I cannot give all the particulars to backstop my perspective, however, Vice President JD Vance has traditional training and perspective on leadership within massive organizations, enhanced by his military service. Essentially, ‘never compromise your leadership‘.
Vice President JD Vance would not publish the following message on social media, without previously approving the entire statement through President Donald Trump. If Vance did not discuss this with Trump, Vance would stay quiet. That said, here is the message from JD Vance:
“Look, I’m seeing this from the inside, and am admittedly biased towards our president (and my friend), but there’s a lot of crazy stuff on social media, so I wanted to address some things directly on the Iran issue:
First, POTUS has been amazingly consistent, over 10 years, that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. Over the last few months, he encouraged his foreign policy team to reach a deal with the Iranians to accomplish this goal. The president has made clear that Iran cannot have uranium enrichment. And he said repeatedly that this would happen one of two ways–the easy way or the “other” way.
Second, I’ve seen a lot of confusion over the issue of “civilian nuclear power” and “uranium enrichment.” These are distinct issues. Iran could have civilian nuclear power without enrichment, but Iran rejected that. Meanwhile, they’ve enriched uranium far above the level necessary for any civilian purpose. They’ve been found in violation of their non-proliferation obligations by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), which is hardly a rightwing organization.
It’s one thing to want civilian nuclear energy. It’s another thing to demand sophisticated enrichment capacity. And it’s still another to cling to enrichment while simultaneously violating basic non-proliferation obligations and enriching right to the point of weapons-grade uranium.
I have yet to see a single good argument for why Iran needed to enrich uranium well above the threshold for civilian use. I’ve yet to see a single good argument for why Iran was justified in violating its non-proliferation obligations. I’ve yet to see a single good pushback against the IAEA’s findings.
Meanwhile, the president has shown remarkable restraint in keeping our military’s focus on protecting our troops and protecting our citizens.
He may decide he needs to take further action to end Iranian enrichment. That decision ultimately belongs to the president. And of course, people are right to be worried about foreign entanglement after the last 25 years of idiotic foreign policy.
But I believe the president has earned some trust on this issue. And having seen this up close and personal, I can assure you that he is only interested in using the American military to accomplish the American people’s goals. Whatever he does, that is his focus.” (source)
Accepting what JD Vance is saying here (emphasis mine) the most Occam’s razor implication is that President Trump is going to authorize U.S. bunker busting bombs, the 30,000/lb deep penetrating bombs [GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP)] that only the USA has in the arsenal.
This approach takes the USA activity from “support”, to active operational engagement. Hence Vance saying “take further action,” and the following message from President Trump, “nobody does it better.”
Aww. just fine, and then Lindsay Graham can be instrumental in regime change and our boys will be on the ground. He’s all over media boasting about it. Bibi was attacked, not us. Bibi can attack Israel all he wants. This is war monger hysteria which got us into Iraq.
Um. Bibi was not attacked. Fact is, he has chosen to attack a country that was at peace. It seems not to have registered to many what a disaster this is. The same old WMD ruse notwithstanding, it made no sense to give a 60 day limit to negotiations when the alternative was a good chance of WWIII.
It’s more than disappointing to see the deep state manipulating Trump, just like they did Bush, and very likely derailing his presidency for a second time. Now, instead of potentially working with Putin on a new global security architecture, one based on a multipolar world, he’s going along with the 50 year-old plan to maintain US hegemony come hell or high water, which will naturally ruin his credibility and our relations with most other countries, which will, now that this has happened, flock away from us and toward BRICS.
Who do you think funds Hamas? Iran. Hamas and Iran started this war and broke the ceasefire that was in place up until 6 Oct. Iran got the war it wanted. Hopefully Israel finishes that war.
Hamas is mostly funded by (Obama’s friends) the Muslim Brotherhood, based in Qatar (our friends), and there is reason to believe they were started by Israel as a hedge against the PLO I believe. Regardless, these proxies have taken on lives of their own, and I see little reason to assume that the level of Iranian support for them is what it once was. This kind of proves a point, though, doesn’t it? We, you and I, really know very little for sure. We only know what we’ve been told which, in the case of Iraq, turned out to be utterly false in the end.
What we do know for sure is that every last one of these kinds of efforts, beginning with Viet Nam, has turned to sh** and been a counterproductive disaster in the end. Maybe a miracle will prevent that this time, but provably not, and that’s a real bummer, given that we finally got someone in there who seems to desire peace.
Please provide sources to back up your Hamas funding contentions.
Frankly, I don’t believe you where Iran is concerned.
I’ve seen information that says Iran does fund Hamas.
How would either of us know for sure?
My source about Hamas funding was Alex Mercouris, from a podcast on Theduran sometime after the 10/7 attack. Frankly, I don’t know where he got it, but I have found him to be unerring, literally, in his research. If you know him, he is an unusually reliable source when it comes to facts such as this one. He’s also very good at interpreting events. I highly recommend Theduran as a daily news source about the geopolitical landscape, including the war in Ukraine and now here.
You’re right to say that we can’t know with 100% certainty, but we can get into the 90% range by looking at all of the corroborative information and seeing where things link up, i.e. converge. In this case, an irrefutable fact that needs to be considered is that Iran has been forging ties with the Russians and Chinese, is a central player in BRICS, and is in the process of becoming a major energy transfer hub. The incentives for an eschatological assault on Israel are almost certainly far from what they once were and would completely conflict with those other geopolitical agendas. Hypothesizing major Iranian funding of Hamas, therefore, must reconcile that obvious conflict between current and previous goals or be discarded as a likelihood.
Israel also funds Hamass.. on record..
I find it hard to believe that’s still the case. But maybe.
That’s new information to me. Would you mind citing your source? Or a pathway to it? I’d like to read it. Thanks!
Who funded Iranian Mullah Mutts ???
Obamy/Cia & O’biden/Cia.
Both democRats.
Wow! Thought you were old enough to remember who started this but maybe not. It was Carter who paved the way for the Mullahs to regain power in Iran. Yes a Democrat at least you got that right. I wish they still taught History in school.
The statements are orthogonal, Carter did not fund the Islamists, he just washed his hands of any US support for the Shaw.
Obama funded them.
The 1953 CIA color revolution in Iran, which was then rational, was based on not letting the Islamists take over Iran, and shake an unstable world in a Cold War, and helping establish a reasonable Arab head of state. This sucessful action with US pressure forcing the British to give a far larger share of Iranian oil profits to Iran was good policy.
It worked and Iran became the number one economy in the Arab world with many women attending University and women wore no hijabs.
Our CIA unfortunately rembered how to do color revolution, but forgot any noble reason for such actions. Wittness the Ukraine.
As a side, note that Carter did then what many want Trump to do now. He walked away.
I understand their reasons, yet their certainty is irrational.
Iranians are Persians who speak Farsi, not Arabs
Having had both Persians and Arabs as neighbors, I whole heartedly prefer the Persians. They are educated including their women and gracious. The Arabs were thieves, albeit immature college students looking to get high on my decongestant. Worse, they were arrogant and tried to run around the multi-family apartment complex in their undies.
The people in this country when this regime falls as it will should declare we’re Persian and we live in Persia
Would change the whole dynamic in the mid East
You are confused on the CIA coup in Iran in 1953 which overthrew their then democratically elected government because it had moved to nationalize Iranian oil and assets, predominantly owned by the Queen of England and other British investors. The clergy in Iran supported that coup because that Iranian government had also sought to decrease the power of the mullahs in the government.
The conflict with the mullahs and Shah occurred later as he sought to ‘modernize’ the country. Their disagreement with particular acts passed by the government was led by the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini who the shah exiled from the country in 1963. Khomeini was returned to Iran and given a role in their government after their revolution and overthrow of the Shah in 1979.
I have no doubt that the King of England and British Petroleum would now welcome the return of what they feel are their assets.
The Shah should have killed Khomeini. Not exile him.
That is the lesson I take from all this…
Coup 53 is a documentary about all this and is supposed to be excellent.
Declassified Documents Reveal CIA Role In 1953 Iranian Couphttps://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB435/https://www.npr.org/2013/09/01/217976304/declassified-documents-reveal-cia-role-in-1953-iranian-coup
And Civics
Now you know why they don’t teach history.
It appears that Daddy Bush may also have been a big player in that mess, although something I just ran across and can’t verify.
Try Carter. That’s how long this has been swirling around the ME and America is the great Satan to them for that long too. They hate us, have for a very long time. World domination of Islam is their historical goal and we stand very prominently in their way according to the mullahs. All rhetoric and posturing? Who knows but they don’t waver from that stance ever.
A Brief History of the Netanyahu-Hamas Alliance
For 14 years, Netanyahu’s policy was to keep Hamas in power; the pogrom of October 7, 2023, helps the Israeli prime minister preserve his own rule
https://archive.ph/R0t0a#selection-381.0-385.146
For Netanyahu, Any Concession to Hamas That Keeps Palestinians Divided Is Worth It –
As long as Hamas controls Gaza, it can perpetuate the Strip’s separation from the PA, thwarting efforts to establish a unified Palestinian representative that could negotiate with Jerusalem and Washington.
https://archive.ph/fAtAm#selection-469.0-473.205
For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces –
The premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
How and why Israel helped create Hamas?
Not many people are aware of the fact that it was Israel which had helped the creation of Hamas as a counter to PLO
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2302309/how-and-why-israel-helped-create-hamas
Blowback: How Israel Went From Helping Create Hamas to Bombing It
Hamas wants to destroy Israel, right? But as Mehdi Hasan shows in a new video on blowback, Israeli officials admit they helped start the group.
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
Hamas, Israel’s Golem –
The Danger of Working with Religious-inspired Proxies
https://www.unz.com/article/hamas-israels-golem/
How Israel helped prop up Hamas for decades
Analysis: What is Hamas, and why has Israel deliberately enabled its existence for years?
https://www.analystnews.org/posts/how-israel-helped-prop-up-hamas-for-decades
Netenyahu Confesses to Strategy of Paying HAMAS for Dirty Tricks to Undermine Palestinian Statehood
https://newsparadigm.substack.com/p/bombshell-netenyahu-confesses-to
We did something similar with Al Qaeda and ISIS/ISIL. We need to quit doing these types of things. They always backfire.
“Who do you think funds Hamas? Iran.”
Let’s get back to the facts. Iran finances Hamas?
You seem to be distancing yourself from the facts. At the local bar we say: you’re talking garbage.
Or bring some documentation, please, and sources.
I encourage you to read this:How the Israeli Mossad created and funded Hamas as having controlled the opposition: https://christiansfortruth.com/how-the-israeli-mossad-created-and-financed-hamas-as-controlled-opposition/
and also: Israel Funded Hamas Beginning in the 1970s and Is Supported by Netanyahu: https://needtoknow.news/2023/10/israel-funded-hamas-beginning-in-the-1970s-and-is-supported-by-netanyahu/
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas?ysclid=mc1us06s32759298200
It’s not appropriate to distort facts, even if they don’t agree with your thoughts or beliefs.
You can do your own research on the subject. The Internet (other than through google, try Yandex) will provide you with a lot of information on the subject.
Unless you work for Mossad hasbara office 8200.
Israel cannot finish that war. The air strikes make for popcorn TV for Normie-Con. But there will be no Israeli war victory based on air strikes alone.
It’s not like they’re going to send in ground troops. They’re expecting us to do that.
“Fact is, he has chosen to attack a country that was at peace.”
Is that a fact? How interesting.
Are you referring to the assassinations and missile strikes that Israel has been conducting inside Iran for the past year? To which Iran has been very careful to respond in kind so as to avoid the escalation that Israel seems to have been hoping to elicit, much like the Ukrainian playbook against Russia? If that’s what you mean by not being at peace, I have to agree.
You mean in response to the mostly peaceful proxies? Is that where your peaceful Iran originates?
Best not to respond to castelletto–just the latest troll to be directed here over the past few days.
Sorry. I have been commenting here for several years now, albeit only occasionally. I decided to weigh in here because I think this is an important matter that warrants more than a knee-jerk, rah-rah, let’s go get ’em perspective. As you can see from the responses, I’m not the only one here that thinks that.
But it will be a BBW
Presidents are just figure heads for the deep state
BBW??????? doesn’t anyone write words anymore? Just assbook shorthand!
I’m not sure whether your assessment is correct or incorrect.
Time will tell.
I respect you for using the words- “I’m not sure . . .” something which does not deter many others on this board from all sorts of assertions.
Yes. Thank you. I’m not sure either, and I was careful to say that things may turn out differently, despite what I think we have to see as unlikely odds.
Um- you think Iran was at peace?
Every missile and every bomb lobbed into Israel, for many years have come from Iran indirectly.
Can you name a single country that flocked away due to President Trump’s ruined credibility? Just one?
Well, Russia is the big one, from what I can tell, and they wield a great deal of influence.
“Bibi was not attacked.” ?? I’m willing to bet my next paycheck that all the families of those killed on Oct. 7th (by iranian backed hamas) will vehemently disagree.
Pacifists will never understand the concept of ‘peace through superior firepower’.
This doesnt have to be an all or nothing proposition.
The worst part about the 60 day ultimatum is that it’s now clear it was a ruse.
Russia, I’m sure, is taking notes. They didn’t want a cease fire because Ukraine would just re-arm, re-group, and re-attack. Iran shows their concerns are 100% valid.
If Trump’s foreign policy default is “negotiate while we plan your death”, nobody will come to the negotiating table.
I can’t quite buy that. I think it’s more likely that the idea it was a ruse is being generated by sources designed to destroy Trump’s presidency. It doesn’t line up with what we know about his character based on many years. If anything, he’s too open, to the point of saying things he should keep closer to the vest. Duplicitousness has never been his thing.
What country was at peace? Iran? you mean while its proxies all over Yemen, Lebanon and Gaza continue to bomb Israel on their behalf? THAT peaceful country? ahhh
Compare and come to your own conclusions:
Iranian leadership says this stuff all the time, have so for years. So far, they haven’t once been able to follow through on much of anything. I suppose there’s always a first time, but maybe Israeli and American intelligence would already know what the Iranians can and cannot accomplish.
Nothing to do for us except be aware, watch and listen and pray to God we get an end to this conflict soon.
“So far, they haven’t once been able to follow through on much of anything.”
“Since the 1979 Islamic Revolution, one of the key priorities of the Iranian regime has been exporting its revolution abroad. Designated a sponsor of terror by the U.S. government in 1984, Iran is considered the “foremost state sponsor of terrorism,” providing “a range of support, including financial, training, and equipment, to [terrorist] groups around the world – particularly Hezbollah,” according to the U.S. State Department.
Tehran has used its proxy army of more than a dozen militias and terror groups across the Middle East with outposts around the world to help foment instability, carry out attacks, and expand the scope of the Islamic Revolution. Those groups, some with their own political parties to infiltrate or take over local governments, answer to Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), a paramilitary body formed in 1979 to protect Iran’s fundamentalist regime. Its special operations unit, the elite Quds Force, has provided arms, training, and financial support to militias and political movements across the Middle East: Bahrain, Iraq, Lebanon, the Palestinian Territories, Syria, and Yemen.”
Also look up the Buenos Ares attacks, sponsored by Iran and carried out by Iran proxy, “Lebanese” Hezbollah:
https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/diplomacy-and-international-relations/terrorists-attack-israeli-embassy-and
And what exactly would you pray to God for while Trump contemplates murdering the clergy of Iran and bringing more death and destruction to God’s followers? Let me suggest prayers for forgiveness of our sins and for straying so far away from his commandments.
The late Shah’s son –first I’ve heard from Iran’s royal family in a very very long time.
He has occaisonally been on Maria Bartiromo’s shows for several years now
Him and his sons are very fine human beings in real life, regardless of the politics.
Impressive. We are going to restore a monarchy to Iran. Does that mean the King of England gets back his colony and Iran’s natural resources?
We can continue to pretend that we are not already involved in a war, but the enemy always gets a vote. In this case, Iran has been at war with us for more than forty-five years and, at the very least, they reiterate their determination to destroy the US every week, during Friday prayers. The number of our dead at the hands of this regime continues to escalate. And, the assassination plots and attempts on our leadership continues unabated. Besides, we supply Israel with planes, ordinance, training, intelligence and assistance, by way of shooting down incoming rockets and drones. We are, by definition, at war with Iran! The relevant question is … should we, or should we not escalate?
The question of whether Iran would have nuclear-capable rockets and ICBMs next week, next month, or next year is irrelevant. We are already well acquainted with their goals and aspirations, as well as their intransigence. Whether Israel’s timing was less than optimal is also now irrelevant, as the toothpaste is now already out of the tube and there is no way to put it back, eh?
The real outstanding issues are: what does victory look like? This MUST NOT be an afterthought! Also, is our plan to leave as robust as our plan to escalate? Are we prepared to fight a protracted land war against insurgents who will be committing guerrilla-style hit and run attacks, while the Iranians attempt to create new governing institutions? Have we learned the lesson that we can not dictate what a new Iranian government looks like, nor can we impose a new president, or king (again!) on the Iranian people, or will we attempt to spread Western-style democracy all over the fruited plain? Also, are we prepared to for Iran’s sleeper cells to begin systematically attacking targets inside our own borders, thereby causing mass causality events, here at home? These questions and more must be addressed, before any escalation is contemplated! If we can’t answer them, then escalation must be avoided at all costs!!!
For what it’s worth, I’m not so sure that making a martyr out of “The Supreme Leader” is the best course of action. He should be arrested and held until the Iranians have an opportunity to form a government and decide what should be done with him. IMHO, the Supreme Leader would be smart to accept Russia’s offer and get the hell out of Iran while the gettin’s good.
I would also submit that MOABs and bunker busters are not the only possible solution. Israel has air superiority. When the time is right, they could easily drop special forces demolition teams at the “troublesome locations” to destroy these facilities from the inside. Smartly done, this would minimize the radiation risks that would otherwise be caused by air-dropped munitions. Since the US Air Force hates the A-10 Warthog so much, I expect that we could lease a few to Israel to fly cap over their special forces, while they are on the ground. While they may indeed be radical extremists, no troops, including the IRGC will want any parts of an encounter with A-10’s. In an environment where you own the skies, the most frighting sound to the enemy is the brrrrrr of the A-10’s 30mm rotary cannon!
“In this case, Iran has been at war with us for more than forty-five years and, at the very least, they reiterate their determination to destroy the US every week, during Friday prayers.”
How many attacks have they landed on the homeland, in those 45 years?
Do you discount completely the use of proxies to bomb & murder Americans at many locations throughout the Middle East and Europe for over 40 years? That would be the ground rule where your question has premise.
Please remember history (9-11) and the lovely little poem in Arabic that begins ,”I will fight with my brother,” and ends with “At the end of the day, Islam is one.”
Then count the international losses to the aforementioned ideology, whether carried out by Iranian citizens or not, linked to financial backing from Saudi Arabia (oil) and Iran (more oil) which are in turn linked by the philosophical tenets, if you will, contained in the little poem.
Other cards on the power broker’s table: There is enough oil deep under Saudi Arabia to supply the world at circa 2000 levels of consumption for the next thousand years. There is enough thick goopy oil under the Bakken (as opposed to maple syrupy “sweet crude” under Texas) to supply the U.S. for at least another century. That’s before you add in Texas inland, gulf offshore (or any offshore, for that matter; who needs those derrecks that leak and look ugly?) and Alaska.
We don’t need Middle East oil. We have our own. We don’t need their real estste. What we need with the Middle East is for the hostile ideology in that region to be made unable to harm us, not kept at bay until the next time.
“At the end of the day, Islam is one.”
Nicely put, DW.
Israel has smaller bunker busters which they could use to bust open the tunnel entrances. They know how to deal with tunnels
I beg to disagree. We have been at war against the Iranian government since 1979 when they broke the last shackles of colonial rule. Iran has never sought to destroy our government nor kill us. Rather the reverse is true. Americans are full of propaganda and empty of knowledge of a different culture, a very religious and moral one, who worships the same God that we do. We are so removed from our maker and our own roots as a country, that we without thought, call the Ayatollahs radical, religious fanatics, extremists, etc. The same could and is said by many of our Pope. The clergy’s role in the Iranian government is to ensure it follows their religious beliefs from the Quran and is moral. By their belief, self defense of themselves or others is morally justified. We use to have the same value but lost it somewhere. By government, I mean the one that Iranians democratically elect. They do just happen to have a president. His name is Masoud Pezeshkian. Note that our arch enemy in Iran are the clergy, not the laymen. As I listened to Trump yesterday state he is considering assassinating those Ayatollahs, I wondered if it will be by crucifixion. There is a reason they call US the Great Satan.
The talk of our great bombs and control of air space is nothing but arrogance and hubris. When I went to sleep last night, those Iranian missiles were flying uninterrupted through Iranian and Israelian air space. We already used those MOABS, great bombs on Iran. Iranians are highly intelligent. Do you really think they would not dig deep enough to escape them?
Know this. Come the moment that we attack Iran, Iran will be in its moral right to attack us back with their superior hypersonic weapons and they will. Are you ready to die so to free Iran of its faith in God? I am not.
There are international flights leaving America every hour of every day. Find yourself one, you anti-American twatwaffle.
Inappropriate comment.
Broke the last shackles of colonial rule? And their chants are “death to America” Is that the religious belief you are justifying? Is the Koran for their treatment of women and gays in their society? Iran elected someone democratically? That is a new one. Can you tell me why they aren’t using their superior hypersonic missiles now?
Sorry – cannot agree with your conceptualization of God, which underpins your arguments. The God of Islam is not the God of the Judeo-Christian tradition.
“We all worship the God of Abraham” is a deception. We know who the deceiver is. Problem with deception is, the deceived don’t know they’re being deceived.
Please look up the Abomination of Desolation in a good Bible concordance and go from there.
One interesting fact: By the time you take the prophesies in Daniel that foretell the dates in the Hebrew calendar and transpose them to our calendar, the Abomination of Desolation is first revealed on earth at 632 AD.
That’s the year Mohammed and his Merry Men first rode into a Jewish village and raped all the women and slaughtered the children in front of their parents and then went on to kill everybody. Thewy’re still doing it. They did again starting October 7
That’s enough for now; I pray for the light to outshine the darkness.
It takes training to fly an A-10. A YouTube video and 2 hours in the cockpit won’t do.
Which opens the question: What other nation, besides ours, can fly the A-10? Other nations can fly our fighter-bombers, but can they fly our air-ground “support” (seek and destroy) weapon? As an A-10 pilot told me, “If you’re on the ground and an A-10 sees you, you’re dead.”
Does Israel have pilots who can fly A-10’s? Israel has fighter bombers; does it have A-10’s? And if not, why not?
Could the answer possibly be that A-10’s would make short work of any ground invasion – anywhere – and the U.S. military-industrial-political trifecta doesn’t want that, as it makes more money from prolonged wars?
I don’t have the answer. Maybe Blinken and Graham et al does.
As an aside: Guys who heard both noises tell me that the bursts from an AC-130 gunship are absolutely the worst thing you canb hear if you’r close to the target area. The noise of a A-10 coming in is unmistakable and means certain death if you’re the target, but you don’t know what you’ll hear next: cannon bursts, or a explosion when an weapon carried under the wings finds its target. But I digress.
True, that A-10 cannon is an awesome thing – even recording air-to-air kills.
As to nuke contamination, has that risk already been breeched?
I’d view the installation of underground ventilation (bunker busters) in subterranean palaces as an anti-personnel move and/or a munitions storage disarmament procedure (remember Fallujah? Once detonated, the chain-reaction explosions as weapons stored underground went on for 45 minutes) and/or a possible nuke disablement operation, but that’d be low priority IMO.
Which raises another question: How much yellow cake uranium does Iran have in its posession? Enough for enrichment development, or enough to make a bunch of bombs?
The questions boil down to what does Massad know, and how will Trump treat that intelligence, and how does it all fit into the Biblical prophesy that we see being inerrantly played out before our eyes?
Watch and pray. Pray a lot, and get caught up on your reading if youi haven’t already.
Meanwhile, add this to your must-read:
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114698784693311065
Steady my friends, and keep then faith. God bless!
Dose up on iodine. May God protect all those in Israel tonight.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/06/report-iran-state-media-issues-terrifying-warning-about/
REPORT: Iran State Media Issues Terrifying Warning About a ‘Surprise Tonight that the World Will Remember for Centuries’
Israelis pilot in the custody…likely…
Dear Iran,
Few will be surprised if you try to nuke Israel.
Few will be surprised if you nuke Tehran and try to blame it on Israel.
Nobody at all will be surprised if this is once again all head-diaper and no goat.
And “The World” has the attention span of a gnat.
Good luck!
Honest2Betsy
With reports of more inbound missile and air defense activity in Israel this evening, I’m noting what I call an airborne control tower, the E3 Sentry, operating off the Israeli coast. Hex 3bravo77deltadelta.
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=3b77dd
Interesting that it’s French.
No no no no no no no
JD Vance says a few times in his post “I have yet to see a single good argument…..”
I think that what we’re looking at in Iran today has a whole lot to do with Valerie Jarrett, John Kerry and the Obama crew.
I realize that they are all puppets, but these puppets have gotten that “Iran Ball” a long way down the field over the course of our lives- this is the bottom line.
So whoever those people answer to, they’ve gotten us to where we are right now, today. And that says a lot, a lot that we should be talking about.
I think that in how JD Vance says “I’ve yet to see a single good argument” is also meant to belittle the ambitions of that Obama crew and these handlers– he’s saying that whatever they’ve been thinking and doing, it’s not a good argument= BOOM!
Next: I know this won’t be popular here with a lot of people, BUT I want to remind you all that the Republican Tent is a large tent, and it grows larger and more diverse the more that we pick up former Democrat voters.
These are the facts here and the overall point is to grow our majority so that we can amass more wins and power.
This means there will be many opinions.. and unlike the Left, we don’t silence people or censor them.
So get ready and don’t go wobbly.
I know a lot of people are mad about what POTUS is doing, I see a lot of people here saying “We voted to not get into anymore wars” and “Trump is going to lose on this” etc.
I think that line of thinking in this day and age, following the Covid fallout, which is far from over, then four years of the Biden disaster- which is a global disaster- to think we can do nothing and say ‘you are on your own’, that is fantasyland thinking, that is not Reality at all.
Thankfully, this mentality is in the minority.
Boston Radio’s Howie Carr has a large audience up here on the East Coast, he’s now semi-retired and based half the year in Florida, so he’s a pretty popular man.
He does his “Poll Question Of The Day” to take the temperature of where the audience is at on topics of the day.
Today, he asked about what people wanted to do about all this.
The choices were to do nothing, to provide the bunker busters and equipment needed for the Israelis, or to get right in there and take over and get it done ourselves.
The majority of the audience was in favor of giving the Israelis what they need to carry out the mission and get this done.
He took caller after caller that verbalized these feelings.
There was a good one that said “Listen Howie, enough is enough, we’ve been playing around with Iran and dealing with this Iran problem for some 46 years now, it’s time to get this done and over with”.
I think that this is where most people are at.
Next: Imo, JD Vance makes a good point when he mentions at the end about the last 25 years of foreign entanglements and our idiotic foreign policy.
I think we need to understand that like any tool, there is the right way to use it and the wrong way to use it.. and we all know what happens when it’s used the wrong way.
Unfortunately, we’ve got a couple generations now that have seen nothing in their lives but our Military tool being used the wrong way.
And to use it the right way, doesn’t mean not using it at all.
I’m a real believer in Peace Through Strength and I think that Donald Trump is too.
Sometimes we need to flex our muscles to bring about order and respect and then the dust settles to allow peace to set in..
I don’t think that POTUS is going back on his word or campaign promises at all.
He’s going to do this as it should be done, he’s going to use the Military tool the right way and we need to see what this looks like to continue this so that we can turn a corner.
Imo the best, fastest and safest way for us to get this done, over, and dealt with permanently is to support the Israelis in getting the job done, period.
Send in the bunker busters, end their ability to move towards creating nuclear weapons and free the Iranians while we’re at it.
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Most people have no idea what “Enriching Uranium” even is or means.
I was so glad that JD Vance spelled this out in plain language- finally.
The word Abortion is used to hide the fact from the public what it really is.
If we called it what it was, a whole lot less people would support it and fall for the trickery from calling it a sanitized word.
The same exact method is happening here when for decades now we’ve called it “Uranium Enrichment”.
They are working towards creating a nuclear weapon, period, that is what this is.
This is what it’s always been and we should be calling it what it is, stop pretending as Sundance says.
It’s quite possible that the public would be far more understanding and supportive of what it is that is happening here today if they fully understood this point, if they fully and clearly understood just what exactly has been going on.
I thought JD Vance’s post was excellent, clarifying and provided a lot to think about.
We elected Donald Trump and now we need to support and trust him to get this all straightened out as he sees it’s best to do.
Thank you for an excellent post.
Well said, NHnative.
TRump told us from the get-go “IRAN CANNOT HAVE NUKES.”
That does NOT mean he said he believed in nation building.
He said he preferred talking over fighting, but he made clear that sometimes others don’t really WANT to talk and they don’t negotiate in good faith.
So, anyone trying to make an argument to me that Trump is contradicting himself is a damn liar, no better than a dem liar.
Then we go surfing in HB.
To each his own reading, understanding and discernment.Source : https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/06/new-poll-finds-60-americans-majority-republicans-oppose/
…. »Still, of the 1,512 survey respondents, only 16% support U.S. involvement in the war, with 60% opposed and 24% are not sure. The opposition to U.S. involvement includes 65% of Democrats, 61% of Independents, and 53% of Republicans
Only 23% of Republicans and 19% of those who say they voted for Trump say they support U.S. involvement.
https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_CyorzxR.pdf#page48
Meanwhile, 56% of the 1,511 surveyed, including 58% of Democrats, 51% of independents, and 61% of Republicans, say the U.S. should negotiate with Iran.
https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_CyorzxR.pdf#page48
63% of Trump voters said that the U.S. should negotiate instead of resorting to war. Only 18% of Trump voters say that the U.S. should not negotiate with Iran.
Trump supporters tend to favor threatening sanctions on Iran (42%) over threatening Iran with military force (30%).
As The Gateway Pundit reported, President Trump was potentially weighing a strike on Iran during a meeting with his national security team in the Situation Room on Tuesday afternoon.
Mr. Trump should still take the time to read the intelligence report. Nethanyaou has been whining about Iran’s imminent possession of a nuclear bomb for over 30 years Same rhetoric as Al Gore’s global warming …. The USNI report, not the CIA’s or Lyndsay Graham’s. https://news.usni.org/2025/03/26/2025-annual-threat-assessment-of-the-u-s-intelligence-community And comments on the IAEA reportIAEA chief rebuffs Trump, says no evidence Iran is building nuclear weaponshttps://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2025/06/18/749985/iaea-chief-rebuffs-trump-admits-no-evidence-iran-building-nuclear-weapons
One of my all time favorites……
https://xcancel.com/AmyMek/status/831936797001318401#m
Woke = community organizer. MAGA Realist = Dope smoking, twisted phony agitator!
His older brother Yonatan was the lone Israeli commando killed during the Entebbe raid.
the Bushification is nearly complete.
Exactly right Muley Bulley. Vance lays the groundwork for Trump to break one of his three major campaign promises for Israel, who 80% of Americans don’t even want to send weapons let alone go to war for. Wash, rinse, repeat and another Imperial Crusade in the desert. Giant black pill moment for me.
Be interesting to see you source that phantasy stat.
Hi Hoo vol. Here you go:
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/04/08/how-americans-view-israel
The only group with positive favorables on Israel are boomer republicans lol. The rest of the country, or the other 80% have both unfavorable opinions and think we do too much for them. Too much definitely includes supplying weapons to kill Palestinian women, children, and Christians.
You are using Pew research?
Gimme a break and stop parroting this bullshit narrative about Boomer Republicans- you forgot the part about them all being rich and white.
An April poll, before all this started. That’s what polls are: a snap-shot in time.
I think it wiser to wait until we get a poll attempting to measure America’s view AFTER the first wave began, as Americans can shift their opinions within a short period of time if more information is provided.
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(Throws in “Christians” for good measure in case we’re not sufficiently overwraught by the “Palestinian women and children” propaganda.)
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I find it interesting how people who normally hate Christians will throe in the “killing Christians” into the argument when its suits their purpose. As if they care a jot about Christians.
I am a boomer Republican from Nixon to Trump with a deter to Ron Paul, one year.
3rd generation. I do not want the US involved in any kind of war with Iran. The Us track record in Viet Nam and Iraq and Syria just means more dead bodies coming home. We ham strung our soldiers in Viet Nam with ill advised longitudinal/latitudinal limits. The Bushes lied us into Iraq over WMDs that were never found. Maybe they were moved, maybe not. We have been paying for wars we can’t/won’t win overseas my entire adult life. I am done with this nonsense. I believe in a strong military as a deterrent to would be aggressors, but, cooler heads than Netanyahu should weigh the odds of winning what we are fighting for. The Russian’s hypersonic tech and drones have changed the battle field just like planes and tanks before them. Our recent, justified bout with the Houthi’s proved that we are not ready for this. Maybe one day, it will be necessary to deal with Iran militarily, but our war footing today is precarious and ill advised.
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Remember why the Crusades were started “Deus Vult”? This is not about Israel.
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Its all your fault. This would not be happening if you had voted for karmarlaa.
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What if DJT is pushing this so hard and being more verbally aggressive because he knows that Iran is a CIA controlled state?
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Iran is a mullah-controlled theocracy that funds terrorism around the world.
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Are you certain that only the mullahs are financing global terrorism? One wonders about the role of the CIA and its sex cache, USAID.https://archive.ph/uQo0Z
https://archive.org/stream/10ALQAEDATRAININGMANUELOperationCyclone1979179_201610/How%20CIA%20Created%20AlQaeda%20and%20ISIS/Al-Qaeda-%20From%20%E2%80%97The%20Base%E2%80%98%20to%20Global%20Database%20A%20History%20Of%20Strategic%20Virtualisation-73_djvu.txt
https://www.seattletimes.com/news/cia-cash-helped-replenish-al-qaida-coffers-letters-reveal/
https://pjmedia.com/victoria-taft/2025/02/03/usaid-paid-taliban-and-al-qaeda-n4936641
From Robert Barnes
https://xcancel.com/barnes_law/status/1935028277401534696#m
An answer to @JDVance —
First, a credit to the Vice President for publicly discussing the core issue in the dispute, opening himself up to public responses, and engaging the American people in a direct way on a question of such consequence as war.
Second, Vance leaves unaddressed the reason for global skepticism — the long pattern of US lies to induce us into foolish wars, Netanyahu’s 3-decade history of false claims about WMDs in Iraq or Iran, and America’s repeated efforts at regime change across the mideastern world for a century;
Third, the big issue unaddressed by Vance — the utility, necessity and legality of military intervention as the means of enforcing Trump’s “no nukes for Iran” plan and whether that is even what Israel is currently doing (rather than regime change) — is a bit of an elephant in the room, but likely the kind of conversation held behind closed doors, so it’s absence here in this public forum is understandable;
Now, to Vance’s points:
1/ The Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (a treaty designed by us principally and signed by almost every nation on earth, including Iran, but not Israel) gives Iran “the inalienable right to develop, research, production and use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes without discrimination” & the concomitant “right to participate in the fullest possible exchange of equipment, materials and scientific and technological information for the peaceful uses of nuclear energy”;
2/ Vance focuses his and the President’s concern over Iran’s development of highly enriched uranium (HEU, 20%+);
3/ Vance states he and the President are “yet to see a good argument for why Iran needed to enrich uranium well above the threshold for civilian use”;
4/ It appears the Trump admin seeks to interpret the NPT to prohibit “defense” from “peaceful” use by focusing on “civil” purposes rather than “peaceful” purposes, but it is noteworthy that the treaty doesn’t make this civil/defense distinction;
5/ HEU has been recognized as having a potentially peaceful purpose, and is how the US itself provided it to other states consistent with the treaty;
6/ Iran announced years ago its intent to develop HEU to supply nuclear medicine, and HEU is useful for developing an integral element in that, such as Moly99;
7/ Still, Vance has good reasons to be skeptical of Iran’s purpose, because the pattern is Iran doubling down on more HEU and at higher levels of enrichment as a response to sanctions or sabotage attacks;
8/ Iran’s regime long chants “Death to Israel” & “Death to America”, so such skepticism takes a new turn in the context of Iran;
9/ That said, Iran also has reason to be skeptical of America, because the last time they did a deal with the US, Trump tore it up, and the last time a mideast leader gave up his ability to make Nukes, he got sodomized by bayonet as US dropped bombs on his country (the Gadaffi problem remains a big problem for nuclear nonproliferation);
10/ Respectfully, anointing ourselves the nuke police (while we often ignore the NPT for allies Israel and India, tear up nuclear deals whenever it conveniences us, and remain the only nation in the world to actually use nukes) is a dubious role, arguably better suited to other nations that have more global credibility on the topic.
In sum, Iran does have an argument its HEU has a peaceful purpose, using the US’s own prior actions related thereto, just as Vance is correct that the US has a right to be skeptical. This is a reason for negotiated outcomes working w/ third parties like Russia (who have credibility in Iran but also oppose Iran getting nukes) more than it justifies unilateral military attacks against another nation or a a rush to a regime change war.
Thanks for the Robert Barnes post!
Richard Baris (The People’s Pundit) had a long conversation with Vice President JD Vance, after he reached out to Baris earlier today, to understand the political implications / fallout of this war:
Mideast Wars Will Fracture the Trump Coalition: Between the Numbers
We are in the minority on this forum. So be it. I see stalwarts like Hokkoda and a few others fighting the good fight.
This ‘rag tag bunch of conservative misfits’ is afflicted with Stockholm Syndrome. Sad!
Do the chicken-hawks here hate their kids and grandkids that much that they’re willing to sacrifice them for Israel?
How quick everyone here forgot which foreign leader stabbed President Trump in the back in 2020 by being quick off the mark in congratulating Biden.
The same leader who thwarted the talks that should have continued this past Sunday. MIGA!
Enjoy the mid-terms…
I don’t think anybody here realized that “Trump will find optimal solutions” meant “we’ll be at war with Iran by July”.
The speed with which people have tossed aside one of Pres Trump’s marquee campaign promises is quite breathtaking.
Unless Bibi wins this war outright / or Trump hangs him out to dry if he begins losing (while Iran levels Tel Aviv), like JFK did with the group that landed at the Bay of Pigs, Baris says it is over. The easy decision would have been to tell Bibi no, it will be immeasurably more difficult to say no to Bibi when bombs are landing in his backyard.
Amazing that JD Vance had the good sense to reach out to Baris, lets hope he can reverse this.
Israel can’t win the war outright for the same reason all air wars can’t be won outright. At some point, you must gain and hold territory. Then grind the enemy down until he sues for peace on your terms or surrenders.
See also: Ukraine.
Without US military intervention and regime change and occupation, Iran will wait until Israel runs out of munitions. Then they’ll start the long process of rebuilding. And next time they won’t wait. They just start launching missiles.
Boggles my mind that people can’t bring themselves to ask one simple question, three times.
And then what?
And then what?
And then what?
When I pose those questions, I get met by the Underpants Gnomes.
Defeating Iran is not the mission. You are making up a mission that doesn’t exist. The mission is to destroy Iran’s capability to get nuclear weapons.
This is a defensive war. If Israel and the USA succeed the “then what” is that Iran can no longer threaten to destroy Israel or other allies. That’s it. No greater mission. No occupation, no installation of a new government. No boots on the ground.
There is no need for a ground campaign beyond the very limited Israeli espionage operations inside Iran.
If Israel and the USA comprehensively destroy Iran’s nuclear capability then they will put the Mullahs desire for nuclear weapons back by at least a decade. If the Iranians overthrow the Mullahs after the war then a new regime might eschew the quest for nuclear weapons completely.
The greater risk is to follow the Obama and Biden approach of placating Iran right up until it has nuclear weapons. That is a failed approach that will embolden Iran and dramatically increase the likelihood of war and Iran directly threatening or attacking US interests.
And then what?
They’ll rebuild and keep going. And they’ll refuse to let inspectors in next time. And they’ll test a nuke like Pakistan did, and shock everyone. Then, having learned what “negotiations with America” means, they’ll just use the nukes instead.
And, IIRC, refusal to allow inspectors into Iraq was used as justification for the 2003 invasion.
Once you start down this path, all roads lead to a full on war.
And then what?
The older you become, the less invested you are in the future. Hence the paucity of decent answers. Also how many kids does Lindsey Gay-ham have?
In the absence of any substantial responses coming from the bloodthirstier Treepers, here is a Zerohedge article that poses 3 scenarios:
Trump Is Falling Into Hersh’s Prophetic ‘The Redirection’ Trap On Iran: 3 Views On What’s Next
It’s not just age. It’s people having fewer children living in a Nation of Alien Strangers.
This thing with Iran is just another TV show for Normie-Con. What people in other countries understand is that America is big on bombs but gets bored quickly.
I described the Kamala Harris gaslighting last August as “shock and awe”, predicting she would start to crash by September as the effects wore off. All Trump had to do was be patient.
That’s where Iran is today. Eventually, Israel will run out of bombs, the pace will slow, and Iran – a large country with 90M people mostly under 35 – will rebound.
Hence the massive push for the US to enter the war. And the empty promises to “trust us” without ANY specifics on what comes next.
See this comment.
I do agree with you. Alas age is a big part of it. I would love it to be directly correlated with wisdom but there are too many disappointing counter-examples.
Everyone knows someone of advanced years who’s been a scam or fraud victim. Plus they’re more vulnerable to fear-mongering. Around that ouroboros goes…
Take your mutual lovefest somewhere else.
Is your bedroom available?
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Remember when Trump dropped a MOAB while having lunch at Mar-a-Lago with Xi Jinping? He’s anti-war but that doesn’t mean passive do-nothing peacenik.
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In response to…?
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If I recall correctly, Islamic State militants were hanging out in caves.
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His reasons for doing that had to do with working with Xi for the benefit of the US from a position of dominance. Trump did something similar in dealing with Syria, when he bombed the hell out of a former chemical facility. This Iran deal is an entirely different ball game. It is not for the benefit of the US. It is not limited in scope. There is a very high likelihood it will embroil us in a long term, unwinnable war in the ME or worse engulf the entire world in WW3. Trump is right about standing strong militarily means not having to fight quite often. Involving the US in Israel’s war is far more likely to lead to WW3 than peaceful resolution. It smells of the same mess that was Viet Nam and the Iraq war. Let’s not be quick to repeat such folly.
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This isn’t about Netanyahu or Israel.
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What is it about then?
And why did their strike have to happen when it did?
Their timing made a fool of of President Trump, coming on the heels of the Russian Base attack.
As I alluded earlier Bibi already stabbed him in the back in Nov 2020.
He sure spends a lot of time on TV and giving speeches in English when it’s not about him or Israel.
Oh right, it’s about drawing America into their war.
No one is forcing you to stay here and dribble on the counters.
On the contrary, since COVID I am fascinated with mass psychosis and cognitive dissonance. Here we are again, and it’s compelling.
We are on the brink – a wrong move and there will be no MAGA after this. Watch the Rich Baris stream linked above.
His point: no coalition = no power. Bye-bye MI
Israel’s interests / campaign promises of No New Wars. Pick one.
Others have and will do come the midterms and beyond and all our hopes will be in the past tense.
I’m a huge Robert Barnes fan.
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The entire crux of his post here is about the results following the signing of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.
Well that was in 1968.
Dontcha think that point is kinda a big deal given what this world now looks like today?
Consider what 1968 looked like and what today looks like.
I think this matters a lot.
And what good is any treaty with people that want us dead?
Who thought of that idea anyway?
I remember reading an excellent article by Pat Buchanan that explained that many of these treaties are now out of date and have been weaponized and used to push agendas (to monetize) that have nothing at all to do with what they were originally created for.. he made the case for ending them.
So wouldn’t this be treaty be one of those perhaps?
Shouldn’t we even talk about this point?
And if we’re not going to be the nuke police, then who will be?
Don’t we all agree after seeing what Biden did to the entire planet that there needs to be one?
So who can do that?
Can Russia- given the way half this country feels about Russia?
Can Communist China- that openly plans on controlling the entire planet..
Who exactly can be the nuke police if not us?
I’m very sick of the lack of common sense.. most choices in life are picking between the Bad or the Worse- and this is reality.
I remember reading an excellent article by Pat Buchanan that explained that many of these treaties are now out of date…
Pat Buchanan? Seriously?
Watch the Baris stream that Anon linked above, included is a clip in which Pat eviscerates Hannity over Israel.
Good choices are quite rare in life.
Excellent response by the great Robert Barnes! Thank you for posting this!
Thank you for reading it and commenting.
Though it does sadden me that, as far as I could tell at the time I posted it, Barnes’ response hadn’t yet been shared here.
The irony! SD talks about silos and yet here we are on CTH, with salivating chickenhawk boomers (I will make that assumption, as they obviously care little of the future compared to their younger cohorts, else they would think much differently) comfortable in their airtight zionist echo-chambers eschewing any POV different from their own.
Bannon, Poso, Barnes, Baris and The Duran and even Cackling Qatarlson are oases of sanity in this crazy, amnesiac and deeply regrettable time.
For foreign policy opinion, turn to an attorney. Uhh… no.
Actually he was my 2nd choice as your rabbi was not available.
I don’t begrudge you for the side you take as some bonds are unbreakable but at least be honest about it.
Iran getting a taste of its own proxy medicine in fight against Israel.
The 2015 JCPOA was working: it froze Iran’s nuclear program, enabled rigorous inspections, and reduced tensions. President Trump’s 2018 withdrawal under pressure from Israel’s government, U.S. domestic politics, and allies like Saudi Arabia, who opposed any deal preserving Iran’s nuclear infrastructure, sparked the current crisis, with Iran enriching uranium to 60% and talks stalled since the 2022 Vienna negotiations. That’s not leadership; it’s undermining progress.
Iran’s enrichment isn’t just about reactors, but also about achieving self-sufficiency. Expecting a sovereign nation to rely on foreign nuclear fuel after decades of sanctions, cyberattacks, and assassinations is unrealistic. No country would cede that much control over its energy security.
Iran didn’t arbitrarily escalate enrichment. It began after the U.S. withdrew and reapplied sanctions, prompting Iran to enrich to higher levels by 2021. These violations, while reversible, responded to a broken deal, though Iran’s regional actions, like militia support, also fueled tensions. Both sides share blame for this cycle, but the U.S. ignited it.
The IAEA confirmed Iran’s compliance until the U.S. exit in 2018. Only then did Iran reduce cooperation, as expected. Violations stem from a collapsed framework, and it’s misleading to blame Iran alone while ignoring who dismantled the deal.
The administration’s approach of drone strikes, retaliatory operations, and regional escalation has heightened risks for U.S. troops. That’s not restraint; it’s calculated brinkmanship, endangering lives.
After decades of foreign policy missteps, Americans are justified in being skeptical. President Trump is now working to address a crisis his decisions helped create. That’s not strength; it’s damage control.
For non-proliferation and peace, diplomacy, accountability, and honoring agreements are the path forward, not threats or military action. We had a working deal. Trump, influenced by Israeli pressure, U.S. political dynamics, and regional allies, abandoned it. That remains the core issue.
No need to type another word of your huge wall of text after the first silly sentence.
Fair enough — but if you’re dismissing facts because they don’t fit your narrative, that says more about your position than mine.
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“The 2015 JCPOA was working…”
Oh yeah, Obama was a flippin’ pro-America genius. (Love all the “real names” here of late doing anti-Trump trolling…)
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You don’t have to think Obama was a genius to admit that pulling out of a working deal without a backup plan was reckless. This isn’t about team sports — it’s about avoiding another avoidable disaster in the Middle East.
Ben forgot to type “I voted for Trump…”. 😁
“The 2015 JCPOA was working”?!? Its aim was to delay Iran acquiring nuclear bombs until B. Hussein was out of office. It did do that.
If the JCPOA was just a stall tactic, why did every major U.S. ally, the IAEA, and even top U.S. military officials support it? Because it imposed strict inspections, capped enrichment, and rolled back Iran’s stockpile — all verifiable. If you want to criticize it, fine — but at least be honest about what it did. It bought time, reduced risk, and had enforcement mechanisms. That’s a better starting point than pretending no deal is somehow stronger.
Ben, it was nothing more than a typical leftist/Dem kick-the-can-down-the-road approach.
I now have a better nuanced understanding. I am with you Sundance & President Trump.
Bombs away!
Read the G7 summit agreed no nukes for iran – FINALLY
Wow!
why not put a titanium stake or two into the Mtn?
If my mother were alive today, she would be celebrating the possible annellation of the post 70s Iranian regime.
Me, it’s going to be what it’s going to be. If it works out well it works out well and if it doesn’t it doesn’t, and we will live with the consequences. Positive or negative. I will pray for the positive.
“VP Vance puts out a statement about DNI Tulsi Gabbard”….
Why does Vance need to cover for President Trump’s statements. He shouldn’t have to do that. The President’s statement about Tulsi Gabbard was ill advised and unnecessary. HE should be the one walking it back. Too often lately his mouth is getting ahead of his brain. There, I got that off my chest.
“I don’t care what she said…” kinda says it all.
Yup, not a good response. If you don’t care what your DNI says you probably need a new DNI. However, word on the street is that the very fake news, hysterical drive by media purposefully took Tulsi’s statement out of context.
Slow down everyone. Peace through victory doesn’t mean the U.S. is going to war.
Wow.
Namecall much?
I didn’t vote for President Trump to be my best friend, to be interested in dating my daughter, or to be my neighbor, or even have an occasional drink with to get his take on things, I voted for him because I agreed with him on most of the issues and trust that he will do the right thing even when no one is looking or when the rest of us are sleeping.
I didn’t vote for Tucker Carlson, Rand Paul, Mark, Levin, Glenn Beck or even Sundance. I voted for President Trump to make these decisions therefore no matter what decision our president makes. I will support it.
Interesting article: one quoted expert says it would take multiple strikes from MOPs ot have a chance of destroying the faciliy at Fordow nuclear site in Iran which has the cetrifuges and thaT EVEN IF THEY weRE DESTROYED, there are other facilities with such centrifuges.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/17/middleeast/iran-fordow-nuclear-site-latam-hnk-intl
Yep, that’s my “And then what?” point. There will be calls to go after this target. Then that one. Then regime change. Then US ground troops (Israel ain’t gonna do it) fronting a facade-coalition of 1% Arab forces.
Like I wrote yesterday, I now realize how stupid I sounded in 2004.
Tulsi Gabbard Breaks Silence After Trump Publicly Rebukes Her Over Her Iran Nuclear Program
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/06/tulsi-gabbard-breaks-silence-after-trump-publicly-refutes
When asked by a reporter when Mr. Netanyahu called him to inform him of the strike on Iran, Mr. Trump said there was no call, that he basically knew all along what the game plan was… All of this Kabuki Theater about Daisy Cutter bombs is here to prepare the US citizenry for the actual “assist” Israel needs destroying Iranian nuclear sites. Conservative news media has trumpeted relentlessly the need to stop Iran from making nukes now AND in the future. I suspect the decision was part of “the plan” from long ago to hit Iran and use US ordinance to take out deeply buried sites.
Which means the negotiations were a ruse.
If I’m Putin, I’m making a hit list of Ukrainian government officials before the United States “negotiates” more.
I don’t think this were a ruse at all. Trump knew, so he gave them a chance and he can tout that as to why Israel hit them one day after 60. We don’t have to like it but it is factual.
My good friends:
Dropping 30,000 bunker bombs from 30,000 feet for the sole purpose of creating craters where weapons grade nuclear-enriching equipment is at work to put weapons grade uranium at the beck and call of a Jihadi-filled “better 40 black-eyed maidens dripping with milk and honey in the next life than one living Israeli left alive in this one” Supreme Leader is not the equivalent of 1) an invasion of US Marines onto the beaches of Vietnam (1965 onward) or 2) an invasion of US Marines into the middle east (2002 onward).
Forget about the indisputable backdoor designs of those actions from ruthless compromised insane politicians without a thought or care for America. This POTUS is not those POTI.
The fact is, Iran leadership is obsessed with nuclear capability. You like your life as it is? You like the global supply chain? You enjoying your life overall and want your kids and grandkids and friends to continue doing the same? This is not just Israel’s concern. Most of you, too, are infidels. First the Ayatollah and his lab-coated fellow paradise-or-bust believers came for the Israelis, and we did nothing; then they came for us, and there was no one left…
You wouldn’t argue with someone trying to prevent a madman from acquiring a case of grenades. Extrapolate.
The buck stops somewhere.
Fear mongering.
We already know from Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Egypt – what happens when we start down the “it’s just a few bombs” path.
One if my favorite lies we will get told at some point is there are “no boots on the ground”.
Trump will be told the B2’s can take out that underground bunker. Then, either that won’t work (more bombs) it it will and he’ll be told “but there are more!”
What the neocons are playing is the old game of “if you give a mouse a cookie”. If they can bait Trump into bombers, they’ll use his pride against him because: “Winning!” to draw him in further.
It’s not even hard to understand. We’ve seen it so many times over the last 60-70 years.
Ancient civilizations are ancient because they play the long game.
Their adversaries play the news cycle.
The betting windows are now closed.
Doesn’t feel right. We have so many problems of our own do we really need to look around the globe for more? I think we would benefit far greater from some perp walks within the deep state or even straightening out our election system. Even better yet raining in our justice system.
So this is a problem we were looking around the globe for? Seriously? How about 1979 and Jimmy Carter? Iran has not destabilized the entire Muslim world.
It’s starting to look like the people commenting here are either young and ignorant or anti semitic. Iran is the head of all the Muslim Brotherhood affiliates. I guess none of the commenters ever heard the chants of ” Death to America” or” the Great Satan.” This war looks nothing like before.
This war looks nothing like before.
Don’t you understand? This time it’s different.
On TV I saw… There was this guy on the street in Wuhan and he like, just collapsed on the street. On camera. Fell like a tree.
Don’t be so selfish. Don’t you get it? People you love are gonna die if you refuse the vaccine.
I guess we’re at war 🤨
Like, ok whatever 😞