat favorite dedicated to the first radical… Satan, of course)– “Always accuse the enemy of what you are already doing.”
Bingo
Our “government” has been at war with US since they brought Dominion here in 2010. In 2012, nobody could believe Obama got re-elected after Benghazi. I don’t think he did. I seem to remember him chiding Americans who thought a presidential election could be stolen. He was telegraphing. People who still don’t see it are willfully ignorant. This war will continue, even if we don’t put up a fight. How many citizens have they genocided with the jabs and the collpase of the medical system? The lying media are traitors in all of this, too. We are beset on all sides by the enemy. These traitors will never stop, because they know the punishments for their crimes. They know!
I’ve never believed he “won.” I vote in a 90% black precinct. In 2008 for the first time ever there was a line to vote – out the door and down the street. In 2012, it was back to no line – walk straight in and vote.
Since JFK was assassinated.
They will stop when they begin losing family members.
If the DC Dumbocrats get their wish and start a civil war by convicting Trump, they will find out just how PISSED OFF we the American people are at them. It will not end well, for sure…for them. We are many, they are few. And the majority of the military and law enforcement will join us. Why do you think the Biden cabal is purging the military and neutering law enforcement? This is not a calculus problem.
Why do you think the Biden regime is importing hundreds of thousands of military age men over the border? Who would gladly kill us all for money.
no offense meant, but IMO it is incredibly naïve to think the military and police will be on the side of the people.
As long as they are fed their bread and circuses (paycheck and pension) and propaganda, they will follow orders to the tune of 90% or more. Unless you/we are actively engaging them to think about what their stance will be when the moment comes… they will go with the moment.
I wrote that somewhere quite a while back and boy did I get attacked on all sides by outraged conservatives. No one wants to believe they’ll go along with the Leftist tyranny. I guess I just have less faith in humans than many.
Yes, active duty military and LEO’s should be expected to follow their chain of command. That’s actually a good thing, it means they’re predictable in the tactical sense.
Ex-mils and ex-LEO’s, there are tens of millions of them, different situation. More wild cards there. Since ex-military have more experience in combat and war, generally, that would be my focus.
In watching the convoys and current 1776’ers, I noted/note a lot of ex-military among the groups, particularly in the logistics and security areas, and of most age groups.
One big difference in a domestic war versus a foreign war, when dad was in Italy killing Fascists, we were safe at home in America. If the military comes after us, there’s millions of us and intelligence will find their families and in war nothing is off the gameboard.
We saw the threat matrix during the J6 run-up when BLM paid Josh Hawley’s wife and newborn a nighttime visit. That’s what government mercenaries do. Learn from it. Use it.
They have families too. That’s when we see who has the guts to proceed and who doesn’t.
We can count on them analyzing the potential threat and working out methods to neutralize it. Still, there’s nothing quite like fear of death tugging at one’s elbow to keep things interesting. That’s what the American Communists and their collaborators have yet to experience. Patton had a saying about that, heh.
Myself, my family is dead. Covid and cancer has taken out many of my friends. Life is short. The old and slow have purpose too. The brain can make up for a myriad of shortfalls.
For those of us who haven’t memorized every acronym or belonged to every organization, what the heck is an LEO?
Law enforcement officer
Yeah, that ain’t gonna happen. They will walk away first
With all the cops in this country who’ve protected Antifa and BLM during riots and gone after anyone who fought back against them or even dared to defend themselves, how can you even say that? Add to that the new “woke”military and yes, they WILL go along with it. Being a cop or in the military doesn’t preclude being a Leftist or a go-along-to-get along type. Let’s just hope all the cops and soldiers who have either been fired or kicked out or left willingly because they couldn’t go along with this bllsht anymore gravitate to the Red states, because we’re going to need them. Remains to be seen how many stay with the Left or come over to us.
Exactly. Look at china. The whole police state works for them because about the only thing they fund are the police and security forces who are willing to do it because the government keeps them afloat. This is no different.
I wish they would hurry up while I still have enough health left to crawl into position.
Health is wealth. Those of us who sacrificed other aspects of life to battle the bioweapon operation gained a small margin of it. I thank God every day for health. We’re on a mission.
Wha??? I highly doubt the majority of the military and law enforcement would join us. I’d trust my County Sheriff much more than City Police.
Bingo.
US Marshalls and County Sheriffs are the only LEO’s I trust anymore.
City and State Police officers, I review on a case by case basis.
The police earned that.
I don’t trust city cops at all. State police/CHP forget it. All at the public trough. County Sheriff is the line.
Yep, and where I live we know where the Sheriff lives and what school his kids go to. I’d forgotten how much I loved rural Sheriffs. It’s like time travel back to a different era.
OSP, there’s only a couple hundred of them and I can’t recall even seeing one in recent years. I remember when Brown wanted them to go get those GOP’ers who ‘escaped’ to Idaho to avoid a quorum for legislation. That was a hoot. And I’ll never forget it was them who shot up LaVoy Finnicum out there near Malheur. Never.
Because the elected city Mayor’s are in charge of the City’s Police.
I do not see them wanting armed conflict with more than half of the country.
Which is why they are goading Trump supporters to shooting first – or kidnapping a governor. The GOPe needs some sort of political cover to get on board with a gun confiscation/buy back program to get as many off the street as possible.
And do not underestimate the UN’s willingness to send in the blue helmets to help keep the peace afterwards.
Blue is really easy to line up in sights. Great contrast.
Ha – I was thinking the same thing.!
Another advantage we’d have on the UN troops (and maybe even some of our current batch of troops) is that those helmets will stick up a little higher due to the high heels they are wearing.
In reality, they’ve been killing us for a long time, whether via law enforcement, mercenaries, bioweapons, you name it. Never mind the tyranny and oppression and destruction of our physical and mental health.
We’ve yet to truly fire a shot, euphemistically, in defense. Yet.
I hope when that shot is fired, it’s like the last scene in the Hunger Games trilogy. “When you are in the arena, remember who the real enemy is.”
I urge caution! I long believed the left should be careful of what they clearly wish for, but something has crystallized over the past several years. The left is far better organized than the right. They also have nearly all means of communication in their corner. Unless, we the people learn how to organize and create “Acorn” like organizations for organizing at the grassroots level. We can have all the ammo and firepower we want, but without communication their is no coordination. This must be corrected.
I have a different perspective. the only organization I see on the left is with the money at the top.
Cut the snakes heads off and the useful idiots will descend into anarchy amongst themselves. They cannot help it. The leftist malcontents have to blame and destroy everyone else for their failures. Including their fellow leftists when things go wrong.
My opinion. YMMV
Need to also take over the MSM as well. They are the enemy of the people.
Well, we let the one Tokyo Rose, an American, live, so there’s that.
Like soldiers, people can be trained to ignore propaganda. Heck, this thread is a great exercise in that. Sift through it and discern for oneself what is the propaganda and what is one’s personal truth. Free will. That’s what we’re fighting for, the preservation of free will and the freedom to make individual choices.
Indeed the MSM fake news pushers would be Public Enemy #1.
They would all need to be neutralized ASAP, as an initial priority.
Yeah, maybe, but how you going to get to the snakes to cut off their heads?
yup.
millions will count for nothing if each of us is fighting from our basement. our self-reliance and individualism is not our strength in what is to come.
That’s why I keep telling conservatives to get to a Red state. We need to be with our own kind and begin preparing. My family and I drove from Washington state to Florida in an RV to be where the people are mostly sane and give a dmn about the Constitution. One poster on Gab was attacking people fleeing blue states awhile back, accusing them of running out and being cowards. I don’t think there’s anything cowardly about seeking out your own people for a conflict that is coming and told her so. She never responded, so I don’t know if I convinced her or not.
You most certainly gave her something to consider – as well as everyother person who read that thread.
We are staying. California (the golden goose) is worth fighting for.
Good luck. I hope there are plenty more like you, because you’re in a Blue Hell on that coast. We had no compunction about leaving Washington. Not our state, not our people. Oh, there were some who were okay, but my God, the crazies definitely outnumber the sane ones. Except in eastern Washington and I wouldn’t live there for love nor money due to the climate. Ugly place, too. We’re hillbillies from West Virginia and are SO DMN GLAD to be back among southern people. No better people on the planet in my opinion.
Yep, The Commie scourge may stink but the beauty, climate and wide open spaces of Oregon find me opining it’s a worthy hill to die on.
One advantage of Oregon is its small population and, so far, limited ‘golden goose’ opportunities, slowing the spread of the Commies. They’re around though, so one must be constantly vigilant in the political sense.
Other than that it’s like a time warp to the post-war period, low crime and a simple life. Took a number of years to get out of the CA siege mentality and relax.
When a neighbor is sighting in their hunting rifle in their front 40, it’s not impending war rather the sound of freedom. That’s worth fighting for.
Naaa. I’ll stick to Colorado. Those NE liberal transplants will not run me out of my home.
Behind the lines small unit guerilla tactics suit me far more than big groups with incompetent mouthy leaders.
We need both, really, but more big groups than small, of course. Not “incompetent, mouthy leaders,” but then, why would you assume leaders of big groups would be like that?
Besides, making a choice to head for your own people (in values and beliefs) isn’t being “run out.” It’s making a choice to join your own for the fight. That’s what we did. No one ran us out, except maybe ourselves. We despised that state and wouldn’t go back to the west coast for any reason. What a shthole.
My family on my fathers side arrived in Colorado 125 years ago. My family on Mom’s side was before that. You do what is best for you.
We will do the same.
Out of all the Republicans that would have the gravitas to speak at a large function, only President Trump and Governor DeSantis interest me.
The rest of the “R’s” want that kind of gravitas and will do ANYTHING to get it. Except, most are all mouth, do nothing, coat tail hanger, MAGA wannabees that want into the cool kids club. As soon as it comes time to actually follow through with their promises, out come the excuses. Those people will sell out the America First people the second it becomes inconvenient to be associated with us.
Dr. Oz is a recent classic text book example. I can lay out more if need be, like Brnovich.
Lauren and MTG are great but they don’t have enough stroke to even get on the powerful committees. All they can offer today is sound bites.
You can go represent at the big rallies and hang out with like minded people. You seem to enjoy that and it provides some pretty good optics.
Me, I will throw sand in the gears as I see fit.
It actually is the strength of guerilla combat, minimal command and control. A thousand vipers as taking on a single beast.
Heh, my basement is full of food and ammo; gotta fight from the living room now.
Roger the reality though. Words are one thing, actions are quite another. Some of us are already fighting with actions and those who are need our support. For now it’s mostly diplomats and diplomacy can be the most difficult fight of all.
Conservatives tend to be rugged individualists from my life experience so surmounting that obstacles is key to coordinating and communicating in a unified fashion.
Perhaps the best path is small group guerilla operations, whether that be protest, diplomacy, or adverse action. What I’ve noticed with the large groups is they tend to tear themselves apart over time.
Trump anticipated them charging him with BS charges, but do not forget that Pelosi’s laptop and its contents still haven’t turned up…
If the battle can be framed as the populace rising up against the government, vs. a civil war of people against people, it would be far less violent in my view.
Not to say that certain left-leaning factions wouldn’t join together on the government side to squelch those rising up against the government, but a direct left vs. right conflict would be framed as a civil war.
A revolt against federal overreach is what is needed. How that starts or plays out is the question.
Excellent point, but Tories got it good. They were chased out and beaten.
The LGBT/Bolshevik Tories of today need the same, if not worse.
Try what the Left said the day Trump got inaugurated: “Become ungovernable.”
So, a second Revolutionary War rather than a second Civil War.
Yup
If the initial event is a trucker strike that closes the highways and other roads into major cities, the tradition of such strikes, will help. It will be a peaceful labor action like many others. Expanding this to barricades and obstacles on the highways or at ports, will be nothing more than what antifa did in cities of the American northwest.
Tactically, it would be much better if they have to come out to us, but cutting off the supplies to major cities mean they wpould have to.
They don’t want a civil war – they want another January 6 that they can use to save the mid-terms.
And they are going to keep shoving crap in the face of Trump voters until something pops. Unfortunately, Republicans are quite practiced at gritting their teeth. The real question is, what will happen after the midterms?
I would not count on a Republican victory in the mid-terms.
Lucy still holds the football.
100%
The red wave could easily turn out to be cherry Kool-Aid. Only 52% of registered Republicans bothered to vote in 2016 and 2020.
A flurry of strongly worded letters?
Lindsey Graham to the rescue! heh…
What happens after midterms is determined by midterms. Are / Were they stolen or did the Red Wave happen. Only then can we talk about ‘after’ midterms.
That depends on whether or not the midterms are real elections, or fake ones like in 20/20
The job approval rating of Biden is below 20%. Harris’ approval is
below that of Biden. Biden is merely the Democrat puppet. In effect its
the entire Biden Administration which has a tanking approval rating.
Yet somehow the J6 committee proceeds as planned, and are affixed with
only one objective, take Trump down, using any means necessary and
available. Even if it means lying, cheating, performing criminal acts.
The reasons for the recent heightened scare levels within Democratic
ranks, might come from Trumps plans to reenact Schedule F [1][2], which
incited Axios to do a deep dive article [3], and also explains why
Schiff has started to act up as of late [4].
[1] Trump is threatening the Return and Expansion
of Schedule F (Government Executive)
https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2022/03/trump-threatening-return-and-expansion-schedule-f/363145/
[2] WATCH: Trump Wants Presidential Power To
“Fire Any Executive Branch Employee” in Next Term.
https://hillreporter.com/watch-trump-wants-presidential-power-to-fire-any-executive-branch-employee-in-next-term-126892
[3] A radical plan for Trump’s second term
by Jonathan Swan, Axios
https://www.axios.com/2022/07/22/trump-2025-radical-plan-second-term
[4] https://patelpatriot.substack.com/p/schiffs-amendment
Jacob Dreizin had a great post today, part of which speaks to the Army’s loss of its constituency. Dreizen is an equal opportunity offender. He can get really foul. His turn of a phrase often is worse than anything Karl Denninger has ever written for public consumption. However, I am on Dreizin’s mailing list and gobble up all of his posts.
https://thedreizinreport.com/2022/07/26/the-woke-empire-has-no-voting-base/
This could be payback because Trump is suing all the main Russiagate hoaxsters for slander, libel, conspiracy, RICO, etc. Let’s see who has a better case.
At some point we need to decide if our sweat, literally, since the vast majority of us are proscribed to pay taxes, want to support the corrupt judicial system that works against us daily. Why support their lifestyles, fuel their private jets? All to ‘buy’ justice? What is that, really?
Find me an attack on citizens freedoms and liberties and I’ll find you a lawyer ball’s deep in it, getting wealthy. On any side. Heck, I’ll bet everyone thread readers here would like on a chopping block in D.C. are lawyers.
2+2. It’s not rocket science. How have things worked out so far?
Do they want war in America.? Yes. Should we (we being those of us that stand behind our Constitutional Republic as it was created with guidance from God)? No.
Passive resistance none compliance, to do everything with in our power to never comply. This is none violent and answering their demands, with no I’m not doing that so get out of here. 100 million doing that is a big deal.
Do they want war, the answer being yes is the problem. So be prepared what ever that means to you and the fact they do want a war in America (I believe they want world war, not just in America), you have a right to defend yourself and the ones you love and this great country from this evil. Never be the one to start violence, be the one who defends against it!
We are not give in our nature the power of self preservation for no reason. Like everything else about us is a gift from God.
Our side won’t give up sportsball, TV, or public school. I don’t think passive resistance is going to happen in any meaningful way.
Look at all the people who knowingly injected poison because they were “forced” by their job or the cruise line.
My belief tells me, the war is coming, The Christ said so! It does not matter if you are watching TV or just going to works or just complying with orders.
People may be even sharping their swords getting ready to fight. Do not be the Instigator nor the protagonist in this war. The last civil war was started by the south and they lost. There is a reason for that, they were wrong in what they believed.
This is about what is right in the eyes of God. John 15, This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you, Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends. The Christ comes back as a worrier, does not sound passive to me! Many many Christians have lay down their lives in the eternal war against evil.
“The Christ comes back as a *warrior,* does not sound passive to me!” FIFY
Oh boy. Glad I tuned in late to this today. So, here’s my thinking…
My preference is mass noncompliance. Ignore them. Refuse to comply. And if the Feds or any armed force of the government, regardless of Agency type, steps into a town where they’re not wanted, or steps on your property without invitation, they get shot. Just sayin’. We need strong Constitutional Sheriffs and strong local Militias, in my opinion. We only shoot in self-defense. There’s no way I could support being the aggressor. I support protecting my family, friends, and property with prejudice.
Where’s an asteroid when you need it.
Overwatch, don’t forget overwatch. In the LA riots a few decades ago, those known as ‘Roof Koreans’ made quite a name for themselves.
The parents who went after the school board member’s surety bonds was a great example of how to counter some of this ultra-left agenda crap.
Cole: Missed that one. Can you provide any details? Location? Lawyers involved? Plaintiffs? Theory of recovery against the bonds?
I agree 100% up to the being the aggressor part. If rule of law is destroyed the ONLY way to stop this from continuing is to bring the pain in a very personal manner. I hope we never get to that point but I fear we are pretty close. I pray things turn around this election.
Civil war, successions, red vs. blue tidal wave, rural vs. big cities………when the country is ruled over by the 4th branch with the global elitist, what would any of these do to eliminate it?
Did Lee Harvey Oswald change history? IDK. Without inflaming the conspiracy tranche, what effects did the result of that brief moment nearly 60 years ago have?
In another realm, how was history affected when Ashli Babbitt was killed one January morning a couple years ago in the Capitol? One speck of sand on the beach of time. What happened?
On the macro scale, pick a tombstone in Arlington and decide, did that person’s life matter to the cause? Did the enemy who killed them care that their life mattered? Examine the nuances of war and death and history. It’s fascinating IMO. Sad, but fascinating, particularly analyzing effects throughout time.
How did the colonists defeat the world’s premiere army and navy? Pretty tall order if you ask me. Daunting.
“How did the colonists defeat the world’s premiere army and navy?”
Simple. G-d was on their side. They believed in Him, and He delivered.
Today?
I’ve noticed with the 1776’ers that prayer and worship are important parts of their daily lives on the Mall. Good example. David’s Tent is a frequent stop.
What is David’s Tent? Those who believe in Him should check it out IMO.
I don’t really see why they are making this play now.
President Trump is not really ‘in play’ until 2024.
It’s not going to win over those to vote Democrat in the midterms. I would think it more appropriate to do this fishing expedition indictment just after midterms and play it up for the two year run up to the Presidential election.
Couple of possibilities as to why now:
This is why they are trying to disarm us. There are at least 440 million guns in circulation that they know about. This is why they’ve been trying to “verify” who’s got what guns. I’ve been saying for decades that the only purpose of gun registration is confiscation. In regards to getting your guns however you can, the Constitution upholds absolutely no interference in that quest regardless of what the fickle courts decide.
I am a 100% law abiding, tax paying, Christian woman, but on this one point I never back down. The government has zero business in regulating, overseeing, taxing, or interfering in gun ownership. When we have to make a “last stand”, our ability to defend ourselves shall not be infringed. I’ll never back off of that stance.
Our government is stupid beyond comprehension.
Yep, no matter what, we can never ever give up our guns.
Why does the WWII admonishment “loose lips sink ships” come to mind?
Loose lips can spread distraction, disinformation and faulty intelligence to tease out infiltrators. Time-honored practices of the enemy. Use it.
I tend to believe my old fart musings here, even if I think I’m being creative, are nothing the enemy’s think tanks haven’t already war-gamed. I’ve read enough Rand Corp war games to realize my own limitations.
Thanks for this info.🌻
Do they want a civil war? The answer is YES. They think with their gov agencies that they can win. But they don’t have to man power. Whomever is pulling the strings (methinks Soros because this is his calling card) has got it horrible wrong. That’s why all those DA’s are Soros stooges. The other countries Soros has pulled this in – England, Cyprus, Greece, tried but failed in Hungary and others – are not the US. He’s going to find out how difficult it is to do this. AND ADAM STOOGE SCHIFF will not succeed in covering up the use of the DoD by Milley. If you want to know more read: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/07/was_the_pentagon_involved_in_planning_for_january_6.html
They have violated the human rights of @850 Americans in the GULAGS thanks to Milley. But he can’t handle 100 MILLION who will rise up. The military will not go along. Neither will the other agencies involved. Maybe the top brass of each but they will be frog marched out of their offices. Mark my words on this.
Nobody is surprised by this.
Anyone associated with Trump was aggressively, publicly, pursued by DOJ.
The real criminals are selling access and having their families profit.
They are jealous of the Russian czars and are doing what they can to catch up.
Another thing I don’t get is it makes President Trump a martyr and DeSantis easily steps in. What is to gain? I truly think Republicans GAIN votes from Democrats that say, “well, he’s better than Trump.”
You really think they are just going to let DeSantis cruise to victory ?
Only the military could pull off such an operation. That would equate to a coup and military rule/Martial Law until “order” was restored.
It’s not beyond the realm of possibility.
Wow, the little semiliterate ‘get your guns and attack’ FBI trolls are here in force today. It must be time to gather our ak97 assault style squirt guns and gather at the old bell tower. GeronimoooooOink!
Nice avatar.
The Cabal is at the cusp of worldwide totalitarian control. Ya think they are going to let Trump become president again?
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No. I think we, the people, are going to let them know that we are not their slaves — that we, the people, will decide who our next president is, not them.
Yep, it’s the ‘world-wide’ part that keeps me up at night. This is far more exigent a threat than PDJT being elected/regaining POTUS or not IMO.
Like Bette Davis opined in All About Eve, “Fasten your seat belt. It’s going to be a bumpy night”.
“An attempt to criminally convict President Trump would be the first shot in a civil war. It would not, and will not, end well.”
THAT IS 100% correct with one refinement. After Sussman it is clear that they can indict him and if they do indict him he will be convicted in DC.
Josea 8:7 “. For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind: it hath no stalk; the bud shall yield no meal: if so be it yield, the strangers shall swallow it up.”
The temptation to indict will be overwhelming.
Donald Trump did not break any federal laws. They have yet to cite the federal statute(s) that were allegedly broken. Furthermore, Donald Trump does not control the Capitol Police and had no authority to do anything.
This is also to cover up the role and foreknowledge that the FBI and other federal agencies had regarding the events of that day.
Of course not, but the DC Cartel is way past caring about laws.
But…if you can indict a ham sandwich…
It’s obvious that with a total lack of positions of power, leadership and organization that there will not be a civil war or even a mild uprising. The USA is over.
Yep, stick a fork in it; all over; may as well give up; blah blah, oink oink blah; blah blah oink
I tend to disagree with the original assertion but I must admit the lackluster support for groups, plus organizational rifts and successful infiltration of said groups, even though this is only the protest and diplomacy stage, causes concern.
If we can’t get our act together at even the most basic levels of peaceful redress of grievances, how will we prosecute adverse action?
That reality is why I’ve been following the protest movements in the U.S., Canada, Australia and Europe closely.
Suicide missions are no problem. 9/11 was an excellent suicide mission. Not really productive to meaningful change though.
‘This type of narrative engineering by the political media can also be looked at as an effort to boost morale.’ – Sundance
Certainly, when it’s frayed-collar WaPo stenographers venting their impotent rage at troglodytes who still use ‘he/she’ pronouns.
But “Garland’s” interview with Lester Holt on NBC News is a whole different kettle of fish. Read his lips: “Garland” makes plain that Trump is headed for the dock. The message is unmistakable: otherwise this ‘rare’ interview wouldn’t have happened.
Bear in mind that “Garland” is consumed with suppressed rage at a R-party, for denying him a Supreme Court seat in 2016. Now in his twisted mind, it’s PAYBACK TIME.
As a vengeful Old Testament guy, “Garland,” by indicting Trump, can scourge the Republican party, and its sons and its daughters, and its manservants and its maidservants, and its oxen and its asses, yea unto the seventh generation.
This is a no-holds-barred pogrom of political extermination.
You don’t need no PhD in History to know where this leads. It’s the first shots fired at Fort Sumter.
Got ammo?
People will go meekly to their demise just like all 554 days of this so-called resistance.
HEY BOZO! WHEN DID YOU MAKE A FULL FRONTAL ASSAULT WITH YOUR GUNS BLAZING?
If you didn’t do that then STFU and stop criticizing others. Pretty damn clear you’ve no military experience or you’d have offered something as basic as SUT or SUP.
Some probably will. History of the USSR provided some great examples. My family got out during the chaos before the Reds defeated the Whites. After, whoa, decades of mess and lots of death.
Are we doomed to that path? IDK. Different people, different point in history.
I got my squirt pistol brimming with high octane ionized h2o? Who’s driving?
So that means for every county, state and federal election we find rigging by DEMs or GOP, we can charge them all with SEDITION and CONSPIRACY TO OVERTHROW GOVT?
This may backfire HUGE on all Deep State actors!
Something worth investigating in one’s own jurisdiction is citizen grand juries and the role of the Sheriff as enforcer. This presumes adversarial humans in the criminal justice system otherwise. In a jurisdiction which follows COTUS it shouldn’t be an issue but these are strange times.
WHAT LIBERALISM IS
This is Satan’s world until the Prince of Peace returns.
Here’s what I say to individuals who having to do with politics or culture are not woke,
“What exactly have you done in your life to stand up for, support, help, whatever word comes to mind, the coming new generation?”
It shuts them up real fast if they are part of the problem.
Sorry. Civil War?
Don’t you feel that supporters of President Trump are being pushed by the Democrats and media to come to this conclusion so that security agencies can gather more info to identify and indict supporters? This is SOP for the FBI and others.
What would happen if Trump were indicted is the same thing that happened with the J6 committee- it would change no one’s mind and only be a talking point in the MSM while being derided or ignored everywhere else.
While this sort of talk might Rev the dems’ engine, it will most certainly have the same effect on conservatives and indies. Only the revving will be of opposing forces.
IF Garland indicts PDJT, one of two things will happen. We will either stand down, in which case the country truly is lost. Or there will be violence, in which case the country will never be the same.
Both are dicey outcomes.
“the country will never be the same”
Obviously, this has already happened.
There’s still a possibility of recovery, but it gets slimmer by the day
There are many other options. Ever hear of work stoppages or quiet slowdowns or subtle rolling blockades or sit ins or simple peaceful protests that stop commerce. The left does it all the time.
All good ideas, as long as the peaceful protestors aren’t labeled as domestic terrorists.
I can post an example, one of hundreds which TPC alone provided, here regarding AB2223, an infanticide decriminalization bill. The event was the convoy paying a CA state senator’s neighborhood a visit.
Brief video, timestamped to the image, presuming that works here. Yes, the convoy had a fire truck and it lives on with 1776 in Bunker Hill. Its water cannon was used on Auntie Fa in Portland. I’ll bet practically none of this is known to Treepers. It’s out there.
If the DOJ was foolish enough to do that it would unleash an army of Peppermints. You want to act like the Mob, the retribution would be just the way the mob does it. They know this and they want to divide the support for Trump and boost Democrat morale to cover for the planned election steal. If their base is demoralized there’s no way they can cover the steal.
This is a clear case of Projection.
The left are always accusing their opponents of what the left are doing and have done.
The only sedition and insurrection – was the massive, brazen, proven 2020 election fraud, the ignoring of the preponderance of evidence of that fraud, the denial of justice, and the obvious false flag operation on January 6.
Never forget Pence was in charge of Election Integrity, as well as his role as President of the Senate – to be sure that no fraud occurred and no fraudulent vote count took place – instead he pretended he didn’t know Jan 6 was a cooked-up operation and used it to overlook the fraud.
Pence was also in charge of the White House Pandemic Task Force that shut down our country, cost people their livelihoods, instituted mandates of bad vaccines and bad treatment protocols.
Pence is a Triple Traitor.
This is a clear case of Projection.
Exactly. And I’d add, a case of them covering up their crimes.
There is no ‘Equal Justice under Law’. We live under a
two-tiered Justice System. This is a very sad state of affairs.
Hillary Clinton, Hunter Biden and Democrat elites walk free
no matter the crime.
We must end this two-tiered Justice System.
The next President must order a RICO investigation of
organized crime in the FBI and DOJ.
RICO is the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization Act.
Sundance has identified this part of the plan very well. He asks, do they want a civil war? The answer to that is yes. Not because the Democratic party and it’s very very few constituents of today could possibly win a war that pitted resourceless cities against the food- and fuel-producing heartland , but because that is not who is really behind what they are doing.
While the United States fights itself, China will take Taiwan, Russia will take what it wants most in its region, because it will be free of the threat of nuclear retaliation, and Iran will take Saudi Arabia and the gulf Oil States. North Korea may also take South Korea, and other opportunistic targets may fall to other opportunistic powers.
No purely US interest would seek the kind of confrontation those in power now wish to provoke. Only a group that was certain of how Chinese and Russian ICBMs would be used would dare to do so.
Our commies have been colaborating with their commies, of course.
What the Left wants is some felony conviction to disqualify President Trump from future office. “His kind must never rise again.” The whole J6 Committee is prelude to that.
And now Garland volunteers that he is open to prosecuting our last President, a horrifically inappropriate comment coming from a sitting AG. Expect it to happen.
As to massive protests turning violent, we have already seen how much they want those, to the point of sending in their own violent false floggers. Another day at the office for our Deep State regime change specialists.
The more violence, the greater their justification for imposing martial law – an all-time favorite move for tyrants.
This situation is an opportunity to focus on GOP leadership throughout the country. The MAGA numbers should be agitating everywhere against the grossly unequal administration of justice, targeting Republicans. Each and every leader at every level should be made to join in the protest, or else voted out immediately. Especially those who join in the J6 narrative. The red wave is coming, but must be made into a MAGA wave, with nary a trace of RINO remaining.
So the floundering J6 committee is about to leave for summer recess, but MSM must have daily headlines blistering Trump; therefore, Liz Cheney passed the torch to DOJ.
Start with the obvious. They want a violent civil war. So how might they try to induce one? Stealing from us, which is what inflation is, threatening us by, for example, prosecuting our leaders, acting crazy like Shamala, and then, we might guess, ramping up their death cult troops, probably over women being robbed of the right to go to their graves knowing that they have murdered their children.
So we need to look for what has worked in other cases where people are locked in a power struggle with abusers. The rule of law, including God’s law, must be insisted upon and adhered to come hell or high water. This means violence is only warranted in self defense or where all of the tenets of just war are satisfied. True, there will be martyrs, already are, but so far we’re holding up better than they are, just like the civil rights marchers being hosed down were. It’s not that unusual for winning to look like losing for a time.
Sure, keep your powder dry but also your heads down. Watch carefully and wait. But to me, they seem desperate and more and more on the other side of crazy.
They are baiting us, trying to get another J6 reaction.
Please do not buy the narrative that the J6 fracas truly represents even a small fraction of the legitimate MAGA movement. That was a not-very-well-executed false-flag op by the Swamp; engineered to entrain otherwise credulous, peaceful visitors, using old-school crowd-control/agitation. The timing gives them away: It was too perfect, given its effects/excuse to drastically speed up the Congressional proceedings. And it was nonsensical with respect to the rally’s warm-fuzzy rhetoric, not even concluded a mile away. A classic DC Beltway bait-and-switch.
Note carefully that there were zero weapons involved on the MAGA side and no precursor indications of crowd violence (q,v. BLM), except for the agitators (q.v. Ray Epps). The visible rough edges and loose ends in the op’s execution are specifically mitigated by the ongoing, leftist media hate-mosh and shout-down/censorship of the proofs in alternative media.
There is no bottom, to how low they (Left/Globalist/Uniparty/Swamp) will go.
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I was surprised they gave 1776 a protest permit. They did though. Auntie Fa and the other agitators are at them pretty much daily but they’re holding up pretty good. Been there in front of the National Gallery of Art for a couple weeks now.
That’s part of it, they’ll take that and exploit it to the max if they can get it. More importantly, J6 has caused us not to have any reaction.
Civil war will not happen. Put away your guns and ammo. It will not come to this but if it did, peaceful protests with simple blockade of major freeways and rail lines by farmers and truckers and rural citizens would bring these ill run cities to their knees.
What if the dutch were commanding? Big dump truck accidentally spills 10 tons of manure on highest traveled freeway in city. Odd breakdowns of 50 cars or more blocks entry into major city. Traffic slowed to stop by numerous breakdowns along road. Semi stalls at junction of 2 major freeways causing hours of backup. Odd to see all these accidents seemingly every day on metro roads. Shipping and food supplies into city being affected. Worst traffic backups ever.
If one were to game this out, as soon as law enforcement responds to “help” these unfortunate citizens with their breakdowns, the thugs and criminals within the cities would run free. Police would not be able to effectively open the roads due to massive looting and food protests in the inner cities.
Come on man, just driving the speed limit on the freeway causes jam ups. Imagine if everyone just decided to do that.
thugs and criminals within the cities would run free. Police would not be able to effectively open the roads due to massive looting and food protests in the inner cities.
What would lead you to believe police would divert to those situations?
They’ve already allowed open-season shoplifting and conking Asians on the head and the riots of summer 2020, offering little to nil in terms of criminal offender suppression
It’s been open season on lawful society for quite some time now
When TPC came to the Beltway, Metro closed off-ramps to keep them out, causing massive traffic snarls and ultimately the death of one motorist who ran into one of the trucks the police were using to block the off-ramps.
They were pretty mellow in their ‘slow downs’, not attempting to completely block the freeway system. First trip, they had enough vehicles to completely encircle D.C. in one lane. Miles and miles of vehicles.
Numbers work.
Hopefully you’ve got a retired special ops guy in your neighborhood, if so this would be a good time to get to know them.
In the end, to keep him from running, they will threaten his family. They are capable of anything.
Sundance asks, “Do they want a civil war?” I think the answer is, “Why not?” Divide and conquer so they can ‘build back better?’ That’s right up their alley!
However, what they may GET instead of a civil war, is another Revolution. And that would suck.. for THEM.
I think Buck and Clay mentioned this today…
Wouldn’t it be a big FIRST if a sitting president arrested his biggest competitor in an upcoming election??
If this wouldn’t start a civil war, I guess we’ll have to wait for the inevitable swarm of Chinese soldiers beaching on California shores (which is probably a big reason why the Dems need to hold on to CA).
Oh rest assured, arresting Trump would be THE spark
that lit up the simmering tinderbox that America is today.
This is the Clintons’ revenge for the “lock her up” chant.
I knew this was coming. In the world where criminal democrats get away with murder while their political opponents are persecuted with impunity this crap is to be expected.
There will be no uprisings outside the social media rants and any street protests if they happen woukd be ignored or dealt with. Brutally.
Never forget that everything — the unelected bureaucracy, DOJ, FBI, Congress, financial institutions, media, even military is in the hands of the lawless and vindictive Democrat party supported by the “other” wing of the Uniparty. They have the power to “elect” a doorknob via fraud and destroy or intimidate anyone who chooses to protest.
BLM and Antifa can riot and loot freely because they are paramilitary brownshirts serving the DNC. They have nothing to fear. The rest of us won’t be so lucky and people with families know that. They watch what happened to Gen. Flynn (and many other people) and what is happening to the Jan 6 protesters and they would think twice. That’s how intimidation works.
The Law is dead. America is fundamentally transformed. That’s the sad reality.