More Panda/Wall Street Head-Faking: Beijing Announces October Trade Talks With U.S. Delegation…

CTH readers are well versed in the dynamics of the Panda mask -vs- Dragon motives of China.  Therefore we are able to discuss events without the MSM financial filter; which is narrated specifically to the benefit of multinational interests.  Always keep that in mind.

Everything needed to understand the latest panda narrative from Beijing is identified in this simple paragraph:

(Beijing) […] The talks were supposed to have resumed this month but China’s commerce ministry said Vice Premier Liu He, Beijing’s pointman on trade, agreed to October in a phone call with US Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin on Thursday. (more)

First, anything from Vice Premier Liu He is panda-speak; he is a tool in the process of Chinese narrative engineering.  All former trade negotiation authority held by Liu He was stripped by Chairman Xi Jinping.  Commerce Minister Zhong Shan is the real voice of Xi and the Beijing authority.

Second, what exactly is Beijing selling?  An “October phone call”…. and that manipulates markets for the multinationals on Wall Street.  A friggin’ announcement of a phone call?

Beijing is attempting to stop the financial bleed; the organization and planning of exits from the Chinese manufacturing system.  Notice the U.S. media ran to the typeset pushing quoted reports from Beijing, not quoting reports from the USTR office or U.S. trade team.  Again, the quote from the Associated Foreign Press (AFP):

…”China and the United States will resume trade talks in Washington in early October, Beijing said on Thursday”…

President Trump will not block, refute or diminish, this specifically sold Beijing narrative because it increases the U.S. stock market valuation.  However, no-one who really pays attention to the dance should put any weight behind the announcement.  It’s pure panda.

The U.S. position is the same.  U.S. interests doing business in China should ‘get out’.  Those who choose to remain in China; and/or those who choose to join with Beijing in selling false-hope in a temporary effort to prop up their multinational stock values; will eventually run into the brick wall of reality.

We can discuss this here, because the dance has been so visible for so long we know the music before it plays…. ie. ‘conduct your affairs accordingly’.

Today’s jump in the stock market; the part centered around this announcement from Beijing; is based on a false premise.

Beijing is bleeding cash.  Beijing is attempting to get to 2020 and will deploy all resources to eliminate President Trump.  Beijing is trying to save their economic model and stop the exodus from their manufacturing base.

There will be no U.S-China trade deal.

Any U.S. corporation who makes a decision based on the false-hope implied in the Chinese messaging is going to hit a world of hurt when it all comes crashing down.

Don’t expect any sympathies from these pages.

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131 Responses to More Panda/Wall Street Head-Faking: Beijing Announces October Trade Talks With U.S. Delegation…

  1. SwampRatTerrier says:

    Communist Panda: “Yada yada yada!”

    President Trump: “Put your money where your bear back is.”

    Liked by 8 people

    • rah says:

      The POTUS is gambling his second term on it. How much more skin do you think he should have in the game?

      Liked by 2 people

      • FrankieZee says:

        And China is gambling on him not getting a 2nd term. A game of cat and mouse.

        Liked by 2 people

        • Rgt says:

          Besides liberty, patriotism and the rule of law, China is a primary reason I will do everything in my power to re-elect the President

          Liked by 8 people

          • SwampRatTerrier says:

            Same here.

            Hmmmmmm……. Think this applies to this leaky announcement from the Red Communists in Mainland China……

            “The rule of private meetings is the person who spills publicly first is the one who lost. The loser is always trying to spin.” – Don Surber


          • lfdale says:

            China and the conservative judges on the benches. We need to take the House and keep the Senate, then Trump will have some leverage over the
            D-rats, Chicomms and Wall Street, all working to get rid of Trump, to their detriment.


          • drlou007 says:

            We have only one power: find at least one like-minded people who are not registered or didn’t vote in the last election. Get them registered, motivated and to the polls on November 2020. If we each do this we and our President cannot lose.


        • LafnH20 says:

          A game of VOTING…
          Or NOT!!

          Everyone from china to the globalists; the multinationals
          to the knuckle dragging – open mouthed -go along- “Stay Strong” swamp scum are betting…

          WE don’t VOTE in sufficient #’s to overcome their treachery and Re-elect President Trump….

          And are prepared to “Do Whatever – Give Whatever – Promise Whatever – Say Whatever” is needed (even if , imho, left teetering on the brink of destruction.)

          They have a plan to get it all back in….. SPADES!!
          You know they do!

          President Trump Must BE Re-Elected. That will dash most of the hopes; as they will be, or nearly be Spent. The President isnt gping to let them out of the corner and off the ropes. He and WE will start landing body blow after body blow after…
          Until they have no choice but to drop their guard to prevent collapsing entirely.

          Then the Upper Cut!!!

          The President needs time to back them “ALL” onto the ropes. No More retreats. No More Dancing. No More Delays.
          Only Body Blows…. Only PAIN!

          VOTE!! As if your life and the lives of your Loved Ones …
          depends upon it.

          Because It DOES!


          Liked by 4 people

        • James Carpenter says:

          A game of cat and mouse?

          It’s a game that bets the farm.
          Trump re-elected?
          China bites it. Big Time.

          Trump loses election?
          China expects their bought-and-paid-for minions to return ship of American state to the course of previous decades.


      • SwampRatTerrier says:

        That’s the Communist Chinese back.

        Have you seen that picture of the panda sitting with his back to the viewer that Sundance likes to post?

        Liked by 1 person

    • GenEarly says:

      Communist democRats: Pelousy puts USMCA treaty on hold to injure USA and aid Chicoms to get thru 2020 where both want to restore the bleed out of the USA to their mutual advantage.

      Liked by 7 people

      • ann says:

        “Communist demorats”. “restore the bleed out of the USA to their mutual advantage”

        BOOM ‼️
        You have quite a way with words General! 🇺🇸

        Liked by 2 people

      • The Demon Slick says:

        Democrats are going to be in a world of hurt and it’s all because of themselves. Go ask any union member what they think of President Trump taking on China. Not the bribe fat leaders, but the actual working men and women. And not just the union workers. All of the working class.

        Liked by 4 people

        • Sentient says:

          There aren’t very many private sector union members anymore, but thankfully they’re in the states that matter. The media keep talking about the “trade war” as if it’s hurting the country. It’s tough for farmers, but they’re being made whole. The whole media charade about the trad war is like the rubbish coming out of the U.K. that a no-deal Brexit will be terrible. BS.


    • USTerminator says:

      NO TRADE DEAL EVER WITH CHINA. Time to Chexit. Please use these panda mask opportunity to adjust your investments, 401k and IRA. The stock market will need to adjust that their profit cashcow “Made in China” will take a haircut and until the Sino-US decoupling complete, there will be a lot of volatile in the market. I am with high dividend domestic stocks and nothing else

      Liked by 4 people

    • jnr2d2 says:

      Hey Sundance, how about a new word — “Propa-Panda”

      Liked by 1 person

      • VoteAllIncumbantsOut says:

        Funny, saw this jump last night when Japan was online in the futures markets but what is even more absurd is we ran right into resistance today then pulled back. Once the market cleared resistance at 2929 S&P we gapped above the next level of R at 2944.

        It’s how the game is played.

        Here’s something which I was astonished by…

        On November 22, 1963 the market dropped and the very next day, gapped open and continued rising for a few years and for those who remember, This was the last of JFK.

        Go to and look at the charts on a daily time frame, use candlesticks and go back to this date, the markets never lie, people do.
        JFK was also against the deep state. Usually when a top figure is taken out, confidence collapses in government and markets fall. So when I see this happening in markets, there was a threat to wall streets way of life and it was removed!

        Sundance said it best when talking about Europe and people taking back there rights, not anymore folks even here we’ve become damsels in distress with no knights to save the day. Either we take this country back or… we don’t. There is no in between!

        Liked by 1 person

  2. TheWanderingStar says:

    Engage maximum tariff pain and then go about doing business with the rest of the world.

    Liked by 6 people

    • A Moderate Man says:

      Do you mean, American companies exploiting cheap labor in other poorly run countries? The president’s gamble can only hurt China, not help us. The jobs that corporate America outsourced are not coming back to the U.S. Sorry folks, they are gong to Thailand, Bangladesh, India, etc. I just don’t see how America gains by hurting China.

      I am not alone in thinking this way.

      Liked by 1 person

      • john edward lorenz says:

        Thailand, India , Bangladesh are not and will never be threats to the United States like China. Our gain by their losses.

        Liked by 6 people

      • jessetmims says:

        @ A Moderate Man… Re “I am not alone in thinking this way.”

        Feel free to name the other one…

        Liked by 2 people

        • Fools Gold says:

          I think he’s in the wrong refuge…


        • A Moderate Man says:

          Here is a list of people who think that tariffs are a bad idea… executives at large multinational companies, super large lending institutions, farmers, large transportation companies who don’t want their supply chains disrupted, and right here at home… all of you people who only want to pay $1,000 for an I Phone and not $4,000 if they were made in Seattle.

          That’s a pretty long list Jessetmims. So, I go back to my understanding, PDJT will not win any trade war against China, will not topple Communism and will get voted out in 2020 because of his recklessness and then we will have Elizabeth Warren who will reign over conservatives like acid.

          Please explain to me how everything I say is not the truth.


          • jessetmims says:

            @ A Moderate Man… Re “Here is a list of people who think that tariffs are a bad idea…”

            Actually, that’s only a list of CATEGORIES of people; and, you don’t even offer any sources that might support your claim that anyone in those categories agree with you. I asked for NAMES of people. For example, see the link below for details on at least one CEO who does NOT agree with you.


            Re “Please explain to me how everything I say is not the truth.”

            Sundance has published numerous articles full of information that clearly refutes everything you’re claiming.


            • A Moderate Man says:

              The narrative Sundance talks about only fits his way of thinking. I am a conservative, I don’t believe in excessive taxes on anyone or any country. American businesses got themselves and hence our country into the mess of relying on China and now Trump is just protecting them. I am doing quite well even if we have a trade imbalance with China.

              Furthermore, Trump is reckless and he will be voted out and then we will be left with that insufferable Warren lady as our President.

              What Trump does is willingly make a mess of every situation… yet he doesn’t have the leadership to put things back together. He will fail and he will let conservatives down.


              • jessetmims says:

                @ A Moderate Man… Yeah… you’re a conservative and you’re right about everything you say about Trump. I’m just in denial about all that.

                Now… go away, TROLL!


                • A Moderate Man says:

                  Jessetmims, do you want Elizabeth Warren to be president? Yes or no? Because I don’t! So, I don’t think Trump should be waging war against everything he doesn’t like. I am saying he should curb his recklessness and trying to bring down China will just give Democrats ammunition to convince voters that their President is really not fighting for them. You watch!!!

                  Plus, I don’t like excessive taxes… domestically or abroad.

                  … and by the way, I am not going away and intend to talk with you after the election to see how you like Elizabeth Warren?


      • I read a fascinating article the other days about a robotic strawberry picking system. Since the cheap labor is getting scare it makes more & more sense to develop robotic pickers. There will be fewer jobs but they will be better paying and with better work conditions, supervising & taking care of the robots.
        IMO that is what will happen in many industries. Those cheap labor countries have many difficulties: tariffs, transportation costs, local unrest etc. As the cost benefit analysis shifts jobs will come back to the USA generating cost savings for both manufacturer & customers due to new methods of automation being developed & implemented.

        Liked by 2 people

      • Sentient says:

        Is Bangladesh stealing all of our technology and intellectual property? How’s Bangladesh’s space weapons program coming along? Don’t believe everything you hear on NPR. In fact, don’t believe any of it.

        Liked by 4 people

      • gustheairedale says:

        Perhaps for some but for many in the oh so short future jobs in manufacturing will be automated and assisted by AI. Cheap labor especially unskilled is no longer the pivot. Skills, property law, transportation, security, resources will be, That could be anywhere including (especially western) US and UK.

        Liked by 1 person

      • TreeClimber says:

        Have you missed all of the articles over the past several months of various companies opening/building/buying plants and factories in the US?

        Liked by 2 people

      • TheWanderingStar says:

        The object is not to hurt China, but to simply have a free reciprocal trade relationship without forced technology transfers, IP theft and corporate espionage.


        • A Moderate Man says:

          Okay, then why do our companies give the Chinese our technology? The answer, so the American products can then be mass produced by the Chinese and sold at lower costs back home in America. The transfer of our know how to the Chinese is worth the American risk evidently. To me, Americans think short term and the Chinese take a long view.


  3. Ploni says:

    . . . and will deploy all resources to eliminate President Trump

    This makes me nervous.

    Liked by 4 people

    • vikingmom says:

      Understood – but do not forget that President Trump is also well aware of this possibility and has made appropriate preparations. Thus far, China, and her allies in the US Congress have lost face every time they have tried to out maneuver him.

      Liked by 13 people

    • rah says:

      They probably would have done it even without a trade war. What makes me nervous is that the Fed doesn’t have his back.

      Liked by 1 person

      • bob says:

        Trump needs to come out with a “No confidence” formal proclamation regarding the Fed with the implication being they get their poop together or be recalled. Not just Jerome. All of them.

        Liked by 6 people

        • Alfred Brown says:

          All @POTUS has to do is dust off EO 11110 and re-issue it to the Fed with a $100.00 Check drawn on the US Treasury.
          Game over.
          Bur we better hope the Secret Service is more ready this time.

          Liked by 4 people

          • WHAT AN EO…Alfred…where in the hell did you find that? Great job!!!!!!!!!!


            • jessetmims says:

              @ eagledriver50… Re “WHAT AN EO…Alfred…where in the hell did you find that?”

              It’s pretty common conspiracy theory fodder on sites claiming JFK was assassinated because he was getting ready to axe the Federal Reserve…


              • LafnH20 says:

                On June 4, 1963, a little known attempt was made to strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the government at interest. On that day President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110 that returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve. Mr. Kennedy’s order gave the Treasury the power “to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury.” This meant that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury’s vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation. In all, Kennedy brought nearly $4.3 billion in U.S. notes into circulation. The ramifications of this bill are enormous.

                With the stroke of a pen, Mr. Kennedy was on his way to putting the Federal Reserve Bank of New York out of business. If enough of these silver certificates were to come into circulation they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve notes. This is because the silver certificates are backed by silver and the Federal Reserve notes are not backed by anything. Executive Order 11110 could have prevented the national debt from reaching its current level, because it would have given the government the ability to repay its debt without going to the Federal Reserve and being charged interest in order to create the new money. Executive Order 11110 gave the U.S. the ability to create its own money backed by silver.

                After Mr. Kennedy was assassinated just five months later, no more silver certificates were issued. The Final Call has learned that the Executive Order was never repealed by any U.S. President through an Executive Order and is still valid. Why then has no president utilized it? Virtually all of the nearly $6 trillion in debt has been created since 1963, and if a U.S. president had utilized Executive Order 11110 the debt would be nowhere near the current level.


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                • jessetmims says:

                  @ LafnH20… That Prepare For Change crapola can be found verbatim on a number of conspiracy theory sites. What I have never seen anywhere, however, is any direct quotes from JFK’s June 4, 1963 EO 11110; EO 10289 (amended by 11110); or, the Act of May 12, 1933 (cited in 11110) which actually prove the claim that JFK was killed because he planned to do away with the FED. I’ve also never seen any direct quotes from any of those documents proving JFK even PLANNED to end the FED; which, is a necessary prerequisite to any claim as to that being the reason he was killed.

                  Re “The Final Call has learned that the Executive Order was never repealed by any U.S. President through an Executive Order and is still valid.”

                  A mixture of technically true (at least, as stated…) words with some weasel words added to fool the poorly informed with little or no time nor inclination to find the truth.

                  As referred to above, 11110 amended 10289. While it is technically true that 11110 was never DIRECTLY repealed via any other EO, Ronald Reagan’s EO 12608 amended the part of 10289 that was amended by 11110; thereby, effectively rescinding that part of 10289 along with 11110 in its entirety.

                  For all the details regarding Reagan’s EO 12608 — Elimination of Unnecessary Executive Orders and Technical Amendments to Others, see….

                  EO 10289 can be read here:


              • LafnH20 says:

                As we all know, anyone who has a lot of money has a lot of power. Now imagine a group of people who have the power to create money. Imagine the power these people would have. This is what the Fed is.

                MORE…. All the way back to…
                President LINCOLN! 👀



                • jessetmims says:

                  @ LafnH20… Re “Imagine…”

                  Merriam-Webster says the definition of “imagine” is “to form a mental image of (something not present)”

                  So, no thanks… I’ll stick with facts that ARE present; but, I have seen none supporting the claim that JFK planned to end the FED; or, that that was the reason he was killed.



                  The above website has the full explanation and this is from an archival website.

                  It is not a conspiracy theory as some have claimed!!!


                • jessetmims says:

                  @ eagledriver50… Re “” and “The above website has the full explanation and this is from an archival website.”

                  You didn’t check out that site’s “About Page,” or it’s Terms of Agreement, did you…


                  They say, “Our mission is to provide Universal Access to ALL Knowledge” (Emphasis added by me). There’s nothing to indicate they discriminate between conspiracy theories and factual information. In fact, they’re not that different from Wikipedia; as, they also say, “Anyone with a free account can upload media to the Internet Archive.”

                  They even say, “We began in 1996 by archiving the Internet itself;” which, means EVERYTHING on the Internet. Do you seriously believe everything on the Internet is factual; or, that NONE of it conspiracy theories?

                  If you click the link embedded in the words “free account,” you will find a page with another link that will take you to their Terms of Agreement page. There, you will find the following: “Because the content of the Collections comes from around the world and from many different sectors, the Collections may contain information that might be deemed offensive, disturbing, pornographic, racist, sexist, bizarre, misleading, fraudulent, or otherwise objectionable. The Archive does not endorse or sponsor any content in the Collections, nor does it guarantee or warrant that the content available in the Collections is accurate, complete, noninfringing, or legally accessible in your jurisdiction, and you agree that you are solely responsible for abiding by all laws and regulations that may be applicable to the viewing of the content. In addition, the Collections are provided to you on an as-is and as-available basis. You agree that your use of the Site and the Collections is at your sole risk. You understand and agree that the Archive makes no warranty or representation regarding the accuracy, currency, completeness, reliability, or usefulness of the content in the Collections, that the Site or the Collections will meet your requirements, that access to the Collections will be uninterrupted, timely, secure, or error free, or that defects, if any, will be corrected. We make no warranty of any kind, either express or implied.”

                  In other words, just because information is found on that website, does NOT mean it’s not a conspiracy theory!

                  Re “It is not a conspiracy theory as some have claimed!!!”

                  I suggest that you quit digging that hole before it’s too deep for you to climb out of…

                  Now… if you can cite direct quotes from the documents I mentioned in earlier replies that prove JFK planned to end the FED; THEN, and only then, will there be any useful purpose in discussing whether or not he was KILLED for that reason…


      • Tiffthis says:

        The fed doesn’t have OUR back. Fixed it 👍🏼😇

        Liked by 2 people

    • jrapdx says:

      Makes me nervous too, but it was always inevitable that globalist interests were going to pull out all the stops in an effort to thwart President Trump’s plans. IOW nothing at all new in it, the all-too-true expression remains relevant: “there are trillions at stake…”

      Liked by 1 person

    • snellvillebob says:

      He is most likely partnered with Soros and his globalist friends and masters.


    • N1r0l says:

      China won’t enter the campaign overtly. They have many proxies on Wall St. And Main St. Wal-Mart just went SJW on the gun issue; they are China’s largest customer, look out.

      Liked by 3 people

    • You mean Russian interference will be in 2nd place?


    • jdintx says:

      They cannot out maneuver him.They cannot out wait him. They cannot out think him. That leaves only one,horrifying possibility. I pray daily for the continued success of our President,but most of all for his safety due to the gigantic forces aligned against him.

      Liked by 5 people

    • MaineCoon says:

      And President Trump will deploy all resources to eliminate China.

      PDJT will do what he does best — win & take down China via trade.

      In 11/2020 we are his first line of defense. If we perform, will elect him in a landslide. He will then finish the job with China and the ‘resources” China uses to eliminate PT. Like SD, there will be no sympathy from me — including if Apple goes down with China, or Google. There is always a patriotic entrepreneur who will rise to the opportunity.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Mr e-man says:

      “deploy all resources”

      I don’t know if Hillary will have time to help them. It might cut into her drinking time. I did hear James Comey has some extra time. Otherwise try the Russians.


    • bruzedorange says:

      But also understand this: which agencies are charged with protecting the integrity of our elections from foreign intrigue? Any intel or enforcement alphabets that inspire confidence lately?


  4. sarasotosfan says:

    There are people making tidy sums trading against this China current every time it turns, as they know it will.


  5. tonyE says:

    Buy gold tomorrow morning?


  6. I pray that POTUS’ ultimate goal is to burn CCP to the ground. They are the biggest evil in the world, and it’s time to end our dealings with them.

    Liked by 3 people

    • Mr e-man says:

      I had considered that this could be Trump pulling a Reagan.

      Chairman Xi, tear down that Great Wall.


    • A Moderate Man says:

      How does China’s demise really help us? Even if China’s model fails, American companies are going to continue to exploit cheap labor in other poorly run countries? The president’s gamble can only hurt China, not help us.
      The jobs that corporate America outsourced are not coming back to the U.S.. Sorry folks, they are gong to Thailand, Bangladesh, India, etc. I just don’t see how America gains by hurting China.

      I am not alone in thinking this way.


      • bruzedorange says:

        It isn’t China’s economy that threatens us or the free world, it’s what China is doing with it. China is building airports and docking facilities and bridges and roads in countries all around the world–with the intent to repossess them as each poor country inevitably fails to pay off their loans from China bank.

        China’s strategy is to control most of world trade without firing a shot. And they need their pseudo-economy–buttressed by dollars–to attain that goal.

        Don’t think about this as hurting them vs helping us. We are at war! China has been at war with us for decades. Some past Presidents were ignorant… some were deceived… some were maybe complicit.

        But if you frame your question around “what happens if China wins” vs “what happens if China loses” I think you’ll see a picture that makes better sense of Trump’s doggedness.

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    • JackB says:

      Yes. Spot on. CCP should be destroyed. Only PT has the guts to do that.

      I suggest PT take the next steps to blow up the totalitarian CCP.

      – Sanction all top CCP officials and their extended families who have most of their ill gotten wealth stashed in the west.

      – Ban US investors from financing CCP linked businesses. This will end US investment in China and Chinese companies raising capital from US investors including listing on US exchanges

      – Ban US banks including offshore subsidiaries from lending or buying securities from Chinese companies

      This will collapse their house of cards financial system and end their Belt & Road Initiative.


    • bill says:

      President Trump won’t burn the CCP to the ground. The President will destroy 6% of Chinese economy (by moving production out of China), use the multiplier effect of 1.5 and force China into a DEPRESSION with a 9% economic contraction.

      The CCCP can battle it’s people in the streets when their cr@ppy banks implode from within and the Chinese Communist Party will exhaust their limited currency reserves of $2 Trillion dollars. (Banking reserves are a mere 60% of the absolute minimum required, according to Kyle Bass (RealVision interview.))

      President Trump will have the Chinese people burn the CCP to the ground. The President is merely the match for the Chinese fireworks show! 🙂

      Liked by 4 people

  7. California Joe says:

    China has no intention of agreeing to anything and they are just running out the clock hoping for a 2020 win by the Democrats. To use a President Trump term… What have they got to lose!!!!

    Liked by 2 people

  8. bob says:

    I’d wait for the Dow to hit 7,000 and then hit them hard, increasing current tariffs and increasing the planned new tariffs and then give a November date for new increased tariffs unless and only if an agreement is made by Nov. 15 th. The tariffs need to be in the 35% range across the board with some lower for electronics who have a hard time making a quick exit. And also a threat of tariffs against any nation that acts as a conduit of Chinese goods and relabeling them. Include the likelihood of future increases in December and January. If no agreement by Dec. 15th then 50+% across the board and we’re done with China forever. Label them a whatever and give US corporations 90 days to relocate and forbid all exports to China. But yeah, let the market pick up 250 points for psychological reasons. It really doesn’t matter as the market is up 3 times in the last 10 years.

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  9. What was the BS the Chicoms were pushing at the G-7 after President Trump called their bluff? Calm negotiations- bullsh$t!

    I still can’t believe I like all this trade stuff…Thanks President Trump and Sundance for making me understand it better and educating me on how important it is to every American citizen.

    Liked by 10 people

  10. Psycho Monkee says:

    “We know the music before it plays” Quote of the day Sundance.

    Liked by 4 people

  11. Pale rider says:

    This may put the Chinese puppet forward for the election and it may not be a democrat although it may be also. Trump is making them play all the cards and we shall see some doozies in this election.


  12. Zippy says:

    “Don’t expect any sympathies from these pages.”

    Nor here! That the Chinese monopoly described in the video below of a CRITICAL group of minerals has been allowed to come to pass is TOTALLY CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE and STUPIDITY. Watch the video below from at least 48:24 and SUPPORT THAT BILL.

    We in the US due to REGULATORY -CRAP- spend money to BURY mining byproducts as WASTE which contain enough rare earths to supply the entire WORLD! Instead, we are 100% dependent on China for MILITARILY ESSENTIAL minerals!

    Liked by 2 people

    • Zippy says:

      Full title of that video: “S. 2093 Rare Earth Cooperative 21st Century Manufacturing Act introduced by Senator Marco Rubio”

      Liked by 3 people

      • SwampRatTerrier says:

        You’re right.

        End the Leftist regs (they’re not laws), and there are more than enough rare earths still in the U.S. good earth yet to be minded.


    • Blind no Longer says:

      This reminds me of Clinton Cash. All the deals that all the Clinton donors got to buy and mine minerals in various countries, how all these players were all connected. When I picked my jaw up off the floor, I realized just how corrupt all these politicians, friends of politicians and their families really were!!!
      Boy had I ever been a naive and uninformed citizen! Donald J Trump turned that all around for me. It’s the first time since Ronald Reagan, that I’d been excited about someone running for office.
      One thing for sure, President Trump has pulled back the curtain of power for all of us “naive” people to see…that’s if you really really want to know just how corrupt and connected all the worldwide governments and players are.

      Liked by 5 people

    • Yes “no sympathy from these pages” thanks Sundance

      Liked by 1 person

  13. Bugsdaddy says:

    These market gyrations crack me up now that I have an understanding of the manipulation. Thanks Sundance!!!

    Liked by 2 people

    • Zippy says:

      I’ll bet the algorithms are even analyzing headlines:

      Machines are driving Wall Street’s wild ride, not humans

      Wall Street’s recent wild ride isn’t driven by nervous portfolio managers, retirees looking at their 401(k) statements or any other human traders.

      Instead, machines are making the trading decisions.

      Computer programs execute buy and sell orders based on complex algorithms and formulas, without a human involved in the process.

      On a typical trading day, computers account for 50% to 60% of market trades, according to Art Hogan, chief market strategist for B. Riley FBR. When the markets are extremely volatile, they can make up 90% of trades.

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      • Baby El says:

        Ooooh…… Algorithms…. Based on headlines…….

        Ok, the fake headlines are about fake negotiations which drive B.S. computer programs for short term market manipulation and profit.

        Look at what we just read – a very simple explanation of an ongoing process. A person can understand that and act accordingly – which is to not react to the news at all.

        But the computers….They flail away… buying and selling and trading

        Nothing. For no rational reason.

        I think you hit a nerve Zippy!! Not you personally, but the insanity of the idea that computers are worth a good f**k.

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        • trialbytruth says:

          Actually it is designed to take in the chumps. Media reports bad computers sell and a retired pensioners calls his broker and says get me out. Rinse repeat and then the computers buy low.

          I suspect somewhere within the institutional investors management class, there is a monetary feedback for volatility beyond brokerage fees.


      • COROLLARY:

        Volatile (program-trading) Markets are FAKE VALUATIONS.

        They’re meaningless and will disappear (up/down) when non-program trading resumes to set a fundamentals-driven, value-based price.

        Fundamentals that matter:
        [Not historically-benchmarked financial ratios, obsoleted during a Global Reset]

        • Industry Supply-Capacity-Demand driven.

        • Company Strengths-Weaknesses and Opportunities-Threats (SWOT) empowered.

        They’re then Government Enabled/Restrained through

        • Trade-Deal Reciprocity, Freedom, Fairness and Enforcement

        • Tax-Rate Stimulation/Suffocation

        • Regulatory Lubrication/Drag

        • Central-Bank Rates and Quantitative Easing/Tightening
        … relative to competing countries.

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  14. donnyvee says:

    Given that the Chinese government is essentially a criminal enterprise, much like that of Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, etc., it seems to me that large fortunes can be (Are being) made by manipulating our stock market. Cause a dip by suspending negotiations. Buy low. Cause a rise by saying talks are back on. Sell high. Lather, rinse, repeat…

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  15. vikingmom says:

    I have said it before but this simply confirms that China has never before dealt with a politician that they couldn’t bride, blackmail, or bamboozle, and they are desperately trying to reassert their control before their whole economy collapses.

    The game has changed and they do not know how to play by these new rules, which actually require them to play fairly, deal honestly and follow through on their promises. It is not complicated but it is also not how a Communist society functions.

    They do not have a Plan B so they must continue trying to save face even as they come up against the brick wall of President Trump and his economic team and realize they cannot knock it down…they must be getting pretty banged up from running into it so many times!

    And every time a company recognizes what is happening and decides to move back to the US China’s position becomes even more precarious and their desperation even more palpable. Good!! I hope I live long enough to see the entire People’s Republic of China collapse down around itself!

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  16. Akindole says:

    “Today’s jump in the stock market; the part centered around this announcement from Beijing; is based on a false premise…”

    It’s all trading now–HFTs triggered by keyworks. Nothing more nothing less.
    And, the Casino always wins.

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  17. AustinPrisoner says:

    The Chinese monopoly of minerals, the disparate US/Chinese tariffs on each others’ exports, the Chinese intellectual property theft…every honest person, regardless of country, can see how China manipulates and cheats and exploits. They excel at doing what other countries would not do. And they don’t seem to feel any guilt or shame at all. They’re so brazen about it and they get offended when they’re called out for their business practices. But how can they honestly be surprised or annoyed? If we did to China what they did to us…well that would never happen. So what is the disconnect? Do the Chinese lack the basic empathy to understand why other countries object to what they do? I don’t understand.

    And we don’t really know this firsthand because there is no free media in China, but are the Chinese still racial supremacists? Is that how they justify their behavior? Every hint of racial (traditional White) superiority has been beaten out of Americans, but do the Chinese maintain racist attitudes from the past?

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  18. Don’t forget that trades are executed by computers that read headlines. There are many big trading houses that LOVE this headline charade.

    More than ever short term price action is just noise. Longer term market valuation is a function of earnings and therefore value. It’s not dangerous to be in stocks at this time.

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  19. Kathy says:

    Hmmm … I wonder if this phone call will be scheduled BEFORE or AFTER the 4th Democratic Primary Debates (October 15-16)?


  20. ristvan says:

    There is a lot of conflicting (optimistic, pessimistic) information about the potential in this next, now October China trade round. Possibly intentional disinformation—WSJ, CNBC— yet possibly also genuine signaling ‘leaks’.

    It appears neither the fentanyl nor the ag purchases commitments Xi gave to PDJT at G20 in Japan have yet to be meaningfully realized. So no basis for trust, and every reason to question how firmly Xi has control of the Politbureau. IMO increasingly shaky.

    That said, I do not think China can or will want to hold out til after the 2020 election. Four reasons:
    1. Dem clown show candidates v growing PDJT support in flyover country where the Electoral College matters. China hopes for a Dem win are increasingly unrealistic even this early.
    2. Rapidly worsening conditions in China. Today they blinked on the Hong Kong extradition bill; it was withdrawn by Lam. That a sign of weakness in the face of protest, not strength.
    3. Once supply chains are moved out of China they are gone permanently. No reason to shift back. That crushes China’s export driven economy as currently structured.
    4. PDJT has been clear about the tough consequences if they do wait 2020 out. Art of the Deal.

    We don’t know how much longer China will go before conceding on trade. PDJT doesn’t either, but doesn’t care. He holds all the cards, as todays farm income report shows.

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  21. MD says:

    China is being very foolish if they think President Trump will be out of office in 2020. I think they are getting their news from fake news CNN/MSNBC and believing their phony polls that Sleepy Joe will win.

    Liked by 1 person

    • BigTalkers says:

      Their more immediate problem being regardless of the outcome of the next US elections, the Chinese economy would have to limp along for at least the next 15 months in this self-imposed limbo. And by that time there may not be that much left to save!

      Liked by 1 person

  22. scrap1ron says:

    We don’t want any trade agreement with China, you can’t trust them to honor any agreements they make. Without access to our market their export dependent economy will wither on the vine. Let it.

    Liked by 5 people

  23. bulwarker says:

    The WMAL news blurb reported positive expectations, which it attributed to a Chinese tabloid.

    Shows ya how desperate Wall Street is to build the narrative.


  24. Mike in a Truck says:

    Take those 3 men and put them in Red Chinese military uniforms. THATS who they really are. THATS who we are really dealing with. The Enemy. Wind them back to the Korean War and they would have ordered mass ground attacks against American positions lead by a female sapper blowing a bugle. That’s what Dad faced.

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  25. BigTalkers says:

    The Wall Street traders have no illusions about any of this. They make money whether the markets go up or down.

    Two weeks ago the non-financial media was claiming we could be headed toward a “correction,” which occurs when market indexes fall by at least 10%.

    Now, only a few trading days later, we’re within a few hundred points of testing the Dow’s all-time highs again.

    In the meantime, the professional traders have been cashing big checks every day (..bless ’em!).

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  26. A2 says:

    A2 says:
    September 5, 2019 at 5:04 am
    Eunice Yoon
    #China and US agree to hold trade talks in early Oct in DC, says PRC Commerce Ministry. More consultations to be held in Sep. Both sides agree to take action to create good conditions for trade talks. This after Vice Premier Liu He held phone call with US’s Lighthizer, Mnuchin

    OK la. Keep talking, the PRC will not fold. Not with Chairman Xi Mao 2.0 in charge. His struggle sessions message is pure cultural revolution, and building a purist Leninist Party.

    I think the time for unicorns and fairies at the bottom of the garden has passed. The US should go after the United Front activities seeded in every US university of note, the think tanks in DC like Brookings, who have had the honour of having several members of their cabal arrested for espionage.

    My estimation is simple. Liu He, has not dyed his hair. chairman Xi, when he was in Gansu showed his grey. Then when he went to the Party School and made his Maoist ‘Struggle Speech’h met with the DPRK, and Russia, the black shoe polish was in evidence. He is not giving up.

    For a female example, is Hong Kong’s CE Carrie Lam, who always appeared in public in a qipao. now she looks like Jiang Qing of the Gang of Four 四人帮.


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  27. A2 says:

    I think you all need a laugh

    Hong and Kong? Berlin’s panda cubs at centre of Chinese human rights row
    Competition to name Meng Meng’s twins intensifies pressure on German government

    “They may have captured the public’s imagination, but the tiny, pink panda cubs born at Berlin zoo a few days ago have also spurred a national debate about whether panda diplomacy is blinding Germany to the Chinese government’s human rights record.
    As visitors and journalists queue around the block to catch a glimpse of Meng Meng’s cubs, a competition to name them has increased pressure on the government of Angela Merkel, who kicked off a trip to Beijing with a large economic delegation on Thursday………

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    • Daniel M. Camac says:

      A2, Thanks for that humorous antidote for CTH overload! I’m pleasantly surprised the majority of voters are going for Hong and Kong. I’d bet, if they were born 5 years later, Allahu and Akbar would the winning ticket. May that never happen……anywhere….ever.

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  28. MD says:

    Just read a story that the house is in a rush to pass a stop-gap bill to keep the gov. open until past sept. 30 and until nov 22nd. October / November seem to be critical points in time. Trump doesn’t need their approval anymore for the wall funding. He could however tell them (house) to vote on USMCA or he will not sign any spending bills?

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  29. Paul Bearer says:

    I’ve been selling China on most of these moves for over a year, now. Pretty good win rate.
    Also been telling colleagues that Trump was in no way going to cave to MSM/political/Wall Street pressure, and that China was pushing impeach/vote out and would be unlikely to do a deal. I believe Trump wants to send China back 30 years by breaking their kneecaps.


  30. “There will be no U.S-China trade deal.”

    THAT’s the world I want to live in!

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  31. Greeneghis Khan says:

    It may be just me but Zhong Shan looks like the typical last villain killed in a 007 movie

    Liked by 1 person

  32. A2 says:

    According to a recent Taoran notes, there was a hint that pRC would buy Ag products if the US does not implement more tariffs on 1 October, their big commie wingding anniversary.

    The author of the insider notes Taoran, travels with Liu He when he goes to the US.

    速读 | 重启磋商 有何看点?


  33. Schmitty says:

    My models show S&P & Nasdaq hitting major low in June 2021 which places us in 18-24 Month std bear market lead time here in Sep 2019.

    Watch & Pray,

    1 John 4:10


  34. Brant says:

    It has been noted other posts about the ethanol/food made into fuel/ethanol hard on engines/subsidies, etc. I know there are corn state lobbiests that will protect their own. I think until China is resolved (since China is focused on farmers to hurt Trump), maybe keeping powder dry on ethanol may be best.


  35. Southern Trumpette says:

    In the words of Bob Dylan:

    ” Knock knock knocking on the dragon’s door
    …..take me far from these bended knees ”

    It’s wonderful to have a President who bows to no one.


  36. MVW says:

    “There will be no U.S-China trade deal.”
    I think that says it all.

    China Communist party cannot run China as Communist China on level ground. Trump has ended the stacked deck with tariffs. Trade deal or not, Communist China is on its death bed.

    China needs Hong Kong, it is the future of China. Kill it and China has no future.

    And the same goes for Globalism.


  37. Everett Miller says:

    Lots of comments here assuming the ChiComs must either ‘win’ against Trump, or ‘fail’ as in the ‘trade war’ causing the world economy todisintegrate into world chaos–this is forgetting something Trump keeps saying over and over, that there can be a win/win situation where truly free trade, without restrictions and/or tariffs, where China starts following their agreements and things get better and better for all. This is not impossible, nor pie-in-the sky. it is the probable outcome thanks to one Donald J Trump.


  38. dufrst says:

    China better make a deal in October or else Trump will raise tariffs again. The more he raises tariffs, the less leverage China has over a deal. Think of it. Trump is adding to his leverage with each tariff raise. In order for China to get the tariffs removed, they have to make major concessions. The longer this goes on and the more tariffs Trump adds, the worse the deal becomes for China.

    The have to make a deal because there’s no telling how high Trump can go with the tariffs. He’s already at 30% (in Dec) on half the goods and 15% on the rest. He can raise it to 35% and 20% respectively if no deal is struck in Oct.

    The stakes are high. China is gambling but just as in Hong Kong, the obvious play is the one they keep resisting (where they should have withdrawn the extradition law at the beginning) and it only makes their situation worse the longer they try to avoid making the obvious deal.

    Trump’s mastery of the Chinese is a true lesson in deal making. He told them to read the Art of the Deal! They thought it was a joke, but now I don’t think anyone in China is laughing anymore. MAGA!!


  39. MattyIce says:

    I don’t even want a deal with China, just tax their shit product from here into eternity. Who cares.


  40. Pyrthroes says:

    Congressional House and Senate prospects are one thing, Pres. Trump’s Executive Branch incumbency is quite another. However the 116th Congress assorts itself in 2020 – ’22, this Administration’s self-evident merit plus Rats’ slapstick-candidates all but guarantee Hsi’s minions will roll gutterballs some fourteen months from now.

    As for Wall Street: Having divorced Price from Value, timing and volatility is all… and where interest-rate arbitrage looms large, liquidity is key. As manipulative, self-dealing Central Bankers tilt at windmills, “stimulus” via ruinous Negative Interest Rates (!) reduces volatility to micro-ticks where algo-systems’ sloshing bootstrap volume inevitably destabilizes trading.

    When hive-mind politics takes charge, Reality devolves to Gogol’s onrushing Troika in “Dead Souls” (1842). Through 2020, we’ll hold “physical gold”… “A strange game, Professor– the only way to win is not to play” (“War Games”, 1983).


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