Two quick juxtapositions to contemplate:
Just accepting things as they are presented to be, without laying opinion on the table.
♦ Mr. Elon Musk is saying he spent $44 billion to purchase a platform without any prior knowledge the U.S. Dept of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) was operating on the backbone of the communication platform he was purchasing.
Additionally, all due diligence that may have been conducted before the biggest expenditure in the history of social media networks, did not reveal this intelligence community operation, to him, until after the sale was complete.
Everything thereafter is based on this predicate.
♦ Mr. Ron DeSantis is saying he had no idea the apparatus of political constructs was creating a presidential campaign process over a period of two years that would require his ultimate approval and participation, during the period when he genuinely claimed to be running for reelection to be the 2022 Florida Governor.
Everything thereafter is based on this predicate.
Whether you believe these assertions to be true or not is entirely up to you.
However, with these two points in mind, what does that say about the current state of our national pretense?
Expand the discussion. I am very interested in how intellectually honest people view these assertions.

Musk had experience with his satellite internet and certainly knew government was interested. The degree of control over Twitter certainly could have come as a surprise. When Trump was elected, many prayed that God would reveal the corruption in our government agencies. Who knew then that it was that bad?
Desantis on the other hand raised way more from the financial class than any governor needed. Did he really think there were no strings attached? And then he talks about how he went from a 1 point win to a 20 point win without reference to the elimination of so much cheating. Suspicious Cat territory.
The govt wanted satellite internet, electric cars, brain implants and selected Musk to be their front man for these govt enterprises.
Musk asks too many questions or raises a public stink and the IC “has seven ways to Sunday” to straighten his shit out.
Elon has considerably more money than the IC.
Not sure that is true. Consider that the CIA probably self funds through narcotics and weapons to evade oversight.
Cartels. They don’t have unfettered access across our border for both human trafficking and drugs without help.
Elon can also literally flip a switch and all of Ukraine’s internet goes dark.
The IC better know better than to mess with Elon. He’s bigger than they are.
Elon can flip another, different, switch and NASA’s space operations are set back by a decade or more.
I could go on.
Globalists wanted that. They still want that… funding it into the Billions right now…
{ CRISPR – The Great Reset for Human Genes – Eugenics }
Not a far off conclusion, not at all.
I think degree is a pivotal word in Musk’s case.
The current state of our national pretense is: extensive.
The liars, cheats, and thieves are lying.
It appears that there are good people fighting them who are also lying.
Deception can be ethical, but our society has nearly painted itself into a corner with lies, and as a Christian I believe the truth needs to be told.
I believe, perhaps, that Musk did not know to ask; and also that no one at twitter was going to offer to help him understand.
Unfortunately, he made them an offer they could not refuse.
DeMeatBall – well, he’s just a globalist liar.
Who could know the extent of the “meddling” until buying full access?
If powers and principalities are working to end the USA, why not do the same to twitter?
I will not be demoralized; I live in His Kingdom and try to make that my most important reference point.
Have never been on the tweeter, and doubt that I ever will.
Try not to be influenced by others and their opinions, except for Jesus.
“Additionally, all due diligence that may have been conducted before the biggest expenditure in the history of social media networks, did not reveal this intelligence community operation, to him, until after the sale was complete.”
Apparently, not enough diligence.
A government back door to control major social media was exposed way back in 2020.
According to Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai, what is being revealed now by Musk and Taibbi is only a “limited hangout” as it is called in the science of propaganda to make us think ALL has been revealed. Not even close, apparently.
Dr. Ayyadurai went to court over this and the case was SEALED and he was gagged, which he then violated immediately. He informed Musk of this case after Musk’s takeover of Twitter and Musk said, to paraphrase, “Interesting” and then never said another word about it.
Bannon interviews Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai (13:40 long)
5 Apr 2023
https://rumble.com/v2glmtq-dr.-shiva-blasts-musk-conservative-influencers-as-controlled-opposition-in-.html
More:
https://rumble.com/v2gtj3q-dr.-shiva-elon-musks-backdoor-censorship-ecosystem-is-silicon-valleys-fasci.html
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Dr. SHIVA’s Historic First Amendment Lawsuit to Win Back Freedom: First Case in U.S. To Show Government MADE Twitter Silence Political Speech
May 15, 2021
https://vashiva.com/first-amendment-twitter-galvin-lawsuit/
EXCELLENT INFO- thanks for posting!
Has Elon Musk responded to Dr. Shiva about the government’s back door portal to Twitter?
Now therein lies the Truth of the Thing
DeSanctimonious = un “believable” liar…an untrained insurance salesman making a pitch…
Musk = like overused HS locker cologne…kinda wanted it. Got tired of it quickly. He’s so stupid rich…who knows. Shut the bird down. Don’t care. Don’t want that odor any longer. 🤡 world games continue while our country burns. Stupid.
Every Conservative Voice was being shadow banned, censored, or kicked off, and you tell me there was nobody looking into how that happened? Musk knew and everyone inside did too.
Knowing and understanding the extent are two different things.
From ZeroHedge:
“…Matt Taibbi characterized the cozy relationship between the social media network, NGOs and the US government as the “censorship-industrial complex.”
According to Taibbi, the system worked as “a bureaucracy willing to sacrifice factual truth in service of broader narrative objectives,” acting as an insult to the principles of a free press.”
On that point highlighted above, see my essay on page 2 here about Emotions vs. Evidence.
“Broader narrative objectives” = The Communist Globalist Surveillance State Agenda
See:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/elon-musk-says-us-government-had-access-private-twitter-dms
Your posts are usually great. I’ll find on page 2.
Thank you! 🙂
There is simply no way that anyone with a functional brain can believe that Musk didn’t know about the heavy foot of government on Twitters throat. He is of abnormal intelligence and has proven to be an effective manipulator of various industry components that he has chosen to enter and exploit. And why was he buying Twitter in the first place? Because of its overactive censoring mechanism that always coincided with the deep state’s vested interests. Manipulators are accomplished liars. It is good that he unleashed some sunlight on this cesspool but he cut some sort of back room deal with guys who operate the levers of this Orwellian nightmare.
DeSantis is a man in love with his success and now wants to be King. It matters not what the voters want. So the RNC apparatus of candidate selection and promotion sees him as the perfect alternative to their bogeyman, i.e., President Trump. Blinded by fawning sycophancy and the size of those checks, he naturally throws caution to the wind, dis remembers what the hell is really at stake, and plays the hand given to him. He, too, is not a stupid man. No one writes a check unless they can get a reasonable rate of return.
Frankly, for me, the question is not whether or not both men are liars. It’s more about why so many voters fall for this never ending stream of bs.
Because, so far, there’s no alternative.
I might be willing to give Musk the benefit of the doubt that he didn’t know the EXTENT to which Twitter was/is controlled by USG. He certainly knew about public-private partnerships given his other business interests. I believe he has conflicts of interest and may be willing to rationalize away his morality or suspicions to satisfy his interests. He may have some principles, but he’s a fallible human.
On the subject of DeSantis, if he didn’t know then he’s dumb and easily manipulated. Not believable. No way he didn’t know what was going on. If the plan is getting away from him now, it’s because he and his supporters bit off more than they can chew. This will be a nasty fight. No one walks away unscathed.
I’m not sure exactly why I’m willing to be more open to Elon being somewhat duped than Ron. Perhaps because politicians literally produce nothing of value. They only take.
CHEF 👨🍳 BOY RD and
Rocket 🚀 BOY
are BOTH full of the stuff that comes from a anus
I think it is kind of like the 80/20 rule. 80% of what you see and hear are people pretending. 20% is real. It is up to you to figure out which is real and which is pretend. Just don’t lose sight of what is really important. This song from The Innocence Mission helps me remember.
It’s almost like they both are creating a silo of their very own. In these silos, the only information they see is that which they really, really want to believe.
playing stupid
a decepticon game
Do I find it plausible Musk had no idea the extent the government had infiltrated Twitter especially given the pretty short due diligence period he had to complete the transaction? Absolutely. Don’t forget, the buyout had over a dozen co-investors and was structured as an LBO with 13B coming from banks. There were more than a dozen investment groups, including AH Capital Management LLC, which pledged $400 million, and Fidelity Management & Research Company LLC, which pledged more than $300 million in the deal. Either they are all in on it or, if they thought Musk knew and didn’t disclose it, they’d all be suing his arse off right now. Deliberate deception in corporations is not easily discovered as has been shown time and time again. As for DeSantis – you mean he’s a politician? Holy smokes, I’m shocked.
Agree. My business includes M&A diligence so I speak from experience. the focus would have been in the audited financials and customer metrics common to internet business. Thus the “bots” / fake accounts issue was the primary one sighted during Musks attempt to renege on the deal. I’m sure he knew there may have been communications or requests from various agencies to sensor or investigate but I’m confident he was not aware the extent.
I am giving Musk the benefit of the doubt. I remember initially that Twitter was going to REFUSE to let Musk buy it, and then they had a change of heart when it became a possibility that he would take THEM to court for reneging on his offer. And when Twitter decided, okay, let him buy it, there were a lot of questions from Musk regarding “bots.” He wanted to know how many bots were actually on the site, and Twitter kept giving him low-ball figures.
So, essentially, Musk knew there was some “improper’ action on the site, but I doubt he knew the extent of it.
Musk did well by hiring Taibbi and Sellingberg (? spelling) to dig into it.
Regarding RDS, I am very disappointed that he conned his State into believing that he would complete his full 2nd term. And how he is getting away with campaigning around the USA yet not giving up his Governorship makes me think even less of him.
The real question should be, did Twitter disclose it before the sale. It doesn’t matter what Elon thought he knew.
DeSantis is a liar.
Musk….I have no idea as I had little knowledge of him before he bought twitter. He’s a character type of person but I don’t know how honest he really is.
There is no way Musk did not know the extent of the government involvement in Twitter.
Musk was an easy one to figure. Mars? Electric Cars? Government ties?
DeSantis first red flag I always figure. Lawyer? Calling Trump for money? Shuts down his state? Election audit?
Desantis always liked and talked about money. That there says a lot to me. If that is your main concern you’ve got problems.
GREAT SUMMATION SUNDANCE!!!!
Sometimes one just needs it spelled out in black and white….it is right in front of our faces…in our faces!
As to Musk, as controlled opposition: Consider the Deep State reason for this – look like a free speech guy, unblock Repubs/Conservatives, get them back on the platform, and he increases the value of Twitter — and the Deep State can track their enemies! It’s a 2fer.
They already had their enemies, and nobody has looser lips now that the suspicious cat is out of the bag.
I’m more inclined to believe Musk than DeSantis based on how they have been acting throughout the process – Elon – for better or worse, and we can argue the extent to which he has allowed this – has been on the side of transparency – let independent folks (I don’t know if they are journalists or not, and why they were chosen) analyze and produce their findings.
Everything about meatball Ron smells of sneakiness – all that $200M from all kinds of MAGA-hating donors for a slam dunk Florida governorship? and the hiding before the MAL raid, and the mealy-mouthed pronouncements towards what is an obvious gross injustice toward Trump and MAGA – the very voters he wants support from.
Not to mention one is a private business, and the other wants to be a public front of MAGA – the Trumpism without Trump candidate!
We’ll see how DeSantis reacts to the richest man in Florida withholding money from his campaign. Does he double down on anti-woke or find a rock to crawl under?
Exposed now, no difference between GOPe & DNC, elections are & have been controlled for years, printing money/debt is the financing arm of the Cabal, debt is the leg irons of the enslaved, News not news just a daily soap opera for the puppets, wars are planned sides chosen winner approved before the killing starts, today like the past the ruling gang is loosing control. It’s gonna be very different going forward 2024. Trump wins.
Forget the side shows, plan for you and your loved ones future on your own. It’s going to be very different, without Imho DeSantis, he is clueless. Do not know the agenda for Musk, but he does not know till told.
Elon Musk was being forced by a court to follow through upon his purchase of Twitter. People tend to forget that fact.
I think it’s possible Musk did not know about the government’s hooks into Twitter before the sale. I think that could have been hidden from him.
DeSantis is blowing smoke.
Sundance. You are invaluable because your detailed and logic based comments over the last few years have served to awaken we normal Citizens. By awaken I refer to our realization that even though we prefer to ignore evil in order to pursue our lives, evil will not ignore us. I sincerely hope enough of America has been awaken and are wrathful finding the state we are in due to those that have used our governance to enslave.
The operative phrase that comes to my mind is, “I don’t know what to think”.
Beyond the preponderance of the evidence, there is no way for any of us average citizens to really know what is going on.
All we can do is make the best decisions possible given the evidence we believe and stick to our core principles.
I believe it’s *possible* that Musk didn’t realize the full extent of government control/access/censorship just as President Trump didn’t realize the FULL EXTENT of the Deep State, the CCP control of so many, so very very many in so many different government institutions.
President Trump even said later that he knew there was corruption but underestimated the extent of it.
DeSantis? Yeah, he knows. Had he been what he held himself out to be he would have immediately spoken out in Trump’s defense when the Mar-A-Lago raid happened, even better would have been preventing them access in his State, standing on States’ Rights.
Musk had to be aware and purchased Twitter for some other reason – perhaps leverage on various gov’t or individual entities so he could proceed with other projects without their interference.
DeSantis – If he actually didn’t know that, then he disqualified himself for any higher office until he comes of age.
ROUTINE, if you regularly do something, over and over, unless something “jumps out at you” you often don’t notice.
I once (in my mispent youth, not proud of it or bragging) did a burgalry of a “high security area” with armed guards doing a “walk thru” every hour.
I simply (?) quietly walked about 2 steps behind the guard, matching the cadence if his steps, as he unlocked a door, walked thru it and knew from routine it would self close and lock behind him, followed him down a flight of stairs, thru a second locked door, etc.
It was actually “in broad daylight” and I am sure when the missing swag was detected, LEO found it hard to believe he didn’t know.
Point being, Elon has no doubt purchased a great many businesses, and has a routine he follows, and LOTS if things he is “looking for” including the previous owners and current employees perhaps trying to conceal signs of FINANCIAL Malfeasance.
I DO believe its POSSIBLE he was NOT actually LOOKING for signs of Jacks coffee shop, and that high level employees WERE doing everything they could to keep him like a mushroom.
As for RDS, ,…NO. He was being falsely positioned to be the “Americas Governor” alt to Trump candidate, from his initial win onward, and for me its hard to fathom he was so totally staff dependant that he didn’t realise.
In the end, perhaps it comes down, for both to;
either he KNEW, and is complicit, or he DIDN’T know, and so is incompetent.
And then there is not “what did they know, and when did they know it?” but what did they DO, and when did they DO it?
RDS responce to MAL raid and indictments points to willing complicity.
I can’t recall anything that would have motivated our enemy to have Elon buy twatter, and do a ‘controlled release’ all as a psy-op.
Seems to me their efforts to dissuade him from buying were legit, and they have been in mitigating/minimising the damage, ever since.
Just my thinking, ..
Our current national pretense is one gigantic game of pretending. Elon is pretending that he didn’t know and Tucker Carlson will pretended to believe him. My state representative is pretending that there isn’t a 4th branch of unelected bureaucrats employing a fleet of influencers driving “public” opinion.
Fortunately, there exists a minority of us who failed drama class because we can’t pretend. It’s simply not in our DNA. Let’s have faith that we will be heard when the roar of confusion is peaking. Study the Constitution and your Bible. The answers to our important questions are found in these two documents.
All I can say is, if you told a jackass these two stories, he’d kick you.
Seneca, I wish you wouldn’t beat round the bush. Just get to your point 🙂 /s
Could not the basic premise of your argument be extended to Trump, and even reach within the secular debate on the omnipotence of the Almighty himself.
DJT had no idea prior to becoming president that foreign and domestic forces would unite to destroy his presidency. Did not understand/anticipate the degree to which those same forces would go to ensure he was not reelected. Had no foresight on event that would result from his election defeat. Ah! Or is the converse to these statements actually true.
It’s true that most people hear what they want to hear, see what we want to see, but beyond this political Pareidolia I think anyone that has listened with careful attention to Trumps speeches understand that all is not what it appears, that Trump understood the game he was going to play, who the players were and their capabilities, and what the consequences of losing would be.
In the end, in our effort to understand what is real with Trump, Desantis, or whomever, it really does come down to a matter of faith, in my view. Hebrews 11:1 – Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. And I believe those that look out through the eyes of faith can see the hand of God at work in an imperfect DJT.
According to Isaiah 46:10 – Declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’ then even DeSantis acts according to a circumscribed purpose.
In our perception of God, it’s not that we see what we want to see, we believe by faith what is unseen, and therefore see (truth is revealed to us), while those who do not see by faith are blinded to truth and try to limit the reality of God with the narrow prism of human understanding. Take for example:
The omnipotence paradox, the paradox of the stone: “Could God create a stone so heavy that even he could not lift it?” This is a paradoxical question because if God could create something he could not do, then he would not be omnipotent. Similarly, if God was able to lift the stone then that would mean he was unable to create something they could not lift.
And around and round we go!!
God is not a fool to be toyed with or a game to be guessed at.
There is no paradox within God, but there most definitely is within every very finite mind.
We can’t figure out riddles we asked and we deem relevant, while God rules over everything and everyone every second of every day.
Elon The Electrified is owned by Communist China. They told him. This site told him. His lawyers told him ( or they’re not worth squat) . So maybe he’s not as smart as everyone thinks.
{ China Updates its ‘Art of (Hybrid) War’ } May, 2020; *hindsight is 2020*
“In 1999, Qiao Liang, then a senior air force colonel in the People’s Liberation Army, and Wang Xiangsui, another senior colonel, caused a tremendous uproar with the publication of Unrestricted Warfare: China’s Master Plan to Destroy America.
Unrestricted Warfare was essentially the PLA’s manual for asymmetric warfare: an updating of Sun Tzu’s Art of War. At the time of original publication, with China still a long way from its current geopolitical and geo-economic clout…
he argues, it’s a “good thing” for China to engage in the cause of reunification, “but it’s always a bad thing if it’s done at the wrong time. We can only act at the right time. We cannot allow our generation to commit the sin of interrupting the process of the Chinese nation’s renaissance.”
General Qiao counsels, “Don’t think that only territorial sovereignty is linked to the fundamental interests of a nation. Other kinds of sovereignty – economic, financial, defense, food, resources, biological and cultural sovereignty – are all linked to the interests and survival of nations and are components of national sovereignty.”…
In a graphic formulation, General Qiao thinks that, “if we have to dance with the wolves, we should not dance to the rhythm of the US. We should have our own rhythm, and even try to break their rhythm, to minimize its influence. If American power is brandishing its stick, it’s because it has fallen into a trap.”…
Now compare General Qiao’s analysis with the by now obvious geopolitical and geo-economic fact that Beijing will respond tit for tat to any hybrid war tactics deployed by the United States government. The gloves are definitely off….”
{ https://www.chinaownsus.com }
JFK on (‘Hybrid War’)
“… But I do ask every publisher, every editor, and every newsman in the nation to reexamine his own standards, and to recognize the nature of our country’s peril. In time of war, the government and the press have customarily joined in an effort based largely on self-discipline, to prevent unauthorized disclosures to the enemy. In time of “clear and present danger,” the courts have held that even the privileged rights of the First Amendment must yield to the public’s need for national security.
Today no war has been declared–and however fierce the struggle may be, it may never be declared in the traditional fashion. Our way of life is under attack. Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe. The survival of our friends is in danger. And yet no war has been declared, no borders have been crossed by marching troops, no missiles have been fired.
If the press is awaiting a declaration of war before it imposes the self-discipline of combat conditions, then I can only say that no war ever posed a greater threat to our security. If you are awaiting a finding of “clear and present danger,” then I can only say that the danger has never been more clear and its presence has never been more imminent.
It requires a change in outlook, a change in tactics, a change in missions–by the government, by the people, by every businessman or labor leader, and by every newspaper. For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence–on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.
Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.” ~ JFK
My point being… the globalist usurpers are/have been using-to-their-max-benefit ccp’s muscle/influence/tactics/assets/worldview re: conducting this hybrid war surreptitiously for a very long time to overthrow US and everyone on their payroll – directly or indirectly, overtly or covertly – is playing their cog-in-that-machine part. Gen Eisenhower’s smooth transition of power included his warning of the dangerous power of the military-industrial complex (I believe he knew it was just a tool of the Empire of the Cities; how could he not?) before JFK warned us more specifically about the threat-of-infiltration he was in his own White House. He knew why the United Nations was created in the first place – to bring about nation-state sovereignty dissolution & implementing global governance; 2 Dulles bros. involved in both UN creation & JFK’s removal… JFK’s warning/exposuress were too specific to ‘debunk’. So… “dissenter: silenced”.
We’re up to our eyeballs in it now – taking a globalist paycheck is the hallmark of the usurpers’ minions… no matter what form it appears to be in. Follow the money, as always.
Just read other comments and was reminded that we Treepers know a lot that we forget is not necessarily common knowledge.
Am I the only one who has been shocked when someone tells you that they just got their booster? Long after it is clear that the jabs not only don’t do what they claim but are actually quite dangerous?
I often have to remind myself that the obvious isn’t obvious to everyone.
Both predications are incorrect.
I’m not convinced RDS is going to run.
The GOPe uniparty machine is propelling him in that direction, but he’s made some significant mistakes like his “territorial dispute” remark and subsequent backtrack. It’s one thing to be the popular governor of a state where most people love you; it’s quite another to take your show on the road where people are less friendly. His in-ya-face stunt of flying the illegals to Martha’s Vineyard was great theater but that’s all it was. Polls show for what they’re worth) that he’s not gaining traction on the national stage.
If I understand it correctly, the FL legislature still has to pass a law to allow RDS to run for president while serving as governor. If they don’t, I believe that is his escape hatch. He either resigns as gov because his devotion to national duty is so strong (?) or he stays in FL, shielded by FL law. I believe he will choose the latter.
For all the good that Musk has done, he knows how the govt game is played and I can’t believe he didn’t at least suspect how deep the Twitter rabbit hole went. Maybe he didn’t “know” know, but he knew.
In my opinion, as far back as 2020, DeSantis was meant to be the guy to split Republicans from Trump for when they indicted Trump.
On the one hand, jailing Trump would be the ultimate act of the left’s power, on the other hand, the left still wants an escape valve for the right who does not threaten them – hence DeSantis.
In essence, Trump represents the tiny keyhole for the prisoner – he shows us what was and what can be. If the left can close that keyhole forever, they will still need some way to distract us.
Musk’s companies make him the largest government private contractor. Because of that he IMO plays both sides, and is not being forthcoming relating to Twitter. It is possible he knew the government involvement but not the degree of their involvement, but given that his businesses would become worthless if his client, the government, went elsewhere he has a tight rope to walk relating to what he can publicly say about his client. And yes Tesla would not be a financially healthy company without state and federal government subsidies. They survive on selling government invented carbon credits.
As for DeSantis he is a career politician who has spent his life in government. Him saying he had no knowledge of the political apparatus brought into play is dishonest. Tack on the fact that since his re-election he has spent more time being everywhere but Tallahassee, shows what his intent and knowledge has been. He is naive if he thinks the uniparty globalists will protect him, as some are already calling for a pause in supporting DeSantis.
My view on Musk is that he’s known there was government fingers in the Twitter pie all along. He’s been in bed with the bureaucrats ever sense he had ideas about electric cars and space travel. I’m just not sure he was aware of how deep the deep state is embedded in social media platforms and to the extent they would exploit their position. Many people have come to dislike Musk and not trust him. My take is that with the amount of disclosures he’s provided us, he’s become as much, if not more, a thorn in the side of the deep state as he’s become with us.
As for DeSantis, he’s a typical governor. It’s been my observation that no person who attains high office remains satisfied with their position. These politicians are all the same. Just as soon as they’re elected they start dreaming of securing what they think of as even more powerful positions. DeSantis has been pining for the White House sense his very first day as governor. While very few may act on their dream, they all have it.
Who is Elon? When I’m confused about someone, I look to their history, their pattern of operation so to speak to shed light.
Note # 1 His businesses have been heavily financed by the U.S. Government.
“. . . over the years, Musk’s companies — Tesla Motors, SpaceX, and SolarCity — have received billions of dollars from government loans, contracts, tax credits, and subsidies.
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-list-government-subsidies-tesla-billions-spacex-solarcity-2021-12
Note # 2 Thru Tesla, Elon depends on a supportive, conciliatory relationship with China.
He’s receieved billions in funding from our government and a cozy supportive relationship with China
China is one of Tesla’s biggest markets, thanks in large part to support of China’s Communist Party and Mr. Xi. Chinese authorities gave Mr. Musk low-interest loans, cheap land and other incentives for a Shanghai facility that opened in 2019 where Tesla vehicles and battery packs are assembled.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/elon-musk-business-ties-china-create-unease-washington
Elon has publicly praised China and does not criticize them. The above history tells me that Elon Musk’s modus operandi is to build his businesses via close relationships with governments.
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So did Elon know about the U.S. Gov’t residing inside Twitter? My best guess is Elon likely knew or guessed. Either way I don’t think it would bother him given his cozy business history with China and the U.S. gov’t.
Side note: Some other ventures of Elon give me great pause.
1) Neurolink –chip in brain linking humans to AI … Elon is excited about and pushing forward to turn humans into part AI- part human.Elon wants to evolves Humans by linking them to AI computer power.
2) X AI –Elon’s answer to ChapGPT
So what about the U.S. Gov’t inside Twitter? In my view, Elon doesn’t mind it. Historically he built his businesses on close relationships with two authoritarian regimes.
Elon’s actions speak so loudly I can’t hear what he’s saying:
Twitter continues to host the U.S. government on the inside/backbone of the service.
Twitter continues to censor people for political opinion.
He continues to have a cozy relationship with China.
He continues to take massive funds from the U.S. Gov’t
Who is Elon? Not a friend.
I don’t trust anyone, not even me!
Ken Griffith – Wall St type guy, gave $10 million to DeSantis. $5 million to each governor campaign. 2018 is understandable. It was a tight race DeSantis won only on Trump’s endorsement and coat tails. The 2022 election is more problematic. DeSantis raised $134 MILLION vs Charlie Crist $23 million (Open Secrets). It wasn’t ever a close race.
You don’t take $5 million from one guy when you don’t need it unless you’re owned by that guy and others like him. DeSantis may be able to maneuver within a lane but he’s restricted to that lane laid out by his owners.
It’s hard for me to believe that Mr Musk became a wealthy man without knowing everything about the business’s that made him wealthy.
Maybe Mr Musk has just been lucky up until he purchased Twitter.
In my opinion Mr DeSantis is an ambitious politician trying to become President and will say anything to reach his goal. I trust nothing he says .
I’ve been told that I am brutally honest, but I’ve never been accused of being intelligent. But I believe that I am correct on both Mr Musk and MR DeSantis.
Musk built all of his businesses from the nothing. He bought Twitter, a well established business. Big difference.
I have never built a business or bought a business, so i’ll have take your word on that CirclinTheDrain .
Never ran for a political position either.
A few years ago I heard a term I’d never heard before, one that caused me to laugh because it was so ridiculous.
The term? “My truth.”
The woman didn’t say she had a different opinion, or a different take on things due to her worldview, nope, her “truth” was something totally different than THE truth.
So sure was this woman that her truth was the truth that she could have watched a video showing the actual events and she still would have proclaimed it was not her “truth.”
What is that? How did we get to a point where people don’t even know what “truth” is?
Truth is truth and cannot be changed, so I imagine it is the interpretation of the word that’s been bloodied and sodomized beyond recognition.
Before you, Sundance, told me about Jack’s Magic Coffee Shop I never would have imagined all that crap was taking place. Once you told the story, it was as though I’d taken the red pill and could clearly see what was going on. The money part of it was especially a glaring behemeth. A big old honking huge spotlight behemeth.
So for a man who is supposedly a genius to skip by that behemeth many, many times I say, nope, don’t buy the didn’t know part.
As for Rondo, he’s been invited to too many political cocktail parties and has been in the dirt of the Navy JAG office for more than enough time to know when he’s been or being played not to know it. So he’s a dirtball that likes getting his butt scratched, being told he’s a good boy and running after sticks being thrown his way just like any run-o-the-mill dog.
Only Rondo thinks he’s playing us by being coy about getting his butt scratched.
Musk seemed to behave as any large corporate entity expanding his territory through acquisition of distressed businesses/corporations (Twitter) and deciding what portions of said corporations to keep for future profitability and what of the new Twitter acquisition to sell to stop a cash drain on what was retained. Being resisted and opposed by the Twitter hierarchy is believable and the idea that they were not disclosing data is believable in the hostile environment of the Twitter acquisition. So, theories about Musk seeking mind control being laid aside along with other far reaching considerations, I can believe Musk did not know the extent to which Twitter had become a vassal entity of the Swamp Security Apparatus.
DeMeatball is another consideration. He talks a good game at face value but with a closer look he is an oily politician who may tell us one day that our definition of “is” had something to do with the difference between our expectations and his behavior. The citizens of Florida have had a law on the statute books for 20 years previous to DeMeatball permitting forced vaccinations. Many of the citizens have been working to remove this legal way to force vaccinations. DeMeatball had the perfect chance to have the legislature change this in the bill that he did sign into law 11/18/2021. DeMeatball DID NOT take the opportunity to enhance the freedoms of the citizenry of Florida against state government encroachment. Why? He obviously believes in using the power of state government to force citizens to comply with forcing vaccination on people who do not want it. One can only wonder what other forms of force DeMeatball thinks are an appropriate use of government power..?
Let’s face it. Sundance didn’t KNOW Jack’s Coffee Shop was a wholly owned subsidiary of the government. It was a good guess and really the only thing that made sense, but did he KNOW for 100% certain? Probably not.
As to DeSantis, of course he knew nothing. No high up politician ever knows anything. It’s called plausible deniability.
It tells me:
DeSantis is a liar who is trying to cover for his crap polling.
And, with Elon, I can’t decide if he’s a liar or the 4th branch along w/ the former Twit owners, covered their asses well.
It tells me, too many, in this country are naive, gullible, and easily manipulated by current technology and those who use it well- government and its agents.
Words on a website = worthless (everyone lies)
Personal information on every user worldwide and censoring what they say (playing god) obviously worth 44 billion $s
Though I more-so believe Elon may not have known the extent of who and how many were buying the beans to grind at the Magic Coffee Shop, I certainly don’t think he was completely in the dark either. Now, DeSanctimounious? Nah, he speaks with Yuge forked tongue!
Billionaires and politicians are not stupid nor naive. Ruthless? Yes. Honest? ROTFL
Musk has money to burn. He knew something was wrong with Twitter and the way it “sustained” itself.
Why did he buy it? He wants to use it. He was willing to take a loss to get the ugly details of just how bad the situation was, and still is. but, he will use it for HIS benefit at some point.
Ron DeSantis? Trust a politician…. LOL, yeah that is funny right there. He either knows everything in detail or he is a total moron. No in-between.
Donald Trump was a 1-in-a-Trillion long-shot to win. Hillary Clinton thought she had it won….er.. stolen but miscalculated the number of votes she needed to manufacture in the big 5 swing states. That is the only way Trump won. They didn’t make the same mistake twice.
THE DEEP STATE WILL NEVER ALLOW AN OUTSIDER FROM EITHER PARTY TO WIN THE NOMINATION NOR THE PRESIDENCY AGAIN.