The Department of Justice announces “Reform and Oversight” of the FBI [SEE HERE]
However, this ¹second memorandum is just mind-blowing from the perspective of someone around the table at Main Justice not saying to the United States Attorney General:
…Um, sir, you do realize a different set of FISA rules and surveillance regulations for politicians, advisors and their staff means you are codifying a two-tiered system within the administration of justice, right?
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They must go!
Bill Barr says a clean reauthorization bill is the best option because his DOJ and FBI will not abuse it. Note the import of AG Barr’s.
Short Term Stupid – Bill Barr Wants Clean FISA Reauthorization Because He Will Not Abuse It…
Posted on February 25, 2020 by sundance
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/02/25/short-term-stupid-bill-barr-wants-clean-fisa-reauthorization-because-he-will-not-abuse-it/
That pic makes me ill; I maintain that the GOP Senate led by Turtle has been/is at least co-equal to any of PDJT’s most severe problems, political or otherwise. The current Senate wants Trump gone as much or more than anybody in DC; they’re all corrupt, with few exceptions-exceptions may be Hawley, Cotton, Cruz, and Kennedy(LA)-the rest are concerned about personal exposure. I expect GOP to retain Senate control, so the House must be retaken, then the House will be PDJT’s firewall, i.e., he won’t have to worry about the Senate so much with a supportive House.
I once thought that to clean up this country President Trump would have to declare Martial Law.. and I would post that opinion.. too much corruption.. too many involved. ..corrupted judiciary
I was ridiculed.. yet today anarchist are murdering people.. they are setting fires in occupied apartment buildings.. and we have the head of the DOJ playing bagpipes.. AG are turning felons loose. Convicted Felons turned loose out of prison.. without completing sentences.
We are to the point where we the people are not equal under the law due to political corruption.. do I have hope that things will get better after the election.. NO.
Do I trust fair elections..NO… do I expect judges to rule by rules of law NO. Do I expect judges to rule that mail in ballots received after Nov 3 should not be counted NO.
Time is running short.. WE STILL HAVE A LEGAL PRESIDENT… FOR HOW LONG…
Expectations Guide Perception.
Know Many, Trust None.
My Father-in-law always said, Love Many, Trust Few. He was a Northern Baptist pastor.
Good for you, Hans. I, too, found out who and what Barr was by reading the excellent, well researched journalism of Whitney Webb. On Barr’s watched, Jeffrey Epstein just happened to get “disappeared”. Ghislaine Maxwell is on ice for the time being.
I, too, was attacked for my views on Barr, on another site. It got even worse when a pompous, vicious bloated tick of a deep state teat-sucker signed on,dug in and slagged anyone who dared imply that that the whole Barr-Durham thing was just so much gaslighting, using his/her full authority as a member of the “injustice system”. Only a couple of other commenters were willing to call that S.O.B. out for what he/she was.
I’d like to say I feel vindicated, and to some extent I do, but mostly I just feel tired.
Isn’t there something in the Bible about the tired? Matt 11:28-30
I think that’s the point, God says “it ain’t happening til you come to me” but hey, I’m just an observer.
It’s a lovely verse, Pale rider. Thank you for posting it.
We need an American Pinochet. Trump can have the job if he can DO the job.
I expect every woman in this room intimidated by criminals at the voting both, and put in situation of avoiding or defending themselves.
I see no hint we will be protected on our way to the voting booth or in it.
Trust,Pray and Read to the Ole Man upstairs he’s got our back.
This will have to be resolved through the power of the LAWSUIT.
“OHR”, the inadvertent LEAKS….ah…RELEASE of some HIGH VALUE FAKE I.C. DOSSIERS.
ONLY THEN WILL POLITICAL ESPIONAGE BE TRULY “REFORMED”.
DEPLORABLE JEDI.
jediphantom: I agree. It needs to be a massive class action, but we must be VERY careful what district it’s filed in. LAST choices: SDNY or DC. It appears to me that people have been injured in all 50 states, and hence that ANY of the 94 U.S. judicial districts would have jurisdiction by naming plaintiffs domiciled/injured therein.
Plaintiffs get to choose where to file, and this is VERY significant. The district MUST be chosen (1) to maximize the probability of getting a Trump judge; (2) be in a place where the jury pool will be mostly Republican; and (3) be in a state where the governor, state and local officials are Republicans who will enforce the law (as the defendants will likely instigate mobs and rioting around the courthouse, and intimidate judges, plaintiff’s attorneys, witnesses and jurors).
An excellent choice is North Dakota: 4 judges, 2 by Trump, 1 by Reagan, 1 by GW Bush; pure red state. In contrast, and while we love Kristie Noem and South Dakota Republicans who would make a nice jury, we must AVOID SD because: 6 judges; 1 Reagan, 3 Clinton, 2 Obama.
The appellate circuit is also crucial. ND (and SD for that matter) are in the 8th Circuit, which is excellent with 20 judges: 3 Reagan; 5 GHWB; 0 Clinton; 7 GWB; 1 Obama and 4 Trump.
From the outset, the defendants will move and fight like hell to change venue to SDNY or DC, which might be the biggest battle of the case. But, for example, with ND/8th we will have a fighting chance to get that motion denied, and the denial affirmed on appeal. Then, defendants would appeal to SCOTUS, and we will see who is there by that time, but that equally impacts all districts and circuits, and hence has no impact on the choice of filing district.
This is a HUGE topic that I have thought about a lot. I have not yet seen any attorneys reasoning in this way. We will need an ARMY of excellent lawyers who are willing to travel to ND and brave the winters there. The judge needs to see his/her courtroom packed with 20-30 attorneys appearing for plaintiffs at ever hearing. Defendants will do the same. This is war.
It would be important to note that many in the SWAMP SECTOR put far more blame on “THE HAG QUEENS” crushing, yet MOST ENJOYABLE defeat, at the feet of COMEY and to some extent McCabe.
Comey’s OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE press conference, McCabes leaking, and then the OCTOBER SURPRISE over the LAPTOP OF CARLOS DANGER.
BARONESS VON CANKLESQUATCH herself blames the FBSPY more than any “RUSSIANS”. I have little doubt that a jury in D.C. wouldn’t have a second doubt about LOCKING THEM UP…..despite everything else. JUST DO IT….INDICT THEM ALREADY.
DEPLORABLE JEDI.
WTF times two.
Can somebody explain why AG Barr should NOT be fired?
No. In a related topic can anyone explain why Chris Wray still has a job?
Can’t do that either!
Ask Mitch McConnell, keeper of the keys to the Nominee Confirmation kingdom.
Kentucky – we need your help. Please organize the biggest, “baddest”, write-in campaign to run a good and true Conservative against Mitch and the Dim candidate in November.
Mitch has worked non-stop to stop President Trump at every turn except with judges’ confirmations.
1. I don’t know what your filing date is for candidates to be listed on the ballot is – so…
2. WRITE-IN, I believe is the legal way to thwart the formal Party system, and the “screen-out” rules that are designed to work against the will of the people.
Re: US Senate and Nov. election, we are paralyzed in PA because neither Senator is up for re-election. Pat Toomey is next, in 2022.
We must retain the Senate Majority in November, but as importantly, we must have a new Senate Majority Leader.
Mitch continues to bedevil the POTUS as well as the will of the voters who elected both of them. I do not trust Mitch to change his game plan. POTUS needs a Senate Majority Leader who will stand FOR the PDJT agenda, and give the Ds a full test of real H E L L.
God knows the Ds deserve a good azz-whooping in both the Senate and the House, in election results, and then from authentic GOP members throughout this next session.
Too late to run someone against Mitch. Believe me you do not want Amy McGraef. Our backs are up against the wall. Mitch thinks Nick Sandmann of Covington Catholic is his saving grace. I am really worried for Nick—-just why did Mitch bring him on board. He is just a high school graduate. I am sure his parents are all in for Mitch. And that right there is the problem with getting rid of him. (jmo)
A write-in against mitch just insures that the dem candidate wins. I don’t like Mitch, but he’s better than any democrat. We need to try to get the good guys in during the primary, then hold our nose if necessary and vote for whatever repub won the primary.
Can’t find someone to run against Mitch, find some leverage on Mitch. Under the circumstances, if it’s not illegal and it slows Mitch’s globalist roll do it.
Nick being hornswoggled into helping Mitch worries me, also.
It would put him on a Ralph Reed trajectory. At one time I
didn’t consider him useless. Now,not so much.
Good Luck w that. Nick Sandmann, w 2 n’s, was just plucked out of childhood, to run Mitch’s grass roots campaign.
If someone were to actually sit down w young Sandmann, and explain to him, that he is being used, by one of the most deviant forces in America, Sandmann, just might be able to do something useful.
Does Robt Barnes have any influence?
I’m stunned his own lawyer, lin Wood didn’t advise Nick that this is a terible idea.
ha
BINGO!!!!
That was my first thought as well.
I think President Trump needs to remove Bill Barr before Barr removes him.
Wow – nice shot!
Waiting for the Bill Barr “trust the planners” fan club to to chime in continue to defend Barr as not part of the swamppy defense group.
I don’t think there are any “trust the planners”. There are people who observe facts and process them objectively, and who also understand that Barr and his team are doing all of the hard work while the rest of us merely opine, and who also acknowledge the good things Barr has done so far including but not limited to depriving Weissman and the rest of the Mueller-puppetry team of dragging out the results of the witch hunt for months.
There’s a disturbing number of people on this site who suffer from BDS. It’s much easier to deal with this stuff when you remove the emotion and unreasonable expectations.
k…
I guess Sundance is what you’d consider as someone who is “suffering from BDS.”
I don’t think Sundance is the least bit deranged when it comes to AG Barr. He knows Barr’s history and feels it would be foolish to completely trust the man. Barr can still produce results and I hope he does, as I am sure most of us want.
As for me, I think Barr is only slightly more on the ball than Jeff Sessions. He is trying to use a paintball gun, instead of a damn flamethrower to clean out the DOJ. That is because he is more worried about how the institution looks to the people, than he is about disinfecting the DOJ with sunlight.
Doverai, no Proverai. Every stinkin’ one of these people of the swamp.
Goodness gracious, a grown up in our midst. Thanks be to God.
Actually I don’t consider Sundance as someone who is suffering from BDS, because sometimes Sundance has optimism about Barr. For example: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/20/ag-bill-barr-responds-to-berman-president-trump-fired-you-effective-today/ There are several more examples but one suffices.
I will say though, at the risk of being booted, that Sundance isn’t always 100% correct. (Neither is President Trump, and neither am I.) Sundance tweeted that Durham is a “head fake”, that there is no Durham investigation, and this was repeated by others ad nauseum for days. But on Sun Aug 30, John Ratcliffe disclosed that he’s coordinating with and speaks to Durham about the investigation. Pay close attention to the last third of this video. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/08/31/sunday-talks-dni-john-ratcliffe-extensive-interview/
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that if this investigation is important, it DOES something before the election, where it WILL BE SHUT DOWN if one party wins.
Sundance isnt stressing the coordinating, dancing, or footsie that people may be doing with Durham. The point is do it while it exists.
Again, Barr told Hannity there will be “significant developments” before the election. That’s all we know right now.
Sundance apparently thought nobody was working with Durham. That’s why on Aug 13 he posted the “head fake” tweet and followed it up with another stating that Durham has nothing to do with the investigation. I linked to one of the tweets above, the other is easy to find. And then after people started to panic he submitted an open tweet asking for anyone who had worked with Durham to respond. Apparently nobody did. But on Sunday we learned that Ratcliffe is working with Durham.
I don’t fault Sundance for an occasional mistake. He does a massive amount of research on many topics and formulates his best rational theories or conclusions based on all of the evidence he has. He had legit reasons for issuing those tweets. I will never criticize someone for employing logic and facts, But I do bring this up as an example of why people need to be open minded and understand that the situation is (ugh, I hate this word) “fluid”. We all need to be digging for facts, scrutinizing the interviews and the documents and anything else we can get our hands on. And perhaps most importantly we shouldn’t wallow in negativity. We’ve been through a lot but there’s really no rational reason to think that Barr is inept or corrupt.
Wow!
Too many dirtbags are still employed in the DOJ and FBI. We held on, with sustained support, believing those individuals continued in place because they were to be deposed and provide evidence of the corrupt attempts to remove our elected President. Did not happen.
Now we see parts of the country in flames, brought to us by uncontrolled rent-a-mobs in the streets who are openly and boldly attacking, and now murdering, innocents. Where is Attorney General Barr? Pretty darn invisible. Pretty darn quiet.
When this circumstance is added to some disturbing results during the maiden voyage of the AG, it makes less and less sense to continue offering the benefit of the doubt.
I wanted to believe. I chose to believe. The evidence to dispel that belief is piling up.
10 ring.
Barr and his team are doing all of the hard work while the rest of us merely opine
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ROFLMAO!!! Anyone here for a few years knows SD does more in a week than Barr’s done in years.
Unless the “hard work” you speak of is keeping up the double talk about protecting freedom of religion and punishing people of the coup. Keeping up such a big ruse must indeed, be hard work.
I’m not talking about Sundance. I’m talking about those of us who comment here. Are any of the Barr haters actually working on the investigation? Part of his team? Do any of them have law degrees and AG experience? It’s so easy to be an armchair AG you know, so difficult to be a real one, especially in this climate.
We’ll see in the end who was right. I’ve always said I’m cautiously optimistic.
…….and I am cautiously frustrated!
But MAGA to all.
I get that. I wish things could move more quickly. I want the traitors to be charged and convicted.
Can you explain his odd FISA rule changes?
I don’t think it’s odd. He’s saying that there will be extra oversight when a FISA warrant is sought on politicians or political candidates. What’s wrong with that? As for the claim that it creates two tiers, I would counter with this: politicians and political candidates require extra protection. We all know what happened to Trump. They might have taken him out of the 2016 presidential race which would have adversely affected ALL of us for 4+ years. It’s actually worse than a private citizen being improperly surveiled.
Just in time for the election of a guy with real dirt on him – Biden. Oh well , move along.
Surely you’re not proposing that Trump’s DOJ-FBI pull the same kind of sh*t that Barry’s did, are you?
he is saying the investigation is over. because kamala and biden are 2 hops to every criminal.
this isnt hard to grasp. gullible?
No, he’s thinking that the extra checks on the FISA process would preclude any candidate from being investigated. But that’s simply not true. The extra checks simply require that the FISA process be legit. No more rubber stamps by the traitors in power, like Rosenstein who IIRC admitted he didn’t read the entire warrant application. (It happened during a hearing, it’s when he said “I’m the Deputy Attorney General, OK?”)
So you still believe Barr will deliver justice (Indictments) on the coup plotters who attempted this coup on a sitting President while also framing his National Security Advisor?
I always say I’m cautiously optimistic.
If had to place a bet right now I would bet that some of the top coup plotters will be indicted. Based on what he said to Hannity, I think he and Durham are putting the finishing touches on a few of them right now.
“He’s saying that there will be extra oversight when a FISA warrant is sought on politicians or political candidates. What’s wrong with that?”
What’s wrong is that it looks like a clever ruse to let the whole FISA issue go, because “well, you know, we didn’t have these protections for politicians or political candidates before”. It reinforces that the protections that were in place, just weren’t enough. Wait for it.
What makes you think Barr is letting “the whole FISA issue go”? I direct you to his Hannity interview.
“I direct you to his Hannity interview.”
Answered your own question. 😀
Apparently you didn’t watch the interview. I recommend it.
The Trump supporters want results and nothing else. Talk is cheap, action speaks words.
Barr has produced ZERO results in nearly two years as AG. Time is running out. The swamp is probably planning now to make sure Trump id NOT re-elected. The same swamp dwellers that should be serving time in prison – They are dangerous – They know if Biden gets in – any and all investigations will come to a dead stop.
Barr needs to act NOW unless he does not have the courage or the balls to get the job done.
The Jury is still out on Barr – But it is looking more and more that Barr is unlikely to produce results.
If it wasn’t for double standards these people would have no standards at all!
vikingmom- LOVE^^^^
Are we still expecting some accountability to occur?
Not here, expecting accountability, at this point, requires self-delusion. And what these new “protocols” do is to legalize everything that was done illegally in the 2016 election cycle because you can bet that the illegal acts in the ’16 cycle were bi-partisan.
B-I-N-G-O
#TRUSTthePLAN //sarc
Yes.
INSURGENCY — COUNTERINSURGENCY
https://2009-2017.state.gov/documents/organization/119629.pdf
Although I’m still maintaining some optimism, the thing that discourages me is that we still don’t know who and how many were spied on off the Carter Page FISA warrant.
With the “Two-Hop Rule” the number could easily be in the hundreds. Even if we stipulate that there wasn’t anything “beyond a reasonable doubt” criminal about those warrants (baloney), they are still defective per Horowitz and EACH & EVERY PERSON who had their communications intercepted & viewed as a result of those warrants has a civil rights violation claim against the government.
Page is going to sue, why can’t the others? If Barr was operating in good faith, he would have notified each one of those victims by now, but yet he hasn’t. Barr seems to want to stop all this with Page who I still think was more than just a CIA source, but a CIA plant for the purpose of getting a hook inside of Team Trump to spy on the campaign.
This stinks.
I keep hoping that some Republican, next time they’re on TV, would point out that 2-hop rule to the talking head and say that because Carter Page came on their show – or any of the network’s show – they too are potentially under surveillance. Make it personal for the media.
Apparently now the Carter Page Woods File is “missing”:
BREAKING: Carter Page’s FISA Related ‘Woods File’ Docs Disappeared, Was It ‘Malice Or Incompetence’
https://saraacarter.com/breaking-carter-pages-fisa-related-woods-file-docs-disappeared-was-it-malice-or-incompetence/
And this is/was the “elite” organization Comey was in charge of? And if this investigation was this “shoddy”, the FBI as a whole must be one incompetent train wreck of a federal agency. And the FBI is in charge of protecting America against Putin? (sigh)
Unfortunately, I’m beginning to believe the FBI mission isn’t what it used to be. There may still be some crime fighting stuff going on but the impression I now have is they are more focused on protecting the elites and suppressing non-globalist thought, talk, ideas and actions. The globalist praetorian guard.
I’d like to believe otherwise but Wray’s circling the wagons routine and the Do”J” indifference screams volumes. It fits the (Gramsci) long march through the institutions pattern. Control, schools, unions, media/information, banks/commerce, churches, fed bureaucracy and now LE.
At the next Trump Rally:
“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find Carter Page’s Woods file that is missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”
Or maybe it is already over at the New York Times?
The Intel Community seems to have no problem getting documents to the NYT, WaPo or CNN when they need to, but not to Congress. (lol)
I agree. I have many times recommended mass civil disobedience, and I once wrote a comment “Martial law, anyone?”, but it’s all herding cats, and a you-can’t-get-there-from-here sort of thing.
Looking for my old martial law comment, I came across this, from David Solway at PJ Media, back in November 2019 (ah, yes, I remember, awaiting yet another IG apology report, and watching the insane “impeachment” being allowed by our criminal legislature):
desperate times call for desperate measures, part 1
desperate times call for desperate measures, part 2
so, again, I agree with you, including the hint that not while we have a legal President fighting for us.
So it comes back to herding the cats: How to get the masses ready for when we no longer have him, and will need to move quickly and stoically against the obsessed insane among us who pretend to be the wiser and more victimized…”Holier than Thou”…that is a key feeling among the immoral activists of today, of every stripe.
Somebody, put up a link to a performance of “Suite: Judy Blue Eyes”…”It’s gettng to the point, where I don’t try anymore; I am not sorry; sometimes it hurts, so badly I must cry out loud, “I am lonely”; I am yours, you are mine, you are what you are…you make it HARD.”
…that was in response to Hans above.
harrydh, I’m here with you. I have restrained from urging “civil disobedience” because I wanted to see our laws used to preserve our Republic. However, I no longer have very little faith in that happening via a judge, a bunch of lawyers, and a courtroom. My main comfort is that the amazing Sundance has set forth irrefutable evidence to bring people to justice. Unfortunately, his epistle has arrived after the foundations are crumbling. We will have to act, not in a court of law, but in the face of hired traitors and seditionists, including the MSM and the dimm zombies.
It is most unfortunate that the scum has been honing strategy and tactics for most of PDJT’s first term. We must quickly gather an organization in support of PDJT to eliminate such opposition. Yes, I said eliminate. We cannot risk their being turned over to bought judges and politicians.
I pray for President Trump and his family, for the safety of Sundance and those he holds dear, and for my fellow Treepers.
And I was just beginning to think that Barr was going to do some good. Don’t forget that he’s been around for a long time. Now what?
He has promised “significant developments” in the spygate investigation prior to the election. Now we wait and see. Or else you can be on the early crucification team … but what happens if he pulls through? They all go “Ooops! My bad”?
And if you are wrong, you get to do the same. You are going strictly on words. Which don’t mean crap. Others are going on actions. You judge people on actions which equate to results.
We will see.
No, not strictly on words. Barr has done several things that are evidence that he’s on the side of real justice. For example, he’s the one who shut down the Mueller witch hunt. That thing was going to be extended, Sundance wrote about it. Barr got Mueller to stop. And then, even better, when Mueller wanted extra time to do redactions before they could publish the result, and they wanted everyone to sit and stew not knowing what the result was, Barr put an end to that nonsense quickly by publishing his own summary. Remember how angry the Dems were about it?? Nobody should underestimate the benefit of Barr’s actions regarding those matters.
Barr is also the person who dropped the charges against Flynn
Barr is also the person who started the investigation of the traitors which is ongoing but was hampered by COVID shutdowns. Barr has spoken periodically to the media and at hearings openly declaring that Trump was the victim of spying.
The Dems hate Barr. They know he can do significant damage. They want to impeach him. If Barr were corrupt, swamp, or inept, they wouldn’t worry, they’d just ignore him.
Wait and see what happens.
Super, the question is who gets to define “significant results”?
Is a new training manual a “significant result”?
Who does the “significant result” benefit?
There has not been one single “significant result” in almost 4 years that benefits anyone on the side of truth and justice. They have ALL gone the other way.
Barr is worthless.
That would be “Significant developments” instead of “significant results”.
Maybe “insignificant results” is more accurate.
And I was just beginning to think that Barr was going to do some good. Don’t forget that he’s been around for a long time. Now what?
Barr is the same man he was when he covered up for ruby ridge and other govt atrocities.
Barr was put in place by Mitch to do exactly what he is doing.
It is also Barr’s responsibility to oversee FBI, it is his job to fire Wray.
It became all too obvious when President Trump tweeted that Wray was part of the coup, and Barr responded by complimenting Wray.
This is proof PT called out Wray. Remember, Barr has backed Wray instead of PT.
This article by Sundance was a year ago last May.
#WeKnow
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/05/12/president-trump-calls-out-fbi-director-christopher-wray-the-director-is-protecting-the-coup-gang/
President Trump can fire Wray too but hasn’t. Every criticism you have of Barr applies to Trump.
No, super covfefe, that is completely untrue.
You can disagree all you want. but do not twist what I said.
I have no criticism of President Trump.
(Barr’s public support of Wray is his message to President Trump, IMO. )
It’s really ok to disagree on Barr. It doesn’t change a thing. ?
I’ve been warning for two years now that Barr couldn’t be trusted and was very much a deep state operative. I wish I was wrong. He’s not going to charge anyone with anything. He gave us our one sacrificial goat.
You might be wrong. Why are you declaring loss before seeing what happens?
AG Barr is NOT going to prosecute anybody involved with the coup because of his Political Silo and INTENT criteria. This is ALL part of his working to reset the DOJ to some time before 2008. To that end, he is putting the curtain on everything, he will clean out people but NOBODY will face justice.
This could also be read as being part of the reset that in some naive way he things this will de-weaponize the DOJ and guard against future use of FISA and FISC for political gain. His rationale being, the FISA will be denied so no crimes will be committed, but then again even this feeble naive statement that leaves in place:
1. The abuse is NOT being reported.
2. Another President, after President Trump can direct the AG to remove this rule or guidance as it is NOT part of the law.
That being said, I share SD’s concern and outrage because does cement in place his 2-Tiered application of the law as well as the 2-Tiered application of the law performed by the Obama Administration.
1. The coup participants, from both political parties, violated practically the entire Federal Code related the creation of, management of and access to classified materials.
2. None of his rules or guidance have the force of law, as they are NOT part of the legislated laws regrading FISA or FISC. Everything he is doing can be removed by the next AG, especially a “democrat AG Wingman”.
3. He will not publicly “report” on the abuse of power represented by the authorization of Obama for everything done to President and Candidate Trump via delegations he HAD to perform for security clearances and data classification purposes.
Barr is not done yet. Why are you already declaring loss?
We have drama addicts. It’s their escapist routine. Sadly.
“Drama” is the right word for it.
“Why are you already declaring loss?”
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Answer to your question, underlined in red. Another win for DS.
How does that excerpt support the OP’s claim that “AG Barr is NOT going to prosecute anybody involved with the coup” ? Do explain.
Nevermind, silly question. It’s like naming the Affordable Care Act, The Great Society, The Fair Deal, etc
There’s no question that this is bleak and infuriatingly unfair…the only silver lining for me is that I always wanted criminal indictment of these coupsters near the election to open up the eyes of the public and push Trump over the electoral threshold…but given the events of the past 6 months, I’m not sure they are necessary to Trump’s re-election bid….this has morphed into a primal, existential choice election with the survival of Liberty and Freedom at stake…I think Trump recognizes this now, and is holding his fire on Barr so not to distract from the trending issue of pure survival of the Republic and our way of life.
Barr to Hannity on August 13:
And I’ve said there are going to be developments, significant developments, before the election. But we’re not doing this on the election schedule. We’re aware of the election, we’re not going to do anything inappropriate before the election, but we’re not being dictated to by the schedule, what’s dictating the timing of this are developments in the case. And there will be developments. Tomorrow there will be a development in the case. Now it’s not an earth-shattering development but it is an indication that things are moving along at the proper pace as dictated by the facts in this investigation.
(The tomorrow thing referred to Clinesmith.)
The quote above occurs at 01:26 in this video:
If any of you have not watched it, I urge you to.
Yep he’s really good at talking! Talk talk talk talk talk in vague terms while people who have committed treason walk free. What a great guy!
/sarc
Did you even bother to watch the interview?
It wouldn’t matter. The cynicism of these folks is impenetrable.
You see, Barr has Trump fooled. THESE folks are so smart….sigh…
Did you even bother to watch the interview?
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Why? Did he do something else besides talk that we missed?
I heard these comments contemporaneously, and agree that they provide a basis for hoping that Barr/Durham have more indictments, maybe some of significance, to come.
Unfortunately, I could not disagree more completely with Barr’s view that an August, 2020 plea by Clinesmith is “an indication that things are moving along at the proper pace.”
The IG criminally referred Clinesmith in September, 2019.
How in the world did it take 11 months to bring this simple, straightforward charge? The case should have been brought BEFORE the IG Report (December, 2019).
Read the IG report, then read the charges against Clinesmith. Are the allegations the same? I’m pretty sure I know the answer to my question but I’m going to double-check just to make sure. Keep in mind we’re talking about actual criminal charges, not evidence of bias.
I’m wrong. The IG report explicitly states that the “OGC Attorney” doctored the email.
In any case, it doesn’t bother me that it took a while for the charges and plea to be announced and here’s why: I envision a scenario where Clinesmith, wanting to escape punishment, wore a wire or in some other way communicated to the other traitors to provide Durham’s team with more evidence. If they had charged Clinesmith back in late 2019 he would have been useless as an investigation tool.
Nope, no cooperation was required as part of Clinesmith’s plea. He got the kid glove treatment without any cooperation, in fact, in his plea, the gov’t exonerated anyone else by accepting the ‘I did it on my own, and no one told me to”
Clinesmith was told to paper the weakness in the file. Normal course we be squeeze him hard with big charges until he gives up the bigger fish. If he doesn’t give anyone up, he get crucified. He got the weakest, lowest possible charge, and got it without cooperating, in fact while denying any ill intent. He was innocently just trying to be helpful and clarifying the email evidence that he was doctoring to reverse its meaning. And got the lowest possible charges, because powerful people in DC are de facto and de jure our unConstitutional nobility.
we’re not going to do anything inappropriate before the election
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Like, uh, indicting anyone who tried to take down the president and by extension, America, in violation of USC regarding overthrow of gubmints an’ stuff?
Rest my case.
But he also said the election is not going to dictate the developments.
And I’ve said there are going to be developments, significant developments, before the election. But we’re not doing this on the election schedule. We’re aware of the election, we’re not going to do anything inappropriate before the election, but we’re not being dictated to by the schedule, what’s dictating the timing of this are developments in the case. And there will be developments.
He has stated on numerous occasions that he’s going to act according to the law and the rule of law regardless of what the traitors have done. And I think he’s right to do that. If he and Durham come up with proof that the traitors actually committed crimes, they’ll be charged, I have no doubt about that. But he also warned all of us that egregious behavior isn’t necessarily criminal.
How does anyone read the underlined statement as an indication that Barr isn’t on our side? And there’s more, if you look at the announcement:
“FISA is a critical tool to ensuring the safety and security of Americans, particularly when it comes to fighting terrorism. However, the American people must have confidence that the United States Government will exercise its surveillance authorities in a manner that protects the civil liberties of Americans, avoids interference in the political process, and complies with the Constitution and laws of the United States. What happened to the Trump presidential campaign and his subsequent Administration after the President was duly elected by the American people must never happen again.”
I realize today’s announcement doesn’t satisfy the lust for convictions (which I share with the rest of you, I assure you). But it’s a necessary component of correcting problems within the DOJ. Just take it for what it is. Y’all act like this is the only thing Barr has done or will do.
Watch what happens next. I remain cautiously optimistic.
Because he is only concerned that it doesn’t happen to “important” people but doesn’t care if this happens to ordinary Americans.
Trump was more than just “important”. He was a candidate for President. That’s a special class of citizen, I don’t have any problem admitting it.
Super elite…: We have no “special class of citizen” in the Unites States of America.
Sure we do,
Unconstitutional, therefore illegal, Affirmative Action Policies.
“special class of citizens” = All except White Males.
JCM800: Well, I meant in an ideal world, with zero gravity, no friction, and the political coefficient set to absolute zero. Just like in the physics books.
But someone like the top members of Pfizer’s merger and acquisition legal team, that’s okay? Or Trump’s chauffeur’s babysitter? Civil rights are RIGHTS, not privileges granted by the government because they’re just working class peasants. I know they say this mass metadata collection is super-helpful, but I’m really having a hard time squaring it with the Fourth Amendment (that and I’m not aware of any/many examples where this data was actually useful. part of the problem of being a sneaky sneak agency).
The time is nigh, Super.
In my opinion, Barr’s talk is cheap. Reminiscent of Lyndsey Graham’s strongly worded letters.
You are not alone. Trump being here is such a miracle. It astounds me the hopelessness of some.
my comment was supportive of super elite
Watch what happens next. I remain cautiously optimistic.
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Translation 1: “I’ll hold the football for you Charlie Brown” ~ Lucy
Translation 2: “Naw. That’s warm rain on your foot. That’s all.”
Translation 3: “It’s in the mail.”
Translation 4: “It’s only a cold sore.”
Translation 5: (sure some of you know this one!)
We’ll see who’s right in the end. 🙂
The more I think about it, the more bizarre it seems that you and some others want me to be wrong. You actually want Barr to be inept or corrupt and you are deliberately ignoring evidence that contradicts your view. I don’t get it
“…. must never happen again.”
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I must’ve missed the part right after that. The part where he said “And I intend to make sure it never happens again.”
Anyone else hear it?
(To a presidential candidate) is the implication from the context.
I tend to agree with SD: he has codified two different tiers of Justice. A FISA app for an “ordinary” person has a different process from a FISA app for a government official.
*I* want the same protection from FISA abuse that government officials have!
You have to admit, presidential candidate Trump was not an ordinary person. And harm to him translated into harm to us.
Which is why they went after him.
Politicians should NOT have more rights than citizens. It is the very antithesis of what the founders were trying to create. It’s why “Lady Justice” statues have a blindfolds.
No, he SHOULD NOT have been considered more or less than an ordinary person in the eyes of the law.
A politician or candidate is particularly vulnerable when the other party has power. They need extra protections.
Read the second memorandum. You’ll see that one of the extra protections is that the FBI Director needs to provide a defensive briefing. Trump was deprived of one while Feinstein and Clinton were provided theirs. Another is AG sign-off on the FISA application. There’s no way the AG can sign off on every FISA application, but it makes sense to do it for politicians and candidates because a) it holds them accountable for such invasive surveillance and b) it makes it harder for the traitors to get sign off because the AG might not want to do it for whatever reason.
Boots: I am entirely with you regarding the the missing “I intend…”
Love you Super, but as my husband reminds me from time to time,
“Talk is cheap; it takes money to buy whiskey.”
Barr’s expressed sentiments are lovely, but without timely, effective action, they remain only lovely sentiments.
This was a multiple-pronged, multiple efforts, sustained, attempted coup d’état. It’s not over yet. So far the score remains in well in favor of the Bad Guys, and Barr is holding out on the American electorate in favor of the safe hides of the aforementioned Bad Guys.
No matter how it pains me to face it, AG Barr is protecting those who merit prosecution; not protection.
Sure wish Barr was in Alaska wearing safari clothes joy riding in pontoon planes drinking with the Eskimos.
How about simply saying they will not spy on ANY American citizens through FISA because they are not legally authorized to spy on American citizens through FISA! For the love of Christ, I simply can not stand it. How hard is it? The FBI can not spy on ANY American citizen through FISA! Period. If you want to spy on an American citizen, get a warrant. Not a FISA warrant and actual warrant. Do actual detective work and PROVE to a judge that you need the warrant. Has everyone lost their Ever-loving minds? This is not difficult
Barr will do nothing now…Or ever…
And if you end up being wrong, what will you say then?
Its too close to the election now. I hope I can eat crow and yell it from the rooftops. This is one thing I really hope I am wrong about.
It’s not too close to the election. Watch the Barr interview by Hannity again. Barr explicitly talks about the timing.
And if you end up being wrong, what will you say then?
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And if you end up being wrong?
You and others pollute just about every single comments section with rants against Barr. I don’t do that.
If proven wrong, we will all breathe a sigh of relief, have our faith in humanity restored, and enjoy the fireworks that follow.
You cannot imagine how much I want to be wrong in my opinion of the AG.
Like I pointed out yesterday in
“Portland Police, FBI and U.S. DOJ Refuse to Arrest Antifa Murder Suspect Michael Reinoehl Because He Supports Joe Biden and Black Lives Matter…”
Richie says:
August 31, 2020 at 10:34 pm
The FBI and the United States Department of Justice have not arrested him; and the only logical conclusion to be gained from that reluctance is that Bill Barr and Chris Wray are Deep State traitors. Therefore no-one does anything.
There’s way more to this murder than meets the eye:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1300660528725909507.html
EVERYONE SHOULD READ THE THREAD POSTED BY SENECA THE ELDER.
From the thread
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First, let me remind you of the words and sounds picked up by the two videos.
1st male voice (MV): “Move! Move! Move!”
2nd MV: “Hey! Enemy club’s over here! We got a couple right here!”
3rd MV: “Him?”
2nd MV: “Pull it out.”
3rd MV: “Right here?”
(Hissing sound. Victim’s pepper spray)
(Two gunshots.)
Female voice: “Knocked him off!”
4th MV: “Go! Go! Go!”
The death squad all knew what to say to each other. In the aftermath, some of the onlookers were no doubt part of the squad. My guess is that only the gunman ran away.
They confirmed the kill and gave the cops disinformation.
Boots- this is a mind-blowing thread! First time I ever heard of this guy. I was sent the link originally from Vlad Tepes blog.
https://vladtepesblog.com/2020/09/01/fascinating-thread-on-the-dark-nature-of-the-riots-and-killings-on-american-streets/
Why is this a surprise? I mean really??? Why are any of us surprised at this? The politicians aren’t subject to any laws they pass. They come into office at $174k a year and, due to lobbyists and insider trading, they become millionaires who don’t have to pay the insane taxes they are forcing us to pay. They give themselves raises. They get $40k a year in office allowance while our Vets are homeless and being pissed on at the VA hospitals. Our system of laws is so skewed right now. The rioters are not being charged while people defending themselves are being arrested and made “examples of” and are talking points by the msm. Even if Trump wins (and I’m praying he does) what’s going to really change? Seriously??? In four years we will still have a war if a democrat wins.
“Look guys, if it’s just some shmuck that we want to spy on and a billion of his friends, that’s fine but we’ve got to be A LOT more careful if the person is in the government. MAKE SURE you have actual, real evidence if it’s a government official or someone running for an important government office!”
If I’m right about Barr you all owe me a huge pile of Dove milk chocolates.
you still tick tocking? I mean talking
Super elite covfefe??
Lol. I will be sooooo very happy to send you Dove chocolates if you are right. Truly.
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2nd lolli’s motion right here. I’ll even cold-pack them for the road – or flight.
🙂
Sounds like a deal, but PLEASE let us have a moment or two to express our doubts without you rushing to AG Barr’s defense for EVERY “non-positive” comment. We all know and respect YOUR feelings.
Expressing reasoned doubts isn’t a problem. Outrageous irrational Barr-bashing, comments about “bagpipes” and other crap that we see here daily, really shouldn’t be tolerated. It adds nothing to the conversation/analysis, and it creates a toxic environment. Rational discussion is in order.
Some people do NOT respect my point of view (I wouldn’t call it “feelings”). I am roundly criticized every time I point out that Barr has done some great things for us and why people shouldn’t be entirely negative about him. That’s why I came to realize that these people WANT Barr to be corrupt or inept, they’re invested in it for some strange reason. Eeyores.
I’m reminded of the great Sessions debates in early 2017. After he recused himself I was one of the first to lose faith. There were several of us. We never said anything outrageous about him but we were regularly flamed. lol There was a mob here who refused to look at the facts and they ganged up on anyone who dared to not be a Sessions fan. But eventually over time people accepted that Sessions was indeed a flop, and the mob either dispersed or took on new names, but at least the flaming stopped. Rational thinking superseded emotional thinking. It was a relief when we could all accept the reality.
I went back to CTH articles/comments from Mar 2 and 3. Very interesting stuff. Most of us (I don’t recall if I was in that category but I’ll assume I was) were hopeful that the Special Counsel would somehow work in our favor. One of the first prescient comments came from someone (not me) on Mar 3:
We needed a warrior and we were given a southern gentleman.
Tucker Carlson had interviewed Sessions and many CTH commenters were upset with what they perceived as disrespect toward Sessions. Carlson was probably profoundly upset that Sessions had recused. The video is gone, I’d love to watch it again with my 20/20 hindsight.
Here it is. I’m watching it now.
Oh my gosh this stuff is fascinating now that we know all that we know!! I encourage others go to back through old CTH articles. I was struck by one early 2017 article how much Sundance had put together at such an early date, and based on what I saw most if not all still holds!
“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.“
Which brings me to another question I had forgotten to post with my first comment….if no one is being charged…why aren’t all the documents being declassified and released prior to the election so the public can see them? Durham and Barr know right now if there were going to be indictments… so..release EVERYTHING. Its the very least POTUS can do.
Listen to Ratcliffe’s interview with Maria Bartiromo on Sun Aug 30. The last third is helpful.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/08/31/sunday-talks-dni-john-ratcliffe-extensive-interview/
I assume if the President tweets about this Barr will accuse the President of making his job impossible. Reminds me of the Muh Muhller hoax investigation obstruction of justice trap.
FBI’s new FISA reformer worked with Brennan on terrorism case that launched Obama-era ‘unmasking’ explosion
By J.E. Dyer January 12, 2020
On Friday, Judge James Boasberg, the newly appointed head of the FISA court’s rotating pool of judges, selected former Justice Department official David S. Kris to oversee the reform of FBI procedures ordered by the court.
It has already been reported that Kris, who served as Assistant Attorney General for the National Security Division from 2009 to 2011, has been a vociferous critic of Devin Nunes in the last several years, and an equally vociferous defender of the FISA surveillance done on Carter Page (and through Page the entire Trump team). Kris’s bias in favor of the surveillance is well known. Within the last two years, he has made the comments recounted by Chuck Ross of the Daily Caller News Foundation:
“It’s disturbing that Page met that legal standard and that there was probable cause to conclude he was a Russian agent,” Kris wrote in an essay March 1, 2018, at Lawfare, a blog operated by the Brookings Institution.
Those connections, Kris’s years at DOJ in the 1990s and early 2000s, his past affiliation with the Brookings Institution, and his founding of a D.C. consulting firm (Culper Partners LLC) could all make us wonder if it’s ever possible to not swamp-source an appointed position in Washington.
https://libertyunyielding.com/2020/01/12/fbis-new-fisa-reformer-worked-with-brennan-on-terrorism-case-that-launched-obama-era-unmasking-explosion/
Island- BINGO. Thanks for posting.
Yeah, I remember Kris. Very arrogant SOB. These scum all know each other and they all appoint each other to cover for each other.
Boom, there it is. Boots has the goods.
I think AG Barr’s support of the legal privilege of the elite American ‘in the club’ noble class, the right elected officials, the SES, gov’t workers, and beltway, Wall Street Acela corridor and Hollywood elite is very well established. He fully supports his cloud people privilege over the dirt people. We shuold just be glad he isn’t putting the undesirables in camps, yet. How else do you reconcile Wolfe (in the club) and Flynn (not)? How else do you pass on prosecuting Clinton for security breaches while Kristian Saucier is in prison? How else do you reconcile his ‘by the book’ and ‘avoid politics’ DOJ rhetoric with the Stone case, or the Bannon case and the gentle kid gloves treatment of Clinesmith?
Barr is a black hat. And I hope he is gone soon. Whether because he failed to do his job, and allows the left to cheat their way to election fraud victory over his ostensible boss, or because if despite his delinquency, POTUS beats the margin of fraud, I hope Trump cans his ass, promptly.
A YES to “No”. ⬆️. And Sidney for AG. Will Mitch, if he remains Majority Leader, “allow” his boys and girls to confirm the Nominee?
Do you consider Trump someone who was in the “noble class”? And do you think everyone in the future who might win the GOP nomination will be? What about someone like Jim Jordan or Devin Nunes?
Ummmm! Read a different way this section of the memorandum could recognize that surveillance of federal officials, advisors and staff have already been unjustified, partisan and based on selective information.
Time to stop it.
That’s how I read it.
Sure is handy that there is a F̲o̲r̲e̲i̲g̲n̲ Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) that they can use to spy on domestic individuals.
FTA: “The reforms also include oversight protocols to ensure that any use of FISA to surveil federal elected officials, candidates for federal elected office, or their advisors or staff is justified, non-partisan, and based on full and complete information.”
Of course, prior to these reforms, they would have claimed to have met the same exact criteria that is listed there. And, they’ll lie and make up stuff again, with this “reform” in place. Having that word “non-partisan” just basically means, “the Deep State, aka Dems and RINO’s, agree”.
Truth didn’t stop them last time. It didn’t stop them about the WMD’s in Iraq. It won’t stop them next time. But – if they get caught (again), they’ll just do more “reform” and won’t ever lose the power.
This “reform” aligns with the sentiment I shared back in February:
iswhatitis says: February 25, 2020 at 10:53 pm: “Anytime the government gains a power such as FISA, or being able to conduct coups against President they don’t like (which, if they fail, have no repercussions), they will not willingly give it up. … Ever.“
Bill Barr recently said on the Levin Show two things regarding the Flynn Matter:
1) “the {Kislyiak} call, on its face was a perfectly legitimate call for the incoming national security advisor to make.” (Yet Comey used it and the sham Logan Act to pursue him for that call.)
AND
2) The evidence “showed clearly that the FBI agents who interviewed Flynn did not think he was lying.” (Yet Comey had denied this to Congress.)
Flynn had been under investigation for 6 months, and was cleared. The case was about to be closed. Comey used the Kisliak call to keep it open; and to “go rogue” (Sally Yates’ term) and interview Flynn without a proper predicate (see Barr’s Comment No. 1 above) and do it even though Priestep was questioning whether the interview ought to occur. “Are we just trying to get him fired?”
Barr is clearly taking Comey to the woodshed with these comments, and in my opinion, he is describing a criminal conspiracy to destroy a man’s life because he crossed Obama, and was now in a position to do him more harm by revealing malfeasance in Obama’s administration.
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Are there lawyers here who can articulate whether a crime has been committed by the above scenario, and under what statute?
I can’t answer your question but I’m glad you brought up that interview. I do believe that Barr is communicating what he can through the interviews he’s giving. I think we would be smart to scrutinize those interviews, not looking for reasons to doubt him, but looking for clues regarding what’s happening with the investigation.
When Hannity interviewed Barr, Barr explicitly told us that the following day there would be a development in the investigation but it wouldn’t be earth-shattering. That was Clinesmith.
I’m watching the Levin-Barr interview again right now.
For others who want to review:
OK, after reviewing the interview I want to respond to your comment:
Barr is clearly taking Comey to the woodshed with these comments, and in my opinion, he is describing a criminal conspiracy to destroy a man’s life because he crossed Obama, and was now in a position to do him more harm by revealing malfeasance in Obama’s administration.
In the interview Barr said that Jensen discovered that the Flynn interview “was untethered to any legitimate investigative purpose. Its sole purpose was to try to get him to lie.” That’s a very powerful statement. Barr said that this was the reason he decided to drop the case against Flynn. But Barr wouldn’t have hired Jensen to merely find out whether or not the case should be dropped, I think Barr assigned Jensen to find out whether or not crimes had been committed by the traitors who conspired against Flynn.
I would not be surprised if Comey is indicted. I know we will all cheer if that happens. Regardless of the targets, if there are indictments we can rest assured that there’s a solid case because Barr told us that the DOJ will not indict unless they have proof beyond a reasonable doubt, i.e., they aren’t just indicting to indict, they’re indicting to convict.
Barr = Mena = deep state/bushies.
Expect more of this. Plan accordingly. Seek God while he may yet be found.
Pardon me; I read the above quickly and have to get back to work –
Didn’t “they” break the law that was already in place?
Why do we need new regulations, law, whatever?
Exactly right. You don’t fix a problem by making a deed “more” illegal, when the existing law prohibited the practice, but was not enforced. So now they just ignore two regulations instead of one, and are still not prosecuted.
Exactly, is it a law or is it not a law. The law was broken, punish the breakers of the law. Geeeez
I read that Barr is in Kenosha today with POTUS
Methinks despite all the angst here today that they are on the same page with this
Just when you think it can’t get worse Sarah Carter is reporting that Carter Paige’s FISA Related Woods File Disappeared (Just like Flynn ‘s original 302).
She states that it had to be recreated using the original FISA warrant. The Woods File procedure was overseen by Joe Pientka and Peter Stzok and used to verify the contents of the FISA application to obtain a warrant to spy on Carter Paige.
“used to verify the contents of the FISA application” – hahahahahahahahahah!
For a bunch of professional G-Men, their techniques are beaucoup amateurish.
“Did I call it, or what??” – George Orwell
“Metoo” – Ray Bradbury
“Yep,” — Rod Serling
What is hilarious is shipwreckedcrew and the guy at meaning in history have been telling their viewers basically to trust Barr and Durham as they were going to uphold justice and enforce a one system of justice in the end while also bashing Sundance this entire way as if his insight has been crazy and he knew nothing about the law.
Well the joke is on them because in the end Sundance has been 100% spot on with his assessment of Barr, Durham and this investigation and these “foolish legal experts” trusted Barr and in the end he just kept the same two tier system of justice in place with no body in Dc being held accountable for a coup on a sitting President and framing his National Security Advisor.
And only those who served and supported PT got persecuted by the DOJ
Absolutely amazing.
Bogeyfree??
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It is astounding that Wm Barr’s bar for the justifiable is so loathsomely low. He is only one in a very long parade of elected, appointed, and bureaucratic lemmings, all following each other, generation after generation. I hope they, at long last, march themselves off a cliff.
Actually not 100% spot on. I commented about one of the errors above.
I’ve repeatedly posted that shipwreckcrew was/is? A 22-year prosecutor at Main who was lamblasting SD, repeatedly. Glad to see you finally quit posting acolades about shipwreck when his obvious loyalty is to Main justice a/k/a coverup to protect the institution.
We have been given repeated and ample evidence over time to fully understand that nothing Barr does to impede the justice process should surprise us. Moreover, with the corrupt Senate dictating the person to be the AG, there is no reason to expect positive change in the future.
It’s never pleasant to recognize the inability to right a wrong.
How does this impede the justice process? He’s demanding extra oversight when a FISA is sought.
Another day and another opportunity to never relent in speaking the truth regarding the scorecard of Bill Barr’s DOJ as it “seeks” to reassure Americans there is only one tier system of justice.
So look over this list and ask yourself how is it even possible that NONE of these things has generated a single crime or indictment by Barr?
Barr claims he is all about a one system of justice.
So you decided after reviewing ALL of this below is there is one system of justice or one for DC people and one for the rest of the country?
1) Uranium One – No Crimes, No Indictments
2) Hammer Spying Program & 47 Hard Drives of Evidence – No Crimes, No Indictments
3) Anwan Brothers – No Crimes, No Indictments
4) HRC Unsecured Server & 33K Emails – No Crimes, No Indictments
5) Wiener Laptop Contents – No Crimes, No Indictments (outside Wiener)
6) DNC Server Hack – Alleged Crime, No Indictments
7) Seth Rich murder – No arrests, No record of FIB Investigation
8) Fake Dossier and fraud on FISA Court 4 times – No Crimes, No Indictments
9) Years of FISA Abuse, documented by an audit with an 85% illegal surveillance rate – No Crimes, No Indictments
10) Years of FIB/NSA Contractor Spying Abuse – No Crimes, No Indictments
11) Carter Page FISA Leak – No Crime for Leaking (just one count lying)
12) Numerous other known Classified Leaks – No Crimes, No Indictments
13) Numerous referrals to DOJ from Congress – No Crimes, No Indictments
14) Numerous Agents violating FIB & DOJ policy – No Crimes, No Indictments
15) Ukraine WB fraud – No Crimes, No Indictments
16) Impeachment Fraud and made up narrative by House Leader – No Crimes, No Indictments
17) Ukraine Money Laundering – No Crimes, No Indictments
18) Epstein Murder that is labeled a suicide – No Crimes, No indictments
19) Withholding exculpatory evidence and records in the Gen. Flynn case – No crimes, No Indictments
20) Framing of Gen. Flynn and PapaD – No Crimes, No Indictments
21) Phil Haney Murder – No Crimes, No Indictments
22) Altering document & Lying about Carter Page status as a CIA Asset – Wrist Slap
23) Unmasking of hundreds of Americans – No Crimes, No Indictments
Seriously, look at this list and virtually NOTHING from our Government. I’m not sure it is even statistically possible but here it is.
This is why millions laugh profusely at our DOJ and now at AG Barr’s hypocrisy.
This list SCREAMS, two tier system of justice! one for DC and one for everybody else.
It truly is sickening!
I just copy-pasted your list into a personal file, Bogey. It will serve to ensure that I never forget, to show my adult sons to further discussion, and to send around to my local, state, and federal political representatives. Very helpful. Never forget what they have done to our President, to our country, and to us.
You seem to be blaming all of those things on Barr. But Barr wasn’t AG until Feb 14 2019. Let me just pick one at random …. Awan Bros. It appears that plea deal was executed in July 2018. Let me pick another one …. Framing of Flynn. This one is easy. Flynn plea deal was executed in Dec 2017. Let me pick another one …. Seth Rich murder. Seth Rich was murdered in Jul 2016. I’m not going to continue. Is there anything on the list that was actually under Barr’s control?
We’ve finally opened Schrodinger’s Box and found the Cat of Justice. . . . dead.
All available evidence now points to the black hats having a lock on the system.
Now someone should ask AG Barr since he personally went over to Italy with Durham to get Mifsud’s phones, does HE still have them and what was on them?
Were they truly gathering evidence or just gathering?
This sham of an investigation IMO should go down as the all time greatest sweep job in American history.
What evidence do you have to support your viewpoint? That the investigation hasn’t completed according to your schedule?
Barr has told us that the investigation is progressing and that there will be significant developments before the election. Sit tight. Wait and see what happens. Why be so negative? (I call it “worrying in advance”. It’s not healthy.)
All future harassment of candidates and Presidents-elect will be done “by the book”.
We have foreign governments paying our politicians/families for their Influence. Add FBI/DOJ and other Agencies to the list.
For this reason alone we must require transparency, financial reporting and termination of employment.
We must FISA them all!
Is Barr saying the spying on Carter page was legit???
Is he saying all the Americans data collected via warrant is legal and ok? the Exported data is okay?
….1
A FISA warrant was obtained for Carter Page on October 21, 2016. The Steele Dossier appears to be the primary supporting evidence of the warrant. The primary sub source (PSS) for this dossier was Igor Danchenko.
….2
This PSS was interviewed by the Washington Field Office (WFO) FBI 3 times in 2017 on January, March, and May. In May 2017 the PSS informed the WFO FBI that in January of 2017 he told the “Crossfire Hurricane” Investigation team that there was “zero” corroboration for any statement within the dossier.
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In fact, in the PSS’s previous interviews in January and March of 2017 he informed them it was all “word of mouth and hearsay”.
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On August 19, 2020 the FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith (submitting this FISA on Carter Page) admits to altering the email for the FISA application during the ‘Crossfire Hurricane” Investigation.
https://4thamendmentrestored.com/
use this site to get people caught up on CTH articles and brought to CTH. (every image or anything on it CTH can have full access to, use, whatever)
Well ain’t that just a kick in the nuts. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Additional point related to this is the Woods file that went missing. Google Sara A. Carter to get the latest ( I would link but meh..she’s only sort of ever over target and is more tick tock)…
So the Carter Page woods file went missing. We are only finding out now.
The Woods file was ‘recreated’ by SC based on chain of communications (i.e. attachments to memos discussing etc)
Wanna bet the ‘original’ woods ‘file’ (file not entirely accurate descriptions) … may have exonderated Flynn and that’s why it was made to disappear??? (Also probably discussed denied FISA which court refuses to admit actually happened.
Barr and the DOJ must not have noticed all the spying for inside trading from all those contractors. I would think letting politicians become multi millionaires through inside trading would have ranked fairly high in any reform. I figured that all us poor peasants would not rate high enough to create special protections from fisa abuse. Now that politicians are highly protected from any investigations unless one of their minions approves it, I guess in their world that fixes it.
The whole coven is coming down.
Trump said, “when i leave the presidency in 5 years hopefully they will all be dead.
Military tribunals.
“Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the U.S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”
Thomas Woodrow Wilson
28th president of the United States from 1913 to 1921.
Amazing. The response to the abuse of our intel capabilities by federal officials and law enforcement is to shield those same people from from being investigated by conflating the investigation of these crimes with the crimes themselves. That Bill Barr sure is clever isn’t he? Nobody will notice what he did there! He got us!
Amazing. The response to the abuse of our intel capabilities by federal officials and law enforcement is to shield those same people from from being investigated by conflating the investigation of these crimes with the crimes themselves. That Bill Barr sure is clever isn’t he? Nobody will notice what he did there! He got us!
Barr is saying that what happened to Trump will not happen again, regardless of which side the candidate is on. FISA warrant applications will receive extra scrutiny, as they should. That the applications will contain “full and complete information”.
Uhmm, that’s not what he’s saying.
Why do you need an audit dept to oversee criminals breaking the rules if you aren’t going to prosecute said criminals? What Barr seems to be saying is that the FBI needs to hire more criminals to oversee the criminals that are breaking the law to make sure they don’t get caught next time.
Simply prosecute the ones who broke the law the first time. That’s the only incentive that will work. If you don’t then there is no incentive to obey the law and it WILL happen again.
Hell, it probably hasn’t stopped happening since 2016 and before. No one really knows how deep this goes. If people don’t go to jail, we never will know.
Or does this mean he is going to use FISA to potentially look at links between elected officials and their staff and ANTIFA – BLM?
I hope so.
SO, abuse of the system is okay…just not for when it is used against our betters…our supposed public servants. I suppose we are all equal…just some are more equal than others.
No way will a system designed to protect the people he actually be used to protect the people. The system is beyond reform.