NAFTA Watch – No “Agreement on Major Issues” After Three Days of Discussion Between Principals…

After three days of discussions between U.S Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer, Canadian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland and Mexican Economy Minister Ildefonso Guajardo they were not able to develop any consensus on the major issues within the North American Free Trade Agreement, NAFTA.

The likely outcome of the upcoming Mexican national election on July 1st brought the principals together for non-scheduled talks, as U.S. President Trump instructed Ambassador Lighthizer to explore whether the three nations could find common ground on the ‘big picture’ issues behind the largest schism.  The auto sector and rules of origin is the epicenter of the biggest difference between the U.S., Mexico and Canada.

The U.S. auto-sector NAFTA position is that North American content of vehicles made in NAFTA countries be increased to 85 percent from 62.5 percent.  The Canadian and Mexican position is for lower North American content.

Canada is not arguing for higher Canadian content.  Mexico is not arguing for higher Mexican content… Instead both Canada and Mexico are arguing for higher imported content (China and Asia).  Honestly, I cannot fathom why more people don’t see the inherent ridiculousness of NAFTA against the reality of Canada and Mexico arguing for more Chinese imports.

The reason Can/Mex are arguing for more imported material content is because both of their trade economies exploit the NAFTA loophole that allows European and Asian parts to be shipped into Can/Mex, assembled, and shipped into the U.S. market without duty.

It’s bizarre; yet this is the reality.

NAFTA is so completely flawed, it is against Canada and Mexico’s financial interest for them to agree to a North American trade agreement that is structured around North American trade.

When you ask a pro-NAFTA advocate why Canada and Mexico are arguing for less Canadian and Mexican manufacturing in their NAFTA position the advocate cannot answer with any intelligence…. because their pro-NAFTA entire premise is ridiculous, and based on structural falsehoods.  Very frustrating.

Depending on which ideological broadcast or print media you review, there is a massive disconnect in their projected framework of optimism that a deal can be reached. Canadian media are desperate to find hope that any deal can be reached. Mexican media is ambivalent; and U.S. media is mostly driven by the position of multinational corporations who demand the exploitative nature of NAFTA be retained.

My gut, and the ongoing deep reviews of nuance therein, still lean heavily toward the inability of any deal to be possible because the underlying dynamic is so structurally flawed. It is against U.S. interests to stay in NAFTA. It is against Mexico and Canada’s interests to exit NAFTA. There is a massive amount of media manipulation between those polar opposite positions.

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Princess Rainbow Sparkles continues selling the Canadian position based on ‘feelings’ and ’emotion’…

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194 Responses to NAFTA Watch – No “Agreement on Major Issues” After Three Days of Discussion Between Principals…

  1. progpoker says:

    NAFTA will fall apart after the Mexican elections, regardless. The wall will be 10 feet higher with a Mexican Hugo Chavez in office. Can a shooting war be far off??

    Liked by 20 people

    • mossback says:

      Shooting war? Mexico lost the last two………would lose this one as well……..might as well annex
      them after the gun smoke clears.

      Liked by 7 people

      • john lorenz says:

        we had the chance back in 1848 to. Didn’t. What makes it a better deal now?

        Liked by 1 person

        • boutis says:

          We don’t want Mexico. Didn’t in the nineteenth century nor in the twentieth. We absolutely do NOT want it now. They have to fix themselves.

          Liked by 16 people

          • H.R. says:

            👍👍
            They don’t fit into any sort of Republic.
            They will always be whining, “Everybody else got a bigger slice of cake,” whether or not it is true. So, they will always demand the whole cake and never stop whining ’til they get it.

            We can thank our forebears for saying. “No way, Jose.”

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            • snarkybeach says:

              Mexico will be like Puerto Rico, constantly complaining with a hand out (or thieving when your back is turned)

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          • Jedi9 says:

            Exactly! Who wants another headache known as a second California? No Thank You!

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      • Joshua2415 says:

        They will declare war, surrender inside of a month, and then demand (and probably get) 50 years worth of reconstruction funding from US taxpayers.

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      • NvMtnOldMan says:

        Moss–Why??? Adding another piece of garbage does not make sense to me.

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    • FL_GUY says:

      You wrote: Can a shooting war be far off??

      The USA and Mexico have a history of shooting wars. Every so often, the US would have to send troops to clean up Mexico (Does the Halls of Montezuma ring a bell?). Then things would be stable for a couple of decades until the next regime let things get out of hand and spill into the USA. The last time this was done, was about 100 years ago when Congress (obviously not the lefties in their today) sent the US Army after Pancho Villa on his home turf.

      It’s been my opinion that the good people of Mexico, and there are many, always appreciated the gringos coming in to get rid of the criminals that were exploiting them. Sadly, their criminals are exploiting and murdering them now in record numbers aided and abetted by a corrupt government, as in the past, but it’s unlikely the USA will save them this time because WE have a corrupt Congress. But, that’s just my interpretation.

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      • fleporeblog says:

        They truly are! It will only get worse.

        Mexico 🇲🇽 truly is a SHITHOLE for a country.

        Look at this data just from last year. Imagine what it will look like when the Marxist & his government take over! Look what the Marxist wants to do to reduce the number of murders!

        You & I but more importantly our Lion 🦁 knows this plan of appeasement will end badly for Mexicans!

        He will do everything in his power to protect us! The National Guard isn’t going anywhere anytime soon!

        theguardian.com/world/2017/dec…

        From the article linked above:

        Murder statistics reveal 2017 to be the deadliest year in Mexico’s history since records began in 1997 with 23,101 murder investigations opened in the year up to December, 2017.

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      • Bud Klatsch says:

        Send the ‘Magnificent Seven’ again!

        Liked by 2 people

      • LegacyDriver says:

        Yeah, I saw THE MAGNIFENCT SEVEN, too.

        Liked by 2 people

      • quintrillion says:

        Not only did NAFTA suck out American companies and jobs but also billions of US currency in remittances.to relatives. Now billions to Criminal Cartels in illegal drugs. Then they kept streaming unabated over our boarder bringing crime, anchor babies and living off the US taxpayers, driving down wages and taking our jobs here.

        END NAFTA NOW. Should have ended it 6 months ago.

        Liked by 12 people

      • mike says:

        PDJT should give Perot a Presidential citation or medal of freedom for that speech alone. In some ways, Perot’92 helped make DJT president.

        If there was doubt, and I did, that prediction publicly set the stake in the ground.

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    • The Demon Slick says:

      Wait until the socialism really gets going in Mexico. It’s going to be Venezuela Norte. We’re going to need a wall to keep out the tides of misery.

      Liked by 23 people

      • Steve Herman says:

        It’ll be status quo, maybe marginally better, as they nationalize industries and companies. But companies will have their “handwriting on wall” moment and return to the US or relo to some other low wage country.

        Liked by 5 people

        • G. Combs says:

          “…maybe marginally better….”

          What history have you been reading? MARXIST ALWAYS SCREW IT UP! The latest example is Venezuela.

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      • White Apple says:

        Where Mexico is heading is exactly where we would be heading had we elected Hillary Clinton President. Those still longing for Hillary Clinton do not have far to go ….just south of the border to old Mexico.

        Liked by 13 people

      • Bud Klatsch says:

        Or, Canada Sud!

        Liked by 2 people

    • nuthinmuffin says:

      you mean when the drug cartels take over the country directly? it’s possible…550 murders in tijuana since 01 01 18…that’s over 6 per day…can’t go on.

      Liked by 4 people

      • Janie M. says:

        nuthinmuffin, very sad that TJ has become such a cesspool. Back in the early 70’s when I was stationed at Camp Pendleton, our Friday or/and Saturday night ritual was to pile into 2 cars and drive to San Diego and walk across the border to the various nightclubs to drink and dance the night away (always felt safe sticking to the main drag). They had these Mexican psychedelic bands (w/strobe lights) which were outstanding. Only downside (being female) was passing the gauntlet of Mexican men lined up against the wall next to the women’s rest room… someone would always cop a feel of your butt.

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        • Even in the early 90s, be aware of your surroundings but it was still safe in TJ. Rumor had it that a family member had been killed accidentally in a drive by. After “discussions and examples” no more drive bys in San Diego any turf disputes handled up close and personal or else.

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    • Why do the western globalists want more content from China? Pollution is the answer.
      Pollution is the profit margin for the west in China. No unions, no EPA, no OSHA, no consumer complaints….all the things that are costs in the USA of doing business are absent in China.

      The globalist managers and shareholders want this to make an extra penny or two in the quarterly earnings.

      What is it that we buy from China and can only buy from China? Nothing.
      What is that we buy from Canada that comes from China? MORE THAN WE THINK….same for Mexico

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      • Nashville says:

        Two off the top of my head.
        Fractional horse power electric motors and
        Basically any type of nut bolt or screw.

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      • H.R. says:

        BINGO! Give that man a ceeegar!

        I retired from a life-long career in manufacturing and yes, U.S. labor costs are higher, but the U.S. has automated to the point that we can still be competitive with China were it not for OSHA, EPA, taxes, and other regulations including accounting, regulated hiring, and record-keeping.

        No, we should not ditch everything we’ve gained in safety, pollution, and wages. China is suffering heavily from pollution and no one, including the elites can escape it. A middle class is developing in spite of China’s efforts to minimize and control it, and they want better working conditions at better wages so they can afford to buy the cheap crap they make. China is under pressure from their workers to move up to parity with their U.S. counterparts.

        Costs are on the increase in China due to the need to improve conditions and wages for their citizens in order to avoid massive unrest, and certain issues like pollution have the sympathy of all Chinese, including the elites. People the world over don’t want to live in polluted hellholes once they start having a little extra money to do something about it.

        Meanwhile, President Trump’s team is cutting the overbearing regulatory burden on U.S. businesses. So many regulations are way, way beyond the line of sanity when it comes to diminishing returns. Things that are harmless in parts per thousand were dictated to be reduced to parts per million and then parts per billion. Reaching each new plateau of regulatory compliance required exponentially greater cost. But, those costs are now decreasing rapidly and making the U.S. more competitive.

        If President Trump can serve 8 years and retain his MAGA wolverines, it is conceivable that the U.S. can achieve cost parity with China, or close enough that Americans will not be faced with a huge price differential when choosing America versus foreign-made products.

        Mexico is hopeless. I hold out some hope for Canada. China will probably come out OK if their leaders settle for some good wins instead of world domination. President Trump is walking a tightrope, but if he makes it across, we win due to the inspired vision of our Founders.

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    • WSB says:

      FUBAR.

      Truly. Shut it down now so we do not keep wasting our time. Find three food companies to pick up the slack, receive the drawings and specs and just get to work.

      Liked by 3 people

    • john70 says:

      If Mexico goes the way of Venezuela, I wonder what would happen to the US when 20 million starving Mexicans invade?

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    • Mike13 says:

      Lets not forget – everything in the end is political. Trump is talking about April 14th and 15th at Pan-American conference as the settlement date for NAFTA – but could he pull out of NAFTA as China tariffs just heat up?

      My feeling is that he picks on trade with China while compromising with North and South American nations. It’s tough to imagine taking on both tasks, but Trump is not predictable. Then again, 60-70% of americans don’t have IRAs or own stock, so market turmoil – barring recession – doesn’t really affect them – in fact may make Trump more popular to the base.

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  2. The Boss says:

    Words can’t describe how shocked I am to hear of this.
    Why? Because I am not shocked in the least.
    Pull the plug on NAFTA!

    Liked by 25 people

  3. stephenreed says:

    Kill NAFTA and bring back those manufacturing jobs.

    Liked by 19 people

    • fleporeblog says:

      Listening to the first interview above, the reporter states at the end that the longer their is uncertainty with NAFTA, the more likely companies are going to open up businesses in the USA 🇺🇸 instead of Canada 🇨🇦!

      Well sweetheart, our President and his Killers know exactly that!

      Liked by 39 people

      • piper567 says:

        fle, that’s an interesting little factoid.
        Where are we on the other detail of Trump needing to notify Congress of withdrawal…was it 6 months?

        Liked by 5 people

        • fleporeblog says:

          Yes as soon as he signs the EO, the 6 month clock starts.

          Liked by 1 person

        • H.R. says:

          Congress is out of the loop. President Trump only needs to notify Canada and Mexico that the deal is off and the 6-month clock starts ticking.

          Congress will find out about it through the grapevine, i.e. the D.C. street prostitutes will tell them about it as they are picking up their cash off the dresser and walking out of the hotel room. How else do you think our Congress Creeps keep up with the news? Do you actually think they watch cnn, fer cryin’ out loud?!?
          😁

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      • All that they are negotiating is for China! Not even for the best interest of their countries! What a disgrace! And our politicians and big donors, wall street banks are all connected to china and working against POTUS! Shameful!

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  4. MaineCoon says:

    It’s broken. Don’t try to patch or fix it. Exit. Renegotiate bi-laterally, POTUS, as discussed.

    Liked by 27 people

  5. Dennis Leonard says:

    Give the end notice on NAFTA now.

    Liked by 13 people

  6. Roger Duroid says:

    Can PDJT witndraw us from this by exec order or does the swamp CONgress have to approve? You know they never will. I hope he can find a way to kill it without their help.

    Liked by 4 people

    • Maquis says:

      He can.

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    • Jedi9 says:

      The president has the authority on withdrawing from NAFTA! Congress can act, but that would be suicide for the Republican base should Trump decide to expose their duplicity regarding who they are in bed with vs. their so called loyalty to the American people.

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  7. FofBW says:

    PT is dragging these negotiations out for what ever good reason he has.

    It will come to light eventually like everything else PT does.

    Liked by 21 people

    • Mark McQueen says:

      He’s stated the goal. I don’t think he’s dragging it out. He’s giving the parties every chance to come to an agreement. WE are the 2nd largest consumer market in the world. They have a choice and it will be theirs to make.

      Liked by 7 people

    • magacombover says:

      It will be additional leverage against China if they try to dump treasury debt.

      Liked by 5 people

      • Deplorable_Infidel says:

        “if they try to dump treasury debt.”

        Somewhere in the last 24-48 hours (probably here, maybe Mr. Bongino) I heard that can backfire if we start issuing bonds with a higher yield – no one will want the lower yield ones held by China (due to the artificially low interest rates the past decade).

        Liked by 5 people

        • Tom H says:

          It’s not that no one will want them. It’s just that China will have to sell them at a discount…to make up the difference between the old low yield and the new, higher yield ones. Thus China will likely be selling them for less than they paid…i.e. losing $ on the transaction. Of course, offering higher yield Bonds is costly to the U.S. I will be happy to buy them.

          Liked by 4 people

        • Roger Duroid says:

          They will still be able to sell, just at some discount to face value so yield on new price equals prevaling rates. Happens every day in bond market.

          Liked by 2 people

          • David A says:

            And unfortunately with US debt so insanely high, any substantial raise will be almost impossible to service.

            The world is in a co- dependent relationship with great debt globally. For Trump to balance on this tight rope will require genius.

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    • jonhabart says:

      I think that President Trump would be happy to have NAFTA terminated, but if he can make it look like other parties were the catalyst or cause that would be even better.

      Liked by 13 people

      • Jedi9 says:

        Yes I agree! I am in the camp that everything is about timing and substance. The substance part is when it will be spelled out in laymen terms what the nations can not agree on, and the timing part will be calculated for maximum effect. Maybe after the elections in Mexico perhaps?

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    • PS says:

      Trump follows this pattern: make a big statement on Twitter on some obscure issue, Resistance / mass media freaks out what a bad idea Trump had, Streisand-effect draws attention to said issue, public attention is drawn to the ridiculousness, public agrees with Trump, Trump fixed what he said he was going to fix.

      If Trump dumped us out of NAFTA on day one, the public would be confused. This dragging on raises awareness of how unbalanced NAFTA has become.

      Liked by 15 people

  8. k4jjj says:

    It’s the “China Import Loophole Agreement.” Why would the USA want to renew that?

    Liked by 4 people

  9. Sylvia Avery says:

    “They stabbed it with their steely knives but they just can’t kill the beast.”

    Some days I feel a little pessimistic, but my money remains on PDJT. He will give it the knock out punch when the time is right.

    Liked by 24 people

    • FL_GUY says:

      I believe that President Trump has always viewed NAFTA as something that needed to go. However, because it’s been in place so long, he wants to give the appearance that he did EVERYTHING possible and offered EVERY opportunity for Mexico and Canada to do the right thing. When he pulls the plug, it’s going to be owned by Mexico and Canada. JMHO

      Liked by 32 people

      • Orville R. Bacher says:

        Go to Canada. Not 1 Canadian in 1000 knows “Made in Canada” can be from Chinese parts. And all, 100% of Canadian Media is “Bad Trump”.

        Just a much dirty money influencing the message in Canada as in the USA.

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    • deplorabledaveinsocal says:

      Our president does not have to knock it out… All he has to do is point to it, shine some light on the issues, and then it will wither and die on its own…

      Liked by 7 people

    • waltherppk says:

      Welcome to the Hotel Mexifornia you got that right. Demolish the building. If you can’t leave it, then make it leave you.

      Liked by 3 people

    • LafnH2O says:

      How apropos, Sylvia!

      “Our Last BEST Hope” comes to mind.

      War is Hell!!
      Like You, Sylvia, and the ALL the Deplorables in this Great Nation, I’m stickin’ with
      President Donald J. Trump!

      🇺🇸🇺🇸MAGA🇺🇸🇺🇸
      . ON!

      Liked by 15 people

    • BobBoxBody says:

      Death by a thousand cuts. That’s Trump’s strategy. Nobody was noticing what was happening with the FISA abuse until it had avalanched out of control already. Trump is guiding all these seemingly smaller and disparate issues until they all snowball into one giant trainwreck that the Uniparty and media is going to be unable to manage.

      There was a story I heard once about Miyamoto Musashi arranging to have a duel with a famous swordsman. The guy was eager to fight the guy but Musashi didn’t show at the appointed time. Eventually a slovenly Musashi showed up to the duel reeking of alcohol, and the swordsman, disgusted with this display didn’t take the fight seriously and toyed with Musashi and insulted him in front of their audience.

      Only Musashi wasn’t drunk. He was putting on an act and the moment the guy gave him a clear opening he lashed out and cut the man down in one stroke. Trump has said he’s read Sun Tzu. Considering how much Trump talks about winning, I wouldn’t doubt he’s read Musashi, either.

      Everyone keeps underestimating Trump. And they keep being surprised when he springs out and cuts his opponents down effortlessly.

      Liked by 21 people

      • k4jjj says:

        Yes, that story of Miyamoto Musashi (and those of many other great historical strategists) is found in the magnificent “The 33 Strategies of War,” by Robert Greene. I wore out my paperback version and then bought a hardbound one.

        I consider this one of the greatest books of strategy ever written. It is an astonishing book. Sun-tzu is only one of the many quoted in this book. Hannibal, Napoleon, Julius Caesar, Ulysses S. Grant, Shaka Zulu, Alexander the Great, King Louis XI, Czar Alexander I of Russia, Vo Nguyen Giap, Ghengis Khan, Alfred Hitchcock, Metternich, Cortez, Scipio Africanus, Robert the Bruce, Stonewall Jackson and T.E. Lawrence (of Arabia) and many others are all there in great detail.

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      • WSB says:

        Overwhelm the system of Alinskyites trying to overwhelm the system.

        SunTzu.

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    • quintrillion says:

      One of the all-time greatest songs…by the Eagles…Hotel California.

      Liked by 4 people

  10. fleporeblog says:

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/mexico/51_favor_using_nafta_to_stop_illegal_drugs_immigrants_from_mexico

    From the article linked above:

    51% Favor Using NAFTA To Stop Illegal Drugs, Immigrants from Mexico

    Voters here are strongly critical of Mexico’s efforts to keep illegal drugs and illegal immigrants out of the United States, and just over half agree with President Trump that NAFTA is a good weapon to use to make our southern neighbor clean up its act.

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  11. Deplorable_Infidel says:

    “U.S. President Trump instructed Ambassador Lighthizer to explore whether the three nations could find common ground on the ‘big picture’ issues behind the largest schism.”

    This does not really surprise me. President Trump probably expected the same. However, it was his duty to explore negotiations. Now that he has done so to no avail (for the benefit of U.S. citizens), he now has the reason he needs to exit NAFTA. He can say that he tried.

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  12. VeritasVincit says:

    I agree with all of the responses about NAFTA negotiations so far. NAFTA is dead, bury it. This next comment is only slightly off subject, since both Can/Mex seem to want to force US to give benefits to China that we have already denied them. The comment is this about a trade war: POTUS Trump didn’t start and isn’t starting a trade war. China did that decades ago. We have just begun to defend ourselves against our enemy, the aggressor, Communist China

    Liked by 19 people

    • waltherppk says:

      Dig a hole and bury NAFTA with DACA in the same hole.

      Liked by 12 people

      • Deplorable_Infidel says:

        Sylvia has a shovel

        Liked by 7 people

        • Cuppa Covfefe says:

          If I had a shovel,
          I’d shovel in the morning,
          I’d shovel in the evening,
          All over this land

          I’d shovel ‘bout DACA
          I’d shovel ‘bout NAFTA,
          I’d shovel ‘bout deals between the globies and libbies,
          All-all, all over this land

          Whoo-ooh-ooh-ooh (clank)
          Whoo-ooh-ooh-ohh (dig)
          🙂

          Liked by 4 people

          • Janie M. says:

            Cuppa Covfefe, I know these aren’t his lyrics but Trini Lopez came to mind. Thanks for the memories.

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            • Cuppa Covfefe says:

              Yep, the original “hammer” song was by Pete Seeger, immortalized by Peter, Paul, and Mary.

              Those were the days…

              (though they were libs, it was a good tune, just like Puff the Magic Dragon – enjoy the tunes, ignore the lyrics, I guess)…

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              • Janie M. says:

                I loved Peter, Paul and Mary… besides Puff the Magic Dragon, Stewball was another one of their great songs (have to admit though… never understood the meaning/basis of it).

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    • Jedi9 says:

      That is very well stated, and it needs to be repeated several times to remind people who are on the other side of the argument what this actually means. It is simple enough but truthful that makes it powerful to utter!

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  13. waltherppk says:

    Mexico is still saying they aren’t going to pay for the wall, huh, Well that tears it, no more NAFTA.

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    • Roger Duroid says:

      I suspect they will live to regret ever saying that. Post Nafta, it will be like The Omega Man during darkness.

      Liked by 1 person

    • WSB says:

      Mexico has already paid for the wall with the reduced amount of traffic across the border. They will complete the payments once the troops are installed along the border.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Lindenlee says:

      Mexicans have a thing about ‘Mexican pride”, but it usually bear no relationship to what they have done to EARN IT. They just Sant to HAVE IT. Pena Nietos statements about “Mexican dignity and respect” have to do with a ‘hood, gang-style “don’t you diss me”, all the while tolerating and even demanding despect, without displaying any trustworthy behavior or respectibility.

      Sound and fury….

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  14. Kate says:

    From everything that I have read regarding NAFTA, the only people and countries it has helped are others and not our own, our so called globalist in this country did make a killing but they are only the 01% of our population, get rid of this mess.

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  15. Turranos says:

    I can’t wait for NAFTA to die. Stick a fork in it NOW!

    Liked by 4 people

  16. HeroicDreamer says:

    Except for the substantive analysis here by Sundance, I never read analysis of the China loophole in NAFTA. It’s not really difficult to explain nor to understand but our MSM is working overtime to keep We, the People in a state of ignorance or numbness, or both.

    So, thank you, Sundance, for your analysis. I would love to know what Mexico would agree to bilaterally with the US as well as same for Canada. I guess I will find out soon enough when NAFTA disappears and new bilateral negotiations get started. I just wish our press would do their job and ask good questions every so often.

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    • GB Bari says:

      I’ll underscore your comment. Not only can one NOT find a clear explanation of the interrelationships between TPP, NAFTA, and the loophole that exposes the US to Asian cheap imported materials via Canada and Mexico, what is out there is difficult to understand, I think deliberately so.

      Sundance’s explanation – the several articles that build the case to exit NAFTA up to today – should be required reading for every citizen, every voter and certainly for every political pundit who claims they are independent and unbiased.

      This is worthy of another video presentation such as the ones Sundance created on the FISA abuse scandal.

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    • trump2016ourlastchance says:

      Our “press” is owned by the globalist cabal.

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  17. usayes says:

    As most of you know, I should change my name to “RulesofOrigin” as this concept is what will be the death knell for NAFTA. I’ve said this for many, many months. It also helps to understand the maquiladora program as the true backdoor for Chinese and other non-NAFTA signatory goods entering the USA. Thousands of companies line the southern border where most of the TV, auto, electronic items are assembled from foreign parts and shipped into the USA. Check out http://www.tecma.com – an interesting example and you’ll be “woke” if you haven’t been already about the maquilas. Trillions at stake –quite a few of those are wrapped up in the maquilas.

    Tomatoes from Mexico are a huge export to the U.S. You don’t need a maquila for tomatoes 😉
    All you need is a balanced bilateral between Mexico and the USA. VSGPDJT will get us there. Soon.

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    • dutzie60 says:

      usayes, WOW, I thought I was Woke and understood what the Sundance refrain of “there are trillions at stake” meant, but, WOW just WOW that tecma website just blew my mind!!!
      Everyone, yes Everyone needs to just take a quick peruse of that site to make sure you are Wide A Woke!!!

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    • GB Bari says:

      That website is a must-read. No wonder US former manufacturing workers are on unemployment and welfare. All the modern investment went south to evade US laws. Americans were royally F—ked by the multinationals. Someone needs to pull all the stats and the company names that the TECMA website uses in boasting about its growth and impending future investment. And put all that in an easy to read blockbusting article or video to distribute to US voters. Mind blowing.

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      • usayes says:

        That site is just an example – There are literally hundreds of U.S. companies that are invested along the border in Mexico – many household names. And to be fair to these companies, if you’re in business to make a profit, why not take advantage of a treaty (NAFTA) that allows you to maximize your profit? Certainly that’s the view of the CoC and most globalists.

        The problem now (in my view) is that these companies have become so entrenched and the production of these items so intertwined with so many potential countries of origin (think of an automobile), how do you exit Mexico and return to the USA without losing lots of $$$$ and your investment? And some of these companies have been there for decades. To quote our VSG SD, “trillions at stake.” And to quote VSGPDJT “Complicated Business, folks, complicated business.”

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    • Roger Duroid says:

      38 years ago, I went to help solve a problem in our assy plant in Nogales, down in Mex across border from some town south of Tucson. This place did sub assemblies that went in radios for USAF aircraft. Lower cost assembly to escape the union workforce in Iowa. Company only did final assy and test in US to keep USAF happy with product being made in US.

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    • redridge45 says:

      Those tomatoes are horrible. Avocados too. It’s ridiculous.

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      • Rhoda R says:

        Not only that, but I’ve read that the produce growing regions are under the control of the cartels and the farmers are little more than slave laborers. I’m boycotting Mexican produce for a number of reasons.

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    • Paco Loco says:

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maquiladora

      Chinese imports have reduced the number of Maquiladoras. In the mid-90’s, before the raise of everything Made in China, US companies in the exclusion zone inside the Mexican border, had thousands of factories assembling products with American parts using cheap Mexican labor. That was the sucking sound that Perot was talking about that killed US manufacturing jobs.

      The Chinese manufacturing boom in 2000 and their cheaper labor (than Mexican), undermined the Maqiladora program. US trade policy of not imposing tariffs on Chinese goods stimulated the “off shoring” of manufacturing by US companies like Apple to Made in China. NAFTA was really all about exploitation of cheap Mexican labor to lower the cost of production by US manufactures so they could compete with Japan and Korea.

      China becoming the “worlds factory” and the country with the lowest cost production, changed everything as US corporations couldn’t compete even with Maquiladora manufacturing and the number of Maquiladora’s has shrunk to a couple of thousand. Mexico really isn’t the bad guy in NAFTA, it’s China.

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      • usayes says:

        Respectfully, I can assure you that the maquila industry is still thriving (over 3 thousand) after a relatively short turndown in the early 2000’s. Big names with very large investments still involved. Labor cost not really much of an issue for most integrated global industries. Proximity to the US border (reduced freight/shipping) and easy access to USA markets remain a huge draw. Try driving to San Antonio from Laredo on I-35 and count the 18 wheelers. All those trucks are not bringing in Mexican tomatoes — they are bringing in “NAFTA qualified” goods that are made from parts from all over the world – not just China – albeit China is the major participant. As PDJT has said repeatedly, the problem is the NAFTA agreement itself and the provisions that permit a backdoor for non-signatories to get their products into the USA duty free. IMHO, that backdoor is the “bad guy.”

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  18. joshua says:



    WELL….”we will have to see where it GOES..”

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  19. rashomon says:

    Nightmares of Ross Perot’s forecast. Giant sucking sound for the benefit of those were positioned and invested correctly to benefit from the collapse of U.S. manufacturing base and union demands.

    There’s a new sheriff in town. Them those days are done. Breathe in deeply. Exhale.

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    • waltherppk says:

      Most of The People opposed NAFTA from the jump but The People got NAFTA anyway because the BAD FAITH of “government leadership” of the republic had for way too long been going down that wrong road where it never RESPECTED what The People wanted. What was wanted by The People did not matter to a COCKEYED and CROOKED government that had long ago sold out The People so the pockets of CRIMINAL RACKETEERING SCUM could be filled with the proceeds of that sellout that TRAITORS see being “business as usual”. NAFTA was a “fast tracked” screwing of the American People by Wall Street. American Industry and American Workers were sacrificed on the altar of Wall Street Greed and the knife through the heart was delivered by the crooked politicians that were BOUGHT, PAID FOR, AND OWNED by Wall Street and Globalists.
      Every POS and SOB who had any part in that treason that is NAFTA should be hanged.

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    • guru1966 says:

      The next “giant sucking sound” will be the sound of NAFTA’s final dying gasp.

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  20. Doc Moore says:

    Arguing to increase Asian content, when we have a huge trade deficit that WILL BE overcome, is somewhat suicidal, given that Trump will just opt the US out of NAFTA completely before allowing that. It is not clear just what the Mexicans and Canadians believe they offer in return. Cheap labor in Mexico, stupid labor in Canada…why do we tolerate these fools? Cut em loose. Watch them beg.

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  21. Michael says:

    If I am following this correctly MX and du Canada are fighting to continue repackaging and pass thru Chinese made goods to the USA for what amounts to a small handling charge instead of actually building stuff and employing their own people?

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    • Irons says:

      Pretty self destructive, ain’t it?

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    • noritadek says:

      Michael, I think you are right in your thinking. I can’t believe it myself, but, then again, why they want to change something that is profitable for them without putting to much effort? They don’t care if they are continue screwing the USA. I think they didn’t really realize that we have a new President now that will fight all the traitors in Congress to protect our Nation. We need to vote everybody that is pro Trump in November and get rid of all the scam in DC

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      • GB Bari says:

        Agreed. Canada and Mexico are probably counting on massive lobbying by the USCOC. and the big globalists to politically pressure Trump out of wanting or being able to move forward on dumping NAFTA. I hope they are wrong.

        And Where are the Democrats on this? They seem to be hiding in the tall grass from trade policies that will improve manufacturing and Main Street economies.

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        • piper567 says:

          If Trump pulls out of NAFTA, it will just be the latest action Pelosi can label Armageddon.
          I view this option, which I certainly hope is taken, as just another step on Trump’s path to do right by our Country.
          I really don’t give a rip ab all the howling that will ensue.
          Such howling will all come from a bunch of harpies and pundits who call every threat to their dominance the end of the world as we know it.
          They don’t get it that the end of the world as we know it the goal.

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      • Michael says:

        They make a small margin on the pass through and employ few of their citizens.
        Why not build and create many jobs and a larger tax base?
        From China’s perspective they have a huge market to tap into (and control) and from that crapweasel at the USCOC it is unadulterated greed and power lust.

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      • Rhoda R says:

        They aren’t only screwing the US, they are screwing their own people as well.

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    • Tom H says:

      Yes, basically money laundering.

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    • svenwg says:

      In a nutshell, yes!

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  22. Li'l D in the Big D says:

    Being forced to watch and listen to Princess Rainbow Sparkles would violate the 8th A for being cruel and unusual punishment. Gosh, it really is painful to watch her. Please forgive me Father.

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  23. davidb says:

    I read somewhere (maybe here) a while ago that there is a time table for this re negotiating of NAFTA, and when that is up, the we give them a 6 month notice to end the treaty. I think its getting close to that time…possibly May?, to end negotiations.

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    • waltherppk says:

      NAFTA needs to be 100% shoved back down the throats of the Wall Street and globalist agents for shithole countries, slavers, and wage slavers that conceived it with not just a “No” to what it is, but a “Hell No” to what it is. It NEVER was any benefit to the rank and file American People who have been royally screwed by it, just like was always intended.

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      • piper567 says:

        walther, preach it, brother!

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      • G. Combs says:

        walther,
        in 1972, I, on minimum wage and my ex-husband as a newly minted 2nd LT in the Army could have saved enough money in 7 years to buy a 3 bedroom ranch house ($12,000) BUT inflation happenned. I am now retired and STILL paying a ^*&%^ Mortgage — Can you say free range slavery?

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        • Deplorable_Infidel says:

          “BUT inflation happenned.”

          Yes, I remember the days, even though I was 13. That spelled the beginning of the end of a father working outside the home and the mother doing “domestic engineering” duties of running a household and taking care of children, instilling the PARENT”S values into them, etc. Energy prices skyrocketing after the Arab Oil embargo in 1974 and the rise of the OPEC cartel, etc. Things never were the same. Nowadays being a stay at home is frowned upon, but successfully running a home with small children is more usually challenging than putting in 9 to 5 for someone else.

          1Timothy 5:14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.

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    • MVW says:

      Other than China tariffs which is engaged right now the major issues are in delay mode. The question in my mind is whether the delay is post 2018 election or to wait until the indictments of Obuma thugs are rolled out.

      NAFTA end
      No Federal law enforcement on ‘sanctuary city / state
      Wall funding, expediting construction

      Is Trump team pursuing ‘don’t rock the 2018 election boat’ or is the intent to make ‘Lock Her and (her crooks) Up’ front page?

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    • cdr164bn says:

      Remember the President gave the Dems a deadline to get something together on DACA. They came up with Nada so he put the kibosh on it. I believe six months from about now is just in front of the midterms. Sounds about right. That will put pressure on Can/Mex to do something or it goes bye bye.

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  24. littleanniesfannie says:

    I guess to a Globalist, China and the other Asian countries are part of North America. Sort of reminds me of how people who don’t work feel like my pocketbook is part of their financial world.
    NAFTA never should have started so it may as well die a slow, painful death now. The damage to many American workers was done 20 years ago and some areas of our great country may never recover. Thanks WJC for starting this fiasco. Thanks BHO for making the globalism crap a part of our world. Thanks GWB for doing nothing about either. OK PDJT, you can MAGA. We need that!

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  25. littleanniesfannie says:

    When the Southern Wall is finished, we need to start the northern one!

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    • waltherppk says:

      Wall off California and make everybody leaving go through a customs checkpoint with proof of legal status……just like they were coming from Mexico since they pretty much are.

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  26. emet says:

    Mexico
    No NAFTA
    No Remittances
    Cartel profits down
    Increasing crime, law and order tenuous
    More corruption, less feeding teats
    =
    Collapse of Mexico

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    • Deplorable_Infidel says:

      Then start over from scratch, with no neocon or “exporting democracy” ideas.

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      • pyromancer76 says:

        The ideas of the American Revolution are always good ideas, available for import to anyone who wants them. No one could do better than to conserve American classical liberalism, the best of Western Civilization, and keep it available for export — but not for warfare unless threatened and not for empire.

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        • Deplorable_Infidel says:

          “available for import to anyone who wants them”

          Agreed. One of the problems that Christian evangelists have created was to try and “westernize” the people and the cultures that they have brought the gospel of grace to. Instead, of allowing the word of God to work in and transform the people and let the people change their own culture, instead of conforming to someone else’s.

          1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

          1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

          Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

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          • David A says:

            Exporting ” democracy” is code for exporting revolution. Ask the Middle East after Obama’ s efforts. Democracy sans individual liberty is ” two wolf’s and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.”

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  27. MAGA is a good saying but it may be losing some of its pizzazz.

    I’m going to start ending all my correspondence with: AMERICA 1ST

    Maybe it will catch on.

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  28. pyromancer76 says:

    Cooperation on trade for those in the Western Hemisphere is a pretty good thing, so long as the cooperation has something positive for everyone — something like fair trade. As we all know, NAFTA is only bad for the U.S. — put in place by old Bill, with lots of help before that. Americans did not want it in the first place. We were had by the globalists.

    Thank goodness Sundance helps us Treepers keep up with the details. I am glad that President Trump is taking the time to negotiate and talk, talk, talk. The process is respectful. Some who are intelligent in both Canada and Mexico might learn something important. Then, when the U.S. must withdraw because it was a “stupid” treaty in then first place, everyone will be all talked out. No more persuasion possible. Each country must do what is in that county’s best interest to do.

    Sundance emphasizes the disgusting realities that the U.S. has been swallowing, without a peep: “Canada is not arguing for higher Canadian content. Mexico is not arguing for higher Mexican content… Instead both Canada and Mexico are arguing for higher imported content (China and Asia).” Are all countries agents for China? What is China paying them? What is China holding over their heads. Well, no more.

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  29. frank field says:

    Beloved Sundance: In response to your last sentence, I can’t either.

    Love you. Love your earnest desire to MAGA. Love your excellent research and writing skill.

    DRAIN IT

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  30. Meatzilla says:

    NAFTA’s always been poison to America, Americans, and American workers. Since Day One.

    Liked by 8 people

    • hellinahandbasket says:

      We should have taken possession of Mexico, and completely changed the demographic when we had the chance. Can you imagine the climate of Central America – if it fell to White-European rule? Would have been a T R U E instance of “Making America Great”.

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      • waltherppk says:

        There has already been one war with Mexico and bandits crossing the border from Mexico was one of the causes. The thing different when there was a war with Mexico the *first* time is Americans had enough of the crap from Mexico *then* and forcibly put a stop to it.
        People who don’t learn a lesson from history are sooner or later forced to repeat it.

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        • Deplorable_Infidel says:

          “People who don’t learn a lesson from history are sooner or later forced to repeat it.”

          Which is why IF the popular border crossing areas had some skeletons lying around on the ground, traffic of illegals would be a fraction of what it is now.

          Ecclesiastes 8:11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

          Romans 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

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          • waltherppk says:

            The border could be made a mile wide “service road for border patrol” easement. Make it extremely unhealthy for persons who try to cross that layered security perimeter. Put emergency call boxes along the line like on turnpikes for any stranded travelers. Let Mexico answer the calls on their side and vice versa. Seal that border area off and stop the “intruder” nonsense. It may seem draconian to a non-serious person. Given the dangerous state of the world today, it is past time to get serious and militarize the border so the drug dealers and human traffickers, terrorists, assorted criminals, and illegal alien border jumpers are stopped. Half measures aren’t going to get the job done. For people who would ask, have things really gotten so bad that kind of perimeter security is justified ….yes, it was needed to be done a long time ago. Many victims of various bandits of whatever stripe who came across that border would never have been victims if the border had presented a real barrier to those criminal scum who came across that border easily to do their harm to good people who never deserved to be a victim of an international criminal.

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        • David A says:

          In orders to learn from history we should know history. The first question to ask regarding Mexico’s ” right’s – history in the Southwest US is which Mexico? – as there has been several disparate federal governments.

          A second questions is what did the Hispanics living in the southwest think of these different governments. The answer is they rejected them. They did both want or vote for them, and the corruption that infested them.

          My hope is that DT can show them a better way, a way that can raise all boats.

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  31. hellinahandbasket says:

    My video go-to, in all instances Donald J. Trump, and his fight against Globalist Evil:
    “Because every once in a while, the Lion – has to show the jackals … who he is”

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  32. truthbomb says:

    Only choice is to EXIT, impose trade restrictions and then start from scratch.

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  33. quintrillion says:

    How many know that the USA just started building an $1 Billion Dollar Embassy in Mexico City this February?
    https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/construction-begins-on-new-us-embassy/

    And here they are in the photo with their shovels: Ambassador Jacobson and other officials turning of the dirt in the opening ceremony.

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  34. snellvillebob says:

    Mexico and Canada will not deal until we withdraw totally from NAFTA. The will both need to hit bottom so anything will be up to them. They are so afraid of losing that they have to lose it all to get anything back. This is the typical leftist problem where they nudge, nudge, cheat, cheat. and refuse ti give an inch of anything back when they overstep. The get reset to zero.

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  35. Publius2016 says:

    With Senor O to the south and O Canada to the North, NAFTA IS DEAD! These socialists Globalists don’t understand business or compromise…they are true believers and want surrender…SORRY….ITS AMERICA FIRST!

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  36. wheatietoo says:

    “It is against U.S. interests to stay in NAFTA.”
    ____

    Yes, Sundance…it is.
    We should just kill it, and the sooner the better!

    Thanks for another great article on the ongoing saga.

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  37. fobdangerclose says:

    Two Party Evil Money Cult of D C!

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  38. fobdangerclose says:

    Lt Gen Lewis M Walt
    I-Corp Vietnam

    His Marines dying due to being sold drugs by emients of the CIA and their native helpers from Laos has Alaskan bear traps nailed to all his Forward Operating Post

    “Anyone caught selling drugs to my Marines will end up in a bear trap!

    Only proble was LBJ shipped him home and Lt General Cushman sent to replace Gen Walt!

    Gen Cushman came from an assignment with the CIS!

    This evil corruption is not new!

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  39. Delibero says:

    It is odd but understandable that the USA is negotiating a revised trade deal like “wolverine” with its money lender. I read that the USA has a $1.3 trillion loan with the People’s Republic of China and I was wondering if China would use that as leverage later by dumping Treasury bonds.

    However I also read that, “the US-China relationship is a classic example of the old saw: if you owe the bank a thousand dollars, you have a problem; if you owe the bank a trillion dollars, the bank has a problem. Trump holds the important cards and it is simply a case of whether he wants to play them.”
    Either way this is an “odd” negotiation between a borrower and a lender. In my life, the lender always held all of the power.

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  40. Ignored but salient point- NAFTA is a treaty, and according to the Constitution requires ratification by 2/3 of the Senate. This never happened, ergo it is operating under the color of the law.

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  41. Got an idea to close the deal. They want 62.6 and US want it 85%
    Make it 70% as long as Canada and Mexico are willing to pay for Mexico’s southern border wall

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  42. Zippy says:

    “Honestly, I cannot fathom why more people don’t see the inherent ridiculousness of NAFTA against the reality of Canada and Mexico arguing for more Chinese imports.”

    Simple, because “most people” MAY have only HEARD of NAFTA but have no real idea about what it is and certainly don’t know any details about it. Meanwhile, the controlled trade schemers in control of the idiocracy-level narrative – “NAFTA gooood! Trump baaaad!” – get richer.

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  43. cali says:

    I am sure that president Trump has the issue of safety on his mind as Mexico is trying to weave the China imports to their advantage and turn them over to the US for sale in light of the recent and various crashes of military planes and various collisions of ships in Asian waters as well the remotely controlled access to our car imports.
    We learned of the past two days that each and every collision of our Navy ships and each and every military chopper and jet crashes are all connected and that road leads to China.
    Hussein and Hillary each sold our military secrets to China in lieu of lots of cash and control but mostly to destroy the strengths of this country.
    Each collision and crash is the result of deals made by these two with China and the China produced faulty parts/chips and other hardware that was equipped with a backdoor for the deep state to GPS spoof causing crashes and collisions as well giving false GPS locations.

    These imports of parts from China also affects cars and as explained by WikiLeaks Vault 7 and Vault 8 all of it was done with malicious intent. If anything The Michael Hasting murder should have woken us up long ago as his car was remotely GPS spoofed causing his car to speed at 90mph into a tree causing his brand new Mercedes to explode into a fireball.
    Why and who? He was trying to get to a safe place after receiving a death threat from Brennan whom Hastings had written a major expose ergo Brennan needed to shut Michael up.

    In hindsight of the many recent crashes – the latest one yesterday morning where another chopper crashed causing the life of two more our soldiers in KY – the military just now as well as president Trump learned about the faulty and defective hardware produced and imported from China.
    We lost many good men from all within the military branches and billions of damages all due to the intentional traitorous actions in collusion with the deep state.
    I would think that Mexico insisting on importing parts they want to use from China is the sticking point by our president especially since we now know why our jets, planes, ships and cars can be spoofed and people killed and more.

    I’d say get rid of the NAFTA crap all together because its not worth it. China should no longer be a supplier of parts used in our military hardware or our cars if they can be spoofed.
    We can do much better than that!

    Mexico is a lousy trading partner and neighbor. They saddle us with millions of their people waltzing in this house uninvited demanding rights they never earned. Seeing the recent stunt with the 1,500 South American illegals heading for the border believing they had the right to demand asylum. If it weren’t so serious I would laugh but its not funny.
    You have the Mexican president Nieto posing with cartels in his fun filled boat ride with them while other presidents and politicians trying to pass legislation suspending the co-operation with this country and the Mexican cartels. In other words they will punish us for sending the NG to the border and suspending the catch and release policies.
    It’s like they are blackmailing us so we do without such a unreliable and destructive neighbor and partner.
    The Q-team said the open border issue goes much deeper and into more dangerous territory once we are told the whole truth. This coming week we will learn more about that and it involves the exposure of Eric Holder and his actions/works with the Californian political leadership and their agenda.

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  44. Linus in W.PA. says:

    I love Wilbur Ross, but dame if he doesn’t resemble the Tales from the Crypt character/thing!!!

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