Do they want a civil war? It might sound good around the DC cocktail party circuit, whipped into a frenzy by the Lawfare crowd, but the outcome would not be in their interests.
Given the severity of manipulative politics and DC based media in the past several years, I would not take the Washington Post article at face value.
WaPo represents the interests of the Intelligence Community side of the deep state apparatus.
Everything the WaPo creatures write is part of an advanced and coordinated DC engineering effort that has multiple motives; the face value of the one they present is never the real agenda.
We all know why they want Donald Trump removed as a threat to their echo-chambered system of corruption and governmental graft. The entire DC system, including the Stasi DOJ and FBI state police, is based on financial influence, power, greed and corrupt sales of offices. Donald Trump always represented a disruption to their scheming and conniving systems. That motivating truth has never changed.
According to the Washington Post, the DOJ is now putting witnesses in front of a grand jury to solicit evidence to support a “seditious conspiracy” charge against President Trump for attempting to overthrow the United States government and Joe Biden.
WaPo – […] There are two principal tracks of the investigation that could ultimately lead to additional scrutiny of Trump, two people familiar with the situation said, also speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
The first centers on seditious conspiracy and conspiracy to obstruct a government proceeding, the type of charges already filed against individuals who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 and on two leaders of far-right groups, Stewart Rhodes and Henry “Enrique” Tarrio, who did not breach the Capitol but were allegedly involved in planning the day’s events.
The second involves potential fraud associated with the false-electors scheme or with pressure Trump and his allies allegedly put on the Justice Department and others to falsely claim that the election was rigged and votes were fraudulently cast.
Recent subpoenas obtained by The Post show that two Arizona state legislators were ordered to turn over communications with “any member, employee, or agent of Donald J. Trump or any organization advocating in favor of the 2020 re-election of Donald J. Trump, including ‘Donald J. Trump for President, Inc.’ ”
No former president has ever been charged with a crime in the country’s history. In cases when investigators found evidence suggesting a president engaged in criminal conduct, as with Richard M. Nixon and Bill Clinton, investigators and successive administrations concluded it was better to grant immunity or forgo prosecution. One goal was to avoid appearing to use government power to punish political enemies and assure the tradition of a peaceful transfer of power. (read more)
One big note of caution on this entire ridiculous narrative… especially as it pertains to the media construct…. Please, keep in mind that Democrats are getting crushed right now by their own constituents. Democrat politicians are deflated and disillusioned as the people are not happy with the current state of the economy or society overall.
Democrats have been reduced to a small section of the most extreme-leftists and blue-haired suburban leftist women riddled with guilt. That’s the base now. Everyone else is demoralized and deflated. Morale in democrat circles is terrible.
With that in mind, this type of narrative engineering by the political media can also be looked at as an effort to boost morale. Not much more.
Personally, despite knowing how over-the-top totalitarian these DC people have become, I do not see them wanting armed conflict with more than half of the country. An attempt to criminally convict President Trump would be the first shot in a civil war. It would not, and will not, end well.
Well, if you’re trying to create the conditions for flat out “sporkiness” that’s a good way to kick up the probability score. And risk the same outcome McNamara made in Vietnam, viewing violence tempo as a rheostat that the North Vietnamese would respond to in kind. Unfortunately, the NV settings were binary. “Win” and “die trying”.
Globalism is dead when lockdowns broke the worldwide supply chains, war sanctions affected supply chains also, kicked Roosia out of SWIFT so Chyna & Roosia replacing SWIFT with own system, BRICS too; PMs falling like flies. Yes. Globalism is dead yet the body is not yet cold.
Where’s The Food? will bring now more and more government’s down – Sri Lanka style.
USA? On track to in due time to correct this corrupt, elite, deep state corruption, which will happen sooner rather than later if they successfully prevent 45 from running or completing his next term. Yes. Then the guns will come out. Inevitable if they take the movement leader from us. It’s a no-brainer. There will be no place they can run and permanently hide. Always admired Israel-style post WWII justice of finding holocaust criminals.
And remember, there is not enough security to protect them and their families 24/7/365. And how many police voted for Trump who might just look the other way.
Hence the reason oxiden has made such an effort to purge any American Patriot from the mitary and police
They can always find German “Holocaust criminals.” They seem singularly incapable of finding self-outed NAZI aide and helper, you know, old “If I hadn’t done it, somebody would have” Gyorgy Schwartz.
Yep. He conveniently changed his name. I don’t think he’s allowed in Israel. Or, maybe he is, and is just not allowed to leave alive. Now…that’s a thought…let’s chip in for an expense paid trip to Israel for George! I’m in!
If and/or when the SHTF remember all politics is local. Without their local support network elections can be made safe again, implementation of their agenda is impossible and they become isolated.
Agree on all points. And just as the Mossad hunted, captured and hung Eichmann, we too will hunt these monsters and bring them to justice
It’s all about the innuendo and smear. But … if this were to go to trial, yes, the DC jury and judge would be corrupt, but it wouldn’t run like the J6 Committee. All eyes would be on the trial, and the world would see the insanity of the DC left on full display.
No one will “see” anything. The reports of the trial will reflect the administration’s false evidence.
Secret trial?
Print media only. Nightly news with the sketch art.
No cameras and a gag order on talking to the media outside of courtroom.
Yes, that is grand jury trials work.
Grand jury v trial jury. Not the same.
Yes, the DC left want a Civil War, especially while they are in the power seat. What makes you think that the States are not already in one?
Lot of talk of Civil War, even Sundances rhetorical question,…
As a Civil war would likely rend the country apart for good, and certainly kill a lot,…and our enemies gials are depopulation and destruction of America, they may well want one,..just not sure I see a Civil war happening.
“History doesn’t repeat, but it rhymes” so it was a group of States (Confederacy) officially joining together and succeeding, that started the Civil war.
While there are groups if citisens talking about succession, I don’t foresee any Official State government (and I think thats who has to do it) attempting to suceed,..and it doesn’t really address the issue.
We don’t really have a “red state vs blue state” conflict.
We have political machines running each state. McStain machine in Az, Kasich machine in Ohio, etc.
These machines control the big cities, and rig the voting there, to overwhelm votes from rural areas.
So, we would have a civil war within each State, rural vs city?
And how does a civil war in any way advance our cause? It doesn’t.
Agreed, it doesn’t advance our cause, but it would advance others’ agenda.
Our civil war was unique. Most start the way they did in Sri Lanka, a disorganized mess overtly expressing through violence their utter rejection of the current course. Sri Lanka is more like the French Revolution.
While Sundance posited a ciivl war, should it come to armed conflict, I imagine it would look more like the Revolution. As with the Revolution, some areas would experience heavier fighting than others.
For the reasons you stated, this would not be massive armies united behind two causes determining the outcome. This would be people rising up against the establishment and going against the machines to return power to the populace. An utter rejection of the current course.
I think they want armed action against them. They would spin it as aggressively as they have the insurrection narrative and become even more lawless than we are currently experiencing.
Ditto….civil war is exactly what DC needs and has been desperately trying to incite. Even if they arrest PDJT, we can’t lose our cool and give them what they want. Have to stay the course and continue voting etc…. They don’t control enough voting to stay in power, which is why they are flailing away with their insane machinations these past couple of years.
This “don’t give them what they want” and “they don’t control enough voting” amounts to the same as HS cheerleaders doing “go, fight, win” pom pom decorated chant while their team is behind 70 points at 13 minutes in to the fourth quarter while watching the other team cheat the whole time, the whole game!!
Opposite:
DC is going to try and and wants to take the guns
DC is using the media and deception
DC got “too many” to line up for a “jab”
DC imposed “masking mandates” for control
DC opened the border
DC doubled gas prices
DC looks to be plugging food and other supply pipelines
This ^^ — doesn’t look like a strategy to “want a civil war” but the opposite — win “control” without a fight.
Force (law enFORCEment, police FORCE, militia FORCE = physical actions under control mechanisms, under ordered control… force will be necessary before this is adequately resolved and:
NO ONE involved will be “loosing their cool” — normal response to being attacked is to defend yourself first then stop the attack long term.
Help defend your neighbors rights as an AMERICAN. Keep your head on a swivel. and watch your back and that of you neighbors. Especially at 4am
“continue voting”
That’s HILARIOUS!
Bravo, Dutchman! Oh, that everyone here understood that.
WOW, just WOW!!
How does a civil war advance our causes? These statements are akin to capitulation and must be abhorrent to every patriot who reads them.
Our founding fathers warned us violence would be necessary to keep what we have now lost.
Our money is worthless, back by vapor rather than gold, and it is being printed at a rate that is so clearly intended to topple the dollar as the world fiat standard, thereby causing a collapse that is truly going to be painful for entire segments of society.
Our government is rigged to squash opposing political parties.
Our politicians are bent by some nefarious world entity and no longer work for the American people.
Our elections are rigged to install the highest approved bidder in any elected office in the land.
Our military has been infiltrated by the woke agenda in order to create an impotent force incapable of fighting to protect our country.
We no longer have borders.
Our police at the federal level are for sure bent.
Our justice system has thrown the law out and uses political ideology instead to mead out a multi tiered justice.
Our nation is run and marches to the fourth branch of government, who are not elected, who can not be fired, and who work to subvert our laws to suit their own agendas.
Laws have been enacted to suppress free speech and descent.
We are denying human rights to American citizens on the basis of political affiliations.
And on and on, and you do not think it is time to march on DC??!!
Shame on all of you who agree. There would not be a patriot among you.
The 4th branch CAN be fired. Apparently it was determined that they did not have civil service protections. So if Trump gets back in, fire every single member of the 4th branch
Thank you!
Are you too good, armed with knowledge beyond what the Founders faced and their final just cause option? I notice you also propose NO solution – or is it to continue under collaborators McConnell, McCarthy, Inc who’ve apparently served you so very well and at this desperate point in American history continue to hope “something” will change. People like you guarantee the latter. On the profound sacrifice of our Founders and all that came after them, is there anything you will not abdicate? Or is it to live as a perpetual serf? Do you believe the “midterms” will change anything at all with with McConnell/McCarthy as the thoroughly controlled opposition and those ready to take their chairs Scalise, Stefanik, Cornyn, Thune, et al, ad infinitum. Sickening.
“they” don’t care; they are already going scorched earth on the country
Not yet…..
I noticed this morning a chemical attack on patriots, now in possession of a ‘play by the rules’ protest permit for their presence on the National Mall, found one sent to the hospital and his animal for treatment, and apparently the fire department hosed down a bunch of vehicles in the attack to disperse and neutralize the chemical.
Plenty of such attacks have occurred and been documented over the last four-five months against the convoys and later encamped protests but they don’t make the news or mention here because the enemy is successful in their suppression tactics.
Regarding ‘scorched earth’, let’s not forget the arson summer of 2020 where cities and forests burned. We got a big dose of that on the west coast with hundreds of thousands affected. Where I live one arsonist took out hundreds of mobile homes for miles in one wind-swept corridor. Rinse and repeat across the country. Kyle Rittenhouse would be an unknown teenager if not for the mayhem, looting, burning and destruction unleashed by the Communist mercenaries.
Then it all got quiet after Joe was ‘elected’.
No one is going to change my mind. There’s a disease in this country and it’s human. We are the cure.
Yea, amazing how that activity got switched to off when it was no longer needed. Democrat Party apparatus.
What attack? Is there a news item about it?
You won’t find any news items about the 1776 Restoration Movement, not obviously, though WUSA9 did do a couple brief segments on them.
If you happen to be in D.C., they’re camped in front of the National Gallery of Art on the Mall. I’d estimate there are at least a half-dozen live streamers on Youtube, Facebook, Twitch, etc that cover them pretty much full time. If you follow activities in D.C., Penguin Six, a former Congressional aide and lawyer, covers their activities from time to time among his wanderings through the city.
Unfortunately, holes in security happen. I’m unclear if the person attacked was one of the security or if there was none at zero dark thirty when it apparently occurred and multiple vehicles were sprayed. In the past they’ve had all-night security patrols due to threats. IDK if that continues.
God is the cure!
if they indict President Trump I suspect he would get more votes
Their whole point is that there will be no candidate named “Trump.”
His name will not appear anywhere, and if you try to write it in, it will not be counted.
You might have more people who want to vote for him…but it will not matter! Voting for him will be impossible.
And so, as I’ve been saying, we are NOT voting ourselves out of this.
I will vote for PRESIDENT Donald J Trump if I have to write his name on a brick and throw it thru the voting places window
Works in Chicago! So many politicians go to jail come our get reelected or get indicted and still get elected.
Works in Louisiana, too!
Works in MD too. Number of years ago, a county politician was actually sworn in while in leg irons! But it’s Nancy’s place of birth (MD)
That’s hilarious.
They are trying to convict him to prevent him, legally, from holding office again. That’s what the trial is about (assuming it is happening), imho.
The only way to keep him out of office is to cheat on the election or for a kangaroo court conviction that bans him from office. Otherwise, We the People will elect him.
Speaker of the HOUSE if not President
Yeah, but it won’t be enough to overcome the 100+ million votes that Biden or his surrogate will get. wink wink
With the post being the mouth piece for the Clowns In Action you can bet there is more to this
the clowns behind biden are not democrats, they are communists.
the same sort who murdered a tsar and his family.
they just stole a presidential election
i understand your hope for a valid election, but you are in a war right now.
Bingo. The coup happened.
The war is on, and has been for a while, we just didn’t notice.
We react to President Trump being indicted and THEY cancel the election …Marshall Law
Tom Klingenstein understands what the normies never will. Until they bleed. Some of them populate this forum.
I just don’t know what to make of this, it’s so completely outrageous yet is being normalized. The uni-party is clearly trying to rile everyone up to raise money and take focus off the disastrous economy they have created. More is coming out about the FBI covering for Hunter Biden that I half expect some Durham-style investigation to try to placate the GOP base while the uni-party goes after Trump. I tend to think that they really will do this to send a message that anyone who opposes the uni-party will be prosecuted. Even if the Supreme Court ultimately steps in and stops it (which is a big if), they sure could raise a lot of funds by indicting Trump. It’s insane yet the average person doesn’t give it a second thought and acts like it is normal and acceptable.
It sounds like you’ve wrapped your arms around it pretty well. But what, realistically and seriously, will we do about it?
I never thought they would impeach Trump and the did it twice…They are threatening conservative Supreme Court Justices over the abortion ruling..maybe they are scaring/intimidating them in anticipation of a ruling over Trump’s eligibility or some sort of conviction..Garland said he will prosecute Trump if there is enough evidence…what a POS.
“An attempt to criminally convict President Trump would be the first shot in a civil war.”…
I disagree, the middle aged who say these things don’t have the principles for it.
The right and left are very similar like that, it is nothing but weak arguments about each other’s versions of morality and blame deflection.
Besides that, the first 100 shots have already been fired. The proof of that is the continuously moving the goal post after every loss of liberty to the government.
Pavlov’s dogs are well trained in begging for supernatural intervention, white knight’isum and fear… It’s ALWAYS someone else’s job / fault/ responsibility.
Your argument is simplistic and defeatist.
You argue that unless a civil war is precipitated on the ‘first shot’, it will not happen.
Most revolutionary changes involve a tipping point, where one too many bricks are finally placed upon the scale.
It is akin to the breaking of a dam, not of a teacup.
That is hardly the argument I am making. That’s the argument Sundance made, and I say it’s completely wrong.
Put your money where your mouth is and try us…..
I have… To crickets!
Why attack “the middle aged?” You actually believe all middle-aged Americans who think a civil war will happen “don’t have the principles for it?” I don’t understand what you’re trying to say.
I’m plainly saying their fat, lazy, spoiled and prefer sitting at a keyboard.
The following is the verbatim transcript of the United States Election Assistance Commission (EAC) Roundtable Discussion that was held on Tuesday, October 20, 2020. The meeting convened at 1:30 p.m. and adjourned at 2:30 p.m.
https://www.eac.gov/sites/default/files/2020-10/EAC102020VerbatimRoundtable.pdf
EXCERPT from Q & A to Stanford Law Professor Nate Persily:
COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK:
Thank you. Professor Persily, what happens if we don’t have certified electors, say, by December 8th? I know we’re kind of jumping the shark there a little bit, but, you know, what is the process? I mean, what can voters expect if we don’t know what the results are?
MR. PERSILY:
Well, the question is whether December 8th or December 14th is the magical date here.
COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK:
Right.
MR. PERSILY:
So, let’s start with the — why you mentioned that date, which is that under the Electoral Count Act, it says that if a slate of electors has been chosen by a process in place before that date, that then that becomes the presumptive slate for the electoral college. We — the short answer is we don’t really know what will happen and the role of the State legislatures and the courts and the Governor and then ultimately, Congress. But just to put the legal machinery out there, right, in the event — there is a question as to by what date do you have to have the electors essentially vote?
That’s December 14th, right, that they have to have voted by then, the electoral slate. And then on January 6th, the — in Congress, they would open up — Vice President Pence would preside over the preceding that would open the certificates of the electoral — of the electoral slates.
Now, the question is if there is no electoral slate coming from a State, what does that mean? And that is not — that doesn’t stop the process, but it depends whether Congress itself would be adjudicating controversies over electoral slates, right? When there’s a process in the Constitution where both houses participate.
If there is — if the failure to have an electoral slate be part of the — the certificate doesn’t arrive in Congress, then there’s a question as to whether either candidate has won a majority of the electors, in which case then there’s a process in the Constitution where the House of Representatives votes by State in order to decide that.
So, you know, it’s — we’ve never tested — we’ve never sort of kicked the tires on the Electoral Count Act process, and no doubt the courts would be intimately involved both in the run-up to that in the event that we don’t have a victor, as well as afterwards if there are competing slates of electors.
I hope that answers your — I could certainly go into greater detail.
COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK:
It sounds very complicated, and I hope we don’t get there actually. We’re hoping we actually do have an answer on Election Night or shortly thereafter, so — but I — just out of curiosity because a lot of people have been asking me, you know, what happens if we don’t know? So, you know —
MR. PERSILY:
Right, and so the question is whether — so the Constitution says that each State shall in a manner determined the legislature thereof appoint a number of electors, so there’s constitutional power vested in the State legislature. However, the Electoral Count Act gives sort of presumption to slates of electors that were determined on — by that date, and then, also the certificate that is signed by the Governor is then given presumptive validity when it comes to the electoral college.
But what you ask is also suppose none of that happens, that we don’t actually have any electors coming from a State, and then that doesn’t prevent us from deciding who a President is, but then it depends on how many electors each candidate has garnered.
COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK:
I think it’s interesting that this year — I mean, I’ve been in this business for many, many years, but this year — and I think Mr. Carovillano mentioned this — voters are intimately interested in these questions, and they haven’t been in the past, so I think it’s really an interesting year. And the voters are very curious about what the process is and how we’re going to get there. And, you know, I think it’s important that we all put the right information out, because there is a lot of confusion over, you know, what this process is. It’s a lot more complicated than folks realize. So, thank you.
United States Election Assistance Commission
Roundtable Discussion: Election Night Reporting for the 2020 Election
Held at 1:30 p.m.
Tuesday, October 20, 2020
https://www.eac.gov/events/2020/10/20/eac-roundtable-discussion-election-night-reporting-2020-election
In other words, there is nothing unusual about a competing slate of electors. They are trying to criminalize this or at least put it in your minds that it is criminal act, when it is not.
I love that people are trying to understand the process and fight propaganda with facts. We covered most of this stuff, for we oldsters anyway, as children. It’s not rocket science.
There is a time for that and a time for pointing one’s army in the proper direction and shoving off and not worrying about the details. Focus on the mission. Expect the lies and propaganda to fly. They will end exactly and precisely when the human race is extinguished from the planet. That’s who humans are and what they do.
Exactly. And they are also trying to make us forget that 2020 was a fraudulent election. It is not against the law to question the results of an election. The real insurrection was the 2020 election.
The Deep State and Democrats have no choice but to try and remove Trump from the battlefield. President Trump has no choice but to run in 2024 or risk being jailed for years.
The first shot of the 2nd civil war is when Biden goes after the farmers. The Democrat controlled cities have no way of feeding themselves. For that matter they don’t produce anything.
So right on so many levels.
LET THE CITIES EAT THEIR MONEY AND EACH OTHER
I am going to plead the Fifth on my reaction to this article.
Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.
Dietrich Bonhoeffer
It would appear that you have already taken a side….
I can see both sides of that. Making public statements in open forums can direct enemy analysis and interest and I can appreciate how people would seek to avoid that.
However, the same dynamic can be useful on a number of levels, particularly in active adverse action activities. Baiting and misdirection are time-honored strategies of our intelligence services, most recently seen in a number of domestic operations against U.S. citizens both individually and in groups.
I’ll bet some of their professional agitators and rabbits exist on this very forum. Heck I could be one.
If citizens wish to fly under the radar and survive, they’ll join billions throughout history who have done similar. It’s a choice. I respect it. Those who give that full and final measure of devotion to freedom and liberty give their lives to ensure the freedom of choice and limit the incursions of others on that choice. Choice can have many ‘sides’.
Grow up and make a valid decision. You cannot ride the middle forever. The movie “The Patriot” is a good example
I’ve already made my decision. My post is reflective of seeing, and accepting, other people’s perspectives. That’s what this forum is about, the sharing of perspectives. I was likely fighting the government long before you were born so there’s no need to grow up, for me anyway.
I totally get what you’re saying. It’s not like we can post on a public forum our gut reaction to the traitors in Washington, D.C. We can only carefully form our words. I tried to. My private reaction is not for public consumption.
I’m not saying much these days, either. I’ve made up my mind. My family and I relocated somewhere with people who share similar beliefs and values. We’re preparing ourselves as a family and waiting. Watching and waiting.
The left has no idea of how dangerous the fire is that they are playing with….
I’d say there is very little cold anger anymore. It’s just being held back
A credible argument can be made that the entire world is already engulfed in a cold civil war.
And the temperature of the tension rises by the day.
Civil War would be dumb and destructive and would fall into the “attempted” swamp trap. This would enable the swamp to get around Posse Comitatus and regular army could legally operate inside our borders.
First off “if” it comes to blows, I believe it would be a 2nd Revolution (I know this was said during the Civil War), the distinction being throwing off an illegal government installed by fraud, with much of it emanating from foreign countries and organizations (WEF). There is no Mason/Dixon line; however we do have the slave element, with the FED.
Everything that the swamp has done shows desperation not confidence since President Trump and First Lady Melania came down the escalator. We saw this with President Reagan, Ross Perot, The Contract with America, Sarah Palin, The Tea Party, then our Great American President Donald J Trump. With these events the uniparty reveals itself. The swamp coalesces to fight off the barbarians aka Free America to stay on their CFR/NWO course. Like Rush (RIP) used to say the left (swamp) will show you what they fear.
For me, the big distinction being our VSGDJT. He knows what they are going to do before they do it. He never conceded…this is a big deal. He never left the public stage, but did a rally in March of 2021, just two months after the WEF installed their fraud B-B-B-Biden. If they could, he and is family would have been Arkincided by now, Vince Foster, Seth Rich, Andrew Breitbart couldn’t be reached for comment.
We’ll see. Another thing that was thrown about in the build up to the Civil War it would be over in a month, after Bull Run it looked that way, we now know it was from 1861 to 1865 with nearly 600k dead. It would be the Free America vs the Blue Hives, and would be Escape from New York in a couple weeks.
Follow President Trump he will be our Paul Revere. “PEACE!” is always preferred, Civil War would destroy ourslves, our cities, our way of life. This should be the last choice.
But, if push comes to shove. God help us.
Great post. I don’t where all of this is going to lead, but for real change to occur in the USA, the media has to be held to account and dealt with intelligently and severely. Absent the cover of the Legacy Corporate DNC State Run Media and Socialism Media and a real media holding government accountable, in pursuit of the truth, our great country would be in a completely different place.
Under that premise, the following would have been exposed and people held accountable:
-Spying on President Trump and many others
-Set up of General Flynn
-FISA abuse and unmasking
-Fake impeachments
-Stolen elections
-Secret hearings
-False Jan 6 narrative
-etc, etc, etc, etc.
The corrupt media are enablers and facilitators of crimes against humanity.
There must be a way forward that destroys this cancer completely, just like in the bowels of the deep state in despicable Washington DC, where a Republican can’t get a fair trial and Democrats get away with murder.
Drexal… You just listed SOME of the injustices we list all the time. What would be THEIR list against U.S.
After nearly seven decades, I barely recognize my ‘way of life’ any more. The attacks on freedom over the decades have been enormous and it’s accelerated in the last few years on every level.
One thing I enjoyed about those who’ve covered the activities of the peaceful patriots, citizens who’ve seen little interest here and elsewhere but who have made enormous sacrifices to follow the high road, was their visits to historic battlegrounds of the Revolutionary and Civil wars and providing that reminder that, even on our own soil, freedom isn’t free; people are killed and die, cities are destroyed, industries laid asunder.
Yet here we are. Out of the last domestic war our industrial revolution accelerated us into world leadership. Was that simply a coincidence of history? IDK. It is what it was.
If there were no chance of Trump running again in 2024, none of this would be happening. The left is terrified of Trump and what he stands for.
My opinion, they are grasping at straws… the corruption CANNOT be hidden anymore its very visible to American people now and these demons know it!! It’s so sad that they’re trying to pull every twisted made-up BS to stop President Trump from running. Yes, a possible Civil War not only within this corrupt government but also other countries. Never in my life have I seen such IDIOCRACY !! These fools are showing their true colors of spite, hate, jealousy, immaturity and CORRUPTION! NOVEMBER AND 2024 cannot get here soon enough. God Bless President Trump and God Bless the USA 🇺🇲❤️🇺🇲🙏🙏
Hey, bring it DOJ. There is a lot more evidence backing our assertions than your narrative. Bring it all to the light of day.
So they did adopt the Arab model: 1 man, 1 vote, 1 time.
I think if they did this it would end the the club. Especially if they would do it three years out.
Maga movement has been doing pretty good in primaries this year. You take out the leader. They will sweep local state and federal elections.
Trump would still be king maker across the country. And if trump still gets to run he would win in a landslide and the swap would be in trouble.
It is weird and dystopian to consider Trump questioning the election results as sedition, while hiding evidence of the coup by various intelligence agencies and deep state operatives to rid themselves of accountability in the same feel swoop.
“What kind of government is it, Mr. Franklin?”
“A republic, if they can keep it.”
want to know how to deal with this current government? Study the V.C. of Vietnam.
I hope they do it…we can finally get this party started…..lots of commies need to meet their ends….it’s the ONLY way.
It seems the guns are out. Is the LEFT not using BLM, ANTIFA as thuggery? Armed FBI/ATF agents to arrest and intimidate conservatives and put them in jail? Are they not torturing Jan 6 “innocents” in jail? Are the criminals out on the street?
Agree?
Yes, and we can use that, particularly the criminal element, who hate bureaucrats, police and the judiciary anyway, train them and let them feed.
Remember when the police took a knee to BLM? When BLM burnt down a police station and the police did nothing? When they painted B L M in huge letters in ‘BLM Square’ in D.C., memorializing their thuggery?
Use it. Criminals make great assassins. Remember Seth Rich.
ch, I am so afraid that you are right.
This was on twitter… don’t know how to re-post… but it was a video of R Barnes stating the below emphatically!
Blair
@skifflegirl
· Jul 20
“That agreement has already been made”
Robert Barnes says Ron DeSantis will be Trump’s running mate in 2024
From a different source. Never been a Twatter ….
Robert Barnes on Trump Desantis ticket. At this point i dont think it matters to the AG if Trump declares to quash prosecution.
https://rumble.com/v1d5i49-desantis-will-be-trumps-running-mate-in-2024-.html
I hope not. DeSantis does not have a replacement for FL
DeSantis needs to stay in Florida. Unless some massive changes have occurred amongst the Uniparty in D. C., NO conservative president is going to make a difference. Any conservative president would be surrounded by corruption from his own party and the Dems. He or she would be able to do NOTHING. The Uniparty would ensure that. DeSantis would be wasted and meantime, what’s going to happen in Florida, a stronghold for conservatives right now? Who would take his place?
The real war will be fought by the states against the feds. Red states against the feds and blue states. Sending good people to D. C. is a waste of time and resources. I hope to hll Texas has the sense to boot Abbott. He’s unreliable and unpredictable. They need Allen West to govern. He’s a true conservative and a fighter.
As always, I leave room to be wrong.
Using information gathered by the J6 committee I’ll bet. Completely unconstitutional but, what do they care? That document means nothing to them.
I stole (borrowed) this:🤡
Trump’s Situation:🦁
1. Imagine thieves stole your car. 🚘
2. You protested and tried to reclaim your car. ✋
3. You are threatened with prosecution (persecution) by the thieves for wanting your stolen property returned.💩🤮
So I suppose WaPo readers believe the evidence presented in “2000 Mules” and that found on Mike Lindell’s website – all that evidence is just so much science fiction? Not to mention the legislative moves to decertify the election in three states (so far). Are these leftists that gullible, that ignorant?
They won’t even look unless Rachel MadCow tells them to.
What makes anyone think that Trump supporters will take up arms against the Feds? There might be a few small pockets of rebellion here and there…but will be squashed almost immediately.
Except for Trump there are no charismatic leaders in this cause… OK maybe Bannon.
IDK a few dozen porn busts like that one in Florida could not only put a dent in personnel but also send a message. Use it.
Then there’s 20+ million military veterans, many with active combat experience, and where they stand.
Then there’s tens of millions in critical infrastructure across the nation, quietly working. Where do they stand?
You’re right though, it won’t be George Washington and his army squaring off against the Red Coats on a yet to be famous battlefield.
They truly are delusional. They wouldn’t want the resulting REALITY CHECK.
I’m sorry, but I have to disagree. They’ve been desperate to criminally charge Trump with something, ANYTHING since 2015. The insane machinations they have engaged in to try to destroy him over the last 7 years have gotten increasingly desperate and Machiavellian. Watching the media coverage on the aftermath of Jan 6th, my reaction was: “Oh God! They’re going to put him in jail! They’re coming for all of us!” These people want nothing short of an outright dictatorship…just look at COVID lockdowns, Canada etc. They’ve told us they want to destroy our way of life and turn us into serfs that own nothing! These people have been telling us what they want to do in policy papers for over 100 years…isn’t it about time we actually listen and take them at face value?
This I agree with. All the talk of civil war is exactly that – talk. Pineing for a civil war is foolish, and I’m not suggesting that Sundance is. The death and destruction that a civil war in a modernized society like ours would cause would make 1860-1865 look like a paintball game. I bow to no one in my disdain for DC and the cancer on the country it is but, a real shooting civil war?
I think it more likely would look like a very much shorter version of the Spanish Civil War (1936-1939)with the Communists losing again. It would ultimately purify the body politic and renew Republicanism.
It would also be a disaster in the short term for the USA.
MAGA controlling thirty-eight states is the preferable course. The other twelve would be cleaned up by the constitutional actions of the thirty-eight.
So it is better for us to let the Democrats/Rino aka Uniparty, continue on their destructive path that will see Pres Trump in prison, millions of Americans freeze to death this winter while any who survive are forced into bug eating slaves.
That may be your stance but it is not and will not be mine.
Everyone who says they fear that bank accounts and homes will be seized, jobs lost and fear shunning from society, seem to have forgotten what the Dem/rino/globalist end game is; you will own nothing and be happy.
And you will eat ze bugs!
Do nothing and lose it all.
Stand up and risk loss, but gain/retain liberty and country for not only yourself but for your children and grandchildren.
Seems like an easy choice to me.
But then I have nothing left to lose.
Sundance, you should not claim what conditions would prompt a civil war.
The J6 fiasco should have been a primer of what not to do when a group is pissed off.
Trump will have to accept his fate.
Ah, yes the Coup d’état that occurred on ONE6, precipitated by a false flag operation all too obviously conducted by the current Deep State occupying Columbia’s Federal District. What group is pissed off though? That would be the Deep State who then created a military occupation zone to show you all of those ‘temples’ there belong to them. The rise of this pseudo Praetorian Guard which represents the interests of the Military Industrial Complex marked the end of the Constitutional Republic in America and the beginning of imperialism. Exactly the same scenario that ended the Roman Republic and began the Imperial reign of Caesars, or totalitarian dictatorships in BC275. Accept that fate then.
A strong case could be made that we are already in the midst of a world war. A second American civil war would be redundant at this point.
There’s already a process in every nearly every part of the world to bludgeon the majority populations into a kind of neo-slavery. The simultaneity in method and timing strongly suggests a (I hate this word) conspiracy. (…and then there are the brazen declarations by WEF people which largely confirm it.)
The nature of war has changed. In the West, Covid, climate, and ‘woke’ are the banners. Control of food, energy, health, and information have eclipsed bullets and bombs as weapons. The actors in the conflict are not governments. Governments have been relegated to mere tools to be captured and used.
I don’t yet see how the plan will fail. So far, enclaves of resistance like Trump/MAGA, Canadian truckers, Dutch farmers, etc. have not shown the resolve and staying power to even enter the field of battle. (I know that assertion will distress a lot of people…please show me how I’m wrong.) In other parts of the world, we’ve seen occasional marches and protests, but the levers of power always remain in the hands of the bad guys.
Will our red wave move the dial, or will most of the people on our side also be ‘captured’?
Captured, the Washington establishment is just too powerful and the media to biased.
Yep, we’re nowhere close to the 60’s level of assassinations and violence yet and that wasn’t even war.
Will it end up like the Reds defeating the Whites and decades of tyranny, death and poverty ensuing until nature, and outside pressure from a superpower, took its course and ‘the wall fell’?.
Unless we found an unlikely ally, Russia as one example, guerilla warfare and/or peaceful protest could go on for decades. The current global condition is, in my lifetime anyway, pretty unique. Students of history can likely find parallels but IDK if the lessons learned would be applicable here and now.
The Canadians stumbled onto a financial tool to effect change but lacked the courage to go full send. I daresay Americans are too greedy and self-involved to fully weaponize their financial power and leverage.
Quite the pickle. I suspect our founders had similar pickles to deal with in their decision-making processes. Pickles of their time. God grant us their wisdom in this time of need.
When (if?) the American people reclaim their sovereignty, these leftist tyrants must be utterly destroyed.
Beria would be so jealous!!
Or be happy that his desciples have learned their craft so well.
and who is going to fight in it? all the cowards that have done nothing thus far while tyrants have overtaken our country? A lot of talk is all this is. if there was ever a line it was crossed LONG ago. sorry to bust everyone’s bubble, all the big talkers didnt do a damn thing about it, so I highly doubt anyone will after they charge Trump. For Gods sake we have Jan 6th Protesters locked up as political prisoners and no one does a thing about it
Another question is, for those who understand who the enemy is and are taking direct action, will they get support from fellow citizens? The lack of support I’ve seen so far is alarming. Scary.
I figured out who the enemy was by the time Carter left office. It wasn’t Carter. It was bureaucrats from the local town all the way to Washington.
Most find it repugnant to take out fellow citizens. We don’t seem to have that issue if the fellow citizens are citizens of the planet in other countries. We’re pretty good about deeming them enemies and sending them to God.
What’s the difference? To me there’s none; they’re enemies of our freedom and liberty. In fact IMO the ones inside the gate are a more exigent threat than any on foreign shores. PDJT was the latest canary in that coal mine, exposing them for who they really are. The rest is up to us.
How people handle it is up to them. There are plenty of peaceful options, civil disobedience options and of course full on no rules killing options. Choice. Doing nothing is a choice too, as you wisely observed. History has found billions do nothing; some are killed for doing nothing, some escape and evade, some survive. IMO, the right choice is as individual as each of us.
Well put
Do they want a civil war? Yes they do want it. It dovetails nicely into destroying this Constitutional Republic. Or we can just go quietly into the night such as we’ve been doing since 1992 when they all signed a declaration of their agenda for the 21st Century, Agenda 21 in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Now Agenda 2030.
They’re already at war against all of humanity. Full out war since 2019, according to them, to “reset” the world into accepting their ONE world totalitarian government. Civil War? No. An occupied land of UN ‘peacekeepers’ from China, Russia, and every nation who hates America. See? Trust the plan. Revelation 17.17. Because nothing can stop what’s coming.
“We’re already in World War 3. We are already in conflict that extends so far beyond Ukraine, actually, even within the context of Western Europe but we’ve clearly been pretty much at war in space, uh below the surface of the oceans, submarine warfare between super powers, uh, I’d even say this has been happening for at least four years, [since 2019] and it’s spilled over into public view on the ground, uh, but we don’t “frame” it that way.” ~ Philippa “Pippa” Malmgren’s statement at the 2022 World Government Summit in Dubai.
Bingo!
The difference is between theoretical damage (somebody else’s) and existential (felt) damage. All political is theoretical until it’s felt. Then change happens.
Today’s reading is apropos.
Just before the reading, God is telling Jeremiah that the Jews will get what they deserve (death, the sword, starvation, and captivity).
This is Jeremiah’s response.
Reading 1 Jer 15:15-21Lord, you understand;
remember me and care for me.
Avenge me on my persecutors.
You are long-suffering—do not take me away;
think of how I suffer reproach for your sake.
Woe to me, mother, that you gave me birth!
a man of strife and contention to all the land!
I neither borrow nor lend,
yet all curse me.
When I found your words, I devoured them;
they became my joy and the happiness of my heart,
Because I bore your name,
O LORD, God of hosts.
I did not sit celebrating
in the circle of merrymakers;
Under the weight of your hand I sat alone
because you filled me with indignation.
Why is my pain continuous,
my wound incurable, refusing to be healed?
You have indeed become for me a treacherous brook,
whose waters do not abide!
Thus the LORD answered me:
If you repent, so that I restore you,
in my presence you shall stand;
If you bring forth the precious without the vile,
you shall be my mouthpiece.
Then it shall be they who turn to you,
and you shall not turn to them;
And I will make you toward this people
a solid wall of brass.
Though they fight against you,
they shall not prevail,
For I am with you,
to deliver and rescue you, says the LORD.
I will free you from the hand of the wicked,
and rescue you from the grasp of the violent.
We’ve seen they’re ready to go well beyond ”Russia Russia”! There’s no limit to their wickedness which is based on their total lack of morality. They are the devil incarnate. They are so unike the American People and culture. (Take it from a foreigner… I’m watching from outside and not being fooled!)
… let us pray…
I don’t think that Trump being charged will cause a civil war simply because nothing was done when the election was brazenly stolen in 2020. Also don’t know why the deep state is worried about Trump they could just steal the election from him again in similar fashion.
Real Clear Politics has a Lee Smith piece today from Substack about Hunter Biden’s laptop and the morass that is the deep state. It’s worth reading.
Here is a direct link to the article.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-national-tragedy-of-hunter-bidens-laptop
From the article
“. . . Sure, the 50-plus senior U.S. intelligence professionals who signed a letter claiming the laptop’s contents were “Russian disinformation” wanted to stop Donald Trump from sending angry tweets at them, but the laptop suggests there was much more at stake.
The U.S. spy chiefs who signed that infamously misleading letter—including John Brennan, Leon Panetta, Michael Hayden, and James Clapper—had directed America’s foreign intelligence services while Biden was vice president and before that chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. They knew what his son Hunter was doing abroad, because it was their job to know what foreign services know about leading U.S. officials and their families, and how it might affect U.S. national security.
But none of these powerful and experienced men, presumably dedicated to defending the national interest, lifted a finger to stop Hunter Biden—and really, how could they? He was Joe Biden’s son, after all. And by doing nothing about him, the pillars of America’s intelligence community became the curators of the Biden family’s scandal.
When Trump started asking questions in 2019 about Hunter and his father, prompted by Joe Biden’s public comments about protecting Hunter’s business associates abroad, it became clear that the only way to contain the mushrooming scandal involving key U.S. interests in Ukraine and China—a scandal whose magnitude they had known about for a decade—was to provide the former vice president with all the resources the U.S. government could muster. And that helped make him president.
The Civil War will be a political war started at the local level and moving up to the State level and the States using their constitutional power to control the Feds. Any action to indict President Trump should see people in local cities immediately pushing a motion of disapproval by their local government agency forcing their Local State representatives to do the same at the State level with Physical presence by the people at the State level if Legislatures fail to act because of Democrat governors blocking action. Remember Red State conservatives are in the vast majority with new support now from moderate democrats against the Federal Actions on food, energy, and breakdown of the Justice system. Physical presence of vocal people at local and state levels is the key. The State uniparty representatives are more concerned and open to risk by their constituents actions than the Federal reps. The show of force has to be at the State and Local level and that force does not have to be violent; but it must be fast,consistent and persistent.
^^ I like that!
Rattling some swords trying one last time to say it was a secure and fair election , just before the rest of the massive voter fraud evidence comes out that they wont have a leg to stand on . Proof of Global coordinated effort to remove President Donald Trump by the Global Deep State /CIA/ FBI / MI6 /. Will be too much for the majority of Americans to let slide
I don’t like the reference to the Civil War. That was about slavery and secession . I think it would be more like the Revolutionary War when we threw the tyrants out. We have the same problem now with the tyrants in DC and the globalists elites. They need to be removed.
I always wondered where the elites would hide. Well…another article from the Washington Post. They even destroyed the bridge to enter…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2022/06/13/yellowstone-closes-roads-rainfall-flooding/
Always remember, great bunkers make great tombs.
AMEN