Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy was in Paris talking to Emmanuel Macron last weekend while Rubio, Witkoff and Kushner were meeting with Ukraine officials in Florida. This telephone call is reported to have taken place the following day, on Monday.
French President Emmanuel Macron, German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte, Finnish President Alexander Stubb, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy together with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk, Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni, Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen, Norwegian Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre and European Council President António Costa held a conference call.
A transcript of the call was leaked to Spiegel, a German news outlet. According to the narrative the assembled group of EU leaders were discussing how the Trump administration was going to betray Ukraine in order to get a peace deal with Russia. The gist of the narrative sounds accurate, though some of the EU leaders are denying the specifics of the wording used.
EUROPE – “There is a possibility that the U.S. will betray Ukraine on the issue of territory without clarity on security guarantees,” Macron said, according to Spiegel, adding there was “a great danger” for Zelenskyy. The Élysée did not immediately respond to POLITICO’s request for comment. Spiegel reported the Élysée denied in a statement to the German outlet that Macron spoke of any betrayal. “The president did not use those words,” Macron’s office said, per Spiegel.
Merz chimed in that Zelenskyy had to be “extremely careful in the coming days.”
“They are playing games, both with you and with us,” Merz said, seemingly referring to Washington’s envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner — the son-in-law of American President Donald Trump — who spent five hours locked in talks with Russian leader Vladimir Putin on Tuesday.
Merz’s spokesperson Stefan Kornelius told POLITICO: “As a matter of principle, I do not confirm or comment on snippets of conversation.”
Finland’s Stubb seemed to agree with Merz, according to the transcript. “We cannot leave Ukraine and Volodymyr alone with these guys,” he said, apparently referring to Witkoff and Kushner, which attracted agreement from Rutte.
“I agree with Alexander — we must protect Volodymyr [Zelenskyy],” the NATO chief said. NATO declined to comment when reached by POLITICO.
[…] The call also saw the issue of Russia’s frozen assets discussed, Spiegel reported, with some leaders insisting that seizing Moscow’s billions to fund a massive tranche of financial and military aid for Ukraine was a matter for the EU to decide, not the U.S. (more)
The EU is very worried President Trump may formulate a peace agreement then present the final terms to Ukraine without the EU being involved in the construct of the details.
The EU is opposed to any peaceful end to the conflict, because the EU and NATO have positioned their collective economies to only benefit if the military spending continues; they are backstopping their spending with the confiscated Russian assets.
This phone call is reported to have taken place one day after Witkoff, Kushner and Rubio met with the Ukraine delegation to discuss terms, and exactly one day before Witkoff and Kushner arrived in Moscow. For the Europeans to be sending warning signals to Zelenskyy is really ridiculous.
The Ukraine team was literally with Rubio and the U.S. delegation the day before Witkoff/Kusher left for Moscow.
This call with Zelenskyy doesn’t make sense from the perspective of the EU telling Zelenskyy what is going on, because Zelenskyy’s own team is right there in every moment of the discussions.
This is like a high school social club concerned about optics at prom.
Typical EU pontificating interference.
It’s worth a read.
Putin Says Russia Is Ready for War With NATO
https://thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/putin-says-russia-is-ready-for-war/
Putin can’t handle Ukraine. The Poles alone would humiliate Russia further.
LOL, this tripe has been pushed since the start of the war “Putin’s about to lose!!111”
Reality is going to blast your ass awake at some point, buddy.
Sooooo….you have already war gamed a possible EU/Russia conflict?
Seems to me one strawman post being answered by another.
Ban me, what a dumba$$ post. Sorry. Yea, like in WWII?
If by betray they mean not shoveling more taxpayer money by the ton into the pockets of the crooks running Ukraine, then by all means I am for betrayal.
I’m standing on deck with you on that. I guess (ha,ha) it wasn’t just the Bridben family who was raking in on drug trade occurring in the Ukraine. I suggest that anyone of these buggers who like Zelinsky so much, they should become a SANCTUARY country for Zelinsky to live in. SNORT. I guess some countries are really hooked on drugs. Can’t get enough of that funky stuff and the money attached to it going up their nose.
European civilization is in a rapidly intensifying decline, the causes of which are predominately self inflicted.
The Euro politicos clamoring for continuing war in Ukraine and collaborating against PDJT’s peace initiatives are equally soulless and malevolent.
I sense that the collective, indigenous Euro citizenry that has been driven to anti-government violence is nearing a profoundly negative inflection point.
I doubt things will end well for “the continent.”
“The New York Times–bestselling conservative author explains why he believes certain social trends will lead to the downfall of the United States.
America is disintegrating. The “one Nation under God, indivisible” of the Pledge of Allegiance is passing away. In a few decades, that America will be gone forever. In its place will arise a country unrecognizable to our parents. This is the thrust of Pat Buchanan’s Suicide of a Superpower, his most controversial and thought-provoking book to date.
Buchanan traces the disintegration to three historic changes: America’s loss of her cradle faith, Christianity; the moral, social, and cultural collapse that have followed from that loss; and the slow death of the people who created and ruled the nation. And as our nation disintegrates, our government is failing in its fundamental duties, unable to defend our borders, balance our budgets, or win our wars.
How Americans are killing the country they profess to love, and the fate that awaits us if we do not turn around, is what Suicide of a Superpower is all about.”
I might want to read this if I can bear the ‘end of the story’………..
He was fired from MSNBC for writing it.
Firing Pat Buchanan
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/blacklisting-pat-buchanan/
“Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.”
Are we completely sure Gerry Rafferty wasn’t singing about the UniParty Deep State Globalist Cartel?
Bruce, there is only one Party whose majority is Communist. We have to elect Repugs because the alternative is straight up Communism. That is the facts. If that happens, you will never get to vote again, you will have all of your real property stolen from you, and you will be removed from your job and be sent to a re-education camp.
The good news will be they will feed you at least once per day and give you water if you ask for it by showing them you love them, at least occasionally. They may even give you a place to sleep but you will never see your home again. The fact that you want our Country back will never be forgotten by your new mentors and you will be just like me. Only I think I know which side of the fence to be on when the preliminary political shoving matches turn into a full blown bloody mess. We will not get to straddle the fence.
I remember that song. Think I have it on vinyl. My fun these last few days has been listening to what I have on vinyl. NOTHING sounds as good.
I’m saying it clearly: if this war doesn’t stop now, we’re heading straight into a nightmare nobody dares to talk about. The final days of the Ukrainian army won’t look heroic at all. They’ll look like mass surrender, chaos, commanders running for their lives, and armed fighters spilling into neighboring countries with no authority left to restrain them.
Order will collapse first at the front, then everywhere else. Lawlessness will hit its absolute maximum. People will loot to survive, gangs will form overnight, and old allies will turn their weapons on each other for money and scraps of power. Violence will spread like wildfire, and whatever remained of state institutions will simply fall apart.
And while this happens, Russia won’t even need to intervene. It will just watch from the sidelines as the entire “Western democracy experiment” in Ukraine collapses under its own weight.
Nobody speaks about this scenario.
There is alot of talk on the internet about some very high officials that will be revealed if the investigations go forward on all the donations to Ukraine. I am not talking about the government of Ukraine, I am talking about the World…
Everybody knows, the funds are not being audited because political pockets are being filled to the brim and even the US will not survive what will be revealed. I am sure the Ukrainians will have receipts cause no one in their right mind can be involved at this point.
Here is one example:
There is talk about a secret contract between Sir Keir Rodney Starmer and Zelenskiy concerning energy.
Maybe take a look at this article:
Ukraine has become Europe’s war – so why doesn’t it act like it?
European leaders have been issuing lofty declarations, but it’s time to treat Ukraine like the emergency it is – or face the consequences.
What this says, it’s already happening- and it’s been happening, it’s growing worse by the day.
Military Watch Magazine: Ukrainian Army Collapsing Amid Mass Desertions
https://voennoedelo.com/en/posts/id3953-ukraine-faces-massive-desertion-crisis-mwm-reports
And this:
https://tass.com/world/1864367
And this:
https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-10-14/alarm-in-ukraine-over-increasing-number-of-army-deserters.html
Zelenskyy’s task is to obtain and pass full information so the war can’t be stopped and to keep his pockets full. 😛
Today, Ukrainian representatives will continue their discussions in the United States with President Trump’s team. Our task now is to obtain full information about what was said in Moscow and what other pretexts Putin has come up with to drag out the war and to pressure Ukraine.
Ukraine is prepared for any possible developments, and of course we will work as constructively as possible with all partners to ensure that peace is achieved – and that it is, after all, a dignified peace. Only a dignified peace provides real security, and we fully understand that this requires – and will continue to require – the support of our partners.
Best thing Zelensky can hope for is to get his night club job back playing his D#ick on the piano.
These EU leaders can have a seat,several seats in fact a whole section of
seats. The did NOTHING for 3 years on ending this war.. now POTUS comes
in does the heavy lifting and they want to be a part of it..or have a say.
Yeah, no don;t think so…
Barbara Tuchman, call your office. We have a sequel. These fools are playing all the way to the end. Goodbye NATO, goodbye foreign bases, goodbye American dollars. Goodbye them. George Washington was right. Trade with them, take their money. Otherwise have nothing to do with them.
The terrifying prospect of peace…
The speech by Putin a few days ago discussing the condensation of the 28 point plan with the follow up from Rubio made it clear that the end of hostilities would not involve the EU. The phone call today seems to understand that, and to recognize that Z will not be safe in Ukraine. The EU role is to find a retirement home for Zelensky.
Israel does not extradite members of the chosen ones.
Maybe the EU can take hold of the reins and we’ll just back away!!!!!!
The common denominator in all the havoc
who is it?
Alex Soros.
Married to Huma Abedin, so they can’t testify against each other in court.
Gives new meaning to the term “marriage of convenience”.
Britain out of 5 Eyes and UN Security Council. UK trying to reverse 1776 for 250 years.
Also, any deal with Ukraine outs the money-laundering to the UK and Germany.
How well did EU interference work last time?
Peace means that Europe will not get its continental army. It really really wants it’s continental army.
How does the EU specifically benefit from the war?
Goods manufacturing?
Graft?
Deficit spending limits set by the EU waived during the war?
drug money.
It’s a distraction within their own borders from the very significant problems they are facing due to their policies of the last 10 years.
It’s a method to siphon off money, both from the American taxpayers and their own.
It allows them to continue to pursue their dream of breaking both Russia AND the United States in order to ravage them for their resources (which they have none to little of), their finances, and their tech – as well as furthers their goal of a one world government, run by their masters but in which they get courtier roles. Macron’s will be as the court jester.
It staves off their own financial collapse that is on the horizon and getting ever closer.
Just in :
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/xi-joins-macron-in-southwest-china-on-rare-trip-with-a-global-leader-outside-beijing
https://cassette.sphdigital.com.sg/image/straitstimes/cd3fe95cc18f53f971b42f050f4b2bfa3a688d40a3f0e05e52a33ea83b73c8c2
One thing we can be certain of is the failures of the Ukrainian army are well noted from satellites and other intelligence. They cannot hide what is happening and everyone involved knows it.
They have been hiding it for years!
It’s time that Trump should tell them that they already FA and now it’s time to FO.
This Zelenskyy midget is no Winston Churchill, l think.
No cure for stupid.
“This is like a high school social club concerned about optics at prom.” Brilliantly put!
None of those people ever got their hands dirty doing any kind of actual work. That sickens me. Some of them have no children. That sickens me. US SENATOR Lindsey Graham (in the closet) is willing to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. That sickens me.
Please GOD, watch over President Trump and his team. Evil, bad forces are working to destroy Trump. That sickens me.
The whole charade is kinda laughable.
Does Macron really believe his very unstable gov’t will stay in tact should NATO/France go to war? Same question applies to many other EU countries.
The EU can’t afford for the Ukraine War to end. Its economy and its constituents economies are based on lending money to fight wars. Then sell the equipment to fight the wars.
Once the Ukraine War is over the EU is BK.
In the meantime, they are all planning on ditching Zelensky in favor of General Zaluzhnyi, who is being groomed by the British.
Who’s the European Union in this conflict? It is between NATO, Ukraine and Russia. The EU is not a NATO member, why are they involved.
Trump needs to leave NATO and allow the EU to fill its place.
Then let’s hear them speak…