Many people are talking about this today; it is an interesting dynamic.
According to Mediaite with the exclusive first story, Robert Kennedy Jr. will announce his transition from a candidate on the Democrat ticket to a candidate on the Independent ticket for the 2024 presidential contest. RFK Jr. will make the announcement on October 9th, in Pennsylvania.
(Via Mediaite) 2024 presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. plans to announce he will run as an independent on October 9 in Pennsylvania, Mediaite has learned.
Kennedy’s campaign machine is now planning “attack ads” against the Democratic National Committee in order to “pave the way” for his announcement in Philadelphia about running as an independent, according to a text reviewed by Mediaite.
“Bobby feels that the DNC is changing the rules to exclude his candidacy so an independent run is the only way to go,” a Kennedy campaign insider told Mediaite. (more)
My thoughts are the same today as they were when we first discussed RFK Jr.
None of the Lightbringer’s supporters/voters and ballot harvesters are going to support RFK Jr. None of the leftists who follow social media or traditional media influence operations, the sheeple masses, are going to vote for RFK Jr. None of the party Democrats are going to vote for RFK Jr. None of the Gavin Newsom supporters are going to support RFK Jr.
So, who will vote for RFK Jr?
ANSWER: Two core groups.
#1) Ron DeSantis supporters. When RdS drops out, his coalition of support, the Never Trump Republicans, will flow to RFK Jr.
#2) Approximately one-third of unregistered, unaffiliated or what we would call “independent” voters. About a third of them.
Independents will fracture into three subsets. Approximately 1/3 supporting Gavin Newsom. Approximately 1/3 supporting Donald Trump. Approximately 1/3 supporting Robert Kennedy Jr.
With DeSantis Republicans and one-third of independent voters, that’s the RFK Jr. coalition.
As I said from the outset, RFK Jr. is the intelligence community insurance policy against the threat of Donald Trump.
RFK Jr. running as an independent will tilt the election to Gavin Newsom.
Stop thinking about RFK Jr. taking votes from Biden. Unfortunately, this will be the narrative; this will be what is polled. However, Joe Biden will not be the DNC nominee.
The correct question is, what does RFK Jr. running as an independent do to the 2024 contest when it is Gavin Newsom -vs- Donald Trump?
In that scenario, the motives and intentions of RFK Jr. taking votes from Biden, because Joe Biden is a blithering idiot, disappears. Democrats will happily stick with Newsom…. which is exactly why his visibility is everywhere right now. It’s an op.
RFK Jr. running as an independent, is part of that op.
Reset your reference point to the baseline where the intelligence operatives do not want you to be. When someone starts asking the question about RFK Jr. taking votes from Biden, stop them immediately. Joe Biden will not be the nominee. With Gavin Newsom as the DNC candidate coming out of Chicago, what does RFK Jr. do to THAT contest with Trump? That’s the question.
You all know the answer.
This is an op.
There is no more beautifully run intelligence operation than when the target of the intelligence operation represents the interests of the intelligence operation. The irony of a Kennedy is just a cherry on the operational cake.
Last point. Remember when I warned about “Q” back in 2018 ,and people got very, very mad at me for my position? Do you think it is accidental the Kennedy narrative stemmed from the “Q”-Anon origin?
Save the Date, Save the Country. #Kennedy24 pic.twitter.com/rSSs7flPKa
— Robert F. Kennedy Jr (@RobertKennedyJr) September 29, 2023
This looks exactly like what happened back in 1912, when JP Morgan money (and very likely Rothschilds money) bought a campaign for Teddy Roosevelt to run against Taft in the Republican Primary. When Roosevelt lost to Taft in the the primary, he was given the money to start his own “Progressive Party”. Here’s some info. on that within the perspective of 1912:
Despite Roosevelt’s efforts to appear as the candidate of the “plain people”, it was widely perceived that his decision to run was in direct response to Taft’s attack on his role in approving the U.S. Steel/TCI merger. The Hearst newspapers even ran a cartoon that “portrayed Roosevelt as a buxom beauty sauntering past the ‘Wall Street Club,’ as Morgan, Rockefeller [and other tycoons] ogled ‘her’ appreciatively from the windows, uttering such bon mots as ‘Peach,’ ‘Beaut,’ ‘Pippin,’ and ‘Oh you kid.’”
Feeding this view was the fact that Roosevelt’s two “financial angels” were former Morgan banker and U.S. Steel director
George Perkins and a wealthy newspaper publisher, Frank Munsey, who was also a major investor in U.S. Steel and other
Morgan enterprises.
(The above was taken from an article by William Kolasky entitled The Election of 1912: A Pivotal Moment in Antitrust History)
While Kolasky’s article focused on the anti-trust narrative, there were much larger issues at stake: particularly the Federal Reserve. While it was known that Wilson did not think much of the then “Sherman Anti-Trust Law” (Wilson’s views, along with his handler’s, “Colonel” Edward Mandell House, of course favored the ultra-wealthy tycoons who already had monopolies of their own), it was well known by his backers that he would absolutely sign onto the idea of a “National Bank” – the same type of “National Bank” that Andrew Jackson and Abraham Lincoln were dead set against because it spelled perpetual debt slavery for the citizens of the United States.
Taft was dead set against the National Bank as well; and the powers-that-be (at that time) knew it. So Taft had to be defeated at all costs. Hence Teddy Roosevelt, newly financed, with his “Progressive Party”. To make a very long story short, TPTB at the time knew that if Roosevelt could run as a third party candidate in the presidential election, that would split the Republican vote and Woodrow Wilson would wind up the winner of the 1912 presidential election – and that is exactly what happened.
Now, let’s shuffle on back to the present. As Sundance has mentioned, RFK Jr. running as an “Independent” would siphon mostly votes from Republicans: The DeSanctimonious stooges and other “Never Trumpers”, and many of those who also see themselves as “Independents”. Guess what happens then? In 2024, the Republican vote is split and the Demonrat squeaks out a win. It’s 1912 all over again, and the United States citizens get screwed once again; because this one is for all the marbles. May Almighty God have mercy on us and help us.
Funny this should come up today. Been thinking quite a bit lately about that 1912 election. How it’s become blindingly obvious that Wilson was placed on the throne by the monied interests – the usual suspects who wanted that central bank; the same guys who’d been tirelessly working towards that goal for all of the 19th century – they snatched WW out of Princeton BECAUSE THEY COULD COMPLETELY CONTROL HIM via blackmail: they had his nookie letters to his off-the-books Honey, and WW, fearful of Edith, would do as he was told. It’s why the most openly racist Preezy ever leaped to put the first jew USSC justice on the court. Because he was told to. It’s why he moved heaven & earth to get us into that Big War overseas: because he was told to. etc etc
Why would those monied interests stop there? They knew that their bought-n-paid-for puppet, WW, would still get creamed 60/40 when he ran against Taft, a great man and a hugely underrated President. Just like in 1992, they needed to split the GOP vote. Where we differ is how: you think they bought Teddy. I disagree – 1) Teddy was plenty rich in his own right, and had taken great pleasure in his Presidency screwing over the Wall St. boys. Not likely that guy would leap to do their bidding! UNLESS…..2) Since the monied interests had already demonstrated extreme competence in the ancient art of blackmail, why wouldn’t they just blackmail Teddy too? If he didn’t have a mistress, well, Teddy traveled a lot, and they could just throw women at him until he bit. bing-bang-boom.
The rest is history.
“Just like in 1992 when they split the vote”
ROFL you talking about Ross? Bro took more Clinton votes than Bush votes.
But keep perpetuating that Bush Cabal propaganda.
I don’t think so!
Pops voted for Reagan twice and then voted for Perot.
Mine too. And my brother.
Do not detract from the influence of the rest of that cabal….Rockefeller, Morgan, Carnegie, etc., by directing sole attention (as the internet is wont to do), to Rothschild. The cabal was FAR bigger than one man, and infiltrated not only politics, but medicine, education, etc.
A lot of the information I read about this – especially the 1912 presidential election – I got from the following book: The Unseen Hand: An Introduction to the Conspiratorial View of History, by A. Ralph Epperson.
While the book is a bit dated (published in 1985), it is very revealing. In the beginning, there is a quote from Abraham Lincoln, which reads as follows:
“When we see a lot of framed timbers, different portions of which we know have been gotten out at different times and places and by different workmen, and when we see those timbers joined together and see that they exactly make the frame of a house or a mill, all the lengths and proportions of the different pieces exactly adapted to their respective pieces, and not a piece too many or too few, not omitting even scaffolding, or if a single piece be lacking, we can see the place in the frame exactly fitted and prepared to yet bring such piece in; in such case, we find it impossible to not believe that they all understood one another from the beginning, and all worked upon a common plan or draft drawn up before the first lick was struck.”
Trust me, I do not detract from the rest of the monied cabal; quite the opposite in fact. If you can get a copy of the above-mentioned book, you will see as one of the pictures / engraved plates, something very similar to what I described about T. Roosevelt and all of the monied interests that thought quite highly of him.
James Corbett’s documentaries…How Big Oil Conquered the World, and Why Big Oil Conquered the World, is a great, documented reference to the cabal that began with Rhodes at the end of the 19th century, joined by Rockefeller, Carnegie, Mellon, Morgan, etc, at the beginning of the 20th. They ‘infiltrated’ not only banking, government, business, etc., but education, health (introducing allopathic medicine), etc. Excellent references as to where we are today. The point, of course, is that there is one Jew in that cabal, Rothschild. And this is where attention is directed….not to the ethnicities or religions of anyone else.
thank you for sharing that interesting bit of history.
You are very welcome.
Harris owns the rights to the Presidency.
if Biden gets Putsched, Kamala has dibs.
She is the President. Have you not heard Biden call her President Harris numerous times?
It was H. Clinton’s turn in 2008.
They will give a Harris a golden parachute. She’ll get to be president for a few months after Biden* is put out to pasture followed by a book/Netflix deal and the celebrity gabfest circuit. She will be living the Michelle Obama lifestyle and getting $700K per speech.
Dear Lord –
Please protect Sundance, his team and the conservative treehouse community.
In the name of your son Yeshua, I pray.
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Politics is such a relentlessly filthy business .
I will never be blue to my show Mr.Trump great grateful I a man for his fighting this’ll noble political battle for us.
All I can do is To continue to be a tireless advocate , vote for him and most of all pray for his safety and success.
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That second sentence again?
🥴 I sense iPhone
I prefer Cheetos:)
I don’t see the holier than thou sanctimonious never Trump going with Bobby. I don’t see Bobby as deluded enough to think he can win as an independent either. True elitist never Trump swampholes will go for whomever will continue their grift and won’t prosecute them.
Price of fuel and groceries and everything else is going to dominate as it always does. Bobby is a patriot so pray for wisdom for him. World Peace, economic prosperity, and
Retribution 2024 is rolling.
Trump 100 million votes!
Why not? They voted for Hillary in 2016.
Bobby is no patriot. If he was, he would endorse Trump and the America First agenda, instead of trying to stop it by being a splitter candidate. Instead, he has said climate change deniers should be jailed.
He is also a long time supporter of Hillary Clinton. Need I say more?
Bobby chooses to run independent, regardless of the reasons, then he is the enemy.
IDK, outside of a couple issues, albeit prominent ones, Bobby is 100% grade A Democrat.
I would think that Never Trumpers would prefer the DNC corrupt pick. To fill the coffers.
“So, who will vote for RFK Jr?”
Traditional Democrat voters who can’t bring themselves to vote for a Republican for President, so would otherwise hold their noses and vote Democrat,
The most recent poll I saw had RFK jr at 17% among Democrats. Many of those can be expected to vote for him.
“Independents will fracture into three subsets. Approximately 1/3 supporting Gavin Newsom. Approximately 1/3 supporting Donald Trump. Approximately 1/3 supporting Robert Kennedy Jr.”
A third party candidate actually getting 1/3 of the final vote is VERY RARE! And I would not coronate Gruesome Newsome as the Democrat’s nominee just yet.
However, as Yogi Berra said – Making prediction is difficult, especially about the future.
He smells like a big fat splitter to me! He’s also corrupt. Read about his shenanigans with solar in Cali
I like him. So does Trump.
(Although I’m still voting for Trump)
Trump don’t ‘like’ Bobby the way you infer.
We owe RFK Jr. a great debt of gratitude for the light he has shed on the problem with vaccines. He has built up a great deal of cred with me because of that. If there is one thing the deep state really hates is a vaccine sceptic. So how exactly is he a deep state tool?
Simple. Because he is NOT endorsing President Trump. Either you are with us or against us.
^^^^^^
Huh?
He has already changed his position on vaccines! Like all his policies he softened !
He now thinks vaxxes are basically good! He duped everyone!!!! He doesn’t even cry out to get the people ivermectin!!!
He’s a psy op to steal votes from Trump! He’s a phoney.
Someone on another branch here, mentioned a really important thing about vaccines….
Natural Immunity is “Free”.
Sounds like Q level nonsense.
No, your insulting insinuations to a reasoned position sounds like a leftist counter.
“I don’t have a counter argument, so I will just cast aspersions.”
Weak!!!
When asked a question that involved mentioning Pelosi’s name, Vote-robber Kennedy couldn’t even say her name. I saw that as a “tell. ” He was avoiding the question that singled her out like a nasty coward. He’s a demonrat through and through.
I despise him for what he is agreeing to do. He is not doing this for the betterment of our country. Don’t be fooled.
Worse yet he is a wanna be dynasty spreader, like Jeb a total wash out who can’t even get the full thrust of their designated ‘party’ behind them; No more dynasty governments, that seems to me abundantly clear.
All of Our Houses in DC, including the bureaucracies are a long lineage of dynasty blood; ‘nasty’ is the best part of dynasty. Like Hollywood, sports, etc……
Trump is truly the applecart disrupter. Why do you think they have been out to ‘get’ him. His lineage makes them blush or red faced, just like mine and yours. Politics has become dynastic and corrupt.
Following family ‘ties’ in politics is very disturbing to the average citizen; it smells to say it bluntly. Mass
immigrations will vaporize the cohesion of the rank middle class, but, never the elite dynasties…….the Uniparty always gets it way; Except! for Palin and Trump. The Tea Party against the taxers and The MAGA against the taxers.
RFK is a Kennedy and really does think he is entitled; but he would never buck the Uniparty unless he got their OK…..IMHO. The dynasty card is very much like the race card and all the other cards awarded to only the favored. The only card the middle class have is their employee card for taxation……..then your Medicare card to the grave.
God Help US
Moral people are the backbone of nations…….but they don’t always get to control the hands and mouths of dynasties.
I beg to differ….he has used his name to bring these issues to the forefront. And uses ‘the children’ like all good progs do.
The things he has brought forward with regards to vaccines, have been common knowledge, for decades.
His name has allowed him and his ‘ideas’ not to be shunned in polite circles.
I have to disagree with you Aggiegirl.
While what you say is completely true, you have to agree that by doing so, it allowed RFK to be propelled into the limelight, not necessarily from obscurity, but in stature as “true man of the people”.
Did I say “propelled”? I meant “rocketed”.
The main argument for RDS was that he did not lockdown his state and that he was firm against radical social issues. But keep in mind those were crisis CREATED by TPTB.
RFK, like DeSantis will vote for TPP, the green new deal, liberal judges, likely the Fed reserve and so on.
TPTB creates intolerable social and control issues that people have to personally deal with. They then allow their candidate the leeway to help fight against those same issues they created.
This distracts us from focusing on what is most important to TPTB: the Fed, climate, DEI, etc. In other words, the things that keep them rich and us under control.
yeap!
He’s a climate nut.
How will he traverse the Country on a campaign?
Excellent point 😂. Newsome too.
He isn’t and it’s way past obvious that he isn’t.
I think Sundance adequately explained how Bobby socks is a deep state tool.
Shilling for Bobby?
Deep-state manufactured “Vaccine Skeptic” [correct your spelling, tool]:
I was trying to find the article that made me do a double take on RFK because I always thought he was helping the vaccine fight, but it’s buried in crappy algorithms and “news.” It was during the “discussion”of giving WHO unilateral control over every nation during pandemics and there was a blurb about RFK wholeheartedly supporting it. It’s all a game and they’re all actors.
That WHO support would be an epic find!
That is a critical blow for the Global Domination crowd.
No more disqualifying fact could ever be found than that.
You won’t find it.
That is deep state propaganda. Why not actually listen to RFK Jr. before you spout propaganda from a “blurb.”
RFK Jr might want to be portrayed anti vaccine but how are we to know that his position is genuine and he isn’t controlled opposition. Sundance is directly stating that he is going independent under the Deep State’s instructions…
Given that both his father and uncle were killed by the Deep State, he might not want to be the third casualty and could have been roped in by the DS to run third party as an insurance policy… if this is indeed true then we have to be skeptical of his record on vaccines too
Go by actions not words…..how’d he make his money? Who is donating to him?
From 2005…
{ RFK Jr 05 Vx: Deadly Immunity. Government Cover-up of a Mercury / Autism Scandal | Global Research }
Why are you here defending what he is– a tool of the demonrats to split the vote in 2024. The bottom line is vote robber Kennedy KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING!!
Played like a baby Grand piano?
We owe Booby nothing!
He co-opted public outrage with the vax and COVID to his advantage
Why Booby and why now?
Where’s his money coming from? donations?
Used car salesman tell people what they want to believe……..so do propagandists.
The stink is all over this one and all it has is a name………a bit slicker than slick willy who was also an IC tool.
Booby Kennedy = In tell a gence Committee tool.
This ain’t 2006 so don’t fall for the “Obama” magic business!
Exactly
RFK JR will get those who have succumbed to the influencer narrative we have all seen here “Trump killed my relative with warp speed”,…so thats ONE group.
No doubt there are SOME, perhaps many of the “walk-aways” of Straka, so called “moderate and conservative Dems” that swore they would NEVER go back, like the abused spouse who are now panting like a school girl, at “bobby said he LIKES me!”
Yes, former Dems who “walked away” and came NOT to the Republican party, they were drawn to MAGA, but will now be enticed by jr…..SOME of them.
Can Jr. WIN? In a primary, against Joe, certainly.
In a General, against Joe vs any of the second tier R’s,…possibly.
Against PDJT,….no. But he CAN give PDJT a “run for his $” in a two man race,…and in a 3 man race take votes from PDJT, and muddy the waters.
Yeah. All those trolls with the same message of “Trump killed my relative” line all showed up at once everywhere for about a month. Now they are gone.
Proves he is backed by the government as they sent their DOD trolls out everywhere to attack us all and to sway opinion.
We got duped.
“3 man race take votes from PDJT”
Keep that sheep in the cattle.
“ANYONE WHO ISN’T A DEM WILL DRAW VOTES FROM REPUBLICANS” is the same canned mantra repeated without thought. Jill Stein didn’t take from Rep votes in 2012 or 2016. None came up about in 2008, Badnarik didn’t take from Rep votes in 2004.
I could go on and on. This stupid shit been going on since the Bush Cabal blamed Ross taking votes (NOPE NOPE NOPE) except took more from Clinton.
Reading around here from the comments that propaganda in INGRAINED.
Projection/deflection, huh?
Dutch is one of the most prolific commenters in this site!
He is, perhaps, the most informed and educated in election matter in this site also, and is very rarely wrong on election matters.
And that is known FACT amongst regular Treepers.
So, who are you? Because I don’t ever recall seeing you commenting before, much less having any real effect or meaningful discourse with evidence.
Since you can ‘go on and on,’ please do with your assertions. But please bring the receipts to validate your opinions so we can evaluate ourselves the validity.
Propaganda doesn’t work around here very well on any subject. So that’s a tell that you’re new and spouting propaganda yourself.
Nice try! NOT
A splitter pulls votes from the highest polling candidate.
But we’re living in extraordinary times. TDS is real. It’s a terrible affliction. And OBiden has been a train wreck. Newsom is not well liked. I can see RFK getting 25% of the final vote. Just enough to bump off Trump.
I can see him getting half that of the final vote and taking a majority of it away from Bide (or whomever dem).
We had better hope he takes more away from the dem, as if he takes mostly from Trump, combine with the dem’s voter fraud, we are scroomed.
Newsom is HATED in CA. He has zero charisma and his wine-making elitism will be a major issue in many other states. His ties to Pelosi do not work in his favor either.
Kennedy will not get many DeSantis votes. Rod supporters loathe Newsom and will not throw in with him by proxy.
I’d lay off the predictions… maybe that’s what the socialists hope happens but I’m not seeing it.
The other question is who will vote for Newsom? Once they start attacking Gavin he could well be a one day wonder and gone. Trump has already opened the door in his speech in California about the water problem, the electrical vehicle mandate, homelessness, the surplus Newsom blew in less than a year. We have big problems here created by the dems.
Gavin is not so strong a candidate.
RFKjr might beat Newsom in a three way match up with Trump.
Kennedy has more weight than Newsom.
Trump has more weight than both.
Yellow Dog Dems WILL vote for Newscum.
The US Postal Service will vote for Newscum.
I do agree that Newscum is not a strong candidate, though there is definitely a narrative going that is attempting to lump President Trump by association regarding relative age with the Walking Bi-dung, and a desire for ‘someone younger’.
All of this talk about Ga-Vin installing the Toe into the Senate seat so that he can be selected as VP, begs the question: why in the Hades have the Republicans not already impeached the Walking Bi-dung?
A lot of celebrities back RFK Jr. His wife is the wife on Curb Your Enthusiasm, and Larry David introduced them, so I imagine Larry is in his corner. Then Pierce Brosnan and Woody Harrelson are being pilloried for being pictured with him.
That’s his coalition. Democrats and Democrat leaning independents who want a Populist (this is why they gravitated to Bernie) but would never support, at least not openly, Donald Trump. Because RFK Jr is married to a celebrity and thus kind of sort of part of their fraternity, it’s a lot safer for other celebrities to openly back him
My opinion: I think it’s very likely that, as Sundance says, the “independent” vote would split pretty evenly three ways. And of course it’s also likely that a good percentage of the Never-Trump Republicans would vote for RFK. But I think we’re missing something in the second part of that equation. Anyone who is really a Never-Trumper will…. never vote for Trump no matter what! Which means that if there’s not a 3rd-party candidate, they’ll vote for Biden (or Newsome). But if there IS a 3rd-party candidate, a lot of the Never-Trump Republican crowd would vote for Bobby instead of Biden/Newsome. Again, this doesn’t predict how independents will break… but I think it’s GOOD news as far as the idiot Never-Trumpers are concerned.
This is where RFK becomes problematic. I know polling isn’t cast in stone but I think it’s safe to say that Trump has about a 60/40 edge with Independents. Subtract a quarter of those voters along with Libertarians and Republicans mad at Trump for not firing Fauci and now the door opens for President Hair Gel.
Few Republicans will vote for a climate nut…especially knowing it would boost the dems chance
20% of dems will though
RFK has spent nearly 20 years (since 2005) exposing pHARMa/iatrogenic/Vx injuries, maimings, & deaths (his family founded The Special Olympics, and he’s spent 40 years successfully suing the worst people-&-planet-damaging polluters on the planet (Monsanto is just the latest ChemCo. demise to his credit) – he’s been personally involved with BigCorp & pHARMa’s bio-environmental-carnage his entire life.
These people significantly affected reside in – fill – the woodwork.
He’s a WildCard. it may be very surprising how many people will support this man who has listened to & heard them – and spoken their language & fought for them – for the past 4 decades; literally nobody else on his level has.
Day- to-day, they live on a different planet than you do (if you aren’t one or don’t have a Vx/environmentally injured/maimed/murdered Loved One).
IDK what will happen, God is in charge of all outcomes… most everyone here knows more about “politics/political theater” than I do; I’ve only been here a few months, and the only politics I’ve ever given any credence to has been POTUS45 (obviously a criminal enterprise my entire life., so yeah- no), so I realize my opinion is less-informed, and SD has high-level intel I/we can’t see until he informs us.
When I said here that the Ds finally have a viable candidate on the day he announced, it was sneered at
(nobody was directly rude to me personally, which I deeply appreciate, btw; RFKII was roundly-&-soundly derided, though, by several here).
That was then, this is now… look where he is.
So, I’m choosing to count RFKII as anything but ‘inconsequential’.The Ds may be trying to use him, but I believe God is Guiding him, as He is Trump.
Chooseamerica wrote:”… Ultimately, God will decide the winner of this race. They can play all the games they want to…”
and I second that – God’s Will Be Done here.
God Loves WildCards, have you noticed?
Bravo, Sir or Mrs.
I’m an actual XX chromosome/ Female/ Gestating/ HomeBirthGiving/ Breastfeeding-I-Make-Milk, -what’s- your-superpower?/ Mothering/ Child-of-God-Made-in-the-Image-of-Creator/ Authentically-Feminine Woman.
Bona fide; It’s good to be clear.
He is a domocrat! It’s an op! Nuff said.
Does RFK believe in God?
Is he openly willing to acknowledge God?
Will he submit to God?
Don’t know? Do you?
Isn’t that the way? The more you learn, the more you realize how little you actually know.
Translation Kennedy is an ambulance chasing lawyer scumbag.
There, fixed it for you.
Gosh… were you heavily invested in one or some of the criminal companies he’s prosecuted & put out of their toxic-profiteering business?
I can see how that could cause some major butt-hurt.
IRP – Intense Rectal Pain- may have caused you to misread, and thereby MIS-translate, my comment.
You are forgiven, Bless your Heart.
I just want to know if Camelot will return if RFK Jr. manages to pull out a victory? I miss Camelot even though I was only 5 years old when it went away with JFK’s assassination.
Camelot was a marketing ploy. There was no Camelot. There were turbulent times, a Cold War and mortal men. History has romanticized and martyred the Kennedys. The bar has moved so far left that we think what Kennedys pushed is conservative. Make no mistake, then, it was as radically left as progressivism is today. The Bay of Pigs and Cuban Missile crisis had people hiding in their basements thinking a nuclear bomb would hit at any moment. It was scary times.
Leftists love to push their Utopias.
Past or future, always fables, usually fatal.
He who controls the past controls the future. (words of another Joe)
He did not want deep involvement in Viet Nam. He prosecuted the mafia. He went against big oil. He wanted to bring control of our currency back to Treasury instead of the Federal Reserve bank. He wanted to break up the CIA. He spoke of secret societies (precursors of the deep state?). He was very wary of that cross-dresser, J. Edgar Hoover. That sounds like Camelot to me?
King Arthur and the Round Table are not coming to save us and Bobby sure as hell ain’t. Never.
Ya. And RFK is for TPP and climate change and all that stuff.
Teddy K was also his kin.
What is your point exactly? That RFK is JFK?
I’m old enough to remember the sheer terror we kids felt when the air raid sirens blasted all over the neighborhood. Those who were in the school building would duck and cover. If you were outside you made a beeline for home.
Yes, this is all personal to crown a Kennedy, the timing due to the political opportunity presented by the Biden/Harris disaster and GOPe TDS.
Putin is laughing. The Soviets created every militant environmental/peacenik group in the US. Meanwhile they have never stopped preparing for kinetic war if one was needed to finish the job.
point of order: there haven’t been any ‘soviets’ for decades
if putin is laughing, can you blame him?
“the Russians love their children too” – and they’re not the ones mutilating them
if by ‘soviets’ you mean ‘bolsheviks’ – on that we can agree
but the bolsheviks originate from a different ‘ ‘ ‘tribe’ ’ ’
https://www.trevorloudon.com/2015/04/the-clenched-fist-revisiting-golitsyns-predictions/
“What makes Anatoliy Golitsyn stand out is the uncanny accuracy of his predictions. Mark Riebling wrote in his spy book Wedge: The Secret War between the FBI and the CIA, “[O]f Golitsyn’s falsifiable predictions, 139 out of 148 were fulfilled by the end of 1993—an accuracy rate of 94 percent.” [3]
“One of the goals behind the Soviet Union’s “false liberalization” facade was to put a “happy face” on Soviet-style communism. Golitsyn predicted the emergence of a “younger leader with a more liberal image, who will continue the liberalization more intensely.” [4] By falling for the Soviet “liberalization” ploy, the West begins to question its massive defense expenditures; since it seems wasteful and unnecessary now that the “Cold War” is allegedly a thing of the past.“
Well said. Never forget that Putin was/is KGB. The 60’s protests were NOT organic in origin.
The Bolsheviks here are the same as those in the former Soviet Union that created all those “environmental/peacenik” groups.
The “Russians” either threw them out or disenfranchised them when the Soviet Union fell.
Hence, the outflow of Russian Mafia to Ukraine, Europe and the US in the 90s and the diaspora to the far reaches of Eastern Russia on the Pacific coast and Israel.
They never stopped preparing for war because of NATO backtracking and encroaching on movements towards their border since the fall of the Soviet Union.
Why would they?
Which is part of the reason for what is going on in Ukraine presently!
Correct. This 75 y/o remembers the hype and the photo ops and the clusters of beautiful people … and the swooning plebes. JFK damn near started a nuclear war. Tony Blinken and Victoria Nudelman would have been at home in JFK’s cabinet.
Having lived through those times S Yelnats, I agree with you that it was scary times. But on the heels of the end of WWII, we were also united with a pride of country then and there was a profound optimism about our country. That all changed when the Kennedys (perceived as the good guys) were murdered and LBJ took over and escalated the Vietnam War. IMHO the country has never recovered from this & was forever changed from the pre 11/22/63 days. Just like we have never been the same since 9/11/01. And, as much as we now know about the Cuban Missile Crisis, I will always give JFK credit for saving our lives when he made the decision to defy his military advisors who wanted him to launch a nuclear preemptive strike on the Soviet Union while the country waited anxiously to see how Khrushchev was going to respond to Kennedy’s “Don’t cross the line in the sand”stance over the approaching Soviet ships. He knew there were already nuclear missiles in Cuban pointed at the East Coast. The secret WH tapes he made tell this history and have been made public. For all of his faults, one can’t deny JFK was a courageous man who truly loved his country. He stood up to those people and that’s why they killed him. Some Dem “Walk-Aways” may feel nostalgic about the Kennedys and be tempted to support RKFJr, (out of pity?), but they should also realize he is “No Jack Kennedy.” He could never have the power, endurance,resources, and support as Trump does to fight the crime syndicate running DC. We can only pray that Trump will not meet the same fate as JFK. These criminals in charge of DC have killed before to influence a POTUS election and why should we be naive enough to believe they won’t try it again? Please pray Psalm 35 on behalf of Trump!
It doesn’t matter if Gavin Newsom is the nominee or Joe Biden. RFK Jr.’s entry as an independent is the perfect cover for another fraudulent election. With this scenario it becomes harder to prove manufactured votes for Biden. It just becomes the case that RFK Jr. took more votes from Trump than he did from Biden or Newsom.
💯 spot on
RFKjr might beat Newsom.
Only if they let him. But Gates’ sudden piviot to the center should not be ignored.
Do you have links to examples? I haven’t come across this and am curious.
Not that they need a cover. 2020 proved that.
Sundance is right. While those on Patriots.win are giddy at the thought of RFK siphoning votes from Biden (or whoever else is the Establishment Left Nominee), they fail to see that Trump’s strength lies to his appeal outside the GOP. Trump needs those Squishy Libertarians, Low Information Independents and Disenfranchised Democrats because sadly, a large segment of the GOP are vile, psuedo intellectual “Principled Conservatives ” ala Steve Deasce and Ben Shapiro. Insufferable egomaniacs who would shoot themselves in the foot to stop Trump from winning. Our side as well has a problem staying focused. We break out the pom poms and do leg kicks at the 50 yard line when Bill Maher or Joe Rogan say something diplomatic. Enough of that. It’s Trump or bust. You’re either with us or against us. RFK is a fraud. A pro abortion, gun grabbing, climate change enthusiast, and worst of all, a DemoRat. We don’t have time to let him self implode like the Meatball. We need to call him out on social media whenever possible. I’m tired of his Big Pharma lectures. Had he been in PDJT’S shoes during Covid, he would have folded like a chair.
RFK is a big concern. The China Virus will continue to haunt PDJT and people like Joe Rogan and Tim Poole will pump up RFK’s campaign just enough for him to be the spoiler that puts the nail in our nation’s coffin.
They have been preparing for this… a bunch will come and declare “for RFK”, like for example. Dr. Malone https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dr-robert-malone-says-he-cant-support-trump-while-ex-president-stands-by-covid-19-jabs/ . Pretenders…
Malone might be a two-faced snake, yet so many traumatized people can’t see straight and idolize his forked tongue… his ‘Mass Formation Psychosis” amounts to a mental illness diagnosis label on the citizenry at large according to a solid whistleblower. it smacks of a classic… ‘blame-the-victim’ aka satanic inversion… the abusers rely on to escape accountability, if so.
Is he very much like an opportunistic gaslighter??? – has he ever studied psychiatry or diseases of the mind/brain whatsoever? – check his credentials for yourself;
because now he’s suing the most successful, longest-standing psychiatric-fraud whistleblower we have ever had, for exposing what he sees with his decades of experience & expert-courtroom-witness credentials as fraudulent-diagnosis/narrative/claims.
Is he part of the cover-up… running interference & obfuscation for the usurper-perpe-traitors of the ‘covid’ scamdemic?
Is he mixing lies with Truth to bamboozle the bludgeoned masses… pretending to be a TruthTeller?
Is he actually just playing ‘rescuer’ in the ‘Persecutor-Victim-Rescuer’ abuse triangle?
If so (explore the case history for yourself), his fraud should be exposed much more widely – more Sunlight on him would reveal more actual Truth and neutralize his undue influence. IMO that man is not what he portends to be.
{ Breggin.com | lawsuit Catherine Austin Fitts about Malone, Desmet and Breggin }
We have been to 2 rodeos with Deasce and Shapiro and they make NO Difference in the Outcome.
CA is a joke & Newsollini is a pariah to the majority of the country. There is no way he can win the contest for POTUS unless there is massive & total fraud. (Which is how he beat his recall in CA.) If the Deep State can get away with that, then it is already all over and there will no longer be any such thing as free elections in America.
Who are the RINO voters who support Ron DeS? Are they unaware that beyond all “the right things” he’s done in FL or that he says as a candidate, that he represents the interests of the WEF globalists? Do they support 2A? If so, they won’t support RFKJr who is on the bandwagon for “gun control.” Are they war mongers like the RINOs we hear from in Congress voting to send more $millions to Ukraine every week? If so, they won’t support RFKJr, who wants to end the war in Ukraine.
Many moderate Democrats walked away from the Democrats when they put Crooked up for POTUS and they voted for Trump. They aren’t fools like the run of the mill CNN watching liberals screeching about CRT and “Climate Change”. Keep in mind they saw through all the Clinton shenanigans and voted for Trump. The question is will they now return to their political roots to vote for RKFJr or stick with Trump? IMHO Hair Gell is too much of a radical socialist for them. They’re able to see how much he’s destroyed CA and I doubt they will give him a shot at destroying the whole country. Many of these people vote for the lesser evil. If Biden is dumped overboard, resigns, or goes to Hades to keep Diane Feinstein company, it could be a choice between Trump, Newsollini, & RFKJr. It’s a hard call, but I’m betting they will stick with Trump, since no 3rd Party candidate has ever been able to win a presidential election and I think this block of voters see how high the stakes are in this election. If anything, I think the CIA will try to take out RFKJr, whom they may perceive to be an impediment to Newsollini. And after all, that’s what their track record is with Kennedys. IMHO, I doubt they’re supporting him.
“As I said from the outset, RFK Jr. is the intelligence community insurance policy against the threat of Donald Trump.”
The same RFK jr who believes, maybe well correctly, the “intelligence community” murdered his uncle and maybe his father ???
This seems about as plausible to me as the Russians blowing up their own pipeline AND fabricating to Hunter Biden laptop.
If RFK jr. is the “intelligence community’s” insurgence policy, what is their insurgence policy against RFK jr.?
A bullet ?
I think you need to read the article and let it sink in. You strained after a gnat and swallowed a camel.
You sound like a schoolmarm with a roledex of canned responses.
You sound like an influence agent.
Listless sounded honest and factual. Why are you trying to smear him?
I critiqued his casual dismissal of a long term Treeper.
I pay attention to my fellow Treepers, I know when a new name wanders in, and when such begin condescending to those of long standing, and dismissing the wisdom found here in favor of their shallow observations, that chances are very good that person is here for a specific purpose.
Most folks who become great Treepers take time to get their bearings and treat others with respect.
After watching generations of influence agents flowing here, always in great waves when certain Derp State moves are afoot, it gets easy to recognize them, one of their most consistent tells is their gracelessness.
“long term Treeper”
Meaningless. It is and I hope you understand the how and why and I won’t have to EILI5
Really?
Says who? Someone new here deflecting, diverting, influencing?
You treated a person with disrespect for engaging in respectful dialogue.
What he said about JFK was respectful and right on target so save your excuses for your cheep smears for someone else.
Nice try.
I responded to this: You sound like a schoolmarm with a roledex of canned responses.
You call that respectful dialogue? Right on target? Do you understand how threads work and how to recognize to whom a post is responding?
You need to up your game.
Very weak counter.
Respectfully speaking regarding RFK (not JFK) has nothing to do with disagreeing and calling out influence attempts.
And disagreeing is not disrespectful, except in leftist world.
And what is ‘right over target’ and who made you the decider of that?
^^^^^^
So true!!
Influence agents often come in pairs…..
In this case, there is at least 3, maybe 4 working.
Agree…I think maybe 4.
Are you retarded? Read this and understand:
https://nitter.net/mtracey/status/1652161365740584960#m
Thanks for that info!
THAT is going straight to the War File!
Treepers always come through with the goods.
Put this straight in there too please, it’s current – June 7, 2023
{ RFK Dane Wigington: Is Climate Engineering Real? » US Presidential Candidate Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and Dane Wigington: Is Climate Engineering Real? | Geoengineering Watch }
Tag team much?
Bingo
And you sound vaccinated…
Soit genti.
I don’t think so.
I’m fact, I know so as do all regular Treepers.
And influencing ops don’t last long on here.
👁️👁️😎
That is exactly it, with a teammate.
And it is damn obvious!
Is a listless vessel something like a container to put a basket full of deplorables into?
LOL!
You seem to hate and attack independent thinking.
And you can’t stand balanced and informed counters.
So, if it isn’t your way, it’s wrong, huh?
More leftist countering.
“The same RFK jr who believes, maybe well correctly, the “intelligence community” murdered his uncle and maybe his father ???”
Why would that be so far fetched? …Exhibit A, Uncle Teddy, whom RFK Jr. idolized.
Bobby doesn’t have the smarts nor the balls to take in the Deep State.
Never has and never will.
Shilling for Bobby socks?
Speaking of “the Russians”, tool:
Bobby weakened his stances on everything including vaxxes which he now says are basically all safe. He’s not a threat to anybody anymore which proves he’s weak.
Bobby already knows who killed his family and has talked about it. CIA recently got the nurse and other agent to say they found another bullet in news articles. Odds are more info will leak out mysteriously. Bobby is just another deep state puppet.
He is not an outsider like he’s trying to imply. Stop falling for it.
If Hinkley had succeded, GHWB would have served two terms…
No Reagan revolution.
More gun control.
An intact Soviet Union.
I can still remember NPR jerks celebrating the hit.
RFK Jr has less to do with Trump’s win or loss than cheating. RFK will take at least as many dem votes as GOP votes.
The Democrats seem to think RFK jr. will take even more votes for the dem nominee.
Good
Most Democrats I know are all in on the Vaxx and hate RFK Jr.
They , along with the GOPe are also all in on the war. Neither faction is going to vote for an anti-war candidate. There are only 3 active anti-war candidates-RFK2, Ramaswamy and Trump.
RFK JR’s son allegedly secretly went to the Ukraine to fight.
RFK’s foundation gave an award to Zelensky in 2022.
Don’t think he is anti war. Rama is a fraud.
Trump is the ONLY anti-war candidate.
Do you have a source for the award to Z?
It is in the Michael Tracey twitter thread Sundance posted on page 2 and in the nitter thread posted below it for non Twitter users.
https://nitter.net/mtracey/status/1652161365740584960#m
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/09/29/robert-kennedy-jr-to-run-as-independent-in-2024-election/comment-page-2/#comment-10220789
Thank you. He is a dirtbag.
Glad to help. Yup!
A Rasmussen poll from a week ago showed it hurting Biden. However, Sundance is likely correct that if you switch Newsom for Biden that would change things.
However, several other things could come in to play. Older blacks could prefer the Kennedy name over Newsom. Young democrats could split their vote between RFK Jr and Newsom. Conservative dems may prefer RFK Jr over Newsom and his radical progressive policies. I don’t think the country wants to become Calufornia.
I wonder though. I really do. Who would working class dems that voted for Trump support? They may stick with Trump.
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Joe Biden Faces Disastrous Defeat if RFK Jr Runs as Third Party Candidate
https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-faces-disastrous-defeat-if-rfk-jr-runs-third-party-candidate-1828858
The comments are great. These people are scared!!!
I live in California. We tried to recall Newsom, unsuccessfully, but he is still unpopular with many people here, imo.
California has problems and the Breck girl has been in charge of creating them.
Newsom is popular with the elite crowd on the left, like DeSantis appealed to the elites on the right, but Newsom does not have the common touch.
Think about 2008, when Obama came in and beat Hillary. I think RFKjr can beat Newsom.
I think Trump can win any dogfight if they can’t cheat him.
Nailed it!
It is my distinct impression that the people you refer to as “conservative Democrats” …… meaning they are not far left radicals, they are not marxists and they are not communists ….. I seriously doubt that this broad swath of voters will vote for any Democrat candidate in the next election…. or maybe not ever again…..
But I do agree with the opinion that a Trump/Kennedy ticket might well appeal to them.
So Trump can be shivved in the back again? No way!
Don
t forget Cornel West is running as the green party candidate. Hell take dem votes too.Yes. He will take progressive votes and split that with Newsom. So we are talking about a four way race.
West is doing a Bernie Sanders move. Bernie got paid handsomely to take a dive. West smells money for not running or not running with any effort.
Who would the democrat women vote for? The pro abortion, pro government support me women voters.
The handsome California communist for sure.
I don’t know why people think he’s handsome. He is so smarmy looking—He creeps me out.
For me it is the teeth: something vampiresque about him.
Biden is losing his mind, RFK Jr. is losing his voice (it’s hoarse and trembly), DeSantis is losing support, Trump is losing weight. Is there a politician who isn’t losing something?
Feinstein lost her life and her Senate seat. Boy, she must be REALLY depressed tonight.
Not so much depressed, just really really hot.
In the inferno,
the traitors go to the ice.
She may be very cold…
Or He could shed grace upon her surpassing all human understanding.
RFK’s voice has been hoarse for decades. It is not “getting” hoarse. It is the direct result of a strong negative reaction he had to a vaccine many years ago.
Spasmotic Dysphonia is the condition – EIOB is correct, it’s a Vx injury.
Thanks for the lighter comment. There are so many dark discussions going on here today. And Trump looks better than e did in 2020.
FYI “Robert F. Kennedy Jr. suffers from spasmodic dysphonia, a rare neurological disorder that causes involuntary muscle contractions in the vocal cords, resulting in a strained, strangled, or breathy voice.” I looked it up after hearing him speak against vaccines.
Trump hasn’t lost MAGA!
AND HE DIDN’T LOSE THE LAST ELECTION.
But all the rest, both parties, are the poster children of LOSERS!
I hope you are wrong and I hope RFK Jr wins. He is a much better option than Trump. Trump is 1A. Also are you suggesting he is part of the op to beat Trump? How would it be possible for a Kennedy to cooperate with the people who whacked his Dad and Uncle?
I think that’s a long, long, long shot, old son.
@IAPolls2022
Trump is far better than RFK but you are right on the second part. RFK has nothing to do with the CIA.
Doesn’t mean the CIA has nothing to do with him.
I wouldn’t put anything passed our corrupt agencies.
That said JFK hurts Newsom far more then Trump and the CIA hates him.
If the CIA hated him, they would have disrupted his life.
Has he been raided?
Exposed for his past with women?
Accused by 20 women of sexual assault?
Sued?
Audited?
Foundation investigated?
And what is with the bizarre story that his son secretly went to fight in the Ukraine?
And there’s more:
https://news.yahoo.com/news/mary-kennedy-death-suicide-hung-herself-barn-125254170.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall&guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9wcmVzZWFyY2guY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAH7otuonAvOrtrkggkPmB_lMpHWQmym2YSiVg-dBfXkrGv1u1C8NVwhhkdlt_l-j7uoYrax4ZFYcM13e369b06sUolb2ATRiyH2Dst0iSn_7B4O7pIumxjnIN4wmLDDOMO8M6MosDpkjLUsw7vxXtskGA1LlH2xkY51f_lEFwRl8
About that son:
Those are some pretty photos for a war zone!
Those are probably just outtakes from the gayporno his son was starring in, like father – like son… From that “yellow” conspiracy rag “People” magazine –
Although Spada didn’t believe there was proof that the Kennedys were responsible for Monroe’s death, he said, “It was pretty clear that Marilyn had had sexual relations with both Bobby and Jack.“
Surprised this isn’t scrubbed, but so many people worship those scum nearly nobody even looks any more:
https://people.com/politics/marilyn-monroe-affair-john-f-kennedy-robert-f-kennedy/
It would seem that Ms Monroe may have been an operative/honey pot who was terminated?
No, Norma Jean Mortenson was abused by the J&R F**K duo, JF**K ‘shared’ his morphine with her, and when the brothers got tired of playing with her kicked her to the curb with threats and a severe addiction – when they got nervous she would mouth off, she got ‘done’…
Annunciata Patricia “Nuntzy” D’Alesandro was a mobster’s daughter with a heroin addiction (Jack’s morphine was better than Nuntzy’s dad’s heroin, and those low-class mick miscreants in the White House were a small step above the moulie hoodlums like FJB’s friends Corn Pop and Co. that Nuntzi rode for the horse) who took Norma Jean’s place getting double-teamed by J&RF**K. In return, Nuntzi’s mobster dad got a ‘government job’ and had the F**K’s get their drag-queen pal who was the head of the FBI to surpress any ‘derogatory information’ about her father.
Just for the record, it was RF**K who ‘handled’ erasing the Norma Jean problem.
Vigilant Citizen has written quite a bit on her in that direction… apparently she was a prototype-template… still today those who (are made to) imitate her at some point are of the same template…
{ https://vigilantcitizen.com/?s=marilyn+monroe }
Prove it!
“How would it be possible for a Kennedy to cooperate with the people who whacked his Dad and Uncle?”
Why don’t you ask Teddy Kennedy that question?
Old Teddy was a serious drunk until Orrin Hatch dried him out. I can’t even imagine how easy it would have be to compromise him with his womanizing, including but not limited to Mary Jo Kopechne.
What does RFK Jr know about economics?
What will restart the economy? Energy production and cutting regulations…RFK is a climate kook who is against both. Hard pass.
WTF?
RFK IS NOT AND WILL NEVER BE A BETTER OPTION THAN TRUMP!
Sundance didn’t ‘suggest’ Bobby socks would be part of an op. He outright ‘stated’ it and gave his argument.
Cooperate? How about IC tactics of bribery, blackmail, extortion and/or threats. That’s HOW!
Influence operations don’t work very well here.
Trump/MAGA for all the marbles!
Either you’re with us or you’re not!
Pretty easy to see where you fit in!
How would it be possible for a Kennedy to cooperate with the people who whacked his Dad and Uncle?
Teddy managed just fine. And apparently he was copacetic with the Clintons.
And Obama.
https://www.politico.com/story/2009/08/kennedy-legacy-shapes-obama-path-026493
Silver or lead?
All Trump needs to do is make sure the following question is clearly put in front of the voters: “Are you better off than you were four years ago?”
Yes Sundance, I will warn any w/in my sphere of influence to beware RFK, a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
With some luck, the IC insurance policy will fool insufficient numbers to be effective.
.
A messy election.
Cheating is evident and documented, with three-way race revealing no clear winner.
Courts get involved.
A quick remedy is needed so as to not throw the country into chaos.
The (D) candidate becomes quite belligerent, insisting the ‘cheating was not widespread’.
Our VSGPDJT huddles with RFK, Jr, and they MAKE A DEAL.
They agree to a co-presidency with Trump running the business of these United States, and RFK, Jr tackling over bloated agencies and corruption in those ranks.
Congress is befuddled, but their inability to get one damn thing done will follow them around during this co-presidency like a lost puppy as they try to rediscover what makes them relevant in the first place (hint: we’re a Republic).
The judiciary will be proven to be beholden to ‘foreign interests’ and be outed by someone who can judge fair all that the legal profession has been ‘programmed’ to do, dismantling procedures that only serve to weigh on the wrong side of the scales of justice.
People who are unable to reconcile this new paradigm within the constructs of our Constitution will continue to be butt-hurt.
Overall, a win/win situation.
NO! RFK= Pence, GHWB, Johnson etc.
RFK2 to be AG with a portfolio for revenge would fit with Trump’s agenda very well. The two appear to actually like each other in spite of their political differences so this is plausible.
RFK Jr. is a Hillary supporter and should be nowhere near the Trump administration, ever.
We need an AG that is not a lifetime member of the swamp or swamp adjacent.
The primary risk I see…well several.
Trump cannot pick RFK. It’s a trap, and you know what they will do and it won’t be a fake event like Santa Monica. They will try for two birds one stone.
The second problem is… RFK does not have to actually siphon votes. People just have to believe he did. The machines will take care of the rest. And it doesn’t matter what evidence you find. No judge will hear the cases, and of they do they will prevent the evidence.
Not losing hope. Never. Until I breathe my last it will be to fight them tooth and nail but whatever means I have even if that’s just my smile and my humor, perhaps undetectable in this post.
Last point. RFK’s support network on Telegram and elsewhere, think Erin Elizabeth et al… sadly it looks like they were part of the op the whole time and not being duped. Which is unfortunate.
I am so grateful every day I visit this site for 14 years. The land of Never Never Pretend. Grateful for everyone here and your vectors of joyful disruption in their machine. God prevails ultimately, I accept I might not be here when He does, I might not witness the victory… but we know it is certain. Cheers.
Independents haven’t been polling like that, independents skew conservative, even the liberal ones are more centrist. I bet that Trump gets 40%, RFK gets 40%, and Newsom gets 20%.
There are ALOT of Trump or nobody people right now. I wouldn’t jump ship if he is still living.
“I wouldn’t jump ship if he is still living.”
With all due respect; knock it off. Way too many people have posted something similar over the last couple of months.
If somebody does something, then, we will all pick one candidate and write them in… Maybe, Eric Trump. So enough already. Trial balloon deflated.
We will soon know if the DNC sees Kennedy as a threat. If they do he will be assassinated. If they don’t see him as a threat then Sundance is right.
You would be right if RFK wasn’t rich and didn’t have top notch security but he does. Trump was also a threat to the DNC but wasn’t killed because he had top level security.
Yeah, right.
Regarding Q – we can only note that Sundance has not posted (to my knowledge) anything about the explosive bombshells revealed by Jan Halper-Hayes and thumbed-up by Trump himself. Dr. Jan recommends A.J. Tata’s book “Double Crossfire” to “help understand some of what’s going on”. And while not giving anything away, I can say it’s a rocket roller-coaster of military Special-Ops against a Coup dÈtat network of political criminals. Trump’s “less than 5 months” comment the other day – what say you, Sundance?
That’s a good read – it ends with a cliff hanger; I hope he writes more. He was a Trump appointment.
Not of my usually-preferred genre, but it’s “out-of-the-comfort-zone” time for all of us.
My favorite quote from the book; attributed to ~ Barry Goldwater:
“Extremeism in the defense of Liberty is no vice… and moderation in the pursuit of Justice is no virtue.”
RFK Jr. knows he cannot win on an Independent ticket…so I don’t understand what his goal really is. I do see some Democrats voting for him and maybe some independents. I hear from some of my young family members that they are considering voting for RFK Jr. on the Democrat ticket because they are mad at Trump over the vaccine and its promotion. If this holds true, I don’t know if those votes will translate to Independent votes, knowing they are throw-aways.
I’m hoping Republicans have learned their lesson with ballot harvesting and mail-ins where it is legal and we can harvest enough votes that way. Also, I believe that we will have massive support voting in person on election day and in early voting. I just think that things have gotten bad enough with the far-left insanity that people will support Trump more than what the polls say.
I’m praying you’re wrong on this one, Sundance. Also, on your last point, I’m not sure what you meant about “the Kennedy narrative stemmed from the “Q”-Anon”. I do remember your warning about “Q” back in 2018 being harmful to POTUS. I just don’t see how RFK Jr. is linked at all, other than being a Kennedy.
Why do we keep talking about votes when the currency is ballots. RFK Jr provides a place to park those pesky Trump ballots that are rejected by the ballot machine and need those expert poll worker’s discernment skills.
A valid point!
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai has a mouthful to say about RFK Jr and his past vax and lockdown stands….
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Here is the POS BOOBY’s actual tweet on MAR 2020 promoting LOCKDOWNS since it would “slow COVID” and it save the “environment”.
Full thread…👇
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1707932052954186126.html
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The 8 part tweet he linked about JFK Jr’s inconsistencies can be read in full in this reader app…
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1650146065864179715.html
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And I’m sorry, but requiring your Christmas guests to be vaccinated or tested before coming and then blaming it on your wife is pretty lame.
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Anti-vaxxer Robert F. Kennedy Jr. blames his Curb Your Enthusiasm star wife Cheryl Hines for ordering guests attending holiday party at his California home to get vaccinated or tested
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10321283/Anti-vaxxer-RFK-Jr-ordered-guests-attending-holiday-party-California-home-vaccinated.html
This needs to be spread on social media before his announcement!
First he ditches his wife for a hot blond actress, she commits suicide and a decade later successor hot blond actress wife mandates poy-SUN death shot for entry into holiday party. Is that RFK Jr summed up in one sentence?
I cannot possibly recall where I heard or read this, but it was my distinct impression that plenty of people fervently believe that a Trump/Kennedy ticket would be absolutely unbeatable.
Since PDJT was close long time friends with JFK, Jr., presumably he’s also known RFK, Jr. for decades as well.
I don’t get what all the fuss is about, unless this is simply some type of influence campaign to get people seriously discussing RFK, Jr.
Were he to become vice president …… what do you think?
Trump has stated he has great respect for RFK. I also think the insinuation that the CIA is the supporting him is nuts.
But, seriously, everything about the CIA is so radically nuts, that an operation that is clinically crazy and absolutely irrational is frankly right up their criminal alley.
That said, I cannot possibly imagine RFK, Jr. ever colluding with the agency that assassinated his father and uncle.
That idea is even more preposterous than the CIA, itself, is.
Again, in this context, please explain Uncle Ted and Caroline Kennedy.
I explained Uncle Ted elsewhere. Caroline is just a lightweight.
It was a rhetorical question.
Please provide the evidence where Trump stated that about Bobby.
This site is well known for exposing and explaining how the Fourth Branch (IC community) is in control of the government.
All efforts in politics is to counter and prevent Trump from taking power and everyone knows it.
Please reconcile for all of us stupid Treepers how the insinuation that the CIA is supporting Bobby is “nuts” given those facts.
Inquiring minds would like to know.
Trump would never have RFK Jr as a VP.
Trump listened to RFK Jr about childhood vaccines and autism and talked about investigated the connectiin during his 2016 primary run.
However, he dropped RFK Jr early on also. Probably due to advice about his radical crazy side.
Trump recently said he still wants the childhood vaccine issue investigated scientifically.
What are they planning to do with Big Pharma … that miserable evil money making machine creating billionaires out of the intentional creation of illnesses in the peons, peasants and serfs?
Trump announced his intention to create a Vaccine Safety Commission with RFKII in the Chair position; just after his 2016 election, before inauguration, he made that announcement.
IMO, he received what I interpret as a mob threat… as he apparently ghosted RFKII according to RFKII himself; the commission was never spoken of by Trump again, nor did it materialize. He only recently stated that he would address endemic/epidemic chronic childhood illnesses and bring pHARMa to account. (What’s been taking place under the radar?)
What do YOU think this braggart is bragging about?
{ Bill Gates Mob Threat mocks Trump meetings in exclusive – YouTube }
also remember this…?
{ Bill Hicks • Mr. President, any questions? – YouTube }
I couldn’t disagree with Sundance’s assessment more. 15%++ of Dems support Kennedy and most of Desantis supporters don’t, and won’t, with the exception of the big donors. It should also be noted that RFK is about as anti CIA as they come. I think that this will hurt the Dem candidate far more than Trump and that includes a radical Californian like Newsom. Dems are panicked over it.
Since you’re so against what Sundance states and disagree with him and us Treepers so much, why are you here?
Influencing? ✅🤔🤔😂
You can always start your own website to opine.
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Anyone else unable to access the site from a desktop? Kapersky has blocked it, site can’t be reached.
I have no problem..
Probably a setting problem. I am on a laptop with Kapersky loaded and no problem.
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I don’t know why people are so worried about RFK hurting Trump.
He’s a strict environmentalist and as such won’t take the white working class vote in the rust belt, won’t take the oil vote wherever it can be found, and isn’t going to take the evangelical vote because of abortion. He doesn’t even have the 2A position to take irreligious conservative voters away.
RFK hurts the Dems almost exclusively. He, and not the Dem, will be the recipient of the dwindling percentage of Never Trump voters, woke wine moms, and granola Bernie bros, potentially putting CO, NM, MN, NH, VA, ME and every “swing” state in the Trump column.
Yet here we are, worrying ourselves sick with 13 months to play out.
FFS.
Ron DeSantis was supposed to batter Trump on COVID, but his true record was exposed, and he was unable to do so.
RFK Jr then entered the arena to try to do the job that Meatball couldn’t.
Haley is the new darling of the GOPe donor class following Ron!s’ implosion.
Does RFK Jr know he is part of this anti-Trump op?
I will admit that I followed Q, which taught me nothing more than to ask questions, try and connect dots and do my own research. Before Q, I was not politically motivated. I will also admit that i do not recall a Kennedy narrative during Q, but felt that the underlying message was very pro Trump.
That being said, absolutely, RFK Jr is an op to draw funding and votes away from Trump. This saddens me, in a way, as is research into Fauci and the vax was stellar. For him, then, to essentially support the ‘coalition’ that is involved in the political destruction of the. US, is disturbing. But it is what it is. I agree fully with Sundance, that the RFK Jr presence is meant to draw support away from Trump only. So, with this knowledge, just as we used our knowledge about DeSantis to change the narrative, we need to do the same with. RFK Jr. It is important that independent who would have veered to Trump, understand that they are being purposefully manipulated.
I suspected it was the Q people spreading the Kennedy is working for the CIA story.
Thanks for the affirmation. I’m voting Trump. Plenty of Dems will vote for JFK over Newsom.
Really? I thought Sundance just did that with this post?
Man, my eyes and reading comprehension must be failing.
Why is Elon dipping his toe into the USA border problems now? Is there some deep state plan to have him run for office possibly? Might be a dumb question……just seems an odd thing for him to be doing up front (as in bread and circus theatre) for the world to see as he secretly does AI evilness and works for China.
Every and any border exposure is a good thing…
Quite frankly, I would wager his voters will be the Kennedy name followers. There will be democrats who believe the Kennedy’s were a great family and did much for the country. This will also include both older republicans and younger individuals who have read the various accounts of what the Kennedy’s has done and suffered. The others who choose to not be associated as either a republican or democrat party will stay either true to the liberal or conservative issues.
God save us.
What Independent party?
There is no such thing as far as I know. The only third party I know of is the Libertarian party.
Seneca, there are quite a few other registered ‘third parties’. Have you never hear of the Green party? The Constitution party? Granted they are not presently registered in every state.
But I don’t think Kennedy is talking about an ‘Independent party’ per se, just running independently. So he will have to jump through different legal hoops in each state according to their particular election rules for an independent candidate/run to be on the ballot.
It should be interesting to see which states pave the way or block the way for him to accomplish this.
Since the Ron! supporters are basically Bushie neocons (that being the base of his support), it is a stretch to suggest that they will support an explicitly anti-war candidate. That batch of Never Trump will support whomever the Democrats nominate unless they reanimate Egg McMuffin or someone similar (Romney?)
I don’t hate RFK, but my vote is still going to Trump. Somewhere, I saw someone speculate on the idea of a Trump/Kennedy ticket. Wouldn’t that be something? Although I doubt RFK would be fully on board with the MAGA program.
Heck. I don’t see much sunlight between RDS and RFK.
Both are against the intolerable social issues that TPTB created ..child mutilation, the open border, out of control teachers, vaccine madness…… yet neither has taken a firm stand against the issues most desired by those same powers that be.
I do think that an independent RFK makes it easier for the voting machines to swap votes to whomever is their desired candidate.
This week, Bill gates and others did a massive pivot away from oppressive and in-your-face liberal dictates towards the center.
So what does that mean?
RDS and all of the GOP losers are now officially political toast.
The Left is pivoting to the center because it will help pull votes towards their desired candidate…. whomever that will be.
Trump exposes this in his recent speeches. They move from their initial position because it alienates people with an election coming up. After the election, the original position reappears. Think McCain being a Conservative for 2 months every 6 years.
“With Gavin Newsom as the DNC candidate coming out of Chicago, what does RFK Jr. do to THAT contest with Trump? That’s the question.”
This would be the case if the Dems fail to keep Trump from being the nominee. This question changes drastically if they succeed and take out Trump. I could see Trump voters going with RFK Jr. before joining up with any of the current swamp creatures rather than not voting. Its somewhat comforting that no one else even considers this a possible scenario. I’ll gladly except being wrong or even a nut job.
That’s one hell of an “op”!
Plan A is to take Trump out with Lawfare.
If it’s Youngkin vs Newsome and Kennedy (maybe “no labels” Manchin too)
then Bobby wins! He’ll crush them in the debates.
That’s “their” scenario, not mine.
Do you really think that “they” want Bobby?
He has as many enemies in DC as Trump.
Book is out on who RFK Jr takes the most votes from too.
I’ve gotta see more evidence of an “op”.
The tell will be whether or not Democrats try to get RFK Jr kicked off the ballot. Biden is clearly afraid of RFK Jr, won’t debate him, denies him SS protection, his cronies in the DNC are doing everything to ensure there is no real Democratic primary. Democrats did a lot to remove the Green Party and other independents from the ballot in 2020.
In my opinion, the SS protection story was put out to make him a sympathetic figure and to falsely claim he is an outsider…Same with the show hearing on censorship the GOP invited him to.
Sundance’s theory may very well be true, but the criminal cabal will ensure a fraudulent election victory by other means, i.e., mail in voting and electronic real time voter tabulation overrides.
I hope he has better security than his father and uncle.
CattleDog’s foolproof globalist detector:
Do they have (or seeking) power and influence? Do they support “climate change”?— No/No: Not a globalist
— Yes/No: Likely not a globalist
— No/Yes: Possible globalist, may just be stupid
— Yes/Yes: Absolutely a globalist
Fear is the globalists most powerful tool. And “climate change” is their largest weapon by far. Everything they do, they use climate fear to justify it. Electric car mandates, gas stove bans, windmills, smart cities, $10 light bulbs, solar farms, artificially inflated energy rates (gas/electric)…
Regardless if you agree with him on a single narrow topic, he is a globalist. If you are a patriot and you have enough brains to get your toothpaste onto your toothbrush, then there is no way in hell you should ever vote or even sympathize with a vote for RFK Jr.
Incorrect! He said the climate industry was full of corruption and he was going to end it. If anything, he is telegraphing that he will double down on climate hysteria. The world is at stake, pay attention!
I like the Globalist detector!
The environmental thing is easy to dupe people with, there is where your fear tool is a sharp one. Christians think; we need to take care of God’s earth. Except they miss the point we can’t change the climate and they are worshiping the earth instead of placing their trust in God. The people who want to feel like they can have an impact are all in on saving the planet and can easily be duped into worshiping the planet.
All the while the money grubbers are rubbing their hands and selling more windmills, solar panels and eCars…
So many lost souls. Pray for mercy!
Lord have mercy on us!
This is one of the few times I have to disagree with Sundance. I don’t think RFK Jr. running is planned by the deep state to remove Biden.
RFK is unpredictable which makes him a threat to DC establishment. Especially since he will expose their involvement in his father’s and Uncle’s assassination and US sponsored bio weapons throughout the world.
President Trump speech yesterday, brilliantly framed Newsom, much like he did with DeSantis before he announced. Trump always makes me laugh!
With West, RFK, $100 oil, high interest rates , and Ukraine’s army about to be destroyed the odds for a President Trump victory increase dramatically. That is why the Democrats are convinced their only chance of victory is to convict President Trump in the the DC, Atlanta, NYC Kangaroo courts.
A 20-30 % decline in the stock market will put the nail in the coffin for the Democrats.
Hey RFK jr, nice life you have there? We can help you run as an independent….
Does that sound like DS influence?
Secession is the only real answer. Things just aren’t bad enough yet.
I don’t know. I believe RFK mainly pulls moderates who are really angry about the plandemic/jab scam. RDS-neverTrump won’t change their trajectory even with a 2×4 intervention. I hold out hope that RFK may make some Democrat voters vote Democrat again. The DemCommieFascist coalition has to break under the weight of all of the economic misery it’s causing.
Some of those Democrat voters voting Democrat again have and would again vote for PDJT.
That has always been his goal, to tempt back folk that like President Trump but can be conned by a Kennedy.
That’s the question, isn’t it…are there more Biden voters who would turn to RFK than Democrats willing to cross over for Trump? Regardless, the numbers would have to be enormous to overcome the thumb on the scale.
Sundance is correct in affirming that RFKJr’s prospective votership overlaps significantly with Trump’s, and that media-hypnotized Democrat voters will not readily overcome their anti-RFKJr programming, any more than they will their anti-Trump programming. In a three-way race, RFKJr empowers the steal and thereby throws the election to whomever the designated Democrat may be.
Personally, I think that masters of the behavioral sciences long ago rendered national elections irrelevant. The Federal government is going to do what it is programmed to do by its owners, who are supranational and committed to the destruction of legacy USA. Were our Federal government reformable, we would observe evidence of this in the refusal of its rank-and-file to follow orders in undermining legacy USA.
RFKJr’s principal merit may rest in his eloquence when describing the catastrophe that has befallen our system of government. His words reach an audience that finds Trump’s more visceral language repulsive. They will enlarge the swath of the populace that resists the forced destruction.
Whether RFKJr’s candidacy is an IC op? Very likely. Is there a candidacy that isn’t one? As long as we plebes are projecting our hopes onto a superhero like Trump or even RFKJr, we, writ large, are probably not doing very much to change facts on the ground.