North Korean “Projectile” Test….

There’s something really odd about the latest reports from South Korea about a test of three missiles the South has corrected to describe as “projectiles”.  The odd part is there’s zero mention in North Korea state media about it.  Fox News picked up on that aspect in a brief sentence inside their report:

[…]  South Korean officials were monitoring the situation and were sharing information with their American counterparts. North Korea did not report on Saturday’s firings. Seoul’s intelligence agency said it thinks the projectiles were not missiles given their short travel distances and low altitude.

Amid a tremendous amount of recent geopolitical background moves; and given the history of China using the DPRK as a geopolitical proxy province; there’s a possibility Beijing ordered the action.

Out of caution, please note our CTH perspective is entirely outside the mainstream view on the dynamic within the DPRK and the network around Kim Jong-un.  Quite simply all of the moves, counter-moves, and specifically the timing of them, align with the U.S. and China confrontation far more than most mainstream observers seem to notice.

Through the years of our research, and specifically as it relates to overlaying timing of events as they unfold, it still seems as though China controls the influence agents in/around North Korean Chairman Kim Jong-un.   I have gone so far as to say there appears to be more of a captive scenario surrounding Chinese Chairman Xi Jinping and his authoritarian alignment with Chairman Kim.

In the past two-and-a-half years every time North Korea presents a hostile action it has been simultaneous to a background event where the U.S. and China are confronting each-other.  The coincidences; and there have been dozens of unique examples; are far too common not to be connected.

My hunch is that Chairman Kim has little to no control over the activity within the top-tier of his military.  I highly suspect China directly controls the upper-tier of DPRK military leadership.  If that very strong suspicion is correct; the launch of these ‘projectiles’ would be aligned with a series of three background events:

♦One: A very serious stage in the U.S-China trade negotiations where Secretary Mnuchin and USTR Robert Lighthizer just left Beijing.  Remember, this recent meeting was going to be the key meeting for Mnuchin and Lighthizer’s recommendations to President Trump as to whether an actual trade agreement with communist China was possible.

♦Event Two:  Chairman Kim Jong-un just returned from meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin for the first time.  Kim doesn’t travel much at all.  Chairman Xi (China) and Vladimir Putin (Russia) are strategically very close partners. [Emphasize “very”]

♦Event Three:  President Trump has an hour long phone call with President Putin; literally in the same 24-hr period where Pyongyang decides to test their missiles projectiles again.

As with events in 2017 and 2018, these events seem more connected; especially against the completely opposite nature of words to deeds in the Trump/Kim Hanoi summit.  Again, something happened in the hour inside that summit after Kim stunningly said he was at the summit to discuss denuclearization – and an hour later reversed course.

Again, the sequencing is key.  President Trump and Chairman Kim set up Hanoi summit date. President Trump and Chairman Xi meet in Argentina (G20); and the outcome was an agreement to delay round-2 tariffs on China.  Trump and Kim then meet in Hanoi and Chairman Kim has a 180° reversal in position.  Trump walks away.

Individually Xi and Putin have been losing to Trump’s strategy.  Their mutual interests in Iran, Pakistan and Central America (Venezuela) have been blunted by Trump.  Economically Trump has used energy as a policy to weaken Russia; and Trump has constructed an alliance of trade interests to weaken China.

At the 30k ft level it looks like Chairman Xi and President Putin are working in concert now to leverage a fall-back defensive position around Chairman Kim.  With Xi controlling the majority elements of the DPRK as a proxy province, renewed missile tests are once again focused on weakening President Trump.

So far China and Russia have been defeated by Trump’s use of economics as a geopolitical weapon.  To retain their interests China and Russia are bleeding out cash to their strategic allies; but Trump keeps moving quickly and cutting them off (see Iran).  Their economies  can only bleed out cash for so long…. So it would stand to reason they would shift tactics and try to get more confrontational militarily… yet, they don’t want the visibility of military confrontation.  That’s where North Korea comes in.

Last point, if you look at President Trump’s tweets from the perspective that Chairman Kim is somewhat a of a captive to his circumstances, they seem to make more sense:


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115 Responses to North Korean “Projectile” Test….

  1. Maquis says:

    North Korea could be so rich, truly, but I’m definitely in Sundance’s camp on this thought, Kim and his countrymen are hostages to China and possibly even Russia.

    SK President Moon is wrong. NK doesn’t need a Sunshine Policy, it needs Sunlight, with a Trump-sized magnifying glass.

    Liked by 25 people

    • SwampRatTerrier says:

      Spot on!

      Sundance nails it!

      Communist China is the 100% master of North Korea.

      Kim is just their helpless puppet who can’t escape them….yet.

      Liked by 7 people

      • A2 says:

        It was reported in the official DPRK press

        Be careful of reports made so soon after an event of this sort.

        Read the statement

        Kim understands the UN sanctions on launching missiles as only applicable to ICBMs which is wrong, but that’s how he waddles. Hence ‘projectiles’ reworded by SK. Don’t want to start a war.

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      • Orville R. Bacher says:

        Communist China – built from American Capital and free access to the U.S. consumer market. The tap should have been turned off 20 years ago.
        The USA does not need ANYTHING that China makes.
        Trading with the enemy. How more insane can it get.

        Liked by 8 people

        • woodstuff says:

          Orville: agree and disagree. It will take a while before more USA consumer products can move out of China and to the U.S, or to at least to other more friendly countries. Manufacturing development takes time, even for small products. Much talk has made about cars and large stuff. Store shelves reveal a different experience for me.

          Most retailers offer mostly Chinese-made products and very few domestic needs. I hate that. For most of my adult life I sought the best quality things and went out of my way and paid more to this end. Ya can’t buy many things now not made in China.

          Again, I agree “Trading with the enemy” is wrong, This wrong must be corrected ASAP.

          Liked by 1 person

          • Walt says:

            You’re virtually the only other person I know to have noticed that the U.S. makes almost NONE of the small essentials:

            Hand tools, portable generators and pumps, grinders, lathes, drill presses, optics, power tools of all sorts up to about two-man lift and/or $10,000 price — ALL of it is Made in China. Look around the tools/hardware section of Wal-Mart: The only thing made here is garbage cans, mail boxes, and similar low-tech bulky stuff.

            People complain about ‘cheap Chinese junk’ but they buy and use it: The Chinese make what the market demands and if QC isn’t good enough on a new product, WAIT. They’ll fix it in a few years.

            Furthermore they’ve got the shipping down: Even for low-volume stuff that isn’t stocked in the U.S. you can get it in 10 days to two weeks. Similar kinds of items from Russia take double the time because the postal system there SUX.

            All this is fine as long as the Chinese are always willing to make this stuff for us in the quantities we need. What do you think will happen in a serious confrontation? We are at least a few YEARS of full-on (expensive!) mobilization to be able to supply for ourselves the most critical items in the Wal-Mart tool department.

            The economic issues are serious. The national security issue could be a catastrophe.

            Liked by 2 people

            • LookUp says:

              How many items do you buy for a single purpose that cannot perform it? A can opener that will not open cans. Cat food that a cat will not eat. Wind chimes that cannot handle the wind. Clocks that will not keep accurate time. Thermometers that cannot give accurate temperatures. These are just a few examples I have personally dealt with in the last month. All of this TRASH came from China. I can hardly WAIT for America to begin making ALL the stuff we need as soon as possible. What a glorious day it will be. I don’t care if it costs more…the price might finally reflect the quality and endurance of the product.

              Liked by 1 person

            • Lost says:

              Flip side to that is that China can’t feed itself. They cut us off on drills and generators, etc, and all of a sudden they don’t have enough soybeans or pork to go around.


        • Clarissa says:

          Recall that when China was admitted to the WTO, globalists told us that a closer relationship would soften China’s communism and promote American values of freedom and respecting human rights.

          We can now assess that the true effects have been almost 100% the reverse. It is the American values which have been weakened.

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      • John Allan Wilson says:

        And factor in the demand that SS Mike Pompeo be removed from the negotiations. President Trump appears to be very effective in his strategic moves and is creating uncertainty on the other side. President Trump and his administration are truly changing the world in a good way for us, the American people. IMO.


    • SAM-TruthFreedomLiberty says:

      SK Moon strategy basically means they are bowing down to China.
      Trump strategy in a way means Kim running towards Trump with possibly half of the NK elite trying to hit the breaks hard.

      The projectile test adds some leverage to China’s trade dealing as NK is probably part of it.
      They show that they’re in charge to Trump.

      But doesn’t it all boil down to the US power economy and China needing access?

      Liked by 5 people

      • swimeasy says:

        Projectile vs a missile? Surely Kim and China would know that US would be able to tell the difference. Sounds like Kim is trying to resist open defiance with Trump while also placating China’s demands.


      • Ruckus Amongus says:

        Sounds like Kim has his own China controlled Deep State he is dealing with.

        Liked by 2 people

  2. TheTorch says:

    If this is not the greatest President ever, I don’t know who is, unless you go way way back.

    He is operating on another level.

    VSG indeed! 🙂

    Liked by 17 people

  3. The Boss says:

    Our son is on alert at his base in South Korea. He follows events more than his peers. He called earlier (middle of the night there) and opined much along the same lines; i.e., that the Chicoms are acting up through North Korea. Also, second time “projectiles” were sent into the ocean. Some are joking that the NoKos are using catapults.

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    • jnr2d2 says:

      Don’t need a military blockade. Economic calculations are enough, as above of mfg moving and tariffs on China.We can get cheap stuff from many counties, including cheap labor. China is nothing special unless they allow a consumer economy to thrive and grow.

      Liked by 3 people

      • jnr2d2 says:

        P.S. And we can send more sophisticated radars and weapons. Maybe start a nuclear program with Japan and S Korea. Maybe recognize Taiwan. Got many options, other than a blockaded which if done with ships is an act of war.

        Liked by 4 people

  4. Akindole says:

    And, where’s that intelligence come front?

    The very same company that Brennan serves as Emeritus Scumbag.

    Liked by 7 people

  5. CNN_sucks says:

    Dissappointing. But hey NK can continue eating grass.

    Liked by 1 person

    • sickconservative says:

      Aren’t they down to dirt at this point, they had an opportunity to join the real world but seems they declined.


  6. trapper says:

    “short travel distances and low altitude.”

    My first thought was “infield grounder,” but I like Sundance’s analysis better. On the other hand, a passive/aggressive approach by Kim or some generals to a Chinese order to fire off a missile might be to lob a skyrocket into the air. “There. THAT what you wanted?”

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    • 🍺Gunny66 says:

      They are more than likely Artillery shells/projectiles…they can travel high into the air..

      I was a Field Artillery Operations chief….depends upon method of fire, but some of the Artillery shells / projectiles we fired had to get clearance from NASA…

      Calculations include….equilibrium yaw….projectile drag…rotation of the earth…the effect gravity has on the projectile….

      When I worked in South Korea with my civilian company, North Korea would always fire some projectiles into the ocean……no one even cared…but…

      Something about this kinda smells from the South Korean side..

      Just sayin.

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      • Kent says:

        ……perhaps they really were projectiles…Putins visit had a specific purpose?….toss in a low yield battlefield nuclear warhead fired from very long range artillery and…viola….

        “The Koalitsiya-SV can reportedly fire rounds up to 43 miles, much farther than the Paladin at 18 miles and Great Britain’s AS90 Braveheart at 24 miles.
        It’s also capable of firing a variety of rounds, like standard and rocket-assisted high-explosive fragmentation projectiles, cluster projectiles and jammer projectiles, according to These projectiles, however, unlike Russia’s new long-range precision-guided shell, have firing ranges of less than 43 miles. ”


      • A2 says:

        Pictures have been released. Solid fuel srbms and long range multiple missile launchers. Shown on NK TV. Not ‘projectiles’. That was reworded by SK to play down the event.


    • Genie says:

      “short travel distances and low altitude.”

      The shame and embarrassment of projectile dysfunction.

      Liked by 4 people

    • Dutchman says:

      Can’t help but think “projectile vomiting” when I see “projectile”, but maybe thats just me?

      Liked by 1 person

  7. Jim in TN says:

    Even when it was reported as missiles, they weren’t long or medium range, the type that NK promised not to shoot off.

    I find several possibilities fascinating.

    The report keeps being downgraded. Real, or a way of trying to downplay tensions on our part?

    An aggressive act that looks bad but proves not so bad. Was this an attempt to bait us into retaliation? Or is this a trial act to see what they can get away with?

    Liked by 2 people

    • Robert Smith says:

      Like Syrian provocations it’s to try to goad Trump into doing something he does not want to. I think Trump’s tweet gave the answer.

      Liked by 3 people

  8. MIKE says:

    This must be chairman eleven jinping trying to create a distraction for PDJT.
    This allows PDJT to gauge how f****d pewtin and ping are feeling right now.
    Gettin close to hammer time. Just drop it. Now.

    Liked by 2 people

  9. Dutchman says:

    My thought. Only in history, will we appreciate just HOW much damage was done to PDJT and U.S. interests, by this muh Russia nonsence, blocking PDJT’s ability to forge a relationship with Russia,….AGAINST China.
    There has ALWAYS been friction between the two, historically.,even during USSR days.

    There are many areas of common interest between USA and Russia; Putin is NOT “on board” with Globalism and 1 World Government. He is a nationalist, doesn’t want to cede his power, nor his countries soveriegnity.
    He is Christian, and has promoted reemergence kof Russian Orthodox Church.
    He has been fighting globalist interests, that were incorporating former eastern bloc countries into E.U. and Nato, crowding him.
    And he has little use for Muslims.

    Anyway, having ‘peeled off’ Brazil and India (from BRIC), Russia would be logical next step, to isolate China.

    Liked by 20 people

    • zorrorides says:

      Oh you got it, Dutchman!

      Liked by 1 person

    • Dutchman I concur. Russia should be cultivated as a friend and ally if Caucasian/Western peoples are to have any long term future .

      Liked by 4 people

    • Critical Mass says:

      “this muh Russia nonsence, blocking PDJT’s ability to forge a relationship with Russia,….AGAINST China.”

      This was probably one of the covert objectives of the Russia thing all along. Deep State collusion with the Chinese?

      Liked by 2 people

      • Dutchman says:

        Yes, I THINK many of the coupists are marxist stalinists, and they would NOT like Putins Russia, but would align well with Chicoms.

        And ues, they thought they had a two-fer, the whole undermine/hamstring PDJT, and for gosh sakes, keep him from forming alliance with Putin.

        Oh, three-fer; mess up the pipeline deal papa d was working on, by involving him, and having allies in isreal atrack netanyahu during his reelection in similar,way to attack on DJT.

        Liked by 1 person

        • Critical Mass says:

          Well spotted, Dutchman. I’ve always thought that the overt and sensationalist focus on Trump impeachment for Russian collusion was a stalking horse or distraction. And was all this just about ideology or the grubby old business of power and money?

          There’s a lot more to the Israel-Papadopoulos angle as well. Massive oil reserves in the east Mediterranean off the coasts of Israel, Cyprus and Greece.

          Keep up with the astute observations, Dutchman.


      • fthoma says:

        Biden certainly was dismissive of China as a threat a couple of days ago.


  10. Mike Dennis says:

    The President should just announce that going forward any hostile action from NK will have been directed from China and that they will be held responsible. Start booting out their students from US colleges etc…

    Liked by 8 people

  11. Dutchman says:

    Sundance and Treepers;
    A while back, in the comments, someone posted a picture of Kim and his family, without attribution.

    It was STARTLING in how it obviously seem to support SD’s theory, of Kim as hostage.
    In the picture were Kim, several women (wife and in law?) I think some children,….and a General in full uniform off to the side.
    The women seemed to have a look of barely disguised terror on their face.

    Anyway, would be the PERFECT picture to accompany this, or,any article on Kim.

    Liked by 1 person

  12. sarasotosfan says:

    Yes, this struck me as a Chinese snit over trade talks. It could be the tariffs are coming.

    Liked by 3 people

    • Dutchman says:

      To me, the negotiations were highly unlikely to lead to an agreement. They kept the “trade war” low key, while U.S. manufacturing was able to re-tool, other trade agreements could be put in place, etc.

      And, he can say he TRIED, but China refused to agree, to quit CHEATING, and so he has “no choice” but to ramp up sanctions, and any criticism is blunted.

      Problem China has; NK can only be used as a BLUFF. Its like the bullet in your chamber you never fire. PDJT KNOWS this; Hence his tweeting taunting Kim early on.

      He was destroying the myth that NK were “crazy”, so you better give them stuff. THAT was an early, important step, cause he,was also telling China;
      “I’m not afraid; I am ON to your game!”

      I am establishing a clear, red line with regard to NK. Below that line, I will ignore NK behavior, above it I’ll make the rubble bounce.

      This was a part of his strategy to nuetralise the NK threat, like calling out a bully. It worked. China is in the same boat their proxies in Congress are in, with regard to PDJT.

      They got into a battle of wits, and find they woefully low in ammunition, and their opponent is stocked up.

      Its like watching the harlem globetrotters playing, or Muhamad Ali fighting. Its a thing of beauty!

      Liked by 7 people

      • sarasotosfan says:

        Amen. Trump has exposed China. Our “intelligence” has not been worth a bucket of spit for the past fifty years and Trump has exposed them also.

        Liked by 8 people

      • Robert Smith says:

        “And, he can say he TRIED, but China refused to agree, to quit CHEATING, and so he has “no choice” but to ramp up sanctions, and any criticism is blunted.”

        Trump does this all the time with foreign and domestic opponents. He is correct in saying that talking is always an option because you have nothing to lose. And it sets the tome for the future because when the other side comes back to you they are going to be at a position worse than when you spoke as a point of negotiation.

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    • Robert Smith says:

      Trump has always wanted the tariffs. They make the calculation easy for companies to shift manufacturing back to the US – or, at least, out China. China has some significant drawbacks for a company to put all their manufacturing marbles.

      Liked by 1 person

      • sarasotosfan says:

        Trump has used tariffs to get the trade deals. I do not believe he wants tariffs, he wants the favorable trade agreements the threat can produce.

        Liked by 3 people

        • Robert Smith says:

          I think China is different. They are unlikely to follow whatever they sign. I can’t imagine they want an enforcement mechanism that leaves the US with a finger on the trigger pointed at them. In the long run we’ll get a trade deal, but it may be tariffs for a number of years until China capitulates.

          Liked by 2 people

          • sarasotosfan says:

            Overnight success is always years in the making and until Trump became President, we have never even tried. It is past time we do so.

            Liked by 4 people

  13. zorrorides says:

    TY Sundance! There must be some actual Leninist/ Stalinists in control of the CCP, because otherwise China would not be gripping so tightly onto these plans for global domination. The point being that China doesn’t want outsiders to be part of China; not Mongolians, Koreans, Siberians,
    Vietnamese nor Thai, and especially not Indians. China is content being its own vast respected self.

    The only exception so far is Tibet. India would naturally have taken Tibet’s defense and foreign policy if China left Tibet alone. What’s the point of having the long reaches of Sinkiang without Tibet as its obvious geographic end-place? China might like the wealth of nations to flow to it by belt and road, but it doesn’t want the nations or their people in China.

    I believe the deep state/ globalists/ inner families think China will be content with hegemony in their sphere of influence, and allow the globalists control everywhere else. Feeding USA’s wealth to China works well for globalist’s takeover.

    IMO Donald Trump understands that hostility or military war with China is counter-productive. If President Trump can defeat the hidden globalist state and free America, and perhaps free other nations in the West, then there is no need for conflict with China.

    Liked by 2 people

    • Dutchman says:

      I think Globalists = Chicoms, Chicoms = Globalists.
      Democrat party = Globalists
      Democrat party = Chicoms

      Look at commonalities.
      Can’t compete, unless they CHEAT
      Want to destroy America, because,as the shining city on the hill, it is biggest POTENTIAL impediment for one world government.

      Won’t back down, EVER. Can’t; it is an EXISTENTIAL battle, a BINARY struggle, where only ONE can survive.

      SAME, cause judge them by their actions.

      Liked by 3 people

      • SwampRatTerrier says:

        I think you’ve got it.

        This June/July 2018 Town & Country magazine issue is a perfect revelation of how it’s Chicom and elitists traitor sell ups that are the main Globalists.

        Put on your hip high waders before looking into that issue because it is almost all Communist Chinese kissing up by American Rich Elitists!

        Liked by 2 people

        • zorrorides says:

          SwampRat, eww, empty-headed upper middle-class elite sure have a stink of stupid, don’t they?

          I can imagine these American elites would be given honor and rank as commanders of bus caravans, taking deplorables to Fema camps out in the country. They’ll be so surprised when the Fema officer explains, “I’m sorry, our orders are explicit; you are to be detained here in camp along with your busload of deplorables.”

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      • zorrorides says:

        Present configuration is exactly as you say, Dutchman. My thought is Mr Trump’s victories in the campaign against the world’s deep state/ deep democrats will find China evolving away from the CP. China can lose the Communist Party as quickly as Russia did. Yet when that happens the Chinese characteristics i mentioned above will still remain.

        Then we in MAGA-land must defeat the demoncrats you speak of, in the USA and all our affiliated nations in western culture.

        Outside of Gengis Khan, China can not be conquered from outside. If you did, you might be Hitler’s successful Germany or the greatist British Empire or Communist Moscow International. But you can have the world and all that’s in it if you can defeat and control the US of America. Jesus is God’s cornerstone. America can be the keystone, for evil or good.

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        • vincepiotet says:

          A few generals and one businessman have turned the tables worldwide in two years !
          (This is a very small part of 6000 years of GOD’s unmerited mercy & grace)
          Consider how seldom we have faced such a wonderful opportunity
          Consider the worldwide benefits of Trump’s approach.
          Let’s support Trump and change things !
          America can lead the whole world
          to prosperity and to freedom.
          Lets care for others
          Instead of
          for lies.


    • Robert Smith says:

      Can you imagine if we were messing around in China to the extent that China does in the US? China would have collapsed already.

      Liked by 1 person

  14. Merkin Muffy says:

    Can you tell someone’s been talking with Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping lately???


  15. Doppler says:

    Is it possible that President Trump is also dealing with his own Administration’s Deep State players, still holding onto power, resisting from within, as he negotiates with Xi, Putin and Kim? Possible further that those Deep State players have long ago chosen to enrich themselves at the Chinese banquet table for influential foreigners and their close families, and risk exposure as the Spygate narrative warms up? If Xi has such players, would he not be using them now? If Trump is intent on draining the swamp, would he not want to ensnare these guys at the same time?

    Further, the big, Big, BIG story unfolding here of routine and rampant FISA abuse – the one that dates back to 2012 and before with contractors given access to run thousands of unlawful queries per quarter – feeds my long-standing economic concern about PRISM: namely that access to its data-bases makes possible virtually invisible and automated insider trading, something that can most easily be monetized by hedge-funds betting on price fluctuations on futures for any and every publicly traded security. Pick an asset, identify the CFOs, CEOs, auditors, lawyers, who will know in advance about price-moving events, and monitor their every digital bit for clues that something substantial is about to happen, then place your unsupervised, under-reported bets and rake in the dough. With the assurance that your access stands behind top secret national security walls, guarded by deep state players well-versed in corrupt manipulation of power.

    If that FISA abuse (more properly, PRISM abuse, since it represented an end-around of FISA) is about to come out, wouldn’t these hypothetical hedge-fund interests benefiting the most financially from this rigged casino of derivatives trading also be deeply worried about their own prospects? Is our VSG PDJT unaware of this aspect of the Swamp? Or is he simultaneously squeezing all of the bad guys, along with all our trading partners who spy on us and tempt our public servants with wealth, even while HIS DOJ continues dozens of investigations of every level of corruption in the swamp?

    Call me an optimist, but anything short of this will fail to free us from the Swamp.

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    • Dutchman says:

      First paragraph question, IMHO.
      NO, it is NOT “possible” it is a CERTAINTY!
      McConnell, Ryan ,Pelosi, Difi, take control of the leadership of both parties in Congress, either by blackmail or bribes, and you control Congress.

      Which explains Decepticon/Republicon behavior. The two cocks, CoC/Kock bros. are $ laundering operations for China, the Clinton foundation as well.

      $ORO$ too.

      And yes, yor thoughts mirror mine, regarding using NSA databases to mine for data of impending merger.
      Bribe a Senator by giving his AID the tip on a stock, along with legislation written by the lobbyist. Senator introduces legislation and has brother in law invest in stock.

      To NOT use this database for insider trading, but ONLY for political spying, would be ludicrous. Of COARSE they did, what,would PREVENT them?

      Fear of getting caught? Morals? Nothing to stop them.

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    • sarasotosfan says:

      CIA and State Department have both been abject failures, no offense to Gina Haspel and Mike Pompeo. Trump’s policies require these institutions to be rebuilt from the ground up and he needs to make the case for it to begin.

      Liked by 2 people

  16. Lou Zimmer says:

    China is most definitely pulling the N. Korea strings. What to do with China, a country that never honors its’ agreements, and uses N. Korea to poke us in our eye? Bring outsourced manufacturing into our hemisphere long term, short term anywhere in Asia but China. China long term has a multitude of issues, let’s exacerbate those issues. Give them what they have done to us.

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    • Dutchman says:

      Exploit the inherent weaknesses in their system, that they have ONLY been able to address, by CHEATING.

      If they don’t CHEAT, they can’t COMPETE! PDJT is doing Reagan vs. USSR, 2.0. Vibrant Capitalism WILL be collectivist conmunism, in a ‘fair’ fight, every time.

      Just as Nationalism will beat Globalism, in a FAIR fight, every time. Cause its the SAME fight.

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  17. clr says:

    Last week President Trump said if Cuba remains in Venezuela he may blockade Cuba. This has to be a big factor that Russia and China must consider. I like this idea. POTUS knows – and everyone can see what the vaunted Communist system has done to a once prosperous nation. People there are in agony and just trying to survive.
    Thanks, Sundance for thoughtful analysis above. Consider also how Cuba figures in here. I’d be interested in comments to follow.

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  18. Sean Supsky says:

    As NK returns to testing projectiles (read missiles) the tariffs climb higher, and the sanctions increase on China, as President Trump continues to encourage Kim to stay strong for his country.

    The end of the matter, I think we will eventually see, will be NK becoming an independent county free of foreign handlers.

    I think that is President Trumps’ aim as well.

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  19. Publius2016 says:

    45 has America ready to launch to the STARS!

    Globalists stand in the way…Putin and Xi know that 2020 is the key…question is are they both aligned with Globalists or Nationalists???

    Liked by 1 person

    • zorrorides says:

      Publius, I think Putin for sure and probably Xi have inner hearts who prefer Trump to victory by the ruling regime, Deepstate Allover. Russia and China may not contribute as much money and war materiel that Deepstate is counting on.

      Who knew Donald Trump is who he is? Who wants to choose Trump for an enemy, if they don’t have to choose?


  20. sarasotosfan says:

    Trump is going to keep swinging his velvet hammer for us. This is far better than the wars we have become accustomed to.

    Liked by 3 people

    • SwampRatTerrier says:

      You say that again!

      At least since Korea, just about all our wars have been nothing but “elitists’ self-enrichment” programs.

      Liked by 2 people

      • Dutchman says:

        Also, a ‘genocidal’program, to wipe out Deplorables, putting them in endless wars, with stop loss, multiple deployments, idiotic rules of engagement and of coarse largely child bearing age patriots.

        Coincidence? And notice how the previous admin did NOTHING about correcting the horrid abuses of veteran treatment.

        I am so paranoid I am wondering about the Opiod crises, which would have been ANOTHER genocidal program, aimed at Deplorables.

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        • Doppler says:

          Dutchman, just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean people aren’t out to screw America. It was recently reported that Perdue Pharma somehow got the FDA to change the indications for use document covering oxycontin from short-term use for extreme pain, to longterm 24/7 use for pain, without submitting any evidence justifying this change. As someone involved in getting numerous new drugs and devices approved by FDA, the news that this happened (circa early 2000s) is mind-blowing. Somehow someone at the core of the FDA’s reason for existence was corrupted to allow the opioid epidemic to slaughter millions of Americans, and enrich this family-owned business by many billions per year.

          I’m still plowing through Diana West’s “Betrayed” revisiting the stunning evidence of Marxist influence, nay control, of the US government since the FDR administration, and cannot help but believe that an unholy alliance of Marxist cadre, coupled with sympathetic academics and journalists, globalist financiers, and everyone they are able to buy or influence (mostly the corrupt, the useful idiots and the naive bleeding hearts who cannot help but trust people who claim to be concerned for the poor) to march like sheeple to be sheared of the blessings of liberty. I find myself putting it down repeatedly to apply the lessons and insights exposed to current events.

          Liked by 4 people

          • zorrorides says:

            Doppler, I like to say we hear ya, coming and going, and you’re pretty much always right.

            Liked by 2 people

            • Your Tour Guide says:

              Look closely at where the opoid epidemic has hit hardest.
              The Ohio River valley areas. West Virginia, Pennsylvania,
              Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio.

              This area was formerly full of everything that Obama in
              particular ( and Globalists, period) hate. Good paying jobs,
              little education required. Coal mines, steel mills, auto
              assembly, parts supplying plants. They were killing off the
              future persons that would have taken over from the few
              retirees left in those industries.

              Take away the drug addiction and you have exactly what
              Britain did to it’s industries from the 70s until the present.

              These pricks absolutely despise any situation where
              people can conceivably get ahead without playing by
              their arbitrary rules.

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              • diogenes says:

                Slaves have always been much easier to rule and control than free men. Someone addicted to drugs and hopeless from having no prospect of employment is a slave and easily ruled.

                Liked by 1 person

  21. thedoc00 says:

    Something else to consider. I always find it interesting while working out at the gym to watch side by side monitors with CNN, Fox and MSNBC. Today they were running the normal related TDS stuff; Trouble in NK, trouble in Palestine Israel’s fault and finally failed Venezuelan effort. The Venezuelan story caught my eye because there was a major oops in the AP footage used.

    The talking heads were moaning how Maduro was able to go into pubic surrounded by all those loyal troops, with a picture of Maduro, seemingly in a pubic place, surrounded by hundreds of loyal soldiers. Then the oops occurred as the cut away from the story came….the idiot producers at CNN left a few frames of video with a wide angle perspective. Turns out the video being used to support the story was shot at a soccer field somewhere in the country with Maduro as the pole man in a circle jerk of few hundred soldiers packed very tightly around him … and lots and lots of empty space outside the circle of troops. Just wondering what is really happening and who is really winning??

    Consider the Chinese forced the NK Army to launch a few (maybe) “projectiles”.

    The Iranians have Hamas launch allot of missiles, Iran sanctions and Russian pressure come to mind.

    Then this pole man in the circle jerk video.

    Do not count out that Russia and China are feeling the heat over Venezuela as well.

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  22. thedoc00 says:

    NK Projectiles and Palestinian Rockets are connected. Do not overlook Venezuela also being part of the equation.

    Liked by 3 people

    • jrapdx says:

      And don’t forget that Iran is part of that equation. Get rid of the horrible dictators in Iran and half of the other situations would be solved.

      Liked by 1 person

  23. SHV says:

    “My hunch is that Chairman Kim has little to no control over the activity within the top-tier of his military.”
    I think the sudden change, seemingly overnight, from steady diplomatic “progress” to “We are going to nuke the running dog Trump”, showed that the Senior military had had enough of “reasonable” KIm and jerked his leash really hard. The recent events seem to indicate that Kim has lost or never had control of the country. Is it China or the Military and Senior Party or both calling the shots?


  24. A2 says:

    It was reported in the NK press. Official statement

    Also in the Chinese press.
    Be careful of reports so soon after an event of this sort.

    This was a Goldilocks manoeuvre that was signalled after statements made by NK about consequences after SK US training exercises.


  25. Barnestormer says:

    With control of the world’s largest oil reserves up for grabs in Venezuela, one might reasonably wonder whether that situation doesn’t deserve some consideration in a policy analysis regarding the U.S., China and Russia. Or have I missed something?


    • diogenes says:

      Don’t the American shale deposits and Saudi gulf deposits both significantly out-size the Venezuelan fields? Plus as I recall the Venezuelan stuff is nearly garbage in need of significant refining before it’s usable in anything.

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  26. graphiclucidity says:

    This scenario you propose, SD, is another reason President Trump must not get involved militarily in Venezuela.

    Hang that disaster around the necks of the Maduro regime, and his backers in Cuba, Russia, and China. Make them all own the suffering that Chavismo has wrought.

    Offer Juan Guaido, and the opposition, support in every way but military.
    Send food, medical, and other aid, and let Maduro use his military to prevent its distribution.

    Every time the media presses on what the U.S. must do to stop the suffering of the Venezuelan people, tell them some variation of:
    “Ask the Cubans, Russians, and Chinese why they continue to back the Maduro dictatorship? Have they chosen oil over blood?”.

    Make them own it.
    Make them the imperialist pariahs they’ve made America out to be for decades.

    Because the very second a U.S. soldier sets foot on Venezuelan soil, it’s no longer their problem, it’s “the Yanqui imperialists up to their old tricks again!”.

    If that happens, it’s no longer Maduro’s disaster, it then becomes Trump’s war.

    Liked by 3 people

    • zorrorides says:

      Yep. I think our President Trump can fully enforce the Monroe Doctrine. ‘They’ can not have a part in the western hemisphere/ new world. None. No part at all.

      And Trump will do it without sending the Marines into Venezuela.

      Liked by 2 people

  27. Kleen says:

    China, Russia and Iran had Latin America all to themselves.

    Iran was setting up Hezbolah cells all over. China was buying up Brazil through dirty deals and stealing natural resources.

    Then came pesky Trump. Then the Brazilian Trump.

    Now Venezuela is no longer a calm, reliable ally to the Russians, China and Iran. Venezuela has the biggest oil reserve in the world. About half of that sits actually on the Brazilian side.

    Party over!

    Liked by 1 person

  28. Nigella says:

    For little rocket man it’s more of an erectile test


  29. TreeClimber says:

    Much like Sam Gamgee, I have a nasty suspicious mind, and out of my nasty suspicious mind springs the question, is an assassinated Kim a likelihood? “Too bad, so sad, should we replace him with his sister or his oldest/most malleable child?”


    • Dutchman says:

      I THINK PDJT has SOMEWHAT given Kim a life insurance policy. China wants to be able to NOT be SEEN as responsible for NK actions, in order to leverage US.
      IF PDJT has exposed that NK actions are,really CHINA actions, they lose leverage.
      Bumping off Kim, at this point would be exposing themselves, something the Chicoms don’t want.

      Its a risky game for Kim, but then he’s had an ax over his head, for years.

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  30. Sue Fowler says:

    John Xenakis agrees with the CTH take. The military is the thing. Little fat boy us the front man.

    Liked by 1 person

  31. A2 says:

    This report was just posted ( and includes the official KNCA statement, as I said above Fox News was wrong). It gives a good timeline and WH. Responses.

    Liked by 1 person

  32. A2 says:

    US Special Representative for North Korea, Biegun will be heading to Tokyo 7-8 May, then to Seoul to discuss CVID, per spokesman.

    Nice timing


  33. Troublemaker10 says:

    Kevin McCarthy was asked about Trump’s tweet to Kim by Judge Jeanine Pirro and said that he thinks the tweet was a message that Kim understood (a message between the two) , but we might not. Pirro agreed.

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  34. Heika says:

    I think this makes sense. I was thinking about BRICS just last week and what has happened there.
    Its obvious Kim is a toy. Remember where this started.


  35. trialbytruth says:

    possible take on projectile..

    Smart rocket assisted Artillery?

    Liked by 1 person

  36. Heika says:

    Where did it all start?

    May 1999
    “The Clinton Administration notified Congress today that it had approved the export of technology to China to permit the launching of a communications satellite aboard a Chinese rocket next month.

    President Clinton said in a letter to Congress that the transfer would not harm national security or significantly improve China’s military capability in space. The President was required under a 1998 law to certify that all such technology exports are in the national interest.

    The certification was the first such notice to Congress under the law, which was passed in the aftermath of a Congressional uproar last year over the transfer of sensitive missile technology to China.

    Mr. Clinton’s notification also follows by less than a week the release of a report by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, which concluded that lax monitoring of the launching of American-made satellites aboard Chinese rockets had enhanced the accuracy of China’s ballistic missile arsenal.

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  37. phillip jeffreys says:

    So, a year ago it was China doesn’t want a huge influx of NK refugees fleeing a collapsed economy and starvation. Now it’s China wants to provoke the US and diminish Trump. Which is it?

    Liked by 1 person

  38. simicharmed says:

    ANY North Korean “rocket testing” at this point would be Deep a State (CIA), deliberate scheme! I truly believe such.

    Furthermore, I believe the CIA has been the “cause” of tensions in North Korea and many other regions. This CIA entity has (or perhaps was so designed as), a political operation since it’s formation – much like the DOJ. It was (and still is), Executive Level “Departments” created by Congress and used in an attempt to control the Executive Branch – So much for this “Separation of Powers”!

    Much work needs to be done to clean this mess up created by the ethics deficient Democrat Party. Keep in mind folks – the Democrat Party IS the party of Slavery and Jim Crow Laws – the Democrat Party fought against equality for black people for many decades all the way to less than 50 years ago!

    The party of Hate remains,,,,

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  39. I want to add this thought. Venezuela’s Maduro is only in power because of Russian, Chinese and Cuban Troops are present to be Military advisors plus coordinate Military action against Protesters.. All 3 know that Pres. is well aware of this situation. Pres.Trump has now told Putin and Xi the U.S. won’t tolerate any Foreign Military action in the Americas. It is my belief that there will be a Naval Blockade around Russian & Chinese Troop & Supply Ships soon. This will isolate Russian and Chinese Ships in Venezuelan Ports and the Siege will begin. Pres.Trump is already isolating Cuba who is the closet resupply staging area. Brazile’s Pres. likes Pres.Trump and will aid in Cuba’s isolation. Putin and Xi are well aware of JFK’s Cuban Naval Blockade back in the 60’s.
    ~Fuel, Food and Ammunition does a Military make especially when you are a very long way from ….Tipperary.~

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  40. subro52 says:

    Praying PDJT plan to aid Kim in escaping NK’s predicament from being the pawn of China is successful during his first term. What joy it would to bring to watch his administration free Kim and his people!


  41. Annie Ok says:

    Dear, dear Sundance! I have printed out this article –along with many others so that I can read them in hard copy, and underline, and reread. You have educated me. I have educated others. You are doing the work you set out to do. Thank you, my online friend.


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