Many people are talking about this today; it is an interesting dynamic.
According to Mediaite with the exclusive first story, Robert Kennedy Jr. will announce his transition from a candidate on the Democrat ticket to a candidate on the Independent ticket for the 2024 presidential contest. RFK Jr. will make the announcement on October 9th, in Pennsylvania.
(Via Mediaite) 2024 presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. plans to announce he will run as an independent on October 9 in Pennsylvania, Mediaite has learned.
Kennedy’s campaign machine is now planning “attack ads” against the Democratic National Committee in order to “pave the way” for his announcement in Philadelphia about running as an independent, according to a text reviewed by Mediaite.
“Bobby feels that the DNC is changing the rules to exclude his candidacy so an independent run is the only way to go,” a Kennedy campaign insider told Mediaite. (more)
My thoughts are the same today as they were when we first discussed RFK Jr.
None of the Lightbringer’s supporters/voters and ballot harvesters are going to support RFK Jr. None of the leftists who follow social media or traditional media influence operations, the sheeple masses, are going to vote for RFK Jr. None of the party Democrats are going to vote for RFK Jr. None of the Gavin Newsom supporters are going to support RFK Jr.
So, who will vote for RFK Jr?
ANSWER: Two core groups.
#1) Ron DeSantis supporters. When RdS drops out, his coalition of support, the Never Trump Republicans, will flow to RFK Jr.
#2) Approximately one-third of unregistered, unaffiliated or what we would call “independent” voters. About a third of them.
Independents will fracture into three subsets. Approximately 1/3 supporting Gavin Newsom. Approximately 1/3 supporting Donald Trump. Approximately 1/3 supporting Robert Kennedy Jr.
With DeSantis Republicans and one-third of independent voters, that’s the RFK Jr. coalition.
As I said from the outset, RFK Jr. is the intelligence community insurance policy against the threat of Donald Trump.
RFK Jr. running as an independent will tilt the election to Gavin Newsom.
Stop thinking about RFK Jr. taking votes from Biden. Unfortunately, this will be the narrative; this will be what is polled. However, Joe Biden will not be the DNC nominee.
The correct question is, what does RFK Jr. running as an independent do to the 2024 contest when it is Gavin Newsom -vs- Donald Trump?
In that scenario, the motives and intentions of RFK Jr. taking votes from Biden, because Joe Biden is a blithering idiot, disappears. Democrats will happily stick with Newsom…. which is exactly why his visibility is everywhere right now. It’s an op.
RFK Jr. running as an independent, is part of that op.
Reset your reference point to the baseline where the intelligence operatives do not want you to be. When someone starts asking the question about RFK Jr. taking votes from Biden, stop them immediately. Joe Biden will not be the nominee. With Gavin Newsom as the DNC candidate coming out of Chicago, what does RFK Jr. do to THAT contest with Trump? That’s the question.
You all know the answer.
This is an op.
There is no more beautifully run intelligence operation than when the target of the intelligence operation represents the interests of the intelligence operation. The irony of a Kennedy is just a cherry on the operational cake.
Last point. Remember when I warned about “Q” back in 2018 ,and people got very, very mad at me for my position? Do you think it is accidental the Kennedy narrative stemmed from the “Q”-Anon origin?
Save the Date, Save the Country. #Kennedy24 pic.twitter.com/rSSs7flPKa
— Robert F. Kennedy Jr (@RobertKennedyJr) September 29, 2023
Reading the comments in here I see that the use of RFK as a splitter against Trump is indeed a success.
Elle,
It will be difficult for *them* to get voters to un-remember
how good our economy was under Trump.
“People vote with their pocket-books” is a very true statement.
It will become even more important as our economy tanks even harder.
Not really. Most of those promoting Bobby socks are professional influencers trying to drive a wedge in MAGA.
It will fail!
I know its not considerate to argue with our host Sundance or someone as revered as you BK or Hokkoda but here goes.
I’ll never vote for RFK Jr. I see him as a splitter but coming from the established Demoncrat side. I don’t think MAGA voters will be persuaded to dividing off. Bill Clinton was installed by Ross Perot dividing conservatives from GOPe. It was obvious to anyone looking when he took the summer off for his son’s wedding that his goal wasn’t winning. MAGA is solid in all the polls.
-All the GOPe that voted for Hillary in 2020 will splinter their vote off to RFK Jr instead of the official candidate. That helps not hurts PDJT
-All the Bernie Boys that have been fried by Super Delegates again reduce the total of the official Dem candidate. Again +PDJT
-The appeal of a member of “Camelot“ will divide Dems who think the socialists have stolen their party. +PDJT
The dividing of the Demoncrat vote makes producing ballots for the head of the ticket much harder because there are less real votes to hide the ballots in.
As an independent RFK Jr is a anvil in the gears of the Demoncrat machine. Their strength is in sussing out the potentials. Once the Dem parts are broken apart and divided between two candidates their plans are shattered.
How do they put Humpty back together before the election when MAGA is so united?
Man, I am not revered.
Reviled by some.
Comes with the territory.
And I have disagreed with SD on some finer points also from time to time and spoke my piece, but he and the mods let me continue commenting.
Nothing wrong with honest debate/disagreement when it’s founded on logic rather than emotion.
Unfortunately, we have a lot of influencers come thru here too. Discernment is tricky thing with those.
But it was nice of you to say that.
You make a fine argument in your opinion.
I appreciate anyone that will take on sheepdog responsibilities. CTH is better with you here.
I look forward to hearing your opinion even if I don’t agree.
I generally assume they’re part of a campaign. Like the Ramaswamy types who were frequenting the board back during the first loser debate.
That is exactly what is going on, Hokkoda!
I wonder if it is part of the forgetting to marginalize and discount Rich Baris and The People’s Pundit with The Big Data Poll?
“Kennedy’s campaign machine is now planning “attack ads” against the Democratic National Committee in order to “pave the way” for his announcement in Philadelphia about running as an independent, according to a text reviewed by Mediaite.”
However, in his two minute X spot Kennedy attacks corruption in both parties…
For corruption in the executive branch Biden appears at :45 and at :46 President Trump appears holding up his mug shot photo in split second moments.
The assumption in the ad is that President Trump is also corrupt thereby satisfying the Trump haters, especially within the Democrat Party—whereas the true assumption in this one second flash should be that Biden’s corruption extends to using the DOJ as a weapon against his opponent.
Kennedy’s ad is deceptive and dishonest.
Trump supporters should be angered by this, not split from him.
Kennedy is mostly silent about the stolen 2020 election.
Kennedy is no different than anybody else running for president in that he sanctions the stolen election through his silence.
I will only support President Trump. I re registered as an Independent/NPA because I had a bellyful of glossy flyers and fake handwritten notes on fake linen paper from ron! and Styrofoam cup emails crying poormouth from the Racketeer National Committee.
Also, I couldn’t stand the idea of being part of a club that really didn’t like me or my free thinking ways. President Trump was really the first Third Party candidate to win not one but two Elections in a very long time.
I will never forget the Republican’t slugs throwing a piss-their-pants tantrum at the lecterns when they demamded President trump to sign a pledge to run as a Republican in 2015. They never got over the fact he beat the brakes off them at their own game. Then they decided to punish us like nobody’s business for daring to defy their stranglehold on power by undermining President Trump and looking the other way when the Demonscats installed jotey taters.
Can you vote in the GOP primary in Florida if you aren’t a registered Republican?
Google it
I would prefer to have a conversation about it. Thanks for the response, though. And you shouldn’t use Google search.
I know you can’t in Oregon but we’re a blue state, one of the first to do mail in ballots, haven’t had a repub. Gov. in ages and this beautiful state is in the shitter, but I live in the Southern part of Oregon and it’s not as blue as Portland/Salem but like most blue states it’s the seat of power that has the majority votes to keep us blue.
Yandex and Freespok are non-censored alternatives. Only use Google for physical locations because they are the best at that. The rest, they’re commies.
No.
You have to register D or R to vote in the primary here.
Thanks for the information.
Nope
Thanks!
No, only registered Republicans can vote in the Republican primaries in Florida. I am a fervent MAGA conservative registered as NPA, but I switch party affiliation on the last day to do so before the primaries. As soon as I vote for Trump in next year’s primary, I’ll walk over to the elections office and switch back to NPA. I suspect a lot of other people do the same – mostly to avoid the junk mail and robo-calls from the RNC.
I think many more Republicans have become disgusted with the party leaders and switched to Independent than disillusioned Democrats have done. The Democrats seem just fine with their party’s direction or they just don’t care about politics and go along with anything they see on CNN. When they do switch, it’s more likely they join the Republican Party than become an independent.
IMHO, there’s a large percentage of Independents who are actually MAGA.
No. There is good and bad to that. More good than bad imo on the national level, not so good in eliminating congress critters.
I (we all) despise them too, but is there any chance you would reconsider and switch your registration back? Trump needs every vote he can get to beat their shenanigans-even in the primaries.
I’m in Florida and changed my registration from Independent to Republican so I could vote for Trump in the 2016 primaries. You have to do this at least 29 days in advance. For the 2020 primary vote, my husband waited too long and couldn’t vote in the Primaries, even though Trump was pretty much declared the nominee. We are both registered as Republicans now so that we can support President Trump in the primary as well as the general election. I suggest changing your registration as soon as possible to support Trump in the primary.
That’s an insult to slugs!
I don’t know.
I can see RFK Jr taking bites from Biden from disaffected Democrats…
but Newsome policies will be no different than Biden’s.
I can see RFK Jr grabbing disaffected GOP votes, the “no way I’ll ever vote for Trump” GOP votes…
Guess the question becomes in what states will RFK Jr and even Cornell West impact the electoral vote in a state?
Could RFK Jr carry any states for electoral votes?
He doesn’t need to win any states, see Ross Perot.
or George Wallace.
He also could be a problem in open primary states…especially in states that have a 50% plus threshold for winner take all delegates.
One year from now many people will say, “What was I thinking last winter supporting RFKjr?”. He will get 1980 John Anderson numbers…6-7%.
Plan B is Gruesome and an popular right now Independent with a Voice you can’t listen to who is a turncoat to his uncle and his own father.
There are no coincidences.
Is RFK Jr. really going to assist the agency which he has repeatedly accused of murdering his father and uncle? That was my first thought when I read SD’s post. I don’t think Kennedy is stupid. You may be right about the turncoat label.
I wondered from the start what really motivated him to get into this race.
And that armed-up interloper at his campaign event – he seemed pretty set up too, like the J6 crashers.
I’m going for a walk in the woods. At least I know the trees are real. I hope.
Some of those “trees” might be satellite antennas in disguise. Just sayin.. 🤷♀️
“#1) Ron DeSantis supporters. When RdS drops out, his coalition of support, the Never Trump Republicans, will flow to RFK Jr. “
That seems better than going to Newsom which they would have without Kennedy?
“#2) Approximately one-third of unregistered, unaffiliated or what we would call “independent” voters. About a third of them.”
Most of the ProKennedy comments here at CTH seem botish to me or paid to post. Unless the UniParty spends a huge amount of money Kennedy is not going to get many votes from this group.
I just do not see it Sundance, but you have been correct all along. I guess this is why PsyOps work so well. I thought I was a High ranking Treeper, but I have been demoted to Private again!
I had to look up the word botish… there are several definitions…hummm
I didn’t know we Treepers are “ranked”!
The swarm of botish comments all have the same tone and verbiage. To be honest these new posters sound like bots to me. When this thread went up it was swarmed. Looks like we treepers will have a long dirty job ahead…
I don’t know. I just don’t know. RFK Jr at core is an old school Democrat like Bill Clinton… I think lots of Democrats are sick of these leftist Democrat policies and Newsome’s would be no different.
It seems to me that lots of Democrats would vote for RFK Jr.
But agree that many of RFK Jr big ideas are Trump ideas… close the border, empty the deep state, we were lied to about Covid, revive American workers, stop Ukraine war, and stop the censoring… so I could see how he’d get GOP votes that can’t stand the Trump alpha male personality.
Newsome will be a lying handful in the debate with DeSantis, too.
Gary, the way you describe JFK’s platform he sounds like PDT. I just trust PDT.
Except he’s into Glow Bull War Ming.
RFK is right about the vaccines and COVID and Trump is not. That is Trump’s biggest weakness and one thing that DeSantis has over him. Trump could consolidate more support by addressing that.
I don’t agree with most of what RFK says, but I suspect many Democrats do. Not sure who he pulls more votes from. But l think it goes to a bit of an extreme to say he’s an intelligence asset. Didn’t we just have a discussion about how he’s been denied Secret Service protection and a would be assisting infiltrated his campaign?
Wrong on Trump
I agree with Black Knight, Trump let the states decide what they were going to do. I do not believe that Newson will take Biden’s place as the nominee. Michelle “Mike” Obama will be the name on the ballet, with the husband directing the path forward. It is a VERY real possibility that RFKJr is there to take votes away from Trump, mostly because D’Santis has failed, he will not be the actual nominee.
THANK YOU, Sundance! A wonderful window into other angles (with a depth of insider information).
Michelle O. is enjoying the lifestyle of the rich and famous globalist hack. She isn’t going to give that up to run. More likely VP Harris will offered that lifestyle in return for dropping out.
Yes she has proven herself to be totally lazy and self indulgent. Plus, how committed is she to keeping her true gender undercover? LOL. Would she come out before the election? If not, is that considered Fraud & an impeachable offense from the get-go? That’s a lot of work to create her get-up everyday. IMHO the Chef probably saw too much when she let “her hair down”, didn’t keep quiet, and that’s one of the reasons he’s no longer with us.
Well, if Michelle does jump into the race, the nomination is hers for the taking. The polling showing Trump up several points over Biden makes me very uneasy because it creates complacency in the MAGA base. Switch Biden for Michelle and those points will disappear. For reasons beyond my ability to comprehend, she is very popular with a large swath of Americans. I wonder if the Newsom buildup is not to place him at the top of the ticket, but instead set him up for the VP slot with Michelle at the top of the ticket.
One thing is for sure, she won’t be the VP on anyone else’s ticket. No way the Obamas will ever lower themselves to reside at Number One Observatory Circle instead of the White House.
Trying to like won’t take. I don’t know what to think anymore.
oh please, the lies about President Trump and Covid/vaccines MUST cease.
They aren’t lies. They are documented.
He IS weak on this issue. Yes, I know he never mandated the infernal thing. He just brags about a dangerous concoction that is killing and maiming people, and is anything but “safe and effective”.
No he doesn’t.
He ‘brags’ about implementing Operation Warp Speed that effectively countered arguments and efforts to keep the public locked down by leftist D state and local officials.
As I remember, President Trump advised taking hydroxychloroquine at one point.
lf we look at Africa, where they have been taking hydroxychloroquine for years for malaria, the c-19 death rate was much lower.
However, this drug was completely debunked here in the good ole’ USofA, as was anything else a person might take to protect his health – ivermectin, Vit. D, healthy food, exercise, Vit. C.
These were never mentioned to any of us. We were inundated with guilt, ads and fear to aim us at the injection and nothing else. Nada mas!
So terrible.
I always remember that Donald Trump is not a medical person in the slightest.
Not only this, but hydroxy and Ivermectin were pulled off the shelves and not made available here. I know of pharmacies that refused to fill even doxycycline if prescribed for COVID. The GVT shut down anything that could help keep you out of the hospital. Remember that.
pence was in charge of the covid19 vaccine development warp speed bio-weapon. PDT delegated that authority to him.
fauci already had the vaccine and patents in hand.
so forget blaming Trump for the vaccine bio-weapon.
To simplify this for those too dense to comprehend: The people who relentlessly attack President Trump and blame him for Covid are the SAME globalists who invented and released those bioweapons in the first place!
President Trump, the enemy of *our* enemy, is therefore our friend.
I had 4 refills left on an Ivermectin prescription I had received from a frontline doctor in FL. When I went into a NY pharmacy to refill the prescription it was returned to me marked “0 refills.”
Even in Florida, the doctor had to direct me to a particular pharmacy to ensure the IVM prescription would be properly filled. Since when do pharmacists question or deny any FDA-approved medication that is prescribed by a doctor to a patient, off label use or not?
Have these medical “professionals” all lost their freaking minds?
They sold their souls.
Exactly.
And it was the FDA pushed by Big Pharma to ban HCQ and Ivermectin.
They were mentioned by Frontline Doctors and other groups but were relentlessly attacked by government bureaucrats, bribed AMA and the MSM.
In CA physicians can have their licenses taken away now if they contradict the CDC thanks to Newsollini & his supermajority of homicidal criminals in the state legislature.
He brags about rushing to help people that were dying. It wasn’t until later that that ‘concoction’ was known to be a danger to people. You can’t blame a president for trying to quickly stop a virus that was putting people in the hospital at an alarming rate and surely offering a very nasty death. You want to lay the blame on someone try Facci or any number of scientists and pharma that assured him it was safe and effective. Plus he got the ball rolling but Pence was the handler of this almost from the beginning. He, if anyone in the administration, should have been aware of any danger, he was the up close person.
To be honest, I don’t know anyone who has bee killed or maimed by the vaccine and my family all are fully vaccinated plus…every booster.
Don’t worry!
Truth will out.
In time…… meaning years, not decades.
Or on Judgement Day, when these psychopaths who created these schemes will see their future lies in the toasty environment of Hades along with Diane Feinstein.
I agree. Trump was played like a fiddle in 2020 on COVID and let those task force idiots lie and fool him along with millions of our friends and family.
But Sundance is correct, RFK, JR is also being played here too. The entire election has become a pysop but few will believe it.
I think every election since at least 1964has been a psyop.
I am old enough to remember well the JFK 1960 election, the national trauma of his assassination in 1963 (my freshman yr in college), RFK’s run for US Senate from NY and his assassination in 1968 etc. etc. A big voting block for those two Kennedys was made up of upper middle-class suburban Democrat women. Younger brother Teddy was kept in the Senate by Massachusetts voters who did not want to lose power in that chamber as well as to keep alive the Kennedy mystique despite Chappaquiddick. That group still exists but is fractured, with boomer women dying off, still devoted to abortion as their cause, and more single women than married. RFKJr is not exactly famous for his marital successes and I’m sure whoever the candidates are he’s pitted against will point out these problems. Haven’t heard his opinion on “reproductive rights”! Maybe his mother should speak out on this topic. I wonder if Ethel’s still around?
A treeper on this thread put up a link to an article about his addiction to sex and his conquests. It was from his personal diary his late wife ( suicide) made public. IF TRUE,he sounds pretty sick to me.
Operation Warp Speed was a partnership between the Departments of Health and Human Services (HHS) and Defense (DOD)—aimed to help accelerate the development of a COVID-19 vaccine. Every government agency, big pharm, the media, medical journals (Lancet), renowned universities (Johns Hopkins), scientists, were euphoric about oobtaining an effective vaccine less than a year after the COVID-19 pandemic began. It was heralded as an unprecedented achievement.
Only recently have we been exposed to the ugly truth by courageous members of the scientific and legal profession. They’ve sacrificed their lives and professions. And still most people believe the vaccines saved lives.
And now you want to blame President Trump for believing he was saving lives?
I agree with you. The lamestream media screamed at any alternative treatment Trump supported. Trump was stuck in a place where he had to accept the “accepted” medical professionals and go along with Fauci’s and CDC’s recommendations on lockdowns, masks, and protocol treatments (abuse) the hospitals were giving.
The thought that hospitals were turning people away until their “breathing condition” got worse, slapping ventilators on their faces when they returned with worse breathing, then administering a known failed Fauci protocol – Remdesivir (an experimental drug) that causes kidney failure. Thank God I did not have an asthma attack during that time that may have been misdiagnosed as COVID-19 with faulty tests.
I didn’t take the experimental vaccine for COVID-19 out of fear because it brought back bad memories of the swine flu vaccine I was forced to take in the Military in 1976. I haven’t trusted a flu vaccine since then, and am now skeptical of all vaccines that do not hold big Pharma accountable. I never understood taking an experimental drug for a virus that had a 98% survival rate for my age group.
You’re correct. It’s a lose/ lose proposition. Unless they are complete idiots, those who already suspect these EXPERIMENTAL vaxes are poison, will simply choose *not* to take them. No apologies are necessary.
And those happy residents of LaLa land who *gratefully* receive EXPERIMENTAL injections and boosters, well, they don’t want an apology, either.
Those who DO realize the damage caused by Big Harma, FDA, CDC and DOD, lo these many years, should know exactly *where* to go looking for their “apology.”
Trump was played because he is a self-admitted germaphobe. Globalists exploited that big time.
The denial of Secret Service protection may be part of a deception. It may be that RFK Jr actually has deep state assistance with security. I wonder whether RFK Jr would agree to join forces with the DNC and / or the deep state to facilitate a Newsom or Biden win or facilitate the deep state that murdered his father and uncle?
Perhaps a DNC “reconcilliation” based on among other things keeping a Kennedy in the democrat party would lead to RFK Jr being the candidate, but the problem with such a scenario is that RFK Jr’s issues are largely quite inconsistant with the apparent goals of the deep state. Moreover, would it be inclined to welcome the scrutiny of the vaccine and Ukraine war issues that would attend an RFK candidacy ?
It occurs to me that the level of “never Trump” passion within the electorate has declined and continues to do so. RFK Jr. is no 2nd Amendment champion / armed populace champion. He would divert some voters from Trump but more from Biden / Newsom.
I have read here that RFKjr has stated he is supporter of the Green deal ———He will not bring back
our “ENERGY INDEPENDANCE”———which is our only chance to solve our problems!
Make our country GREAT AGAIN and vote for the DONALD ——STOP THIS
TALK OF A WOKE (60’S) WANT-TO-BE !
He’d have to be seriously mentally ill to join with the people he publicly holds responsible for murdering his family and destroying it from top to bottom. I guess it’s easy to imagine it’s possibly when it’s not your family murdered. If it were me, I’d be waiting an entire lifetime if necessary to extract my revenge and right now is looking like that window of opportunity. That said, things are so F’ed up, anything is possible. In the meantime I see he’s reaching certain segments of the popular few people can reach due to his pedigree. There are many old school Dems – JFK/RFK Dems who until now, have refuse to open their eyes and acknowledge their party has changed radically to the point of no return.
You are lying about PDJT and the vaccines.
Remember….. most liberals, not just the far left progressives and commies were firmly in favor of the vaccine and mask mandates.
I believe a huge percentage of liberals would never EVER vote for RFK, Jr. due to their staunch True Believer group think programming regarding the vaccine.
Never has so much college level education been a complete waste to this country! The thousands of courses about the immune system and memory T-Cells were totally ignored by a large percentage of those who took numerous biology classes
It’s just appalling.
Anyway they will cling even more ferociously to the Covid mandate psyop, and no amount of pure factual evidence will sway them. Seriously!
That’s my current observation ….. and I won’t be changing it anytime soon after what I’ve seen with my own eyes and heard with my own ears.
It’s absolutely inconceivable to me that RFK Jr would get a large percentage of liberals or progressives or marxists to ever vote for him.
You’ve got a good point about the liberal’s opinions of “anti-vaxers” in CA anyway, which is an impediment to RFKJr’s campaign. They still drive around alone in their cars with their masks on & get every “booster” that comes out. They were anxiously awaiting the release of the latest vaccine. The hatred that I’ve had to listen to re anyone who refused to vaccinate was unreal. They thought all the people who lost their jobs deserved it and they are especially angry with Christians who managed to secure religious exemptions. (A lot of these were denied here) Even young adults dropping dead of heart attacks all around us who had no prior health issues hasn’t given them pause to reflect on their position regarding this matter. Physicians are in on the dishonesty and come up with all kinds of reasons to explain the sudden death, like “lifestyle issues” because a person had slightly elevated cholesterol or was overweight,even though prior labs never raised red flags. Encourage your friends to get autopsies for their loved ones, but in CA you’re NEVER going to hear anyone blame the vaccine for the recent epidemic of young people suddenly dropping dead or the increase in heart disease among this population.
RFK is NOT presidential material.
His voice is distracting.
Everybody is going to want to know what’s wrong with him.
Hard to concentrate on what he’s saying.
He’s not an effective communicator.
He will not be the one running against Trump.
Governor Newsom Is a democrat’s Golden Boy.
High crime, gas prices, rigged elections and drag queens.
I agree with you on the vax issue and Trump – he DOES need to acknowledge the vax was crap and explain why he allowed warp speed to advance & pass via bad info from backstabbing advisors then apologize and say he is far better prepared now for the deep state rats who will attempt to infiltrate his cabinet again and wreak havoc. That would do it for me and everyone like me out there who questions this one single but HUGE issue with Trump – as it almost enslaved all of us and may end up killing most of us in the coming years. Tough to vote for someone who made such a grave mistake – but an apology and a lesson learned would do it. I’d be solidly in his camp again.
Kennedy could be an intelligence asset – his daughter WAS in the CIA and he has stated this several times. But if he’s not an intelligence asset, he might want their heads on a platter since they killed his uncle and father. We all have to remember – blood is thicker than water. There are double agents who end up sinking organizations and entire countries when they decide to take a side. Issue here is then this: Is Kennedy really an intelligence asset and if so and he takes power would he turn do their bidding and destroy the country or turn on them and save the country given the known assassination risks involved with that.
If things could only be transparent – decisions would be so much easier.
It begs the question if there are any old time Democrats that will support RFK, jr. And the very young Democrats who are sick of the Walking Dead that run the DNC.
Slick Newsom is DOA. A moral corpse parachuted in, sans legitimacy.
newsom is definitely NOT DOA. short of an outright revolution, he is going to be installed as president with a lot more plausibility covering their theft than Biden had.
but not to worry, there’s always 2026…. which is another way of saying we will consent to be governed. again.
‘Plausibility’? Rich Baris polled Newsom. He said that quite frankly it was a waste of money to poll him.
A San Francisco elitist who wears hair gel and looks and acts like Patrick Bateman is just not going to win the Rust Belt. It just won’t happen. People forget why they went with Biden in the first place – because they could sell him as a moderate.
indeed we are all just guessing. but i would point out what has happened so many times when people said “that could/would/will never happen”….
Yes, we don’t what’s going to happen, but it’s my belief that none of the California Democrats could ever win outside of California. Kamala couldn’t even make it to Iowa, and she was supposed to be Obama 2.0. None of the others (Bateman, Pelosi, the late and much unlamented Feinstein) have even tried to get elected for anything outside of California
Your Newsom contingent is your ‘blue no matter who’ contingent. He’s never going to connect with working class voters.
Newsom comes across as the other side of the Mitt Romney Two-Face coin. I’m not sure what the LIV take on California is these days….whether they perceive the homeless addict pooping on the street as the new state bird.
You make a good point about old-school Dem’s supporting a Kennedy but Newsom is not DOA. The Left will vote for a corpse ffs. He’d get way more support than Biden.
Wrong.
Biden has the strongest level of support among the Democrat base. Why? Because he has incumbent advantage, because he still has people daft enough to think he’s a moderate and because all the Democrats who aren’t happy with him are going to come to Jesus and vote for him once they realize no better candidate is going to emerge from the wilderness
Newsom
This is exactly why the Biden campaign has tried to close out the competition and turn the Democrat primary into an anointment. They don’t want a 2016 situation where disgruntled Bernie supporters either stayed home or actually went and voted for Trump over Hillary.
I totally agree. I still think Biden will be the nominee. Every other option the Democrats have is even worse. Also I’d like people to explain how the Democrats will justify to their race obsessed voters that they are going to skip over their black/female vice president for a rich white guy governor.
Does it really matter who the actual voters actually vote for?
2020 should have taught us that the Globalists are willing to do anything it takes to install their own candidate.
LOL, I’m waiting for someone in CA to nominate Diane Feinstein for POTUS. We might laugh, but stranger things have been happening here.
I could not respond yesterday, my brain needed time to think through the ramifications.
I can’t shake the feeling that our country died yesterday. I am normally an optimist, but all I can see is death coming. I’m struggling today with hope for the future.
I only see two options ahead: civil war, or the completion of the Democrat Fascist Totalitarian government that begins the purge of all conservatives and begins persecuting Christians.
I believe we are in the End Times, and it’s only going to get worse. Try as I may, I just don’t see America in End Times prophecy (unless we are mystery Babylon).
I’m not giving up, God is in control, and His Will will be done. Even if it’s not the outcome I might prefer.
Pray without ceasing. Study the Word. Get right with God. Spread the Good News about His Son to anyone who will listen. Prepare to give your life as a martyr, so that when all fails, you still stand.
Sundance, whatever the future holds, I’m so thankful for you. You are a godly warrior and He has blessed you with the ability to see what others can not, to connect the seemingly disparate dots, and to illuminate the Truth.
Fellow Treepers, it has been an honor to know you, no matter what comes.
the republic ceased to exist in November 2020. all that has followed is the waffling and indecision of the people whether to accept it or restore it.
Actually our Republic died prior to that….some of us woke up in early 2020. Most still can’t accept it, even here at the TH
We have the True God
We have Trump
We have each other
I like our odds my dear Joy Galt!
Be still and know that I am God… Psalm 42:10
“I believe we are in the End Times, and it’s only going to get worse.”
^^^THIS^^^
Hold fast to your joy, which is your hope in Jesus Christ.
The world is not our home, and the only riches you can take with you when you die are the souls of those you influenced to accept Christ.
Rejoice, for your redemption draws nigh!
❤️
I stumbled to The Tree House hunting for truth in 2016. I can honestly say, I have noticed a change in Sundances messages lately. He is light years ahead of anyone. My prayers 🙏 and ❤ love go out to him. It has got to be a heavy load he is carrying. He has my unwavering gratitude….
Our republic ended on 11/3/2020. The date of the coup!
God this depressing. Hubby strongly believes the deep state won’t want Newsome bc he won’t be controllable? 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ I have no idea, the big thing with RFJ is that he fully supports trans agenda & that is really pissing people off. Oh and he’s a climate change but too.
Not Controllable ? You’re kidding right ? He is Nancy P.’s Relative / nephew whatever by marriage whatever/ Why do you think Nancy P. Is running again ? She wants to be there for President Newsom’s first State of the Union , hopefully sitting behind him in her rightful place (sarcasm) . Slo Joe is being readied for the lame duck retirement home ( he just hasn’t been told yet – he will get one of those little cheat -sheet note cards pretty soon though )
But don’t worry about RFK’s other wacky liberal positions or his messy personal life ( scorned 2nd wife committed suicide ) – you won’t hear about it from the MSM – will be all about the Kennedy tragic legacy and COvid /anti Vax – the former for nostalgia thinking voters and the latter for the Libertarian quasi MAGAs —He can’t win of course – designed to be a spoiler in the PDJT /Newsom race – insurance in case the “MOF” can’t do the job …
MOF?
‘Margin of Fraud” – replaces the old “MOE” Margin of Error term that the Pollsters used to use back in the day (sarcasm )
he does not have to be “controllable” if he is a deeply aligned ideologue. which he is
Great analysis.
A similar op has been the celebration/denigration of various partners/enemies.
We must support Assad to fight al-Qaeda.
Shift!
We must support al-Qaeda to topple Assad.
We must support Kadafy to fight al-Qaeda.
Shift!
We must support al-Qaeda to topple Kadafy.
Peace, love, justice–we must accept Russia as a global partner to avoid nuclear annihilation. Nuclear war is unwinnable.
Shift!
War, hate, annihilate–we must destroy Russia–nuclear war is totally cool and winnable.
Elon Musk is a genius, savior of justice, deliverer of sacred EVs. Worship his genius.
Shift!
Elon Musk is a right-wing tool. Enabler of hatred. Destroy him personally and professionally.
Etc.
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Dyed in the wool fourth generation Democrat here up until 2008 and Obama happened! Super conservative Republican Trump twice voter now! RFK jr is a die hard Democrat who happens to have Kennedy for a last name. So what!! He’s still a liberal Democrat people! Come on Man!! No way in Hell am I voting for another liberal Democrat. That’s why we are in this mess today because of a liberal Democrat. I want my country to be saved. Donald Trump is the only way out of this take down of our once proud Republic. It sure as Hell will not be saved by putting another damn liberal Democrat back in office. Nope no way in Hell!! God helps those who help themselves! TRUMP 2024!!
Serena,
Welcome!
Once upon a time, I got off work at WalMart and discovered that the Dukakis sticker had been peeled off/stolen from the little black rubber bumper of my Toyota Tercel hatchback (in Plano, Texas).
I still laugh about that.
Now, I am super conservative and on board for TRUMP 2024!
This makes sense. Notice now that more than one poll shows Trump beating Biden that RFK Jr. announces his third party run. I also expect an astroturfed, Democrat funded libertarian candidate to run to siphon off votes from Trump.
there is also the prospect of the “no labels” dummies.
every libertarian that has run in my lifetime has been genuine, if not boring as all get out – they are not “democrat funded” and all it would have taken over the years to keep from “siphoning” off GOP votes would have been for them to forcefully advocate for individual liberty and rights. the GOP have failed year after year at that, choosing instead the DeSantis path of trotting out woke issues every so often to get people angry, with no substance behind any of it.
its a shame we still cling to the two party system that has brought us to our collapse.
Bill Weld (Uniparty MA) ran in 2016 as a Libertarian VP, along with Gary Johnson to try to siphon off votes from Trump. Weld is a Deep Stater extraordinaire…Harvard, Oxford, DOJ, House committee lawyer, buddy of Mitt, nominated by Clinton to be ambassador etc.
He switched back to Republican in 2020 and tried to run against Trump. In March 2020 (interesting timing) he dropped out and endorsed Biden.
Weld’s a credentialed upper-class twit, same mold as Robert Mueller, George W. and George H. W. Bush, John Forbes Kerry . . . I’ll quit now as this list is making my tushi tired! The prep schools these guys attended are now being run by “woke” female heads and are filled with reasonably smart, rich Asian students, pushing aside the tired old WASPs’ kids in their bid to get into the Ivy League. Shouldn’t be hard as the new President of Harvard is a Haitian-background woman, married to a white guy (sorta like newest SCOTUS Ketanji Brown Jackson, also Harvard) chosen last year by a search committee headed by Penny Pritzker. Ms. Pritzker’s brother is the horrible Governor of IL. She was Obama’s Sec’y of Commerce (also a major financial backer). Just this week President Biden has selected her to go to Ukraine to straighten out their economy, assisted by Sec’y of State Anthony Blinken. Oy vey. You can’t make this stuff up.
I read somewhere that Pritzker’s other brother, now known as Jennifer, and formerly known as James, is the only trans billionaire and a huge donor to the cause.
Polls are meaningless when we don’t have honest elections.
One wonders about all the ideas that are being conjured to defeat any candidate that runs
against the DNC candidate. We must surrender to the Most High and be righteous people.
His most Holy Will be done.
I’d never, ever vote for RFKjr over Trump, and I kind of like some of what he’s done, but DJT has done 1000X more.
RFK hopes that no one looks up the cra-cra of his past. There’s plenty to be found.
He would have the entire country on water restrictions,
as the EPA would be at your door to inspect your water sprinkler.
It would be Biblical! He is just another totalitarian.
Yes, RFK jr is a total climate NAZI. He has stated on camera to the press ” Climate Deniers deserve Three hots and a cot”
It is odd that Kennedy can be so anti vax and yet not have the discernment to see the same people at work in the global warming hoax.
Truth seekers ususally do not limit themselves to one topic.
And not consistent on the vax and the shamdemic as well.
No, Trump all the way! RFK Jr, other than children’s health, is wrong on climate change and the economy!
As I said here recently, Trump damned well better take the same Big Pharma stance as RFK Jr. very publicly which will prevent RFK Jr. theft of indie votes from him since 99.9% of voters will have forgotten this:
Trump Names Vaccination Skeptic RFK Jr. To Vaccine Safety Commission
JANUARY 10, 2017
https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/robert-f-kennedy-jr-rfk-vaccine-safety-commission-donald-trump/
Sometimes they slip up
https://abc7.com/robert-kennedy-jr-man-arrested-adrian-paul-aispuro-democratic-campaign-event-los-angeles/13791311/
Sundance,
They have tried him for everything that they can think of.
At this point, Trump has been martyred.
What they have not figured in is the degree that sensible people feel threatened by
the weaponization of our courts. Especially the black community.
When blacks throw their support behind Trump, it will screw up their math.
Of course, RFK loves, loves, loves to talk about having poor people over for dinner
at his mansion.
Loves, even more, to talk about his daddy’s marching with civil rights leaders, etc.
But then, more charges against Trump.
Now, Trump is courting the UAW.
This is going to be difficult for *them* to keep up with the math.
It was reported that, ironically, RFK Jr’s wife Cheryl Hines would NOT allow party guests into their home unless they were “vaccinated.” That pretty much negated his “anti-vax” stance, wouldn’t you say?
Ya think?
I first heard of RFKs potential run from Steve Kirsch who announced he was forming a PAC. It seemed odd that Kirsch who came out of nowhere in 2021 when he appeared on The Dark Horse podcast would push for Kennedy. Next up was the Malone Doctrine pushed by Ed Dowd. All these guys connected to a ‘novel virus’ are now on the Kennedy campaign. All part of the same op. Agree, this looks like the stop Trump card.
This is an important set of data points.
Dowd (Wall Street ) and Kirsch (Silicon Valley) both pitched in and did yeoman’s work on the death jabs, and they have garnered a very wide following because of those efforts. So there is a grounding in the Traumatized Truth.
Both are now leading the way on organizing for Jr.
I really hate to live in a world view in which you have to be this cynical, but here we are – the odds the three of them (and add in ?? Ethical Skeptic, a Gnostic) coordinated to produce something that looks like a convergence of grassroots support for Jr. is somewhere above zero. I don’t know whether it is above 50 percent. Fog of psy op war.
To get a key part of the analysis of who and what are behind this independent run move, look hard at who exactly is providing monetary and loud voice support. It isn’t the Sea Island crowd, it is the newer kids in the block. Is Jr. largely a Silicon Valley / West Coast faction play at the big brass ring?
Again, pardon the cynicism, but trillions are at stake.
Won’t get fooled again.
That’s the goal in any event.
Two more excellent data points. Thank you.
As long as there is mail in ballots and computer tabulating this is all kabuki theatre.
RFK did a 3 hour show on Joe Rogan. He comes off extremely smart, and reasonable-a good choice for the state of our country. But you have to ask yourself why Joe Rogan has been allowed to exist on a leftist channel like Spotify. The only answer can be to hoodwink the masses into following Rogan’s lead. Remember Rogan didn’t get the vax and took ivermectin, yet unlike Peter McCullough and others Rogan still has a very large show and is raking in the $$$$$. He’s got to be part of the charade. So, yes I agree, RFK Jr is just part of the psyop.
Or, Spotify doesn’t want to kill their Golden Goose.
Kennedy ain’t going to try and dismantle the criminal government cabal. President Trump is the only candidate with the courage , stamina and optimism to try.
No “elected” official will ever do this.
This is more proof that Newsom will be the nominee. If they stuck with Biden then they’d lose a bunch of moderate Dem’s to RFK. Those Dem’s would most likely vote Gavin.
In what universe would a Californian Democrat keep the moderates in the party?
I agree. No one has even begun to go after Newsom’s record. He has destroyed California with the help of Aunt Nancy and the elites of this state. He has no record of success and he puts himself above the masses.
These people get power and destroy all in their path, as they scatter flowers and blow kisses to those who follow them.
This is what I thought about RFK from the start. He’s running to take votes away from Trump. And I think he might be successful.
I suspect that’s why he is now taking a tough stance on immigration (an R candidate should point out Uncle Ted’s role in creating the current mess).
Tough on immigration, tough on Big Pharma/Vax.
Pull the Republicans who criticize Trump on the vax.
Many Treepers have wondered about a Trump/Kennedy ticket. Is this possible or even a good thing?
No.
No.
Kennedy has already stated he will not run as Trump VP.
Kennedy hates Trump why do you think he is running.
Retired Magistrate here: If GOD wants President Trump to be president again, he will be. It will take a miracle; however, GOD, who created the heavens, earth and man places people in positions of power and removes them at HIS will.
President Trump is still here for a reason; I do not believe that GOD is done with him yet. If President Trump wins the election then all the glory goes to GOD, because without the intervention of GOD it would have been impossible.
Ephesians 6:12
Retired Magistrate here: Yes, I agree. We truly are in a battle of good vs. evil. We all need to put on the full armor of GOD.
“ It will take a miracle”
The Las Vegas odds makers Believe Trump will be the next president.
Their predictions have nothing to do with Miracles or God.
President Trump will be the next president because of the will of the people.
And no God fearing person gives a damn what the Las Vegas oddsmakers say or ‘predict’!
And the ‘will’ of the people, any people, are always enhanced by the Almighty of they pray for deliverance with sincerity.
By the tone of your comment, it appears you put very little faith in God. Or even believe in Him.
Am I correct?
The idea that rfk is going to knowingly aid the people who killed his uncle and his father would put him amongst the sickest and most insanely ambitious, evil men who ever lived. To unknowingly aid them wild make him among the most stupid and niave. My crystal ball is broken so I’ll just wait and see. In the mean time his pedigree helps wake up some, not too different from the way people like Russell Brand reaches certain previously unreachable groups.
An ambulance chasing lawyer will take money from anyone.
I’m sure RFK could have made a lot more money in a million different ways that would have made him a lot more popular amongst the Democrats. If he played ball he would have held cabinet positions long ago. Among Democrats RFK’s son, JFKs nephew is a valuable commodity. Fighting big pharmaceutical companies and industrial polluters is bad for donations
I think SD makes a lot of great points here. I don’t necessarily agree 100% with all of them but respect this opinion/ hypothesis.
Wonder if SD thinks Romney or Manchin is going to run as ‘No Lables Party’ now with this announcement? Could be another curveball.
I see the concerns with RFK as IND. All comes back to ballots though and the RNC has purposely not set up infrastructure to screw Trump then blame him as ‘candidate quality’, just like 2022 mid terms.
He is a Kennedy. Reason enough to never believe a word he says, or to trust him with power over anything at all. I knew all along that Sundance would bring this out about the new splitter strategy, when the time was right.
How very illuminating to see the number of people in this magnificent tree whom are spewing the Kennedy support lines.
Fed Fed Fed Fed Fed Fed Fed…
Sundance, Do not forget the group of older boomers and their WWII parents who are still alive. As they and we still remember the warmth felt when Camelot existed in the JFK White House. I remember Camelot and how the nation felt at that time in the early 60s. I can see them going to RFK Jr.
Yes, the Kennedy myth (hello Hollywood and Mockingbird media) was very successful and it lingers, not only for a generation of Catholics who are in their nostalgic years, but as a pass down myth to their sons and daughters.
People who want to be fooled by it . . . Will be.
On the other hand, note the efforts over the last two decades to insert into the public mind all of JFK’s personal failings, including many, many details of his adulteries, including bedding a young White House intern/employee upstairs where Jackie and he slept, when Jackie was out.
That looks like an attempt to smear the dead in the event the truth really emerges about the assassination. Similar to Russell Brand, the sexual antics are only splattered across the headlines when the move is against the DS.
This is beginning to look as though factions are fighting factions. On the whole, having the enemy fall to infighting is probably good for MAGA.
This 👆👆👆
My dad was a proud Irish Catholic who loved President Kennedy. He passed away just a few months after the assassination.
I remember well the newsstands where every other magazine had Jackie on the cover, and the baby they lost and little Caroline and John-John.
And I was in 6th grade on Nov. 22, 1963.
However, I have grown up and lived and learned. I know it was not the Camelot they portrayed, but that it was still a tragedy when it ended. I am an informed adult and, although not right about everything, I am a lot more aware of reality than when I was younger.
Funny, I thought most people go through that kind of transition.
If nothing else, he’s causing them to question many of their long held assumptions and it’s exactly among hard to reach groups like the wealthy and influential Silent Gen who vote faithfully. It’s a start. Not many other people I can think of could ever reach them once his cousin nosedived into Narragansett bay.
as slick as Newsom is I think Kennedy would beat him in a debat…probably won’t happen….Kennedy is a black swan event I think.
Why is everyone here so enamored with Newsom? He comes across to me as a pretty boy imbecile. Look I know people hate Ron Desantis now, but just because Newsom trolls Desantis doesn’t make Newsom a genius.
Could be wrong, but I think Biden being old and senile and newsome being a condescending jerk cancel each other out.
Elsewhere I posited that Gavin Newsome could appoint Kamala Harris to replace DiFi. Then Joe Biden could appoint Gavin Newsome as VP. Then the Republicans could impeach Biden in the House, and the Dems in the Senate could help convict him.
Presto-digito, president Gavin Newsome.
Think about it. It relieves the Democrats of the embarrassment known as Kamala Harris. Why would she go along? Maybe she knows she is an embarrassment and would welcome the graceful exit option. Maybe Willie Brown has video and audio and some senior Democrats show them to her and tell her to take one for the team. Or else.
Why would Joe Biden appoint Newsome? He might believe that he is invincible and he would never be convicted in the Senate if impeached. The Dem leadership might even be telling him that. He might think that having a capable VP would add to his approval ratings. He might think that Gavin Newsome could actually get things done that Harris hasn’t.
Why would the Dems in the Senate convict Joe Biden in an impeachment trial? First, it would rid them of the embarrassment that is Joe Biden. Second, they could look non-partisan in doing so. They can pretend they knew nothing of Joe’s corruption until presented with the evidence that they will say shocked them. Finally, they get Gavin Newsome as their presidential candidate, the only one who might beat Trump.
Flame away.
“RFK Jr. running as an independent, is part of that op.”
Yup, he has always been the fall back splinter strategy of the COW-coup-d’état” against President Trump.
“w” ’s team blew the primary splinter strategy of using DeXX as their replacement to President Trump.
The “COW’s-leave-behinds in the the DOJ blew their “indictment, indictment, indictment, indictment plus” attack plan against President Trump.
Penceeeee and pee-low-ski blew their J6 MAGA prosecution plan to drive away the MAGA supporters from President Trump.
Yup, it must not make RFK Jr feel great to be scrapped out of the bottom-of-the-barrel by the COW-coup-d’état to try to save the whole treasonous lot of them from the force of justice that President Trump has in store for them.
President Trump will love having another target for his master level “rope-a-dope” skills to be trained on…..hillary, crooked biden, DeXX and the other GOPe primary dwarfs are getting old.
“Let’s go Brandon and the COW-coup-d’état!”
note: COW, the acronym for “clinton / o-bummer / w”
How is the IC op ran by the bureaucratic administrative Deep State that Sundance described and has previously backed up with his multiple exposes of the DS/IC Fourth Branch of Government, who has control of all government affairs, controlled by Clinton, Obama & W exactly?
Are you deflecting away eyes off of IC controlled operations and machinations?
Has it ever occurred to you that Molly Ball, who has worked for a number of leftist publications and now Murdoch owned WSJ, is a deflection operator used to convince the populace not to look into the affairs and machinations of the IC by pointing the blame to a bunch of politicians that have CIA roots?
W – daddy was CIA director;
Clinton – worked with daddy Bush and CIA on the cocaine smuggling operation in Mena, AK during Iran-Contra;
Obama – CIA construct; mysterious background, 1 grandparent definitely CIA, mother suspected CIA asset.
Just sayin’!
Black Knight,
Thanks for your comment.
The two PsyOps are one and the same.
The ICs running the PsyOps over seas and here in the USA are just part of the “leave-behinds” from the quarter century of the COW administrations … almost a half of a century if you allow for papa bush.
The three COW crime families make up the contemporary American mafia.
Think in terms of Al Capone ….. he wasn’t that smart but he commanded a large army of street thugs and lawyers and judges and policemen who enforced his rules. The 3 dons have the federal government as their enforcers, financiers, etc. President Trump is a threat to their modus operandi, that is why they are running scared …. the C,O and W are being exposed.
Thanks again for your comment.
We are all describing the same treasonous traitors. The bad buys try to throw out “boogeymen” to try to avoid detection and prosecution. By following Occam’s razor principle, it eliminates the chaff that is being thrown out.
“Let’s go Brandon and the COW-coup-d’état!”
The COW is the chaff to deflect from the DS/IC.
The DS/IC have been involved since at least 1963.
They were involved with the Kennedy assassinations, MLK and the Nixon downfall. Upwards of 9 CIA operatives were on the Watergate scandal.
David Rockefeller was another plant behind Gerald Ford, who also had attempts on his life, shades of Reagan/Bush.
Clinton was not even around in those years.
Obama was an unknown until the late 1990s at earliest.
And you think and are trying to convince us that these people are in control of decades old bureaucrat dynasties? Come on, man.
Not even possible.
Using Occam’s Razor principle and the continued evidence supplied by Sundance and others and the simple logical conclusion derived from those known facts, is that IT WAS AND IS THE DS/IC COMMUNITY THAT CONDUCTED AND IS CONTINUING TO CONDUCT THE COUP!!
All other explanations are defection from this very fact.
And Molly Ball is a known leftist!
Black Knight,
We will just have to leave you with your manipulated Overton Window “images.”
Happy viewing.
Have a great MAGA Saturday.
“Let’s go Brandon and the the COW-coup-d’état!”
A splitter harms the highest polling candidate, not the lowest polling ones.
SD is right on as usual.
RFK earned his bucks chasing ambulances …… Taking advantage of victims to pillage corporations.
Can you say shyster lawyer? I can.
Bush was polling terribly going into the 1992 election, so much so that they were actually afraid he was going to lose the New Hampshire primary to Pat Buchanan
Taft lost all but two open primary contests that actually went to the voters, against Roosevelt
The point of a spoiler candidate might be to scuff up the highest polling candidate but it doesn’t always work that way. Look at Evan McMullin. He put himself on the ballot in Utah to prevent Trump from winning the state and thus, potentially, denying him an electoral college win. What happened instead was that he took away a lot of votes from Hillary, to the point where Hillary was lucky to come second in Utah
Mcmuffin had zero credibility, was too obviously DS, and wasn’t (ahem) a Kennedy.
Actually Bush poll numbers took a dive after Perot announced. While that changed slightly up for Bush in November….by that time the total impact of Perot as a splitter is harder to calculate. Perot took 14% however Clinton won with only 43% of the vote.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/110548/gallup-presidential-election-trialheat-trends-19362004.aspx#4
So if we do the math and using the National numbers from 2020 which were a record we had 155M ballots cast
84m ballots for Biden & 74m votes for PT
I don’t see PT losing his 74m votes but I do see Biden losing at least 20-25m real votes to RFK Jr.
So what this would mean is they would need to come up with 20-25m more ballots for Biden to offset the shift of votes to RFK meaning we would now set a record on top of the 2020 record of votes/ballots. Almost 180-185m total votes/ballots would be cast.
But there are only 168m registered voters in the US so the left expects us to believe that 110% (185m vs 168m) of the registered voters in America voted?
It just isn’t possible and screams IMO BS.
That is the new problem with RFK Jr. running.
Thanks. You’ve just done the math for “them.”
Excellent analysis. The ‘Never Trumpers’ are a treasonous bunch of losers who want to be spoilers (it’s all they can ever hope to be) RFKjr has a LOT of baggage – He is definitely a Liberal. My take – RFKjr takes much of the suburban ‘Karen vote’,i.e all those soccer Moms driving 8,000 lb SUV’s with BLM garden club signs – they have been a significant part of the Dem vote. Now PDJT doesn’t have to try and win them over. Also, it’s all about battleground states.
I don’t believe that the soccer moms will support JFK, Jr.
Most soccer moms strongly supported all the COVID mandates and expressed supreme confidence in the vaccine and made sure their children were innoculated.
I believe this programmed segment of our population will vote Dem.
But women who have woken up to the obvious charade, the lies and manipulations, the professional psyops….. they will never vote Democrat ever again, just on principle.
Plenty of people who voted for Josef Stolen last time will not vote for any Dim this time. They hate Trump due to TDS so they’ll vote for Kennedy.
Net, assuming he stays alive–no mean feat–Trump loses fewer votes than the Demonrats and squeaks out a win just beyond the margin of fraud.
I must have really missed it. How did the Kennedy narrative originate from the Q Annon folks?
Yes, it would be helpful for SD to clarify this statement.
The Q drops were extremely pro-JFK Sr, very direct about the origins of the CIA assassination, and were very Catholic in general. The slogan WWGIWGA is taken from the ship’s bell on a Kennedy sloop, I believe. The overhead shot of the Kennedy burial site (that makes a sort of Q) was featured. A prayer allegedly said for President Kennedy in the Oval Office was set out. The drops mentioned President Trump’s friendship with JFK Jr., implied that the airplane accident wasn’t an accident, and that this assassination was one of the final straws in President Trump’s decision to run. The drops explicitly denied the conspiracy theory that JFK Jr. is still alive.
But is any of that connected to RFK Jr, especially when the advice was to “follow the wives ” and RFK Jr is a complete failure by that measurement?
I think in general, with the exception of PDJT and (barely) Ronald Reagan, if the DS wants you dead, you die.
JFK Jr. is dead.
RFK Jr. is alive and kicking, despite the fake assassination attempt.
I think it is fair to ask SD to elaborate on his statement, if there is evidence connecting RFK Jr. To the Q op beyond what I have set out.
I’m willing to be convinced, as long as there is evidence and a rigorous analysis.
Pretty sure over in Qtardia… the belief is that JFK Jr is secretly alive. They further believe he will come out of hiding to run with PDJT & save the day (or something like that). 😒 Lol
There was a brief AMA where the question of JFK Jr.’s survival was addressed and the idea that he is alive was explicitly denied.
So, no. That belief does not exist among those who read the drops and take them at (mostly but not entirely) face value, especially when the information conveyed is that direct and, for once, not at all cryptic.
It is interesting that there were perhaps 5 AMA questions ever answered, but that was one of them.
Pre-bunk?
Interestingly, though, the Mockingbird media and other psy ops DID push this “Jr.’s alive!” belief about that (state level, three year long, often open source information based) psy op. Clearly, from your post, with some success at the muddying up.
Why?
Does that muddying up of the JFK Jr. thing now tie in to the RFK Jr. DS push?
Is RFK Jr. his own psy op/double agent?
Who knows.
Well, probably President Trump knows. Let’s see how he reacts to the news.
It seems to me that very little of this discussion takes into account the tsunami of disastrously incriminating evidence regarding the absolute, unvarnished, demon possessed evil that we are fighting to the death and that is just starting to trickle out. “Soon they won’t be able to walk down the street”. In 18 months anyone who supports the Marxist Dem Party OR policies like the execution of unborn humans, the mutilation of innocent children, the hoax that is “climate change”, will be seen as traitors to our country and to our way of life. “We have it all” is not just a campaign slogan.
Is this the same thing they wanted to do with DeSantis?
If I understand this, the deep state et al, do not want Trump to be president.
They want Newsom to be president.
To do this, they are engineering the decision of Kennedy to run as an independent, thinking that people who are unsure about Trump will vote for Kennedy.
Then there will not be enough votes for Trump to win, nor for Kennedy to win.
Newsom will win.
What I am unsure about is, is Kennedy somehow complicit or is he a dupe?
Any win outside of the establishment candidates is a true win for the American people. When people within the establishment begin to attack a candidate, I am much more likely to vote for them.
While most conservatives agree with RFK on vaccines and war issues, his second amendment stance will drive most of them away.
Posting as an independent, because I can not tolerate the repubelican party, there is no way in hell that I will EVER vote for a demoncrat, much less a Kennedy. Or a Bush, come to think on it.
Once a demoncrat always a demoncrat. RFK is bad ju ju. Talks right, but he is anti several constitutional amendments. 2A is a prime example. He’s a gun grabber. Don’t be deceived. If you don’t already have it pray for Discernment for yourself before you vote for the wrong person because the crease in his trousers legs is crisp and pretty.
#1) Ron DeSantis supporters. When RdS drops out, his coalition of support, the Never Trump Republicans, will flow to RFK Jr.
The Never Trump crowd was never going to vote for Trump anyway, so whether they vote for RKF, or the democrat nominee, makes no difference.
#2) Approximately one-third of unregistered, unaffiliated or what we would call “independent” voters. About a third of them.
For this “third”, the likely options will be vote RFK, or don’t vote at all. I don’t see how that hurts Trump.
I think the biggest problem is the likelihood that 20% of Republicans are anti-Trump. Hopefully they will vote RFK rather than Newsome.
Trump needs to take RFKs position on COVID, and don’t ever bring up how great operation warp speed was. Don’t say get the jab and the booster ever again.
It might make us feel better, but admitting those (obvious) mistakes would open a gaping hole in Trump’s armor. I have to believe that his advisors have gamed it out.
I disagree.
Donald Trump isn’t perfect, none of us are, but I firmly predict he will be proven correct on his “safe & effective” comments.
Seriously vindicated!
In the near future we will learn that the shots produced by the Trump Team were not mRNA poison, but some kind of combination of vitamins, ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine .
Why do I believe this?
Number One: Trump never lies.
Number Two: there is absolutely NO way that white hats in the US Military would EVER permit the mass poisoning of the American civilian population.
NO way.
It’s impossible!
The very idea is ridiculous.
At some in the near future we will learn WHY President Trump said they were safe and effective!
Sorry, I know too many people dead and injured for this fantasy about the shots being safe to be true.
100,000 excess deaths in the UK over 85’s , per John Campbell, says that the jabs were, and remain, deadly.
In a war, sometimes you don’t get the option of a pathway with no casualties.
Sorry but this delusional reasoning. Trump ain’t Jesus. Stop setting him on a pedestal.
Cannot unsee the strings. Totally agree in regards to Q…
As SD said rebaseline frame of reference. Know this: If God is for us nothing can defeat us. So next steps: pray for God’s presence to be with us. Pray for wisdom and discernment. Pray to know your part in God’s eternal plan. Pray for courage and resolve. Nothing will be simple or easy, it will be unpleasant and harsh But victory through God is assured.
So, who will vote for RFK Jr?
ANSWER: Two core groups. Nope. One Core Group. College indoctrinated women
Newsome will be Biden on steroids. If the Dems that don’t support what Biden is doing but will support Newsome then the country is truly f*ucked. Might as well start the shooting now. RFK will take more votes from Republicans because the never Trumpers will gladly sacrifice the country, being the sick globalists they are.
I will say this:
1) If Trump wins – we win!
2) If Kennedy wins – we win.
3) If Newsome wins – WE LOSE – OUR COUNTRY!!!
What is being missed is that the Flynn group infiltrated the Q movement and created the Qanon movement. It is the intelligence community Qanon movement pushing the Kennedy narrative. Much deception.
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Explain President Trump’s and Dan Scavino’s clear and open association with Q.
Explain why, if Flynn is a bad actor, Gen Flynn is still in President Trump’s inner circle and President Trump recently, in public, told Gen. Flynn to be rested and ready?
Explain why neither Gen. Flynn nor President Trump, when given the opportunity to “denounce” the Q op, took the opportunity? (“Seems like any group that is against pedophilia is probably good people ” . . .
“No, I don’t know that.”)
I’m pretty sure Gen. Flynn grew up in one of those households that had a crucifix and a picture of Jesus above the mantle and a picture of JFK above the dining room buffet.
I think it is probably going to be very important to keep our Kennedy’s straight.
I believe the Q operation. I think it was infiltrated by intelligence community to sew division and create a false narrative about Q. Basically”anon” narratives get attributed to Q. I believe Flynn was part of the intelligence community infiltration of Q.