I cannot give all the particulars to backstop my perspective, however, Vice President JD Vance has traditional training and perspective on leadership within massive organizations, enhanced by his military service. Essentially, ‘never compromise your leadership‘.
Vice President JD Vance would not publish the following message on social media, without previously approving the entire statement through President Donald Trump. If Vance did not discuss this with Trump, Vance would stay quiet. That said, here is the message from JD Vance:
“Look, I’m seeing this from the inside, and am admittedly biased towards our president (and my friend), but there’s a lot of crazy stuff on social media, so I wanted to address some things directly on the Iran issue:
First, POTUS has been amazingly consistent, over 10 years, that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. Over the last few months, he encouraged his foreign policy team to reach a deal with the Iranians to accomplish this goal. The president has made clear that Iran cannot have uranium enrichment. And he said repeatedly that this would happen one of two ways–the easy way or the “other” way.
Second, I’ve seen a lot of confusion over the issue of “civilian nuclear power” and “uranium enrichment.” These are distinct issues. Iran could have civilian nuclear power without enrichment, but Iran rejected that. Meanwhile, they’ve enriched uranium far above the level necessary for any civilian purpose. They’ve been found in violation of their non-proliferation obligations by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), which is hardly a rightwing organization.
It’s one thing to want civilian nuclear energy. It’s another thing to demand sophisticated enrichment capacity. And it’s still another to cling to enrichment while simultaneously violating basic non-proliferation obligations and enriching right to the point of weapons-grade uranium.
I have yet to see a single good argument for why Iran needed to enrich uranium well above the threshold for civilian use. I’ve yet to see a single good argument for why Iran was justified in violating its non-proliferation obligations. I’ve yet to see a single good pushback against the IAEA’s findings.
Meanwhile, the president has shown remarkable restraint in keeping our military’s focus on protecting our troops and protecting our citizens.
He may decide he needs to take further action to end Iranian enrichment. That decision ultimately belongs to the president. And of course, people are right to be worried about foreign entanglement after the last 25 years of idiotic foreign policy.
But I believe the president has earned some trust on this issue. And having seen this up close and personal, I can assure you that he is only interested in using the American military to accomplish the American people’s goals. Whatever he does, that is his focus.” (source)
Accepting what JD Vance is saying here (emphasis mine) the most Occam’s razor implication is that President Trump is going to authorize U.S. bunker busting bombs, the 30,000/lb deep penetrating bombs [GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP)] that only the USA has in the arsenal.
This approach takes the USA activity from “support”, to active operational engagement. Hence Vance saying “take further action,” and the following message from President Trump, “nobody does it better.”
I have no idea what’s going on with Iran right now. But as a former military officer who had the misfortune of having to work with classified information from time to time, I FULLY expect that there are a lot of things going on that will never be made public but are nonetheless extremely consequential.
I understand that the IC has lost the trust of the American public, and for good reason. But I am willing to accept that there are good reasons for why this all is happening right now.
Honestly, did we expect our trust in POTUS to go untested?
”Trump will not find perfect solutions. He will find OPTIMAL solutions. We cannot ask for more.”
-Sundance
I stand firmly behind the President, who is easily the best we’ve had in over 100 years.
God spared this man’s life for a reason. His return to the WH.
I trust God.
Just read on JFEED that the Pentagon has told Iran that US B-52s have been moved to Diego Garcia within striking distance of Iran.
Reported at 17:00- POTUS has spoken with Bono and is expected to announce decision in next few minutes.
Haha BiBi not Bono
I was trying to figure out who Bono was! LOL!!
Loki, don’t you just love autocorrect!
It’s even more funny when you know who Bono is *laughing*
made me Lol Swimeasy
They have been there since early May.
Debateable. Jennifer Griffin reported earlier that they had returned to Omaha after the Houthis situation.
The only reason this is happening now is it is part of the price President Trump has to pay to get his BBB thru the Senate.
No, it removes nukes, keeps from having to pick sides in an never-ending war, dies not get involved in IC regime change with killing “Supreme Leader”.
No
What? You are trying to say something without saying it.
This “I know something you don’t know!” riddles in comment sections drives me bonkers!
That’s just a byproduct. The first bomb that destroys Fordow will justify his Nobel Peace Prize- Any Republican that tries to weaken the BBB should be expelled from the ‘Republican’ party.
I don’t think so.
If you didn’t notice, we happen to be right in the middle of dealing with the entire Middle East doing a hard and fast reset.
And what Israel is doing today was planned a long time ago, long before the BBB.
I understand that the IC has lost the trust of the American public, and for good reason. But I am willing to accept that there are good reasons for why this all is happening right now.
Didn’t come from the US intel agencies.
FADDIS: Iran’s Nuclear Program – Somebody Was Very, Very Wrong About The Iranian Nuclear Weapons Program – I’m Betting It Was Us (6:13)
Bannon’s War Room
16 Jun 2025
https://rumble.com/v6uvyv9-faddis.html
Iran’s Nuclear Program – Somebody Was Very, Very Wrong About The Iranian Nuclear Weapons Program – I’m Betting It Was Us.
Sam Faddis
Jun 15, 2025
https://andmagazine.substack.com/p/irans-nuclear-program-somebody-was
[snip]
Somebody is wrong. If the Iranians are in fact on the brink of having operational nuclear weapons, then essentially everything DCI Gabbard said in March was wrong, and the entire American Intelligence Community missed the mark widely on Iran’s nuclear weapons work. If Gabbard is right, then the Israelis are either lost in a labyrinth of lies or they are deliberately misleading us and the world.
Unfortunately, I am betting the Israelis have it right, and it is our intelligence that is lacking.
The latest information in the press suggests that Iran recently conducted successful experiments that left it at most weeks away from being able to produce functioning nuclear weapons. When this information was presented to Israeli political leaders, they were also informed that things had now reached the stage where it would be impossible to track future developments precisely. In short, if Israel did not act, it might well find that it was too late, and Iran had already gone nuclear.
According to the intelligence provided to Netanyahu and his cabinet, Iran’s nuclear weapons efforts went into overdrive in late 2023. Those efforts were divided among separate secure teams. This work proceeded in parallel to uranium enrichment efforts with the goal of having a device ready when sufficient HEU [highly enriched uranium, i.e. bomb grade – W] had been produced.
This approach mirrors that seen in all other nuclear weapons programs. No one waits until they have the HEU in hand to begin building the bomb into which the HEU will be placed. When China went nuclear, it took them a total of 72 hours from the time the HEU was available in its final form until they had an assembled device. According to an International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) report at the end of May, Iran’s stockpile of uranium, if enriched further, was enough to build nine nuclear weapons.
This critical intelligence led Israel to conclude that time had run out. They had to act, and they had to destroy not only nuclear sites but also attempt to eliminate the body of knowledge Iran had amassed after years of research and testing. A senior Israeli military official said Saturday that “all the scientists eliminated in the opening strikes had, over the years, been involved in developing the nuclear detonation device.”
[snip]
And there needs to be a purge:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/06/17/june-17th-2025-presidential-politics-trump-administration-day-149/comment-page-2/#comment-11870640
That is assuming the Iranians don’t already have a few nukes on standby from friendly Nations. It stands to reason they would have a few squirreled away for an emergency while developing their own.
maybe-then they could help turn Iran into glass.
Thank you for the addy to this site.
This gives enough clarity for me to understand the necessity. It takes me off the fence and clears my conscience, personally. That is important to me. I have to give an answer to The Almighty for my very thoughts and intentions.
Think about this:
We know that Obama’s crew was very involved in Iran, remember the pallets of cash?
The list is so long.
And what have any of these people been right about?
Their goals are to wreck the place, not do good things, to destroy.
So we’re destroying them before they destroy us.. this is what it all boils down too.
This guy, the official spokesman for the Iranian Revolutionary Guards might help clarify the situation:
Yes
If you are willing to accept that there are good reasons for this you are a fool. The US IC is irredeemably corrupt.
Well said Barbara. Apparently people forget the IC is made up of neocon zionists who’ve played this tune before. I’m old enough to remember the farce that was king zionist Netanyahu standing in congress and saying “trust us, Saddam has WMD and will use them, or God forbid, give them to Al Queda.” This bloodthirsty villainy will destroy Trump’s presidency and fracture the MAGA base into a million pieces, effectively neutering both.
Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi has just addressed the people of Iran.
I agree, with Sundance, I think this is what is likely to happen.
The important thing here is to think about how wars end. A war must end when the conditions for peace establish a better peace than existed before the war.
If a war ends with a better peace not being established, the war will eventually recur and/or never fully end. A text book example of this was the ending of World War I.
In order to make sure there is peace not only in the Middle East, but peace around the world, the war cannot end until Iran’s nuclear program and ballistic missile program is destroyed, and it cannot end until the regime is replaced by a government that wants peace with the rest of the world.
Because of the nature of the Fordow nuclear center being deep underground, there is a need for the bunker busting bomb technology. If it is not used, and if Israeli commandos cannot get into the facility to blow it up on their own without the US bunker busting bombs, it will mean Iran will continue to have a nuclear program. Trump has said that cannot be allowed to happen.
Regime change: 80% of the Iranians WANT REGIME CHANGE AND ARE PLANNING ON IT. They have been planning this for years. They will know when it is safe for them to do so. They have been under totalitarian rule since 1979 and have really wanted to get relief. They have been very grateful towards Israel, because Israel is the one country in the world that has stood up to their oppressors.
Even if the US Air Force has to fly these planes to destroy Fordow, that still does not mean the US is making war on the people of Iran or involving itself in regime change against the will of the people. The US would be making the world safer by getting rid of technology which, in the hands of people determined to wreak destruction on the earth, would be a danger to all the world’s people, especially all the countries of the Middle East.
None of this involves boots on the ground or some kind of Vietnam like quagmire. Israel has done and will do most of the work before finishing off Fordow.
I find it difficult to understand what all the hostility towards Trump is about on this issue. Trump has insisted that his goal is peace, and that there can be no peace as long as the Iranian regime is in power and has nuclear weapons. The first part will be taken care of by the people of Iran, the second part has largely been taken care of by Israel, but might need the US for Fordow’s underground facilities..
I don’t understand the hostility either.
Iran has been a problem since 1979. I trust President Trump to make the best decision in this matter.
Iran is Jimmy Carters legacy
Don’t forget obama’s + biden’s contributions
Thank you I was wondering if anyone else remembered Carter enabling the return of the Mullahs to Iran and the ouster of the Shaw.
I am a Barb who has been here for some years and am politely asking you “Barbs ” to differentiate your name from mine with more than a small “s ” afterwards. I think others might object if you put their name with a small s afterwards—for instance
Eve Rowells, Winstons, Sundances, etc. Thanks for the courtesy.
I have been here 5 years. I don’t post often but have always used Barbs for my posts.
🙄
I’m against getting directly involved but your synopsis makes a good case for our limited involvement. Very well stated. My only reservation is what will China do? I don’t think Putin will get involved. He has his hands full in Ukraine and it means more to Russia than Iran.
I’m reading the tea leaves presented by Sundance here in the Treehouse and my reading is Trump and Putin have an agreement that results in a nuclear free Iran with no Russian connection and the very minimal if any US involvement. My guess is these messages by Vance and Trump is notifying Putin that the worst case scenario has happened and we have to send in a B2 with an MOB. Putin gets a vote but the only ballot boxes are in the Ovel Office and Kremlin. Silence from Moscow is approval. What is Iran worth to China? Xi may have Kim rattle his sward a bit but China doesn’t want armed conflict with a Trump led US. My read is as of 6/17/2025 Iran is toast.
Well done oh Master of the Deal!
Of course I am just reading the tea leaves and didn’t even get to drink the tea. Just watching those who did. It is just too Trumpesk!
China has it’s own mess to deal with- and it’s a big one.
“ and it cannot end until the regime is replaced by a government that wants peace with the rest of the world.”
Think about the implications of that statement for about 10 minutes, and you’ll quickly realize it means Iran is not a country but rather a colony of the empire.
What you are really saying is we’ll install a government that does whatever we order them to do, and its people can go pound sand. That is exactly how we ended up creating the Iranian theocracy to begin with.
We deserve to be punished, and punished harshly for our arrogance.
The writer is not saying the “we’ll install a government…”. He states “…until the regime is replaced…”. This can only come from the Iranian people. The job of the world (in the form of Israel and USA) is to create the conditions for that to be possible.
lol if you think that’ll happen.
The current government in Iran isn’t an Iranian government per se. It’s a self appointed supranational government representing the Muslim Ummah that controls Iran.
The Ayatollahs wouldn’t care if Iran was destroyed in the nuclear war they were planning. The only thing that would matter to them is whether it advances the Islamic Ummah.
You can’t deal with, or trust, religious fanatics.
I hope the war doesn’t end with them still in power. It would be a disservice to the world and Iran.
“ You can’t deal with, or trust, religious fanatics.”
A lot of people on this blog just did the side-eye thing.
You have been right about a lot of stuff over the years, Hokkoda, but in this you are dead wrong.
I still respect your opinion and you’re right to same.
I appreciate that. But I am not wrong.
I said before the Iraq war that we’d have to occupy it for 60 years and ruthlessly impose our rule over that country. But that I didn’t believe the public would have the staying power, especially once the civil war started.
And I supported the invasion of Iraq in 2003 (WMDs). In the fullness of time my counsel rang true, and the folly of using WMDs as a pretext for regime change was cemented.
I don’t see it that way.
The Iranian people have been waiting to be freed for decades now, there have been several uprisings and they just can’t get it done.
I can imagine that when this is all done, they’ll have elections and the people will finally get a chance to form their own government that is reflective of them– look at what Argentina has accomplished, El Salvador, and even Saudi Arabia.. it is possible if these barbarians are removed and the people set free.
There’s no evidence of that.
And 26 folks up voted this hokum!
drop bomb, drop 2nd bomb on hit from 1st. drop 3rd to hit where 2nd went. hole lower, and lower, and lower. until reach
Regime Change, yes, but not installed by IC. President Trump’s approach gets rid of nukes, let Iranians deal with Mr. Supreme, and reorganize their government. Bibi and IC want to control who runs new government.
If mossad is there, and they are, the IC and Israeli govt will try to control the actions of any government that follows. You can take that to the bank.
Iran cannot have a nuke – simply cannot. If PDJT needs to make that happen militarily, my guess is he does exactly what you so cogently laid out. We’ll be minimally involved with a bunker buster or two or three, then out. Isreal can then clean up the rest of the threat. Once the regime leaders eliminated, the people of Iran can rise up to fill the void. One can hope!
War is the ending of something, not the beginning of something, it’s the end game.
When you think about it like that, it makes a whole lot more sense.
Raheem J. Kassam
@RaheemKassam
I’ve heard from a number of people that the folks you’d expect to be at work if there was imminent military action afoot are not being called on right now.
Meanwhile, I understand State Dept folks are all very busy. Which suggests diplomacy is still top concern.
Cont reading full thread…..
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1934765330892542003.html
I really wish they would take out the terrorist khumeni and free the Iranians.
Back then….. “I really wish they would take out the terrorist Saddam and free the Iraqis”
Now … “I really wish they would take out the terrorist khumeni and free the Iranians”.
Tomorrow …. “I really wish they would take out the terrorist Putin and free the Russians.”
There is always some terrorist out there who for some reason it is America’s job to “take out”.
Wrong, Paul.
You’re entitled to your opinion, but you’re dead wrong.
I don’t know how the Iranians feel, but taking out Saddam didn’t help, taking out Qaddafi didn’t help, talking out Assad hasn’t helped…
JohnPaul,
I don’t think that most of us are overly thrilled to be the world’s policeman.
However, we’ve just seen for the past four years what not playing that role has created: a complete disaster.
So, I’m now thinking about our role as the world’s policeman as “Someone needs to be the adult in the room”.
And it may as well be us.
It’s simply a reality..
Saddam was never a terrorist or sponsor of terrorism.
Putin is not a terrorist or sponsor of terrorism.
Ayatollah khumeini is.
Khamenei is one of many clerics who all hold the same worldview and as part of that they want to kill Israel and us. So nothing would change if Khamenei is killed unless there is a way for Iran to overthrow the religious fanatics. And so far they haven’t been able to do that.
They are religious fanatics because their religion calls for them to kill Israel and us and to take over the Moslem world. That is a morally corrupt position no matter how it’s dressed up. You also need to be a bit mentally ill to buy into it.
The best thing that could happen is if the Iranian people find a way to overthrow the fanatics and surrender.
Here is a discussion, Can Israel end Iran’s Nuclear Program without American Bunker Buster Bombs?
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/israel-end-iran-nuclear-program-david-albright
JFK wanted to end Israel’s nuclear program. Demanded inspections. LBJ was more flexible.
Excellent.
Why doesn’t Israel just send in ground troops?
They had people infiltrated in Iran.
They took out the leaders, scientists and important sites.
I think a quick glance at a map will answer that question
Exactly, Charles.
Few people stop and think just how few countries have the air- and/or sealift capability to deliver and sustain forces on the ground in a foreign and/or hostile environment. Russia can (see Syria), the US can (see the years since WWII). China may have the ability but has not proven it can. NATO without the US has little to no lift capability (see Afghanistan).
That’s it folks–two countries, a possible third. The air and naval forces needed to pull off such a thing is simply beyond the budgets of nearly every country in the world, including Israel.
You can be sure that Israel has a lot of reconnaissance teams roaming about Iran.
What about Gaza?
And ict 7
That’s what they have Americans for.
With drone, high tech and the ability to explode their pagers, ground troops are becoming a thing of the past- to a larger degree.
I’ve read that we’re not that far from wars being conducted from space- never mind ground troops.
Destroy the Iranian war capability with extreme prejudice, then let the former Shah’s son return to try and rebuild the country. Keep the police and civilian infrastructure in place. No more mistakes like in Iraq. No boots on the ground. No more attempts to reinvent Iranian culture.
The last Shah grandson has been very vocal about regime change in Iran. He’s been in the news a lot lately
I’ve been told this is the case, but haven’t seen it anywhere. What news sources have these stories?
Forgive me for giving you half an answer.
I cannot remember what the Shah’s grandson’s name is, BUT I have read that he has posted some thoughts on X.
If you can find his name and look for him there?
“First, POTUS has been amazingly consistent, over 10 years, that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. Over the last few months, he encouraged his foreign policy team to reach a deal with the Iranians to accomplish this goal. The president has made clear that Iran cannot have uranium enrichment.”
Is that an implicit admission that the 10 years of remarkable consistency does not apply to the last sentence — a very recent demand, and the pretext for the present attack?
No.
The negotiations to reach a “deal” were a ruse, a mere pretext on trump’s part. Israel has been planning this attack for almost a year.
Correction: for 30 years. This unjust preemptive attack does not serve the interests of the United States. It only serves Netanyahu’s and his Greater Israel desire for total dominance of the Middle East.
To accomplish that, he needs to continue to threaten the surrounding nations to never resist Israel’s expansionist military actions and regional dominance. That requires the tiny nation to continue to have an obscene Middle East nuclear weapons monopoly.
Once again, the US is being manipulated to advance Israel’s war goals that, in every single past case, has cost many American lives, massive amounts of US taxpayer funds, the lives of thousands of US soldiers and the lives of millions of innocent civilians in the nations attacked on behalf of Israel’s aspirations.
It is madness.
What the US should be advocating is a nuclear weapons treaty that would include equal limits on Israel and all other Middle East nations. Why is there no concern about Israel’s criminally obtained nuclear weapons, its repeated threats to use them on other nations, and its unwillingness to participate in a nuclear arms treaty?
whut?
Steve’s meds are wearing off…..
Those treaties are super powerful.
It means that POTUS has been saying that but then he’s been talking to the freaking wall too– BECAUSE Iran is most definitely working towards producing nuclear weapons.. despite what he’s said.
SO you get to a point when you say enough is enough, time to get serious.
I have racked my brain trying to zero in on who in President Trumps inner circles got caught in the Honey Trap.
Maybe the freewheeling and dealing in the Cryptos the bulk of the family seems involved in might have crossed into ‘Peachment Territory.
Maybe Mark Levin handed President Trump a Manila envelope of pictures too ugly to do anything different than what was being demanded.
Maybe it’s as Nick Fuentes suggested that President Trump was threatened with the JFK treatment just like when he was attempting to demand nuclear inspections in order to prevent Israel from getting the Bomb in the early 60s.
This whole mess makes MAGA less of a mission statement and pretty much a sales pitch.
I wonder what horrific replacement the “Deciders” have warming up in the Bull Pen to lead Iran. Since the CIA installed the Mullahs in 1979 and Mossad and the CIA just installed the head ISIS/ Al Queda butcher in Syria, I really don’t have a good feeling about any of this.
That is the problem. 7 countries in how many years did the Neocons promise? Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran and then we will have peace in the Middle East? All of this regime change just brings more war while the technocrats tighten the noose in the US and we can’t fight it because we are fussing among ourselves with war distraction.
why does this feel so dramatic to you…
a seperate country taking out a shared enemy.
is it the fear that we will repeat Bush Iraq… we dont have to do that anymore.
that was specific to prevent pipelines that crossed Syria (ours versus Irans)
Again, the CIA installed the Mullahs because the Shah would not sign over oil rights to the Globalists of the day. This wouldn’t be a problem if we didn’t make it one. Now the rest of the Worlds Nuclear movers and shakers are getting riled up over our ransacking the regional order, AGAIN!
I was born in 79 so I barely have skin in this game. I didn’t vote for the jokers that got this ball rolling and I was too young to peacefully protest foreign meddling and regime change.
yea, its no big deal.
the nuke team doesnt want another member to have to negotiate and yield to at times.
so Israel will bomb it for us..
Well, it won’t be a Jimmy Carter
This is the wrong take on the situation.
This has been coming to a head since before Jimmy Carter..
How do you suggest that the toothpaste get put back in the tube at this point- some 50 years later?
I would like to raise an interesting point.
Does the US want to run the risk that a B-2 is shot down, as Iran apparently shot down a F-35, risking destroying the whole stealth industry?
I suspect that Northrop and Lockheed may be lobbying hard, better be safe so illusion of stealth continues, rather than sorry and sustain a major maybe fatal hit to mega profit future projects.
Probably backed up by Congress who see the potential loss of gravy train. Good reason to clearly gain control of overseas wars.
If the US steps in, first Iran’s missiles will do so much damage to Israel that it will cease as a country as there will not be enough money to rebuild it. A situation that could apply now if we could see the actual damage without Israeli censorship. Second all US bases, as a minimum in the Gulf, will be destroyed by Iran’s as yet unused 500 mile missiles, with an estimated well over 15,000 US souls in them. Israel, with nothing to lose, then goes nuclear and we are in WW3, just like that, in a weeks time. Get your prayers up to date.
The base problem with both Iran and Russia, is that the US does not understand the word ‘Existential’ when related to a country as it has never, since its establishment, faced a real threat. Both Russia (WW2 was latest) and Iran (Iran/Iraq 8 year war) have. Both have said they will fight to the end.
Believe them more than any US leader.
I am amused by your completely unsupportable and uninformed idea that anything “stealth” cannot or could not get shot down.
The rest is just more of the same.
Good point. I experienced it first hand in ’92 when a B2 was doing ground following radar tests as 2-300′ feet over my shop. It was very quiet on approach with only a small whine as it passed. Very impressive for a jet aircraft at low altitude. It was close enough that I could read panel writing on the bottom of the aircraft. It made a half dozen passes, of which I caught about half on my 8mm video camera.
A machine gun could’ve easily taken it out. Fortunately, it was in friendly territory. I lived by what is Joint Base Lemoore at the time. The bombers came from Whiteman.
Whiteman is still “Spirit” land. My BIL was posted there in the mid 1980s when it was a SAC ICBM base (351st SMW; 20th AF). He and my sister lived in Knob Noster at the time.
The F-35 shoot down video was from a video game
Shhhhhh, he’s on a roll.
Bluto: “Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Heck no!”
Otter: “Germans?”
Boone: “Forget it, he’s rolling.”
Shades of “The Ghost of Kiev”.
Anybody remember that scene in a recent movie (can’t recall the name) about the last days of the Fuehrer and his military staff in their Berlin bunker? How a deluded, panic-stricken Hitler was moving army units and military assets around on a large map and no one daring to tell him that the units and assets no longer existed?
Methinks the same thing could be unfolding in some bunker with the Ayatollah and his shrinking staff.
To your point about the risk a B-2 bomber could be shot down: I don’t know if Iran had the capability to shoot down a plane flying at 50,000 feet, but I would think that capability would be severely crippled by now.
Since Israel continues to take incoming missile hits, a missile launching capability in Iran still exists, but Israel appears to be eliminating them one by one. It can take a while, especially with fire-and-scoot mobile launchers.
You are thinking of Downfall (2004).
Israel has bitten off more than it can chew so now the USA will have to go to war, or at least blow up some things, in order to bail them out. That’s my humble opinion.
Maybe not. I wouldn’t underestimate Israel.
Israel: We Are Hitting Fordow, With or Without U.S., Bunker-Busters
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2025/06/17/israel-we-are-hitting-fordow-with-or-without-u-s-bunker-busters/
and…..you are not only one…..someone did not expect way how IRON DOME will “work”….
Well, good to see JD seemingly confirming what I wrote yesterday: we’re about to bomb Iran.
The obvious question that nobody addresses is “And then what?”
It’s not like Iran won’t rebuild. That means the neocon dream of “regime change” in Iran is here.
And when JD correctly points out the idiotic foreign policy of the last 25 years, he skips over explaining why this scenario is any different other than “trust us”.
We were right to believe the US will enter the war on Israel’s side. We’re right to believe this is now on a path towards a regime-change military operation. We are right to assume that ground troops will be used (no pretending!). We are right to assume that a massive civil war will follow based on the last 5 countries we did this to.
And we do not yet know what China and Russia will do. China gets a lot of oil from Iran, for example. Do they go after Taiwan to draw us away from Iran? Do they and the Russians help Iran shoot down our planes? Or do we get essentially a declaration of war against the US by an Iran-aligned axis of nations?
Less than a week in, and already there are calls for unconditional surrender? You would think a POTUS who has been through as much as Trump would understand that the first 5 days of assaults tell you nothing about the outcome of the war.
Yep. And those spouting “80% of Iranians want regime change” (if that is in fact true, which I doubt) fail to recognize two important factors:
1) Only 3% of colonists picked up arms to repel the British in our revolution. How many of that “80%” will do the same?
2) Even if (and I highly doubt the 80%), that still leaves millions of Iranians that DO support the regime and will have a lot at stake to fight for plus the arms/military to do it with.
It is naive to think that dropping a MOAB will cause the sudden and peaceful surrender of the Mullahs. We are close to stepping on a very slippery slope.
Well, the MOAB will bury the main problem underground.
Why immediately think we are going to do the bombing. when we have a scapegoat right here to do it for us..
You ask, “and then what?” This is why America loses all its wars. This is why it never wins. Israel and Trump have made the purpose of the war clear – to stop Iran getting a nuclear weapon. The USA destroys Fordrow and maybe other sites and then Iran has no capability to get nuclear weapons. And then what? USA and Israel leave an emasculated adversary to its own people. There is no and then what. Its mission accomplished – Iran cannot get nuclear weapons.
Internally in Iran – who knows, but also who cares? It is a matter for the Iranian people. But the opposition in Iran is against hardline Islamists unlike in Syria or Libya. Worst case a highly degraded regime clings to power. That regime has lost most of its capacity to fund and arm its proxies like Hamas, the Houthi, and Hezbollah. Best case a more secular and liberal government emerges with no interest in funding regional proxies, pursuing regional wars, nuclear weapons to destabilise its neighbours or wiping Israel of the face of the planet. This will greatly increase the chances of a wider regional peace.
Externally to Iran in the region, Saudi and UAE don’t need to develop their own nuclear capability which would have increased tension in the region. The war has ann anti nuclear proliferation benefit which is useful. Iran loses much of its influence throughout the Middle East. The USA has reasserted its dominance in the region. A much longer peace is achievable in Israel and in Yemen and Lebanon might be able to shake free of the shackles of Hezbollah.
Globally the US asserts its strength to deter nuclear proliferation. China and Russia lose a key ally, demonstrating the weakness of those two countries once you move away from their immediate neighbourhood.
But most importantly Trump, by not getting involved on the ground or in regime change or in nation building and reconstruction, demonstrates that it is the end of the ahistorical and idiotic General Colin Powell doctrine of “you break it, you own it” which was the doctrine that led to endless involvement and forever wars. The Trump doctrine is that if you cross our red line, we destroy your capability to cross that red line again – end of story. The USA either does it directly or does it by enabling its allies. That will make many of the right people scared of US military power. That deterrence effect is how you achieve peace through strength which reduces the likelihood of further wars.
Trump understands his policy, often stated in his rallies, is to stop Iran getting nuclear weapons. That’s it. Achieve that mission and leave the rest to the Iranian people. That’s not a forever war, it is putting America first. An emboldened Iran with nuclear weapons is not putting America first and that is the only other option on the table.
The Trump doctrine might be called FAFO. Trump announces the US position – Iran can’t have nuclear weapons, Trump conducts time capped negotiations to achieve the policy peacefully – he gave Iran 60 days not another 20 years, Iran failed to use peace window so on day 61 all hell rains down to militarily achieve the policy position. Mission accomplished – leave with no ongoing obligation.
So your “and then what” is a mix of
“I don’t care” and
“Civil War”
and “They can rebuild that, and next time they will just lead with nukes.”
With a side helping of the United States and Israel can murder anyone they want for any reason they want in any country they want as long as it’s justified under some vague moral code that we’re the good guys.
You realize that’s the basic operating principle of the Empire in Star Wars, right?
You lost me at “I don’t care.”
Not what I said at all. Hamas, Iran’s proxy, started this war on Oct 6. Trump has said for years that Iran can’t be allowed to get nukes. He gave the Mullahs an off ramp & they didn’t take it. Now Trump is saying let’s end the potential for Iran to get a nuclear weapon & leave the rest to the Iranian people. No future US involvement.
And if the new regime pursues nuclear weapons then do the same to them. But I suspect they will be much more likely to heed the warnings.
Is it possible that all of this rhetoric is to create such a fear and uprising in Iran that the people, who want to be free and more like America, rise up and stop Iran cold and capitulate to our terms without even a bomb being dropped. Remember they have lost a significant portion of their strict control to death already.
This would free Iran and hurt Israel and the deep state that want perpetual war. Imagine a situation where it just ends and Iran is free and America loving like it once was.
I also believe if we have to drop something it will be quick and over fast with little civilian damage as we come to the rescue of the Iranian people. With no Obama and friends to prop up their evil out would be a win.
Igt needs to be quick so we can back to what is really important and that is saving our won country which falls further into decay by the day. Congress must go!!
Interesting, especially the part about Putin abandoning the Iranian regime:
Doesn’t Iran have sleeping terror cells seeded throughout the USA that they can activate to wreak havoc on our critical infrastructure ie. electric grid or hostage stand offs?
Any escalation won’t be pretty.
Big and Ugly.
No.
With suitcase nukes too/sarc
All we can do, now, is pray for President Trump; let the Holy Spirit guide and direct him. Remember, God spared him for a reason.
Did any of us really think this was going to be easy?
The Holy Ghost isn’t the spirit animating this madness. Demons play the long game, and get you to fall by appealing to your virtue. Pride is a cardinal sin and is inherent in the calculation that “God spared me to bomb Iran.”
I’ve been watching all this on Tousi Tv. Israel had control over Tehran after the first night of this conflict. A preponderance of the Iranian people, particularly those who are not religious zealots, are, frankly, glad that Israel is attempting to remove this fundamentalist regime. So are most of the surrounding countries, as well. Jordan and Saudi Arabia were actually active in shooting down Iranian drones. I wonder if this issue with MAGA isn’t necessarily about ‘no more military intervention’ (after all, there was little backlash regarding Solemani, Syria, etc.), but about something else, instead. I think, frankly, this stems from an undercurrent of absurd information that has fomented on the internet for the past few years…..Jews ruling the world. Mossad being involved in the death of JFK. Rothschilds. Khazars. Small hats. Etc. Why was there no dissention in MAGA during Syria in Trump’s first term?? Why are we suddenly seeing more public anti-Israel sentiment….and don’t fool yourself to think that anti-Israel is NOT the same thing as anti-Jewish. It is. Despite whatever your opinion…or your loyalty to the likes of Tucker Carson or Candace Owens….we are seeing an infiltration, even in our own country, of Islamic fundamentalists who have publicly stated ‘Death to Israel. Death To America’. We are seeing this activity in the EU, the no go zones, London, etc. We see it starting in various parts of the US as well. There is a reason why a good portion of the Iranian people – those who remember what Iran was like before 1979 – are praying that Israel succeeds in this endeavor. Putin has offered the Ayatollah Khamenei asylum in Russia. This could be the proper solution to this situation, particularly as most of the Khamenei’s government has either been killed or disappeared. I hope Khamenei takes the offer.
“Why are we suddenly seeing more public anti-Israel sentiment?…”
I think a lot of it has to do with the starvation taking place in Gaza. It’s just not right and is evil.
What starvation? Are you out of your mind? Or just on the job?
Good grief.
You should rephrase that to “Why is there more anti-Israeli sentiment?” You are trying to suggest that what is happening is some propaganda campaign, when what you are seeing is reality and the propaganda campaign is aimed at censoring
the reality.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/04/08/how-americans-view-israel-and-the-israel-hamas-war-at-the-start-of-trumps-second-term/
The only segment of the American population which still supports Israel is older Republicans. Everyone else (younger Republicans and Democrats) has a negative view of Israel.
As far as “Death to America” is concerned, there are vast numbers of Americans who clearly long for that goal. And that includes people in powerful and influential positions in our country. We should be spending a lot more time worrying about them and less worrying about what people on the other side the globe are saying.
for current update of conflict go to……moonofalabama.org or pronews
In other words, this is part of the price for the BBB.
This is an excellent metaphor illustrating American foreign policy for the last 35 years.
Step 1: bomb Iran
Step 2: ????
Step 3: world peace
>Iran could have civilian nuclear power without enrichment, but Iran rejected that.
To what I know and understand this is a lie. The thing here is it comes together with always more additional demands that Iran cut ties to Yemen Houthis and Lebanon. There’s always one more additional demand.
In short the US is giving Iran a “deal” then can never accept. Thus a given pretext for war.
On the topic of Iran not having nukes, Iran was in the JCPOA from which Trump himself cancelled it.
Iran – to my knowledge – did offer JCPOA with additional uranium being moved to Russia and control by Russia
But the US rejected this.
Anyway at least Vance acknowledged he is biased in one way or the other.
you mean Obama’s deal
is that what you are referring too.
i hope not. i hope i misread that
President Trump is handling this shit as people imagine stupid outcomes or possibilities that will never happen.
we have a Country ready and willing to do it all, and take all the blame. Only a complete idiot would just in front of them.
first US death a leader will be tomahawk’d similar to the past.
^jump in front of them (Israel)
I could see President Trump using the bunker busters if his Muslim coalition were to be the boots on the ground for regime change. Without his Muslim coalition it would be a no-go.
Remember, this is a set-up to drive a wedge between Trump and his base.
Let Trump be Trump.
Trump 2028 and 2032
President Trump’s COS is the wedge..
there are so many good things occuring. dont get lost in your enemy’s planting of what ifs.
“Muslim coalition”… is a Oxymoron…
I’m speaking of the GCC (Gulf Cooperation Council). Sorry for the confusion.
I don’t even know enough to form an opinion on this should we or shouldn’t we go to war, but having perused Farcebook this morning I can see that it doesn’t matter to the crazies what President Trump decides to do, they are merely waiting for him to decide to do – or not do – anything so they can find fault.
And we’ll all hear about it ad nauseum, perhaps from their podium out on the interstate.
God be with our patriotic President and his team as they are faced with weighty challenges, challenges on which the lives of many may rest.
true or false.
Social media only works because people believe bot accounts are real. that infects real people’s minds, who then go on to repeat it and make it look trending (if it doesnt trend, a bot farm will be activiated to hype it)
User account does not equal 1 single real person
another example of tech deception.
if you are stagnant on a social site. it will send a like or view to keep you feeling your high fix.
No war.
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BREAKING: DNI Tulsi Gabbard is in the Situation Room for President Trump’s meeting – Fox
Trump says he wants “real end” to Iran’s nuclear program, not just an Iran-Israel ceasefire
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-real-end-iran-nuclear-program
The following statement is not flip flop on my part. First I don’t like wars in general. Especially, not the way they’ve been fought by MIC for the last 60+ years…the endless part.
I have always thought battles and wars are usually fought for field testing new equipment. Seems the new equipment this round are drones and hypersonics.
So, all that…if battles need to be done (and I don’t encourage them) then get them done quick and done immediately which we can do……(politicians laundering money and MIC like long wars). This 20 year trillions wasted is the endless wars we don’t like. Do it and get it done in weeks, tops.
I also bet nothing will be done to mess with the new railway route Iran to China. That will bring China in quickly. I sure hope nothing is done to that railroad.
well you have to undo giving away the base in AFghan to china, and to letting them go across the land to fuel, verus the waters.
CPEC – map it from pakistan across and up to Iran.
Opinion piece by:
Lt. Col. Robert Maginnis, (ret.) By Lt. Col. Robert Maginnis, (ret.)
—
Why US must destroy
Iran’s Fordow nuclear facility now
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/why-us-must-destroy-irans-fordow-nuclear-facility-now
MOP them up, Donald.
Massive Ordnance Penetrator Bunker Buster Grows More Potent
A new “smart fuze” for the GBU-57/B Massive Ordnance Penetrator has been tested and an issue tied to the B-2 stealth bomber has been fixed. [Just in time! – W]
Feb 6, 2025
https://www.twz.com/air/massive-ordnance-penetrator-bunker-buster-grows-more-potent-thanks-to-new-tests
My thought on the issue is wondering if our bunker-buster can actually do the job. Maybe it can’t, or maybe it can. How deep and hardened is this facility? Will it take more than one? On the other hand, if Iran can be brought to the table and agrees to halt uranium enrichment and the whole nuclear program with inspection that ensures that the program is dismantled, then this could be the solution. It appears that this may be the goal, with the bunker-buster bomb waiting in the wings if it is the only way. Again, Iran must not have a nuclear weapon from this point on whatever it takes, agreement/inspection, or bombed to destruction.
This is better than having Israel go to war, killing way too many civilians, and taking out “Supreme Leader”, and still continuing in endless war. One mission only for President Trump. Get rid of nuksters and nuksters capability. Then Iran and Israel can go back to fighting their forever war. Global IC want “Supreme Leader” dead, no handing country back to citizens pre-1979, but instead installing their own choice.
Much has been said about Gabbard’s statements about the Iranian nuclear program. I’m beginning to wonder if hers was a purposeful statement designed to give the Iranians a false sense of security about the US taking out their weapons program. Maybe this was part of a distraction to help make the Israeli’s covert infiltration easier.
“We win and they lose. What do you think of that?”
“In January 1977, I visited Ronald Reagan in Los Angeles. During our four-hour conversation, he said many memorable things, but none more significant than this: “My idea of American policy toward the Soviet Union is simple, and some would say simplistic,” he said. “It is this: We win and they lose. What do you think of that?”
One had never heard such words from the lips of a major political figure; until then, we had thought only in terms of managing the relationship with the Soviet Union.
Reagan went right to the heart of the matter. Utilizing American values, strength, and creativity, he believed we could outdistance the Soviets and cause them to withdraw from the Cold War or perhaps even to collapse. Herein lay the great difference, back in early 1977, between Reagan and every other politician: He literally believed we could win and was prepared to carry this message to the nation as the intellectual foundation of a presidency.”–Richard V. Allen, “The Man Who Won the Cold War”
I’m not sure who you think the “we” is in this scenario. Because it is painfully obvious that “we the people” have essentially zero control over what is supposedly our country and our government.
A: Civilization
Regime Change Everywhere But Iran is the Clinton/Bush/Obama/Biden Policy
It is not President Trump’s.
Rest in the Vine: Decisive Victory versus Endless War: Where Did He Ever Learn Such a Thing as That?
When I think of the deep state and its machinations, ‘civilization’ is not the first word that comes to mind.
We had zero control over the ruling democrats.
They handed control over to the crazies starting with Jimmy Carter.
then Obama came to their rescue.
I remember on campus around ‘79 the Iranians protesting, then the democrats
gave them a horrible change in government.
Israel: We Are Hitting Fordow, With or Without U.S., Bunker-Busters
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2025/06/17/israel-we-are-hitting-fordow-with-or-without-u-s-bunker-busters/
Since the IDF lacks a mega 30,000 bunker buster bomb, which the US possesses, Israel has been trying to convince Washington to take out the facility.
However, despite lacking that bomb, the air force has other techniques for damaging or causing cave-ins at Fordow, such as repeatedly dropping 5,000-pound or 2,000-pound bombs over and over again in the same spots.
Israel has said that it expects to fight for one or two more weeks to achieve its objectives, which include destroying Iran’s ballistic missile capabilities, as well as its nuclear enrichment and weapons program.
Have at it. And if Israel wants to buy one of our MOPs/MOABs, then by all means sell it to them and post the receipts for the purchase on Truth Social. Let them fight their war.
If the Israelis truly own the skies, then they can conduct ground operations inside Iran. The Israeli ambassador to the USA says a “Grim Beeper” on steroids operation is in the works for the next 48 hours. I bet they are going to perform an Entebe-esque raid on Fordow. We fly over watch, make sure no one else gets involved
In total war, this makes sense. Establish air supremacy, then decimate the enemy’s ability to make war, including the civilian population, with a firm plan for occupation and control afterwards.
It appears, in recent times, limited, never ending, war is prefered by those who prosecute it.
Reading the thread caused me to do some independent reading and I tried to reconcile an oil-rich nation who can easily make all the power they’ll ever need from oil needing nuclear energy options and, even respecting the freedom to pursue such options, failing to develop more than one, apparently started in 1975.
I had a hand in one of the last of its kind in the U.S., also started around that time, on the California coast, called Diablo Canyon. Not a big hand, merely working for a company that developed and supplied pump seals for the big water pumps in the project.. Enviro nuts and the deep pockets of their lobby stopped nuclear energy in the US. Iran shows they don’t really want it, only the glowie part to do other things with.
I’m glad so many are focused on this region of conflict. It frees those of us focused on the domestic invaders and their collaborators in government and law enforcement to remain on that mission. Thank you.
So, Trump is going to expand the Forever Wars + is so far as viewed from the surface unwilling to press his DOJ to hold Key People accountable for Crimes Against Humanity + more…
Fanbleepingtasic……
PS Iran has had some nukes for a long time…
I was noncommittal with Iraq War 2 back then: The regime was bad + a danger to our interest but staying out of Forever Wars is always a good idea to favor…
I should have been more committed given the past 20 years…
— The Davos Plans are to get the US locked into a huge escalating war. They pulled the Trigger with Ukraine then Israel. — China is among the next giant moves.
I would vote for Trump again tomorrow —
But he is talking of fulfilling the Davos Agenda — just like his talk about Canada + Mexico —— fulfilling the North American Union.
I voted for — Drain the Swamp…
Go suck your thumb in the corner of the room.
Ambassador Mike Huckabee’s post.
Mr. President, God spared you in Butler, PA to be the most consequential President in a century—maybe ever.
The decisions on your shoulders I would not want to be made by anyone else. You have many voices speaking to you, Sir, but there is only ONE voice that matters—HIS voice.
I am your appointed servant in this land and am available for you, but I do not try to get in your presence often because I trust your instincts. No President in my lifetime has been in a position like yours. Not since Truman in 1945.
I don’t reach out to persuade you. Only to encourage you. I believe you will hear from heaven, and that voice is far more important than mine or ANYONE else’s.
You sent me to Israel to be your eyes, ears, and voice, and to make sure our flag flies above our embassy. My job is to be the last one to leave.
I will not abandon this post. Our flag will NOT come down.
You did not seek this moment.
This moment sought YOU.
It is my honor to serve you.
—Mike Huckabee
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His words brought this verse to mind:
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. John 15:13
Mike Huckabee has been a 10 year loyal friend to President Trump. Remember when he was asked in the 2016 Presidential debate if he would vote for President Trump? He said, “Everyday and twice on Sunday.”
Pray for his safety.
We love you Donald!
An honest question-
doesn’t bombing another nation constitute an “act of war” and Constitutionally, doesn’t it require Congress to declare such?
Yes, I realize that Congress has ignored their responsibility for doing such since the end of WWII, but I just want to be sure I understand this situation.
That’s a really good question about bombing and acts of war and I’ll bet the families of the MSF doctors and nurses in Kunduz that Zero had murdered with a Specter and assigned six grand to each corpse perhaps would like to know.
It comes down to a phrase I often heard from aggressors in the 1960’s, ‘what are you going to do about it?’ Well, today, my chain saw answers that question if their aggression fails. God sorts it out.
What’s the most effective way of motivating Congress to do their job? Good question. Seems like they enjoy money and wealth. If so, that’s instructive.
As CiC Trump can do pretty much what ever he wants for a limited time as per the War Powers Act (thanks to Bush Sr), even deploying troops for up to 30 days, longer deployments need CONgressional approval.
Thanks.
So who lied to Tulsi?
No
The Mossad and CIA lied to Trump.
The Iranian islamists have one goal and one goal only: to kill as many non-believers as possible, starting with the Jews. They will martyr every single civilian in their fight for this goal. They will decline to martyr themselves, but it’s ok to claim they’re doing holy work by making martyrs out of everyone else.
Pres Trump has mentioned “unconditional surrender”. I sincerely doubt that will happen.
I don’t trust Vance as far as I can throw him, but I trust President Trump. Our President has earned my trust through his words and actions over the last 10 years and I will continue to trust him until he proves himself untrustworthy.
President Trump is not getting America bogged down in a forever war. We have no American boots on the ground. American troops are not in danger because our President has secured the airspace, sold bombs to Israel, and has been perfectly clear about what happens next to Iran if they “FA.”
So why are so many people getting so hysterical over President Trump’s actions? Do these people really hate Jews so much that they want Israel to be destroyed? Perhaps so.
It’s really bizarre to see the passionate loyalty which so many on the “right” have towards Jews and towards Israel. Jews voted 80-20 against Trump in the last election, and are at the forefront of the “resistance” to Trump, and to us.
So what?
So why don’t we see similar movements in the GOP celebrating Muslims, or gays, or transgenders, or blacks? They’re no more left-wing than Jews are. Less so in some respects. But they are still too far left for the average Republican to accept. What is so special about this one particular group of anti-American left-wingers that a large portion of the right feels the need to treat them like their cherished first born children?
Not as bizarre as to see the deep affection and passionate support for cavemen who worship a torturer and muss-murdering false “prophet” who, at 54 years of age, took as his next “wife” a little girl aged 6.
The affinity of some posters for said death cult and its “values” speaks volumes. As does their belief in the legitimacy of the Ayatoilet’s medieval rule.
I have yet to see any of your alleged “deep affection and passionate support for cavemen who worship a torturer and muss-murdering false “prophet”.”
But just here on this page you can see several people who worship “Jews” as some sort of demi-gods. And these people claim to be “Christians” and “American conservatives”.
I’m supportive of Israel because the Jews are God’s chosen people.
The secular Jews you speak of are Jews in name only. They have rejected God’s blessings and promises. I don’t hate them but I don’t waste time feeling sorry for them either. God will deal with them and that’s good enough for me.
May God continue to bless and protect Israel 🇮🇱
Wish Team Trump was in the situation room with the joint chiefs and Cabinet discussing whether to use the bunker bomb on the Cartels and deploy CentComm assets to expel the illegal invaders and secure the boarder. That is the war we need to fight. All the others can be dealt with later… at least in the two more weeks it was going to take Iran to have a bomb.
Unconditional Surrender and let the citizens of Iran decide what happens to all of the Mullahs. Kinda like Mussolini.
Im old enough to remember James Cartier and the updates on the nightly news, Today is day 389 of our hostage crisis.. James was to busy running from rabbits and trying to hide his brother Billy from selling his beer, while wearing god awful sweaters..
Never voted until Reagan ran. Have voted ever since.
I was young then, took a lot of grief from all my friends at the time, all libtards. Had to go out and get new friends.
The locals can handle things there. Let threm do it.
Let them do it.
Also that was the time of the Arab oil embargo. James in true fashion prevented US drilling to offset shortages, what a putz.
UKR v RUS = World War Reddit
ISR v IRN = World War Rumble (battle of the conservative influencers)
You don’t need to drop a massive bunker buster, just hit above the entrances to the underground site and let gravity do the rest. The Fordow site then stops being an enrichment facility and becomes a multi-level tomb.
Israel pulled the old Weapons of Mass Destruction gag again, but this time on Trump.
Mossad and Ai = Look Squirrel/Nukes
Trump is trying to reverse the two biggest foreign policy disasters of the Carter years: giving up the Panama Canal and letting a religious dictatorship take over Iran.
God bless him and good luck!
I read the entire article. Not to split hairs – but WORDS have MEANING.
It’s “President” with a capital “P” as was repeatedly not presented.
I think another president said something similar about 120 years ago, in similar geography.
“We want the Uranium out, or Khamenei Dead.”
I’m done with MAGA and Trump if the US bombs Iran. I don’t believe that Iran violated the agreement and in fact Tulsi Gabbard testified 3 months ago that Iran is not violating their obligations ( not developing a nuclear weapon).
I call BS on Trump/Vance- I’m done with our Zionist controlled government. If the US bombs Iran it’s WW3.
I voted for Trump 3 times FYI.
No worries, Barbara.
Victory has many fathers while defeat is an orphan.
In a month or so, the dust will settle, and the MAGA movement will come out strong, solid, and even fortified.
Fair weather supporters and squishes are unreliable anyway.
Make sure you vote for Gavin Newsome or Ocasio Cortez in 2028. Yeah, that’s the ticket for ya. Bye-bye.
Old Joe, we knew you were senile to be president, but don’t confuse posters here with your crushes, such as Miss Lindsey.
My message was in response to some nag who throws a tantrum how she “is done with MAGA and Trump”.
YOU two are the ridiculous ones. Take a Xanax and breathe deeply.
MAGA will be OK!
She can have other choices in the primary when it comes down to that. The other strange (un-American) sentiment is, we don’t have to support leaders if they go against why we voted for them. They work for us, and nobody deserves unquestioned, interminable support.
“Trump is no longer choosing between peace and war. He’s choosing between being perceived as someone who made empty threats and being seen as the one who followed through. Given his personality, the choice is already made. The only remaining question is how far he’s willing to go.” (JPost)
Another glowing concern troll/seminar commenter complete with a proper name screen moniker and the obligatory “I voted for Trump x times” phrase.