Many people are talking about this today; it is an interesting dynamic.
According to Mediaite with the exclusive first story, Robert Kennedy Jr. will announce his transition from a candidate on the Democrat ticket to a candidate on the Independent ticket for the 2024 presidential contest. RFK Jr. will make the announcement on October 9th, in Pennsylvania.
(Via Mediaite) 2024 presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. plans to announce he will run as an independent on October 9 in Pennsylvania, Mediaite has learned.
Kennedy’s campaign machine is now planning “attack ads” against the Democratic National Committee in order to “pave the way” for his announcement in Philadelphia about running as an independent, according to a text reviewed by Mediaite.
“Bobby feels that the DNC is changing the rules to exclude his candidacy so an independent run is the only way to go,” a Kennedy campaign insider told Mediaite. (more)
My thoughts are the same today as they were when we first discussed RFK Jr.
None of the Lightbringer’s supporters/voters and ballot harvesters are going to support RFK Jr. None of the leftists who follow social media or traditional media influence operations, the sheeple masses, are going to vote for RFK Jr. None of the party Democrats are going to vote for RFK Jr. None of the Gavin Newsom supporters are going to support RFK Jr.
So, who will vote for RFK Jr?
ANSWER: Two core groups.
#1) Ron DeSantis supporters. When RdS drops out, his coalition of support, the Never Trump Republicans, will flow to RFK Jr.
#2) Approximately one-third of unregistered, unaffiliated or what we would call “independent” voters. About a third of them.
Independents will fracture into three subsets. Approximately 1/3 supporting Gavin Newsom. Approximately 1/3 supporting Donald Trump. Approximately 1/3 supporting Robert Kennedy Jr.
With DeSantis Republicans and one-third of independent voters, that’s the RFK Jr. coalition.
As I said from the outset, RFK Jr. is the intelligence community insurance policy against the threat of Donald Trump.
RFK Jr. running as an independent will tilt the election to Gavin Newsom.
Stop thinking about RFK Jr. taking votes from Biden. Unfortunately, this will be the narrative; this will be what is polled. However, Joe Biden will not be the DNC nominee.
The correct question is, what does RFK Jr. running as an independent do to the 2024 contest when it is Gavin Newsom -vs- Donald Trump?
In that scenario, the motives and intentions of RFK Jr. taking votes from Biden, because Joe Biden is a blithering idiot, disappears. Democrats will happily stick with Newsom…. which is exactly why his visibility is everywhere right now. It’s an op.
RFK Jr. running as an independent, is part of that op.
Reset your reference point to the baseline where the intelligence operatives do not want you to be. When someone starts asking the question about RFK Jr. taking votes from Biden, stop them immediately. Joe Biden will not be the nominee. With Gavin Newsom as the DNC candidate coming out of Chicago, what does RFK Jr. do to THAT contest with Trump? That’s the question.
You all know the answer.
This is an op.
There is no more beautifully run intelligence operation than when the target of the intelligence operation represents the interests of the intelligence operation. The irony of a Kennedy is just a cherry on the operational cake.
Last point. Remember when I warned about “Q” back in 2018 ,and people got very, very mad at me for my position? Do you think it is accidental the Kennedy narrative stemmed from the “Q”-Anon origin?
Save the Date, Save the Country. #Kennedy24 pic.twitter.com/rSSs7flPKa
— Robert F. Kennedy Jr (@RobertKennedyJr) September 29, 2023
I posted earlier that nobody is always right but I think there is a very strong possibility that Sundance is 100% on the money. I just don’t want him to be right in this case.
I think he is 100% wrong
Well then, gnat about and tell us about it, endlessly.
zzzzzzzzzz….
He’s got the best track record, by far, of anyone… understanding the true landscape and predicting likely outcomes.
I hope he ‘s overestimating the RFK support. RdS Never Trumpers were never going to vote DT anyway, so maybe this contingent voting RFK will actually be net gain for DT. I do think he would cut into potential Indy support for DT. Will be interesting to see how much Fox pushes his candidacy. Will be incumbent on DT team to highlight what a lefty crackpot RFK really is (on most issues).
None of us want SD to be right! I keep telling myself that:
1: Gavin Newsom has severe dyslexia and can’t read. He squeaked by being Governor but can’t handle the Presidency.
2: DeSantis has to endorse President Trump and campaign vigorously for him or DeSantis is finished in Florida especially when he runs for the Senate. Trump won’t lose DeSantis voters!
3: RFK2 has more in common with President Trump and Newsom will be Biden 2.0 continuing the Ukrainian War, bio-warfare research and vaccine mandates.
4: Most Old School Democrats will flock to the Kennedy name.
Too many comments about vax and not enough about the war. Trump has possible vulnerabilities on the vax but Ron!s’ attempt to exploit has fallen completely flat. Only person that could exploit this is Noem and she has endorsed Trump. War will loom larger as the Democrats and GOPe will throw more money at Ukraine and especially if we have boots on the ground next year.
RFK is there to try to hammer Trump about the vaccine and COVID.
That won’t help Newsom one bit.
It’s supposed to take voters away from Trump in both the primaries and the general election.
If the voting system is rigged, why does any of this matter?
It matters because nobody will believe that Trump’s record number of votes in 2024 will be surpassed by Joe Biden.
But what will they do about it.
We all know it is rigged. We didn’t know it four years ago. Trump has this. RFK won’t make a dent.
🙏🙏🙏
Speak for yourself. I knew and commented that it was going to be rigged as soon as I saw the 2016 results. I missed Atlanta and Phoenix but other than that I called it. Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Detroit, and Las Vegas.
Overwhelm the cheating system.
This is what we HAVE to do, with or without Kennedy in the race as an Independent.
You said it!
Because only a certain amount of manufactured votes before it becomes obvious.
It was obvious in 2020
Because the economy is so bad in 2024 that the Democrats will not be able to cheat enough.
God has been guiding President Trump every step of the way and has put him in this race at this point in time.
Ultimately, God will decide the winner of this race.
They can play all the games they want to but I’m going to remain with Gods choice for president.
Amen!!
🎯🙏😇
I hope so, but, unfortunately the devil is having more power than God at this moment! God allows it. That’s what scares me!
It’s called free will. God does not forcefully control us. Adam’s fall from grace handed dominion over the world to Satan when it was intended for Man to have dominion over the Earth. The Devil does not have more power, but he does have great influence over mankind if people allow him to have it.
We must reclaim dominion. And we must implore God to intervene through prayer.
Related to this freedom of choice to make good or bad decisions, I’m not convinced “God” will decide who wins the upcoming election. We vote and others cheat. I don’t think we can blame God or give Him credit for everything that happens on this planet. Many things are left up to US. I don’t understand how God works much of the time but I don’t think it’s as over-simplified as claiming HE will cause or make something happen. He’s not a dictator. He doesn’t force Himself on anyone. The mystery is: how much will He intervene if we ask Him to? And what if an equal number of Liberal Christian’s are praying and asking for just the opposite? What if 50% want Trump to lose and that is their prayer? Which prayers does God honor?
I don’t know. But I do know we can’t sit back and do nothing and expect God to solve this crisis for us. I pray that we don’t get lazy and expect God to fix OUR messes all the time. He could, but I don’t think it works like that. We are given the power (free will) and He will assist and guide. But there are no guarantees. Look at how the Chosen People suffered in the Bible and in modern history. It’s not as simple as just saying or believing it’s going to be fine. Otherwise WW 1 and WW 2 never wouls have happened. Millions prayed for peace and it took years and sacrifice to stop the carnage. I don’t have the answers but it drives me nuts when people say or imply “God will fix this!”
I wish it was that easy.
The devil does not have more power. God is allowing a lot to open people’s eyes and awaken the church
Seems to me that the leaders of the people should also open their eyes to the truth. Come on, President Trump, admit the vaccine was a terrible mistake.
I am too. I won’t vote for RFK unless PDJT fails to run for some reason, and it’s down to either RFK and Gavvie, Moochelle or some other horrid leftie. I know Jr is a donk too, but I don’t think he’s as radical as the rest of them. At least I hope he’s not.
God help us and please protect Donald Trump
Consider yourself fully “outed.”
😏😏😉
No way in Hell I will vote anyone but Trump.
IF, he chooses his own successor, I will consider it.
RFK2.0 is no more a patriot than any of the ankle-biters on the GOP stage.
Bless your heart…
Agreed, as disappointing as this news is.
It is important for me to remember that
“God is all or he is nothing “
Of course we CTH supporters will support President Trump 100%.
However maybe the U.S.A. and Western Nations need to suffer some more.
Many folks are still excited about the NFL, The Ryder Cup, College Football, even the “ late shows returns” 🤮
Let us all “ take care of our side of the street” and pray.
Cheers to all!
Keep praying.
Just remember that God uses everything for His glory, and He appoints rulers. He appointed Biden. If Trump wins, it’s because of Him. Conversely, if Trump loses, it’s also because of Him.
Here we go again….
Haha , Yes I remember that time and those Threads So Long Ago ….
Good job!
Who posted that?
Nov 5, 2022
No, they are not. Just notice to whom Ron DeSantis is beholden: his big-money backers. (That goes for “Nikki” Haley and Vivek Ramaswamy as well.) Donald Trump is beholden to no one but the citizens of the United States of America – and to the U.S. Constitution.
Sorry, Mass. I guess I’m responding to “Dex” and not you.
Sounds like Bonjino. Says he endorses President Trump but won’t say anything bad about those running against him. Seems he’s got no problem talking good about DeSantis though.
Sad to realize Kennedy is the Evan (cia) McMullen of 2024 who was inserted to drain votes from trump in 2016.
The mistake Sundance makes here is claiming that just about all Democrats would stick with Newsom, assuming he is the nominee. There is nothing I have seen to support that claim. Remember, once a candidate enters the fray, all his negatives start adding up. And he has plenty of those. In fact, his popularity in CA is at a low ebb right now.
Maybe the DeSantis/Newsom debate in November will be a lot more meaningful now.
Ron…..RON!!!!
It does not matter who votes but how the counting can be split up!
If there is a perception that RFK is splintering votes, the cabal can blame a win/loss any way they want.
They just need enough perception to make people believe that candidate no. 3 had an impact on candidate no. 1 or 2.
Then just move ballot counts according to who they need to win.
Why do people not understand this? Three-card Monte. Always!!!!!
You can be sure that this time around there will be no stopping of counts or any of the other shenanigans that went on in 2020. Trump is going to pull out all the stops with lawyers and they are going to get into court with injunctions and will document such fraudulent activities. If your response is that Democrat judges will deny them, then there is no hope for any of us. Don’t even bother to vote if you are that jaded.
No need to pull another down to lift your point up.
He wasn’t pulled down. I presented a possible response that he might make and stated what that response would indicate. It was a hypothetical. Don’t be so quick to criticize.
Suggesting one is too jaded to vote is a denigration.
If you don’t want such statements criticized don’t make them.
Merci beaucoup, Maquis!
Obviously you don’t understand what a hypothetical is.
Yes, I am the blog moron, you got me.
Yup, ‘Sundance is always wrong’ and you’re ‘the blog moron’!
Took me a long time to write that short sentence as I was too busy laughing with sarcastic, smirking glee!
Thank you Sundance and Maquis! May your wit and wisdom continue and prevail in these troublesome times!
✊
Not at all. The more we all overwhelm the voting system, the less they can cheat. RFK Jr does throw a wrench into the race, yet I believe PT can slay Newsom AND RFK Jr.
This just makes PT’s slaying a bit more furious.
All the lawfare against Trump has included sanctions or indictments against lawyers who dare to represent him and there aren’t that many to begin with.
The cheating will be easier!
Absolutely.
Chaos favors evil.
Indeed!
You are assuming the election will bee honest. That’s not an assumption I’m prepared to agree with.
Exactly. Elections are stolen. It’s been going on for decades.
You are right. The Democrats realize they are going to need a lot more mules this time.
RFKs’ actions show he doesn’t assume that either at least for the primary.
Yep. I agree with Sundance a lot but he is dead wrong on this.
There’s that tinny buzz in our ears again . . .
LOLOLOL!!!!
Swatted…..
HA!!!!!
😍
Ouch!!!
Ad Rem ( Puddy) owns this one!
<chuckles> Nice one!
Puts a new meaning to ‘claw back’, now doesn’t it!?!
Every new entrant in the field draws out the prepositioned naysayers.
They have no clue how obvious they are.
Or was that oblivious?
Ever easier to spot, and swat!
😁
You do 👍 good at swatting. Miss your partner Black Knight. Good tag-team….😁
A RFK2 vs Newsom debate would be better.
Good thread
Like dusting off CFR Newt Gingrich who gave us NAFTA/WTO while burying ChinaGate as a MAGA patriot.
Well!!!!! THIS will be FUN!!!
Yes indeedy!
Imagine a two faced politician having to choose which lobbyist or voter group nose to cut off to spite his own ambitious face mask!
‘Only the nose knows’—How to weave that tangled web of aromatic deceit’!
<grins>
Bobby, One can’t be a Russiagater and be against the Deep State at the same time.
https://nitter.net/mtracey/status/1652161365740584960#m
For non Xers ^. I think you call these ‘receipts’? 👍🏼 to Mr. Tracey.
FarmerRen, that’s a 24 karat solid-gold nugget harvesting right there!
Thank you very much!
Thanks for posting! There is a treasure trove of information in all of those tweets. I hope everyone takes the time to check it out!!
Save it all!
Receipts are gold crosses to wield at trolls thinking they can roll us with weak sauce.
My gosh!!! I’m not an x’er but that’s great stuff!!!! 👌
Holey shemoley.
Save and redistribute this wealth
I think you have many single issue voters. They voted for Trump-maybe twice- but will not vote for him in 2024 for one of two reasons. 1.) His refusal to say the vaccine is fake. Not only does it not protect you and others, it is dangerous. And those who perpetuated the hoax and fraud must be held to account 2.) His statement saying the abortion ban limitation is something that can be negotiated.
This has driven the pro-life crowd bananas as this is a non-negotiable issue. These two groups will abandon their support for Trump. Kennedy has said much against the vaccine and the pro-life issue will be rationalized that it does not matter because there is no pro-life candidate.
All that being what it is, a huge swath of Biden democrats have had it up to their eyeballs with inflation, crime and illegals. They will not be placated by slick Gavin. They will jump ship. Question is, can the cheating overcome the true will of the people? That is what will determine who wins-can it be stolen
again?
The other possibility, which I don’t want to admit, is that Trump is prevented from getting on the ballot. May St. Michael the Archangel protect him and us from the evil that prowls about the world, seeking the ruin of souls.
Thank you for interjecting the Fail Mode rationales of the day.
Saves us going into Derp Space to hear them.
There’s always someone.
God can and does intervene in the affairs of man, but man must cooperate and ask for assistance. It is and it isn’t up to us. Paradox.
Speaking as an all out pro-life voter, you have it wrong. I am definitely voting for Trump again. Pro-life is now a state issue, and that is where it is important to have the pro-life person. Trump helped us before, and by their fruits you shall know them. God bless him, and let him go be president. Pro-life is now in the states. I think we should just wave him away from trying to federalize it. We have to win this one by dialogue and in the states, not by federal power, and those who want a pro-life federal law are imo just trying to go on with being national-level figures. All you go home. Work in the states now. Go home. And Trump 2024.
President Trump is begging the GOP to get off their posteriors and fight this in the states.
Sadly, there seems to be little fight there.
We’ve much work to do.
The 15 week ban is a loser. I can’t see a court upholding it.
Abortion is very similar to slavery. Lincoln stated that it matters what the nature of the thing is. Illinois is a free-to-abort state. In Lincoln’s day, it was a free state. Lincoln compared hogs and slaves. Bringing one across the border is not the same as the other.
A slave is not a hog. And neither is a fetus. I read Catholic web-sites and there are plenty of comments to support my assertion. I did not say the rationale was rational, only that it exists.
President Trump was able to swing any argument back to the states. That is all.
Oh geez! It’s never ending! But, the Never Trumpers weren’t going to vote for Trump anyway!
I was hoping he’d take votes from Biden! It’s all plann3d!
Biden does not like being told what to do. Like McConnell and Feinstein they will hang on to power till they drop.
Soon Satan will be telling Biden what to do in hell and Biden will not dare raise any objections.
So we have the little general op all over again.
After he loses, I feel RFK Jr will end up like Bernie Sanders- he will have enough leftover campaign funds to buy a mansion on Long Island.
Obamboozler says The Vineyard is the place to be so he rounded up Big Mike and moved to .Edgartown.
I think the Kennedy’s and Robert Jr. especially are doing OK in Hyannisport compound. Seems everyone took a piece of it.
Nice spot on the beach.
Kennedy has family multi-generational wealth, plus he is married to very successful actress, Cheryl Hines. He is not at all like Bernie.
Don’t think money matters to him.
Well, let’s not forget Cornel West…….
Or Kerrrnnelll Vindddmannnn.
He talks about the corruption in government; that strikes a nerve with a lot of people.
Do I misremember or were there legitimate concerns about his treatment of his ex-wife? Was he the one who had his marriage annulled? After many years and four children?
I think he could draw people like Naomi Wolf, a lifelong Democrat whose biggest concern now is the vaccine/mandates. Maybe people like Victor Davis Hanson or Alan Dershowitz, leftists who see the current outright fascism, but the media brainwashing has been so successful that they just can’t see themselves supporting President Trump.
Watching the video I’m reminded that RFK, Jr. is difficult to listen to.
I think he’s a lot smarter than Newsom but not nearly as pretty or as glib.
While I don’t doubt that Sundance is right about him taking votes from Trump, especially reading that that’s what happened the last four times there was a splitter, I think we can’t be sure. Because people ARE more informed, due to the internet. It’s making enough of a difference that TPTB can’t believe they can’t influence us with their State media propaganda and their big bucks.
Remember, it’s not he who casts the vote that determines the election. It is he who counts the votes, and to which candidate he gives the vote to, who determines the election.
Oh I never forget that. In fact, I find a certain irony that we’re discussing the impact of RFK Jr. on the election-certain-to-be-filled-with-fraud, and it was the 1960 election of his Uncle Jack which was the first election universally acknowledged to have been won by fraud.
“RFK Jr. running as an independent will tilt the election to Gavin Newsom.”- Sundance
To me the key word is “tilt”! With God’s help we can overcome any tilt with a massive turnout for President Trump! Sundance didn’t predict a Newsom victory all he did was explain it will become more difficult! All RFK’s announcement does is reinforce Sundance’s “It’s gonna get way worse”! RFK along with Democrat’s phantom voters is part of the “way worse”! Don’t despair keep the faith better days ahead! JMO
I fervently pray that you are correct. Only through God’s mercy and grace can we prevail.
Thanks. You said what I was thinking. PDJT has the momentum and a lot of fight.Never underestimate our PRESIDENT!!! MAGA…
The might split the disaffected female vote. Males stay with Trump.
Instead of voting for Hillary and Biden as many NeverTrumpers did in 2016 and 2020, if they decide to vote for RFK Jr in 2024 that will mean fewer votes for Biden (or Newsom) and thus a bigger lead for Trump thanks to those voters. They weren’t going to vote for Trump anyway, so votes for RFK Jr can only help Trump, not Biden (or Newsom).
As for Independents, they voted 54% to 41% for Biden in 2020, so a one third split among all three can only benefit Trump, not Biden (or Newsom). And since Trump is now leading Biden by 13% in the latest poll by ABC/WP among Independents, Trump is likely to win more Independents than Biden (or Newsom) as well.
Lot of posters on TGP think RFK jr is someone akin to President Trump and seen quite smitten with him, especially the women.
So who would be RFK jr’s possible VP ?
I’m going with Tulsi.
I wasn’t here 2018. What did Sundance say about Qanon ?
I imagine it was something along the lines that it was an op to lull patriots into complacency that there was a group that would make things right without much of an an effort from them.
Same as he’s saying now – that it’s a Psy Op run by the Intelligence Community to give conservatives false hope that there is some entity which will come in and save us. And thus, we don’t need to do anything to save the Republic so just sit back and relax.
It has been a pretty successful psy op; I know people who believe it still.
At one point Sundance finally asked us not to talk about it on TCTH.
Say what you will about Qanon but that phenomenon did inspire a lot of citizens to do their own research on different topics and become citizen journalists so they would not have to swallow the mainstream media’s propaganda.
So they swallowed the Derp State’s propaganda and made themselves look silly.
We did a hell of a lot of digging and discovery here without the aid of a CIA PsyOp.
Qanon would say some things that were similar to what Sundance says here. For example, Sundance said today that we the people know more than these deep-staters do. That many of these deep-staters are stuck in their own information silos while we can see the bigger picture. That we can empower ourselves by acknowledging that we can find out what is true without the help of our so-called betters. That’s what I got out of Qanon also. I did not swallow anyone’s propaganda. Now, after awhile I stopped following the Qanon posts because they got increasingly vague and cryptic but that movement did inspire me to become my own journalist in a sense.
He said don’t bring that Qrap here.
Exactly!!
Almost scared to comment here tonight. Certainly, RFK Jr is rattling the cage doors. Certainly mine. But the US political system is an insane asylum at this time. And I like to watch the inhabitants exhibit their own versions of insanity while within the asylum.
Methinks the playing field has not yet been decided re who will run against who. Too early for me to get caught up in my underwear.
The only one who has been in and outside of the asylum for me is Trump. He’s been in the asylum and they cannot forgive him for pointing out that it is one.
Notwithstanding, I think RFK Jr. is hated almost as much as Trump by the TPTB. . Both have exposed different “swamps.” Trump is a proven fighter. I am in his corner and will be at the ballot box, or will write him in if he is not on the ballot.
RFK2.0 was clearly from the very beginning appealing to the newly independent minded Dems who had or would flock to PDJT in 2024.
He cemented that role today.
Read this and refresh your memory my friend – reconcile these facts with your comment:
https://nitter.net/mtracey/status/1652161365740584960#m
I completely disagree with this assessment. #1, if you think RFK is actually doing this to help the Democrats then you really haven’t been paying attention. Trump supporters are not shifting. The people voting for him are not changing. RFK will bleed many more voters from the Biden or Newsome. There is a large swath of people who are not progressives who always vote D but are sick of what they have become. They will go for RFK.
The only negative about this is that it gives them an easier path for fraud
I agree! Plenty of old school Democrats would love to vote for a Kennedy once again especially Bobby Kennedy’s son!
How many of those are pro Vax though?
My in-laws are old school Democrats who won’t ever vote anything but Democrat, worship the Kennedys, only consume main stream media, have insane cases of TDS (despite loving him years ago), have been talking about China and have been anti war since the day I met them…and HATE RFK Jr.
They are so committed to pretending about COVID and the Jab, that they despise him.
Trump can’t lose voters he never had. Sundance has spent many months showing that the only significant support RDS has received is from Never Trumpers, who like their name implies, will never vote for Trump. They didn’t in 2016 and they won’t this time. As I recall, many Never Trump Reps proudly proclaimed they voted for Biden. Independents usually split fairly evenly so that’s a “zero sum” group. RFK Jr won’t get MAGA voters. But old-fashioned Dems who detest the Bud Light Dems may be attracted to RFK Jr in sufficient numbers to hurt Biden/Newsom/whomever.
It’s an indication of desperation. Again, it kills the status quo. If you’re right, it means the IC has given up on the status quo as a means to try and stay in power.
They’ve tried this twice now. The Johnson-Weld campaign, for example. The old splitter strategy.
The problem is something I wrote about yesterday. Imagine a brand new deck of cards. The status quo. Clean. Neat. PREDICTABLE. Abandoning the status quo means uncertainty. The outcome can no longer be predicted. That evens the odds. Does RFK help Newsome? Yeah. But he also helps Trump.
Something the IC does is apply game theory to all of this. They game it out and play probabilities. The ORIGINAL plan was to push Biden down the stairs and turn it over to Harris. But Harris is dangerously unstable. She presents risk, so they start gaming other options. Disqualify Trump has been a disaster. As has “Trump without the flaws”, and various versions of the splitter strategy. Why did none of those work?
Sunlight.
RFK running Independent means the GOP nomination “race” is over. The Government Party has given up on this as a means to stop Trump. They’ve had Kennedy around as a gadfly largely trying to appeal to Trump voters. This has had zero impact on Trump’s support.
Kennedy is almost unbearable to listen to when he speaks. Trump will have a field day with this reminding Americans that 4 years of a nigh-incomprehensible President is enough.
The junior partner in all of this is Newsome who will have about 20% of loyalist Democrats to work with. Winning CA means nothing and Kennedy in the race puts CA in the “risk” column. Again: once you blow up the status quo, the outcomes become unpredictable. All those hard core volunteers are working to try and generate 30-40M votes. They will be much more VISIBLE for this reason because they will have to work 10x harder to generate 1/2 the votes.
I strongly suspect there will be no debates next year. Trump will skip making it impossible because Kennedy-Newsome alone drives both their numbers down ala the GOP contest.
Throw in the ongoing court fights, which add yet more uncertainty.
On the whole, I view this as immensely positive. Even if it’s not an op, it creates uncertainty which helps us. It also means the Government Party has decided the “primaries” are over. We can all stop talking about them now, vote in the Spring, and focus our energies on ballot harvesting and educating voters that Biden will be replaced at the convention. And if he isn’t, this is their chance to take revenge on him.
The GOP, unable to stop Trump, is effectively dead as the controlled opposition. Stupid and incompetent, they’ve blown millions of dollars. A new party will emerge from this.
Killing the status quo is KEY. If Kennedy is an op, it means the IC has decided it has no choice but to roll the dice.
Having no debates isn’t going to make much of a difference. According to Roper’s 2020 exit poll in PA, 82% of voters had made up their mind on who to vote for prior to September, before even the first debate. If that PA result is indicative of the country, the debates won’t matter much.
This is not an election to persuade voters. This is a ballot collection campaign.
Ignore ALL the phony baloney dog and pony shows, and focus on rallies, ballot harvesting, and more ballot harvesting.
Personally, I also wonder what articles like this will do to the Kennedy campaign, and RFK Jr himself. He surely is a political animal, “my uncle Teddy” loses half the country, and he knows what getting tangled up in intel ops did to his uncle and father. Not a happy ending for them. If he is smart, he will run, take shots at Newsom and Fauci and excuse Trump thanks to the Stafford Act exceptions https://www.mrnacide.com/p/63-covid-19-dictatorship-captured-trump and bow out before the election and take a position in the Trump Administration cabinet, perhaps CDC
all the other paths lead to the DNC wing of the UniParty winning or him dead, or both
He will be opposed, vehemently.
Folks fawned over RdS here too.
How dat working out for him?
😂😁😈
What a terrific and insightful post!
Great points..
We live in Canada, and desperately wish for President Trump to win in 2024.
Your electoral college although so well intended, appears to now have been seriously compromised, and because of Republican duplicity is so difficult to overcome.
🙏🏻 for the U.S.A. and President Trump.
There’s no way PDJT turns down a debate with his non-GOP opposition.
It serves no purpose. The status quo is dead. Ignore these absurd dog and pony shows. You cannot beat an illegitimate system by participating in it. Remember the Chris Wallace debate? Imagine that x100. Trump should focus on ballot harvesting operations and rallies that are ballot harvesting operations.
If every rally =70,000 voters, every rally is 70,000 more ballots that can be collected. Since elections take place in the Fall, Trump can even market them as…
…Harvest Rallies.
Imagine that along with boat parade harvest rallies and car caravan harvest rallies. And this goes on for 2 MONTHS now.
The Democrat canvass cannot beat my strategy.
I hope President Trump doesn’t make fun of RFK Jr.’s voice. I don’t think he will.
I doubt he will.
I can say that I literally hurt trying to listen to him, I can’t take it.
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Donald Trump was friends with JFK,Jr.
The plane piloted by JFK,Jr went down as he was traveling to his cousin, Rory’s wedding — who is, I believe, RFK,Jr’s sister.
I believe PDJT, having had the ear of that friend, and knowing the decorum of that family, will be able to handle a debate with RFK,Jr without disparaging his voice.
President Trump does not lack decorum. He makes fun of people who are liars and cheats, people like Biden who are incapable of doing the job they take money for.
Kennedy had a lot of problems in his past and he has views about energy are devastating to this country.
If President Trump thinks RFK Jr deserves to be made fun of, he will do it, and it will be valid. None of this has anything to do with RFK Jr’s voice.
How worried are you going to be about what you call decorum if the democrats steal it again and inflation gets so bad you can’t feed your family?
We are fighting a war. Our way of life is being destroyed. I hope President Trump does what he needs to in order to win the war.
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I know Donald Trump has decorum. I never said he did not.
What I said is he has been around the particular decorum of the Kennedy family, knows their history, and has no need to be petty about RFK, Jr’s voice.
Inflation is already to the point that people are struggling with food prices. I, personally, have lost 12 pounds without trying in the last 18 months (not from lack of eating, but because we cannot afford to buy an occasional six pack of beer for our enjoyment).
And, I knew (and stated) that we were in a war back in the spring of 2020.
My unwavering support is absolutely for our VSGPDJT and I will certainly vote for him for the third time. I will not stop thinking outside the box and freely speaking in that vein where I have the inclination to do so.
You said, President Trump has no need “to be petty” about Kenndy’s voice. That is a given because President Trump confronts liars and cheats when he makes fun of someone (for example Biden). He confronts their lying and cheating, as in the case of Biden being incompetent to do the job.
Kenndy’s voice is not something that lies or cheats so President Trump has no need to talk about it. Something might change in the future, as things come out about Kennedy, but for now his voice is not related to lying and cheating.
My point is you seem to have an idea that President Trump is sometimes “petty” but you think it won’t be a problem with Kennedy because President Trump knew his nephew John.
No, it won’t be a problem because Kennedy’s voice is not tied to lying or cheating.
Note: President Trump might confront Kennedy for another reason, for example, Kennedy’s energy policy, because that globalist polilcy is one of the linchpins that is destroying our country.
Don’t buy into the globalist narrative that President Trump is mean. Don’t think you need to defend him in specific occasions (for example “he knows someone, so no problem”). Instead, confront the person who passive-agressively tries to denegrate President Trump by saying something like “I hope he doesn’t say something mean about Kennedy’s voice.”
Defend our President who is fighting for the life of our country! And I do understand we are fighting to survive, for example, being able to buy food, and that’s the reason I’m saying defend our President!
As far as I can see, President Trump is one of the few people fighting for our country and we need to do all we to support him. Don’t “buy in” to the globalist idea that President Trump sometimes says something “mean” (or in your word “petty”).
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Here’s some ‘petty’ for you:
RFK,Jr and JFK,Jr are cousins.
‘Whatever you’re lookin’ for . . .’
Oh well, I’m all for doing what helps and if it helps you to keep to going, just igmore what I wrote. Just ignore that you are part of perpetuating criticism of President Trump.
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I have never even expressed an iota of the attitude that PDJT is ‘mean’.
I find him hilarious — able to laugh at other people and himself, too.
I believe him and I are quite simpatico in our approach to dealing with those who would take our words and imply intent without even actually comprehending the message.
Whatever reason you have for harping on my comments is for you to come to grips with.
Myself, ‘I’ve got to the point . . .’
President Trump makes fun of Biden because Biden is incompetent due to dementia. He is taking money for a job he can’t do.
That is a totally different situation than RFK Jr’s voice.
Can you see the difference or do you just enjoy trying to trash President Trump?
His voice bothers people. I don’t have to mock it to get 5 responses from people about a small sentence in a long comment.
My point has been made.
I never said he would. But look how many people reacted to my tiny throw away observation. Kennedy has a weakness.
‘If you’re planning to run for president and want to ignore the pandemic of electile dysfunction because it validates Trump, there’s a door over there. Don’t let it hit you in the ass on the way out.’
That includes you too Jr. Just another part of the UniParty Fraud Cabal working to end MAGA
Mass Psychosis: I agree.
Exactly, look at these facts and wonder at them who worship false idols:
https://nitter.net/mtracey/status/1652161365740584960#m
Kudos to Sundance overall, he is the man,,,, but I don’t think so many DeSantis supporters are going to vote for someone as liberal as Kennedy. I personally know democrats who will absolutely vote for Kennedy. I fail to see very many Republicans voting for Kennedy over Mr. Trump,,, at all. We shall see.
DeSantis has to throw his 1000% support behind President Trump once the primary is over otherwise his career in Florida is finished and he’ll want to run for the Senate or take a VP or Cabinet Post with President Trump.
The primary is already over. That’s the point of RFK running as an independent. There’s no point in running against Biden and spending millions only to have Newsome installed.
On the GOP side, Kennedy going independent means the Government Party has decided the GOP primary is over, and are setting up the splitter strategy for next year.
So many DeSantis supporters aren’t the least MAGA.
If Trump loses they get Newsom who is Biden 2.0 on steroids for the next eight years! They Climate Change, Electric vehicles, Transgender rights, BLM and ANTIFA not to mention $7 gas.
I don’t see any alternative for DeSantis voters but Trump.
If they got Runt they’d get the same, only they’d rah-rah themselves to death as the Punch and Judy puppet show played them like a fiddle.
I can’t remember the percentage…but Sundance has said several times that a percentage of RDS voters (20%???) have said they will vote for Biden if Meatball is not the nominee.
That’s fine. Remember, we’re in the midst of a huge political realignment. There are people in the GOP who need to GTFO. There are Democrats (think Tulsi Gabbard) being told the same.
If MAGA was its own party, it would give people a place to go that would not require them to gag on the idea of being a Republican.
Would 20% of Republicans – government party – vote for Biden? Yep. And there are at least that many Democrats.
I agree with you. Any serious individual is not going to vote for any Democrat/liberal over any Republican. It is the formula the Republicans have used all my life. That being a voting choice for the lesser of two evils.
Especially the Ron! donors.
Agree. The P45 voters who might be lured into the Bobby K Op are those unhappy with PDJT’s Covid stance.
There are plenty of anti-establishment leftists who will be repelled by American Psycho and will be drawn to an anti-war / anti-bigpharma narrative.
Having read nearly all the Q posts, I can’t recall that any mentioned RFK Jr as a strategy to cannibalize the Democratic vote. Happy to be shown otherwise.
However, if Sundance is referring to QAnon discussion boards then I wouldn’t be surprised as many posters glowed in the dark.
I agree that Bobby-the-K is an op. The question is, whose op?
The Republicans who will vote for a Kennedy are the same ones who voted for Johnson-Weld. And the Democrats will be the ones who voted Green Party in 2016.
Both sides are now fully awake to the splitter strategy.
That was not very many at all. I think Kennedy hurts the Democrats infinitely more than Mr. Trump. The Biden failure and fiasco will cause the next President to be Republican,,,,,, unless the cheat gets us again.
He’s running for the benefit of the DNC to draw votes from PDJT.
The left is in a panic over this move
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/09/robert-f-kennedy-jr-possible-independent-run
They are more afraid than we are!
Watching the non-stop mass invasion on a daily basis, it’s hard to not think the next election won’t be decided either by the citizenry fed up with this treasonous government facilitated invasion or by the sheer number of invaders themselves.
Joe Biden Faces Disastrous Defeat if RFK Jr Runs as Third Party Candidate
https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-faces-disastrous-defeat-if-rfk-jr-runs-third-party-candidate-1828858?amp=1
Newsweek = Fake News
Biden is not even a candidate and they know it.
I wouldn’t count Joe and Jill going out without a fight!
Joe likes being President and he doesn’t want to find himself an ex-president in federal prison!
Doesn’t matter.
He is being engineered out of the White House, plain as day.
He can go easy, or he can go hard, but go he will.
I admit he may be too stupid to go easy.
–“He is being engineered out of the White House, plain as day.”–
Or in Biden’s own words;” I engineered the White House, with ah you know,ah, a, a, a plane of clay!”
Donchya just LOVE Newsweek!!!
Read the Newsweek comments. They are in full panic mode!!!
I guess it is over then….
Bidenomics ?
Bidenflation.
Or in Biden’s own words; “Badennomadic Blue Popsicle Canoes!”.
Not sure why but I went and looked up the trailer from “one Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.” Did not entirely satisfy, but I think this adequately portrays my experience. I am not crazy even if I am told sometimes none to subtly that if I haven’t bought the vaccine jab jive , or the Joe Biden won story I am insane. I am not. Rock Solid I am. And I think most Treeper’s are too.
Official Trailer – One Flew over the cuckoos nest
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073486/
While working in a Siberian coal mine in 1983, we used to watch that movie over and over again! It reminded us of the worker’s paradise we were currently operating in!
One time we invited our Russian interpreters to watch the movie with us! They couldn’t understand why we were laughing so hard because the movie confirmed the Russian government’s propaganda about how we in the west locked people up in mental institutions! This movie was proof!
It will take divine intervention, literally a miracle, for Trump to win anyway, because of the situation in Arizona and Georgia, where extremely corrupt Republicans who despise Trump control the election rigging machinery. Then you have Pennsylvania, which is controlled by Democrats and more corrupt than Georgia and Arizona combined.
Adding RFK, Jr. to the mix as an independent does not significantly change the calculus. In fact, I think it actually might help Trump, because RFK has only one issue—the vaccines—and Trump can steal that issue if someone can get his mind right, and convince him of the reality about the Covid vaccine that RFK understands.
Well just go vote. I can think of ways things could work if we all just do our part, but like any sane person I am not going to explain them. Why should I help the baby killers.
We are down with miracles here.
See 2016 for encouragement.
See the Presidential Thread to join us in prayer.
He has the war too. He is aligned with Trump there.
Is he? Why did the RFK Foundation give Zelensky an award in 2022?
Keep this in mind for now:
1. Gavin Newsome is about as high as he will be right now.
2. RFK is as high right now as he will be or the lowest he will be. Can’t tell which yet, but I don’t think his policies will push him higher.
3. The trend on Trump is up.
–“1. Gavin Newsome is about as high as he will be right now.”–
Nah, he’ll be stoned for most of his cardboard cutout life.
RFK is being positioned to draw votes from independents that are tilting towards Trump but would rather vote for someone else once Trump starts racking up convictions. Between that and the Democrat voters new-found enthusiasm to have Newsom to vote for instead of Biden will make ballot harvesting a much much lower key operation.
There is a good size demographic of Bernie supporters who could go to RFK. The problem is some of these may have voted Trump to spite the Establishment who sabotaged and co opted their hero. RFK gives them a more palatable alternative.
I’ve suspected RFK being an op, but why would they let him go so hard on Fauci/Bill Gates, etc?
Because that is the segue to go hard on PDJT.
Coupvid remains a Derp State weapon.
Because “The Robert Kennedy” Award went to Fauci?
https://nitter.net/mtracey/status/1652161365740584960#m
RFk Jr is a Democrat, not an independent. He will caucus with the Democrat agenda. DeSantis supporters should not forget that.
DeSantis supporters already hate MAGA.
They already rival the Left in terms of vitriol and mendacity.
If they can betray MAGA they will have no qualms over betraying the GOP.
The Dems/media have in their back pocket all the Covid data that they have been fudging and withholding to hit Trump with it closer to the election.
It will be perhaps the “September/October surprise” to voters who never read any Covid articles. The media coverage will be nonstop about the disabilities/ deaths and will paint Trump badly.
Newsome and Bobby will both attack Trump at the debates. It will be brutal.
Al, this democrat hating RFKjr Is all a scam!
What about Michelle entering stage right at the 11th hour of the convention?
You mean stage left. I will immediately be looking to see if I detect a bulge in the crotch.
No need to worry so much about Newsom. Americans are deeply suspicious of politicians with perfect hair.
“RFK Jr. running as an independent, is part of that op.”
No doubt it’s an Op, but I’m curious to know if RFK is in on it or just a willing patsy goaded into it by how he has been treated by the left.
Also curious about whether the GOPe will quietly support his run, or worry about the down ballot races. They will likely only support those down ballot firmly in the GOPe stable.
Ryan, McCarthy, McConnell, Thune do not mind losing races if they are paid handsomely.
Sundance is correct.
RFK is not running to win the election, he doesn’t want to become President. He’s a vote-splitter to get rid of Biden.
President Trump is the target.
Biden could die of a hiccup tomorrow and none would suspect a thing.
This is all about wresting America away from MAGA, only MAGA threatens them.
I hope and pray this somehow backfires too.
The only thing I like about RFK is his position on the vaxxes. The Kennedy Dynasty is another one I don’t wish to perpetuate again.
Add another layer to this three d chess-if getting Biden out of the way is paramount for this op (I agree that when I saw that Jr was going Independent, my first thought was splitter strategy) is if Ole Beelzebub Biden actually gets impeached by our House, then is that the true intent or will the Senate be the tell? McCarthy’s been saying for a while that now is not the time, but suddenly it is? Plus also agree that it seems like sociopath Newsom has all of a sudden been made very visible. Very interesting to see who the sociopath sends to our Senate now, isn’t it..
DC is really evil to have thought if this! Consider all, the energy being used just to stop one man, Trump! Just amazing how much trouble they are going to! They are obsessed 24/7
As to the Q folks, the only Kennedy that matters to them is JohnJohn and his dead father.
No, that is not true. Senator John Kennedy from Louisiana matters a lot to me also.
Bannon’s idea. Trump and RFKjr unite and run on a ticket against the deep state.
Love Steve Bannon, but he’s wrong. And both President Trump and Kennedy have rejected that idea heartily.
Please don’t forget Kennedy is down with the whole “climate change” scam. Fine with all the far left social issues, we’d probably still be paying for tranny surgeries in the military, and I don’t recall ever hearing him address the economy, the annual deficits, the national debt, or the threat which the Central Bank Digital Currency comprises. Or our national security. Or the erasure of our borders and thus our national sovereignty.
The only thing Trump and Kennedy have in common besides the fact that they’re both hated by the establishment is that they neither believe in mandating others’ healthcare.
Kennedy would only be VP so his climate change support wouldn’t matter.
Anyway, it was McConnell and the Republicans who voted for the 25% tax credit for Teslas and solar panels.
The VP must be MAGA and someone they fear as much as Trump. That is NOT RFK Jr.
That was a wet dream of mind for awhile until I was finally convinced it would not happen.
I will,
I bet Tulsi ends up being his running mate.
She would be the sexiest VP we have ever had. Geraldine Ferraro could have been the first but she lost.
So would RFK Jr. be considered a political transgender since he has transitioned from Democrat to Independent?
BRAVO! Sundance. Yet again you have nailed it!
Hopefully, the difference between RFK Jr and Ross Perot with Clinton winning with 43% of the vote is the widespread nature of social media that can cut thru the chaff and quickly set things straight regarding RFK.
The Ross Perot run was 1992. Internet was in its infancy. Rush Limbaugh show was 6 years old. CNN, the first and only cable news show at the time was founded in 1980.
This is a year 2000 description of the internet, “If you were to visit your favorite website back in the early internet days, you’d find that most of the web pages were filled with scrunched links, pixelated images and terrible search bars.”
Imagine 8 years before that.
And Trum0 is a bit more…..animated than Ross Perot.
Heck, I was about 4 years into my work life in 1992 and I remember getting a flash drive in our office mailbox that was……..512 MB….not GB. It was top of the line and I’m sure rather pricey. I think I still have it.