Jay Sekulow: “Three” FISA Applications Were Denied in 2016 and What This Means…

During a rather innocuous podcast discussion panel yesterday, one of President Trump’s personal lawyers Jay Sekulow mentioned the FBI had three FISA applications denied by the FISA court in 2016. [Podcast Here – Note comment at 25:05]   The denials were always suspected; however, until now no-one in/around the administration has ever confirmed.

Jay Sekulow did not expand on his statement and did not explain where the information was derived from; however, if accurate this may explain the backstory to why FISA Judge Rudolph Contreras was recused.  This issue has been nagging many people since the recusal notation in December 2017.

On November 30th, 2017, Mike Flynn signed a guilty plea; ostensibly admitting lying to investigators.  The plea was accepted by Judge Rudolph Contreras; who is also a FISA court judge.  Six days later, December 7th, 2017, Judge Contreras “was recused” from the case without explanation.

(Reuters) The U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia judge presiding over the criminal case for President Donald Trump’s former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn has been recused from handling the case, a court spokeswoman said on Thursday.  (read more)

The only two significant things that happened between the initial Mike Flynn plea hearing and the recusal from Judge Contreras was:

#1) The stories about anti-Trump FBI Agent Peter Strzok and his involvement with Fusion-GPS and Christopher Steele (keep this in mind as it pertains to FISC presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer); and

#2) FBI Director Chris Wray appearing before the House Judicial Committee and hearing Representative Jim Jordan demand to see the 2016 FISA application.

In fact, Judge Contreras was recused only a few hours after that House Judicial Committee hearing. The story was memory-holed into the concentric whirlpool of nothingness.  However, if what Jay Sekulow describes is true, and one of the denied FISA applications was against Mike Flynn, some of the issues reconcile.

The first thing to note is the FISA request would have been submitted to the FISA Judges in/around Washington DC.   There are only three possibilities:  Presiding FISA Judge Rosemary Collyer; Judge James Boasberg; and Judge Rudolph Contreras.

(link)

A key point to keep in mind is that FISC Judge Rosemary Collyer was the approver of the rushed FISA application applied against Carter Page in October 2016. Judge Collyer also authored the blistering 99-page FISC opinion against the FBI and DOJ-NSD abuse of the FISA-702(16)(17) system in April 2017.  Contractors doing thousands of “about” search queries, 85% of them being unlawful (non-compliant), and the results shared outside the intelligence community (lacking minimization).

Additionally, Judge Collyer likely knew she was hoodwinked by a lack of honesty from DOJ-NSD head John Carlin, only a day after she approved the Carter Page FISA warrant.  Collyer would also have seen the Page/Strzok text messages about Rudy Contreras as they were released in early December 2017; and Presiding Judge Collyer would have authority to tell Contreras to recuse himself.  Keep all this in mind….

Contreras was the most recent appointment in the summer of 2016 having been designated on May 19th, 2016.  The timing seems pertinent when we look at the text messages from Peter Strzok and Lisa Page.  However, before getting to the text messages also consider this aspect from the book written by Edward Klein (Chapter 3):

Klein’s description in his book aligns with both the content and timeline of the Alfa Bank FISA timeline.  The FISA judge in the book is not mentioned by name; however, from the description in the book as a “he” and the location (“only a few minutes” away), it is almost guaranteed to be Judge James E Boasberg.

Now we jump to the text messages from Lisa Page and Peter Strzok where they discuss how Agent Strzok is actually friends with Judge Contreras.

[Note this text message conversation is around the time just before “Crossfire Hurricane” begins (July 31st, 2016). Also note these text messages were originally hidden and redacted from congress in Dec. 2017 – compare here]

Lisa Page asks Peter Strzok if he was aware “Rudy is on the FISC”?

The conversation is specifically about an investigative need for friendly FISA judges, but Lisa Page and Peter Strzok are concerned about “recusal issues”.

Now, keep in mind all of this sunlight was surfacing in early December of 2017; literally days after Judge Contreras accepted a guilty plea from General Flynn (November 30th, 2017).  Six days later, December 7th, 2017, Judge Contreras “was recused” from the case without explanation.

I’ll bet you a donut Presiding FISC Judge Rosemary Collyer; knowing all of the sketchy DOJ and FBI actions that had taken place in the past eighteen months; and seeing the FBI text messages about her FISA court surface; told Judge Rudy Contreras he could not participate in a legal case were he approved a dubious FISA warrant that was now being used as evidence against the accused, Flynn.   That’s why Contreras “was recused”.

If my suspicion is correct, and I’m more than 90%+ sure on this, the transcribed intercept of Michael Flynn’s communication with Ambassador Kislyak, which was leaked to media, was based on an extended FISA warrant (renewal) where General Michael Flynn was the ongoing surveillance target.

When were the FISA warrants issued?

(HPSCI – LINK Page #12)

Here’s the Evidence We Need:

♦ Prove the July 31st, 2016, Crossfire Hurricane operation originated from fraud by exposing the CIA operation that created the originating “Electronic Communication” memo. Declassify that two-page “EC” document that Brennan gave to Comey.

♦ Release and declassify all of the Comey memos that document the investigative steps taken  by the FBI as an outcome of the operation coordinated by CIA Director John Brennan in early 2016.

♦ Reveal the November 2015 through April 2016 FISA-702 search query abuse by declassifying the April 2017 court opinion written by FISC Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer. Show the FBI contractors behind the 85% fraudulent search queries. [Crowdstrike? Fusion-GPS? Nellie Ohr?]

♦ Subpoena former DOJ-NSD (National Security Division) head John Carlin, or haul him in front of a grand jury, and get his testimony about why he hid the abuse from the FISA court in October 2016; why the DOJ-NSD rushed the Carter Page application to beat NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers to the FISA court; and why Carlin quit immediately thereafter. Squeeze this bastard’s nuts in the proverbial legal vice.

♦ Prove the Carter Page FISA application (October 2016) was fraudulent and based on deceptions to the FISA Court. Declassify the entire document, and release the transcripts of those who signed the application(s); and/or depose those who have not yet testified.

♦ Release all of the Lisa Page and Peter Strzok text messages without redactions. Let sunlight pour in on the actual conversation(s) that were taking place when Crossfire Hurricane (July ’16) and the FISA Application (Oct ’16) were taking place.

♦ Release all of Bruce Ohr 302’s, FBI notes from interviews and debriefing sessions, and other relevant documents associated with the interviews of Bruce Ohr and his internal communications. Including exculpatory evidence that Bruce Ohr may have shared with FBI Agent Joseph Pientka. [And get a deposition from this Pientka fella]

♦ Release the August 2nd, 2017, two-page scope memo provided by DAG Rod Rosenstein to special counsel Robert Mueller to advance the fraudulent Trump investigation, and initiate the more purposeful obstruction of justice investigation.

Yes, they were spying.

Release this material, and the entire corrupt construct is exposed….

 

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284 Responses to Jay Sekulow: “Three” FISA Applications Were Denied in 2016 and What This Means…

  1. OldSaltUSNR says:

    Great analysis.

    My problem with the whole thing (Coup plotters, conflicts of interests, perjury by Fed attorneys and FBI agents, fraudulent “investigation” and exoneration of H. Clinton for her “classified email on a private server” (and ignoring WHY she was using a private server in the first place)), is that there have been no serious criminal investigations or indictments – of ANYONE connected. How could Huber, for example, do his job without presenting a case to a grand jury, and indicting someone? How could the OIC, a sworn officer of the court and Justice LEO, investigate, document, catalog, clear crimes that we’re reading about everyday via a few honest journalists and on BLOGS such as CTH, without issuing a criminal referral to the Justice Department criminal division. How can the criminal division ignore such referrals, as well as Congresses (including Nunes)?

    What’s missing are the indictments, the plea bargaining of the “little indians” back up to the decision makers and order givers, and the coordination of all the evidence Sundance speculates about.

    Why no indictments? Why would be expect a “new sheriff in town” (Barr) to “clean house” without indicting scores of Federal attorneys, US Attorneys, and other supporting staff who “must have” ignored all of this criminal activity for the past several years? Barr will have to indict half the Justice Department and about 50 top FBI supervisors, because this suspected “conspiracy” couldn’t be accomplished by just a few operatives inside and outside the Justice Dept/FBI, without the acquiescence and/or direct support of many others. It simple can’t be just a half dozen or dozen who perpetrated the Coup d’etat against a Presidential candidate, and now, sitting President?

    That’s why I don’t believe Barr can or will truly “clean house”. I think a couple of fall guys may plead out and do probation, but nothing that could seriously damage the Justice Department, FBI, or most importantly, the Democrat party will be done by AG Barr. I’m not saying that he’s dishonest, or not up to the job, but that he values the institution of Justice and the FBI to do what would be necessary, and that **could** lead to indictments up to former President Obama or his staff.

    NOT – GOING – TO – HAPPEN – IN – OUR – LIFETIMES.

    Ya wanna know how I know this, for certain? President Trump was dead set on releasing the “classified” data of which Sundance speaks, late last year, before the election (and certainly, in December immediately after). The coup was against him. People loyal to him (and America) like Gen Flynn have been DESTROYED by this coup. The President had every motivation from sheer duty to political opportunity, to release this stuff and prove the Marxist Democrats and their lying media forever wrong, but declined. Why would he do this? He’s protecting the institutions. He’s been convinced by those he trusts that releasing this information will harm not only (possibly) the “five eyes” Intel relationships, but the very institutions of Justice and the FBI. He didn’t do this. He won’t do this. If the President won’t, I can guarantee to you that his “hand picked AG” won’t either.

    So, prepare yourselves, folks. What Sundance is crying out for, what Mark Levin, DiGenevoa, and others are calling for, ain’t gonna happen. You may think that justice trumps the value of Justice, the FBI, and other institutions, but us “arm chair generals” don’t have the President’s responsibility or legacy to be concerned about. Those “indictments” of Obama’s people is not happening. Maybe Strzok, or McCabe, but Barr will limit the extent of the damage to preserve the institutions.

    NOT – GOING – TO – HAPPEN – IN – OUR – LIFETIMES.

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    • Kaiser Derden says:

      Barr is the 2nd most senior law enforcement official .. the most senior one can tell him what to do …

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    • jeans2nd says:

      Serious question – which would you rather have, all the perpetrators locked up, or the top DOJ/FBI bad guys locked up and restoration of proper law and trust in DOJ/FBI?
      Not being sarcastic, am truly curious. All the best.

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      • Deacon says:

        Please remember! This was an attempted coup dé tah which is Treason and Sedition! They either burn to the ground the totally corrupt Dept. of Injustice and the FIB and then salt the earth under where the buildings once were, or THERE WILL NOT BE ONE PERSON IN OUR COUNTRY TO EVER RESPECT OR BELIEVE IN THE TWO CORRUPT PIECES OF S&^% – UNLESS THEY ARE MORONS! We should be building gallows!

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        • Pyrthroes says:

          That’s “coup d’etat”, meaning a State takeover by actors either within or removed from a Government’s reigning clerisy. Outsiders typically use military means, insiders either subvert the extant Chief of State or replace him with a suitably charismatic Man on Horseback promising loaves-and-fishes to the multitude.

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        • The Hun Driver Widow says:

          I agree with your comments “totally!!” Thank you for stating the reality of what has to be.

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      • PS says:

        The only answer is ALL of the perpetrators locked up. When that happens, you can begin restoring proper trust in the DOJ. Without ALL of them locked up, there will always remain a stain that DOJ allowed *some* people to skate away, and that there are factions in the DOJ that would allow it to happen again. That is why the 2nd DOJ/FBI bad guys only will NOT result in restoration of low and trust.

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      • John-Y128 says:

        So if we have “all the perpetrators locked up”, we don’t get “restoration of proper law and trust in DOJ/FBI”, we only get the restoration with a lock up of just “the top DOJ/FBI bad guys” ???

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      • Austin Holdout says:

        If only one person could go to jail, I would pick Brennan.

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        • The Hun Driver Widow says:

          All the seditious traitors have to be locked up; not just Brennan, but all the MSM leakers and those who participated in the coup have to be locked up including those guilty in Congress, e.g., Adam Schitt.

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    • Lefty says:

      He didn’t declassify the info before because RR and Mueller told him they would use it to further their plan of building an obstruction case against hm. He has said as much in recent interviews.

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      • Maquis says:

        He may have well known they would call him out in that manner before he even issued the order. Either way, he surely put another data point on the Conspiracy map with that move.

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      • Burnt Toast says:

        RR and Mueller told him?

        Doesn’t make them White Hats, but then they told PDT the 50,000 ft view of the whole deep state op.

        Probably told him they know he wasn’t a RUSSIAN agent too.

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    • Dee Paul Deje says:

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    • smartyjones1 says:

      Yeah, somehow you missed the whole point of President Trump delaying the declass. This has been discussed pretty widely. Rod Rosenstein met with President Trump and “talked him out of it” last year. The reason was clear to everyone even if you weren’t in the conversation.

      If President Trump acted to declass, the coup plotters, DNC Media and the Dems would all scream he was “obstructing” the Mueller scam investigation. Even though it’s obvious he would be blowing the whistle, President Trump bided his time.

      That’s where we are now and it was reported on Fox News online President Trump saying he is going ahead with the declass. We don’t know which items Congress requested he will sign off on but it’s happening.

      What AG Bill Barr does with all this is an entirely different matter. Recall also, President Trump had said in a very low key way that maybe all of this (SpyGate) couldn’t come out as it would be very harmful to the country. I have no insight where he is today but it was a very revealing comment at the time. So, we really don’t know where this is going and how Bill Barr will decide what to act on, what to push ahead and how to keep the entire corrupt apparatus from imploding in the FBI, DOJ, NSA, CIA, Homeland Security, the State Department and the Obama WH.

      All of them are involved in some capacity and it’s truly the Big Ugly.

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      • Amy2 says:

        It’s harmful to the country either way. The president did say that he was leaving the AG to do his job, so that is where our hope must lie. (‘not saying I like that!)

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    • smartyjones1 says:

      Yeah, somehow you missed the whole point of President Trump delaying the declass. This has been discussed pretty widely. Rod Rosenstein met with President Trump and “talked him out of it” last year. The reason was clear to everyone even if you weren’t in the conversation.

      If President Trump acted to declass, the coup plotters, DNC Media and the Dems would all scream he was “obstructing” the Mueller scam investigation. Even though it’s obvious he would be blowing the whistle, President Trump bided his time.

      That’s where we are now and it was reported on Fox News online President Trump saying he is going ahead with the declass. We don’t know which items Congress requested he will sign off on but it’s happening.

      What AG Bill Barr does with all this is an entirely different matter. Recall also, President Trump had said in a very low key way that maybe all of this (SpyGate) couldn’t come out as it would be very harmful to the country. I have no insight where he is today but it was a very revealing comment at the time. So, we really don’t know where this is going and how Bill Barr will decide what to act on, what to push ahead and how to keep the entire corrupt apparatus from imploding in the FBI, DOJ, NSA, CIA, Homeland Security, the State Department and the Obama WH.

      All of them are involved in some capacity and it’s truly the Big Ugly.

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    • Perot Conservative says:

      Rosey and threats convinced the POTUS not to declassify or risk at least political damage, if not potential legal damage, for obstruction.

      I believe this is now removed.

      One could argue we are now undergoing The Great Awakening.

      – Mueller Report has to drop.
      – Nunes 8 criminal referrals. (He withheld them bc he calculated RR would do nothing.)
      – OIG FISA report due shortly, and possibly a 2nd report.

      Question: do we now know if Horowitz has all of the redactions declassified?

      DiGenova was spitting mad at Huber weeks ago, but in his recent article he says Huber has to bring indictments. Change of heart? New information?

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      • deqwik2 says:

        A lot of things about Huber have been misunderstood but looking back on things, Sessions said Huber was to work with Horowitz. Sessions letter was confusing at the time because so much was up in the air.
        I honestly don’t think Sessions saw the Big picture when he assigned Huber & was not in any hurry to rush a separate investigation.

        I don’t believe Huber was ever suppose to do any investigations on his own but he was there to help Horowitz do his job. (Huber has subpoena power that Horowitz doesn’t have).
        I believe this is why Huber has not interviewed any one & seems to be MIA.
        Huber was to recommend whether a SC was needed AFTER his review. If he’s working with Horowitz, then that review has not been completed yet.

        “Huber will conduct his investigation from outside Washington, D.C. and in cooperation with Inspector General Michael Horowitz,”

        Sessions letter to Congress:

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        • Perot Conservative says:

          DiGenova and Toesing said he hadn’t interviewed their Whisteblower client, or other key individuals.

          Liked by 4 people

          • deqwik2 says:

            The whole Huber thing is a mystery especially on the U1 investigation.
            Sessions letter said he ask Huber to lead senior prosecutors .. who are these prosecutors & what are they doing? Do they exist?

            Sara Carter wrote in Jan 2019:
            “Huber’s allegedly leading an investigation, I say, because numerous witnesses that should have been interviewed have never been interviewed. Allegedly is also the operative word because DOJ refuses to answer even the most simplest of questions regarding Huber and his investigation.

            I contacted the new DOJ spokesperson Kerri Kupek.
            Huber – his work continues,” said Kupec. “Decline to comment beyond that.”
            https://saraacarter.com/crickets-at-doj-probe-into-fbis-handling-of-trump-russia-remain-a-mystery/

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          • Jan says:

            It doesn’t mean that Horowitz hasn’t interviewed the whistleblower or many others that Huber hasn’t interviewed.

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            • SteveT says:

              Wouldn’t Mueller’s investigation have blocked access to witnesses for OIG/Huber?
              Now Mueller is finished, perhaps things have got moving? Although the cases he threw off to SDNY could still be holding things up.
              We’ll have to wait and see what is in the OIG’s report when it arrives.

              SteveT

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      • Richard Whitney says:

        1) Why isn’t there a call to have Mueller testify to Congress? That would settle a lot of questions. Ask the author. Of course, when Mueller would have to demur from answering certain questions because of ongoing grand jury proceedings, sealed indictments or classified information, the Ds would lose the ‘Trump is obstructing’ case for good. Further, Mueller may have some revelations that make Barr’s statements relatively friendly to the perps. Nevertheless, someone in Congress should be calling out for Mueller’s testimony.
        2) What does Nunes’ referrals actually mean in terms of prosecution? What is the actual threat? They are just suggestions, are they not? Wouldn’t it be lame of the OIG and Huber, after all this investigating, if Nunes had a referral that was a new instance of a crime?
        The OIG looks at the referrals and says, “Hey, we didn’t know that!” ? Is that even possible?

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        • josco scott says:

          I don’t think Nunes is sticking only to DOJ.
          And he’s got info the IG wouldn’t.
          Don’t freak out, folks. Enjoy it while it’s speeding up.

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    • concerned3 says:

      LIFETIMES you say – These people are willing to kill new born babies. Do you really, think they would have any problem with killing senior citizens?

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    • BL says:

      With all due respect sir, that sentence “Not going to happen in our lifetime” it seems has always followed President Trump around on just about everything he has ever wanted to do. The people who have stated a similar sentence wound up eating their words.

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    • simicharmed says:

      Although I have different aspirations of the matters, I truly enjoyed reading your thoughts and opinions. You have laid out many concepts and inspiring statements which generate discussion. I thank you for your critical thinking and opinion.

      You have covered many sub topics but there is one statement you made that is truly blaring but never properly addressed –

      “classified email on a private server” (and ignoring WHY she was using a private server in the first place)),”

      That question seems to be never asked nor addressed. It is actually the CRIME that is continually hidden in plain site by any media outlet that has ever discussed it.

      Like a driver arrested for being drunk but the dead body in his/her back seat remains a missing person….

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    • Six says:

      "May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't" –General George S. Patton— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 19, 2014

      https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

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    • Rynn69 says:

      IMHO, you are tragically wrong. It must happen. But then again, I can understand your skepticism. We are talking about the complete collapse of the government if justice is not taken. To do nothing foretells great destruction. The United States of America is not worth one man’s “legacy.”

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    • Charlie says:

      American people need to comprehend the severity of a lawless “government”, the lawlessness of the DS. It’s “only”, saying that with exhaustion, been 2 years and finally BO is being connected. Objectives to America’s survival, defeat the enemy within, restructure the media – the watchdogs, restore the rule of law and shrink the size of government.
      Every American should pay attention to their local/state government as the shiny object is being waved over here look what they are doing in your home town. Commies have turned their guns to local governments.

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    • Bo Long says:

      Releasing the FISA stuff before Mueller was done could have been spun as “obstruction of justice.” That’s why Trump had to wait.

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    • Orville R. Bacher says:

      @OldSaltUSNR
      Maybe you were sleeping under a tree while the President was hobbled by the Mueller “Investigation”.
      Let’s hope you are wrong. I think Trump’s long memory goes back to Obama trying to shame him at the annual Press Back-Slapping, Obama arse kissing session, many years ago.
      Yes. Revenge is best eaten cold.

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    • inspectorudy says:

      The reason why Trump did not declassify any documents last year was from advice from his legal team that it could be viewed as obstruction. Now that the Mueller report is done he will declassify any that will be necessary to prove sedition.

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    • Jacques Giroux says:

      The reason he declined is because the Mueller investigation was still going on and his lawyers advised him that he would accused of obstructing an investigation. Which brings us to AG Barr and shortly after his confirmationhe met with the SC and told him to get cracking with his report that came out about a week later. Now the shoe is on the other foot and that foot is gonna kick some democRATS in the rear end.

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    • schutzhund says:

      It is the “reputation of the institution” vs. the “integrity of the Constitution”…it happens every time,, the old boys club and their CYA

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    • josco scott says:

      Perhaps you’re right.

      If you are, then we will have still turned a corner — if not reached the destination.

      I don’t really understand

      a) how bitterly crying out that your fear porn is DEFINITELY going to come true is in any way useful or worthy, and therefore why so many do it
      and

      b) why taking out a mob family would take decades of very difficult work, but taking down the highest levels of the most powerful governments in the world should take two years

      POTUS is a man who cares about justice.

      And also – our president is not someone who let’s his enemies slide.
      I was horrified when I first heard this, but now? It’s comforting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd0AdArPjqU&t=19s

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  2. HickTick says:

    No way all these FISA judges didn’t know what they were doing , They all knew this was all directed at PDJT . They knew it was all political , they cant play dumb , they are caught .

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  3. ladychurchillusa says:

    The real question is why hasn’t the FISA court now knowing what was done and how the DOJ withheld information about the dossier and who produced it , have not cited the conspirators for contempt. Why is the FISA Court protecting the people that deliberately lied to it by omission?

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  4. Hmmm... says:

    If there are 3 failed FISAs then that seems like it would offer some confirmation that previous reporting about them was indeed correct (reporting that occurred at the time when whispers about FISAs were “proof” of wrong doing and not proof of spying). It’s funny how as this unwinds the over leaking when they were hyping it up exposed a lot of their moves.

    Anyways if that reporting is correct then the first failed FISA is from early June 2016 and includes Papadapolous. I also wonder if the Alfa Bank FISA is the one from Oct 15th. That was reportedly the date of a FISA which seems odd since the Page FISA was definitely the 21st.

    The big giant huge revelation to me is that they know. They know and they have known for a while and yet none of this has hit the press in any meaningful way. The Alfa bank FISA is a devastating bit of evidence since it was clearly pushed by the campaign and manufactured by a Clinton crony. It might come in handy to have a second example of exactly how the corrupt process worked. This is just one of many stories that we’ve known about or highly suspected for years (thanks Sundance!) but haven’t had any play in the media.

    My point is that it appears Team Trump has been stockpiling bombs. Big Bombs. Rooms full of bombs. Ready to deploy when needed as this thing unwinds so that the inevitable argument that this is a political targeting operation can be countered with massive doses of evidence.

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    • WSB says:

      And I wonder who Boasberg called that day. Collyer? Was Contreras on the job yet?

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    • Mary Morse says:

      According to the cited book excerpt the Alfa bank fisa request was made in early summer 2016.
      Some time ago I posted this comment: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/03/25/0950-doesnt-add-up-never-has-never-will-0950-the-fbi-lied-not-steele/comment-page-2/#comment-5196963
      And this: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/03/25/0950-doesnt-add-up-never-has-never-will-0950-the-fbi-lied-not-steele/comment-page-2/#comment-5197347
      According to the Circa article linked in the post, l jean camp and her concerned nerds intercepted the Alfa bank communications from May 1 until mid September 2016. They began looking at the servers because of their knowledge of the DNC hack according to Franklin Foer at Slate. News of the DNC hack wasn’t reported until June. How did l jean and her nerds know of the hack before may 1?

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      • Hmmm... says:

        I wish I had screen capped it but there was a discussion on reddit about this that was extremely interesting. I am not a techie so I can’t judge the veracity but the replies from those who seemed to be well versed supported the conclusion.

        Basically the logs that they used to show the communication had a tiny flaw that they overlooked. A tell tale signal that would indicate the Trump servers were responding in the way they described was missing (or something to that effect). Basically it was a very simple but easily overlooked error in regards to the syntax of the code but indicated to these folks in the thread that the logs were fabricated (and fairly conclusively too since there would be no possible other explanation for the error).

        Again, kills me that I didn’t screen cap as I would love to have others critique it. Looked for the thread later and never could find it and the story kind of died rather quickly anyways.

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          • Hmmm... says:

            Bingo. I saw discussions on reddit much less comprehensive but the syntax issues seem really likely to be the same. I’d guess this person was the one who made the thread on reddit that I saw. Seems odd that this hasn’t been addressed further. From an article in CNN march 2017:

            The bank told CNN it is now trying to identify the person or entity who disseminated this internet traffic. “We believe that DNS traffic in mainland Europe was deliberately captured – in a manner that is unethical and possibly illegal — in order to manufacture the deceit,” it said.
            Fear has now silenced several of the computer scientists who first analyzed the data.
            Tea Leaves refused to be interviewed by CNN and is now “hiding under a rock,” according to an intermediary contact.

            I’d have guessed the bank would have found and sued by now.

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      • Hmmm... says:

        To your point it doesn’t add up. I suppose it could be possible that some service exists somewhere that captures and logs data like this and they were able to retroactively access some data after June but I have no idea if that exists. I became convinced the logs were fabricated based on the info in my other comment but lost interest in this angle. Wasn’t there a lawsuit based on this? Seems like this should have all been fleshed out by now if so.

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    • Maquis says:

      You mean massive doses of ordinance, n’est-ce pas?

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  5. Bryan Alexander says:

    Here is a thought….. We know Admiral Mike Rogers went to Trump and warned him of the illegal unmaskings. This was during the transition.

    What if Judge Collyer, after the news broke on the Strozk-Page texts, and, KNOWING HOW BADLY THE FBI HAD BEEN ABUSING THE 702 UNMASKING PROCESS, carried a copy of the Carter Page FISA warrant to President Trump and showed him EXACTLY what the FBI was doing?

    Trump tells Collyer to continue to play along and tell the FBI NOTHING about their meeting. In fact, she delivers each successive FISA Warrant renewal to the President.

    That would explain why the FISA Judges, especially Collyer, are silent.

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    • jeans2nd says:

      How would Judge Colyer going to Pres Trump enforce the separation of the three branches of gubmint?
      What you suggest is not likely. imo

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      • Beau Geste. says:

        Not likely at all – zero possibility, you are correct.
        Collyer’s only proper response was to summon the DOJ, including the attorneys who duped her and the FISA Court, for a disciplinary hearing., and withdraw the fraudulently induced secret warrant.
        She apparently chose to remain silent, and permitted the fraudulently induced warrant to be extended 3 times.

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        • olderthanuthink says:

          Your timing here is off. The first FISA warrant was issued in Oct 2016; the second(first renewal) was in Jan 2017; the second renewal was in April 2017; the third (final) renewal was in June 2017. The warrant expired in Oct 2017…which was two months BEFORE the Stryok/Page texts were released in Dec. Judge Collyer couldn’t order a withdrawal of a FISA warrant that had already expired.

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    • Maquis says:

      Or, she’s complicit and/or cowardly.

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    • rayvandune says:

      There is a BIG difference between a military officer going out of a civilian chain of command to report illegal activity to his CiC, and a Federal Judge going to the President, outside of the Chain of Command that goes up to the Chief Justice of the SCOTUS! Remember, US military personnel are only obligated to follow LEGAL orders, and are expected to disobey any others!

      The real question is whether Collyer told Chief Justice Roberts, her boss, and whether HE did anything!

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    • jedled says:

      Trump spelled Collyer’s name Collier in a recent tweet. Tells me he probably does not have a significant connection to her.

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  6. TwoLaine says:

    Mary McCord, Acting Assistant Attorney General, 2016-17, interviewed on these subjects. She is dripping with TRUMP hatred, as are the interviewers.
    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/interview/mary-mccord

    Does it help any to get FISA’s when your husband works as a spokesman for the FISA courts?

    “McCord is married to Sheldon Snook, who also worked for the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia. In fact, it was McCord who got her husband his job as administrative assistant and court liaison to the public and news media by recommending him to Judge Hogan. Snook also served as spokesman for the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. He currently works in a similar capacity for the U.S. Supreme Court.”

    http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/acting-assistant-attorney-general-of-the-national-security-division-who-is-mary-mccord-170211?news=860075

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    • rayvandune says:

      “… He currently works in a similar capacity for the U.S. Supreme Court.”

      Oh, that raises some interesting questions about Roberts’ silence, doesn’t it?!

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    • WSB says:

      Great catch, TwoLaine. I just looked into Judge Hogan’s tenure at the FISC.

      It seems he was rotated out after two years. Collyer seems to have been on the court for awhile being appointed as presiding in 2016…conflicting info on her,p; however, Contreras may have been Hogan’s replacement on May 19, 2016.

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  7. Perot Conservative says:

    1. Can we definitively say Barr us a White Hat, a home run? (My God, if he ends the immigration travesty, I would kiss him!)

    2. So only moderately informed here, but who is most likely in the crosshairs?

    Brennan
    Clapper
    Comey
    Page
    Strzok
    Judge Contraras?
    Baker
    Dan Coats?
    McCabe
    Other FBI lawyers?
    CIA operatives?
    Former MI6 head?
    Bruce Ohr
    Nellie Ohr
    John Carlin
    Simpson
    Rice

    Good start?

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    • Perot Conservative says:

      I forgot Rosenstein!

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    • Zorro says:

      Comey
      Clapper
      Brennan
      McCabe
      Schiff

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    • Mr.G says:

      Great list-problem is none of them is going to jail-except MAYBE Brennan

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      • wightmanfarm says:

        I think McCabe and maybe Strzok & Brennen will serve minimal time. I think HRC will be disbarred (again), but no prison time. (Hasn’t the statute of limitations passed?) Schiff will be off of all committees to pay for his sin. There is some argument to be made that Clapper was duped. He’s not the sharpest bulb on the tree ???

        Comey might be slapped on wrist for lying under oath.

        The moral of these stories is that there are “rules” for “them” and real laws for “us” because “some are more equal than others”.

        The up-side is that I think Barr will let Manafort out for time served because of fruit from the poisoned tree.

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  8. sarasotosfan says:

    What we know is that the DOJ and FBI were in a rush to obtain the Page warrant before Admiral Rogers blew the whistle on what was going on. Rogers was a day late to reporting violations to the FISC. I don’t know whether Page was identified as a victim of abuse, but it may well be that others were so identified and resulted in those warrants being denied. I think it is unlikely the conspiracy to carry out the surveillance was going to all rest on the back of one warrant.

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  9. Hmmm... says:

    I posted a comment earlier that seems to have disappeared so here’s a second go of it. From a BBC article by Paul Wood (likely using Brennan or some Brennan associate as a source) and a mix of info from other sources we can get a fairly clear picture of the failed FISAs. This is the first time I’m aware of any official or semi-official confirmation of the other failed FISAs and it matches the numbers in earlier reporting.

    1st failed FISA (early June 2016). Broad in scope. 4 people in campaign. Presumably includes Flynn, Papadapolous, Page, and Manafort

    2nd failed FISA (July 2016). Also broad. Probably a rehash of the first but Pap left out and more details from Steele added.

    3rd failed FISA (Oct 2016) Alfa Bank angle.

    The reason Papadapolous was left out of further FISA apps is interesting to me and likely will be a critical element to exposing their motive.

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    • Hmmm... says:

      Compare those dates to the Steele memos and it becomes pretty obvious that the memos are tailored to get FISA’s approved. There is likely two way conversation going on between Fusion and the FBI (likely Stzrok via Brennan). Also, I’m guessing that Cohen is in the first failed FISA and not Flynn. I’d bet there is a separate FISA from 2015 on Flynn. Fits the pattern of finding something to charge him with so the FISA app can’t be revealed for now. Makes me appreciate all the more how clean Page must be since they must have been dying to charge him with something.

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    • lawton says:

      George Paps was the Dragon FISA imo.

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    • Hmmm... says:

      Rereading the sources I’m totally wrong. There was another source I was using and at some point I assumed that Paul Wood was right about the dates but wrong about the targets but it doesn’t add up.

      Paul Wood says 2 failed FISA apps for Alfa Bank (June, July) and a successful FISA Oct 15th.

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      • Hmmm... says:

        But…continuing the theme of placing charges on someone connected to a FISA they want to keep secret it is interesting to note Butina (the “Russian spy” charged with FARA) had an account at Alfa Bank. This was prominently featured in an article tying Butina to Alfa Bank and the NRA published by Buzzfeed.

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  10. montanamel says:

    Pay attention…. This says that “3 FISA warrants” were DENIED during the YEAR of 2016….
    2 of these could be totally unrelated….we have no firm info to “know” one way or another, at this time… it’s just part of the trail of crumbs… keep following.

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  11. rayvandune says:

    No intent to criticize, but I don’t understand why the revelation of THREE FISA Warrants connects to Collyer and the probability she told Contreras to recuse. Wasn’t there already a strong connection between Collyer’s NSA-searches abuse memo, the Strzok-Page “Rudy” texts, and Contreras’ recusal? What angle does the three-warrant claim add to this?

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  12. F. Kethum says:

    What did Hillary Order Obama to Order and When did he order it..?

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  13. ARW says:

    Trump first mentions Page and Papa March 21, 2016

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    • PS says:

      Correct.

      Page entered the Trump campaign through NY GOP Chairman Ed Cox. Page allegedly worked for McCain’s 2008 campaign, and was known to Lewandowski. It is quoted several times that Page’s name was passed on as a favor. Lewandowski later approves a trip to Russia for Page, which is said to have triggered Page’s name for “Russian collusion”.

      https://www.timesunion.com/7day-state/article/N-Y-GOP-s-Cox-introduced-Carter-Page-to-Trump-12553410.php

      “Carter Page previously worked with the Clinton Administration transition team in 1992-1993 while serving as a Research Fellow on the House Armed Services Committee (HASC) on Capitol Hill. During his Fellowship, HASC Chairman Les Aspin was selected by President Clinton as the Secretary of Defense in December 1992. From May 1993 – December 1994, Carter went on to serve as the Arms Control Action Officer for Counterproliferation Policy in the Nuclear Affairs and International Negotiations Branch of the Navy Staff in the Pentagon.”

      http://bgia.bard.edu/speakerseries/archive/?year=2008

      “Now, my memory has been refreshed, but to be clear, from what I understand and what I recall, that email was sent on June 19 of 2016, so about 18 months ago,” Lewandowski said on Fox News Tuesday night. “It also happened to be Father’s Day on a Sunday, and it also happened to be the day prior to me being terminated from the campaign.”

      https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/359357-lewandowski-memory-has-been-refreshed-on-carter-page-email-after-denying

      Again with June 2016, the month where Trump Jr is being set up in the Trump Hotel, Comey & Strozk are finishing the MidYear Exam cover-up, and we’re right into the start of Crossfire Hurricaine.

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  14. Max De says:

    The podcast was a good listen. I really like and respect Sekulow. One issue they failed to discuss is why they went to FISA court as opposed to going to a traditional court. Secrecy of course is a reason. The rubber stamp nature of the FISC is another reason. The pervasive nature and reach of the FISA warrant(s) they obtained is the main reason. The FISA warrant, a true spy warrant, allows them to tap the NSA database for current, future and past conversations of the target and these within 2 hops. Law enforcement cannot get this pervasive a warrant anywhere else the FISC.

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  15. ARW says:

    This is suspicious because of the timing*, June 14…Steele’s first report is dated June 20th.
    Perhaps the first FISA’s were based upon the stolen pre-Steele dossier and were denied. Then Steele creates his which reinforce the stolen oppo research.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-government-hackers-penetrated-dnc-stole-opposition-research-on-trump/2016/06/14/cf006cb4-316e-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9b5d98cbc51b

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  16. Newhere says:

    So, we’ve assumed General Flynn was “unmasked” — i.e., picked up in surveillance of a foreign target, and Illegally disclosed among the administration. But this would mean he was a FISA target, which would mean the FISA application submitted to obtain authorization to make General Flynn a specific target had to assert belief, based on “verified” evidence, that the General was an AGENT OF A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT ASSISTING IN THE COMMISSION OF A CRIME.

    !!!!!!!

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  17. fabrabbit says:

    Exactly what I thought when Contreras recused himself, that something dirty had gone on and he was wittingly or unwittingly part of it. Is it possible that Rosemary Collyer was one of the judges Boasberg called the day he was pulled in for an emergency warrant? Would love to know who from the DOJ brought the FISA warrant to the court.

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  18. konradwp1 says:

    Three failed FISA warrant applications before finally getting the illegal (violated Woods procedures) Page warrant approved reinforces my analysis that the Carter Page warrant was an act of desperation by conspirators driven mad with fear.

    Things first went off the rails when Admiral Mike Rogers discovers NSA database access being abused and shuts down contractor access on 18 April 2016. That should have been the moment for smart conspirators to cut their losses and run. But having invested so much in getting Nellie Ohr inserted into Fusion GPS and organising foreign lures to be sent against Trump people overseas to get them into meetings with Russians for Nellie to “discover”, the fools decided to play on.

    What began as a simple plan rapidly spiralled out of control, with the conspirators effectively trying to repair a compound fracture that had gone gangrenous, with band-aid after useless band-aid. This “Simpsons” episode neatly summarises the sequence of events:

    Only desperate people would have used Carter Page as a last resort for a FISA warrant. Only people who needed a FISA warrant at any cost. Yes, Page had Russian contacts, had travelled there and he had been worked into the “Steele” [Nellie/ Blumenthal] dossier, but the risks were huge:

    1. The Page warrant, like the three previous failed attempts, was yet again targeting the Trump campaign. Any review of applications around that time would have revealed (as the Strzok/Page texts do) that “judge shopping” was occurring. A strict FISA no-no.

    2. Page had been a paid FBI informant, operative and witness for the FBI even into 2016. This would have to be hidden from the FISC judge and any latter review of FBI payroll could reveal this, thus revealing exculpatory evidence had been withheld from the FISC.

    3. Use of the “Steele” dossier to obtain the Page warrant would be revealed by any cursory scrutiny to be a clear violation of Wood’s procedures. (Fun fact: Wood’s procedures were introduced during Mueller’s time as FBI director in response to FISA abuse. Mueller was obviously corrupt as he played on under the Carter Page warrant authority until the use of the “Steele” dossier became public knowledge.)

    4. Carter Page, like Manafort, had been injected into the Trump campaign to compromise it. In the FISA application, the FBI directly assert Page is a Russian asset at a time he was in their employ.

    Only people who knew “we’ll all hang from nooses” was true, would have tried something so desperate and dangerous. They gambled, and they lost. They just don’t know how much they have lost. But they will learn.

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    • jx says:

      I don’t think it was fear, but zeal. They were/are zealous conspirators who tried to overthrow an election.

      They fabricated “evidence”, they attempted to plant false evidence, they illegally searched government databases, they illegally surveilled people, they lied to courts, they planted false stories in mass media, they paid foreigners for fake “evidence”, they publicly made slanderous statements, they abused legal process to intimidate and ruin people.

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      • konradwp1 says:

        Zeal and arrogance to begin with, but then fear. Hideous mind destroying fear.

        Why else was Mary Jacoby (wife of Glen Simpson of Fusion GPS) rushing to the Whitehouse the day after the 18 April 2016 shutdown of contractor access to the NSA database?

        Why else would Strzok and Page be lamenting the loss of the “Patriot Act avenue” in their late April 2016 texts?

        Getting Hussain Obama officials to override the travel ban on Natalia Veselnitskaya, letting her into the country, and getting GCHQ to run surveillance for her failed Trump Tower visit? When the very same tactics had failed overseas, and Trump people were likely forewarned?

        The FBI seeking a FISA title 1 warrant against one of their own plants in the Trump Campaign using “evidence” they had helped create out of whole cloth?

        These were not planned acts. These were acts of desperation. Mindless acts.

        FEAR IS THE MIND KILLER.

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    • Jan says:

      And they forgot to tell the FISC that Carter Page was no longer working for the Trump campaign.

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  19. TANGO268 says:

    Every time the FBI or DOJ personnel sat down for a transcribed interview with Congress, they stipulated they would not identify anyone at the GS-15 level or below by name. In so doing, they never disclosed how central SA Pientka was to both MYE and CH. Let’s see the texts/emails between Strzok and Pientka.

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  20. itsy_bitsy says:

    The truly corrupt nature of the Obama Administration and it’s top law enforcement people should stagger the American people, and will certainly go down in history as a blatant attempted to overthrow of our Constitutional form of governance.

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  21. Lee Moore says:

    If you’ve already got a FISA warrant on Mike Flynn, you’re already going to be within two hops of anyone who’s anyone. Why would you need to cobble together a flaky application for another warrant on Carter Page, and rush it to the court one block ahead of Admiral Rogers’ cab ?

    Remember in late October 2016, Hillary’s going to win for sure. The toothpaste is still in the tube. What’s the Carter Page warrant for ?

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    • Max De says:

      That is an excellent question. It assumes existing FISAs on Flynn. Maybe the FISAs on Flynn were not as pergvasive as the one sought on PAge, meaning maybe the Flynn FISA did not allow a look back as far as did the Page warrant for one reason or another.

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    • Shadrach says:

      Good point. If they had Flynn under FISA, they wouldn’t need Page. Maybe one of the failed FISAs was a FISA renewal? Or more likely a FISA searching for a way to continue spying on PDJTrump if he won (August 2016 Strozk text message, “in the unlikely event”), which would make a FISA on Flynn politically untenable?

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    • Hmmm... says:

      The FISAs were being used as hooks for media stories. Media would not print dossier details or the Alfa bank story so they needed something to juice it up and convince them to run the stories. These were supposed to deploy in late October and put a nail in the Trump campaign’s coffin. There’s contingency planning but I cannot believe these guys created this elaborate Russian collusion plan beginning in early 2016 to not use for the election. Something got in the way… Anthony Weiner and his laptop full of Hillary emails.

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  22. Bill says:

    One little fun fact often overlooked and never discussed, EACH AND EVERY ONE of the FISA judges in question were hand picked and appointed by Chief Justice John Roberts, one individual without any oversight. It is past time for Roberts role in all this be thoroughly investigated.

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  23. Max De says:

    Maybe the FISA limited the look back period on the Flynn FISA warrant to a year or so and the Page FISA warrant allowed the FBI to go back a decade or more on communications on Page and those withing 2 hops of Page. Maybe that is why the FBI selected Page because he had been a US intelligence asset for such a long time prior to 2016.

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  24. Rex70 says:

    Judge Collyer, after realizing not only had she been hoodwinked but also the depth of what that hoodwinking enacted, could do nothing more than recuse a judge and write a scathing memo? Both are useful to some extent, but seem like massive under reactions considering the scope and targets of the approved FISA warrants, which would have been known to her. It seems like some greater reaction by her/the Cheif FISA Court Judge–and expecially once a Special Counsel was appointed–should have happened. Yes, she was clearly unhappy about the abuse of her Court, but her reaction at an appropriate time to that abuse is colossally underwhelming, seems terribly impotent.

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    • Curt says:

      Think about it. Cololyer knew that the evidence used to secure the FISA warrant was pure fabrication. The original application read like a cheap spy novel with ludicrous unverified accusations. The four FISA warrants were, none the less, granted. This whole Patriot Act thing has huge potential for abuse. We know for a fact that Contreras was a conflicted/prejudiced judge. I’m sorry but there just isn’t enough oversight on these judges and those applying for FISA warrants. In fact the abuse seen so far, the little that we just happen to know about, is criminal in nature and anti American in every respect. STOP THIS NOW!

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      • Why would Collyerknow how to react appropriately? Neither Collyer nor any of the other FISC judges never face scrutiny as none of their FISA rulings/opinions are never subject to any argument form the attorneys for the target at the FISC, the opinions/orders of the FISC judges like Collyer receive no appellate review or even academic review because they are secret. The point is Collyer along with the rest of the FISA court judges are a fucking joke, they just do not know, at least yet.

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    • Brent Hull says:

      Why would Collyer know how to react appropriately? Neither Collyer nor any of the other FISC judges never face scrutiny as none of their FISA rulings/opinions are never subject to any argument form the attorneys for the target at the FISC, the opinions/orders of the FISC judges like Collyer receive no appellate review or even academic review because they are secret. The point is Collyer along with the rest of the FISA court judges are a fucking joke, they just do not know, at least yet. Collyer is a fraud and a national embarrassment. Judge Collyer is a real judge like Barbi is a real person. The Less then Honorable Fraud Collyer’s legacy is right up there with Michael Avenatti. If it app falls apart Collyer will not like to see the horror that awaits.

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