CNN Journalist Who Pushed Original Dossier Story Now Covers Invalid FISA Application That Relied on Dossier…

Did the original scope memo from Rod Rosenstein in May 2017 authorize Team Mueller to investigate allegations in the Steele Dossier?…  Allegations that were already debunked by the FBI four months earlier in mid-January 2017?

There’s more than a little irony in this brief CNN soundbite where Evan Perez is discussing the FBI’s fraudulent FISA applications.  On January 10th, 2017, it was the same Evan Perez along with CNN’s Jim Sciutto, who were operating as conduits from the FBI ‘small group’ to push the Steele Dossier as a valid investigative document. {Go Deep}

Evan Perez, Jim Sciutto, Jake Tapper and Carl Bernstein were working together with the FBI group headed by James Comey, to push the legitimacy of the Steele Dossier.

While the CNN crew was coordinating with the FBI; literally two days before the FBI renewed the FISA warrant on January 12th; and shortly after CNN pushed the narrative; FBI agents visited the U.K, interviewed Steele’s primary sub-source and determined the dossier was garbage.   It was the Steele Dossier being identified as garbage that made the FISA renewals invalid…. the same Dossier that Evan Perez was promoting in 2017:

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Inspector General Michael Horowitz informs us in his report the FBI determined the dossier was bunk “shortly after” the January 12, 2017, FISA renewal.

CNN reported on the Dossier on January 10th, 2017.  Buzzfeed published the Dossier hours later as an outcome of the January 10th CNN report.  We now know the FBI was leaking this information for this purpose.  Less than 48 hours later, the FISA application that relied on the Dossier was renewed by the FBI on January 12th, 2017.

Shortly after the FBI renewed the FISA, FBI agents interviewed Steele’s primary sub-source and determined the Dossier was junk.   That is why the DOJ is currently informing the FISA Court all activity after that interview made the FISA applications invalid.   The FBI knew in mid-January 2017 the Dossier was debunked.

Without the Steele Dossier, there would be no FISA warrant.

The Steele Dossier was the investigative virus the FBI wanted and needed inside the system. To get the virus into official status, they used the FISA application as the delivery method and injected it into Carter Page. The FBI already knew Carter Page; essentially Carter Page was irrelevant, what they needed was the FISA warrant and the surveillance justifications it provided.  The Dossier was how to get it. {Go Deep}.

Fusion GPS was not hired simply to research Donald Trump, the intelligence community was already doing a variety of surveillance and spy operations. The intelligence community needed Fusion GPS to give them a plausible justification, to obtain a surveillance warrant, to cover pre-existing surveillance and spy operations.

Fusion-GPS gave the FBI the justification they needed for a FISA warrant with the Steele Dossier.  Ultimately that’s why the Steele Dossier is so important; without it, the DOJ and FBI are naked with their FISA-702 database abuse and 2016 surveillance operations.

That’s why the FBI small group, which later transitioned into the Mueller team, were so strongly committed to -and defending- the formation of the Steele Dossier and its dubious content.  The Steele Dossier contained the cover-story and justification for the overall surveillance operation.  Ultimately, without the dossier they wouldn’t get the Mueller investigation…. Everything was contingent upon that Steele Dossier.

Perhaps the FBI knowing the Dossier was garbage in mid-January 2017 is why we are not permitted to see the May 2017 scope memo written by DAG Rod Rosenstein to authorize Robert Mueller.  Does the original scope memo authorize Team Mueller to investigate the allegations in the Dossier?…  Allegations that were already debunked four months earlier?

The original FISA application was October 21st, 2016. The first FISA renewal was January 12, 2017 (84 days from origination). The second renewal was April 7, 2017 (85 days from prior renewal). The third renewal was on June 29th, 2017 (83 days from prior renewal).

The DOJ has now attested to the FISC the FISA application on April 7, 2017, and the FISA application of June 29th were invalid. However, the DOJ has not taken a position on the validity of the original application, Oct 21, 2016, or the first renewal of January 12, 2017.

The FBI has agreed to “sequester” all information and evidence received as an outcome of all the FISA warrants issued against Carter Page. Meaning, all material, in any court proceeding or subsequent secondary warrant on another target, application, filing, motion, prosecution or downstream use of the information gathered and obtained; the FBI will now assemble all materials, from any location, that stemmed from the Carter Page FISA warrants.

In essence, the FBI will now look and retrieve any evidence that stemmed as an outcome of the Carter Page FISA warrant. Some of this material *may* (perhaps likely) will be in the Special Counsel Mueller investigation.

[ie. a proverbial search for the fruit of a poisonous tree. Where is it?]

Once the sequestration has taken place, the DOJ will then be able to determine to the court what collateral impacts they have identified.

The DOJ has yet to inform the court how exactly they plan to do this, or when they anticipate to have completed the task. However, the FBI has agreed to undertake this sequestration for ALL of the FISA applications, not just the two renewals they now admit are invalid. READ:

The issue of the validity for the October 21st, 2016, originating FISA application; and/or the issue of the validity for the first renewal January 12th, 2017, is not yet determined.

The FISC brief outlines the Office of the Inspector General (OIG), who is currently doing a review of all FISA applications, will be the one assist the DOJ in reaching that conclusion.

Worth noting in the second paragraph (above): “pending further review of the OIG report and the outcome of any investigations or litigation.” This was a statement made by the DOJ in response to the FISC. It is possible the ongoing investigation by U.S. Attorney John Durham is part of this encompassing statement.

The second page of the order by Judge Boasberg is essentially him relaying the law surrounding FISA applications; warning the DOJ that false material submissions -which the DOJ has just admitted- are illegal; and Boasberg wanting to know answers to the same questions many of us have.

Essentially, Judge Boasberg is asking: what did the FBI do with the Title-1 surveillance warrant they received from the court? What material did they collect? Was that material then used in other proceedings and: “disseminated to DOJ prosecutors and other persons outside the FBI”?

The presiding fisa judge also wants to know what the DOJ is doing. Explain what “further review of the OIG report” means? Inform the court what “related investigations and litigation” pertains to, etc:

[Link to Court]

A note of caution. It seems incredulous the DOJ cannot apply the same determination of invalid construct to the original FISA application and first renewal. However, the key issue is with the Steele Dossier – the essential evidence underpinning the FISA itself; and the key question is when did the FBI and/or DOJ know with certainty the Steele Dossier was unfounded and did not merit legal inclusion for the warrant?

By their current admissions, as outlined by Judge Boasberg, the DOJ is admitting that between January 12th and April 7th current investigators are certain there was sufficient information debunking the Steele Dossier, known to the former FBI and DOJ officials, such that no further application (renewal) should have taken place.

Interestingly this timeline and DOJ admission would include the Mueller investigation use of any FISA derived material or evidence when it began May 17, 2017; that is, if the Mueller probe used the Carter Page FISA evidence for any derivative warrant therein.

It seems likely the Mueller probe did use the Page warrant, as former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe and former DOJ Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein authorized the June 29, 2017, final renewal AFTER the special counsel was in place. That renewal has been admitted as invalid. There could be considerable consequences.

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190 Responses to CNN Journalist Who Pushed Original Dossier Story Now Covers Invalid FISA Application That Relied on Dossier…

  1. justlizzyp says:

    Am I the only one who wonders if they renewed the warrant because they already knew what Primary Sub Source was going to say? They had about a week left before the 1st warrant expired didn’t they? The closest they cut it on any of the renewals was 85 days out of 90.

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  2. starfcker says:

    Evan Perez was having trouble spitting the words out of his mouth. He had that bug-eyed look, too. Wait until he has to utter the words, ” 2 hops”. Coming soon.

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    • Deplorable_Infidel says:

      “He had that bug-eyed look, too.”

      I am NOT a doctor, I do not play one on TV and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

      However, I do suspect that particular disorder may be a manifestation of “Trump Derangement Syndrome” in certain percentage of those afflicted with the malady.

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      • WhiteBoard says:

        adderal its infected the DC jouranlist. look at haily whatever from NBC – she had to be removed from the point because she constanly was OD’d on it. haily jackson maybe

        the drug removes awareness and encourages suggestiveness that causes tunnel vision – very similar to Schiff preaching as he believes he is stopping the cold war via impeachment.

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      • Dutchman says:

        Perhaps its the look, when your *sshole suddenly and inexplicable puckers, like its never puchered before, to keep you from massing your drawers, at least in evans case.

        It also looka an awful lot like the,wiley coyote expression, just when he realises his latest scheme hasn’t worked.

        TDS eyes, I guess you call it.

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  3. Ray says:

    That was prettty solid other than your slip that there could be considerable consequences. Unless you threaten the hierarchy there are no consequences of note. You may get fired for something that completely ruins another life but that’s it.

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  4. Niagara Frontier says:

    Everything needs to be tossed. After all that has transpired and after all the harm that has already been done to people and their reputations, what good will sequestration do? At this point it will be like trying to remove fecal matter that’s been been stirred into soft vanilla ice cream.

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    • Sherri Young says:

      Gross.

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    • Dutchman says:

      Its not just fruit from a forbidden tree, its a whole, huge FOREST thats filled with rotten fruit.
      Mueller, ….GONE. Any prosecutions mueller team did, or handed off, IF they used 2 hop, to get information they used in their case, such as how they got manaforts offshore bank records, any info they got from his phone or email, etc.
      The sentences have to be vacated, and the Defendants can sue the crap out of the U.S. government, but not the prosecutors.
      You’ve got,…well its easier to list the rights they DIDN’T violate, in addition to;
      Wrongful imprisonment, misprison of felony, perjury, wrongful prosecution,…

      The list just goes on and on. Can’t recall the name of the guy that went under Mueller/weismann, but WASN’T charged?
      Appeared before Congress and said “Damn you, damn you to hell!” I think it was.
      Said when he was being interviewed they had foot high stacks of paper, and they had EVERYTHING.
      Emails, texts, business records, you name it.
      Did it touch FLYNN? If any ‘investigative lead was derived from any of the information they got on Flynn, as a result of two hop from CP, then thats a get outa jail free card for him, I should think.
      Stone too?
      Still a way to go, to prove what Sundance is saying; that they were already doing this survellence since 2012, and CP FISA warrant was just to give them the legal cover.

      But, its a start.

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      • Kim Hudson says:

        Michael Caputo was who told the Senate Intel Committee “God damn you to hell” in his closing statement for causing his family to lose their home & his children’s college fund due to the exorbitant legal fees.
        Roger Stone’s sentencing hearing is scheduled Feb 6th. This FISC mess won’t be resolved or fixed before then. Wish there was a way to make these people fiscally whole again….a way that isn’t strapped to the back’s of the US Taxpayers!

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        • Believe me, $5-20million would be a drop in the bucket compared to what’s being grifted by the corrupt swamp to feather their nests.I would have no problem using tax payer funds to rescue Rodger Stone and Mike Flynn.

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          • not2worryluv says:

            But Iran got Billions and we send Billions of foreign aid to every corrupt country in the World without question!
            Now they want to Impeach our President Donald John Trump for wanting to know why we are have been sending tax dollars to these counties for decades and see no return on our investment?
            It’s a rigged system – a money laundering scam for the Elite “Career” Politicians and their Pawns. In as Paupers Our as Kings.

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          • not2worryluv says:

            But Iran got Billions and we send Billions of foreign aid to every corrupt country in the World without question!
            Now they want to Impeach our President Donald John Trump for wanting to know why we are have been sending tax dollars to these counties for decades and see no return on our investment?
            It’s a rigged system – a money laundering scam for the Elite “Career” Politicians and their Pawns. In as Paupers Our as Kings.

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          • Tall Texan says:

            There is certainly precedent for the federal government having to cough up millions to pay restitution for Mueller’s dishonesty and incompetence. See anthrax, falsely accused, $6 million settlement.

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        • jeff montanye says:

          i so hope the senate intel committee gets busted.

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        • Dutchman says:

          Thats the guy, for some reason I have difficulty remembering his name.
          He is the textbook example for why prosecutors shouldn’t discuss ongoing invesrigations.
          Weismann team tried to destroy him.

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        I don’t believe for one second that they didn’t have Title 1 on Flynn (Turkey) or Manfort (Ukraine) and most likely Papadopolous (Israel)**

        Page/Strzok texts refer to Page FISA and second “Dragon FISA”

        They opened based on the “suggestion” of a “suggestion” of assistance
        from Misfud to PapaD to Downer
        then tried to determine WHO would receive that assistance.
        The Steele Dossier material gave them their target packages.

        “the initial investigative objective of Crossfire Hurricane was to determine which individuals associated with the Trump campaign may have been in a position to have received the alleged offer of assistance from Russia…..identified three individuals Carter
        Page, Paul Manafort, and Michael Flynn-associated with the Trump campaign with either ties to Russia or a history of travel to Russia”

        179 We did not locate any records that indicated the FBI provided written notification to NSD about the opening of these cases. However, as we described earlier in this chapter, the FBI orally briefed NSD officials on at least two occasions in August 2016 about the Crossfire Hurricane investigation to include Papadopoulos, Manafort, Flynn, and Carter Page.

        pp 59

        Recall Sally Yates made NSD specifically off-limits to Horowitz. Assuming that is still in effect, how would Horowitz locate any records of other FISAs?
        https://www.ignet.gov/sites/default/files/files/OLC%20IG%20Act%20Opinion%20-%207-20-15%20.pdf

        **PapaD has said in multiple interviews FBI was targeting him for work for Israel
        Eg:https://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-trump-aide-says-mueller-probe-targeted-him-for-ties-with-israel-not-russia/

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        • Dutchman says:

          Title 1 survellence, or a FISA warrant? As I understand Sundance is saying they had been illegally survelling them for some time, and just needed the CP FISA warrant as a way to explain the material they already had.

          Also, with two hop, they didn’t need a warrant on the others, either for this justification OR for the survellance?

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          • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

            Title 1 surveillance, or a FISA warrant?

            What’s the difference?

            Jeff Carlson did nice write up on types of warrants:
            https://themarketswork.com/2018/04/01/fisa-surveillance-title-i-iii-and-section-702/

            On the intelligence/counterterrorist side of the fence:
            FISA Title 1 warrant is an intelligence surveillance warrant on an (ahem) American citizen.
            FISA Title 3 warrant is on a location.
            (eg; spies or terrorists)

            FISA Title 7 includes 702 incidental collection of American when target is actually a foreigner.

            On the criminal side of the fence:
            Title III is a criminal surveillance warrant on an American. (eg: drug dealer)

            So Intelligence FISA Title 1 is SOMEWHAT equivalent to Criminal Title 3
            Both are designed to be the temporary suspension of 4th Amendment authorized by a Judge with proper PC.

            The theory is that they needed the CP FISA to cover for ILLEGAL surveillance they had already done.

            Why wouldn’t they have gotten the surveillance on the others…..when thanks to Horowitz we now know it’s so easy to lie to FISC to get it? Not to mentions it extends the TWO (ahem) hops EVEN FURTHER making the net even larger. Certainly Flynn has contacts that cannot be reached by Page’s hops. Same with the rest.

            Just need to meet 2 requirements to obtain FISA Title 1:
            1) acting as agent of foreign country
            2) committing or about to commit a crime

            #1 is easy for Flynn (Turkey). Manafort (Ukraine) and reportedly… PapaD (Israel)
            They had to hide/make it up for Page

            #2 the crime Page comes from Steele Dossier (quid pro quo related to Rofsnet), Manafort (finances then black ledger)
            PapaD 10K setup?
            Flynn crime….don’t know what they might allege. They’d been targeting him for what looks like a couple years

            That’s why I wonder who the codenamed “DRAGON” FISA was on.

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            • Dutchman says:

              Whats the difference? Simple.
              Title 1 SURVELLANCE means accessing the NSA database, with perhaps 100’s of 702 database queries, without bothering to get a FISA warrant.

              Thats what I mean by “Title 1 SURVELLANCE” and it was apperently done a bunch, by FBI contractors.

              A FISA WARRANT is going to the FISC court, to get the legal authorisation to carry out such survellance.

              2 similar yet very different things.

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              • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

                So 702.

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                • Dutchman says:

                  As I understand it. It also deems that, as this is being exposed, they arecstill trying to conceal the EARLIER, shall we say blatantly illegal, and apperently massive 702 search queries, which certainly IS a form of survellance.

                  I suspect any of us, who learned it had been done to us, searching ALL our emails, texts, phone calls,,purchases, financial t ansactions going back years, would feel we had been ‘survelled’ or SPIED on.

                  Atkinsons case shows them going further, and actually PUTTING classified info on her computer, no doubt to then find, in order to justify the spying?

                  So, not only a ‘passive’ operation, but proactive.

                  And, apperently ordered by Rosenstien, who was allowed to retire, with pension intact.

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                • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

                  They’re trying to justify ANY surveillance they did.

                  Even though 702 searches do not need a warrant beforehand (remember it’s INCIDENTALLY collected)
                  702 searches must ultimately be documented and certified to the FISC annually

                  “Instead of issuing individual court orders, Section 702 requires the Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) to provide the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) with annual certifications that specify categories of foreign intelligence information the government is authorized to acquire pursuant to Section 702.”

                  In other words….at some point DOJ must tell the FISC WHY they collected the 702 data.

                  Turns out under the Obama admin. the DOJ had been non-compliant in keeping up with submitting those certifications

                  That’s part of the reason John Carlin did his
                  DUMP and RUN and RESIGN

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                • Dutchman says:

                  So, the searches were ‘illegal’, for a given value of illegal.

                  They abused the process, using their knowledge OF the process.

                  They ‘gamed’ the system. And, any system of protections to prevent abuse, is like locks;
                  Locks only keep honest people honest.
                  Beyond that, all you can do to prevent theft, is make it so difficult as to make it “not worth it”; and the pandoras box of govt survellance capabilities is so great, and therefore tempting, that I simply don’t believe thats possible.

                  Think how tempting it would be, to use the NSA database to, for instance look at Hillarys 30,000 deleted emails? To look at ALL communications of all the coup plotters, and use two hop. Certainly page/stroxz were not the,ONLY ones to carelessly text, email or talk about the coup plans!

                  Its just TOO tempting. Shut down FISC, and NSA database.

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                • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

                  Check out Bill Binney “The Good American” documentary on Netflix, etc.
                  Many youtube videos about him.
                  Brilliant former NSA guy.
                  Associated with VIPS who determined the DNC hack was local.
                  Devised a limited method to specifically target collected data while protecting citizens.

                  His method was rejected for the current one of mass collecting all UPSTREAM data aka EVERYTHING.

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                • Dutchman says:

                  Of coarse. The huge vacuum, and perhaps more importantly the ability to selectively search through it, is an invaluable resource.

                  The last thing they wanted, was what he was proposing.

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                • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

                  Oh with Attkisson…..
                  We do not know the legal mechanism
                  IF ANY
                  that was used to surveil her.

                  I missed the placing of classified info on her computer but that would be criminal and have nothing to do with any warrants.
                  I do know from her motion that they put malware, keyloggers and set up a home MAC to act a server, collect data from network connected devices and forward that to the POST OFFICE. (lol)
                  (a IP address assigned to the USPS)
                  Turns out your mailman may be James Bond.

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                • Dutchman says:

                  Its my strong recollection she said she FOUND classified info on her puter, that she didn’t put there.
                  Could be to justify their spying; we had reason to believe she had illegally obtained classified info, and we were RIGHT!
                  Or, even to arrest her. Obama admin did, IIRC, arrest a reporter, Rosen I think.

                  Nefarious bastards, and rotten Rosie behind it.

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            • Dutchman says:

              Didn’t read your post fully, before responding.
              Anyway, was trying to briefly summarise my understanding of Sundances oft repeated theory, AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

              That CP was irrelevant, that he was just,a vehicle, to insert a virus into the campaign, etc.

              I am not sure I either agree or disagree with the theory, but I accept it as a valid theory.

              And, I think my previous responce still holds, as to what I meant as far as the difference between survellance, and a FISA warrant to authorise survellance.
              IF I understand Sundances theory correctly, (a big IF) they did a LOT of illegal searches, 1000’s.
              When they realised DJT might actually WIN, they panicked, realising their criminally illegal POLITICAL searches would be exposed, by Flynn as Natl. Security Advisor, and DJT as POTUS.
              So, they came up with a plan, F em both.
              The CP FISA warrant was part of this plan, the dossier was neccesary in order to give them an excuse,..and frankly there it all gets a little hazy for me.

              I have read,Sundances articles numerous times, detailing this but it all still gets a little hazy.

              But, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, back when they were confident Hillary would win, and they would have a permanent majority, they gorged themselves, like kids alone in a candy store, on 1000’s of searches, not bothering to get FISA warrants.
              They needed to cover that up, and the only way to do that was to eliminate Flynn and DJT.

              They eliminated Flynn, and ALMOST eliminated DJT. IF he had fired Mueller, IMHO THAT would have been the ballgame, and they would have succeeded.
              Anyway, my muddled understanding.

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              • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

                they gorged themselves, like kids alone in a candy store, on 1000’s of searches, not bothering to get FISA warrants.

                Those were 702 under Title 7
                That Jeff Carlson link is really helpful in explaining all this which is really confusing. Took me awhile to wrap my head around it.

                The April 2017 FISC opinion oft cited here is all about 702.
                That’s what the “contractors” were exploiting.
                See page 2
                https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf

                Interesting is Nunes in his memo SPECIFICALLY pointed out:
                “- On October 21,2016, DOJ and FBI sought and received a FISA probable cause order (not under Title Vll)authorizing electronic surveillance on Carter Page from the FISC.

                This was very important for Devin to point out as it meant it was FISA Title-1 and they had to have verified info (PC) BEFORE doing the surveillance.

                The entire reason the EXISTENCE of the Carter Page is even known is that it was LEAKED in APR 2017. The reason it was leaked was to “legitimize” the Steele Dossier that had been released by Buzzfeed in Jan.
                It was absurd on it’s face and needed to be propped up.
                Evidence shows the Dossier WAS NEVER supposed to be released. They got screwed by Steele having given that thing to anyone with a pulse.
                Here’s how the used the leak to legitimize the dossier:
                1) FBI can’t put B.S. in a FISA Title 1
                2) The FBI got a FISA T-1 on Carter Page
                3) Carter Page is prominent in Dossier
                4) Dossier must NOT be B.S because….

                1) FBI can’t put B.S. in a FISA Title-1

                This all fell apart because Devin Nunes & Kash Patel came up with the plan to reveal that DNC paid for the Dossier.
                As documented in Lee Smith’s book
                The Plot Against the President.

                This leads to the Nunes memo pointing out that the Page FISA T-1 was based on DNC oppo research.

                And once it fell apart……they had to run away from the dossier……
                they leaked an all new origin story to NYT on Dec 29 2017

                It wasn’t Page/Steele Dossier that started it all……it was a conversation over drinks in a London bar.

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                • Dutchman says:

                  As you said, very confusing. I know from your previous posts, you are a prodigious researcher, and LOVE to dig into the weeds.
                  Frankly, in my senior years, I don’t have the time, and am gradually losing the concentration.
                  So, I focus on the ‘gist’, and get what I can.
                  Its like Sundances excellent, detailed articles on MAGAnomics. He explains about ‘Lemons or widgets’, and how multinationals finesse supply and demand.
                  I get the GIST of it, even as my eyes glaze over a little.

                  And, I get ENOUGH, I think.

                  The Globalists used the massive, unconstitutional survellance ability afforded them by technology, to spy on Americans for political/policy reasons.
                  They got caught. Thats the gist.

                  Obviously, I respect your getting in the weeds, but as I get the essence, and just the cast of characters is so large its difficult for me to keep track, I focus on the essentials, and the basics.

                  We each have our approach, and I think both have merit.
                  30,000 foot view, or down at ground level. The view is very different, but neither is,”wrong’ and each enables one to see things the other can not.

                  And, exchanges like this can hopefully enable ALL to see both!:-)

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                • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

                  Agree totally!
                  Just had the FISA discussion with my PaPa yesterday.

                  That Jeff Carlson link is an excellent summary….bookmark worthy.

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                • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

                  Agree totally!
                  Just had the FISA discussion with my PaPa yesterday.

                  That Jeff Carlson link is an excellent summary….bookmark worthy.

                  One last thing….SD has done great work at exposing the Fed’s use of FARA. Noticeably near NO ONE had ever been prosecuted for violation of FARA. It had been treated as an “administrative problem” solved by post dating application.

                  This may have been a deliberate move by DOJ to NOT bring attention to FARA.

                  Instead they were using FARA on their political enemies to meet one of the requirements of applying for a Title-1 FISA.

                  So Guliani meeting with Ukrainian officials may be considered “acting as an unregistered foreign agent” and tying him to Lev Parnas’ criminal actions may be all they need to apply for a Title-1 on Rudy.

                  Let’s hope Barr has gotten control of NSD.

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                • Dutchman says:

                  Yes, I DID grasp that. Seems like everyone one in DC and their brother (wheres hunter) were guilty of FARA violations.

                  If you were in the big club, they didn’t care, or as you say USED that, to justify spying.

                  Been difference between being a ‘foreign agent’, as in lobbying for a foreign agent or entity, and being a SPY.

                  THEY conflated the two, to circumvent the intent of the law, and spy.

                  As you know, I am not convincedBarr has “gotten control” of NSD. Whether he is fighting a behind the scenes war with them, or is not, still to be detirmined.
                  HOPE is good, so long as one doesn’t put ALL their hope in one place.
                  Lets see what happens.

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  5. JohnCasper says:

    Goebbels would love CNN.

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  6. Leftnomore says:

    “COULD BE considerable consequences…”
    Zzzzz. Wake me when indictments come.

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    • ShainS says:

      Sessions will come.
      Horowitz will come.
      Huber will come.
      Rosentstein will come.
      FISA Court will come.
      Wray will come.
      Rank-and-file FBI will come.
      Horowitz will come again.
      Barr will come.
      Declassification will come.
      Steiner will come.
      Horowtiz will come again.

      Durham will come.

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      • Dutchman says:

        Being the contrarian I am, I have to say this is the FIRST news that COULD, POSSIBLY mean Fred’s days are numbered.
        Fred being the crow that lives in my neighborhood, that I have said,I will eat if Barr/Durham aren’t cleaners.

        Not that Barr ordered the DOJ to ‘fess up’, directly.
        They fessed up because they were responding to an order from the newly appointed Judge Boasberg.
        And he made that order, after the IG Horowitz report, that detailed the Clinesmith fraud on the court.
        Boasberg basically said “WTF! Clarify this!”
        So, triggered by the IG report, released by Barr. And, Barr had some influence on WHEN the IG report was released.
        He had influence on how much would be in a classified appendics. My recollection is,..-0-.
        He had influence, I believe (based on previous Sundance articles) on the writing of the summaries and conclusions.

        This, it seems to me destroys or seriously damages the,”Justification defence” and springs the outrage trap, on empty air.

        “WHAT would you have us DO, we didn’t know for sure DJT WASN’T a Russian agent?!!”
        Becomes actually, you knew all along he wasn’t, and continued the investigation long after you knew he wasn’t.

        So, this is YUGE on so many levels.
        And they fessed up, cause they had no choice, due to information revealed in I.G.Horowitz FISA report, that was signed off on, by Barr.

        Not ready to shoot fred,…yet. Will need a lot more, but for me this is the first solid news I have seen, …will need more but might should check my stock of bourbon bbq marinade.

        They are tough birds, and not great taste. Hence marinade for two days, to tenderise and put some flavor in em.

        Just picked up a .410 bolt action, so might should do some practice with it.

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        • Kim Hudson says:

          “This, it seems to me destroys or seriously damages the,”Justification defence” and springs the outrage trap, on empty air.”

          From your lips to God’s ear Dutchman!

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        • Zabadak says:

          .410 is a good choice as far as shotguns go. Just pick your shot load wisely. After all, Dutchman, you don’t want to miss out eating a single mouthful of Fred, should that time ever arrive.

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  7. Bryan Alexander says:

    The “Scope Memo” and the FISA Warrant are two separate issues, correct? The 2nd “Scope Memo” was used to target General Flynn’s son wasn’t it? Is there any way that part of the case is crossed up into the Carter Page FISA warrant? Was any information from the FISA warrant used in the Flynn prosecution? I don’t think it was, but asking just to make sure I haven’t missed something.

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    • Joemama says:

      The scope memos are classified for reasons that defy logic. We know nothing about what is in the scope memos.

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      • zekness says:

        I believe there are dozens FOIA request outstanding for the scope memo.

        I believe Judicial Watch is one of them.

        (isn’t Powell formerly requested this material too? …seems I recall in court note, Sidney did seek access…I might be wrong on that)

        It may take some nudging to President Trump …I mean someone in his orbit…to get that memo out FORMALLY (or not).

        there are plenty of reasons to believe that someone in close company with the FBI/DOJ is going to leak this memo…but it might not be the memo at all…I believe there is a active leak op going on right now….How effective that is, will be obvious during this impeachment cycle. There are many reasons to create a distraction…I would expect this to happen around Monday-Tuesday of next week..

        but I would be very careful putting too much confidence into the legitimacy of a leak of this particular memo.

        I want to note there is some suspect leak rumors hitting the edges of the internet…note just standard conspiracy stuff…it’s making the rounds in various rooms.

        suggesting there is a leak expected soon….apparently the DOJ is designing something to provide misdirection…something for the media to chomp at and look there’s haley’s comet. Then some aggressive hand waving by the DOJ to investigate and make a big deal out of why the leak is fake…and that such nonsense will not be tolerated… …and that ongoing investigation by boasman and others (durham) will not tolerate publishing the leaks by the press..etc…etc…etc…..in the background the leak op starts peeling some layers back to find out who is loyal to the DOJ and who has been naughty..

        the idea of this isn’t novel…”official that has knowledge of this…xxxx….who has responded on the guarantees of anonymity”…and voila”….the wall gets papered. It will be an interesting couple of days…

        watch for the publisher of the leak….It will be the usual suspects.

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  8. Jim in TN says:

    How about the Comey memos? Weren’t they derivative of the Steele Dossier?

    Speaking of Comey, he should have canceled the investigation of Trump back near the inauguration. The investigation was clearly derivative.

    No investigation means no testimony to Congress that Trump was being investigated.

    This also means if there was any obstruction, it could only have been obstruction of an illegal investigation.

    I think that about covers the whole basis of the Mueller appointment.

    This has all been a massive illegal investigation conducted by creeps who were covering up their illegality the whole time.

    Won’t be long before someone proves they knew it was illegal at the start of the FISC application. Then again at the start of Crossfire Hurricane. Then again with agents tasked to entrap Papa and Flynn, etc.

    I don’t have a lot of hope though that all the previous spying will be laid bare for the world to see. It would be good if that happened.

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    • Grassleysgirl/Breitbartista says:

      As the lovely ,brilliant, Attorney Sidney Powell eloquently puts it ,”Creeps on a Mission “.

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    • jeff montanye says:

      it’s amazing what isn’t, ever, in the mockingbird state media or said by democratic politicians. i’ve a friend who watches the former and listens to the latter, incessantly, and i mentioned crossfire hurricane by name a day ago and he asked “what is that?”

      so i told him (and not for the very first time). an awakening is coming. there is too much evidence out already. the perps may, possibly, avoid real prosecution. but the court of public opinion will eventually reach a verdict (my friend already admits improper fisa applications — that took a very long time).

      tds eyes indeed.

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  9. zimbalistjunior says:

    every single person who was spied upon due to the two hop rule has had hisprivacy violated and has the same rights to seek legal redress as does Page.

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    • zekness says:

      How would you know? How would anyone know? You and I could be under surveillance right now.

      a point about the DOJ IG report that must be acknowledged: (I’ll loosely paraphrase) the FBI was really shitty documenting and retaining surveillance data and reports thereof…The FBI was really shitting at vetting CI assets and even losing track of them

      a point about the RADM Roger’s audit must be acknowledged” (I’ll loosely paraphrase) A MASSIVE number of unauthorized NON-FISA approved queries were made for a very long period of time by both FBI, CIA and a host of private contractors…But we cannot actually determine who precisely conducted those searches. Because the “system” was not designed with hard checks for authentication of those users. We only know that these targets of those queries were almost entirely actioned toward US citizens of a political stripe.

      I know I am beating the horse to death..but we are really past time to get this program shut down. It has served more deleterious effects to this nations security, privacy and democratic election by its weaponization, that any conceivable notion of protecting us from abdul the camel jockey. Kill it now….FBI..you want authorization to search data …or to spy in US citizen..go to court. FISA WILL ONLY BE USED FOR THE NARROW AND PROPER DESIGNATED PURPOSE OF FOREIGN TERRORISM. Period..end of story.

      same goes for CIA..

      this would kill off the wild west private contractors who abuse these powers as a proxy for the FBI.

      These private contractors would not have the classification cover by the FBI..they would be tempting serious criminal prosecution if they decided to to an end run around such rules.

      we need to have this happen…yesterday..

      it’s critical!

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      • Dutchman says:

        Its suppossd to be used for terrorism, or espionage.
        I THINK they made the,argument that a FARA violation qualified you as an ‘unregistered foreign agent’, and so they could SUSPECT you of espionage, and hence get a FISA on you.
        CP, they alleged was suspected of being an agent of Russia; thats how they gamed the system.

        Anyway, disagree on using it for investigating “foreign terrorism”.
        They have offered no evidence that it has EVER, ONCE been used to stop, prevent a terrorist act.

        In March, DO NOT RENEW.
        It CAN NOT be made in such a way as to prevent misuse.
        It can NOT be made Constitutional.
        It can NOT be made to insure it won’t be used against American citisens.
        SHUT IT DOWN.
        But, archive the records, and put them in a time capsul. It will be a gold mine for historians.

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  10. California Joe says:

    The fact that dozens of FBI, CIA, and DOJ officials haven’t been arrested three years after trying to frame the President of the United States for a crime that not only he didn’t commit but a crime that never even happened is beyond me!

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    • livefreeordieguy says:

      That is America, 2020….

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    • Julian says:

      I’m sure AG Barr is ready and waiting with the indictments – that’s his job right?

      It’s an election year though, so given an abundance of caution you can be sure AG Barr won’t want to engage in election interference so won’t do anything this year.

      Maybe just a bit of patience required to wait for the big reveal in 2021…

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      • Redzone says:

        If the wait is that long, the only reveal better be the new Heads of the DOJ, FBI, & CIA.

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      • Kim Hudson says:

        Seems to me that NOT prosecuting indictments interferes with the 2020 election in a way that negatively effects Trump & the Republican Senators up for reelection! A repeat of 2018 & the pending Mueller Report that definitely played a part in Republicans losing The House!

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      • Ruckus Tom says:

        That’s assuming democrats don’t cheat on a massive scale and win the election. If that happens all investigations will go bye bye. See the impeachment as an example of how far democrats are willing to cheat to win.

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  11. John Andrew says:

    Trumps AG Bill Barr is the best to cover for all these spy vs spy m-peach-mint criminals.
    Barr was GHW Bush’s IRAN CONTRA cover AG – gave ole Reagan jelly beans to eat.
    Terry Reed’s book – “Compromised – Clinton, Bush & the CIA” – described how AG Barr covered to protect all the deep state criminals. They will never be prosecuted.
    Barr’s DOJ slow walks it all. Nothing to see here. So “fuhgeddaboudit”.
    Hear (WMAL) Larry O’Conner (1/17/20) interview of Sidney Powell on Gen Flynn case.
    This deep state “ball-of-worms” is too complicated for Joe 6-pack to connect the dots.
    God Bless POTUS Trump to try to catch them, but there are too many criminals to catch.
    As the election clock runs down – nothing changes – this spying is not good for the USA.
    Think about it!
    Wake me up after the 1st spy gets prosecuted in a DC court.
    I wish and hope they ALL get convicted before we check out.
    Rumpelstiltskin.

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  12. montanamel says:

    Those two lines redacted above may/might be of great interest…..right up there with the contents of those “scope” doc’s, eh?….(cue THE CAT with the shifty eyes!)….

    Bottom line(s) appear to put senior Barr in a 9-line bind of humungous proportions….which, in view of all our collective questions as to his “true intent”, can only work to our benefit – prior to Nov/20. Maybe we can get a few fingers slammed in some door jams along the way to encourage some meaningful squalling and squealing of “FACTS”….

    Busy week so far…..maybe we’ll see some “other doc’s” dumped later tonight…or, after 1 PM on Saturday…. Film at ????

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    • justlizzyp says:

      Whether or not the Scope Memos ‘authorized’ investigating the Steele Dossier, we know the Mueller team claims to have done so – they were the ones who said ‘definitively’ that Cohen was not in Prague. They may just be saying that in order to let the issue die since they probably don’t want anyone thinking too hard about why that nugget was included in the first place, though.

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  13. mr.piddles says:

    Don’t forget… Evan Perez is besties with one Glenn Simpson and one Peter Fritsch…

    https://dailycaller.com/2017/10/28/cnns-undisclosed-ties-to-fusion-gps/

    Perez was an Operative and a Co-Conspirator in the Coup. Period, end of story. His role was important, as outlined.

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  14. angechangech says:

    If
    “Shortly after the FBI renewed the FISA, FBI agents interviewed Steele’s primary sub-source and determined the Dossier was junk. That is why the DOJ is currently informing the FISA Court all activity after that interview made the FISA applications invalid. The FBI knew in mid-January 2017 the Dossier was debunked.”
    Then Mueller knew then as well. And his team. The Mueller investigation should have ended then.
    Full stop.

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    • sundance says:

      …”The Mueller investigation should have ended then.”

      Um, the Mueller investigation *started* four months later.

      The FBI knew mid-january the dossier was bunk. Mueller didn’t start until May 17th. Yeah, that makes it worse.

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      • TarsTarkas says:

        Unfortunately once seen it cannot be unseen.

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      • Raptors2020 says:

        I submit we’re missing the hyper-partisan political nature of all this.

        FISA Renewal #1 happened January 12, 2017. Obama was still technically President. The Obama holdovers (leftovers?) in the DOJ and FBI want that FISA renewal to be be valid and legal.

        The second renewal in April, 2017 was on Trump’s watch. For the Deep State, Trump has to share the blame for that bogus document; he was, in effect, guilty of illegally spying on himself. Yes, they are that petty.

        That’s the reason for their distinction without a difference between Renewal # 1 in January, and Renewal # 2 in April.

        Remember Comey laughing about how easy it was for Strzok to sneak into the White House in February, 2017 (shortly after Trump’s Inauguration) and frame General Flynn? That symbolic act of trespassing on his enemy’s turf was important to the petty and vindictive Comey. We’re dealing with shrivelled souls here.

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        • zekness says:

          That’s a very interesting take on it.

          was Obama informed on the FISA application #1? would he be involved in knowing?

          asking here..uncertain about that.

          My understanding is that the FBI has a duty to inform the President of ANY counter-intelligence operation…But does that also include the origination of a FISA application and its approval? It appears the two are linked…as one cannot really be conducting a COINTEL without the other…

          but it does raise the question…

          was the former president informed and briefed?

          I think there is a time deadline per law that requires it.

          but as Comey blurted..perhaps the culture at that time was “because it was of such sensitivity? ” I am saying it looks like Comey might get smoked again if we can find can get obama on the stand. If the FBI did not inform the president..that’s much more than two strikes and you’re out. It’s a death sentence.

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          • jeff montanye says:

            well lisa page said that the president (obama) wants to know everything we’re doing. so there’s that.

            imo the best thing going is the separation of powers and institutional loyalty/survival instinct. the fisa court can read some wall handwriting and realizes this miscarriage of justice strikes at its existence like nothing else so far in history. so they aren’t going to voluntarily share the (well-deserved) blame with the fbi/doj/cia if they can possibly avoid it by now being stiff necks, at this late date. but with the spotlight of current legacy media, as well as the sleepy-eyed stenographers of history, turning their attention to the court as never before, perhaps in their efforts to survive they will, at long last, throw the “small group” under the bus.

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      • QCM says:

        Yet they still interviewed General Flynn on January 24…and he awaits sentencing from a conviction for lying in that interview.

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      • bertdilbert says:

        The Mueller investigation did not investigate publicly known information and since the dossier was public, Muller did not look at it. They had a built in excuse not to look.

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      • SonsOfLiberty says:

        And McCabe was still in charge of the FBI at that time too wasn’t he? And didn’t McCabe brag about talking that willing dupe Rodent-stein into appointing Mueller? McCabe probably didn’t give Rodent-stein all the straight scoop on what was determined after the sub-source interview. Perhaps watered it down? Or used the double speak talking-in-circles language that snakes like Comey seem to be so good at? These Lawfare guys make the phrase, “depends on what the meaning of the word is is,” look like child’s play when it comes to obfuscation.

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        • joshashland says:

          Sally Yates, then-Acting DAG Dana Boente, and DAG Rod Rosenstein each signed one or more FISA applications. Then on FBI side ,according to Nunes’ FISA memo, FBI Director James Comey signed the first three FISA applications on behalf of the FBI and then-Deputy Director Andrew McCabe signed the fourth one.

          When Barr states ‘they’ knew in the NBC interview he is referring to FBI. Rosenstein gave testimony to House about how FISA is done that I still find unbelievable, Rosenstein said reports from lawyers from FBI were given to him orally before he signed FISA .
          Not in writing…. Gohmert was incredulous when he got that answer. Looks like Barr want to put it all on FBI. Not sayin it’s right, I’m just sayin’.
          link to Rosenstein Gohmert
          https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/rosenstein-testifies-he-doesnt-need-read-fisa-applications-he-signs

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    • olddog35 says:

      I would add that the FISC requires the government to Inform the court immediately if any part of the FISA applications are found to be deficient.

      Not informing the court that the Steele Dossier was known to be garbage will definitely be grounds for serious consequences.

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      • MelH says:

        Anybody besides me sick of the “serious consequences” euphemism for TREASON?

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      • Beau Geste says:

        Olddog, you are absolutely correct. The DOJ/FBI were required by ethics and FISC procedural rules to immediately inform the FISC that the fake dossier “evidence” was debunked. The FISC was required by ethics and its oath to protect the Constitution, and its heightened, sole DUTY to protect the Constitutional rights of unrepresented US Citizens in a secret court, to withdraw the original FISA Warrant as unsupported, unsupportable and unconstitutional. The FISC has completely failed, and CONTINUES TO COMPLETELY FAIL its constitutional duty to withdraw the original FISA.

        In addition to failing its only duty,which is to protect the civil rights of unrepresented defendants, the FISC has failed to discipline the DOJ/FBI for failing to inform the court that the fake dossier was debunked, and failing to inform the court that the fake “target” carter page was a CIA/FBI asset, not a russian spy as claimed to get the spy warrant. Withdrawal of the original FISA is REQUIRED for the ethics violation of refusal to advise the FISC that the FISA “evdence” was “incorrect” .

        The FISC is failing to uphold its only purpose of protecting Constitutional rights, to instead protect the illegal spying of the DOJ/FBI by refusing to withdraw the original FISA warrant.

        Don’t the FISC judges have the character to have any sense of shame that this entire illegal spy scheme relied on their facilitation, and would not be possible without their failure to protect the civil rights of up to US Citizens on whom they authorized past and future spying in massive NSA and other systems? Don’t the FISA judges feel guilt for either being abused, or being complicit in political spying on the entire Republican Party during an election, and then on an elected President by the deceit of “2-hops” from a fake low-level “target”? Don’t the FISC judges have the ethics to protect the integrity of the proceedings of their secret (therefor Constitutionally disfavored) Star Chamber court by cleaning up their mess, disciplining the deceitful DOJ/FBI practice in their court, and withdrawing the wrongful FISAs?

        Apparently not.

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        • jeff montanye says:

          keep it up. it’s this kind of sentiment that may, just may, turn the fisa court into what, i’d bet, it has never been before, a court of justice. in order to save itself from the destruction crashing down about the “small group” (which seems determined to grow larger), it may bring the perps to justice of some sort, giving both cover and goad to the barr durham investigation to actually prosecute.

          perhaps some small spark of honor still exists in such as barr and durham, after decades of covering for crooks, to strike back at their corrupters. seems unlikely but you never know.

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    • Linda K. says:

      Regarding Flynn, the “original” 302 did not show Flynn to be lying. It wasn’t until the Mueller probe started and Weissman got involved that they went after Flynn for lying, if I am correct. If Comey sent his guys over to interview Flynn for no real “cause”, and the Mueller probe should never have begun because the dossier was fraudulent, it should clear everyone the DOJ went after? Flynn, Manafort, maybe even Stone and Cohen?

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      • zekness says:

        I think you are now in the kitchen….where the meat is butchered.

        there are MANY reasons why the DOJ and FBI are likely “casually discussing” how to avoid the subject matter of these first FISA applications. It would be such a massive setback to “the institution”…

        there is also the aspect of the FISC itself…it’s places a ton of attention directly on just what exactly happens when FISA applications are reviewed..or if at all.

        there is also the aspect that in March, Congress will be voting to renew these powers again….There is definitely an effort to get that approved from every side of the political spectrum because of the freedom of access that has been very profitable to those insiders. Of course, we will be told, it’s a necessity to protect the kids and all the crap.

        SD is on the right track here..what SD is documenting with the focus of an EAGLE and the fine attention to detail of a first class yeoman, is nothing short of excellent in journalism!

        It’s OUR duty to act and get this material out there..inform others and start the political action…and start making demands.

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        • Trump needs to cancel every user name that has had access to govt systems and make everyone re-apply and vet them and their reasons for requiring access. It’s ridiculous that ex employees retain security clearance especially when there is a change of party. Ridiculous!

          Trumps archilles heel has been poor advice on his hires.

          He had an opportunity to clean house and he didn’t. Obama sacked every conservative judge when he came to power and Trump should have done the same with democrat judges.

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          • jeff montanye says:

            federal judges serve for life. you perhaps mean prosecutors, who serve at the pleasure of the head of the executive branch, the president.

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    • Y’all Know What Time It Is says:

      And, yet Mueller kept the investigation going through the 2018 election cycle, giving the Democats the House and the impeachment trial..

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  15. grumpyqs says:

    This government CANNOT fix itself! Much like surgery on yourself, out in the garage, to remove a cancerous lung, there is no way this can possibly end well! If ANY clear-thinking, non-corrupt, adult patriots are left in Washington DC, now is the time to do an intervention to save this nation. Otherwise, like the DIY surgery; unbelievable pain, catastrophic blood loss and probable death will follow. We either do what’s right or lose the nation and all that it provides.

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  16. Bill Dumanch says:

    Didn’t Dan Ackroyd pull the same stuff on Jack Lemmon and James Garner?
    Sorry, sitting on that one a long while.

    Here’s the money-
    “Perhaps the FBI knowing the Dossier was garbage in mid-January 2017 is why we are not permitted to see the May 2017 scope memo written by DAG Rod Rosenstein to authorize Robert Mueller. Does the original scope memo authorize Team Mueller to investigate the allegations in the Dossier?… Allegations that were already debunked four months earlier?”

    Collusion. Conspiracy.
    Clinton.
    (ok, I said the C word…roast me)

    Sundance, you make this affair understandable and interesting.
    Even for retired truckers.

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    • Y’all Know What Time It Is says:

      Each renewal application is required to show that new evidence has been
      obtained in the previous 90 day period. Will the applications be examined
      for that?

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  17. EggsX1 says:

    The first two FISA warrants are invalid because the dossier was not verified. It was invalid to be a part in any warrant. This isn’t rocket science. The DOJ can blame incompetence for the first two FISA warrants but it still makes those warrants invalid and all fruit from it poisoned. Otherwise, the incompetence excuse allows the FBI to spy on anyone they want.

    After they debunked the dossier but then resubmitted for two more FISA applications, that is irrefutably criminal.

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    • Joemama says:

      Bingo! All 4 FISA warrants were illegal!

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      • donna kovacevic says:

        Joemama right on, it was all made up govna from the orders, wait for it, the Illegal President BHO. What does one expect. This crap about just 2 being invalid is just wasting time and demeaning our intelligence. America Burn down all that involves those anti-american politicians that just care about their own pockets. Burn the WH down but make sure PDJT, family and the trusted ones in his administration are out. On to where Congress Senate the FBI CIA et al take them down too. Start from the beginning. This whole thing smells to the high heavens. God Bless PDJT.

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        • Dutchman says:

          Actually, the WH has already been burned once, although not burned “down”.
          British sacked DC, while dolly madison was having a dinner party. Guests evacuated, so british troops ate the dinner, and then torched the place.
          There are scorch marks visible, at one place on the patio.

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        • Y’all Know What Time It Is says:

          But they told us that BO was a Constitutional Law scholar.
          Hillary and Joe, each said they would/will nominate him
          to the Supreme Court.

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    • grlangworth says:

      Just what I was thinking.

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  18. davidberetta says:

    CNN-MSNBS-CBS-NBC-ABC…and their spawn literally make me puke!

    I watch NONE of them..ever. Any “TV” with these propaganda networks should be UNPLUGGED or permanently disabled from destroying the Nation. It is what it is – destructive to OUR Nation.

    With that said….give these enemies (the Networks), no attention.

    Places like this (TCTH), is where you can get a recap of the propaganda networks. Let the good folks here “take one for the team”. Never tune into these terrible networks because that can give them an audience and the viewer numbers. The lower the viewership the quicker these places go OUT OF BUSINESS…which is a good thing for the USA.

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  19. History Teaches says:

    If only reality was like a PVR or tape machine that you can rewind and see everything that happened in reverse and the ramifications of each previous action. Eventually starting with the initial planning of this coup.

    Who was there, when and where did planning actually first turn into explicit action? I would expect that Obama’s words whether explicit or implied, directly or through surrogates would be part of the initial go ahead.

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  20. rjones99 says:

    This DoJ admission gives me hope that there will be consequences and that our institutions might be restored. As SD has said many times, if Barr is attempting to covr up, he has to deal with an awful lot that is already public.

    I also think Rosenstein and Sessions are looking worse and worse everyday. We may get lucky if Jones is re-elected.

    The other groip starting to look not so good are the twitter gang who are good at making theories about why bad guys are actually good guys.

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  21. swamph8er says:

    I’m interested in connecting FISA surveillance to media leaks. Many specific instances have been addressed by Sundance.

    There was a period of time where almost every word Trump spoke into an electronic device was leaked.

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  22. Brant says:

    Perfect description that lies at the speed of light (TV broadcast) have nearly made it to the nearest star (3 years); while, the truth just got it’s shoes on.

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    • Dutchman says:

      Brant.
      I disagree. Truth is a marathoner, and eventually it catches up to, and discredits the lie. You justvhave to be patient.
      “I was ‘wiretapped'”
      “NUNES MEMO is nothing but lies”
      “Mueller is an HONORABLE man, and his investigation should be allowed to CONTINUE”
      ALL lies, that raced for the stars, but eventually got passed by the truth, blowing past them like a 70mph freight train.

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  23. justlizzyp says:

    Anyone else have a nagging feeling that the DOJ is going to try to come back with a ‘huh, whaderya know- we didn’t use anything from the Page surveillance anywhere!’ kind of response?

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  24. MikeN says:

    Is the Michael Cohen referral to SDNY based on Carter Page two-hop surveilance?

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    • Harvey Lipschitz says:

      (CNN)Federal prosecutors have charged an analyst with the Internal Revenue Service with illegally disclosing confidential reports about Michael Cohen’s bank records that revealed that President Donald Trump’s former lawyer had sought to profit from his proximity to the White House, according to a complaint unsealed on Thursday.

      The analyst, John C. Fry, was charged with the unauthorized disclosure of a document called a suspicious activity report, which banks file when they review transactions that raise red flags.

      So illegal wiretaps put every person around Trump under suspicion.

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  25. philcurtisiinetnetau says:

    Steele Dossier
    So Steele is the primary source with no direct knowledge
    Then there is a primary sub-source with no direct knowledge (name?)
    Then there are a few secondary sub-sources (is one Fusion GPS?)
    If so is Glen Simpson now known as a sub-secondary sub-source???
    And is this hidden pathway where the bulk of the Dossier storyline comes from?

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    • Dutchman says:

      Glen Simpson was a resume beard.
      He just attached his resume, as a ‘former british secret service agent with connections in Russia”.

      To give veresimilatude (sp?) to the lie.
      Plausibility and legitimacy. He didn’t write it, so much as package it.

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  26. inspectorudy says:

    It seems like Judge Boasberg is a lot like Lindsey Graham in that they are both liars. The judge may have ruled that two of the four warrants were invalid but then he appoints one of the hoax perps to INVESTIGATE it! Graham constantly tells us what he is going to do next and as of yet done nothing. I suspect he is working hand in hand with McConnell to keep a lid on this to protect both parties in the Senate. As with so many felonies thus far, I would not bet money on any of the big dogs going to the kennel. I think also that the FISC is worried about the evil eye of justice turning their way. They all had to know what was going on in the charade.

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    • Beau Geste says:

      Absolutely agree. The scheme relied on the FISC judges’ willingness to issue deceptive FISAs on a low-level “target”, to “legitimize” earlier illegal political spying, and to continue illegal political spying on the real target, PDJT and the entire Republican Party by the fake “2 hop” scam, after Admiral Rogers shut off their 85% illegal spying since 2012.

      If the FISC does its duty, the scam never gets started. All the FISC judges involved in this political spying scheme cannot possibly be that stupid. “We had no idea we authorized political spying on hillary’s opponent by a 2-hop warrant on carter page” is not a legitimate defense for the complicit judges. They were and are complicit, which is evidenced by their ongoing refusal to withdraw the FISAs and discipline the DOL/FBI perps, rater than continue to protect them.

      18 USC 242 makes willfully depriving civil rights by judges a crime.

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  27. Han Solo says:

    Take CTH info, Giuliani info, turn it into a production to rebut and use for the ad campaign for 2020.

    Not a really hard thing to do…btw, during ur 24 hours, turn it into a campaign ad…just a suggestion

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  28. 🍺Gunny66 says:

    Ok…..Let’s see…….

    Who was the AG at the time?……Yep….The Possum….AKA: Sessions…
    “I do nothing”

    Now we got “Bagpipe Bob”…….. and “ Slippin Jimmy ” Comey …still won’t give up his memo’s

    Shifty Shiff…AKA: Ferret Face…Alias: Frank Burns……and the rest of the cast of:

    “Better Call Saul”……Produced by Sleepy Joe…… Written by the Hag….
    Screenplay by Nasty Nancy…..And Directed by Jug Ears

    NetFlix is now in negotiations with all the key players for the next episode:

    Titled: “Breaking Stupid”

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  29. islandpalmtrees says:

    First few points:
    Sudance writes
    1) “FBI determined the dossier was bunk “shortly after” the January 12, 2017, FISA renewal.”

    2) Carter Page was a CIA agent ordered into place by Brennan and Comey
    3) All activities by the CIA within the border of the U.S. must be reported by law to the Gang of Eight. So they could have stopped the spying before it started.
    4) All counterintelligence operations must be approved by the President and the AG.
    5) A number of warnings about the Dossier and its author were given to the FBI before the first FISA warrant was approved.
    6) The Dossier could not be validated before first FISA approval by the FISC court.

    So it should be, only a matter of time before the first two FISA warrants are shown to be fraudulent too.

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  30. Simonsays says:

    Am i the only person still waiting to start recording body count and/or death poll in this swamp draing takedown?

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  31. littlequilterkitty says:

    Well, I for one, am ready for those consequences to start happening.

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  32. Bullshit! Why do the DOJ and FBI have anything to do with either an investigation into themselves or developmenting organizational structures which will keep this from ever happening again. The President should create a quasi INDEPENDENT group to hold accountable and purge anyone who was part of this Cartel. Why should the guys that committed the crime be able police and judge themselves…

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    • zekness says:

      presumably the DOJ IG has independence as does Special Counsel…

      I would not desire a president to form his own independent counsel ….any president. It would invite weaponization claims for purely partisan desires.

      I would also not desire Congress with this power either. In fact, if I have my facts correctly congress no longer has the power to form “independent counsels” ….

      those powers can be referred to the DOJ for action..and then he acts to scope a special counsel…in the case of the DOJ IG…the DOJ AG can scope him for a review of the FBI.

      I’m not sure our current system of checks and balances can be improved beyond the existing set of processes..

      I am more concerned that the persons who are selected and appointed to these very powerful positions in the DOJ truly have the independence …in theory they do..but the actions seem to suggest that political dimensions guide their affairs rather than the rule of law and justice…

      I want to believe otherwise…but I can’t.

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  33. Prof. Woland says:

    “So, what you are saying Evan is that what we have been reporting on for the last four years has been an utter lie.”
    “Yes. It was totally fabricated”
    “And what was the motivation for this heinous act, Evan?”
    “Reports are that they hate him because he is a goy although some are saying it is his orange skin color.”
    “Can you confirm this?”
    “No, we are using common sense”.
    “OK, well good job Evan. Let’s see if you can find another false narrative that occupies the left for the next 4 years”

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  34. islandpalmtrees says:

    My perspective –

    Carter Page was not an agent of a Foreign power and those involved knew it before the first warrant was constructed. I submit that this is more than enough to invalidate the first two warrants. He did not get ordered into place (work for the Trump campaign) on his own. Plus the CIA always knew, who Carter was.

    Peter Strzok represented the bridge (double agent) between the FBI and the DOJ. So, he had to know what progress was being made on the the Dossier and he did through Orh. Therefore, the FBI was being told by Peter Strzok about the fabrication of the Dossier, before the first warrant was issued.

    The only thing we are missing is the communications documents between Peter Strzok and Comey or one of Comey’s assistant directors talking about the progress.

    Sundance writes:
    A note of caution. It seems incredulous the DOJ cannot apply the same determination of invalid construct to the original FISA application and first renewal. However, the key issue is with the Steele Dossier – the essential evidence underpinning the FISA itself; and the key question is when did the FBI and/or DOJ know with certainty the Steele Dossier was unfounded and did not merit legal inclusion for the warrant?

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  35. Rj says:

    How is it RM is appointed to head the SC investigation and then he sits at home watching bugs bunny cartoons while the progressives (lazy communist) run the fraudulent investigation and that was not an issue with anyone in BB ? Everything from the start of this investigation to the fraudulent black book on Paul manifort which some say is all made up including some from Ukraine who’s names are in that book as donators yet didn’t donate, yet the original document somehow survived a fire that burned down everything in the building except that black book and the man rots in jail while real treasonous traitors run free. When the MSM becomes the head of a political party and intertwined in the projection campaign and involved in this coup they should no longer be afforded the constitutional protections that true press is granted.

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  36. WES says:

    From what I am observing the cover up continues unabated.

    There will be controlled exposure but the deep state has nothing to worry about.

    Deep state actors are not losing any sleep over what happened.

    The deep state is firmly in control.

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  37. Colorado Rich says:

    The wonderful thing about all of this is, if we know it, then our stable genius knows it and more. I don’t think there is a patriot anywhere that doesn’t know that President Trump is going to fulfill his promise to US and the oath he took as the nation’s supreme COC, to bring this nation back to order, law and order. The man was born for this moment in time, he is the anomaly.
    Bless you Mr President and all of US that long for this great country to be made whole. Thank you Sundance for your seemingly tireless work to bring US into the light.

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  38. tav144 says:

    Since when is willful ignorance about the veracity of something you’re attesting as true, a legally valid defense?

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  39. Sherri Young says:

    Congrats. The accompanying tweet thread was just retweeted with a nice remark by the most excellent Lee Smith.

    Lee Smith
    @LeeSmithDC
    ·
    21m
    Here’s an ace thread from the indispensable @TheLastRefuge2

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  40. The Akh says:

    When the Deep State becomes the Derp State

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  41. SonsOfLiberty says:

    Until this sham impeachment is over, it’s politically impossible for Trump to make any moves on this front. Also, while he knows he needs to get rid of Wray (should have never listened to Christie and Rodent-stein on that) so he can really clean house at the FBI, he probably can’t do it until after the election. Maybe, just maybe, if something egregious leaks out during the Durham investigation prior to the election that implicates one of the rats Wray has been protecting, then that might give Trump political cover to get rid of Wray before the election. Something like, “I felt like due to these latest revelations that we needed to bring in some new fresh leadership to address the problems at the FBI.”

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  42. botchedcasuality says:

    Justin,
    Yes, I wondered the same.

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  43. Joe says:

    This unscrupulous idiot Perez is still lying! The FISA court announcement did not state that the original two warrants are “still valid,” but that they are still being investigated. I take that to mean, of course, that the long snakes at the FBI are struggling to validate the first two warrants in order to save their butts—there’s no Clinesmith to take the fall for the first two—and almost certainly will. But the FBI has made no determination that they are valid at this point. Perez knows that. He is blatantly lying by simply declaring that they are.

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  44. Superman says:

    Is this what Sidney Powell was referring to?

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  45. A2 says:

    Time to review. Solid analysis.

    ‘ John Carlin – The Former NSD Head Who Enabled the FBI’s Carter Page FISA Warrant’
    https://themarketswork.com/2018/05/21/john-carlin-the-former-nsd-head-who-enabled-the-fbis-carter-page-fisa-warrant/

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  46. Genie says:

    Well of course the 1/12/17 renewal was legit because we know from Susan Rice that Barry Obama ordered everything done “by the book” on 1/5/17.

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  47. hawkins6 says:

    A Bonus Gift Video for all those that haven’t seen or heard enough Adam Schiff musings this week.

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  48. CMDCMRET says:

    The tide has shifted…..

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  49. Mike in a Truck says:

    Send all these coup plotters to Wuhan and make them eat bat soup.

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  50. Comrade Mope says:

    I am not convinced Carter Page is clean in all of this. The $10,000 he was to carry back to the U.S. may have been a bridge too far for him. He realized he could get ensnared in this if he carried it back, so he left it overseas. His sentence required him to forfeit $9500. It looks to me as the FBI wanted their money back. I think the question should be how did Mifsud get the money? An FBI agent could put it in his pocket and fly it to him, but with all the money floating around Ukraine, my guess is the money came from Ukraine.

    As for the media being complicit, they had their hair on fire on election night. All the media had to do was sway the vote 2-3% and Hillary is elected. Which brings us to the October FISA. That FISA couldn’t have been a “October surprise” because by nature it is secret. It had to be the “insurance policy” in case Candidate Trump won. The January 12th renewal is the stamp of approval by Obama.

    The media knew, Evelyn Farkas knew, they all knew there was an effort to derail this President.

    Obama had to have known.

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